WEBVTT - Conversations with Jacey Duprie 0:00:02.160 --> 0:00:06.680 This is Conversationous with Olivia Jade and I Heart Radio podcast. 0:00:07.560 --> 0:00:13.040 Hello everybody, it's Olivia Jade. No surprise here, Welcome back 0:00:13.160 --> 0:00:16.880 to another episode of Conversations Today. I have a very 0:00:16.880 --> 0:00:20.960 special guest and I want to let her take it away, 0:00:21.040 --> 0:00:24.480 give you her whole intro, because she does many many things, 0:00:24.720 --> 0:00:28.000 and um, I think we could all be very inspired 0:00:28.040 --> 0:00:35.760 and learned something from her. Socals. Welcome Jacy, Hello, Hello 0:00:35.840 --> 0:00:39.720 j c. H. Nice to virtually meet you. Welcome to 0:00:39.760 --> 0:00:42.960 the podcast. So nice to virtually meet you. You know, 0:00:43.080 --> 0:00:47.320 I am I'm really close with Amanda Clutes, no way, 0:00:47.560 --> 0:00:49.360 She's one of my girls, and so when I was 0:00:49.360 --> 0:00:52.519 watching her on Dancing with the Stars, I was so 0:00:52.640 --> 0:00:54.920 torn because I have such a fan of yours as well, 0:00:54.960 --> 0:00:57.800 and I'm like, go a man, wait now, Olivia, I 0:00:58.000 --> 0:01:02.040 was mocky rooting for Amanda too though she was so good. 0:01:02.480 --> 0:01:04.559 She's such a good dancer. Oh my god, in saying, 0:01:04.600 --> 0:01:06.560 she's also just like an angel of a human. I 0:01:06.600 --> 0:01:09.160 adore her. I adore her, our kids go to school together, 0:01:09.280 --> 0:01:11.560 like love her to death. She's the best. Oh that's 0:01:11.560 --> 0:01:13.920 so cute. How old are your kids? She's three and 0:01:13.920 --> 0:01:19.200 a half. Yeah, so cute. Well that's a great connecting 0:01:19.240 --> 0:01:21.480 point because she's the best. I love her so much, 0:01:21.600 --> 0:01:26.000 But meet you, I know, I agree. Um, do you 0:01:26.040 --> 0:01:28.959 want to maybe tell the listeners a little bit about yourself, 0:01:29.000 --> 0:01:30.960 who you are, what you do, just to give them 0:01:30.959 --> 0:01:34.040 an idea for those who don't know. My name is 0:01:34.120 --> 0:01:38.040 Ja C. Dupree and I have been a digital entrepreneur, influencer, 0:01:38.080 --> 0:01:40.959 blogger or whatever you want to call us for man 0:01:41.080 --> 0:01:44.200 over ten years. And I just released a book. It's 0:01:44.200 --> 0:01:46.640 called Liking Myself Back. It comes out on June seven, 0:01:46.800 --> 0:01:50.680 and it's pretty much about my history, um, you know, 0:01:50.840 --> 0:01:53.120 on the frontier of being what it means to be 0:01:53.120 --> 0:01:55.360 an influencer and kind of what that looked like in 0:01:55.360 --> 0:01:59.320 the early early days before you know, TikTok and Instagram, um. 0:01:59.360 --> 0:02:02.280 And it's kind of story about my journey of how I, 0:02:02.440 --> 0:02:07.080 um really learned to self love, you know, more so 0:02:07.160 --> 0:02:10.200 than relying on the acceptance of others on social media, 0:02:10.240 --> 0:02:12.519 which is a challenge. I'm sure we all faced the 0:02:12.600 --> 0:02:15.040 social media inmplemencers um. And so yeah, it's kind of 0:02:15.080 --> 0:02:17.040 my journey that's how I got here. I love that 0:02:17.200 --> 0:02:19.440 I actually can relate to that a little bit because 0:02:19.480 --> 0:02:22.400 I started my YouTube channel when I was fourteen, so 0:02:22.480 --> 0:02:24.840 that was almost like eight or nine years ago now, 0:02:24.840 --> 0:02:28.560 which is so weird. But it's so different than what 0:02:28.919 --> 0:02:31.760 it used to be like now, especially because I feel 0:02:31.800 --> 0:02:34.280 like I took a break from social media and then 0:02:34.320 --> 0:02:37.400 when I had come back, TikTok was a like a 0:02:37.440 --> 0:02:41.040 platform and I am so I'm still lost and I'm 0:02:41.080 --> 0:02:43.919 supposed to be like the same age as everybody that's 0:02:43.919 --> 0:02:48.119 making all these TikTok's. I just no, no, no, add 0:02:48.240 --> 0:02:50.040 I look at I look at your account. You're probably 0:02:50.040 --> 0:02:51.640 looking at others too. I mean that's kind of what 0:02:51.680 --> 0:02:53.280 we all do, right, we all learned from each other, 0:02:53.280 --> 0:02:55.040 and I don't think anyone really knows what they're doing. 