Speaker 1: What's that at the bed? It's spooky, Hey Jukie, I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure it's dead. It's coming this way.
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, I ghosted.
Speaker 1: I los Nandaz Please hey boo. It's me Ross and
Speaker 1: welcome to Ghosted by Roz Hernandez, the podcast where I
Speaker 1: talk to people that I like about the paranormal.
Speaker 3: Ooh.
Speaker 1: This week I get to talk to the hilarious comedian
Speaker 1: and writer Rachel Pigram. Before we get to that conversation,
Speaker 1: I do have a ghost story for you. This one
Speaker 1: was emailed to me at Ghosted by Roz at gmail
Speaker 1: dot com by Chelsea, who writes I was born and
Speaker 1: raised and still live in the Bible Belt, and as
Speaker 1: a result, I've been around some pretty spooky, diehard religious
Speaker 1: folks who fully believe in angels and demons. My sister
Speaker 1: and I have had random people in church as a
Speaker 1: kid come up to us and tell us that we
Speaker 1: can see into the spiritual realm. This really scared the
Speaker 1: shit out of us and we honestly wanted no part
Speaker 1: of it. However, scary things had a tendency to follow
Speaker 1: us around. My mom, sister, and I were pretty nomadic
Speaker 1: and moved around a lot so we only lived in
Speaker 1: this rented house for maybe a year or so. It
Speaker 1: is the only house we lived in. Everywhere else were apartments,
Speaker 1: so we were excited. However, I immediately felt a scary presence.
Speaker 1: I was terrified to go anywhere by myself in the house.
Speaker 1: My sister was two. We were attached at the hip,
Speaker 1: even going to the bathroom together. I hated going to
Speaker 1: my mom's bedroom, in particular because every time I walked
Speaker 1: in there, I thought of the word beheaded. Oh God.
Speaker 1: My sister also had repeated sightings of an old woman
Speaker 1: with black holes for eyes, standing over our bed and
Speaker 1: staring at her. One time, when I got out of
Speaker 1: the shower, I was feeling particularly brave that day and
Speaker 1: didn't force my sister to wait in the bathroom or
Speaker 1: outside the door. I walked through the hallway to the bedroom.
Speaker 1: When I opened the door, a robed figure stood in
Speaker 1: the corner of the room. I froze, and then this
Speaker 1: woman glided towards me at a super fast speed. I
Speaker 1: dropped my towel and ran screaming through the hallway to
Speaker 1: my mom and sister, who were in the hitchen. I
Speaker 1: wasn't dreaming or under the influence of any kind. I
Speaker 1: saw her very clearly. And finally, one day during the summer,
Speaker 1: while my mom was at work, my sister and I
Speaker 1: were hanging in the living room like we normally would.
Speaker 1: We then started hearing loud banging and thuds coming from
Speaker 1: the backyard. We opened the blinds of the patio door
Speaker 1: and the backyard was literally black full of crows. The
Speaker 1: crows were slamming themselves into our house and our windows.
Speaker 1: We both just stood there in silence and shot. Eventually,
Speaker 1: it stopped, and we both just sort of walked back
Speaker 1: to the living room and sat in silence for a while.
Speaker 1: We then got our wits back and called our mom,
Speaker 1: freaking out. But when we walked back to the patio
Speaker 1: door as we were talking on the phone, there was
Speaker 1: nothing there, no signs of crows flying or dead crows
Speaker 1: on the ground. It makes absolutely no sense, but it
Speaker 1: was terrifying. Finally, as we were moving out, a neighbor
Speaker 1: told us that the previous owner of the house, who
Speaker 1: was an old woman, had died alone in that house.
Speaker 1: That would have been nice to know, Chelse, Chelsea, that's
Speaker 1: too scary. No, I love it, It's really good, but
Speaker 1: oh my god, that's one of the scarier ones I've
Speaker 1: heard in a minute. Thank you so much for sending that,
Speaker 1: and anyone listening, please send in your stories. I love
Speaker 1: reading these. Please keep them coming. Okay, let's get to
Speaker 1: my conversation with the hilarious Rachel pegrim On with the show.
Speaker 1: Hi Rachel, Hi, welcome to my spooky world.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, thank you for having me.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm so happy that you're here. You're
Speaker 1: such a funny comedian.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, thank you.
Speaker 1: So are you? We have so much a comment. Do you?
Speaker 1: Are you somebody that thinks about the paranormal, the supernatural,
Speaker 1: the other side?
Speaker 2: Absolutely? Yes. Why you know?
Speaker 3: I feel I feel like it's ever present in some ways,
Speaker 3: like an energy in a space to.
Speaker 2: Me, like, oh, you're walking in somewhere. Something's up, something's
Speaker 2: happened here.
Speaker 3: You know, something's going on in this space. I, for one,
Speaker 3: don't have the gift of being able to say.
Speaker 2: Oh, I can feel it. I don't know what it is.
Speaker 2: I just can feel something's off.
Speaker 1: Yes, I always think about like would you enter like
Speaker 1: a break room or like a green room or something
Speaker 1: you're like somebody here?
Speaker 2: Yes, used to.
Speaker 1: Date somebody and I could tell that it's a weird
Speaker 1: somethings weird in this room.
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
Speaker 1: I think that stand up comedians have to have that,
Speaker 1: whether they think they do or not. Like you have
Speaker 1: to know how to read a room.
Speaker 3: You would think you will hope, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: you were really hope.
Speaker 2: There are some people I would say that's not in
Speaker 2: their wheelhouse.
Speaker 1: Right exactly, but I think it's It's definitely an important
Speaker 1: skill just to pick up on those vibes.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: It definitely helps because you can hear them laugh so
Speaker 1: that you know, if I need should I keep doing?
Speaker 1: You know, if I say something a little dirty, I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: they liked that, now I can. The worst is when
Speaker 1: you're like, oh fuck, I had twenty minutes about that
Speaker 1: nasty thing, and now I can't do any of it.
Speaker 3: I once, when I was in New Zealand, I did
Speaker 3: a show.
Speaker 1: Okay international, you know, just a little, a little here,
Speaker 1: a little there.
Speaker 3: I was in New Zealand and I was doing more
Speaker 3: characters at the time. For whatever reason, I was like,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna do all my characters. Why I had stand
Speaker 3: up but I was just like, I'll do all my characters.
Speaker 3: So I go out there. I start with a character
Speaker 3: and then I'm sort of realizing how deeply American the
Speaker 3: character is and that they won't get it. But I'm
Speaker 3: sort of in like, like in a mode, and I
Speaker 3: won't stop. And it's I've never, not before that, and
Speaker 3: not since, have I ever done a show where it
Speaker 3: was so.
Speaker 2: Just silent, just held silence, just no one getting it. No,
Speaker 2: Everyone's like, what's going on? Where did she come from?
Speaker 3: It's actually one of the few shows my mom has
Speaker 3: ever seen me do, because we were on the trip together.
Speaker 2: I'm sure she thinks, what is this girl doing? Why
Speaker 2: she's sticking with it?
Speaker 3: But yet I power through, did the full set and
Speaker 3: absolutely bombed.
Speaker 2: When I got to.
Speaker 3: The airport though, to leave for the trip, somebody comes
Speaker 3: up to me, I loved that set you did, I said,
Speaker 3: you did. You didn't make a peep.
