1 00:00:01,480 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: Now from our nation's capitol. This is Bloomberg Sound On. 2 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 1: If people think the country is on the wrong track 3 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:12,720 Speaker 1: and are upset, it's usually really bad news to the party. 4 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 1: In college. The Democrats had a very difficult challenge on 5 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:18,600 Speaker 1: their hands when it comes to the mid term Bloomberg 6 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 1: Sound On, Politics, Policy and Perspective from DC's Top Names. 7 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 1: If I think there's a lot of pet up demand 8 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 1: for electing a woman hand, I think could be the 9 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:30,640 Speaker 1: year of the Wolman. I see this demand that he 10 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:33,159 Speaker 1: have today as the baseline for the future, could mean 11 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 1: to our economy is roaring back. Bloomberg Sound On with 12 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 1: Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio from World Headquarters in New York, 13 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 1: where the city's all dolled up for the holidays. Happy 14 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 1: last day of Honka. By the way, the leaders on 15 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 1: Capitol Hill are well aware of the season because they 16 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 1: are running out of time. Senator Chuck Schumer sending a 17 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 1: letter to his caucus today to reiterate his hope his 18 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 1: goal to pass the president Social spending Plan, the Build 19 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:04,959 Speaker 1: Back Better Plan, before Christmas, even as chances of that 20 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 1: happening appear to be fading by the day. But who 21 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 1: knows we have other more pressing issues to manage, defense spending, 22 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 1: debt sealing, the rest. None of this has changed since 23 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 1: we last spoke on Friday. And we're gonna start with 24 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 1: the signature panel in studio today. What a treat. Bloomberg 25 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 1: Politics contributors Jeanie Chanzano and Rick Davis in studio with 26 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 1: their expectations for the rest of the year, and they're 27 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 1: with us for the hour. We'll talk as well with 28 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 1: Bloomberg New York Bureau Chief Shelley Banjo a bit later 29 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 1: about the city's new vaccine mandate. If you heard about this, 30 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:35,319 Speaker 1: it's for private business. Could it be a precedent for 31 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:38,479 Speaker 1: other big cities if it becomes reality? And later our 32 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:42,399 Speaker 1: conversation with New Hampshire Governor Chris Sinunu on vaccine mandates 33 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 1: and his decision to not run for Senate. It's all 34 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 1: coming up on the fastest hour in politics. And thanks 35 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 1: for joining us, Thanks for starting your week with us. 36 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 1: I have to say this is this is an event 37 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 1: for us. We don't do it too often. If you're well, 38 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 1: we don't ever do it. That's why it's an event. 39 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 1: We even took a selfie me Rick Genie, same room. 40 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 1: It all half so welcome to Bloomberg Sound On. I'm 41 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 1: Joe Matthew. Not in Washingtonday, but New York, and we 42 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 1: have an eye on the Capitol. In fact, with the 43 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 1: headline on the terminal, Schumer aims to push Biden economic 44 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 1: bill through before holiday. How's that possible? Aren't they only 45 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:18,360 Speaker 1: scheduled to go through this week? I mean, I realized 46 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 1: the schedule can change. But yes, the Majority leader is 47 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:23,799 Speaker 1: out with a letter. I feel like it's usually the 48 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 1: Pelosi letters we talked about here to all Senate Democrats. Quote. 49 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 1: Now that the House has passed the reconciliation bill, our 50 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 1: goal in the Senators to pass the legislation before Christmas 51 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 1: and get it to the President's desk. Unquote, Rick and Genie. 52 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:39,519 Speaker 1: Great to see Genie. I got to talk to you 53 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 1: a little early on balance of power, so I'll start 54 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 1: with you Rick. This letter, Uh, does this give us 55 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:48,079 Speaker 1: the latest sign that things are not going to happen. 56 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 1: We've talked about defense spending, the debt limit, there are 57 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 1: plans for neither, but Chuck Schumer's writing about the build 58 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 1: back better plan. Yeah, I mean you really wonder what's 59 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 1: the master plan? That's inside of all us, right, Yeah, 60 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 1: bringing in the China Bill into the NDAA that originally 61 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 1: was excluded. Um, you know, trying to find uh time 62 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 1: between now and Christmas to get a vote in a 63 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 1: Senate caucus that he himself doesn't have the votes for. 64 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 1: Uh as if he's going to get some Republicans a 65 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 1: cross over in the aisle and vote with him honestly? Uh? 66 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 1: And why do his Chuck Schumer keep getting fingered by 67 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 1: secret memos? The last one we saw was the one 68 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 1: with Joe Mansion where you know, certain things in the 69 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 1: in the Bill Back Better plan that of course aren't 70 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 1: going to come to fuition if if Schumer has his 71 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 1: way now, but if Mansion does, that's exactly the bill 72 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 1: you're going to vote on. So look, I think that 73 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 1: the idea that they're going to get something done on 74 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: billback Better before Christmas is crazy. You know. Joe Mansion 75 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 1: and Kirsten Cinema have already said it's two job and 76 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 1: I think if you believe one thing in the United 77 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 1: States Senate is those two have been always right g D. 78 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 1: On Friday, we had the chair of the Joint Economic 79 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 1: Committee with us on the program, Don Buyer said two, Yeah, 80 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:07,119 Speaker 1: that's what it's looking like. So it's not like it's 81 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 1: controversial here as more members seem to come to grips 82 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 1: with this idea. So should we read the letter differently 83 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 1: from Chuck Schumer? Is this his way of saying, yeah, look, 84 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 1: I have to put this in a letter, but we're 85 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 1: actually doing the real work right now on the other 86 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 1: more pressing issues, including avoiding a default. You know, when 87 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 1: I first heard about this, I thought, is he saying Christmas? No, 88 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:32,159 Speaker 1: he's saying, you know, um, you know, we're in New York. 89 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:35,159 Speaker 1: So let's just start with the salt deduction, right, And 90 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 1: that's just one of the many areas in which there's 91 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 1: widespread agreement. And Rick mentioned Joe Mansion, Kristen Cinema, but 92 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: let's look at Bernie Sanders. There's so many people who 93 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 1: have issues with this bill. And in the wake of 94 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 1: the abortion case in the Supreme Court, I keep coming 95 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 1: back to the High Amendment with Joe, which Joe Mansion 96 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 1: has said he's very clearly going to stick to his 97 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 1: guns on. So I'm not sure if you know Chuck Schumer, 98 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:04,160 Speaker 1: you know, is just being incredibly optimistic at this point. 