0:02:55.240 --> 0:02:57.560 And I was like, you know, fake until you make it. 0:02:57.600 --> 0:03:00.560 But you're so right in that. The industry, I mean, 0:03:00.600 --> 0:03:03.560 technology just advances so quickly, and the industry is shifting 0:03:03.680 --> 0:03:06.200 so quickly that sometimes it's hard to keep up. UM, 0:03:06.400 --> 0:03:08.919 But I think it's good to take those breaks. Yeah, totally. 0:03:09.000 --> 0:03:11.200 What's like your thing that you do on social media 0:03:11.200 --> 0:03:14.480 and that you talk about, like, how did you start? Um? Well, 0:03:14.480 --> 0:03:17.079 I first started out just with my blog. UM. It's 0:03:17.080 --> 0:03:20.360 called damsel Indior dot com and I would literally just 0:03:20.440 --> 0:03:22.720 post like whatever I was into. Again, this was like 0:03:22.760 --> 0:03:25.639 ten years ago when blogs were like the thing. I 0:03:25.680 --> 0:03:29.840 didn't have an Instagram and at the time and UM, 0:03:29.880 --> 0:03:33.000 I just posted kind of like style tips, close beauty, 0:03:33.120 --> 0:03:34.880 just everything that I was into. I posted about our 0:03:34.880 --> 0:03:38.280 travels and eventually my followers who had a really close 0:03:38.360 --> 0:03:41.440 relationship with UM and they were very engaged at the time. 0:03:41.440 --> 0:03:43.360 I still are, thank god, and we have a very 0:03:43.400 --> 0:03:46.920 strong engaged audience. I am. I would like kind of 0:03:46.960 --> 0:03:49.480 post a little bit of myself, not too much, like 0:03:50.120 --> 0:03:53.040 I don't love being in front of the camera. Here 0:03:53.080 --> 0:03:55.480 I am always in front of the camera. So in 0:03:55.560 --> 0:03:57.640 the beginning I would just kind of sprinkle it and 0:03:57.680 --> 0:03:59.240 they were like, we want more, we want to see 0:03:59.280 --> 0:04:02.840 these outfits on you UM. And I just quickly learned 0:04:02.880 --> 0:04:04.920 that those posts would do the best, you know, they 0:04:04.920 --> 0:04:07.800 would get like crazy amounts of engagement and we would 0:04:07.840 --> 0:04:10.640 sell more products as a result through the blog. UM. 0:04:10.640 --> 0:04:14.640 And then eventually, you know, we started I started Instagram. UM. 0:04:14.720 --> 0:04:17.240 I started Instagram pretty late. Actually, my main bread and 0:04:17.279 --> 0:04:21.000 butter is my blog UM. But yeah, on Instagram, it's 0:04:21.040 --> 0:04:23.920 really now it's just kind of a document of a 0:04:24.000 --> 0:04:27.600 documentation of my life really and I share everything from 0:04:27.600 --> 0:04:29.760 what I'm wearing on a dayta basis, But I would 0:04:29.800 --> 0:04:32.279 say more it's now lifestyle, especially now that we do 0:04:32.360 --> 0:04:35.520 have a child. It's harder to get dressed every day 0:04:35.560 --> 0:04:37.279 and like show people who I'm doing that when you 0:04:37.360 --> 0:04:40.479 have like a three year old totally. Um, So yeah, 0:04:40.520 --> 0:04:43.719 it's it's definitely evolved and grown and shifted over the 0:04:43.760 --> 0:04:47.359 past ten years, as as humans do and as businesses do. Yeah, 0:04:47.400 --> 0:04:49.920 I love that. I also relate to that a lot too, 0:04:49.920 --> 0:04:54.320 because I feel like whenever I think this goes across 0:04:54.360 --> 0:04:56.040 the board, and I think it has something to do 0:04:56.080 --> 0:04:58.800 with just our core human beings are a little bit 0:04:58.880 --> 0:05:01.480 nosy and we love to being other people's business and 0:05:01.520 --> 0:05:03.800 like see their lives a little bit. But I've