WEBVTT - Introducing Valley of Shadows: The Devil’s Punchbowl

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<v Speaker 1>Push can.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey listeners, Betsy Shepherd here, I'm dropping into your feed

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<v Speaker 2>to bring you a preview of my new podcast, Valley

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<v Speaker 2>of Shadows. It's about an LA County Sheriff's deputy named

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<v Speaker 2>John Aujay, who went missing in the Majave Desert back

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen ninety eight. Nearly thirty years later. The Sheriff's

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<v Speaker 2>department says that Auja's disappearance is still a mystery. The

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<v Speaker 2>whistleblowers say the sheriff's department is covering up what happened

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<v Speaker 2>to the deputy, that he was murdered in the desert,

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<v Speaker 2>which is a place where meth labs, outlaw biker gangs,

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<v Speaker 2>and dirty cops go unchecked. The show's got it all,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think you're gonna dig it. Find a Valley

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<v Speaker 3>This series includes content that may not be suitable for

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<v Speaker 3>all listeners. Listener discretion is advised.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's okay, yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>I'll turn it down just a little bit because sometimes

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<v Speaker 4>you get animated.

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<v Speaker 5>I get pissed off, pissed off old cop.

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<v Speaker 1>This pissed off old cop is Mike Bauer.

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<v Speaker 6>Okay, my name is Mike Bauer, retired Captain LA Sheriff.

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<v Speaker 6>I retired in two thousand and two. My last assignment

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<v Speaker 6>was Major Crimes Bureau, Detective Division, LA Sheriff.

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<v Speaker 2>Bower spent thirty three years climbing the ranks of the

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<v Speaker 2>Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department. And he looks the part

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<v Speaker 2>of a retired captain. His white hair and mustache are

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<v Speaker 2>neatly groomed, and his eyes are permanently fixed and a

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<v Speaker 2>look that says, do not fuck up on my watch.

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<v Speaker 2>And he's pissed off because of something that happened to

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<v Speaker 2>one of his guys on his squad back.

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<v Speaker 1>In the summer of nineteen ninety eight.

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<v Speaker 2>June eleventh started off like a normal day in Los Angeles,

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<v Speaker 2>June gloom and bad traffic.

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<v Speaker 6>I got up early out of Long Beach and headed

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<v Speaker 6>up the six ZHO five and into East LA.

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<v Speaker 5>Our office in East LA.

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<v Speaker 2>Bauer was doing paperwork when a call came into the

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<v Speaker 2>front desk. The receptionist answered.

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<v Speaker 6>Then she hung up and she comes down to get

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<v Speaker 6>a cup of coffee across the hall and I said, hey,

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<v Speaker 6>who was that. It was John Aujay.

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<v Speaker 2>John Aj was a thirty eight year old canine cop

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<v Speaker 2>and he was calling to inquire about an upcoming job assignment.

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<v Speaker 6>I said, well, I've been trying to get hold of him,

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<v Speaker 6>and she says, oh, well, maybe he'll call back.

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<v Speaker 7>He never called back.

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<v Speaker 2>John Aj was working for the unit Bower headed up

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<v Speaker 2>at the time, the Special Enforcement Bureau or SEB for short.

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<v Speaker 6>Which consists of seven or eight SWAT teams, and the

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<v Speaker 6>SWAT teams were involved in tactical responses to high risk

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<v Speaker 6>situations in the field.

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<v Speaker 2>SEB handled things like active shooter situations, hostage negotiations, search

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<v Speaker 2>and rescue. It was a job that attracted adrenaline junkies

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<v Speaker 2>like Auj. He was an Army paratrooper and a survivalist,

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<v Speaker 2>and those military skills, along with his buzz cut and

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<v Speaker 2>square build, made him a shoe in for the Sheriff's Department.

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<v Speaker 6>He was in the Army in Special Forces. He was

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<v Speaker 6>working at the elite unit of the department. I have

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<v Speaker 6>to call him a loaner, but he was an elite loaner.

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<v Speaker 6>Because the guy was doing fifty mile runs. He was

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<v Speaker 6>an animal.

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<v Speaker 2>Auj got his kicks by going on long runs through

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<v Speaker 2>California's backcountry. He go out deep into the wilderness to

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<v Speaker 2>conquer the only obstacle course that still challenged him. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's how Auja was spending his day off. On June eleventh,

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety eight, he woke up, put on his running

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<v Speaker 2>gear and drove to one of his favorite parks, the

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<v Speaker 2>Devil's Punch Bowl. It's a rugged canyon where the Angelus

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<v Speaker 2>National Forest, the San Gabriel Mountains, and the Mojave Desert

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<v Speaker 2>all converge. Auj entered the park just before noon, used

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<v Speaker 2>a payphone to call into the sheriff's department, and then

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<v Speaker 2>he took off running. He never listened to any music,

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<v Speaker 2>just the sounds of nature as he jogged along a

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<v Speaker 2>maze of switchbacks and up a nearly ten thousand foot mountain.

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<v Speaker 2>By early evening, he looped back towards the parking lot,

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<v Speaker 2>but as the sun began to set, the shadows of

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<v Speaker 2>trees and rocks grew until night engulfed the park.

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<v Speaker 6>That evening, I got a phone call saying that w

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<v Speaker 6>Oj is missing, that he didn't come back to his

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<v Speaker 6>vehicle and that they were going to start some more

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<v Speaker 6>extensive searching for him.

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<v Speaker 8>It's an all out manhunt for John Auj. Every search

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<v Speaker 8>and rescue team in La County has been called in

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<v Speaker 8>to help the thirty eight year old when hiking Thursday

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<v Speaker 8>in a rugged section of the Angels National Forest known

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<v Speaker 8>as Devil Punch Bowls Park. It's a beautiful but dangerous area,

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<v Speaker 8>an area where it may be extremely difficult to find

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<v Speaker 8>all Jay.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a pretty unique situation.

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<v Speaker 2>The Sheriff's department is called in to look for a

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<v Speaker 2>missing hiker who's one of their own. So the search

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<v Speaker 2>and rescue team sent out to look for Auj consists

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<v Speaker 2>of his friends and colleagues.

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<v Speaker 9>We took our teams out and deployed in two man

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<v Speaker 9>teams over the edges of the trails, into the little

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<v Speaker 9>nooks and crannies and the gullies that he could have

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<v Speaker 9>slipped and fallen into.

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<v Speaker 2>But searchers find no trace of Ajay. It was as

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<v Speaker 2>if he just vanished into thin air. And now, nearly

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<v Speaker 2>thirty years later, the deputy is still missing.

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<v Speaker 6>I guess I'll open a box.

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<v Speaker 2>All that remains from Auj's life is packed into five

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<v Speaker 2>cardboard boxes. The items are wrapped in plastic and Bower

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<v Speaker 2>wears gloves as he combs through them.

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<v Speaker 10>This is John's work jacket, and it's an SEB jacket

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<v Speaker 10>with his name embroidered on it, and Boss Goo his dog.

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<v Speaker 2>Now Bower's preserving Auja's belongings for future developments in the case.

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<v Speaker 10>Okay, so here's his running shoes with his name on

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<v Speaker 10>the back.

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<v Speaker 6>Those should have some.

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<v Speaker 1>DNA in him.