99 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 1: But the idea that crazy. I'm gonna be a little 100 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 1: kinder to the senior senator. He you know, God bless 101 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 1: him if he thinks he can do this. But I 102 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 1: don't know anybody I've talked to who thinks that they 103 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:22,280 Speaker 1: could iron out these differences in the next what are 104 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 1: we looking at, you know, week? But if even if 105 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 1: they extend it two weeks, on top of the debt 106 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 1: ceiling and on top of the n D I A 107 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 1: And of course the debt ceiling is something they really 108 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:35,599 Speaker 1: have to address before the build back better. And let's 109 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:38,280 Speaker 1: not forget this is all in the context of rising inflation, 110 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:41,159 Speaker 1: real concern about whether people can have a Christmas and 111 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 1: finish their Honker and get their gifts and all these things, 112 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 1: and that has made many senators feel a bit concerned 113 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:50,599 Speaker 1: about spending this much money. So, you know, he puts 114 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 1: this out there, but if he makes this deadline, I 115 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:56,160 Speaker 1: think many of us would be stunned. Rick, take us 116 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 1: inside Kirsten Cinema's head for a moment. We talked so 117 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 1: much about Joe Manchin. We were fur back to the memo, 118 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 1: which has proven to be a roadmap in a way 119 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 1: for how this whole thing is unfolded or in some 120 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: cases not over the past couple of months. But when 121 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 1: you're talking with your sources on Capitol Hill and Rick 122 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 1: gets to Rick talks to people, they don't talk to 123 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 1: us journalists the same way. And I mean that for real, 124 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 1: what kind of changes is she hoping will be made 125 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 1: before she has the appetite to do this? First of 126 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 1: all US journalists and journalists were in reference to YouTube 127 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 1: not to make I have talking about myself the look. 128 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:31,919 Speaker 1: I think that it's it's a lot simpler than everybody's 129 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 1: making it out to be. Um. Joe Mansion is opposed 130 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:37,040 Speaker 1: to certain things and made it himself very clear on that. 131 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 1: And and his problem is really more on the substance side. Uh. 132 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 1: And and Kirsen Cinema has been very clear about to 133 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 1: pay for us right, she's not gonna go for any 134 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:50,359 Speaker 1: of the taxes that roll back Trump tax cuts. Um. Uh. 135 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 1: Those Trump tax cuts were in place when the economy 136 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:57,280 Speaker 1: of our country was roaring into COVID And why in 137 00:06:57,320 --> 00:06:59,839 Speaker 1: the world, in her opinion, would you ever roll those 138 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:02,480 Speaker 1: tax cuts back when they prove to be effective at 139 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:05,360 Speaker 1: boosting our economy at a time when everyone's talking about 140 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:08,039 Speaker 1: how do we boost our economy. What I think both 141 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 1: of them would agree to is that is that inflation 142 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 1: is not transitory and it will certainly be around for 143 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 1: the mid term elections one year from now. And so 144 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 1: what would we what do we think the impact of 145 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 1: Bill back Better is going to be on inflation? Some 146 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 1: things are not inflationary in in that spending package, some 147 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 1: things maybe, And I think Democrats all included, are going 148 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 1: to be looking at the number one issue in two 149 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 1: is inflation and if they do anything, they need to 150 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 1: find ways of beating that back. And so some of 151 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 1: that can be done through Bill back Better. But to 152 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 1: walk the plank on Bill back Better when it will 153 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 1: be way down the issues list in two and inflation 154 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 1: will be number one by far and away, well, that 155 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 1: says A latching Ethan. Does that mean that the talking 156 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 1: points are going to go out to Democrats like if 157 00:07:56,360 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 1: they haven't already on inflation as as the issue into 158 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 1: twenty two, if you want to save your seat in 159 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 1: the mid terms, you need to start talking about this now. 160 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 1: Or if Democrats already lost that issue, I think they 161 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 1: do need to talk about it. I think those talking 162 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 1: points have gone out. And one thing that surprised me 163 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 1: about this letter was that Democrats have had a lot 164 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 1: of success so far this year. They have spent a 165 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 1: lot of money, They have passed a lot of bills. 166 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 1: If and when, and I I'm going to assume they 167 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 1: do it, they get the n d A pass, they 168 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 1: get the debt ceiling lifted, why not go out and 169 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 1: celebrate those victories as you march yourself into the mid 170 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 1: term election. Why if Chuck would Chuck Schumer put out 171 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 1: that there's another thing on the agenda that they want 172 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 1: to accomplish. If they accomplish it, great, It's like when 173 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 1: they tell you the train is gonna, you know, come 174 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 1: in a half hour, it comes in fifteen minutes, and 175 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 1: you're thrilled. Why not do it that way? That that's right? 176 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 1: But but so this surprised me a bit because they 177 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 1: do have things to run on in the mid term. 178 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:59,080 Speaker 1: They should celebrate what they've done so far and get 179 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 1: home and start talking about that. And of course, to 180 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 1: your and Rick's point, what they're going to be doing 181 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 1: about inflation, which the President has been talking about. Absolutely, 182 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 1: I want to get to the debt limit here. I 183 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 1: do also want to hear from Press Secretary Jen Psaki 184 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 1: if we have her remarks from this because she was 185 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:18,560 Speaker 1: speaking to the broad agenda here in the briefing today 186 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 1: asked about how do you get all this done? I 187 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 1: certainly understand why you're asking. We have many conversations and 188 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 1: briefings between now and Christmas. UM. So we're just encouraged 189 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 1: by Leader Schumer's effort to move this forward, all of 190 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 1: the work happening behind the scenes among staffers, among members 191 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 1: to move this forward and get it done. The schedule 192 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:40,839 Speaker 1: going to change. Rick, You've been in the Senate when 193 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 1: when word came down that you're not going home quite 194 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 1: when you thought you were. Yeah, I mean, nothing is 195 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 1: motivating for compromise like a Christmas alb and so I think, actually, 196 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:53,679 Speaker 1: uh it maybe more what Genie was talking about. I 197 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 1: think there's a chance they can actually wrap these really 198 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 1: important things up that they need to do before they leave. 