Speaker 1: I know people did her all the time, and it's like,
Speaker 1: the very least you could have done is express that
Speaker 1: with your vocal cords or your hands, please. I had
Speaker 1: that happened to me the last time I was in
Speaker 1: New York. It wasn't quite as bad, but I started
Speaker 1: talking about drive Through, and then I was like, why
Speaker 1: is everyone so quiet, and then I realized they don't
Speaker 1: have drive throughs in New York City. Yes, idiot. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Do you believe in ghosts?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Okay, have you ever seen one?
Speaker 2: Never seen? Never. I never tried to track down, never
Speaker 2: tried to, never try.
Speaker 3: To be involved. It's like, I just I respect what
Speaker 3: it is that they're doing, but I don't know that
Speaker 3: I want any involvement.
Speaker 2: Yeah no, but I believe in it, and I believe
Speaker 2: in them.
Speaker 1: It's almost like the ultimate boredom or I don't know, privilege.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what it is to be like, well,
Speaker 1: everything's okay over here, I'm gonna go fuck up the
Speaker 1: other side. Yeah, let me go on over there and
Speaker 1: ruffle some feathers.
Speaker 3: I you know, it's like, uh, you don't want to
Speaker 3: be forgotten.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you just want to get in there. You want
Speaker 2: to keep doing stuff, You want to keep messing around.
Speaker 2: It's nice.
Speaker 1: Have you ever been to a psychic?
Speaker 2: Uh no, Taro, but not a psychic?
Speaker 1: Okay, why not a psychic?
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I can give you a reading. Yeah, did you have
Speaker 1: a grandmother?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, see this is how they I've seen so
Speaker 1: many that start like that do you have a grandmother?
Speaker 2: Also, the way you're looking.
Speaker 1: Did you. That's part of it is you have to
Speaker 1: really make it seem like, yeah, getting a vibe, getting
Speaker 1: a vibe that you had a grandmother no longer with us.
Speaker 1: I'm seeing white hair. Oh uh huh, oh my god,
Speaker 1: was she a woman?
Speaker 2: Stop? I start crying. No, stop, stop, stops. I'm just
Speaker 2: too close.
Speaker 1: You know what. I'm obsessed with always but lately. Okay,
Speaker 1: So I bought this book. I was in Austin, Texas
Speaker 1: last week, and I was going antique shopping, sweating my
Speaker 1: ass off, absolutely horrible. However, still had to go to
Speaker 1: the antique stores and I find this book called Bizarre
Speaker 1: Phenomenal right up my alley. It's from nineteen ninety two
Speaker 1: Reader's Digest book, lots of pictures, and so I've been
Speaker 1: rifling through this thing and there's all these little blurbs
Speaker 1: and there was this one that was a synchronicity story,
Speaker 1: and so I want to share this synchronousy because it's
Speaker 1: so fascinating. It was just a little blurb. So then
Speaker 1: I went in research and I found Ripley's Believe It
Speaker 1: or Not had a thing about it. So you know,
Speaker 1: this story is the real deal. So this is from
Speaker 1: Ripley's dot com and it's the story of the Jim Twins.
Speaker 2: Jay I am oh oh okay.
Speaker 1: The Jim Twins. Okay. So they were separated at birth,
Speaker 1: they were identical twins. At age thirty nine, they reunite
Speaker 1: now it says, okay. Both men were named Jim by
Speaker 1: their adopted parents, which is already like that's one of
Speaker 1: those things you go, oh, that's cool, that's crazy. Oh wow, yeah, honey,
Speaker 1: buckle up. They both grew up about forty miles apart
Speaker 1: from each other. One of the boys was adopted by
Speaker 1: a family, the Lewis', and then another one the Springers.
Speaker 1: So it was Jim Lewis and Jim Springer. And they
Speaker 1: both knew, like, we have a kid that was a
Speaker 1: twin whatever, but they they didn't really know what happened
Speaker 1: to the other twin. So they both had childhood dogs
Speaker 1: named Toy. As school children, they had a proclivity for
Speaker 1: math and woodworking, but they were no great shakes at spelling.
Speaker 1: If their childhood were uncannily similar, though, then their adulthoods
Speaker 1: were remarkable. So both Jim's married twice. The first time
Speaker 1: they married a woman named Linda. When they divorced, they
Speaker 1: went on to both marry a woman named Betty. Two
Speaker 1: different Betty's, two different Linda's. Jim Lewis and Jim Springer
Speaker 1: both had a son, same name, James Allen. They named
Speaker 1: their son though I will say the one was a
Speaker 1: l An the other is a l l An. But
Speaker 1: still they both were heavy smokers. They both drove the
Speaker 1: same kind of car, which was a Chevrolet. They had
Speaker 1: similar jobs, working in secure. It says they took vacations
Speaker 1: at the same Florida beach. Neither man knew any of
Speaker 1: these facts about each other until when they were thirty seven,
Speaker 1: Jim Lewis decided to get in contact with this twin.
Speaker 1: This is in nineteen seventy seven. They meet each other
Speaker 1: and it's just like, wait, my wife's name was Betty
Speaker 1: or like what like so wild because that's the thing,
Speaker 1: Like there's a couple of things where you're like, Okay,
Speaker 1: you both smoke and you drink a lot. Like I
Speaker 1: can see where maybe there's some kind of genetic thing
Speaker 1: like I don't know, but like you both had a
Speaker 1: son you name the sun the same thing. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: both had a dog named toy when you were growing.
Speaker 2: What that's that's twin connection.
Speaker 1: That is something so strange to me that, I mean,
Speaker 1: that's all that the paranormal is is like things science
Speaker 1: can't explain, and that to me, it just blows my mind.
Speaker 1: And it's real.
Speaker 2: But aren't there like in distances were twins.
Speaker 3: They're like they're connected, not like voodoo, but you know,
Speaker 3: like one gets hurt and the other one kind of
Speaker 3: feels it right, you know, Like.
Speaker 1: I have asked every twin I've ever met. I've had
Speaker 1: a couple of one person twin, like I've had the
Speaker 1: half on the show, and they all say, no, well.
Speaker 3: I have a twin friend and she I'm actually friends
Speaker 3: with both of the twins.
Speaker 2: But they they I feel.
Speaker 3: Like they say stories of like you know, little things,
Speaker 3: not crazy stuff, but just like you know, sensing oh
Speaker 3: something was maybe off with that.
Speaker 1: One totally, and I know it's real. It's just the twins.
Speaker 1: I know, they don't they're.
Speaker 2: Not tapped in. I know, if you're tapped in like
Speaker 2: Jim and Jim, you could be living the same life.
Speaker 1: That is so crazy. I can't even begin to comprehend
Speaker 1: any of this. So they were studied by a scientist,
Speaker 1: of course, doctor Thomas Bouchard.
Speaker 2: Damn they couldn't get a gym. Would have been.
Speaker 1: Nice, they would have so Thomas Bouchard of the University
Speaker 1: of Minnesota, who found that their medical histories and their
Speaker 1: brain wave tests were almost identical, so were the results
Speaker 1: in personality test.
Speaker 2: But see, I also feel like.
Speaker 1: Some some of the stuff, I bet you. It's that
Speaker 1: thing where you're like, because they're strangers kind of, they
Speaker 1: just meet and then they're like.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, we have that in common. We have
Speaker 2: that in common.
Speaker 1: And then they're like, what's your favorite movie, and it's like,
Speaker 1: my favorite movie is like Stuart Little And then he's
Speaker 1: like me too, like yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: You just start feeling in the gaps because you want
Speaker 3: to be the same. It's like, well, I guess I
Speaker 3: like to do her a little little bit.