noticed 0:05:03.800 --> 0:05:07.800 too on social media, Um, the engagement is so much 0:05:07.880 --> 0:05:10.640 higher when it's like personal stuff for me in front 0:05:10.640 --> 0:05:14.760 of the camera versus me like talking about something. It's 0:05:15.600 --> 0:05:17.840 like night and day. But you did grow up in 0:05:17.880 --> 0:05:21.120 a small town in Texas, correct, That's right, a very 0:05:21.120 --> 0:05:23.880 small town. So how did you was that? Were you 0:05:23.920 --> 0:05:26.360 surrounded by kind of like fashion and beauty and all 0:05:26.400 --> 0:05:30.200 of that are totally opposite at all. I was surrounded 0:05:30.800 --> 0:05:33.840 by cotton fields and a farm with animals on it, 0:05:33.920 --> 0:05:36.560 and no, not at all surrounded by fashion. My mom 0:05:36.680 --> 0:05:41.000 was really into it. Like for my high school graduation, 0:05:41.320 --> 0:05:43.479 she got me a Louis Bitan backpack, which was like 0:05:43.600 --> 0:05:46.719 a huge deal at the time. Nobody Batan in my 0:05:46.839 --> 0:05:49.000 high school. No one even knew what it want, like 0:05:49.200 --> 0:05:51.120 was I remember taking it to school like on my 0:05:51.200 --> 0:05:52.840 last day of school and I was like, I'm ready 0:05:52.880 --> 0:05:55.000 for college and all the girls at school were like, 0:05:55.040 --> 0:06:00.640 what is this brown backpack? Like wow? Well, I promised um, 0:06:00.680 --> 0:06:03.880 but no, it wasn't like a big deal back home 0:06:04.080 --> 0:06:06.800 to be into fashion. I actually fell in love with 0:06:06.880 --> 0:06:09.520 fashion style when I went to college in Chicago. Um 0:06:09.640 --> 0:06:13.039 My aunts lest had a store women's boutique on Armitage 0:06:13.279 --> 0:06:16.160 and Lincoln Park, and I worked for her store. And 0:06:16.200 --> 0:06:18.080 this was back when like Sex in the City was 0:06:18.160 --> 0:06:21.000 like the IT Show and she would have like all 0:06:21.000 --> 0:06:23.039 the brands that they would wear in the show in 0:06:23.080 --> 0:06:25.760 her store. And so I just kind of like all 0:06:25.760 --> 0:06:27.880 the pieces of the puzzle kind of started to really 0:06:28.120 --> 0:06:30.400 put like be put together at that point in my 0:06:30.480 --> 0:06:32.320 life because I was in a bigger city with more 0:06:32.320 --> 0:06:34.240 events and things to dress up for, like my sorority 0:06:34.240 --> 0:06:36.520 parties and stuff like that. And my girls that you know, 0:06:36.560 --> 0:06:38.160 took me under their wings and they were like, this 0:06:38.240 --> 0:06:41.320 is how you get dressed. Got it okay? So it 0:06:41.360 --> 0:06:43.240 was a little bit later in life for you to 0:06:43.400 --> 0:06:46.440 like really establish your love for fashion. It was in college. 0:06:46.480 --> 0:06:48.880 But yeah, like I loved playing dress up on the farm. 0:06:48.920 --> 0:06:51.719 I would always you know, play like Alice in Wonderland 0:06:51.760 --> 0:06:55.040 and play with like the flower girl dress that even 0:06:55.080 --> 0:06:58.320 at my cousin's wedding. Um, but I started to really 0:06:58.360 --> 0:07:00.360 dial it in in college. I would say, that's awesome. 0:07:00.400 --> 0:07:02.200 And that's when I'm assuming you started the blog then. 0:07:02.880 --> 0:07:04.760 I actually started the blog when I moved out to 0:07:04.960 --> 0:07:08.880 l A. After college. Blogs didn't exist back then. I'm 0:07:08.920 --> 0:07:14.480 a little older than you. You don't look it, and 0:07:14.840 --> 0:07:19.080 h l A, No, I didn't see my blog. I 0:07:19.120 --> 0:07:21.800 started in two thousand eleven, which was kind of when 0:07:21.880 --> 0:07:24.760 blogs were like becoming a thing. When I was in college, 0:07:25.200 --> 0:07:28.280 the board blog didn't even exist. Um, who were there? 