199 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 1: And and and by the way, I do not include build 200 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 1: back better. These members haven't even seen the bill, so 201 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 1: the death ceiling. I think there's an elegant fixed to 202 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 1: this that that McConnell did eleven years ago, where he 203 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 1: put in a language into a bill that basically said 204 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 1: the president can raise the debt limit in Congress. Uh, 205 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:19,680 Speaker 1: if we don't object, it goes into effect. And and 206 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 1: that's satisfied everybody. At the time we had one of 207 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:24,679 Speaker 1: these impasses similar to this, who's going to do this? 208 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 1: And and the n d A A is the perfect 209 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:29,959 Speaker 1: bill to do that in it's got to move, it's 210 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:33,200 Speaker 1: a high priority. Other than a few rabble rousers, it's 211 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 1: got universal support. It will have votes on your final passage. 212 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 1: And and and so I wouldn't be surprised to see 213 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:43,960 Speaker 1: McConnell returned to a fix that he did eleven years ago. 214 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:46,560 Speaker 1: Have a deal with humor where that goes. They're going 215 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 1: to be a number of things that get treated into 216 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 1: the the n d A A. And that could be 217 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 1: one of them. And and and it would sail through 218 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 1: And then Jennie Democrats are off the hook. You don't 219 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 1: have to do two weeks of business with reconciliation, and 220 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 1: as we discussed, you really don't have to put a 221 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:03,679 Speaker 1: number or or duration on it. Right to your point, Rick, 222 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 1: that would simply let the president do what he's gonna do. See, 223 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 1: we need Rick over there to resolve all of these issues. 224 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 1: And it would be an elegant solution. I think A 225 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:15,200 Speaker 1: big question is does Kevin McCarthy go along with it. 226 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 1: He's getting a lot of push from his members not 227 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:21,839 Speaker 1: to give the Democrats anywhen even when Mitch McConnell has 228 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 1: pushed him to allow this to go through, he's been 229 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 1: noncommittal in the last few days. So it's going to 230 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 1: be interesting to see how Kevin McCarthy responds because he 231 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 1: desperately wants to be speaker. That's where the n d 232 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 1: a A has a certain point of amount of power, 233 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:35,840 Speaker 1: amount of leverage. Though, right, I dare you to vote 234 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 1: against the military, Rick Davis, won't happen. It'll pass. Everybody 235 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 1: like shrug their shoulder and say, why didn't we do 236 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:43,720 Speaker 1: this a long time ago? Wow? Rick and Jennie with 237 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:45,559 Speaker 1: us in person. It's kind of a party. And it's 238 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 1: only Monday, on the fastest hour in politics. Shelley Banjo 239 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:51,200 Speaker 1: is gonna come and next talk to us about this 240 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 1: new proposed vaccine mandate on private business in the city 241 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 1: of New York. It's coming up next. We'll check traffic 242 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 1: and markets to I'm Joe Matthew says Bloomberg. You're listening 243 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 1: to Bloomberg. You sound on with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. 244 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:12,560 Speaker 1: You know you need your vaccine card to get into 245 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 1: a restaurant. I'm reminded that every time I come here, 246 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 1: because we don't do it that way in Washington. Welcome 247 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 1: to Sound On. I'm Joe Matthew Today in New York. 248 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 1: We're actually gonna be here for the balance of the week, 249 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 1: so thanks for being with us. As we as we 250 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 1: learned that there's more common New York City to impose 251 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:30,560 Speaker 1: vaccine mandate on businesses as cases rise. Reading on the 252 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 1: terminal that mayor build a blasia to the city will 253 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:36,680 Speaker 1: become the nation's first to impose this mandate. We actually 254 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 1: heard from Bill to Blasio the day here. He is 255 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 1: this is how we put health in safety first by 256 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 1: ensuring that there is a vaccine mandate that reaches everyone 257 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: universally in the private sector. A lot of folks in 258 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 1: the private sector said to me, they believe in vaccination, 259 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:53,320 Speaker 1: but they're not quite sure how they can do it themselves. Well, 260 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 1: we're gonna do it, okay. Workers starting December would be 261 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 1: impacted by this. They are calling it a preemptive strike. 262 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 1: And we're joined now by in studio Shelley Banjo New 263 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 1: York Bureau Chief joining us here. Rick and Jeannie are 264 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 1: still with us. They're going to hang out with us 265 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:11,320 Speaker 1: for the hour. Shelley, it's great to see you. Thanks 266 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:13,599 Speaker 1: for coming in. It's a pretty big deal here. I 267 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:17,320 Speaker 1: guess the big question I would start with is will 268 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 1: it outlive Mayor Bill a Blasio. It's a good question, 269 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 1: and we don't have all the details yet because he 270 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 1: came out with this mandate this morning, and when we 271 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 1: asked Eric Adams for his comments on at the mayor 272 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 1: elect spokesman, spokesman said, we're going to evaluate when we 273 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 1: get into office, so that's not really a ringing endorsement 274 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 1: of of one of these things. And Adams has come 275 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:44,839 Speaker 1: up pretty strongly for vaccine mandates in the past about 276 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 1: things like worker work, Yeah, exactly for public workers. And 277 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 1: so the question is, well, why not come out also 278 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 1: in support of this this mandate, as you mentioned, we'll 279 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 1: go into effect December. That's just days away from de 280 00:13:57,000 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 1: Blasio stepping down from the mayoralty because of term elements, 281 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 1: so it could be one of the last gasps of 282 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 1: the de Blasi administration. Is it true that the business 283 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 1: community learned about this as we all did when he 284 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 1: spoke there was there were no discussions going on with 285 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 1: local industry. So de Blasi was asked about this at 286 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 1: the press or press conference today and said, yes, I 287 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 1: did consult with people. But then large groups of folks 288 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 1: came out and said no, nobody told us about this, 289 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 1: including Cathy Wilde, who runs a very influential group of 290 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 1: banks and other business businesses in the city, saying, nobody 291 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 1: ever talked to us or consulted with us about it. 292 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 1: And you know, the business community doesn't like surprises, and 293 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 1: they don't like uncertainty, and so what do you get 294 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 1: with this mandate? A surprise coupled with the uncertainty of 295 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 1: do I have to enforce this in a few days? 296 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 1: Wasn't that also the knock at least one of them 297 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 1: that Eric Adams said, you know, you didn't sit down 298 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 1: with the unions, You didn't give people the heads up 299 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 1: on the public works mandates, So this would be kind 300 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 1: of a trend. Sure, I mean, to