Speaker 1: That's my new favorite.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 2: Also, you said they live forty miles away from each other.
Speaker 2: This it's actually not that far.
Speaker 3: So there's a lot of similarities in what they could
Speaker 3: have grown up with because of like town whatever, like
Speaker 3: city they were in. It's like they're right around the
Speaker 3: corner from each other, right, that is true.
Speaker 1: Now, this is the worst question as an interviewer that
Speaker 1: I constantly ask people to do on the spot. Can
Speaker 1: you think of anything in your life that's like synchronostic, synchronicities,
Speaker 1: weird things that are you know what A lot of
Speaker 1: people say, coincidence?
Speaker 2: Uh huh.
Speaker 1: There's also a belief that coincidences are not real, right.
Speaker 1: I don't want to put you on this.
Speaker 2: Money, No, No, I love me give me out their coach.
Speaker 3: I like the thing that keeps coming to my mind,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, what that doesn't that doesn't feel like
Speaker 3: the very kind of thing.
Speaker 2: No, that's not like a It's okay, No, I don't know.
Speaker 2: You know, I'll think on it.
Speaker 1: Let me think about you worry as we do that.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you another one that I just learned. Okay,
Speaker 1: did you know that Abraham Lincoln suck uh huh almost
Speaker 1: died in a train accident, but he was saved by
Speaker 1: John Wilkes Boot's brother. Huh No, so apparently John Wilkes Booth.
Speaker 1: His brother was a famous actor named Edwin Booth, and
Speaker 1: then Robert Todd. Lincoln was leaning up against a train
Speaker 1: one day, which is not don't do that.
Speaker 2: That's insane behavior.
Speaker 1: That is some NEPO baby never had to work.
Speaker 2: No, exactly. I didn't think it was gonna move.
Speaker 3: What.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you need to get out in the real world
Speaker 1: way more. Robert Todd Lincoln. So he's leaning up against
Speaker 1: it and then apparently Edwin Booth grabs him by the collar,
Speaker 1: which this sounds like one of these stories where it's like,
Speaker 1: what this. I don't think that's how what really happened?
Speaker 1: But whatever is what they say. And then he's like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, you're Edwin the after from the movies
Speaker 1: or from the stage. Your Edwin Booths. That's crazy because
Speaker 1: my dad's famous too. My dad's Abraham Lincoln. You got
Speaker 1: the five? You have any five dollar bells?
Speaker 2: Here?
Speaker 1: Can I get somebody? Give me a five? And then
Speaker 1: I can show you that to my dad. And then
Speaker 1: crazy story. I don't know if you know this part
Speaker 1: Edwin Booth's brother.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, actually, keep going. I don't know if
Speaker 2: I remember. No, keep going, Thank.
Speaker 1: You, Edwin Booth. The famous actors.
Speaker 2: Right who I know?
Speaker 1: His brother stop was at a theater. Oh were Robert
Speaker 1: Todd Lincoln's dad.
Speaker 3: Oh was also at Okay getting the band back together
Speaker 3: in a way.
Speaker 1: Which is like small town, which Okay, that's another part
Speaker 1: of this because I already know how you your mind works,
Speaker 1: because you're the one that threw out. Oh those two twins,
Speaker 1: they only live forty miles away, so it's not that exciting.
Speaker 1: Well these people.
Speaker 3: Okay, we need to play that back because I don't know.
Speaker 3: That's what I sounded like. Let's play that back.
Speaker 1: Came to fight. So Robert Todd Lincoln was traveling via
Speaker 1: train from New York to Washington, and this was in
Speaker 1: a Jersey City, New Jersey train stop where he decided
Speaker 1: to lean against a train.
Speaker 3: Girl insane to lean against a train?
Speaker 2: Yeah, never never had that? Have I had that impulse?
Speaker 1: Never?
Speaker 2: Weren't they scared of trains back then?
Speaker 1: You would think, you know, the movie.
Speaker 3: One of those first movies was The Train Coming Out.
Speaker 3: It wasn't out, you know what, it wasn't out. They
Speaker 3: were They weren't.
Speaker 2: Thinking like that changed every Yeah, they were like, I'm scared.
Speaker 1: That's what Edwin Booth said, this is scary. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: have an idea for a pilot. He said, I have
Speaker 1: a script I could write.
Speaker 2: I have a storist.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then someone else did it and stole it
Speaker 1: from him.
Speaker 3: Tails all this time. You can't tell everyone your ideas exactly.
Speaker 3: So that's that story, which is wild.
Speaker 2: No, that's incredible.
Speaker 1: Oh, in case anyone doesn't know, so, Edwin Booth's brother
Speaker 1: shot Abraham Lincoln juniors. What's his name, Robert Robert Todd,
Speaker 1: Robert Todd Lincoln. He shot his dad, Abraham, who was
Speaker 1: the president.
Speaker 2: At the time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he had a big top hat on and he
Speaker 1: didn't get the top hat.
Speaker 2: No, tumble down, he got.
Speaker 1: Below the top hat. Or actually, I don't know where
Speaker 1: he shot him.
Speaker 2: She shot him from behind, I think right, Or did
Speaker 2: you shoot him from.
Speaker 1: No, I think it was from behind. But this did
Speaker 1: he get him in?
Speaker 3: He didn't stud him from the stage. Now, he shot
Speaker 3: him from behind. He didn't do that in the booth,
Speaker 3: but Booth in the booth in the booth.
Speaker 1: Which is just a wild It's just a very wild coincidence,
Speaker 1: I suppose. But there's more. I can tell you more
Speaker 1: because I can tell you're not impressed.
Speaker 2: I'm deeply impressed. I can't believe it.
Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm just trying to think of anything in
Speaker 3: my life that it feels like, and I'm sure there
Speaker 3: has been.
Speaker 1: But I'm like, what, how about this one, an engaged
Speaker 1: couple discovered that their parents almost married each other. Oh no,
Speaker 1: so this is from Best Life Online dot com, it says,
Speaker 1: as told in an episode of nprs This American Life
Speaker 1: titled No Coincidence, No Story. Stephen and Helen Lee had
Speaker 1: just gotten engaged when they made a shocking family discovery.
Speaker 1: While looking through family photos during the engagement party in
Speaker 1: New York. They realized that the bride's mother and the
Speaker 1: groom's late father had nearly gotten married in Korea in
Speaker 1: the sixties, but moved on to another relationship because their
Speaker 1: parents disapproved by incredibly narrow odds. The two loves of
Speaker 1: Lee's father's life from two different sides of the world.
Speaker 1: No last now share grandchildren decades later.
Speaker 2: Oh oh okay, I see, Yeah.
Speaker 1: That was a little complicated at the end there, but
Speaker 1: oh for sure.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: And that is another one that kind of seems like, well,
Speaker 1: you lived in the same place, like it's possible.
Speaker 3: No, that feels that feels crazy because you were almost well,
Speaker 3: I guess you almost didn't exist ultimately.
Speaker 1: Totally, you know, but it's almost like one of these
Speaker 1: things where the fate didn't work out. So now it's
Speaker 1: almost like, Okay, do you subscribe to the idea of
Speaker 1: past lives or like going into another like you're going
Speaker 1: to go to another one after this?
Speaker 3: Uh huh, well, I guess yeah, I mean I like
Speaker 3: the idea of it is what I like. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: I think it seems kind of interesting that you could
Speaker 3: be like working out something from the past, right, you.