0:07:28.320 --> 0:07:30.400 And all those sites like weren't a thing quite yet. 0:07:30.440 --> 0:07:33.800 People were still very much into traditional media magazines and 0:07:33.840 --> 0:07:36.600 things of that nature. There were a couple of um, 0:07:36.640 --> 0:07:39.480 like style websites, like I would write for Style Chicago 0:07:39.720 --> 0:07:41.520 because I was really into it, but it didn't quite 0:07:41.640 --> 0:07:44.360 exist yet. Um that would have been awesome. Howd it 0:07:44.400 --> 0:07:46.920 existed during that time would have been really exciting. Yeah. 0:07:47.040 --> 0:07:49.160 I always think about that though, because I feel like 0:07:49.760 --> 0:07:53.440 this could be um at not controversial, but I feel 0:07:53.440 --> 0:07:56.080 like some people may disagree I and I think it's 0:07:56.080 --> 0:07:58.680 ironic that I'm about to say this considering my job 0:07:58.720 --> 0:08:01.560 as in social media and I'm like the generation of 0:08:01.600 --> 0:08:05.160 social media, I feel like, but I do sometimes wish 0:08:05.360 --> 0:08:08.320 that like it was kind of back, not back to 0:08:08.360 --> 0:08:10.920 how it used to be like before my time. I 0:08:10.920 --> 0:08:12.960 guess I didn't even experience it, but there's a part 0:08:12.960 --> 0:08:14.800 of me and I'm always curious to hear, like other 0:08:14.800 --> 0:08:17.080 people that are in the same industry, like their thoughts 0:08:17.080 --> 0:08:20.040 on it, um about just social media in general, and 0:08:20.040 --> 0:08:23.240 like where we're at now in two versus how and 0:08:23.320 --> 0:08:25.280 just how it affects you, I think, like on a 0:08:25.320 --> 0:08:28.040 more personal level and how much more reach we have, 0:08:28.200 --> 0:08:30.600 and like, I'm just curious to hear your thoughts on 0:08:30.680 --> 0:08:36.480 it because this audience has heard me blabble about this forever. Well, 0:08:36.520 --> 0:08:38.880 I think it is very very interesting, and I think 0:08:38.920 --> 0:08:42.920 it's going to be really cool and interesting and hopefully 0:08:43.000 --> 0:08:46.200 not scary to see how um this affects us like 0:08:46.200 --> 0:08:49.560 as a society in more years, you know, like, where 0:08:49.600 --> 0:08:51.439 are we going to be with social media? How is 0:08:51.440 --> 0:08:54.240 the technology going to change? I was literally just yesterday 0:08:54.240 --> 0:08:57.440 watching a Ted talk um with the CEO of Instagram. 0:08:57.440 --> 0:09:00.840 He was speaking and and he you was arguing that 0:09:00.880 --> 0:09:03.520 in ten years the technology is going to just shift 0:09:03.559 --> 0:09:06.679 so much that he's hoping that it it won't be 0:09:06.840 --> 0:09:10.079 as um like company driven, as like Emily driven. It 0:09:10.160 --> 0:09:12.360 will be more on the like the creators owning their 0:09:12.400 --> 0:09:16.320 relationships with their audience without getting like too hairy into 0:09:16.360 --> 0:09:19.280 like the tech side. I do think that we're in 0:09:19.320 --> 0:09:21.440 a place right now. I at least I think so 0:09:21.640 --> 0:09:26.200 with social media TikTok, Instagram, you name it, um, where 0:09:26.200 --> 0:09:28.719 people are smart now and they I think that they're 0:09:28.760 --> 0:09:31.000 more self aware of the impact that it has and 0:09:31.040 --> 0:09:32.600 the toll that it has on their mental health. At 0:09:32.679 --> 0:09:35.280 least I believe that they do. I know, I certainly do, 0:09:35.800 --> 0:09:37.840 But there were some growing pains that came along with that, 0:09:37.960 --> 0:09:41.400 right um, And maybe not everyone is like they're like 0:09:41.800 --> 0:09:44.840 my mom, for example, is not quite there. Right, we'll 0:09:44.840 --> 0:09:49.520 get there hopefully. Um, but I think your generation unlike mine, 0:09:50.080 --> 0:09:51.959 Like you guys, I think at least and might be 0:09:52.000 --> 0:09:53.600 speaking at a turn, but I feel like you know 0:09:53.640 --> 0:09:55.800 what you're signing up for. Like I didn't really know 0:09:55.800 --> 0:09:57.880 what I was signing up for when I started my Instagram. 