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<v Speaker 2>The artifacts also tell us who Auja was. There's a

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<v Speaker 2>photocollage full of happy memories him and his high school

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<v Speaker 2>sweetheart Dub on their wedding day, a birthday party for

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<v Speaker 2>their daughter Chloe, who was just five when he disappeared,

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<v Speaker 2>and puppy picks of Bosco Auj's department issued canine. And

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<v Speaker 2>next to these snapshots of domestic life, there's a steel

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<v Speaker 2>ballistics helmet intended to stop rifle rounds, trophies for marksmanship,

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<v Speaker 2>army fatigues, you know, tough guy stuff. Auj moved at

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<v Speaker 2>a fast clip, trying to balance the competing demands of

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<v Speaker 2>home and work, but his life came to an abrupt

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<v Speaker 2>and puzzling end.

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<v Speaker 6>A death certificate says cause, a death, unknown manner, a

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<v Speaker 6>death unknown no body.

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<v Speaker 2>The deputy's body has never been found, which raises a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of questions for Mike Bauer and a survivalist getting

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<v Speaker 2>lost in the woods another big question mark. Over time,

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<v Speaker 2>the miss of it all has turned into something else,

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<v Speaker 2>deep and unsettling, suspicion about the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department.

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<v Speaker 6>The only law enforcement agency in this country that I

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<v Speaker 6>know of, and I've looked around, who has a missing

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<v Speaker 6>deputy sheriff and doesn't seem to care? What the hell happened?

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<v Speaker 6>What's the answer? Who's motivated to find the answer?

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<v Speaker 1>And that's my cue.

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<v Speaker 2>When Mike Bouer first told me about au Jay, I

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<v Speaker 2>thought an unsolved disappearance involving a cop, that's unusual. But

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<v Speaker 2>when he started talking about the Sheriff's Department, his department,

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<v Speaker 2>that's when I locked in. Because you'd expect the LA

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<v Speaker 2>County Sheriff's Department to turn over every stone to find

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<v Speaker 2>their guy. So the claim that the LASD may have

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<v Speaker 2>an interest in not solving the case, now that's a story.

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<v Speaker 2>So I called up my friend Hailey Fox like me,

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<v Speaker 2>she's an investigative journalist, and she knows a lot about

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<v Speaker 2>the sheriff's department because she's reported on it for many years.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, Betsy, Hey do.

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<v Speaker 11>I'm good?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm ready.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I go to do this.

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<v Speaker 3>It's about time. I'm a little road t adventure all right,

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<v Speaker 3>let's do it.

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<v Speaker 2>We've teamed up on stories before and decided to get

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<v Speaker 2>the band back together to finanswers about this missing deputy

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<v Speaker 2>and to take on the largest sheriff's department in the country.

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<v Speaker 12>There's a code of silence in law enforcement. You break

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<v Speaker 12>that code of silence, you're done.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, if don't fucking kill a Copponberry, what they gonna

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<v Speaker 1>do to me?

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<v Speaker 6>It's an obstruction of justice of a very large scale.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Betsy Shepherd.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm Haley Fowx, And this is Valley of Shadows, a

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<v Speaker 3>show about crime and corruption in California's high Desert. Episode one,

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<v Speaker 3>the Devil's Punch Bowl. Betsy and I are making the

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<v Speaker 3>trek from downtown Los Angeles to the Anaelote Valley that's

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<v Speaker 3>the desert area north of la where Deputy Auja disappeared.

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<v Speaker 3>The drives about sixty miles, but takes an hour and

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<v Speaker 3>a half to two hours because of the mountainous terrain.

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<v Speaker 1>See you actually have to take We gotta go.

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<v Speaker 3>North, Yeah, we're gonna go north, but this is La Dude.

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<v Speaker 1>We gotta go south.

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<v Speaker 3>One in south five north fourteen and then I think

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<v Speaker 3>there's a one thirty eighth throat in there, but nothing's

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<v Speaker 3>a street.

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<v Speaker 1>Shod spoken like a true Agelino.

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<v Speaker 3>I was born and raised in La County, Go Dodgers,

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<v Speaker 3>but this part of it feels worlds away. The Antelope Valley,

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<v Speaker 3>or the AV as it's sometimes called, is a three

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<v Speaker 3>thousand square mile stretch of the Mojave, but this part

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<v Speaker 3>of the high desert doesn't have the same allure and

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<v Speaker 3>vibingess as places like Joshua Tree. Instead, the Avy is

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<v Speaker 3>mostly empty space, dotted with defence plants, bedroom communities, and

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<v Speaker 3>tumbleweed towns.

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<v Speaker 1>So a lot of just like.

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<v Speaker 2>Trailers kind of just parked out in the desert.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean power lines and scrub rush. Our story

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<v Speaker 3>takes place in and around Pair Blossom, California. It has

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<v Speaker 3>a population of fifteen hundred and it's where the Devil's

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<v Speaker 3>Punch bowls located. Driving through it, Betsy gets a case

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<v Speaker 3>of deja vu.

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<v Speaker 1>He g had anxiety coming to places like this because

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<v Speaker 1>it reminds me of like.

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<v Speaker 4>A town that it grew up and there's just just

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<v Speaker 4>like I feel the oppressive weight of boredom.

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<v Speaker 11>Oh really.

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<v Speaker 2>I moved to La several years ago from South Louisiana.

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<v Speaker 2>Had never been to Anela Valley before, but it was

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<v Speaker 2>immediately familiar to me. Because if you were to replace

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<v Speaker 2>desert with swamp, this region would look a lot like

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<v Speaker 2>the small town I'm from. It's rural and kind of

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<v Speaker 2>run down. There's more landscape than real estate, lots of

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<v Speaker 2>pickup trucks in town.

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<v Speaker 1>Life seems like a thing of the past.

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<v Speaker 5>We got.

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<v Speaker 2>An abandoned motel, what's this, Oh like an abandoned old

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<v Speaker 2>restaurant and wreck hall and people getting gas to presumably

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<v Speaker 2>be all their way.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, I think the three gas stations in

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<v Speaker 3>a row tell the story.

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<v Speaker 2>But the closer we get to the Devil's punch Bowl,

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<v Speaker 2>where auj was last spotted, and other worldly landscape appears,

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<v Speaker 2>full of spiky Joshua trees and sandstone columns.

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<v Speaker 3>It's actually really beautiful out here.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not expected to land.

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<v Speaker 3>Are you looking at these huge rocks jutting out of

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<v Speaker 3>the ground and like they're making all those crazy shadows.

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<v Speaker 1>Seen anything like them?

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<v Speaker 3>I haven't either.

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<v Speaker 4>I feel like I've been an old Western movie, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>like we're just got this like wide ethic landscape shots.

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<v Speaker 3>Total endless horizons, totally endless horizons.

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<v Speaker 1>I can see why John A j. Liked to come

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<v Speaker 1>out here. It's pretty pretty, not big.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, we are pulling into the Devil's punch Bowl County

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<v Speaker 3>Park parking lot.

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<v Speaker 13>Here we are.

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<v Speaker 3>We've come here to retrace John Aujay's last known steps

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<v Speaker 3>and to meet with ranger Jack Farley. He was working

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<v Speaker 3>on the punch Bowl the day the deputy disappeared.

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<v Speaker 5>Hi are you?

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<v Speaker 1>But are you Jack Farley?

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<v Speaker 6>By chance?

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<v Speaker 1>This is my reporting partner, Haley.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you for meeting us out here. Yes, Jock Farley's

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<v Speaker 3>retired now, but for thirty five years he was assigned

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<v Speaker 3>to work the punch Bowl.

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<v Speaker 1>What a cool job.

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<v Speaker 7>Great for me?

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<v Speaker 11>Yeah, it was awesome, good job.