de Blasio's credit, 301 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 1: you know, none of no vaccine managed to ever be 302 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 1: a surprise anymore at this point, but is detriment, like 303 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 1: why not give people a heads up that this is coming, 304 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 1: especially since you know, you know that people are gonna 305 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 1: have questions and whatnot, And even in today's announcement he 306 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 1: didn't have any other details. If you're going to come 307 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 1: up with something so big and so influential, then why 308 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 1: not come out with the details. Why I announce it now? 309 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 1: Let people you know, why not come out with all 310 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 1: the specifics. I'd love to let Rick and Geenie weigh 311 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 1: in a little bit here. I guess the big question 312 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 1: that I have is if this does become real, if 313 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 1: this is gonna going to go into the new year, 314 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 1: if Eric Adams follows up on this will have become 315 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 1: precedent for other cities. Genie that that that's something New 316 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 1: York has a way of doing, is influencing the rest 317 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 1: of the country, That's right, and I think that's one 318 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 1: of the things that build a Blasio and Shelley knows 319 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 1: as better than I do would hope to do, which 320 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 1: would be to be a leader in this regard. But 321 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you about another leader in New 322 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 1: York with there's our governor Kathy Hokele. Has she come 323 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 1: out and said anything about this mandate, particularly as she's 324 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 1: looking to run for governor and she's got some stringent 325 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 1: competition on the Democratic side for that. Sure. So Hoco 326 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 1: came out today and said that she supports a local decision, 327 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 1: so she didn't come out against it. She just said 328 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 1: I'm going to support and that's kind of her her line. 329 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 1: She did that earlier this month with Erie County County 330 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 1: officials UH state talking about, you know, you can reinstitute 331 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 1: a mask com mandate because that's all local rule, and 332 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 1: I want you guys, you know, to make your own decisions. 333 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 1: But there is the political subtext here. You have do Blasio, 334 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 1: who is probably going to run for governor against Kathy Hokel, 335 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 1: who is definitely going to run for governor. And you know, 336 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 1: this match of who's tougher on COVID is certainly going 337 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 1: to going to come out for de Blasio and people 338 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 1: downstate in New York City being tough on COVID is 339 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 1: a good thing for people up stay, which is Hocal's base. 340 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 1: It might not necessarily be viewed the same way. We're 341 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 1: gonna talk coming up with with the Governor of New Hampshire, 342 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 1: Chris and unw Uh in part about vaccine mandates, because 343 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 1: I've been kind of compelled by his approach. He's actually 344 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:04,719 Speaker 1: not pro or or con when it comes to mandates. 345 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:06,119 Speaker 1: He just doesn't think it should be the purview of 346 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:08,440 Speaker 1: the government that a business should be allowed to do 347 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:11,919 Speaker 1: either go ahead, mandate your employees, your customers, whatever you 348 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 1: do you're the business, or don't do one at all. 349 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:18,439 Speaker 1: But that's not the the decision of government here. What 350 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 1: do you make of that, Rick, when we're talking about 351 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 1: the sort of privacy and legal issues behind all of this. 352 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:25,880 Speaker 1: Could could this stick? Yeah? Not only could it stick, 353 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 1: but I mean it just points out one of these 354 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 1: really really important things we have to take away from 355 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:33,159 Speaker 1: this entire pandemic, which is we've got to shore up 356 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:36,160 Speaker 1: our state and federal and local laws related to big 357 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 1: public health problems like this. I mean, this is going 358 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:41,640 Speaker 1: to be a reoccurring theme in the rest of our 359 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 1: lifetime and generations to come. Uh, this caught us all 360 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 1: by surprise. Nobody had any clue what the rights of 361 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:52,399 Speaker 1: the individual, uh, the employees, either in government or in 362 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:55,919 Speaker 1: the private sector, what rights the government had to institute 363 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 1: these kinds of mandates. And these are all tool kits 364 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:02,440 Speaker 1: to fight a public health pandemic. And so I think 365 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:04,680 Speaker 1: that you're going to see a lot more debate at 366 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:06,920 Speaker 1: the state and local level about what kind of rules 367 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:09,160 Speaker 1: and regulations they need to put in place so they're 368 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 1: not reinventing the wheel every time something like this happens. Shelley, 369 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:14,720 Speaker 1: just last word. You're waiting then for I guess the 370 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:16,479 Speaker 1: end of December to get a final word on this, 371 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 1: but it'll go into a fact December seven that will 372 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:22,120 Speaker 1: probably have some legal action against it, as every other 373 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:24,199 Speaker 1: thing that to Blasio has done back in the New 374 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:26,679 Speaker 1: year exactly, Shelley Banjo. Great to see you, Thanks for 375 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 1: being with us. I'm Joe Matthew. This is Bloomberg broadcasting 376 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 1: live from our nation's capital, Bloomberg to New York, Bloomberg 377 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 1: eleven Frio to Boston, Bloomberg one, O six one to 378 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:44,639 Speaker 1: San Francisco, Bloomberg nine sixty to the country, Serious x 379 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:48,479 Speaker 1: M General one, and around the globe, the Bloomberg Business 380 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:52,959 Speaker 1: app and Bloomberg Radio dot Com. This is Bloomberg Sound 381 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:57,680 Speaker 1: On with Joe Matthew. There's a big surprise in Washington 382 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 1: when Governor Christen new New announced last week from New 383 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:04,160 Speaker 1: Hampshire that he was not running for Senate. It's considered 384 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:07,359 Speaker 1: a shoe in They were practically designing his office for 385 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:10,199 Speaker 1: him in the capital, but not running though he's going 386 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 1: to run for re election instead in the Granite State. 