0:09:57.880 --> 0:09:59.679 I didn't know that ment, Like my whole life is 0:09:59.720 --> 0:10:03.000 going to just think that people, you know, ten years 0:10:03.000 --> 0:10:06.120 fifteen years younger than I am, at least like my 0:10:06.200 --> 0:10:08.520 friends kids, because that's how old I am. They know 0:10:08.600 --> 0:10:10.959 what they're signing up for al right, Like if I'm 0:10:10.960 --> 0:10:13.160 going to post this on my Instagram or my TikTok, 0:10:13.720 --> 0:10:16.120 like I know what that means. You guys were like 0:10:16.200 --> 0:10:18.840 way more advanced and smarter than we are. No, not 0:10:18.920 --> 0:10:21.120 at all. I just think that times are are so 0:10:21.200 --> 0:10:24.160 different because even I remember when Instagram first came out. 0:10:24.200 --> 0:10:26.520 I was twelve, I think, and I had made an 0:10:26.559 --> 0:10:29.360 account and my mom wouldn't let me have a public account. 0:10:29.360 --> 0:10:33.160 I had to be um private. And then I remember, 0:10:33.559 --> 0:10:35.880 I remember this really clearly, and it's actually kind of 0:10:35.880 --> 0:10:38.640 freaky because I was twelve when I had made it 0:10:38.720 --> 0:10:41.400 and then I remember like kind of disobeying her and 0:10:41.440 --> 0:10:45.680 like going on public, and somehow, I guess some people 0:10:45.720 --> 0:10:49.080 had figured out that um my mom was on full house. 0:10:49.080 --> 0:10:54.040 So people were requesting my Instagram and I accepted all 0:10:54.080 --> 0:10:55.840 of them because I was like, hell, yeah, this is awesome. 0:10:55.920 --> 0:10:58.120 And I didn't know either, like what what that meant? 0:10:58.160 --> 0:11:00.600 It was it was a new platform, and I start 0:11:00.679 --> 0:11:03.719 accepting all these random people, and I remember like swiping 0:11:03.760 --> 0:11:06.240 down and seeing the follower account go up, and at 0:11:06.320 --> 0:11:08.120 such a young age, I was sitting there like this 0:11:08.200 --> 0:11:10.040 is awesome, Like look at all my followers go up. 0:11:10.080 --> 0:11:11.800 This is so cool, This is so great, and it's 0:11:11.840 --> 0:11:14.199 actually like now I think about it in my twenties 0:11:14.240 --> 0:11:16.040 and I think back to my twelve year old shelf 0:11:16.080 --> 0:11:18.840 and I'm like, that's really scary that even at that time, 0:11:19.160 --> 0:11:21.320 like it wasn't really around yet, but that's where my 0:11:21.360 --> 0:11:24.199 brain went to be like validation, more followers, this is great. 0:11:24.520 --> 0:11:26.600 So I think with all like the amazing things that 0:11:26.640 --> 0:11:29.200 come with social media, also is really freaky for like 0:11:29.240 --> 0:11:32.679 the even newer generation that's on it, because I mean, 0:11:32.760 --> 0:11:34.920 it's just so much more advanced now and there's so 0:11:35.000 --> 0:11:37.400 much more comparison and so many more people online to 0:11:37.480 --> 0:11:39.960 look at and like want to be like, and it's 0:11:40.000 --> 0:11:44.080 really wild to me. It's very, very wild, and I 0:11:44.120 --> 0:11:46.319 am I'm just like, oh my gosh, I'm thinking about 0:11:46.320 --> 0:11:49.600 my daughter and her joining is well, I'm like, what 0:11:49.640 --> 0:11:51.920 am I gonna do? But I think you know, that's 0:11:51.960 --> 0:11:54.200 when like your mom, like it sounds like she did 0:11:54.240 --> 0:11:56.000 a great job and trying to protect you from that. 0:11:56.120 --> 0:11:58.719 Probably yeah, I think she didn't even know what it 0:11:58.920 --> 0:12:01.960 was like at that point in time. I don't think 0:12:02.000 --> 0:12:05.000 anybody really knew because I mean it hadn't taken off yet, 0:12:05.000 --> 0:12:08.680 even YouTube, like there were some big YouTubers and content creators, 0:12:08.679 --> 0:12:12.000 but it wasn't like a job. I was like, yeah, 0:12:12.160 --> 0:12:14.200 that