Speaker 1: Know, because it's that's the thing. These people were still alive,
Speaker 1: I guess the original but it's almost like their love
Speaker 1: like it didn't work out, so now it like kind
Speaker 1: of went like their genetic a piece of the spiritually.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but maybe it's even.
Speaker 3: Something like you know, like you know sometimes the thing
Speaker 3: people say, it's like you you're you're here because somebody
Speaker 3: who looked like you wanted to fuck someone that looked
Speaker 3: like you, you know, so it's like, oh, you already
Speaker 3: like your parents are already attracted to each other at one point,
Speaker 3: So maybe y'all just kind of look like what they
Speaker 3: already also liked, and you inherited some of that and
Speaker 3: so now y'all, look, we're attracted to each other.
Speaker 1: Don't take the fun out of this.
Speaker 2: What the heck?
Speaker 3: I guess I'll put my degree away, Oh my god,
Speaker 3: musical theater.
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, that I should have consulted you more
Speaker 1: on the John Wilkes booths exactly. Think that wasn't a theater.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I wish you would have. We should circle
Speaker 2: back to that. It's a it's a fine degree.
Speaker 1: Also, I don't have a degree, so I think that
Speaker 1: I don't. I dropped out of college.
Speaker 2: And a lot of ways I don't either. But whatever
Speaker 2: you want.
Speaker 1: That's the thing. It's like, okay, you people definitely have
Speaker 1: a taste, Like, yes, sometimes you see pictures of families
Speaker 1: where you're like, you guys like you look like twins.
Speaker 1: Like everyone looks like twins here. You guys really like
Speaker 1: each other.
Speaker 3: It's like folder's commercial. Yeah, you know with the oh
Speaker 3: your back home.
Speaker 2: Sister, whatever the hell?
Speaker 1: That weird one. That weird one. Really it's like, hey, sister,
Speaker 1: I've missed you. It's like, yeah, brother, it's like Jesus
Speaker 1: have you been don't leave me again?
Speaker 2: Like how did this get approved?
Speaker 1: That's so weird?
Speaker 3: Okay, I will say so. In regard to like sort
Speaker 3: of a past life thing, there have been people sometimes
Speaker 3: when I've met them initially and like I try not
Speaker 3: to think of it as like, oh, I'm just like
Speaker 3: really excited, like because they're a new friend or a
Speaker 3: new person in my life. But like there have been
Speaker 3: times where I'm like I know you, yeah, like oh
Speaker 3: I feel I know you, and I can't articulate it
Speaker 3: in any other way. Then I feel I know you,
Speaker 3: and then I get to know them more, and then
Speaker 3: there's like oh these ways in which that we overlap,
Speaker 3: but like early on, before I really know them, I'm
Speaker 3: just like I know you right, which feels nice. I
Speaker 3: don't know, feels like, oh, I've encountered someone that I
Speaker 3: was supposed to meet exactly.
Speaker 1: That's what it is. Yeah, And I always wonder with
Speaker 1: those people, like like I wonder how many times you
Speaker 1: and I have been in the same room together, yes,
Speaker 1: before ever.
Speaker 2: Meeting, like, which is exciting.
Speaker 1: I think it's so weird, ye, And it's fun when
Speaker 1: you make those connections.
Speaker 2: Yes, I agree.
Speaker 3: It's like it's like, oh, there was like a picture
Speaker 3: going around recently of like Kamala Harris in a photo
Speaker 3: with Barack Obama and she's like there and whatever, but
Speaker 3: like it reminded me of that kind of phenomenon that
Speaker 3: people have where it's like they take a picture and
Speaker 3: then they'll be like, oh my god, like this person
Speaker 3: that I hadn't met there in the background, or like
Speaker 3: my best friend or whatever.
Speaker 1: People. Yeah, they were like, wait a minute, that's my dad,
Speaker 1: that's my mom.
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 1: That's kind of funny. Okay, let's do like one more
Speaker 1: of these because and I apologize to anyone that came
Speaker 1: for a spooky because this really isn't that spooky. But
Speaker 1: we'll get to the spooky in a second. Okay, what
Speaker 1: about this? A meteor hit a family's home and the
Speaker 1: family's name was the Combat Family.
Speaker 2: No not the Combat Family.
Speaker 3: No no, no, no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 2: What website is this? What little made up website is this?
Speaker 1: This is my favorite kind of thing. Listen. We just
Speaker 1: had on my episode with Kara Klank, we just had this.
Speaker 1: There's a woman who I am Now if she starts
Speaker 1: a church, I'm joining it. Her name is Jemima Packington
Speaker 1: and she lives I'm sorry, name alone. She lives in England, Okay,
Speaker 1: and she is an asparamancer, meaning she interprets asparagus to
Speaker 1: make predictions. She drops the asparagus and looks at it,
Speaker 1: and she can tell predictions now let me tell you
Speaker 1: why this is insane.
Speaker 2: Don't do this.
Speaker 1: She has seventy to ninety five percent accuracy. She made
Speaker 1: predictions for the world in December of twenty twenty three.
Speaker 1: She said that the US is going to have its
Speaker 1: first female president.
Speaker 2: Stop.
Speaker 1: She said that while Kamala wasn't even a part of
Speaker 1: the conversation.
Speaker 3: And she's doing this from the asparagus, from the asparagus,
Speaker 3: and who is are people following her?
Speaker 2: I don't think she's even on social media.
Speaker 3: She shouldn't be because people would start coming the way.
Speaker 3: People would be dropping their lives for this woman.
Speaker 2: Already. I feel it.
Speaker 1: I am like, first of all, I love asparagus. I
Speaker 1: know it makes your peace smell bad, but I love it.
Speaker 1: It's it's so good.
Speaker 2: No, it's perfect.
Speaker 1: Honey, I'm gonna she's gonna predict my life and the
Speaker 1: I'm gonna cook me up a nice little side dish.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: She I feel like she's got the whole plan already
Speaker 3: set out, like predictions. But then also on the food side,
Speaker 3: she's definitely can be doing all kinds of things.
Speaker 1: She would be asparas. Yes, she should do a cookbook.
Speaker 2: A cleanse, the asparagus cleanse Yes.
Speaker 1: That, Oh my god, that would be so genius to
Speaker 1: start a restaurant where it's like, I will tell you
Speaker 1: when you're gonna die and then you can eat. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the asparagus that made this decision for us.
Speaker 3: Yes, it's coursed out, it's a preset menu. Yes, it's
Speaker 3: so personalized. Maybe the courses have something to do with
Speaker 3: your life. It's fifteen hundred dollars to eat there.
Speaker 1: Though, I'm starting a management company and I'm about to
Speaker 1: approach Jamia packet to shocked left.
Speaker 2: Actually that's bad after.
Speaker 1: This one, this prediction that is incredible.
Speaker 2: Oh, that's pretty good.
Speaker 1: And she has a whole long list of proven things
Speaker 1: that she has predicted happening, some not you know. But
Speaker 1: so she's not one hundred percent accurate, which is fine,
Speaker 1: but that's goods are good. We all have a bad
Speaker 1: day in the job.
Speaker 2: We're flawed.
Speaker 1: We've all been in New Zealand and did a character
Speaker 1: you know. But that doesn't mean that we're not gonna
Speaker 1: slay most of the time exactly.
Speaker 3: Not every day is New Zealand, is how I like
Speaker 3: to say. No, I believe in her. I actually believe
Speaker 3: in her too. Much. And she's British, you know those
Speaker 3: country loves Brits more than anything.