387 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 1: We're going to connect now with the Governor of New Hampshire, 388 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:19,200 Speaker 1: Chris s u Knew as I mentioned making news by 389 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:23,159 Speaker 1: running for reelection his current job, not running for Senate 390 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 1: as many expected. Interviewed him a bit earlier from conquered 391 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:30,680 Speaker 1: New Hampshire with Bloomberg Government's Emily Wilkins and started by 392 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:34,680 Speaker 1: asking Governor sunw what was behind his decision and whether 393 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 1: he thought Washington was broken. I think you have a 394 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:39,880 Speaker 1: lot of personalities down there are that are more focused 395 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 1: on their personalities and the partisanship of it as opposed 396 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 1: to look, we gotta get stuff done right. Thirty million 397 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:47,879 Speaker 1: Americans are expecting and waiting for us to move the 398 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 1: ball forward and get stuff done. And when that doesn't happen, 399 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:54,200 Speaker 1: or it happens, you know, once a month basically, and 400 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 1: this frustration, and I just that I would be incredibly frustrated, 401 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 1: and not only would I be frustrated, but they'll probably 402 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:03,159 Speaker 1: ultimately get pretty frustrated with me because I could be 403 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 1: pretty demanding about accountability and results as I mean, people 404 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 1: are electing and hiring me to do a job, and 405 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 1: so I always feel that obligation to show the results, 406 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 1: show the accountabilities, show where it's work, and show where 407 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 1: it's not working. Sometimes doesn't work, right, That's okay, sure, well, Governor, 408 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:19,640 Speaker 1: you know there is still a Senate race coming up 409 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:23,400 Speaker 1: in New Hampshire. Who would you like to see from 410 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:27,919 Speaker 1: the Republican Party take on Democratic sender Maggie Hassan. Almost 411 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:31,120 Speaker 1: anybody can be Senator Hassen at this point in New Hampshire. 412 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:33,919 Speaker 1: Her poll numbers are that badge. She doesn't appear in 413 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 1: this state and so unfortunately we just haven't had that 414 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:39,359 Speaker 1: right kind of representation. And people in New Hampshire are 415 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 1: very engaged politically, as you know with our first of 416 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 1: the nation primary, are local politics, are town meetings, It 417 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 1: all really can coalesces to a very engaged electorate and 418 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:52,640 Speaker 1: therefore if you're not producing results, they just want somebody new, 419 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 1: and often that is more important than party. So I 420 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:57,360 Speaker 1: think there's a lot of Republicans here that could take 421 00:20:57,359 --> 00:20:59,680 Speaker 1: our and that's another part of my equation. It wasn't 422 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 1: just only Christian new who can beat Senator Hassan, not 423 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:04,920 Speaker 1: at all. I think there's through four decent Republicans. I 424 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:07,399 Speaker 1: think you're gonna have a very robust primary here, and 425 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, I think you're going 426 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:10,359 Speaker 1: to see a Republican sitting in that seat. In about 427 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 1: a year, I'll have to ask you about COVID, Governor. 428 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 1: I know that New Hampshire is one of four states 429 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:17,680 Speaker 1: in the country is seeing the highest increases, the biggest 430 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 1: rises in cases right now. It's something that you referred 431 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 1: to as a very severe winter surge, and this is 432 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:26,120 Speaker 1: starting to bring back some bad memories. We're not even 433 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 1: talking all macron right now. This is delta, right, this 434 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 1: is old fashioned COVID, if we can call it that. 435 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:32,879 Speaker 1: By now, I wonder how concerned you are about the 436 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:34,679 Speaker 1: winter and whether you have the hospital beds to deal 437 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 1: with this. We've been concerned for months, so I've been 438 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:41,680 Speaker 1: predicting the winter search for the last six months. Back 439 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 1: in September, when our numbers were really low, I took 440 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 1: a whole team to Kentucky, for example. We flew to Kentucky, 441 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 1: met with hospitals, met with the governor specifically about how 442 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 1: they were dealing with the surge. Back in the summer, 443 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 1: you saw surges in Florida, Mississippi, Kentucky, all across the country, 444 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:58,159 Speaker 1: knowing it was a bit held off from that um 445 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 1: we had great weather. Folks whore out side, you know, 446 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,360 Speaker 1: we had a really strong summer here across doing them. 447 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 1: But again, given the seasonality of this pandemic, I always 448 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 1: knew that it was going to come. So the good 449 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:11,400 Speaker 1: news is we've prepared. We've looked at flexing our internal 450 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:15,200 Speaker 1: surge capacities within hospitals, how we can fast track licensing 451 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 1: to make sure no one is waiting to become a nurse, 452 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 1: that they're getting streamlined right into the system so they 453 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 1: can work on those floors, making sure A big piece 454 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 1: of this is that individuals who might be in an 455 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 1: emergency room that are waiting for a bed in a 456 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 1: long term care center or a rehab center, they're being 457 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 1: moved out as quickly as possible. And that's one of 458 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:35,679 Speaker 1: the biggest backlogs, if you will, that causes hospitals across 459 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:37,959 Speaker 1: this country to jam up. Folks are waiting to go 460 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:41,479 Speaker 1: to another place. So we fast track that process here 461 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 1: in New Hampshire, and then we have a lot of 462 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:46,440 Speaker 1: money going out we're hiring strike teams. So as it's 463 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:49,119 Speaker 1: seventy five and sunny in Florida, you know, people's immune 464 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:52,159 Speaker 1: systems are stronger, their hospitals aren't nearly as overwhelmed kind 465 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,639 Speaker 1: of like we were in the summer. So we're hiring 466 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 1: strike teams from other parts of the country where COVID 467 00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 1: isn't rearing its ugly heads as strong as we knew 468 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 1: was going to be here, bringing some of those individuals 469 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 1: in to help supplant long term care facilities or hospitals. 470 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:07,680 Speaker 1: So we've got a lot going on, and then obviously 471 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 1: the big one is testing. Making sure that folks aren't 472 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:14,200 Speaker 1: going to emergency rooms or you know, clinics for their tests, 473 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 1: they can do them right in their own homes. And 474 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:19,360 Speaker 1: creating that home opportunity for testing is really important, and 475 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:21,200 Speaker 1: we're very proud of some of the programs were put 476 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:22,960 Speaker 1: into place, kind of leading the country with you know, 477 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 1: a million home test hitting the market over the next week. Well, 478 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 1: govern big debate hire down in Washington, d C. Is 479 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:33,880 Speaker 1: over these vaccine mandates that President Biden has tried to implement. 480 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 1: Do you think that there is a role at all 481 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 1: for man dates as states like yours trying to combat 482 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 1: COVID nineteen and the new omer Coon variant. Not in 483 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:47,760 Speaker 1: terms of a government mandate. You know, when the government 484 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:52,159 Speaker 1: starts mandating certain healthcare procedures, that crosses a line. It 485 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 1: really does. It does have to be the individual responsibility. Now, 486 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 1: we want everyone to get vaccinated. I'm as pro vaccine 487 00:23:57,480 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 1: as they come. I'm out there every day doing commercial 488 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 1: and encouraging it. But at the end of the day, 489 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 1: that is a very personal family decision, and we want 490 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,399 Speaker 1: everyone to make the right decision, which is to get vaccinated, 491 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 1: whether it's your kids, whether it's your co workers, whatever 492 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 1: it might be. So the government forcing that, um, it's 493 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 1: it's not the right answer. And even the Biden administration 494 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 1: for months and months and months the first half of 495 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 1: the year, was very clear the government was not going 496 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:21,919 Speaker 1: to mandate. The government was not going to mandate, and 497 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,400 Speaker 1: then in about a week they did a hundred eighty 498 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 1: degree turn. I think it was very very much a 499 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 1: political decision and they said, well, we're just gonna mandate everything. 