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<v Speaker 3>It was Farley's job to keep an eye on things,

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<v Speaker 3>to tend the grounds and patrol the area. So he

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<v Speaker 3>noticed when AJ became a regular at the punch Bowl

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<v Speaker 3>and he clocked Auj's regular parking space, the one closest

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<v Speaker 3>to the trailhead.

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<v Speaker 4>So I can.

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<v Speaker 11>Remember seeing him sitting in the back of his truck

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<v Speaker 11>when you get done with a run in the mountains.

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<v Speaker 11>So when I'd walk out into the parking lot, I'd

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<v Speaker 11>see him sitting out there and ask him about his run.

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<v Speaker 3>Farley remembers that the day Auj disappeared, his white Ford

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<v Speaker 3>F one to fifty truck was parked in that very

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<v Speaker 3>same spot, surrounded on all sides by wilderness.

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<v Speaker 4>One thing that impresses us so much about this area

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<v Speaker 4>is that you have a desert landscape on one side,

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<v Speaker 4>you have a mountain, it's in forests on the other,

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<v Speaker 4>and then in between it's these really cool rock formations.

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<v Speaker 11>Right, it's all uplifted from earthquake activity. Oh wow, that's

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<v Speaker 11>a punch bowl fault and that runs parallel with the mountains.

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<v Speaker 11>And then when you came up to hear you cross

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<v Speaker 11>the San Andreas Fault, which of course the big one

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<v Speaker 11>that runs through California, several faults in the area. It

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<v Speaker 11>took all this sand that was laid down flat by

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<v Speaker 11>streams and tilted up into vertical relief.

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<v Speaker 3>And it creates a bowl shape.

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<v Speaker 11>You can see a definite bowl shape coming around like

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<v Speaker 11>this so that's where it got the punch bowl name.

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<v Speaker 3>We're not totally sure about the devil part of it, though,

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<v Speaker 3>according to local lore, early homesteaders saw grinning devil in

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<v Speaker 3>the rock formations. We didn't see Satan in the rock face,

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<v Speaker 3>but we did see something else thanks to a county

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<v Speaker 3>park employee named Dave Numar.

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<v Speaker 1>See the shadow ends.

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<v Speaker 6>There's that big rock kind of all by itself.

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<v Speaker 4>If you look, it's like a forehead is facing us

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<v Speaker 4>and there's a nose pointing street.

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<v Speaker 1>It looks like George Washington.

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<v Speaker 14>Yeah, it's a natural not rest more cool.

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<v Speaker 5>So there's all kinds of faces out here because it's like,

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<v Speaker 5>oh if our brains are programmed to see patterns.

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<v Speaker 3>Pattern recognition is why we see gods and goddesses in

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<v Speaker 3>the stars and the man in the moon. It's also

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<v Speaker 3>a key part of criminal investigations, a way to turn

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<v Speaker 3>information into a story. And that's why we've come to

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<v Speaker 3>the Devil's Punch Bowl to see if we can make

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<v Speaker 3>sense of what happened on June eleventh, nineteen ninety eight.

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<v Speaker 3>So we pull out a map we printed from the internet.

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<v Speaker 3>Because we're prepared journalists and elder millennials and we present

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<v Speaker 3>it to Ranger Farland, let me show you what.

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<v Speaker 1>It looks like.

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<v Speaker 11>Yeah, line will definitely.

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<v Speaker 3>Be definitely get us lost in the wilderness. Farley proves

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<v Speaker 3>his outdoor prowess by whipping out some real maps of

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<v Speaker 3>the area to help orient us to our surroundings.

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<v Speaker 13>Okay, here's the Devil's Okay, and there's Burkhart Trail right there,

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<v Speaker 13>goes over toward Devil's Chairs, so that'd be just to

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<v Speaker 13>the east, goes to South Fork.

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<v Speaker 3>One witness reported seeing Auj near the picnic tables at

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<v Speaker 3>the main trailhead sometime before noon. This witness was a

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<v Speaker 3>local teacher there on a field trip with a bunch

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<v Speaker 3>of elementary school kids. Auj stopped to talk to him.

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<v Speaker 3>He pointed to a jagon mountain in the distance, Mount

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<v Speaker 3>Baden Powell, and said that's where he was headed.

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<v Speaker 11>So the high mountain behind the telephone pole over there, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 11>that's Baden Powell and that's where he would go sometimes.

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<v Speaker 3>How tall is the mountain?

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<v Speaker 11>Jeez, that is one of the higher ones. Let me

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<v Speaker 11>think ten ten, I mean in this range.

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<v Speaker 1>And he would run from here to that mountain all

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<v Speaker 1>the way over there and then.

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<v Speaker 11>Run up it. Yeah, he'd run over there and then

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<v Speaker 11>they're switchbacks all the way to the top of that mountain.

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<v Speaker 3>Aujy was spotted again later in the day, when multiple

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<v Speaker 3>witnesses say they saw him jogging through a campground just

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<v Speaker 3>north of the mountain in the direction of the punch

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<v Speaker 3>Bowl parking lot. But when Farley left his post at

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<v Speaker 3>five PM, Auj's truck was still parked in the lot,

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<v Speaker 3>and it stayed parked there as the evening bloomed over

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<v Speaker 3>the desert, and then close to midnight, Aujy's wife called

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<v Speaker 3>the sheriff's station to report him missing.

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<v Speaker 2>As June eleventh, nineteen ninety eight years It's end, Debbie

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<v Speaker 2>auj becomes increasingly panicked because her husband, Deputy John A.

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<v Speaker 2>J told her he'd be home around dark and by

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<v Speaker 2>now he's several hours late. So she dials up one

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<v Speaker 2>of the share of stations where Auja worked.

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<v Speaker 15>The call comes into the desk and it's from Debbie

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<v Speaker 15>and it says, hey, my husband, who's a deputy, he

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<v Speaker 15>went for a run and he didn't come home.

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<v Speaker 2>Vince Burton was a sergeant in the Antelope Valley. He

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<v Speaker 2>was also Aujay's colleague and friend, so he gets on

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<v Speaker 2>the phone with Debbie.

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<v Speaker 15>She was just upset.

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<v Speaker 7>She was crying. She was obviously very concerned.

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<v Speaker 15>I just I said, okay, Debbie, we're sending people up there,

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<v Speaker 15>you know, keep you posted.

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<v Speaker 2>Patrol deputies high tail it to the punch bowl where

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<v Speaker 2>they find Aujay's truck.

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<v Speaker 1>But no, they think maybe.

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<v Speaker 2>He got injured, slipped and fell for how to run

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<v Speaker 2>in with some wildlife. So Burton dispatches Search and Rescue

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<v Speaker 2>to the site and he calls in their coordinator, Dave Soer,

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<v Speaker 2>to discuss Auj's likely route.

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<v Speaker 15>And Dave comes in and we pull up a map

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<v Speaker 15>of the area. And I told him at that time,

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<v Speaker 15>I said, you know, John's a runner, and he goes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 15>and I said, no, he's a long distance runner. He's

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<v Speaker 15>an ultra marathoner. He's like what.

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<v Speaker 2>Ultra marathoners are running extremists who power through long distances.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, Auj was scheduled to compete in a one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred mile run the week after he went missing, so

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<v Speaker 2>responders have a hard time wrapping their heads around the

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<v Speaker 2>scale of the search.

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<v Speaker 7>I gave him the best information I could give him.

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<v Speaker 7>You know, don't start your grid pattern so small.