was in the very beginning. I totally get that too, 0:12:14.280 --> 0:12:17.640 I think. And that's that's also like what to bring 0:12:17.720 --> 0:12:19.000 it back to the book, That is like kind of 0:12:19.040 --> 0:12:20.760 what I'm talking about in this book, and I hope 0:12:20.800 --> 0:12:23.360 that people will take from it. I mean, even girls 0:12:23.400 --> 0:12:26.040 that are like twelve fifteen, this is a great read 0:12:26.120 --> 0:12:29.400 for them because, um, I'm diving into my past living 0:12:29.400 --> 0:12:31.560 in Texas on a farm, feeling like that lost girl 0:12:31.559 --> 0:12:34.200 who didn't really have a place. Um, but I'm also 0:12:34.280 --> 0:12:36.920 diving into the negative effects that social media had on 0:12:37.040 --> 0:12:40.480 my life, my career, my marriage, my friendships. It really 0:12:40.520 --> 0:12:43.600 almost like it almost cost my marriage social media did, 0:12:43.640 --> 0:12:46.720 just because I got so wrapped up into this work, 0:12:47.440 --> 0:12:49.560 um and not really knowing where to draw the line 0:12:49.559 --> 0:12:51.440 and knowing where to draw that boundary on on what 0:12:51.600 --> 0:12:54.320 to share what not to share. Um, you know, how 0:12:54.400 --> 0:12:57.480 much to really rely on those likes? I mean, my 0:12:57.520 --> 0:12:59.600 big joke is that, like, I spent ten years trying 0:12:59.600 --> 0:13:02.120 to get peop to like me, and now I'm liking 0:13:02.120 --> 0:13:05.000 myself back, which is the title of that UM. So 0:13:05.080 --> 0:13:08.040 I'm really hoping that the younger generation will read it 0:13:08.559 --> 0:13:11.080 or at least hear about it and hopefully take something 0:13:11.120 --> 0:13:13.920 from it. And just knowing that this, you know, that 0:13:13.920 --> 0:13:17.320 that validation that you get from the likes, which I 0:13:17.480 --> 0:13:22.040 myself and I just admitted, was really strong power for me. Um, 0:13:22.040 --> 0:13:25.120 it takes its toll. And it's really all about you know, 0:13:25.200 --> 0:13:28.440 finding that self worth and that self validation from within 0:13:28.679 --> 0:13:31.839 that really matters the most in life. Yeah, I need 0:13:31.920 --> 0:13:53.360 to read that. It is your husband, Um, is he 0:13:53.480 --> 0:13:56.280 like against being on your social media? Is he like 0:13:56.520 --> 0:13:59.520 not comfortably being a public he used to be. When 0:13:59.520 --> 0:14:02.040 we met, he was like if you googled his name, 0:14:02.280 --> 0:14:04.400 he was not on Google. Like he was one of 0:14:04.400 --> 0:14:08.000 those people, like the mysterious creat That's awesome. I love it. 0:14:08.120 --> 0:14:10.640 I know now I'm like so jealous. What does that 0:14:10.679 --> 0:14:14.240 feel like? That's so cool, Like one of those people. Um, 0:14:14.320 --> 0:14:16.319 And that was really appealing to me. And so when 0:14:16.320 --> 0:14:20.080 I first started, no, he was like nowhere to be found. Um. 0:14:20.120 --> 0:14:21.960 And I talked about this in the book too. We like, 0:14:22.320 --> 0:14:24.640 as I'm growing and shifting and I'm traveling to like 0:14:24.680 --> 0:14:27.280 Paris Fashion Week and Dubai and like my career is 0:14:27.280 --> 0:14:30.480 starting to really take off, Grant wasn't really there and 0:14:30.520 --> 0:14:33.160 so it really like put a fork between us and 0:14:33.160 --> 0:14:37.080 it caused a marriage. And so when push came to shove, 0:14:37.160 --> 0:14:39.280 we like literally separate in the middle of the book 0:14:39.360 --> 0:14:41.800 as a result of all this stuff just like coming 0:14:41.880 --> 0:14:44.640 up and coming up. And so he basically made the 0:14:44.680 --> 0:14:51.760 decision and he's sitting over there, sorry, very involved. Now. 0:14:52.040 --> 0:14:55.880 He made the conscious choice to get on the court 0:14:55.960 --> 0:14:58.320 with me and play ball. You know, he's like, all right, 0:14:58.360 --> 