Speaker 2: The accent. Come on, they're just gonna believe it. I Left,
Speaker 2: right and.
Speaker 1: Center actually just found in an article they had this
Speaker 1: picture of her where she has got fanned out in
Speaker 1: her hands some asparagus. She looks cocky as shit, but
Speaker 1: I love it. That is some gangster shit. It's like,
Speaker 1: I will tell you everything with these aspera guys.
Speaker 3: No, that is a woman who who knows exactly who
Speaker 3: she is, you know, like, look like I'm just seeing
Speaker 3: glimpses of the outfit as well, and I'm just like,
Speaker 3: she knows who she is.
Speaker 2: She's very confident and I probably would trust her.
Speaker 1: I yes, absolutely.
Speaker 2: How is she reading the asparagus? Does she have videos?
Speaker 2: What's she doing?
Speaker 1: I think she does. You know, I haven't even gotten
Speaker 1: in there to look at everything. All I needed to
Speaker 1: hear was this, and I'm already like, where do I
Speaker 1: send my money?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: The asparagus aspect is hard to get my mind fully around.
Speaker 1: And again she calls herself an asparamancer. But wait the
Speaker 1: only reason I brought this up is because we have
Speaker 1: to get back to the Comet family.
Speaker 2: Oh, oh and I forgot and I forgot about the
Speaker 2: Comet family. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: This has just become a podcast of really like funny names.
Speaker 1: Is like all I care about. Like obviously, here's some
Speaker 1: of the things we've covered on this podcast. The Fister Hotel,
Speaker 1: which is in Wiscon's a very famous hotel that's haunted.
Speaker 1: We've covered the Brown Pucy House, which is in Kentucky
Speaker 1: and it's a haunted house, the Brown Pucy House, the
Speaker 1: Dildo Monster of Dildo Pond, which is a real monster
Speaker 1: in a real place. So stuff like that. Anyways, now
Speaker 1: we're going to add to those are all the dirty ones,
Speaker 1: but we've also got the Combat Family, which is not
Speaker 1: dirty but so. National geographic reports that your odds are
Speaker 1: being killed by a meteor are one in one million,
Speaker 1: six hundred thousand, So the odds would seem infinitely small
Speaker 1: that a meteor which had been flying through space for
Speaker 1: more than four and a half billion years without hitting
Speaker 1: a target would hit the home of a family with
Speaker 1: the last name commt CO M M E. Tte. According
Speaker 1: to Time magazine, you're asking my sources in a bizarre
Speaker 1: case of cosmic synchronicity. That is exactly what happened to
Speaker 1: one family in France. Thankfully nobody was hurt and the
Speaker 1: comments are now the proud owners of their own extremely
Speaker 1: rare extraterrestrial rock the commat the comments. That sounds like
Speaker 1: it's nineteen sixties like dwap girls. Yes, a little trio
Speaker 1: the commets. It's adorable. I love it. Wow. Something that's
Speaker 1: not adorable?
Speaker 3: Or is it?
Speaker 1: Is the world of haunted dolls? Can I show you
Speaker 1: a haunted doll?
Speaker 2: Okay, it's time for the dolls are living?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 3: But I do is?
Speaker 1: I go to epy dot com and I type in
Speaker 1: the words haunted doll. There are thousands at a time,
Speaker 1: and typically the belief with these dolls is that somebody
Speaker 1: has died and they are now in a doll. Oh okay,
Speaker 1: the options are heaven, hell, haunted email doll. That's how
Speaker 1: it works when you die. So I have got this
Speaker 1: is a two for one special here, Jiha, could you
Speaker 1: please show us LaToya and ramone. It's kind of like
Speaker 1: a lesbian couple or something. Yeah, there's certainly a queerness
Speaker 1: to them. They both have on lipstick and long lashes
Speaker 1: and doing to eyeliner. But I believe it's supposed to
Speaker 1: be one as male and one is female.
Speaker 2: Oh no, that can't be. That can't be.
Speaker 1: Well it's Ramone and LaToya.
Speaker 2: I guess so.
Speaker 3: But they look they I mean, there's something sort of
Speaker 3: precious the way they're holding each other.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're adorable, kind of Oh and.
Speaker 3: They way they're both like looking off lonly into the distance,
Speaker 3: Like oh, I feel like.
Speaker 1: They're looking off, Like what are you looking at? This
Speaker 1: is natural? Yes, we're queer. Get over yourselves. They are
Speaker 1: two dollars embracing each other. They both have blue eyes,
Speaker 1: full face of makeup. Yes, what is definitely more butcher
Speaker 1: than the other. Yes, And I feel like maybe it's
Speaker 1: are they there's something cultural going on that I don't know.
Speaker 1: Is it like a Spanish like Flamenco dancer vibe? I think?
Speaker 3: But then there's also the fringe and I don't know
Speaker 3: where to where to place the fringe I mean, but
Speaker 3: then there's kind of a newsboy cup sort of look
Speaker 3: as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they had lots of ideas going on when they
Speaker 1: were creating these two. But here's the thing. They come
Speaker 1: with biographies. Oh yes, oh so let me read. By
Speaker 1: the way, they're going for sixty dollars.
Speaker 2: Stop, that's too much, girl.
Speaker 1: I've seen some that are twenty five thousand dollars like
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone's buying them. No, Bye, what's really
Speaker 1: big and important is a good bio when you're trying
Speaker 1: to sell your haunted dolls. Sixty dollars Now, I want
Speaker 1: to point out they did not offer thirty for Ramone
Speaker 1: and thirty for LaToya. If you want them to separate,
Speaker 1: you can't separate them. It's sixty dollars for both. Oh
Speaker 1: like kittens, like the gym twins. So it says this
Speaker 1: spicy couple is perfect for anyone looking to spice up
Speaker 1: a relationship. They met each other at a dance competition
Speaker 1: in the eighties and have been glued to each other
Speaker 1: ever since. And then there's a smiley face. I can't
Speaker 1: be sure what age they were when it happened, but
Speaker 1: Ramone died, and then there's always like a little bit
Speaker 1: of sad whatever. But basically he died and LaToya died
Speaker 1: of a broken heart after he died. I mean they
Speaker 1: loved each other. When she did die, he was right
Speaker 1: there waiting for her when she was ready. This love
Speaker 1: between them surpassed and overcame death. There are a lot
Speaker 1: of cases when one's lover dies, they don't reconnect in
Speaker 1: the afterlife for one reason or another. This is not
Speaker 1: one of those cases. Were you to try to separate them,
Speaker 1: let's just say they've given me some not so pretty images.
Speaker 1: Were that to happen, they will not, in all caps,
Speaker 1: be kept apart. When they were alive, they both loved
Speaker 1: dancing so much. It was their passion, their art, their
Speaker 1: reason for living until they met one another. They love
Speaker 1: watching dance competitions and the activity skyrockets when music is playing.
Speaker 1: The one kind of music they dislike, explicit rap and
Speaker 1: hip hop trap music seems to resonate with them. They
Speaker 1: are super active with just about any method of communication
Speaker 1: I've offered them. The candle is their favorite. LaToya was
Speaker 1: an amazing cook. She'd love to get offerings of homemade foods.
Speaker 1: As for Ramon, he appreciates cigars. This couple would love
Speaker 1: to assist your marriage by increasing libido, and they know
Speaker 1: when to nudge you in the right direction. They almost
Speaker 1: have a suck you by vibe to them. But they
Speaker 1: were and are definitely human. Do you know about like
Speaker 1: a sucubis like a sex demon. So basically that's the
Speaker 1: two of them, so they will make you horny.
Speaker 2: I guess. So they don't like explicit rap, but they
Speaker 2: do like trap music.
Speaker 1: Is that what that was? I guess that's what that was.
Speaker 3: That doesn't make a lot of sense to me, but Okay,
Speaker 3: they're an interesting couple for sure, that's for sure. I
Speaker 3: can't imagine dying of a broken heart.
Speaker 1: Though, you know, I have a grandma that kind of
Speaker 1: did that really. Yeah, I don't know if I guess
Speaker 1: it's time period, but also like Mexican culture whatever, they
Speaker 1: were married as like young teens, like prech like so young. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then by the time they're like in their seventies,
Speaker 1: it's like, can you imagine I guess that is different
Speaker 1: sixty years or something. Yeah, and then the one dies
Speaker 1: and then and then the grandma is like, right, how.
Speaker 2: Would I be by myself?
Speaker 3: And I do just want to say the sort of
Speaker 3: little motif or thing they have in this picture with
Speaker 3: the little rocks in the in the tiny leaves, oh
Speaker 3: that's nice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't even acknowledge.
Speaker 3: That to give us a sense of place, and I
Speaker 3: don't know what that place is, but it's definitely giving
Speaker 3: us a sense of place, velvet background, it feels like sears.
Speaker 1: Yeah. They definitely sprung for a photo package, which I
Speaker 1: think is important because this is all marketing when you're
Speaker 1: trying to sell, yes, you know, a haunted doll.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, and they have ballet hands, you know, they kind
Speaker 3: of have like the little second effort, you know whatever together.
Speaker 1: Yeah, anyway, and they want you to know that they
Speaker 1: will help you get busy.
Speaker 2: I don't want those to involved.
Speaker 1: But I feel like they're respectful. It says they know
Speaker 1: how to get you in the mood. And then they're
Speaker 1: gonna be like, all right, as long as you leave
Speaker 1: us some cigars and homemade food, we're gonna be you know,
Speaker 1: over here.
Speaker 2: We won't look.
Speaker 1: We don't want to.
Speaker 2: That's why they're looking off the time. We won't be looking.
Speaker 1: That's what they're doing.
Speaker 2: We're not looking. You guys can fuck We're not looking.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: So that's the two of them. Wow, can I play
Speaker 1: you some ghost voices? Okay, it's time for EVP or
Speaker 1: ev Please. Have you ever heard the term EVP? It
Speaker 1: stands for Electronic voice phenomenal. Okay, so this is when
Speaker 1: people ghost hunting believe they've captured a ghost speaking. So
Speaker 1: I go to YouTube and I find people's EVPs. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna play you too, and after each time I
Speaker 1: play you one, I'm gonna give you ABCD. And one
Speaker 1: of these is the correct answer of what the person
Speaker 1: that posted it leaves the ghost.
Speaker 2: Of saying, okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 1: This first one was posted by Doorways Mag and that
Speaker 1: was on YouTube and they have recorded this at a
Speaker 1: house in Union City, Indiana. What is this ghost saying?
Speaker 1: Let me play it again?
Speaker 3: Any guesses just off the top, I got I got
Speaker 3: your text?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, it doesn't sound like that.
Speaker 1: Now, well, I'll give you ABCZ. It's one of these.
Speaker 1: Is it a ah, you're the best? B watch your back?
Speaker 1: See I heard it? Or d ah you rap bastard? Okay,
Speaker 1: it's one of those.
Speaker 2: Okay, what was b watch your back? They think it's
Speaker 2: s I heard it.
Speaker 1: Oh, let me play it again.
Speaker 2: I heard it.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 1: This is one of these cases where I go listen,
Speaker 1: Doorways Mag. You definitely captured something. I definitely believe that.
Speaker 1: I don't think that it says I heard it. Okay.
Speaker 1: Here's another one. This is from ghost Watch Paranormal and
Speaker 1: they recorded this at Uma State Territorial Prison in Yuma, Arizona.
Speaker 1: What's this one saying? Okay, now there is a huge,
Speaker 1: living human that doesn't at the end. We're now listening
Speaker 1: to that. Yes, it sounds like two voices to.
Speaker 2: Me, it does. Yeah, yeah, they're just gonnase.
Speaker 1: See. I think that they're there and they are trying
Speaker 1: to sell this off like it's one voice, one sentence
Speaker 1: or one statement.
Speaker 3: Oh, it feels like I can't hear the beginning, but
Speaker 3: then the last word sounds like control.
Speaker 1: Oh a Janet Jackson fan.
Speaker 2: So they can think about, Well, that's not what they thought. Okay.
Speaker 1: Which one of these did they think it was a
Speaker 1: another day in the hole? B? Your mom's a hoe. Okay,
Speaker 1: see you're a loser, please go should I didn't come
Speaker 1: up with a D? Wait? Do you like Edgar Allan Poe?
Speaker 2: Okay, that's D perfect.
Speaker 1: Which one of those?
Speaker 2: I think it's a.
Speaker 1: Another day in the hole?
Speaker 2: Yes, that is what they believe the hole, And I
Speaker 2: don't know what that means.
Speaker 1: Well, I think it refers to solitary confinement the whole. Oh,
Speaker 1: they sometimes call it, oh lord, but it's I don't
Speaker 1: think it's the same. Is it the same voice. I mean, honestly, listen,
Speaker 1: nobody get weird about this, but this reminds me of
Speaker 1: going back to when I was in New York City
Speaker 1: drive throughs. That's me at the drive through. It's like, Hey,
Speaker 1: hang on one second.
Speaker 2: Hi, how are you?
Speaker 3: Uh huh.
Speaker 2: Maybe that's what the ghost was doing, putting on a
Speaker 2: voice another.
Speaker 1: Day in the hole.
Speaker 2: Sorry you were listening.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so maybe it is the same person ghost.
Speaker 2: They're putting on their professional voice. And even in the afterlife,
Speaker 2: you have to put on your professional voice.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, you never know it's another day in the hole. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's do one last thing. Okay, I'm just gonna like
Speaker 1: throw out some.
Speaker 2: Unexplainable phenomena and I'm curious your take.
Speaker 1: Maybe I got something Bigfoot.
Speaker 3: Love Bigfoot, Love Bigfoot, big fan of Bigfoot.
Speaker 2: Okay, hey, yes, love Bigfoot. I I this guy. What's
Speaker 2: he doing up there? You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 3: Like he's just out there, He's always giving a photograph,
Speaker 3: you know, he's walking around through the woods. Like but like,
Speaker 3: I feel like Bigfoot should be doing so much less.
Speaker 3: Like to our I Bigfoot, I would just be chilling,
Speaker 3: you know, I would be chilling, and I feel like
Speaker 3: he's out and about.
Speaker 1: I don't I get where you're coming from. For me,
Speaker 1: he's not out.
Speaker 2: You think he's not out enough.
Speaker 1: I mean, what do we get one good decent picture? Ever?
Speaker 1: And then every once in a while a little bit.
Speaker 2: No, we've been getting photos. There were some recently.
Speaker 3: There were some recent photos that I saw a Bigfoot
Speaker 3: and he was out there stomping around. Someone was like, look,
Speaker 3: there he is. I'm like, yeah, you were.
Speaker 2: You missed the spotlight. That's what it was.
Speaker 3: You came out, you missed the spotlight. You wanted people
Speaker 3: to pull out their new little cameras take some pictures
Speaker 3: of you.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, that's interesting. Yeah, so you think it's one bigfoot?
Speaker 3: You know what, when you say it in that way,
Speaker 3: I do feel there could be more. There could be more.
Speaker 3: It could be a community. I mean it could be
Speaker 3: you know, is big Bigfit's Appalachia or is big Foot?
Speaker 1: Well the famous video was northern California.
Speaker 3: California, Okay, right, because I was gonna say, if Bigfoot's Appalachia,
Speaker 3: I feel like there's all kinds of bess coming out
Speaker 3: of there. You know, they got nothing but spookiness. I
Speaker 3: got on Apalachia TikTok, I said, how do I get
Speaker 3: out of here? Because Appalachia talk was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: you cannot have your windows open at night, like you
Speaker 3: need to shut them. Spirits come in. They're talking about
Speaker 3: like driving through the mountain. They're like, don't drive through
Speaker 3: the mountains at night. There's like girls inside of their cars.
Speaker 3: The car starts going off, the alarm, star's going up,
Speaker 3: someone's in the woods yelling their names. I said, Oh,
Speaker 3: Appalachia's not for me. Avalachia's for me. For me, I
Speaker 3: don't need to drive through.
Speaker 2: I don't need to go. Those mountains are so old.
Speaker 2: They got those people inside.
Speaker 3: Of there anyways, they're living whole societies and they don't
Speaker 3: care what's happening here. They got their whole lives and
Speaker 3: transferring that to Bigfoot. I feel like there could be
Speaker 3: there could be plenty of them. There could be all
Speaker 3: kinds of bigfoots inside of the big feed. Yeah, big
Speaker 3: feeds out in the in the mountains, in the hills.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, that is the thing that from my studies
Speaker 1: over the years, I have found that pretty much every
Speaker 1: state has their own Bigfoot of some sort, some kind
Speaker 1: of Sasasquatch Creek, sure up there. And the one thing
Speaker 1: that I always like to point out too and this
Speaker 1: conversation is that the famous video that we all know,
Speaker 1: the leading scientist and people studying believe that that is
Speaker 1: a woman big Foot because she has titties and ass
Speaker 1: wow wow, and she's sickening and her hair is Honestly,
Speaker 1: if you look at it again, her hair is shining.
Speaker 2: Yes, so yes, God is a woman, and so it
Speaker 2: was Bigfoot.
Speaker 1: Thank you? Yes, So next one, UFOs, where are you at?
Speaker 3: I feel like sometimes I feel like UFOs are used
Speaker 3: to sort of not to be because there's theorist. But
Speaker 3: I'm like, sometimes I feel like they're being used to
Speaker 3: distract us, you know, like something else will be going
Speaker 3: on and they'll be like, oh, we have this footage,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, it's interesting the timing on some of this.
Speaker 3: But I don't believe we're in the universe alone. So
Speaker 3: and I don't think that we're the only people that.
Speaker 1: Have alved to like, well, the combat Family found that
Speaker 1: the hard way.
Speaker 3: Hey, okay, not the ads well French, you know whatever,
Speaker 3: It's okay, but I I, yeah, I feel like that
Speaker 3: there are extraterrestrial beings. I believe that, like, there is matter,
Speaker 3: I'm sure here somewhere, But sometimes I think that the
Speaker 3: way that they disperse information in terms of the government
Speaker 3: is like why now or why are you keeping some
Speaker 3: of this from us?
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that they've also kind of like
Speaker 1: released stuff on a busy news day like yes, uh.
Speaker 3: Huh, buried stuff, you know, or make stuff sound more
Speaker 3: sensational than it actually is to be like, oh, it's
Speaker 3: so crazy, but it's actually not and it's really normal,
Speaker 3: And I don't think it should feel so sensational because
Speaker 3: it is just like, oh, do you really believe that
Speaker 3: we would be in this massive galaxy all by ourselves
Speaker 3: and that there isn't some kind of entity outside that
Speaker 3: like it's smarter and maybe knows how.
Speaker 2: To get here, you know.
Speaker 1: I want to reclaim conspiracy theories because I feel like
Speaker 1: the crazy cuckoo right wing people have taken over conspiracy
Speaker 1: theories and they've made it not fun anymore, but like
Speaker 1: it can be fun, yes, Like what I feel like,
Speaker 1: there's all these conspiracy theories about like different singers, and
Speaker 1: like I don't know, every once in a while, I'll
Speaker 1: find myself on that side of TikTok, and that is
Speaker 1: fun for me.
Speaker 2: I'll entertain it. I will absolutely. I don't know that
Speaker 2: I believe it, but I'll listen, and you should I
Speaker 2: believe that.
Speaker 3: Well. I believe this for black folks, but maybe any
Speaker 3: people of color, but I believe specifically in America that
Speaker 3: you should be allowed to believe at least one conspiracy
Speaker 3: theory and not have to defend it for any reason,
Speaker 3: because enough has happened to black folks in this country
Speaker 3: where I'm like, you know what.
Speaker 2: You think that there's lizard people, I'm gonna let you
Speaker 2: keep that one. It's Tuskegee.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna let you keep that one because of the
Speaker 3: way they did birth control on black women early on.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna let you keep a couple because they have
Speaker 3: lied to us and so that creates distrust.
Speaker 2: And if you have one little crazy belief, I'm gonna.
Speaker 1: Let you keep it. Amen, Do you have one that
Speaker 1: you want to share?
Speaker 3: One that I used to And this isn't like a
Speaker 3: full unbelief. This is more just like I think it's funny,
Speaker 3: or just the evidence I thought was interesting was around
Speaker 3: evidence Stevie Wonder could see okay, because they had these
Speaker 3: videos of him like catching the mic really quick and
Speaker 3: like it stuff like that was like he's like he's
Speaker 3: like taking a photo of a wax Michael Jackson, and
Speaker 3: I think, really it's just him maybe trolling, but it's really.
Speaker 2: Funny to me. And I'm like, oh wait, maybe he can't.
Speaker 3: But you know what, it doesn't matter to me if
Speaker 3: you can see, if you can't see, I don't think
Speaker 3: he can't, but if you can hear, if you can't see,
Speaker 3: he's an incredible artist.
Speaker 2: And I respect that. And that's all that I want
Speaker 2: to go on the record saying that.
Speaker 1: Is it's so funny. Yeah yeah, and like people wave
Speaker 1: to him.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean it's also like what is the level like
Speaker 3: blindness is like kind of a I don't know what
Speaker 3: blind looks like, you know, because like I think the
Speaker 3: thing is like you always presume when people talk about
Speaker 3: blind is like pitch black, but it's not really necessarily that.
Speaker 3: Sometimes it's you know what I mean, Sometimes they're like
Speaker 3: seeing shapes and stuff.
Speaker 2: Well, now I'm happy to be on the record and.
Speaker 1: Are heightened. Yes you know, yes, why not your sixth sense?
Speaker 1: Maybe yes you can also, I mean I'm sure that
Speaker 1: somebody like him who was born blind can after all
Speaker 1: those years, absolutely sense when someone's in the room for sure,
Speaker 1: not just by smelling them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can like feel a person. I mean, I
Speaker 3: guess like you you've sensed that even being able to see.
Speaker 3: But like, yeah, if you can imagine like not having
Speaker 3: that always, your spatial awareness would be really high. Okay,
Speaker 3: last one, Ouiji boards, no or I should say, I
Speaker 3: mean I I so I respect a Wiji board. I
Speaker 3: respected Wuigi board in so far as I don't feel
Speaker 3: I ever want to be near one. I've seen the movies,
Speaker 3: I've seen the little the videos.
Speaker 2: I've watched it.
Speaker 3: When they're doing all the littles, the triangling around together.
Speaker 3: I don't want to bring anything over. I don't want
Speaker 3: to bring anything in. I don't want to talk to anybody.
Speaker 3: I don't want to talk to y'all. I don't want
Speaker 3: to be friends with y'all. I don't want to I
Speaker 3: don't want to engage. I don't want to.
Speaker 2: Bring someone into one of my friends.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no no.
Speaker 2: Noluigi. There was a Wiji board that got brought out
Speaker 2: at a party. It was a very nice. It was
Speaker 2: actually it was. It was an intricate party. My friend
Speaker 2: is her my friend's birthday.
Speaker 3: Her boyfriend had played this big murder mystery party for
Speaker 3: her and had all these different little games. And at
Speaker 3: one point, and I should say, I'm from the South,
Speaker 3: I'm from Texas, and there's a lot of people who
Speaker 3: are from the South and also kind of grew up
Speaker 3: Christian were at this party. He brings out the Wigi
Speaker 3: board like this is the next part of the game.
Speaker 3: I kid you not about five stood up and walked
Speaker 3: into the house. We say, okay, y'all can do that,
Speaker 3: but we won't be doing it.
Speaker 1: We'll be good.
Speaker 2: And so many of us left that they were like, okay,
Speaker 2: we just won't do it.
Speaker 1: Then I guess damn.
Speaker 2: I was like, I'm so sorry, not even for a joke.
Speaker 2: Can I be involved in that? But respect?
Speaker 1: That's very It's common. A lot of people feel that way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this podcast. Over the years, because I've been doing this
Speaker 1: since twenty nineteen, I've had a wei geologist on this
Speaker 1: podcast well, who runs a Oiji board society and museum.
Speaker 1: I've spoken to a lot of people and I think
Speaker 1: the consensus is like movies definitely made a scared of them.
Speaker 1: And I think also years and years of kids doing
Speaker 1: it and then being like something just happened, or like whatever,
Speaker 1: someone's moving it to make it say damon or whatever.
Speaker 1: And I don't I don't deny that you could be
Speaker 1: opening doors that you don't know how to close. But
Speaker 1: I also think that it's the same thing as any
Speaker 1: of it, like going to a psychic, going ghost hunting,
Speaker 1: which you also don't do, which I don't blame you.
Speaker 1: Going to Appalachia, you know, that's all the same thing.
Speaker 3: If I'm going to Appalachia, I just want to let
Speaker 3: you know if you ever hear about me heading up
Speaker 3: to the mountains, no I'm about to die.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah something is incredibly wrong. Yes, and yeah you
Speaker 1: did not go on your own free will. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like I deal with people constantly that are like,
Speaker 1: that's evil, just like any of this stuff totally clips
Speaker 1: of me talking to ghosts or whatever, and I'm like
Speaker 1: maybe maybe, but like to me personally, I think it's
Speaker 1: exact same as the Internet and talking to strangers on
Speaker 1: the end or not. Sometimes you can get someone good,
Speaker 1: sometimes you're gonna get a demon. It can be just
Speaker 1: an innocent, nice thing but you can't control. It's the internet.
Speaker 1: You can't control who's going to come through. You can't
Speaker 1: control unless you unless you feel like you can. But
Speaker 1: I have my whole life been the exact same way
Speaker 1: as you. By the way, I don't play with the
Speaker 1: wigi boards. I'm just saying, Oh, this is what I've learned.
Speaker 3: This is No.
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to plead a case. I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to plead a case.
Speaker 2: Because the way you were just talking, I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: you know what it's like. You're also not on the ouiji.
Speaker 1: I'm not on it because my nails and I don't
Speaker 1: like to put my nails like my nails are too long,
Speaker 1: and I can't put my fingers on it properly because
Speaker 1: my nails are plastic. So I can't like not using
Speaker 1: the nails, I can't properly.
Speaker 3: No, do it?
Speaker 1: No, because you have to be a to put a
Speaker 1: little enough of you on it, but not too much.
Speaker 1: Is that Is that a part of it? Yes, you're
Speaker 1: not supposed to put your fingers down like you're supposed
Speaker 1: to like kind of hover.
Speaker 2: Oh, I see what you're saying. I see what you're saying.
Speaker 2: But the nails, the nails. Don't stop me. Don't blame.
Speaker 2: Don't blame what like the jel x. I don't know
Speaker 2: what you get, okay, jel Okay.
Speaker 1: It's the gel x. Yeah, that's why I can't play.
Speaker 2: You can't be blamed.
Speaker 1: That's why. That's why I can't be here, guys. That's
Speaker 1: why I have to go home.
Speaker 3: Guys.
Speaker 2: Sorry, I have to go home.
Speaker 3: It's it's my manicure, it's my nail. I can't do
Speaker 3: it because of my nails. Yeah, my nails will be pissed.
Speaker 1: With demons again.
Speaker 2: No, No, I I respect all of that, and I
Speaker 2: feel all that. I think.
Speaker 3: It's still like I'm gonna let whoever wants.
Speaker 2: To do this thing.
Speaker 1: It's like nobody says you have to do.
Speaker 2: Of course not.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of things in this life where I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm not. I don't even jumping out of a plane, No,
Speaker 1: I why that to me is not something I am
Speaker 1: interested at all.
Speaker 2: No cave diving. You know people who swim in the caves.
Speaker 1: Never in a million years am I jumping in a cave.
Speaker 2: No, I don't even want to be in a cave,
Speaker 2: a regular.
Speaker 1: Aladdin, that thing closed in I'm not going down there. No, no,
Speaker 1: stuck in a cave. It's trapped with a genie hell
Speaker 1: doing impressions of people. No, I am not doing that.
Speaker 2: No, yeah, you're gonna die.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Or would you know the one The Descent that movie? No, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's this group of I'm assuming lesbians, but maybe not.
Speaker 1: It's a group of women that goes blunking, which that
Speaker 1: is a term when you jump into the caves. These
Speaker 1: ladies say no boys allowed, just as girls. We're gonna
Speaker 1: get our and we're gonna go splunking. And they splunk
Speaker 1: into this cave. Turns out there's some creatures in there
Speaker 1: that can't see them if they move. The creatures can
Speaker 1: only detect if they move, so they have to be
Speaker 1: completely still. And there's like these like naked mole rat
Speaker 1: looking creatures. It's terrifying. The Descent. Hey, you've been a
Speaker 1: great guest.
Speaker 2: Oh, thank you so much.
Speaker 1: Can you tell people where to find you?
Speaker 2: Oh me?
Speaker 3: You know in Los Angeles you can find me all around.
Speaker 3: I'm zoom I'm zipping and zapping across this little city.
Speaker 3: But you know you can also follow me on Instagram.
Speaker 3: I am Rachel Pegram.
Speaker 1: Are you still doing your show at barco Yes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Wednesdays. We're back Wednesdays at eight pm at Covel.
Speaker 1: It's a great show. Thank you. So people should absolutely
Speaker 1: go if you're in La Wednesday nights Barcoval.
Speaker 2: It's a great time.
Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much. You want to go play
Speaker 1: with Echi Ai?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, another day in the hole?
Speaker 2: Oh, another day in the whole.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much to Rachel, and thank you for listening.
Speaker 1: As always, please check out my instagram at Roz Hernandez
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