500 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:34,200 Speaker 1: But again, if I may, it's a great example of 501 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,440 Speaker 1: Washington being caught in a bubble without any real connection 502 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 1: about what's happening. On the ground, what's happening with businesses 503 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:44,359 Speaker 1: and families and the impacts, the negative aspects of the 504 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 1: impacts of mandating a vaccine like that. Just so on 505 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 1: a governor, just to make sure I understand you, because 506 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 1: you seem to have a pretty conservative approach to this. 507 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:55,880 Speaker 1: It's not that you will pose mandates. You just want 508 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:59,679 Speaker 1: private enterprise to decide whether they will impose them or not, 509 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,920 Speaker 1: as opposed to the government. Do I understand you, right, yeah, 510 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,920 Speaker 1: because private enterprise has always had that power. I ran 511 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 1: a business with eight hundre employees. If I wanted to 512 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 1: impose a mandate or a vaccine, or a hospital wants 513 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:12,680 Speaker 1: to impose a vaccine, that's been the log of land 514 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,639 Speaker 1: for their ability to do that forever. So you know 515 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 1: one thing, I see some other governors saying, well, we're 516 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 1: going to make sure businesses can't mandate the vaccine. Well, 517 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 1: that's an infringement on those businesses rights. Right. Let's take 518 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 1: Fred's flower shop, small family business. He's a flower shop, 519 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,440 Speaker 1: his kids work for him, he's got four or five employees. 520 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 1: He's a meno compromise. He says, Look, I want I 521 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,479 Speaker 1: need everyone here to be vaccinated because to keep my business, 522 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 1: my family business going to For the government to come 523 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:41,920 Speaker 1: in on the other side and say, sorry, you can't 524 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,640 Speaker 1: do that, that's an infringement on their rights as well. 525 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:48,160 Speaker 1: So my stance on vaccines is very consistent. You can't 526 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,719 Speaker 1: the government shouldn't be forcing a vaccine mandate and they 527 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 1: shouldn't be Also forcing business is not to have that 528 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 1: freedom and flexibility that they've always had taking away that right. 529 00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,439 Speaker 1: So um, I believe the best thing government can do 530 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:01,200 Speaker 1: when it comes of businesses, get out of the way, 531 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 1: let business do what they're going to do, and empower 532 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 1: them with the rights to do that. Governor Kristy unw 533 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,440 Speaker 1: from New Hampshire speaking with us here on Bloomberg Today, 534 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 1: Rick Davis, how big of a deal is his decision 535 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:15,720 Speaker 1: not to run for Senate for Republicans? Could it mean 536 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:20,160 Speaker 1: the balance of power in the Senate? Sure? Absolutely, sate, 537 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 1: So one senator means the balance of power and uh, 538 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:26,159 Speaker 1: and Republicans don't have that many to choose from. I 539 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:29,239 Speaker 1: mean there's there's you know, Maggie Hassan, who's a very 540 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:33,880 Speaker 1: vulnerable Democrat up for reelection. I think her favoritability ratings 541 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 1: are in the low forties. All right, that's like a 542 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 1: great target. You know, you've got Mark Kelly from Arizona. 543 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 1: You know who's that's a blue state guy running in 544 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,680 Speaker 1: a red state. And then Raphael Warnick. So those are 545 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:51,120 Speaker 1: three opportunities to win, and and and and Chris noon, 546 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 1: it was the very best shot we had at beating 547 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:55,720 Speaker 1: all those. I don't think it feels too bad after 548 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,640 Speaker 1: what we just discussed, Rick and Genie with us in studio. 549 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 1: We're gonna dig into this issue with Russia today as 550 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 1: President Biden prepares to meet with Vladimir Putin tomorrow. And 551 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 1: we'll be remembering Bob Bull straight ahead on sound on. 552 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg. You're listening to Bloomberg. You sound on 553 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:20,480 Speaker 1: with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. The headline on the 554 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 1: terminal Biden to Warren Putin against Ukraine attack, offer carrot 555 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 1: to talk. Sometimes the headlines are fun to read on 556 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,440 Speaker 1: the air. Uh, you can read this as well. It's 557 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 1: not a funny story. As President Biden prepares for yet 558 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:38,440 Speaker 1: another I won't say tell a town hall, but I 559 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,119 Speaker 1: guess video conference is what we're talking about here. And 560 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,679 Speaker 1: I'm joined in our New York studios here at the 561 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,879 Speaker 1: Mothership by of course the signature panel. Rick and Janie 562 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 1: are with us for the hour. Bloomberg Politics contributors Jeanie 563 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:53,879 Speaker 1: Chanzino and Rick Davis. Uh. I'd like to spend a 564 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,240 Speaker 1: couple of minutes with you guys on this because this 565 00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:58,879 Speaker 1: is a pretty big deal of the meeting by video 566 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,120 Speaker 1: with President She recently got an enormous amount of coverage, 567 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,600 Speaker 1: and it seems like this should get at least that much. 568 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:08,359 Speaker 1: As we know, tens of thousands of Russian troops have 569 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 1: amassed along the border of Ukraine, and we understand based 570 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,440 Speaker 1: on our reporting and what we're hearing from the White House, Genie, 571 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 1: that President Biden will be direct with Vladimir Putin tomorrow 572 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 1: to tell him where the line is, to tell him 573 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 1: what the response might be. How specific does Joe Biden 574 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 1: have to be in this meeting, And some people are 575 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,400 Speaker 1: portraying this, to your point as the most important call 576 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 1: he's had with a foreign leader to date in his 577 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,920 Speaker 1: administration in terms of what is at stake here, which 578 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 1: is the future of Ukraine on the border of Europe 579 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 1: and um. So, you know, I think it's curious what 580 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:44,960 Speaker 1: he can possibly do to change Putin's mind, you know, 581 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 1: it's probably limited. So he's Joe Biden is known to 582 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 1: be direct, and I suspect he will. But the reality 583 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 1: is there's not a lot that they can offer putin 584 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,480 Speaker 1: if he has his mind made up on interfering, on 585 00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 1: stepping into the Ukraine, and there's not a lot they 586 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 1: can offer him to stop. And in terms of what 587 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 1: they can do to threaten, you