0:15:01.000 this is a family business. I'm going to invest in 0:15:01.040 --> 0:15:03.680 it now. And he just knew the importance of not 0:15:03.760 --> 0:15:06.800 just being like in front of the camera, but really 0:15:06.880 --> 0:15:10.240 just participating in my life because this is my life 0:15:10.800 --> 0:15:14.040 on display, you know, So I have to be worried 0:15:14.040 --> 0:15:17.080 about hiding a piece of it, um, which I was 0:15:17.200 --> 0:15:19.520 for so long, So many pieces that I was hiding 0:15:19.520 --> 0:15:22.560 for so long. Um, it really starts to take its 0:15:22.600 --> 0:15:26.000 toll on on me physically, mentally, emotionally in my relationships. 0:15:26.160 --> 0:15:28.840 So I saw that he saw the writing on the wall. 0:15:28.920 --> 0:15:31.440 Like again, it wasn't about just like him being on 0:15:31.480 --> 0:15:33.400 my in my pictures. It was more just him being 0:15:33.400 --> 0:15:36.160 involved in okay with everything comfortable. And now you google 0:15:36.200 --> 0:15:41.840 his name and he's everywhere. Sorry, my bad, No, no, 0:15:42.000 --> 0:15:45.480 he knows. It's all in the book. Is so funny. Um, 0:15:45.520 --> 0:15:49.160 what about your daughter three is obviously really young? Is 0:15:49.200 --> 0:15:51.440 she online with you guys or do you keep that 0:15:51.520 --> 0:15:55.400 part a little bit more private? She's the first year 0:15:55.560 --> 0:15:57.080 I was like, I'm just gonna go with my gut 0:15:57.120 --> 0:16:00.680 on this. It feels comfortable. And then the second your 0:16:00.720 --> 0:16:03.360 birthday kind of hit and we were still like sprinkling 0:16:03.360 --> 0:16:06.120 her in. And now when she's she's just turned three, 0:16:06.720 --> 0:16:08.520 I kind of like I hit a hard stop one 0:16:08.600 --> 0:16:13.080 day where I went back and deleted her. But what 0:16:13.200 --> 0:16:15.320 it was, and honestly, this is exactly what happened, and 0:16:15.320 --> 0:16:17.720 it kind of freaked me out. She goes to school 0:16:17.720 --> 0:16:20.720 in l A. It's private school, a preschool. No one 0:16:20.760 --> 0:16:22.200 knows where she goes to school. I would never posted 0:16:22.280 --> 0:16:25.520 on social media and I had I've never told you 0:16:25.560 --> 0:16:27.600 for this out of publicist reach out to me and 0:16:27.640 --> 0:16:29.640 was like, hey, my client said that you go to 0:16:29.680 --> 0:16:32.720 the same school as her kid, and I'm like, how 0:16:32.720 --> 0:16:34.920 do they even know that? And it's because they saw 0:16:35.040 --> 0:16:37.920 June at school in the parking lot getting picked up 0:16:37.960 --> 0:16:40.000 and I was like, oh my god, Like she was 0:16:40.040 --> 0:16:43.880 like getting recognized without me there, and it freaked me out. 0:16:43.920 --> 0:16:46.440 And this was like a nice woman. She's a jewelry designer. 0:16:46.440 --> 0:16:48.160 I actually love her jewelry. I'm a big fan of hers. 0:16:48.160 --> 0:16:50.000 But it's still like it was just a good wake 0:16:50.080 --> 0:16:53.520 up call. Wasn't a weird vibe thing, but like it 0:16:53.600 --> 0:16:55.600 certainly could have been, you know what I mean, Like 0:16:55.640 --> 0:16:57.560 she goes to the grocery store without me, she goes 0:16:57.600 --> 0:16:59.800 to the park without me, Like we haven't nanny, We're 0:16:59.800 --> 0:17:01.960 working full time, and she's like out in the world 0:17:02.040 --> 0:17:05.560 without me. I would hate for like a stranger or 0:17:05.560 --> 0:17:07.840 someone to come up with her, which has happened with 0:17:07.880 --> 0:17:11.760 my friends in the past, influencers with their kids. So 0:17:12.440 --> 0:17:14.760 that was kind of a wake up call. We I've 0:17:14.760 --> 0:17:17.120 been posting her a little bit more lately. We kind 0:17:17.119 --> 0:17:19.360 of like tow the line where I'm like I could 0:17:19.400 --> 0:17:23.399 it's a slippery slope and she's my whole life. Of course, 