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<v Speaker 2>This is Randy Meggerdley. He was a patrol deputy for

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<v Speaker 2>the Share Department and one of Auj's running buddies. He

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<v Speaker 2>reiterates to the command post that Auj was a beast.

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<v Speaker 7>You're running goat trails is basically what I categorized them as.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you mean by that goat trails?

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<v Speaker 7>Well, they're just megshift trails. Sometimes they'll be covered with snow,

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<v Speaker 7>sometimes they'll be covered with mud, crossing rivers. I mean,

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<v Speaker 7>it's crazy what kind of stuff that we were doing.

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<v Speaker 7>There was one that we did. It was hand over

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<v Speaker 7>foot trying to get up this mountain.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>And so part of the activity was figuring out how

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<v Speaker 2>to get to.

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<v Speaker 1>The end of it.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, and one piece.

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<v Speaker 2>Hearing Meggerdy talk about ultra marathoners, it sounds like they

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<v Speaker 2>have no off switch. So maybe Auj just overdid it.

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<v Speaker 7>Your brain does some wonky stuff when you're dehydrated, and

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<v Speaker 7>they thought maybe he got on a trail and he

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<v Speaker 7>was doing the forest gump, just kept running.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a theory that Auj was doing the forest gump

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<v Speaker 2>and just kept running and got himself into a tailspin

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<v Speaker 2>of dehydration. Responders take note and fan out across the

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<v Speaker 2>search grid.

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<v Speaker 11>I was nice to him. I said, do you know

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<v Speaker 11>I know the area pretty well?

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<v Speaker 1>If you guys want help, Ranger Jack Farley again, the.

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<v Speaker 11>Guy goes, no, we're search and rescue. We pretty much

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<v Speaker 11>know what we're doing, you know. So I go okay, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>But it doesn't take long for the pros realize they're

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<v Speaker 2>in over their heads.

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<v Speaker 11>So then they're going, hey, are you the guy that

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<v Speaker 11>knows the area? You know, maybe you could give us

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<v Speaker 11>a little help.

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<v Speaker 2>So Farley leads a few groups of deputies and bloodhounds

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<v Speaker 2>down the local trails.

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<v Speaker 11>At one time thought they caught a scent and it

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<v Speaker 11>went up on the trail going toward the Burckhart Trail,

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<v Speaker 11>And we had talked about someone saying they heard a gunshot.

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<v Speaker 11>You can't see the house from here, but it's like

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<v Speaker 11>a half mile below the trail up there where the

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<v Speaker 11>people lived that said.

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<v Speaker 2>They heard that the dogs pick up a scent, possibly Aujay's,

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<v Speaker 2>on a trail that's near a local resident. That guy

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<v Speaker 2>reported to searchers that he heard a single gunshot at

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<v Speaker 2>sunset the day Auja vanished. It's a detail the Sheriff's

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<v Speaker 2>Department registers as a potential clue.

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<v Speaker 11>So I took a group of deputies over there and

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<v Speaker 11>we went that really rugged, wooded canyon.

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<v Speaker 2>They didn't find anything, but searchers do spot some footprints

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<v Speaker 2>on the mountain where Auj told people he was going.

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<v Speaker 2>So Aujay's captain, Mike Bauer, takes to the skies to

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<v Speaker 2>see where they lead.

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<v Speaker 6>And that was the first time I ever stepped out

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<v Speaker 6>of a huge helicopter on the side of a mountain

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<v Speaker 6>with one skid touching, And then that helicopter flew off

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<v Speaker 6>while we examined the openings the Big Horn Mine to

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<v Speaker 6>see whether or not it had been broken into.

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<v Speaker 2>Corn is a mine on top of the mountain leftover

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<v Speaker 2>from the gold rush days. Its entrance has been welded

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<v Speaker 2>shut to keep out hikers, and when the helicopter lands,

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<v Speaker 2>nineties action movie style Bowers crew finds no signs of

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<v Speaker 2>a break in. Auj's reported missing late Thursday night.

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<v Speaker 1>By the end of the.

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<v Speaker 2>Day Sunday, the Sheriff's department kicks things into high gear.

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<v Speaker 2>They call in the US Army and Air Force along

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<v Speaker 2>with the LASD heavy hitters. It's a specialized squad called

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<v Speaker 2>Emergency Services Detail or ESD.

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<v Speaker 5>They do search and rescue, underwater search and recovery, and

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<v Speaker 5>they support the special weapons team with medical skills.

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<v Speaker 2>Dave Rathbin was one of the ESD members sent out

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<v Speaker 2>to search for Auj.

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<v Speaker 5>And the adrenaline that you get from ESD is different

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<v Speaker 5>from any other adrenaline.

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<v Speaker 2>ESD deputies are equipped to handle all types of a

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<v Speaker 2>emergency scenarios. But it wasn't just the rocky ledges and

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<v Speaker 2>wild animals they.

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<v Speaker 1>Had to worry about here.

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<v Speaker 2>The area was full of all kinds of criminal activity.

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<v Speaker 5>One of the things they told our search teams on

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<v Speaker 5>day one was John may have stumbled into a meth

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<v Speaker 5>lab by accident. So that was told to us when

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<v Speaker 5>we were out searching. And the reason they told us

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<v Speaker 5>is they recommend that we take weapons.

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<v Speaker 2>Rathman and his team of searchers come to the punch

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<v Speaker 2>Bowl armed and ready for action because maybe Auj isn't

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<v Speaker 2>lost or injured or running for the hills. Maybe he's

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<v Speaker 2>the victim of foul play. The command post doesn't expand

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<v Speaker 2>on why they thought Aj may have been taken out

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<v Speaker 2>by meth related violence, but to Rathbun, this theory doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>sound too far fetched because the Anelo Valley is isolated

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<v Speaker 2>outlawsh and on account of its size, difficult to police.

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<v Speaker 5>There are a lot of people who just don't want

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<v Speaker 5>to be around other human beings out there, which makes

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<v Speaker 5>them sometimes dangerous. There's people cooking meth.

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<v Speaker 14>Ah.

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<v Speaker 5>It was a little bit like the Old West in

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<v Speaker 5>a way. I mean, this is a very unusual, strange place.

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<v Speaker 2>And remember that abandoned mind searcher scoped out. Well, it

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<v Speaker 2>turns out they're everywhere and they are a prime location

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<v Speaker 2>for body dumping.

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<v Speaker 5>One of the things ESD did was recover dead bodies

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<v Speaker 5>from minds.

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<v Speaker 2>And it wasn't just the mines. Corpses turn up all

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<v Speaker 2>over these parts.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, if all the dead bodies that were up

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<v Speaker 5>there from being deliberately disposed of, stood up and once

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<v Speaker 5>they'd be shoulder to shoulder.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a chilling image of the area's darker side. AJ

0:27:09.822 --> 0:27:12.622
<v Speaker 2>would jog from the Devil's Punch Bowl into the Angelus

0:27:12.742 --> 0:27:16.142
<v Speaker 2>National Forest, which has been called the most dangerous national

0:27:16.182 --> 0:27:19.822
<v Speaker 2>forest in America. Around the time of Auj's disappearance, it's

0:27:19.942 --> 0:27:22.942
<v Speaker 2>estimated that two to three dozen corpses turned up in

0:27:22.942 --> 0:27:25.782
<v Speaker 2>the forest every year, and those were just the ones

0:27:25.782 --> 0:27:29.742
<v Speaker 2>that were found. So Rathman understands the danger he faces,

0:27:30.382 --> 0:27:34.542
<v Speaker 2>but pushes on. In search of footprints, you have to.