know, with a stick approach, 588 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:10,240 Speaker 1: there's not a lot at their disposal either. Certainly we've 589 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 1: heard some ideas that they may throw around there in 590 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:16,200 Speaker 1: terms of sanctions and other things. But does anybody really 591 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,280 Speaker 1: suspect that putin if he's determined and we don't know 592 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 1: that yet. The administration says he hasn't decided yet. But 593 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,960 Speaker 1: if he's determined to enter into Ukraine, would that actually 594 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,240 Speaker 1: stop him? Probably not. Well, as I read our our 595 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 1: story on this, Rick, the U S official speaking with Bloomberg, said, 596 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 1: the Biden administration does not want to be in a 597 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,480 Speaker 1: position where it has to use American forces. So what 598 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:38,760 Speaker 1: can you actually threaten? Well, I think you've got to 599 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:41,720 Speaker 1: hitting where it hurts, and and and things like the 600 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:46,280 Speaker 1: Nord stream to UH pipeline where he will feed the 601 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:50,840 Speaker 1: insatiable demand for energy to Europe is a great starting point. 602 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 1: Republicans oppose that put sanctions on it, sanctions on any 603 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 1: company doing business with it, and Joe Biden lifted all that. 604 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 1: I mean, it was like he handed a carrot to 605 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 1: Vladimir Putin on his first day in office. Now is 606 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,240 Speaker 1: the time to whip the stick out. I would. I 607 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,560 Speaker 1: would put the sanctions back in the n d A 608 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:11,680 Speaker 1: A that's ready to pass. It would actually make a 609 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:13,640 Speaker 1: lot of Republicans happy to want to vote for that 610 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,240 Speaker 1: and get it done. But I would also go after 611 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,240 Speaker 1: his financial network. I mean, we know from public reports 612 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 1: that he's stashed cash all over the world. Will go 613 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 1: after that. We were supposed to be able to track 614 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,360 Speaker 1: down drug dealers and terrorists all over the world. We 615 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 1: can't track down Vladimir Putin's large s. I mean, let's 616 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 1: let's turn the spike it off. And I think those 617 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,160 Speaker 1: are the things that really matter. I say, thirdly, kick 618 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,440 Speaker 1: him out of every international organization that we've invited him 619 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 1: in thinking he would be a productive citizen of the 620 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 1: world when he's not. And if and if he is 621 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 1: actually serious about invading a sovereign country, then all those 622 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 1: things that we allowed him to participate in the past, 623 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:54,240 Speaker 1: he should be sanctioned from and and that would hurt 624 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 1: him at home because he has a tenuous grip on 625 00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,520 Speaker 1: the population as it is, and if he doesn't look 626 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:02,120 Speaker 1: like a are on the world stage, that undermines him. 627 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 1: So let's say Joe Biden rolls all that out. Let's 628 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 1: say he takes the Rick Davis doctrine, and that's how 629 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:12,320 Speaker 1: that call goes Tomorrow. Genie vladimire Putin, uh may or 630 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:14,560 Speaker 1: may not believe that Ryan. He takes a look over 631 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:16,560 Speaker 1: at CRIMEA, Well that's still sitting more I left it. 632 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,160 Speaker 1: Why should I believe what you say? Well, that's right. 633 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,000 Speaker 1: And you know another problem that Joe Biden is facing 634 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 1: is our allies. Um, you have many European countries concerned 635 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 1: at Russia takes step in terms of the gas and oil. 636 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,520 Speaker 1: You also have Germany, you know, with new leadership, you 637 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 1: have France confronting an election. So he's got to keep 638 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:39,200 Speaker 1: our allies together. We understand he's been working the phones 639 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,800 Speaker 1: and will continue to do that, but there's got to 640 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 1: be a united front on these things. And all these 641 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,920 Speaker 1: steps that Rick is talking about are critically important. But 642 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:51,400 Speaker 1: the United States cannot be acting on any of these unilaterally. 643 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:53,800 Speaker 1: So that's going to be a critical thing to watch. 644 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:58,000 Speaker 1: Do our allies stay with us as President Biden tries 645 00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:01,040 Speaker 1: to confront Putin, and to your a point, does Putin 646 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,719 Speaker 1: take the threats seriously or say it's a lot of 647 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 1: talk with not a lot of follow up because Joe 648 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,280 Speaker 1: Biden's got his own issues at home that he's confronting, 649 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,200 Speaker 1: COVID and inflation being the top of the list. So 650 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:14,960 Speaker 1: then does it come down to and I know there's 651 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:19,080 Speaker 1: a video call Rick body language, the language that Joe 652 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,600 Speaker 1: Biden chooses to use, how do you get the point 653 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,479 Speaker 1: across that we're serious? You know, I think it's it's 654 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,640 Speaker 1: it's it's it's Biden's job to lay down the law 655 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,680 Speaker 1: right and to and to make sure that it's totally 656 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:35,320 Speaker 1: clear to Vladimir Putin what the costs of this adventurism are, right, 657 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:39,320 Speaker 1: because then if he makes a conscious decision to do something, 658 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,920 Speaker 1: then he knows that these are the things that are 659 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 1: going to happen to his regime, defensively, to his financial empire, 660 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:51,200 Speaker 1: to his you know, uh oil empire. John McCain used 661 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:55,120 Speaker 1: to love to call Russia as a gas station masquerading 662 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,080 Speaker 1: as a country, and and so like, we need to 663 00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 1: return his status to a gas station attendant. And I 664 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,640 Speaker 1: think that's what's got to be totally clear when I 665 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:06,720 Speaker 1: got he can do it in a very dispassionate way. 666 00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:08,840 Speaker 1: He can do it with a little empathy, you know, 667 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 1: I feel for you. The Russian Empire hasn't been what 668 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:13,400 Speaker 1: it used to be, and I'm not gonna let it 669 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,840 Speaker 1: go back. I'm sure you love all of that. We're 670 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:17,680 Speaker 1: gonna talk about this a lot more tomorrow. I didn't 671 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:19,160 Speaker 1: want to do the whole program on it, but it's 672 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:20,640 Speaker 1: a big enough deal that we had to kind of 673 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 1: get your, uh, your insights first. I want to ask 674 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:25,960 Speaker 1: you both. And by the way, this will happen tomorrow evening. 