0:17:24.119 --> 0:17:27.080 I'm just obviously obsessed with her. A lot of post 0:17:27.160 --> 0:17:29.720 about her, but I have to kind of remind myself 0:17:29.760 --> 0:17:32.879 that there's you know, a half a million people following us, 0:17:32.880 --> 0:17:35.920 and I don't know them all personally. No, Yeah, for sure, 0:17:35.960 --> 0:17:38.560 that's definitely something to keep in mind, i'd imagine, especially 0:17:38.560 --> 0:17:40.399 being a mom. But I also get it on the 0:17:40.440 --> 0:17:42.959 flip side, because, as you were saying before, like you 0:17:43.000 --> 0:17:46.000 have such an engaged audience, and I sometimes feel like 0:17:46.119 --> 0:17:49.639 with that, you want to share that personal stuff, and 0:17:49.640 --> 0:17:51.440 you want to share like the struggles and like the 0:17:51.560 --> 0:17:53.720 not so great stuff about being a mom sometimes and 0:17:53.720 --> 0:17:56.520 then the beautiful things, And so I get there's probably 0:17:56.520 --> 0:17:59.840 a fine line to walk, for sure. Yeah, it's definitely 0:17:59.840 --> 0:18:02.320 like done. Some people, some of my longtime followers like 0:18:02.359 --> 0:18:04.560 we love June, we miss her, like, how is she? 0:18:04.640 --> 0:18:07.720 And I feel bad you know that they can't see 0:18:07.720 --> 0:18:10.080 her like every day because I follow some of my 0:18:10.119 --> 0:18:13.240 girlfriends who have kids. They post them every day. Like 0:18:13.640 --> 0:18:17.359 my friend um Arial Turnis, She's something navy. She posts 0:18:17.359 --> 0:18:19.399 her girls all the time, and I'm so thankful that 0:18:19.440 --> 0:18:21.000 she does that because it's like my way of keeping 0:18:21.000 --> 0:18:25.920 in touch totally. But anyway, it's it's it's a line. 0:18:25.920 --> 0:18:27.760 You got to kind of learn how to toe with 0:18:27.800 --> 0:18:30.679 your mother intuition. It's hard to ye, I'm sure. I 0:18:30.720 --> 0:18:33.520 also don't want June to be like her name is June. 0:18:33.800 --> 0:18:35.719 I don't want her to be like ten or eleven 0:18:35.760 --> 0:18:39.000 and be like, why did you post me on your Instagram? Mom? 0:18:39.440 --> 0:18:42.360 I get that too because I think about that sometimes. 0:18:42.359 --> 0:18:44.679 I think about it when I was like a baby 0:18:44.720 --> 0:18:47.840 and I look at home videos. I if my mom 0:18:47.920 --> 0:18:50.159 had shared those online of me, these home videos, Like 0:18:50.160 --> 0:18:52.439 there's one video where my sister takes my gumball and 0:18:52.480 --> 0:18:54.919 I start scream crying, and I'm like, if that was 0:18:54.960 --> 0:18:58.760 like in a vlog format on some platform somewhere, I 0:18:58.760 --> 0:19:00.600 would I would kill my mom. Mom. I would be 0:19:00.680 --> 0:19:05.360 so upset. Yeah, I just wouldn't want that. Yeah, totally. 0:19:05.680 --> 0:19:07.440 I don't want that for her either. But I also 0:19:07.520 --> 0:19:10.680 think it's dependent on like person in a situation because 0:19:10.680 --> 0:19:13.440 I feel like maybe if you had asked me that 0:19:13.800 --> 0:19:15.800 I would have a different answer a few years ago. 0:19:15.920 --> 0:19:18.199 I think now I'm like extra sensitive to like what 0:19:18.320 --> 0:19:20.679 goes online of me, just from like what's happened in 0:19:20.680 --> 0:19:23.240 the past. But I feel like, so it is dependent. 0:19:23.359 --> 0:19:26.479 But um, you just don't know like where you know 0:19:26.520 --> 0:19:29.240 the world's gonna take you, or you know what's going 0:19:29.280 --> 0:19:31.400 to happen. I don't. Maybe June wants to be like 0:19:32.080 --> 0:19:34.760 I don't know a CIA agent. She needs to be 0:19:37.080 --> 0:19:41.520 her photos all over the other. Sorry, Yeah, totally. You 0:19:41.680 --> 0:19:43.560 don't know who she's going to become, and I don't 0:19:43.600 --> 0:19:47.679 want to, you know, decide for her. Yeah, I respect that. 0:20:02.760 --> 0:20:05.600