0:27:34.462 --> 0:27:37.382
<v Speaker 5>Look at the ground and look at bushes that have

0:27:37.462 --> 0:27:40.142
<v Speaker 5>been pushed in. We walked and walked, and walked and walked,

0:27:40.142 --> 0:27:41.062
<v Speaker 5>and walked and walked.

0:27:42.902 --> 0:27:47.702
<v Speaker 3>The search is taxing for Rathban physically and emotionally, because

0:27:47.702 --> 0:27:49.862
<v Speaker 3>he and Auj were friends and back in the early

0:27:49.942 --> 0:27:51.982
<v Speaker 3>nineties they were even partners.

0:27:52.862 --> 0:27:55.022
<v Speaker 5>If it was me that needed cover, he'd be there.

0:27:55.782 --> 0:27:59.502
<v Speaker 5>Didn't even think about it. Someone you could definitely depend on.

0:28:01.222 --> 0:28:04.142
<v Speaker 3>Rathban and Auj spent a lot of time driving around together,

0:28:04.982 --> 0:28:07.502
<v Speaker 3>but they didn't sit around riffing like partners in a

0:28:07.502 --> 0:28:08.422
<v Speaker 3>Buddy Coock movie.

0:28:09.662 --> 0:28:14.022
<v Speaker 5>He was laconic, didn't have a lot to say unless

0:28:14.062 --> 0:28:18.702
<v Speaker 5>you worked on him, and he was always kind of

0:28:18.782 --> 0:28:20.782
<v Speaker 5>severe serious.

0:28:21.342 --> 0:28:24.982
<v Speaker 3>Auj was hardly two dimensional, though he used his dead

0:28:24.982 --> 0:28:27.502
<v Speaker 3>pan personality to mess with people.

0:28:28.902 --> 0:28:33.382
<v Speaker 5>He had this secret sense of humor, but it was

0:28:33.422 --> 0:28:36.782
<v Speaker 5>really hard to tell which CARDI was playing, the funny

0:28:36.822 --> 0:28:39.662
<v Speaker 5>card or the I'm John and I'm dead serious card.

0:28:41.902 --> 0:28:44.702
<v Speaker 3>One time, Rathbin and Auj had to chase down a suspect.

0:28:45.462 --> 0:28:48.222
<v Speaker 3>Rathbn was driving and he ends up reversing down a

0:28:48.262 --> 0:28:52.462
<v Speaker 3>one way street. They got the guy, but Auj looked.

0:28:52.262 --> 0:28:55.822
<v Speaker 5>Pissed, and he added that Dave, I need to talk

0:28:55.862 --> 0:28:56.102
<v Speaker 5>to you.

0:28:57.622 --> 0:29:01.782
<v Speaker 3>Rathven's gotten pretty good and impersonating John Auj's baritone voice,

0:29:02.582 --> 0:29:04.582
<v Speaker 3>he says he sounded a lot like Lurch from the

0:29:04.622 --> 0:29:05.382
<v Speaker 3>Adams family.

0:29:06.502 --> 0:29:10.742
<v Speaker 5>What you just did was a violent in California state law,

0:29:11.782 --> 0:29:13.742
<v Speaker 5>and if you do something like that again, I'll have

0:29:13.782 --> 0:29:14.422
<v Speaker 5>to write you up.

0:29:15.902 --> 0:29:16.182
<v Speaker 2>John.

0:29:16.342 --> 0:29:19.422
<v Speaker 5>We were chasing a suspect, and we are law enforcement

0:29:19.422 --> 0:29:25.102
<v Speaker 5>officers and so we get exemptions during those things that

0:29:25.182 --> 0:29:29.942
<v Speaker 5>may be true, but it was illegal. Is this John

0:29:30.142 --> 0:29:33.982
<v Speaker 5>being funny? You would not know, and he will never

0:29:34.062 --> 0:29:34.542
<v Speaker 5>let you know.

0:29:37.462 --> 0:29:41.942
<v Speaker 3>Auj was hard to read. In fact, there's even confusion

0:29:41.982 --> 0:29:45.942
<v Speaker 3>over the pronunciation of his last name. His family says Oj,

0:29:46.742 --> 0:29:48.062
<v Speaker 3>but to his friends.

0:29:48.502 --> 0:29:51.822
<v Speaker 5>It was Auj, and he never corrected us. And he's

0:29:51.862 --> 0:29:52.782
<v Speaker 5>not very bashful.

0:29:54.422 --> 0:29:56.662
<v Speaker 3>We'll never know why he didn't tell people how to

0:29:56.662 --> 0:30:00.102
<v Speaker 3>pronounce his name, but it seems fitting for someone who

0:30:00.142 --> 0:30:04.182
<v Speaker 3>remains a mystery to so many. Auj was an enigma

0:30:04.262 --> 0:30:07.382
<v Speaker 3>to just about everyone around him, so when he disappeared,

0:30:07.622 --> 0:30:12.022
<v Speaker 3>he became an easy target for conspiracy theories. Stories begin

0:30:12.142 --> 0:30:15.422
<v Speaker 3>to circulate that Auj's alive and well living in Alaska.

0:30:15.782 --> 0:30:19.102
<v Speaker 3>Others say Mexico. Some say he was recruited by a

0:30:19.142 --> 0:30:24.182
<v Speaker 3>mercenary group or join the CIA. These theories were fueled

0:30:24.182 --> 0:30:27.902
<v Speaker 3>by weird comments Auj had made to friends like Dave Rathbun.

0:30:29.102 --> 0:30:35.542
<v Speaker 5>Dave, Yes, you guys think you can find people with

0:30:35.622 --> 0:30:38.182
<v Speaker 5>your searches, and you think you're pretty good at it. Right.

0:30:39.462 --> 0:30:42.062
<v Speaker 5>I could go on the mountains and you'd never find me.

0:30:43.342 --> 0:30:45.622
<v Speaker 5>And I said, there are people who want to be

0:30:45.742 --> 0:30:49.102
<v Speaker 5>found that we can't find. So I'm not really impressed

0:30:49.142 --> 0:30:54.462
<v Speaker 5>with your with your declaration there. If you don't want

0:30:54.502 --> 0:30:57.062
<v Speaker 5>to be found, I oh, pretty sure I wouldn't be

0:30:57.102 --> 0:30:57.742
<v Speaker 5>able to find you.

0:30:57.862 --> 0:30:58.582
<v Speaker 14>So I agree.

0:30:59.582 --> 0:31:03.062
<v Speaker 3>And of course that conversation takes on extra meaning a

0:31:03.182 --> 0:31:05.222
<v Speaker 3>searchers keep coming up empty handed.

0:31:06.142 --> 0:31:09.902
<v Speaker 5>I participated in that search until my feet were bloody,

0:31:10.622 --> 0:31:15.902
<v Speaker 5>as did several of my peers. But day six they said, well,

0:31:15.982 --> 0:31:18.702
<v Speaker 5>shut it down. What do you mean shut it down?

0:31:19.942 --> 0:31:22.622
<v Speaker 5>Who said that? Who gave that order and shut the

0:31:22.622 --> 0:31:23.782
<v Speaker 5>thing down? What are you talking about?

0:31:23.862 --> 0:31:27.902
<v Speaker 3>Day six, the Sheriff's department folds the search after six

0:31:27.982 --> 0:31:31.702
<v Speaker 3>days and gives a statement to the press Sergeant Sower,

0:31:31.862 --> 0:31:35.782
<v Speaker 3>one of the deputies overseeing the operation, says, quote, a

0:31:35.822 --> 0:31:38.302
<v Speaker 3>good analogy would be someone coming up to you and

0:31:38.342 --> 0:31:40.942
<v Speaker 3>giving you two to three pieces of a five hundred

0:31:40.982 --> 0:31:43.782
<v Speaker 3>piece puzzle and asking you to guess what the picture is.

0:31:44.742 --> 0:31:48.062
<v Speaker 3>Throw into that a few pieces of an entirely different puzzle,

0:31:48.622 --> 0:31:51.422
<v Speaker 3>and that is what we work with. We might never

0:31:51.462 --> 0:31:51.942
<v Speaker 3>get it right.

0:31:52.782 --> 0:31:53.902
<v Speaker 1>End quote.

0:31:54.302 --> 0:31:57.142
<v Speaker 5>You want to trust the department that they're doing the

0:31:57.222 --> 0:32:00.382
<v Speaker 5>right thing, But no one asked us if we should

0:32:00.382 --> 0:32:03.582
<v Speaker 5>shut it down. If I'm the search and rescue guy,

0:32:04.782 --> 0:32:07.502
<v Speaker 5>and my partners are search and rescue guys, and the

0:32:07.542 --> 0:32:10.582
<v Speaker 5>helicopter pilots have been on hundreds of searches, why are

0:32:10.622 --> 0:32:13.102
<v Speaker 5>we asking them what they think and their input.

0:32:14.302 --> 0:32:17.822
<v Speaker 3>Rathmin says searches for missing hikers typically last seven to

0:32:17.862 --> 0:32:22.022
<v Speaker 3>fourteen days, depending on the viability of the person. Auj

0:32:22.382 --> 0:32:25.502
<v Speaker 3>was not your typical hiker, and given his personal and

0:32:25.542 --> 0:32:29.182
<v Speaker 3>professional connection to the Sheriff's Department, it seems like the

0:32:29.302 --> 0:32:31.702
<v Speaker 3>LASD would go the extra mile to find it.

0:32:32.662 --> 0:32:36.222
<v Speaker 5>So it's six days you cancel a search for somebody

0:32:36.262 --> 0:32:38.902
<v Speaker 5>who can run fifty or one hundred miles in the

0:32:38.942 --> 0:32:43.262
<v Speaker 5>wilderness really knows the wilderness is good or better than

0:32:43.302 --> 0:32:46.342
<v Speaker 5>anybody in ESD. They've set it down. Why are you

0:32:46.382 --> 0:32:47.022
<v Speaker 5>shutting it down?

0:32:48.462 --> 0:32:52.102
<v Speaker 3>The Sheriff's Department tells the public that Auj disappeared without

0:32:52.102 --> 0:32:55.302
<v Speaker 3>a trace and that they're ending the search because they're

0:32:55.342 --> 0:32:59.302
<v Speaker 3>just spinning their wheels. But behind the scenes, they're telling

0:32:59.422 --> 0:33:00.782
<v Speaker 3>a very different story.

0:33:01.862 --> 0:33:23.022
<v Speaker 5>Well. They say that they decided he committed suicide.

0:33:31.022 --> 0:33:34.702
<v Speaker 2>Internal LASD reports claimed that Auj was distraught over his

0:33:34.742 --> 0:33:37.582
<v Speaker 2>failing marriage and took his own life in the punch bowl.

0:33:38.702 --> 0:33:41.622
<v Speaker 2>That gunshot the area resident heard that could have been

0:33:41.662 --> 0:33:44.102
<v Speaker 2>the sound of Auj just putting an end to it all.

0:33:45.382 --> 0:33:48.622
<v Speaker 2>But the Sheriff's Department makes that determination without a body.

0:33:49.222 --> 0:33:53.662
<v Speaker 2>They don't find any remains, blood, bullets, or a suicide note.

0:33:54.262 --> 0:33:54.662
<v Speaker 1>Nothing.

0:33:55.782 --> 0:33:57.582
<v Speaker 2>The only thing they think they may have found of

0:33:57.622 --> 0:34:00.542
<v Speaker 2>Aujay's was an energy bar wrapper left on one of

0:34:00.542 --> 0:34:03.782
<v Speaker 2>the trails. From what we can tell, there's not a

0:34:03.822 --> 0:34:07.142
<v Speaker 2>lot pointing to suicide, so we reach out to Aujay's

0:34:07.142 --> 0:34:09.062
<v Speaker 2>colleagues and friends to get their thoughts.

0:34:10.142 --> 0:34:13.782
<v Speaker 14>He was obviously down, he was obviously upset, but was

0:34:13.862 --> 0:34:15.302
<v Speaker 14>it enough to commit suicide.

0:34:16.542 --> 0:34:19.662
<v Speaker 2>Sergeant Vince Burden is still on the fence on the

0:34:19.662 --> 0:34:22.102
<v Speaker 2>one hand, a Jay did appear torn up over his

0:34:22.142 --> 0:34:25.702
<v Speaker 2>marital problems. On the other he seemed to be coping.

0:34:26.622 --> 0:34:30.262
<v Speaker 14>Would you be telling me about your ultra marathon if

0:34:30.262 --> 0:34:32.702
<v Speaker 14>you were just going to end it all? Would you

0:34:32.782 --> 0:34:35.742
<v Speaker 14>even be planning to go run at the punch Bowl,

0:34:35.742 --> 0:34:37.262
<v Speaker 14>which is an ugly area anyway?

0:34:38.022 --> 0:34:40.382
<v Speaker 2>For fact checking purposes, we want to make clear the

0:34:40.382 --> 0:34:41.862
<v Speaker 2>punch Bowl is not ugly.

0:34:42.702 --> 0:34:45.662
<v Speaker 14>But go on, Vince, None of that made sense to me.

0:34:45.742 --> 0:34:47.182
<v Speaker 14>With the suicide.

0:34:47.742 --> 0:34:51.822
<v Speaker 2>Fraday's running buddy, Randy Meggerdley, there's no question.

0:34:52.382 --> 0:34:55.182
<v Speaker 7>Plain and simple. I think he killed himself. That's the

0:34:55.182 --> 0:34:57.742
<v Speaker 7>only way I can explain, because he.

0:34:57.702 --> 0:35:01.462
<v Speaker 2>Says Aujay was acting strangely, even more strangely than usual

0:35:01.782 --> 0:35:03.462
<v Speaker 2>in the weeks before his disappearance.

0:35:04.302 --> 0:35:07.262
<v Speaker 7>He says, you know, there's a bunch of caves and

0:35:07.262 --> 0:35:11.582
<v Speaker 7>stuff out here, you can very much disappear I think

0:35:11.822 --> 0:35:14.502
<v Speaker 7>was the word that he used, and nobody would ever

0:35:14.542 --> 0:35:14.982
<v Speaker 7>find yet.

0:35:16.422 --> 0:35:20.022
<v Speaker 2>Auj said similar things to Dave Rathbin, but he didn't

0:35:20.022 --> 0:35:22.022
<v Speaker 2>put a lot of stock into any of the statements

0:35:22.622 --> 0:35:25.422
<v Speaker 2>because he says Aujay is just a weird guy.

0:35:26.662 --> 0:35:30.222
<v Speaker 5>Our unit was next to a big giant duck pond,

0:35:30.262 --> 0:35:32.342
<v Speaker 5>and one of the ways we used to make jokes

0:35:32.342 --> 0:35:34.422
<v Speaker 5>about each other is kind of like, where do you

0:35:34.462 --> 0:35:37.542
<v Speaker 5>fit in the in the duck pond? John was an

0:35:37.622 --> 0:35:40.222
<v Speaker 5>I don't malign him, but he was one of the

0:35:40.222 --> 0:35:43.062
<v Speaker 5>oddest ducks in the pond, which is good, right, you

0:35:43.182 --> 0:35:45.582
<v Speaker 5>need him, you don't want everybody swim in the.

0:35:45.542 --> 0:35:51.022
<v Speaker 2>Same Initially, Rathbin was open to the possibility of suicide,

0:35:51.622 --> 0:35:55.822
<v Speaker 2>but he's become increasingly skeptical over time because if Aja

0:35:55.942 --> 0:35:59.382
<v Speaker 2>had killed himself, he thinks his body or some trace

0:35:59.422 --> 0:36:02.902
<v Speaker 2>of him would have turned up by now. So Auji's

0:36:02.902 --> 0:36:06.222
<v Speaker 2>colleagues are divided on what happened to him. It's kind

0:36:06.222 --> 0:36:08.102
<v Speaker 2>of like those faces seen in the rocks at the

0:36:08.102 --> 0:36:12.462
<v Speaker 2>Devil's punch Bowl. Same details, but interpreted in different ways.

0:36:13.302 --> 0:36:16.782
<v Speaker 2>And that makes sense because we feel conflicted about it too.

0:36:18.022 --> 0:36:21.742
<v Speaker 2>Aujay did say some eerie things about disappearing, but this

0:36:21.862 --> 0:36:25.342
<v Speaker 2>disappearing act would be pretty hard to pull off. I mean,

0:36:25.422 --> 0:36:27.982
<v Speaker 2>how could he have buried himself and stay buried for

0:36:28.022 --> 0:36:34.262
<v Speaker 2>almost three decades. Rathmin asked the Sheriff's department to explain

0:36:34.302 --> 0:36:34.862
<v Speaker 2>that one.

0:36:35.702 --> 0:36:38.182
<v Speaker 5>They said, well, we think he might have sat on

0:36:38.262 --> 0:36:41.302
<v Speaker 5>the edge of one of those minds and blown himself

0:36:41.302 --> 0:36:47.102
<v Speaker 5>into the mind figure. Okay, we are really stretching now

0:36:47.342 --> 0:36:52.982
<v Speaker 5>for an explanation as to why we can't find him.

0:36:53.062 --> 0:36:58.502
<v Speaker 6>I didn't accept it. Just common sense told me you

0:36:58.582 --> 0:37:01.302
<v Speaker 6>probably ought to see whether there's any evidence of self.

0:37:01.022 --> 0:37:06.822
<v Speaker 3>Infliction, pissed off Old Capp. Mike Bauer is evangelical in

0:37:06.862 --> 0:37:11.462
<v Speaker 3>his belief that the suicide theory bullshit, because he says

0:37:11.782 --> 0:37:15.822
<v Speaker 3>the Sheriff's Department didn't arrive at this conclusion, they led

0:37:15.862 --> 0:37:19.542
<v Speaker 3>with it, and that poisoned the investigation from the start.

0:37:20.822 --> 0:37:23.822
<v Speaker 3>Bower says that as early as day three, an LASD

0:37:23.902 --> 0:37:27.942
<v Speaker 3>official was pushing the suicide narrative during search team briefings.

0:37:28.542 --> 0:37:32.422
<v Speaker 3>To Bauer, this was equivalent to telling searchers to let up.

0:37:33.902 --> 0:37:37.662
<v Speaker 6>I took that person outside, and I said, what and

0:37:37.742 --> 0:37:40.622
<v Speaker 6>the hell did you say that for? How could you

0:37:40.742 --> 0:37:44.302
<v Speaker 6>possibly know that at this point? How could you possibly

0:37:44.422 --> 0:37:47.622
<v Speaker 6>discourage them to search for somebody that worked for you?

0:37:49.102 --> 0:37:52.582
<v Speaker 3>The Sheriff's Department was even sharing this theory with the press.

0:37:53.062 --> 0:37:55.662
<v Speaker 9>We haven't ruled out the possibility of suicide, but we

0:37:55.702 --> 0:37:57.862
<v Speaker 9>don't have any evidence to support that that's what he

0:37:57.902 --> 0:37:58.422
<v Speaker 9>came here to do.

0:37:59.782 --> 0:38:03.102
<v Speaker 3>Bower thinks it's irresponsible to promote the suicide theory without

0:38:03.102 --> 0:38:06.222
<v Speaker 3>a high degree of certainty, so he prodded the department

0:38:06.382 --> 0:38:07.382
<v Speaker 3>to keep investigating.

0:38:08.342 --> 0:38:12.622
<v Speaker 6>I kept contacting homicide and saying, something's wrong.

0:38:12.782 --> 0:38:14.582
<v Speaker 5>I'm telling you there's a problem.

0:38:15.502 --> 0:38:17.822
<v Speaker 3>But he says, the apartment ignored the case to such

0:38:17.822 --> 0:38:20.902
<v Speaker 3>an extent. But he began to question their motives.

0:38:21.582 --> 0:38:24.622
<v Speaker 6>Nobody was in charge of it, and nobody wanted any

0:38:24.662 --> 0:38:27.942
<v Speaker 6>of it once they saw how stinky it was getting.

0:38:32.462 --> 0:38:36.222
<v Speaker 2>Randy meggerdly represents the other end of the spectrum, so

0:38:36.262 --> 0:38:38.902
<v Speaker 2>we ask him what he thinks about the possibility of

0:38:38.982 --> 0:38:39.582
<v Speaker 2>foul play.

0:38:40.662 --> 0:38:43.342
<v Speaker 7>I referred to myself as a mushroom. They just feed

0:38:43.342 --> 0:38:45.222
<v Speaker 7>me a little bit of poop every once in a while.

0:38:45.582 --> 0:38:47.942
<v Speaker 7>I wasn't in the know on that whole thing.

0:38:48.582 --> 0:38:50.742
<v Speaker 1>I've never heard the mushroom poop batafore before.

0:38:51.102 --> 0:38:53.062
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, yeah, oh, you seed you a little bit of poop,

0:38:53.102 --> 0:38:54.742
<v Speaker 7>et you grow a little bit.

0:38:57.342 --> 0:39:00.582
<v Speaker 2>At first, the mushroom poop analogy went way over my head.

0:39:01.142 --> 0:39:03.902
<v Speaker 2>It sounded like a Southern expression. My mom just forgot

0:39:03.902 --> 0:39:04.502
<v Speaker 2>to teach me.

0:39:05.302 --> 0:39:06.302
<v Speaker 1>But then it clicked.

0:39:06.502 --> 0:39:09.662
<v Speaker 2>While I was watching The Departed, the Martin Score Seats movie,

0:39:09.742 --> 0:39:12.342
<v Speaker 2>about corruption within the Boston Police Department.

0:39:13.102 --> 0:39:15.942
<v Speaker 12>My theory, Unfeeds is they're like mushrooms, feed him shit

0:39:16.022 --> 0:39:16.782
<v Speaker 12>and keep them in the dock.

0:39:18.302 --> 0:39:20.822
<v Speaker 2>I think what Megerdley is saying is that he doesn't

0:39:20.822 --> 0:39:23.342
<v Speaker 2>ask a lot of questions because he prefers to be

0:39:23.422 --> 0:39:25.982
<v Speaker 2>kept in the dark about things that don't concern him

0:39:26.742 --> 0:39:29.822
<v Speaker 2>and who can really blame him? I mean, law enforcement

0:39:29.862 --> 0:39:33.662
<v Speaker 2>agencies are not exactly known for their culture of transparency.

0:39:34.822 --> 0:39:38.822
<v Speaker 5>That file. You'd have to get special, special permission to

0:39:38.822 --> 0:39:39.582
<v Speaker 5>touch that file.

0:39:40.822 --> 0:39:44.742
<v Speaker 2>Dave Rathman, Auj's former partner, says, the Sheriff's department is

0:39:44.822 --> 0:39:48.902
<v Speaker 2>unusually protective of the AUJ case file, and they.

0:39:48.742 --> 0:39:53.022
<v Speaker 5>Don't even like to hear you talking about it. Well,

0:39:53.702 --> 0:39:57.582
<v Speaker 5>to me, that's what you would call a red flag.

0:39:59.822 --> 0:40:03.222
<v Speaker 2>So Rathman asked his buddy, a retired detective working cold

0:40:03.262 --> 0:40:06.222
<v Speaker 2>cases for the Sheriff's apartment to review the AUJ case.

0:40:07.302 --> 0:40:10.942
<v Speaker 5>Could you maybe grab that case file? And he went,

0:40:11.022 --> 0:40:14.302
<v Speaker 5>oh no. I said, what do you mean, Oh no,

0:40:15.422 --> 0:40:17.582
<v Speaker 5>Why wouldn't you want to take a look at it?

0:40:17.662 --> 0:40:19.782
<v Speaker 5>He said, no, that's a hot potato. No one's allowed

0:40:19.822 --> 0:40:22.422
<v Speaker 5>to touch that. If I start poking around that case

0:40:23.022 --> 0:40:26.902
<v Speaker 5>they'd let me go. I said, well, that's interesting. Why

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<v Speaker 5>it's a suicide. He said, I don't know. I just

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<v Speaker 5>know that that case can't be touched.

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<v Speaker 2>Those red flags are another reason Rappit and others just

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<v Speaker 2>can't get behind the party line.

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<v Speaker 5>As my father would say, God bless him. There's some

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<v Speaker 5>rotten in the woodpile and it stinks and I can

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<v Speaker 5>smell it, and.

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<v Speaker 1>That brings us back to the poop mushroom.

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<v Speaker 2>It might thrive in darkness, but to me, that's not

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<v Speaker 2>an ideal environment for policing. I mean, the whole concept

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<v Speaker 2>behind law enforcement is it watchful eyed, deter crime. Right

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<v Speaker 2>who is watching the police? There's very little oversight of

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<v Speaker 2>law enforcement agencies, and it's hard to hold them accountable

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<v Speaker 2>since they control the collection and release of information about

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<v Speaker 2>internal problems.

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<v Speaker 6>The philosophy of the Sheriff's department is to hide it,

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<v Speaker 6>and the philosophy of government in a lot of respects

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<v Speaker 6>is that way. Now, with the terrible way they handle

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<v Speaker 6>public records requests and stuff, they just basically stonewall you.

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<v Speaker 6>They gave you the middle finger. If you're asking for

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<v Speaker 6>something that the public has a right to know.

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<v Speaker 3>Tell me about it. Bauer. We tried with those public

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<v Speaker 3>records requests and got the proverbial middle finger. Without access

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<v Speaker 3>to the information, it's hard for us to know how

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<v Speaker 3>the Sheriff's department handled the Auj case, and we'd remain

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<v Speaker 3>in the dark if it weren't for Mike Bauer and

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<v Speaker 3>other deputies coming forward. Bauer retired in two thousand and

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<v Speaker 3>two and has spent the better part of his retirement

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<v Speaker 3>investigating Auj's disappearance, and he's uncovered what looks like some

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<v Speaker 3>pretty damning information about the Sheriff's department.

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<v Speaker 5>They lied to me.

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<v Speaker 16>They lied to me as a fucking captain of the

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<v Speaker 16>fucking Sheriff's department with thirty three years on the job.

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<v Speaker 16>They fucking lie to me while I'm in charge of

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<v Speaker 16>Sheriff's intelligence. They're fucking lying to me about what they're

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<v Speaker 16>doing at homicide to shut this thing up.

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<v Speaker 6>They don't want me involved in it.

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<v Speaker 16>Oh imagine that's how fancy that is.

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<v Speaker 3>We know that law enforcement has its problems, but they're

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<v Speaker 3>not usually laid out for us by dyed in the

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<v Speaker 3>wool cops, people who know this world from the inside

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<v Speaker 3>and can show us where the bodies are buried. Figuratively speaking,

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<v Speaker 3>we tell Bauer, we want to do a deep dive

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<v Speaker 3>on the Aujay case, beginning with his investigation.

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<v Speaker 6>You guys have stumbled into a cluster of shit.

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<v Speaker 3>But he's not as encouraging as we expect him to be,

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<v Speaker 3>and for good reason.

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<v Speaker 2>Any advice for us while looking into this disappearance.

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<v Speaker 6>I wouldn't do it alone. In the event somebody did

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<v Speaker 6>decide that you were getting too close to something, you

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<v Speaker 6>will not be found killed. You will simply disappear.

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<v Speaker 3>This season on Valley of Shadows.

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<v Speaker 5>Early on, I let the suicide theory sit at fifty

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<v Speaker 5>to fifty. As I've learned more and more, I'm at

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<v Speaker 5>about murder five to ten percent suicide.

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<v Speaker 1>They ruler around the drug scene, was that a deputy

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<v Speaker 1>stumbled onto something he shouldn't have and he was taken

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<v Speaker 1>care of. I'm here, it's shit on the street minute.

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<v Speaker 5>I he didn't kid suicide, he was murdered.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm here for more than one person.

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<v Speaker 12>And I started hearing some rumors that there.

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<v Speaker 15>Was and yet there's no indication that gun was ever

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<v Speaker 15>booked into evidence.

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<v Speaker 12>If you're at it or they thought you were gonna rat,

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<v Speaker 12>there wasn't. Hey don't do that ever again, you're done.

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<v Speaker 12>They got rid of you. So that's where the murders

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<v Speaker 12>came in.

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<v Speaker 8>He was describing with his hands and his arms and

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<v Speaker 8>his whole body where this cop was buried at.

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<v Speaker 6>In other words, it's not safe not because of criminals,

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<v Speaker 6>it's not safe because of law enforcement. And there's nothing

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<v Speaker 6>worse than that.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, dude, we're getting like pretty far out in the

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<v Speaker 3>middle of nowhere and no one knows where out here.

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<v Speaker 5>You've got to be careful where you go and who

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<v Speaker 5>you talk to.

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<v Speaker 3>If you have any information or tips to the disappearance

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<v Speaker 3>of John Aujay, please call two one three two six

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<v Speaker 3>two nine eight eight nine for email Shadows at pushkin

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<v Speaker 3>dot FM. Valley of Shadows is reported, written and produced

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<v Speaker 3>by us Haley Fox and Betsy Shepherd. Our editor is

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<v Speaker 3>Diane Hodson. Our executive producers are Jacob Smith and Alexandra Garreton.

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<v Speaker 3>Original music by Jake Gorsky, Ray Lynch, Mike Jersich, and

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<v Speaker 3>Hayden Gardner. Sound designed by Jake Gorsky, fact checking by

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<v Speaker 3>Onica Robbins, additional production support by Sonya Gurwitt and Our

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<v Speaker 3>show art was designed by Sean Karney and Betsy Sheppard

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<v Speaker 3>Special thanks to Nick White for show art photography. Additional

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