675 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:27,720 Speaker 1: We understand we'll go through all of this this time 676 00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,080 Speaker 1: tomorrow on sound on as that call will I believe 677 00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,360 Speaker 1: have yet to happen. And we are reporting as well 678 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,400 Speaker 1: that Joe Biden will be meeting virtually, of course, with 679 00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:38,840 Speaker 1: our European allies in a special session before that, just 680 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,480 Speaker 1: to kind of lay the groundwork and say that we're 681 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:43,680 Speaker 1: all on the same page. But one of the biggest 682 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:45,840 Speaker 1: stories that we didn't get a chance to talk about 683 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:47,800 Speaker 1: because it happened over the weekend, was the passing of 684 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:51,280 Speaker 1: Bob Dole. Big deal in Washington. We had Tom dash 685 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,800 Speaker 1: All on Balance of Power a little bit earlier. Uh. 686 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:57,360 Speaker 1: And boy to hear a Democrat talking so fondly in 687 00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,880 Speaker 1: memory about a Republican and someone he fought with a lot, Uh, 688 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,880 Speaker 1: spoke so much to me. You know, everyone likes to 689 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,720 Speaker 1: reach to Tip O'Neill and Ronald Reagan. Apparently there they 690 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:08,480 Speaker 1: were drinking so much beer. I don't know how they 691 00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:10,799 Speaker 1: got anything done. But for me, I think back to 692 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,640 Speaker 1: Tom dash All and Bob Dole as as just a 693 00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,520 Speaker 1: more functional, I don't know, maybe a more rational Washington. 694 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,160 Speaker 1: It seemed to work a little bit better. And I 695 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,799 Speaker 1: know that not everyone at the time thought that. Uh, 696 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:23,880 Speaker 1: but Rick, this must have hit you. I know you 697 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,200 Speaker 1: worked with Bob Dole for years, and he represented a 698 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,959 Speaker 1: piece of Washington that I think you could say he's gone. Yeah. 699 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:34,200 Speaker 1: He was the gentleman dealmaker, extraordinary strategist and and and 700 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,200 Speaker 1: somebody who just never gave up. And of course with 701 00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:39,839 Speaker 1: his life story, it just exudes, you know, getting back 702 00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,440 Speaker 1: from from a difficult place. And I was on his 703 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:46,319 Speaker 1: campaign for president, and uh uh, we weren't gonna win. 704 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:48,479 Speaker 1: We knew we weren't gonna win. He knew we weren't 705 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,160 Speaker 1: gonna win. He was helping other candidates and states that 706 00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:55,719 Speaker 1: were not targeted presidential states. And then he came up 707 00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:57,560 Speaker 1: with about a month, you know, not even a month, 708 00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,360 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks before the election. He's like, okay, 709 00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,759 Speaker 1: we're going out with a flash. I want to do 710 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:06,160 Speaker 1: a nineties six hour tour NonStop. Nobody sleeps for the 711 00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:09,320 Speaker 1: last ninety six hours of this campaign. And of course, 712 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,160 Speaker 1: you know, it was like just open the vein and 713 00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:14,120 Speaker 1: let it end. Uh. And and he did just such 714 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:18,279 Speaker 1: an extraordinary job. There were bowling alley events in Las 715 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,480 Speaker 1: Vegas at three o'clock in the morning. I mean, that 716 00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,440 Speaker 1: plane was like it was never gonna land, and he 717 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,600 Speaker 1: came out of that just like, we're gonna win this thing. 718 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,720 Speaker 1: It's so empowering. Everybody has been having a great time. 719 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:32,719 Speaker 1: And he took a campaign that was a bit of 720 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:36,360 Speaker 1: a challenge and turned it into something that everybody was 721 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:40,400 Speaker 1: really proud of. That's pretty special. And are you implying 722 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:43,719 Speaker 1: that he loved the art of retail campaigning? Or he 723 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,480 Speaker 1: just loved lifting you guys up and lifting up his 724 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:48,680 Speaker 1: own campaign at that moment. You know, I think all 725 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,240 Speaker 1: the above. I mean, there's a lot of reporting about 726 00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:53,879 Speaker 1: how he was never able to be president. Bob Dole 727 00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,799 Speaker 1: was a Republican at heart, right, he had been a 728 00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:00,600 Speaker 1: Republican national chairman, he'd been the vice presidential nomin and 729 00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:04,080 Speaker 1: I was with him when he received the nomination at 730 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,839 Speaker 1: the convention, and I think that was the high point 731 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,840 Speaker 1: of his career, that he had been nominated for President 732 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:13,080 Speaker 1: United States by his party, and it was almost more 733 00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,400 Speaker 1: important to be the standard bearer of the pic Party 734 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:18,440 Speaker 1: than President United States because the Republicans are who he 735 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:20,960 Speaker 1: really cared deeply about and did so much to build 736 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,200 Speaker 1: a party, and they lifted up Genie. As we think 737 00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:25,960 Speaker 1: back and and look at what we have now in Washington, 738 00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,799 Speaker 1: I know Capitol Hills are an easy target. Lawmakers are 739 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,520 Speaker 1: an easy target. But is there a Bob Dole? Is 740 00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:36,320 Speaker 1: there someone with that level of force? Uh and elegance? 741 00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,880 Speaker 1: I guess you could say as as a lawmaker. I 742 00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,480 Speaker 1: think that was the word that Tom Dashle used with 743 00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,720 Speaker 1: us earlier, was that that he was an elegant gentleman. 744 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:46,440 Speaker 1: Even though they didn't agree, they didn't eve always like 745 00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:48,840 Speaker 1: each other all that much. He couldn't he couldn't avoid 746 00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:52,319 Speaker 1: saying that, you know, I think there are many lawmakers. 747 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:54,520 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not one of those people who sits 748 00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,399 Speaker 1: around and likes to cut on politics and politicians. That's 749 00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:00,239 Speaker 1: why I'm a political scientist. You know. It's it's it's 750 00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:04,200 Speaker 1: it's an it's important work. I think the difficulty today 751 00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,719 Speaker 1: is that the people we hear most about are the 752 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:10,759 Speaker 1: loudest voices in the room that are quite unlike those 753 00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:14,359 Speaker 1: lawmakers and that Tom Dashell was talking about in in 754 00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,400 Speaker 1: this vein. Let's not forget Bob Dole was tough. I 755 00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,279 Speaker 1: mean they described him. I think Rag knows this as 756 00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:24,799 Speaker 1: the hatchetman. I mean, he was a tough lawmaker. He was, 757 00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,240 Speaker 1: you know, somebody who stood up for what his party 758 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:30,040 Speaker 1: believed in, what he wanted to see. He did work 759 00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:33,279 Speaker 1: across the aisle. He's somebody whose reputation grew after he 760 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,160 Speaker 1: left office. He's somebody I think was part of a 761 00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:39,920 Speaker 1: tremendous power couple with Elizabeth Dole, who I know Rick 762 00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:43,040 Speaker 1: worked with um. So so much to be said about him. 763 00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:45,280 Speaker 1: I do think there are people like that in Washington today. 764 00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:48,040 Speaker 1: We don't hear enough about them or celebrate them enough. 765 00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,200 Speaker 1: So I think we can all do a better job 766 00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:53,040 Speaker 1: trying to acknowledge those people versus the loudmouths who are 767 00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:57,240 Speaker 1: more exprement the public servants like Rick and Genie. Thanks guys, 768 00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,000 Speaker 1: great to see you both in person. This has been 769 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:00,879 Speaker 1: a real treat for me, and I want to thank 770 00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:02,920 Speaker 1: you for spending some time with us. On the fastest 771 00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:06,040 Speaker 1: hour in politics, We'll check traffic ahead. I'm Joe Matthew. 772 00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:07,279 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg