Speaker 1: What's up? Everyone? Listen up, Davon is about to pop
Speaker 1: off and you don't want to miss it. I'm just kidding, Hi,
Speaker 1: I'm doing simone. What is my name?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 3: I am Davion Roger And this is MTV's official Challenge podcast.
Speaker 1: Now now look, woo boy boy, oh boy. Today is
Speaker 1: a day that was an episode so much going on day?
Speaker 1: Wouldn't you say?
Speaker 3: This episode was out of control? Like across the Boy.
Speaker 3: I don't even know where to start what I I
Speaker 3: don't know? This episode was just a lot, a lot,
Speaker 3: A lot, A lot, a lot. How did you feel?
Speaker 3: Let's let's just go in order?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 3: How did you feel about the challenge?
Speaker 1: I want to know how heavy that wishbone? I knows?
Speaker 1: I know because I feel like it would have been
Speaker 1: super the era one initially thinking they could sit it
Speaker 1: up straight. I just need tea, and the way that
Speaker 1: they yelled at each other, Oh my gosh, I can't
Speaker 1: And then can we get into wait wait, wait, okay,
Speaker 1: because I need it on a T shirt? What Tina said?
Speaker 1: Bob and weed bitch Bob and we he was like,
Speaker 1: what are we supposed to know?
Speaker 3: He was like, where do we go?
Speaker 1: She was like Bob and we bitch Bob and we
Speaker 1: I cannot. I literally that needs to be a shirt.
Speaker 1: Somebody please make it out and send it to me
Speaker 1: in New York. Thank you. Amazing. Yeah, that was so good.
Speaker 1: What were your thoughts about A day?
Speaker 3: I was extremely impressed, not because it's my era, but
Speaker 3: I was extremely impressed with Era four. Communication was on points,
Speaker 3: hustle was on point, everything was on point, and so
Speaker 3: I was extremely extremely proud of them. Now Era one
Speaker 3: holds a very special place in my heart. But my
Speaker 3: babies are breaking down.
Speaker 1: Okay, like that mentally physically, they're all just completely breaking down.
Speaker 1: And you know what's an interesting sort of an observation
Speaker 1: is I think, because this is just my hypothesis, the
Speaker 1: longer you do the show, the more you think you
Speaker 1: know about it right because you're doing it. So we
Speaker 1: saw Era one fighting the most because no one wanted
Speaker 1: to back down from their perspective because they're like, look,
Speaker 1: I've seen this show for twenty years or I've been
Speaker 1: on this show for how many times or whatever else,
Speaker 1: which is probably true just for like aging in general.
Speaker 1: You know, the older you get, you feel like you
Speaker 1: get stubborn. So yeah, it was interesting seeing because it
Speaker 1: seemed like each era progressively their communication just got worse.
Speaker 3: Yeah it was, it was a hot mess. Era two
Speaker 3: what no better? But across the board, this was this
Speaker 3: challenge right here. And that's the thing that I love
Speaker 3: about these dailies is it's not just okay, let's get
Speaker 3: from point A to point B or let's do it
Speaker 3: like you have to talk.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of.
Speaker 3: Communication that goes on and that's where the ball gets
Speaker 3: dropped a lot, like how communication sucks across the board.
Speaker 3: And so I just I was really proud of Era
Speaker 3: four in this. Now they win and then we get
Speaker 3: into the chamber, laughing so hard, let's get into this
Speaker 3: chamber because I really feel like I feel like Tina,
Speaker 3: even though she didn't do any of the talking, I
Speaker 3: feel like she stole the show of the chamber because
Speaker 3: my girl was in there with her pen and pencil
Speaker 3: and her notepad and she was taking all of the notes,
Speaker 3: every single piece of tea that was spilled. My girl
Speaker 3: she got it like she got all of it. And
Speaker 3: so I was really really really impressed watching this.
Speaker 1: Nea Mayah, you know what you would think after all
Speaker 1: these years, he would like learn to politic better. My god,
Speaker 1: I feel like you would. And you know what, I
Speaker 1: respect Devin so much for his approach in that situation.
Speaker 1: I respect because I do. We talk about people getting
Speaker 1: frazzled in making quick decisions for like voting people in
Speaker 1: and blah blah blah blah blah and be on the spot,
Speaker 1: but I feel like some people get themselves in trouble
Speaker 1: on this show. Yeah, because they make quick agreeance. They
Speaker 1: agree quickly when presented with you know, oh, be an alliance,
Speaker 1: like they kind of just like yeah, okay, and they
Speaker 1: don't really think it through. And I respect so much
Speaker 1: that Devin was like, you know, this sounds cool, but
Speaker 1: here's how I play, Like I need to take it
Speaker 1: back to my teammate, Like I just like mad props
Speaker 1: to him being grace under pressure in that regard, and
Speaker 1: it obviously served him well in the end. And he
Speaker 1: wasn't the first to tell on Niam, Like, he didn't
Speaker 1: even bring it up in deliberation as far as we saw.
Speaker 3: I was completely and even like lie, like me, come
Speaker 3: kind of do something. I was just so like, what
Speaker 3: is going on?
Speaker 1: I mean, he couldn't lie, but he should have thought through.
Speaker 1: He should have thought through the steps, Like I guess
Speaker 1: he really just didn't expect Devin to turn him down.
Speaker 1: But you also to negotiate, much like in dating. Okay,
Speaker 1: here we go. You gotta know what you bring to
Speaker 1: the table and be honest about it. So people trying
Speaker 1: to strike deals from a place of a disadvantage. Now granted,
Speaker 1: he had Emily on his team, which is an advantage,
Speaker 1: but it's not like he and Emily are aligned or
Speaker 1: teammates for the whole time, you know, like two person
Speaker 1: team the whole time. They just happen to be paired
Speaker 1: up in this moment. And Devin probably knew deep down
Speaker 1: that Emily speaks for herself in general, Like he probably
Speaker 1: knew that if Emily was on board, she would have
Speaker 1: come and spoken to him. And so look, love Nea
Speaker 1: mayah down and I would say the same thing about myself.
Speaker 1: But when negotiating, But you can't take two peanuts and
Speaker 1: try and get a smartphone, Like it's just not a
Speaker 1: fair trade. You need to be serious about what you
Speaker 1: are bringing, are off or maybe collect some more nuts.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but we've seen it time and time
Speaker 1: again fail and then people get mad, yeah, because they
Speaker 1: their trade isn't accepted. And I think in this situation,
Speaker 1: Neamyah was very much even though he won and again
Speaker 1: shout out to Niamaiyah, but I think the way he
Speaker 1: presented the trade was very much. It was peanuts, yeah.
Speaker 3: Because and you also take into account who you're approaching.
Speaker 3: Devin is attached to half the cast, and it was.
Speaker 1: A mastermind when it comes to yeah, so.
Speaker 3: You know, it's almost like, no, what can you bring
Speaker 3: me that I don't already have?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: He got peanuts, acorns, patascios, he got them all.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I just it didn't if people need to learn
Speaker 1: that's like negotiation one oh one, or at least make
Speaker 1: it a peer, like you have more than nuts in
Speaker 1: the box. I don't know something and he did not.
Speaker 1: And what are your thoughts on how Kylin and Olivia
Speaker 1: handled it?
Speaker 3: I was here for it because Kyler was just kind
Speaker 3: of sitting back let everything. He really didn't have to
Speaker 3: do much but just kind of presented and then just
Speaker 3: watch every because as long as Devin and Nehemiah are
Speaker 3: kind of going back and forth telling on themselves of
Speaker 3: what happened, all you can do is sit there and
Speaker 3: collect information. And so I feel like the type of
Speaker 3: player that I believe that Kylon is. This was a
Speaker 3: great opportunity for him to sit back and whatever he
Speaker 3: did not know, he was able to get in.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I agree.
Speaker 3: So let's get into this elimination. Because what did we watch, Devin,
Speaker 3: What do we go to home depots today?
Speaker 1: Watch Tim the two man, Taylor and his neighbor Wilson.
Speaker 1: I was Wilson. We were all Wilson looking over the fence.
Speaker 1: If you're too young to get that reference, google it anyway. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was a lot watching this elimination and to see
Speaker 1: CT go out on this one, it hurts weirdly.
Speaker 3: I don't like it going on. Yeah, I mean, and
Speaker 3: shout out to Neamya because he did that. He did
Speaker 3: he did that. And shout out for setting the standard
Speaker 3: because maybe everybody tried to copy. So shout out to Tina.
Speaker 1: Tina looked like she was doing a demonstration at Costco.
Speaker 1: She made it look so easy. You know when you
Speaker 1: end up buying all that stuff you don't need, because
Speaker 1: when they did it, it looked so easy. You're like, oh,
Speaker 1: I can hang a hundred pictures at once too. She
Speaker 1: made it one two step, It's done, and then you
Speaker 1: get home and you're like, why I don't even know
Speaker 1: I did this to myself. That was Tina. Tina made
Speaker 1: it look so easy.
Speaker 3: My goodness, it was so different for everybody. And then
Speaker 3: we get to these targets. Okay, this is where we
Speaker 3: made differ, right, Okay, I'm listening because my heart breaks
Speaker 3: for Johnny and I know that, and I know you're
Speaker 3: gonna be like, well, she went back on her worm.
Speaker 1: Like Okay, I don't sound like that.
Speaker 3: But for me, I feel like, what do you do?
Speaker 3: You know that you have this big alliance that are
Speaker 3: going to protect each other and they're not You're not
Speaker 3: in that alliance, and you're kind of like I think
Speaker 3: she kind of felt like, oh, they can't see me, but.
Speaker 1: She was drowning, and she like, what do I do?
Speaker 1: But I wonder if and we don't know, we'll have
Speaker 1: to get her on to ask this because obviously there's
Speaker 1: only so much they can show. But I wonder because
Speaker 1: my thought process is and I hear her concern. It's valid,
Speaker 1: especially when she's like, yeah, of course they want me
Speaker 1: to vote myself in. But also I know I'm at
Speaker 1: the bottom of the totem pole. I hear all of that.
Speaker 1: But my question is, then did she have real conversations,
Speaker 1: not defensive ones, not just save me, but real conversations
Speaker 1: individually with like, okay, cool, I'm happy to be a
Speaker 1: team player now, knowing it's gonna have to break up
Speaker 1: at some point. I'm happy being a team player now,
Speaker 1: voting myself in now because we've all we're all taking
Speaker 1: turns like I'm fair, But are we all on the
Speaker 1: same page or can I have your word that for
Speaker 1: this game though, we as a team are gonna fight
Speaker 1: hard to win. I wonder because now she's just kissed
Speaker 1: everybody off. Whatever she didn't work, because she's now great.
Speaker 1: Now you're going in. Now the whole house potentially knows
Speaker 1: that you like waffled, and so now no one's gonna
Speaker 1: it's while she was trying to play a hidden game,
Speaker 1: which I you know, I respect, she's now there's like
Speaker 1: a limelight on her in a negative way, and I just.
Speaker 3: And that's the hard part because I don't know who
Speaker 3: her allies are, but it doesn't seem like she has
Speaker 3: a lot of allies inside of the house, and so
Speaker 3: that's what makes her going back on her word different
Speaker 3: from Josh going back on his work because he can
Speaker 3: fall back on his lions, you know, and they're gonna
Speaker 3: cover and protect him. She doesn't have anybody to fall
Speaker 3: back on, so she's kind of stuck like a truck.
Speaker 1: You gotta be brave, like in this game. I think
Speaker 1: for all of us there's some element of bravery. And
Speaker 1: we've seen Johnny do it time and time again. I mean,
Speaker 1: she's a multi time champ. I think. I don't know
Speaker 1: if it's because this is the main show. I don't
Speaker 1: know if it's because it was forty. I don't know
Speaker 1: if because the dynamics were different, having the different eras,
Speaker 1: but it was like in that moment, we really needed
Speaker 1: to see the john a bravery.
Speaker 3: I think that's I think that's the hard part because
Speaker 3: it's like it's that fine line between bravery versus stupidity.
Speaker 1: Yeah no, I'm not saying. Look, I think the difference
Speaker 1: is if no, no one's volunteering themselves ever and you
Speaker 1: suddenly go, I'm gonna do it like that time Jordan
Speaker 1: did it back in the day or whatever else that's stupid,
Speaker 1: or what Tony did that's stupid. But if there starts
Speaker 1: to be a trend of the team and everyone's kind
Speaker 1: of on board. It's kind of like picking your battles right, Like,
Speaker 1: the risk potentially is greater by jumping out of line
Speaker 1: against the team right now than it would have been
Speaker 1: to volunteer, make sure the team's on board to win though,
Speaker 1: kick ass for the next challenge, whatever that may be,
Speaker 1: and then from that point on, at least she can
Speaker 1: be like, Okay, I'm a woman on my word. You know,
Speaker 1: she could build alliances around her word being valuable. But
Speaker 1: we'll just have to see how it plays out. I
Speaker 1: get her fear, but I feel like it's putting her
Speaker 1: in a tougher spot. Speaking of a tough spot, why
Speaker 1: don't we talk about who's getting your gold, your silver,
Speaker 1: your bronze, your participation, and then we'll go into who's
Speaker 1: getting the gold star and the timeout of the week,
Speaker 1: starting with you.
Speaker 3: Day okay, Era one participation. I'm glad you guys are here,
Speaker 3: so glad that Charlie reed to come and do this challenge.
Speaker 3: Era two bronze.
Speaker 1: We appreciate you too.
Speaker 3: We appreciate you too. Era three m okay, okay. Now,
Speaker 3: usually I would have given them bronze for the way
Speaker 3: that it was just chaotic and it was hecticing all
Speaker 3: this yelling and screaming, but sometimes sometimes you need it.
Speaker 3: It's almost like this is gonna sound so bad. It's
Speaker 3: almost like you don't understand what I'm saying unless I'm yelling,
Speaker 3: Like you don't get it unless I'm yelling. If I
Speaker 3: just say it to you don't understand it. But when
Speaker 3: I start yelling, then you understand it. And so that's
Speaker 3: what was happening. Jordan was like, listen, if you would
Speaker 3: just do this, do that, Like he really had to
Speaker 3: put his foot down, you know, and Tory had to
Speaker 3: put her foot down in order for them to make
Speaker 3: it come together. And so that's I'm gonna give them
Speaker 3: the silver, and I'm gonna give the gold medal to
Speaker 3: Era four because they rocked out. They rocked out today
Speaker 3: or that day.
Speaker 1: But what about you, that's all valid Era one Yes participation.
Speaker 1: I think we align like, thank you for showing thank
Speaker 1: you for getting out of bed. I know it was
Speaker 1: probably a struggle to do some stretches, but appreciate you
Speaker 1: for getting out of bed. Then bronze is gonna go
Speaker 1: to I'm actually gonna say it's gonna go to Air two. Yep,
Speaker 1: because of the all the fighting just in general, all
Speaker 1: the fighting and Laurel's play was a smart play for
Speaker 1: her game. I don't love it, but it's a valid
Speaker 1: play for her game. And and if Emily seems like
Speaker 1: she wants, the longer you let her in the game,
Speaker 1: the harder it's gonna be to get her out. And
Speaker 1: she's on your team, so you're not gonna be able
Speaker 1: to personally take her out. That's not a dumb move,
Speaker 1: it's just it's not But give them bronze. Silver is
Speaker 1: gonna have to go to Era three as well. I
Speaker 1: like the way they handled negotiations this time, like, I
Speaker 1: think it was played very well. And then yes gold
Speaker 1: has to go to air for the communication level was
Speaker 1: on point. Yeah, they did an excellent job and executing.
Speaker 1: They seemed pretty calm throughout the whole time. Here for
Speaker 1: it a fan. Now, who gets your gold Star of
Speaker 1: the week and your time out? And are we rationing
Speaker 1: it like it's nineteen twelve again?
Speaker 3: Okay, so I'm gonna pull you. I'm gonna have a nominee. Okay,
Speaker 3: the editor when they talk about Laurel throwing it, and
Speaker 3: then it cuts to her confessional when she's like, well,
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, her leaving is not a bad thing.
Speaker 1: Ed is top Tiers so good?
Speaker 3: It was so good. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 3: I feel like one person owned for me this entire episode,
Speaker 3: and I'm going to give it to Tita to the
Speaker 3: same I'm gonna give it to Tina. Tina rocked this
Speaker 3: episode for me, like hands down, by herself. I'm not
Speaker 3: giving no parts to nobody else. I'm giving it to Tina.
Speaker 3: How about you?
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, this was Tina's episode. Hands down. Tina is
Speaker 1: freaking hilarious. I cannot Bob and we bitch is literally
Speaker 1: a needs to go on a shirt Bob and we
Speaker 1: bitch Bob and wech And then was the other thing
Speaker 1: when they said the name of the elimination, it was
Speaker 1: called getting hammered, and she said, ooh I did that
Speaker 1: last night. Tina is everything. And then her turn te
Speaker 1: tea making up like thirty seconds after being like, oh, if.
Speaker 3: You like, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: Tina is just she is a whole. Like it took
Speaker 1: everything I mean not to text her because we like girl,
Speaker 1: like I cannot with you. She's freaking hilarious. She gets
Speaker 1: my gold star, who gets your time out of the week?
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna put two people in time out this week.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna Putkarra and Laurel in timeout. And not only
Speaker 3: in timeout, I want to put them in one of
Speaker 3: them oversized T shirts with the two heads so they
Speaker 3: can have the one T shirt, that get along T shirt?
Speaker 3: Because what are we doing? This is long, this is dragged,
Speaker 3: as tired. The story has ran stale. We are tired
Speaker 3: of it. Either get it together or don't ever talk
Speaker 3: to each other ever again, Like pick a side, like
Speaker 3: don't straddle the fence. Y'all can't be in a gray
Speaker 3: area no more. Ain't no more gray. You're black or
Speaker 3: you're white. What you're doing? Get up out of there.
Speaker 1: I can't.
Speaker 3: I can't handle it anymore because now it's starting to
Speaker 3: get very It's like it's nasty. It's starting to get
Speaker 3: really nasty between the two of them. And as far
Speaker 3: as this situation that happened today, both were wrong my
Speaker 3: personal opinion, I felt like Kara was pushing the buttons
Speaker 3: and egging it on, but Laurel self control, so it's
Speaker 3: like come on, like, oh, it was just it's.
Speaker 1: Not fun to watch.
Speaker 3: We don't want to see that. It's too heavy. Great competitors,
Speaker 3: like such great women, strong competitors like pull it together
Speaker 3: and to say, get yourself together. That's what we want
Speaker 3: to see.
Speaker 1: This is why said Dave Bon's gonna pop off earlier,
Speaker 1: you guys, because we've talked about this. I agree. I think,
Speaker 1: A it's just so toxic. I'm gonna throw one additional
Speaker 1: person there, Michelle, because I feel like she is climbing
Speaker 1: the wall to like be in that toxicity. And I
Speaker 1: think all three of them, it's not good for any
Speaker 1: of them. I also, I think sometimes we have to
Speaker 1: remember that naturally people root for the underdog, and people
Speaker 1: can be deemed an underdog, whether it be their experience,
Speaker 1: whether it be their size, whether it be their voice,
Speaker 1: how they present themselves, all sorts of things, and oftentimes
Speaker 1: what will happen is when the sort of bigger person
Speaker 1: or the one the seemingly top dog, bites back at
Speaker 1: the underdog, even if the underdog was like the chihuahua
Speaker 1: that was biting initially, then the top dog gets the
Speaker 1: most flax. So seeing that sort of juxtaposition of Laurel
Speaker 1: by herself, but I think she probably does better by
Speaker 1: herself and everyone coming around Kara like oh, like I look,
Speaker 1: it was bad for both of them, and I feel
Speaker 1: for both of them, but it's not realistic to pretend
Speaker 1: we didn't watch Kara poking, poking, poking, pok poking, and
Speaker 1: Laurel bit back and she bit back really hard and
Speaker 1: went lower than like I when she said what she said,
Speaker 1: Kara calling her stupid b I was just like, oh gosh,
Speaker 1: that's awful, because it is and not okay. But she
Speaker 1: also was trying to make a sandwich and was being
Speaker 1: antagonized a lot.
Speaker 3: You antagonized when you hungry.
Speaker 1: Oh, don't do what I'm hungry. No, there's a tw
Speaker 1: if you go on my instagram, pretty sure's a tweet
Speaker 1: that says I'm sorry for the things I said when
Speaker 1: I was hungry, and because yeah, yeah, you don't want
Speaker 1: me to bite back. So my mother's like that, Lord,
Speaker 1: you don't want her to my back. She's I mom.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think it's just all bad. So all
Speaker 1: three of them get time out. Because also, Michelle, we're
Speaker 1: seeing this again too, and we've seen it before. You're
Speaker 1: trying to be We've talked about it on the podcast,
Speaker 1: like let it go, Michelle. You have people who love
Speaker 1: you have a budding romance girl. All right, like, go
Speaker 1: enjoy all the great things that are happening. You don't
Speaker 1: need Laurel's approval. So yeah, all of them going to
Speaker 1: time out along with TJ's shirt. That's the shirt they
Speaker 1: can wear. But this episode is a winner. It's a
Speaker 1: gold star across the board. We have a fabulous guest
Speaker 1: coming on. Who do we have day?
Speaker 3: We have the one, the only, mislove and peace herself,
Speaker 3: Emily strom I can't wait. Oh this is gonna be
Speaker 3: a good one. Buckle up, people, And she has some tea,
Speaker 3: I mean, Mike like, she has some tea, healthy tea
Speaker 3: coming up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right after this. Okay, let's get back to the show,
Speaker 1: ladies and gentle friends. We are so excited to welcome
Speaker 1: our next guest. She's been described as a walking ray
Speaker 1: of sunshine, and I have to say I very much agree.
Speaker 1: Probably the most positive energy in the Challenge house. We
Speaker 1: were so sad to see her go today, but she's
Speaker 1: here with us right now. Please give it up for
Speaker 1: the fabulous Emily Stromo.
Speaker 2: You know, at least I was tan, you all, at
Speaker 2: least I was tan.
Speaker 1: That's literally what she was commenting, you guys, when we
Speaker 1: were watching the elimination, she just kept commenting, at least
Speaker 1: I look tan stuff snatched excellent. What was going on
Speaker 1: with that? I know we're jumping ahead, but it's because
Speaker 1: you also said in the comments as we were watching this,
Speaker 1: watch the boys try to do Tina's technique as well.
Speaker 1: And sure enough, the boys tried Tina's technique and fit.
Speaker 1: Obviously it an't work. So what exactly was going on?
Speaker 2: It's so hard because you never want to take away
Speaker 2: from the winner, right, Like I want Tina, Tina needs
Speaker 2: to have that win in some ways, like it's I
Speaker 2: still don't think she needed to have them win more
Speaker 2: than I wanted to have that win, but like it's
Speaker 2: good to see someone succeed, you know. So, But the
Speaker 2: fact that because I was trying that at first, then
Speaker 2: I started to go back to pulling it because it
Speaker 2: was getting worse and I was getting yelled at from
Speaker 2: the crowd try it again, because to them and to
Speaker 2: the TV just watching it, it's like, she all you do?
Speaker 3: Is this?
Speaker 2: That's all you do?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it looks like a no brainer.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's just not the case. It's one of those
Speaker 2: things where of course she tried. Of course, it was
Speaker 2: high effort. She's also a manifestor in human design, which
Speaker 2: I'm super obsessed with. It's kind of like astrology on crack,
Speaker 2: you know. So I'm like, okay, she manifested this, and
Speaker 2: she's Vietnamese, so like she had maybe like all her
Speaker 2: ancestors were behind his board and they just like blew
Speaker 2: the eye. You know, who knows, but like just based
Speaker 2: on seeing I'm so glad they did show CTA and
Speaker 2: the Amayah trying it, because until they tried it, everyone
Speaker 2: thought that I did it a wrong way, like you
Speaker 2: were just like, come on, why are you doing it
Speaker 2: this way? And it's just just put sideways and it
Speaker 2: was like no, right, So I had to make a decision,
Speaker 2: you know, I will just go one by one. There's
Speaker 2: no other way around this. I heard her her nails drop,
Speaker 2: and I, you know, my heart just sunk. It was
Speaker 2: like it was a machine gun, you know, And I
Speaker 2: was so ready for something physical, and I knew walking in,
Speaker 2: I was already kind of like laughing about it.
Speaker 1: It was very tim the two man Taylor. It was
Speaker 1: very sure. It was very that though I do like
Speaker 1: that they have equalizer elimination, you know, like it's a
Speaker 1: nice balance.
Speaker 2: It is, but you know, Equalizer is also like a puzzle.
Speaker 2: It's also like, you know, something a little bit more
Speaker 2: engaging mentally.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, look, I will say this, the ending
Speaker 1: shot was a little funny with a CT and Neamaiah,
Speaker 1: which also I was mind blown by that, like completely,
Speaker 1: I just I didn't. I still have mixed feelings about
Speaker 1: it all. But the ending show, you know how it's
Speaker 1: always so dramatic watching the ending shot elimination. Two things
Speaker 1: sit out to me about this. One One was TJ
Speaker 1: standing behind you all watching like a proud or unproud
Speaker 1: dad at a soccer match, Like he was just standing
Speaker 1: just behind like watching the whole time. I thought that
Speaker 1: was very funny. And then two the like slow down
Speaker 1: freeze frame as they were finishing, namely CT and Neemayah,
Speaker 1: and it's them just doing like an Amazon demonstration, you know,
Speaker 1: like a hang like here's how you hang your photo,
Speaker 1: like like that's as actually what it was.
Speaker 2: And I do feel you know, and they said even
Speaker 2: talking to Torri after the fact, She's like, dude, you
Speaker 2: I mean I almost caught up. You can't see it,
Speaker 2: but like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we saw it, Okay, thank.
Speaker 1: You I didn't, so I'm glad you pointed it that
Speaker 1: I didn't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I was like, oh, I'm I have
Speaker 2: to individually do this one by one and still catch up.
Speaker 2: But I was already more than three fourths of the
Speaker 2: board done putting the nails in, so like full send,
Speaker 2: you know, this is all I can do. I remember
Speaker 2: hitting the nail in and like my glove got hit.
Speaker 2: So at the end of the elimination, my glove is hanging.
Speaker 1: Like so sadly on the board. Yeah, an tij was so.
Speaker 2: Oh man, he was right behind me, just cheering me on,
Speaker 2: like keep going, you know, like he really was in
Speaker 2: my corner. He like it was. It was sad, but
Speaker 2: there was just nothing else to do. So I do
Speaker 2: know had I gone against anyone except Tina who manifested
Speaker 2: this wild rage against this board.
Speaker 1: And she does woodworking. Did you hear that she does
Speaker 1: woodworking in her shoes and her letter? Guess yes?
Speaker 2: But like I also have FaceTime Tina, and I'm like, Tina,
Speaker 2: We're looking at her backyard.
Speaker 3: She's like, look what I built.
Speaker 2: I go, oh my god, you build that, And she's like,
Speaker 2: I mean I hired people, And I'm like wait, wait, wait,
Speaker 2: so the one worker didn't tell people what to do,
Speaker 2: and I think it's the latter, so she might have
Speaker 2: said that, but I mean, I'm over here. I live
Speaker 2: on a farm building garden boxes. Like if anyone was
Speaker 2: going to nail this challenge, it was me, you know,
Speaker 2: like I really was like very comfortable with this, and
Speaker 2: I know she said it, but like, come on, Tina,
Speaker 2: we know you hired someone for that.
Speaker 1: It's actually interesting that the two So if it's true
Speaker 1: that Tina primarily hires people and does it would work
Speaker 1: if that is the case or the angle she takes,
Speaker 1: it's interesting that the two people then, who probably do
Speaker 1: have more experience with nailing things because you said you
Speaker 1: build flower boxes and CT has done construction, that those
Speaker 1: were the two that didn't win because you know, good
Speaker 1: and well me and my and he basically alluded to
Speaker 1: it does not do this on a regular It was
Speaker 1: like upside down day.
Speaker 2: No skill required. This challenge had no skill required, and
Speaker 2: I just think it was one of those things where
Speaker 2: I had to fully accept the challenge had spit me out,
Speaker 2: you know, I had come back. I was like I'm ready,
Speaker 2: and every single female up there you saw it on
Speaker 2: some of their faces, the relief of me leaving. I
Speaker 2: don't blame them. I mean, like they just won that moment.
Speaker 2: You know, like there's nobody in that crowd that I
Speaker 2: wasn't afraid of or I was afraid of, right, And
Speaker 2: if I get to the final, we know what I'm
Speaker 2: capable of. And I felt that I walked into the
Speaker 2: Challenge house on day one and I, you know, not judgmentally,
Speaker 2: but I'm like, okay, sizing everybody up. Where's their fitness at?
Speaker 2: Where's the mental game at? Clearly I've been gone a
Speaker 2: long time. I don't really know what to expect, but
Speaker 2: I know I am the most prepared in every possible
Speaker 2: way that I can be, and I have no doubt
Speaker 2: that I can make it to the final and win.
Speaker 2: The fact that I got out this early, you know,
Speaker 2: in this kind of weird, bizarre elimination, everyone was stoked.
Speaker 2: I mean no question, they were glad I was gone.
Speaker 3: We saw it on their faces and we heard it
Speaker 3: from their mouths. Like that has to feel so good,
Speaker 3: knowing like, oh, y'all was terrified, Like well, amen, Like
Speaker 3: that had to feel really really good. You spoke about
Speaker 3: how you've been gone for a long time, like your
Speaker 3: last season was ten years ago, over ten years ago,
Speaker 3: and so what was the most shocking part about coming
Speaker 3: back into this chaotic, amazing environment.
Speaker 2: I mean, you guys you can tell like I'm kind
Speaker 2: of having a good time, you know, like I really
Speaker 2: am having a good time, because I think the most
Speaker 2: shocking is so hippie of me. But the most shocking
Speaker 2: is like they don't even have real grass. There's nothing
Speaker 2: natural or nature. The amount of effort had go to
Speaker 2: to climb trees and find trees, you know, Like I
Speaker 2: was always so grateful, you know when they had plant
Speaker 2: their landscapers there. That's truthfully, the most shocking was just
Speaker 2: like I'm in the middle of really hot summer Vietnam
Speaker 2: and it's like concrete and there's just a lot of people,
Speaker 2: and I the last i'd say two years, have been
Speaker 2: driving around in a van, jumping in rivers and climbing mountains,
Speaker 2: you know, so I like have no concept of just
Speaker 2: being stuck. So to me, that was the shift. It
Speaker 2: was like, oh, I really have to adjust quickly to
Speaker 2: being like told what to do to go to this place.
Speaker 2: And that's the adjustment that's the hardest for me is
Speaker 2: losing that freedom, but then it's always worth it because
Speaker 2: you're making it with the goal in mind. This is
Speaker 2: short term. I'm here for a reason, which they didn't
Speaker 2: even really share. You know. They always show like cute
Speaker 2: pictures of people's families of like why they're there to
Speaker 2: win the money. They didn't even show that.
Speaker 1: I'm like, there were seventy five of y'all there, it'd
Speaker 1: be three hour episodes.
Speaker 2: That's very true. That's very true. Touche Devin, touche.
Speaker 3: What what are you fighting for?
Speaker 2: Well, it's just you'll see this little orange pin that
Speaker 2: I'm wearing always in my on my overalls or you'll
Speaker 2: kind of start to see it. And I've just become
Speaker 2: obsessed with the idea that we can radically change the
Speaker 2: farming world, and we have to do that soon because
Speaker 2: it's directly impacting our environment in detrimental ways. We might
Speaker 2: not even have food growing in four years because of
Speaker 2: soil health. So it's joinpeel dot com and it's an
Speaker 2: ag tech platform that connects growers to buyers and buyers
Speaker 2: to growers, and it's so dope and it really helps
Speaker 2: us understand where food comes from. Accessibility, food, sovereignty, but
Speaker 2: tech is not cheap. So it's just been like this
Speaker 2: mountain as an entrepreneur. But I obviously, like I'm understanding
Speaker 2: why they didn't show it because of the way what
Speaker 2: I just said, like that's too much time, too much
Speaker 2: time for them to put in an episode more of
Speaker 2: the story, Like our food is so important, it's everything,
Speaker 2: and I was in the fitness nutrition world for so
Speaker 2: long and and think about how food is grown and
Speaker 2: if we don't think about that, we're gonna have a
Speaker 2: shelf life and we have to start thinking about it.
Speaker 1: I love that, cause is that something that you and
Speaker 1: Brad connected over?
Speaker 2: Brad and I connected. This story is so good. I
Speaker 2: came to the show with ten pounds of my suitcase
Speaker 2: being oracle decks and Tarot decks and all my stage
Speaker 2: and all my crystals, right, so I had this huge box.
Speaker 2: It's like treasure chest. And I always would do these
Speaker 2: like full moon readings or a New Moon reading. And
Speaker 2: I sat down with Brad and this is before you like,
Speaker 2: I'm like, he's cute. I mean, he really is kind
Speaker 2: of my ex and new form like Brad biceps beard.
Speaker 2: I clearly have a type that I didn't know about.
Speaker 2: But I pulled him a card and it was this frequency.
Speaker 2: Have you guys played around a sound healing or sound
Speaker 2: frequency or sound baths? Have you ever heard of that before?
Speaker 2: There's these beautiful things that are popping up called sound
Speaker 2: where sound healing is like this ancient, It's been around forever.
Speaker 2: It is just truth. Like when you are injured, like
Speaker 2: if your neck hurts and you put frequency next to it,
Speaker 2: it heals it. And so Brad, Brad didn't tell me this,
Speaker 2: but I pulled this card and it was five hundred
Speaker 2: and twenty eight Herts. That was the card and I
Speaker 2: started reading it and he freaked out. He runs, He's
Speaker 2: like I need this right now. I'm like, what's going on?
Speaker 2: He comes back. He has a five twenty eight Hurts
Speaker 2: tuning fork that he has brought to the location. So
Speaker 2: we like had this moment of oh my god, we
Speaker 2: just connected on a soul harm level. So we started
Speaker 2: like we would just be on top of each other
Speaker 2: in bed, like putting this tuning fork on each other's
Speaker 2: body parts. We would have so much fun. We were
Speaker 2: so weird talking about everything that nobody else in the
Speaker 2: house wanted to talk about.
Speaker 1: Oh I love that for you did you run your
Speaker 1: fingers through his beard.
Speaker 2: Of course I would braid it, and then I would
Speaker 2: put like little Viking dread beard, you know how like
Speaker 2: Vikings have, like it's strings and things. I was like,
Speaker 2: let's just put little decorations. It's challenged.
Speaker 1: You beating his beard. I'm so cute. I think it's cute.
Speaker 1: I was surprised to see that matchup initially, but it
Speaker 1: sounds you guys sound freaking adorable. Have you seen him?
Speaker 1: Have you driven that van? Has it driven to Brad's house?
Speaker 1: Since the show has ended?
Speaker 2: It has not, But we have connected a few times.
Speaker 2: You know, we just randomly call each other and I
Speaker 2: know we'll see each other at some point. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's just fun. He's helping me figure out a dirt
Speaker 2: bike to get because I also ride motorcycles. So there's
Speaker 2: just like a lot of good, good energy.
Speaker 3: I like that. I like that a lot. Shout out
Speaker 3: to Bread. I think it's I think I support the movement. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I want to get into these targets because gre you
Speaker 3: nominated yourself. I know, and I want to know. This
Speaker 3: season has been very much so with a Josh, We're
Speaker 3: not gonna play with my friend like that. But this
Speaker 3: season has been very much so, uh, I'll do it.
Speaker 1: I'll do it.
Speaker 2: Why let me talk you through it. So first things first,
Speaker 2: I have built my reputation on not being scared and
Speaker 2: going in when I need to go in right. I
Speaker 2: will always face the challenge if it comes, and that's
Speaker 2: what I love about myself. That's why I show up
Speaker 2: to the challenge because I want to be scared. I
Speaker 2: don't want to just sit on the sidelines. So I
Speaker 2: was starting to get a little bit bored, you know,
Speaker 2: like there's only so much you can just cheer on
Speaker 2: for other people, and it's like, at some point I'm
Speaker 2: gonna have to play, right. We know that's the case.
Speaker 2: The second thing is a viv volunteered herself already, that
Speaker 2: was the first thing that she did. Then Kara gets
Speaker 2: put in already, and then Laura got picked as a target,
Speaker 2: so there really isn't anybody else that needs to claim
Speaker 2: the spot. Like, if I'm looking at what is fair,
Speaker 2: which is how I look at everything, that it's my turn.
Speaker 2: And then the third thing is Derek, who is the
Speaker 2: Leonardo DiCaprio gladiator of the show. I have such mad
Speaker 2: respect for him, all of his energy It's just so
Speaker 2: about the start of my own challenge career. When I
Speaker 2: first got to the challenge cutthroat. Both times I went
Speaker 2: into elimination were with Derek, and both times the way
Speaker 2: he is you guys know this, but also in person
Speaker 2: that's amplified the prep for it the day before, all
Speaker 2: of that energy, Like we are the same, you know,
Speaker 2: we trained the same, We're warriors. And so to watch
Speaker 2: him do what he's doing, you know, it's not the
Speaker 2: first time, it's the second time he's doing this. I
Speaker 2: get so fired up. I can't even hold it in.
Speaker 2: And then he's asking for a volunteer. Of course I'm
Speaker 2: gonna do it. It's just like everything made sense for
Speaker 2: me to do it. There was no way I wasn't
Speaker 2: going to do it, and I get it doesn't make sense,
Speaker 2: and Brad said it was silly. Brad and I had
Speaker 2: a huge thing. He was so pissed, And this is
Speaker 2: when we started to start, you know, realizing we had
Speaker 2: differences and it maybe was no longer cute to start
Speaker 2: making out. You know, like he was so upset about
Speaker 2: it because he knew it was his turn soon to
Speaker 2: volunteer or not. So he was seeing me as a
Speaker 2: way of like, damn, if she did that, that means
Speaker 2: I have to and that's not good for my game.
Speaker 2: And so we started butting heads in that department.
Speaker 1: That's why the van hasn't gone to visit Brad. There
Speaker 1: we go. Now we figured it out. That is why.
Speaker 1: Because our girl is a leader, not a follower. She
Speaker 1: does not play a scared game. Did you ever think
Speaker 1: when you were volunteering that Laurel would throw your team
Speaker 1: under the bus to try and get rid of you?
Speaker 2: Truthfully, you all like why did we not start with that?
Speaker 2: Because why had heard rumors? But until I saw it,
Speaker 2: I was like, I still am like, no, because we're
Speaker 2: still early enough in the game. Maybe we're not. Actually
Speaker 2: do I blame her no, because that was a smart move, right,
Speaker 2: Like on her end, she knows the threat I hold, right,
Speaker 2: so like it was a smart move. I just think
Speaker 2: I hate it because of the amount of times I
Speaker 2: try to have a conversation with her, the amount of
Speaker 2: times I tried to approach her. I knew something was
Speaker 2: about to go down before this challenge, and I would
Speaker 2: just say, hey, Laurel, let's talk. I don't want to talk,
Speaker 2: And I'm like, oh, you know, like I know something's
Speaker 2: going to go down, but like, I just want to
Speaker 2: get to this person. I just want to have a
Speaker 2: normal conversation of like I am here for a really
Speaker 2: big reason. I've been gone for a really long time.
Speaker 2: Give me a longer time to play, like give me
Speaker 2: game time. And the fact that she had that much
Speaker 2: control over my game time so sucks. It's the worst
Speaker 2: part of this format, you know, like the twists and
Speaker 2: the target and the ability for anybody to throw a
Speaker 2: challenge made this really hard because I am very much
Speaker 2: just like here to play, to compete to win, right,
Speaker 2: And it's in to have this other dynamic of like, wow,
Speaker 2: someone that I really do when she's good, I really
Speaker 2: do respect her. She has like you guys know, Laurel,
Speaker 2: she's the most stunning beautiful. She's a swan. She is
Speaker 2: like if I could put her into an animal archetype.
Speaker 2: She's like such a swan and you want her on
Speaker 2: your team. That's why Car and her go back and
Speaker 2: forth all the time. But like when she's not in
Speaker 2: a good place, which this challenge she clearly wasn't, it's awful.
Speaker 2: It's like a swan under threat is horrible. I was
Speaker 2: attacked by a swan when I was like four, I
Speaker 2: wanted to pet it and it attacked me, and I
Speaker 2: was just like, that's what Laurel.
Speaker 1: Was not be attacked by a swan Emily like the
Speaker 1: layers just keep.
Speaker 2: I swear that's this visual I have where it's just like, damn,
Speaker 2: just and I wish they didn't even show the best
Speaker 2: parts of this challenge. Johnny and I were on the
Speaker 2: hardest parts of this challenge. So this beam that we're
Speaker 2: carrying through the forest, we were on the why part
Speaker 2: of it, and it was so heavy and I ended
Speaker 2: up getting pretty intense migraine from the amount I hit
Speaker 2: the trees, Like there's I hit probably four times high
Speaker 2: hard impact trees tripping, Like the amount of effort right
Speaker 2: of like I'm at stake, I'm going all in on this.
Speaker 2: There was so much sweat and energy and tears for
Speaker 2: Johnny and I. Johnny really really efforted, and he was
Speaker 2: fighting for me. I mean, like he will always fight
Speaker 2: for me and I because I will protect him. So
Speaker 2: it was just super sucky to like feel that I
Speaker 2: was betrayed in some ways and then to watch it
Speaker 2: and be like, damn, she really just like she probably
Speaker 2: also was tired, she was out of shape. You know,
Speaker 2: she knew that.
Speaker 1: Not she rationalizing bad behavior. Wait did you you said
Speaker 1: you heard rumors that that that was the case, that
Speaker 1: she was sabotaging. Did you hear them in the house
Speaker 1: or was this after? Like I was going and.
Speaker 2: I tried to do the prep work, you know, like
Speaker 2: I'm not great at strategy, but I'm not bad, you know,
Speaker 2: I'm I'm able to really have the right conversations, and
Speaker 2: when it comes down to it, the only threat I
Speaker 2: really saw. I knew each person would be tough individually
Speaker 2: depending on the case, but like for me at the
Speaker 2: end of the final it's really going to be Laurel
Speaker 2: and Carr that I'm worried about.
Speaker 1: Really truly, I feel like you're sleeping on some people.
Speaker 2: Probably interesting watching them after this new challenges like in person,
Speaker 2: watching the way they're training, watching the way they're eating,
Speaker 2: watching hearing their stories, like I can do the math,
Speaker 2: Like I don't need to worry about that persones Like
Speaker 2: so it's really it's not even like just me looking
Speaker 2: at them. It's like, oh no, like any day, like
Speaker 2: I would feel very confident in how I would feel
Speaker 2: about going against them in a final.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's so fascinating because I hear what you're saying,
Speaker 1: and obviously they're beasts. But I think there are some people,
Speaker 1: and we don't know how the season plays out because
Speaker 1: I purposely avoid spoilers, but there are some people who
Speaker 1: play like even CT has been described it this way,
Speaker 1: certainly in some of the more recent seasons, where even
Speaker 1: if you're watching them in the game, even if you do,
Speaker 1: they don't become activated until they hit a certain benchmark.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: It's like Laurel and car are the loudest, but some
Speaker 1: people play less of a loud or an obvious game.
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm seeing it from like the physical standpoint, And
Speaker 2: at this point, I already know that Laurel doesn't have endurance, right,
Speaker 2: I already know that I would be fine in a
Speaker 2: in a final with her and it would come down
Speaker 2: to puzzles and look, but like I really I kind
Speaker 2: of stand by that, Like I would feel really confident
Speaker 2: with anybody knowing of course there's always a mixed bag
Speaker 2: of stuff and.
Speaker 1: Write some hammer and nails somewhere, right.
Speaker 2: But like the true like feeling I had was like
Speaker 2: the only threat I feel is with the people that
Speaker 2: are on my team. So to have that energy on
Speaker 2: my team, to be preparing for the whole challenge in
Speaker 2: that way and then realizing they're on my team, it
Speaker 2: made me so excited because it's like, look what we
Speaker 2: can do and how far we can get and and
Speaker 2: then to see Laurel do what she did, it felt
Speaker 2: too soon, you know, and it wasn't. That was a
Speaker 2: brilliant strategy move, but it was like, fuck, I wanted
Speaker 2: so badly to play longer with this.
Speaker 1: But also eating your own team is risky because you
Speaker 1: don't know what these team activities are going to be
Speaker 1: and so you know you're potentially putting your team at
Speaker 1: a disadvantage.
Speaker 2: Well, we want bodies, right, You want bodies because you
Speaker 2: need diversity, and who's going target? If not, it's just
Speaker 2: you target on me, target, you target me target. So
Speaker 2: even having three, even having four, you take off the
Speaker 2: pressure week for week. So uh yeah, there was no
Speaker 2: way that that was like in in my awareness. And
Speaker 2: what I had found out is as soon as I
Speaker 2: saw so the conversations I had were with Johnny and Jordan, like,
Speaker 2: I know you guys have strong relationships with Laura, but
Speaker 2: I need you to know that she's coming after me.
Speaker 2: I see it in the way she watches me. I
Speaker 2: see it in the way that she's talking to me.
Speaker 2: I see I just know. There was so much weird
Speaker 2: signs that I can tell you guys, like weird ass
Speaker 2: things would happen with Ryan and I and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: she is about to go down, and both of them
Speaker 2: are like, no, no, no, she wouldn't. She wouldn't, she wouldn't,
Speaker 2: and she did. Finally saw Johnny at our fun La event.
Speaker 2: It was like, He's like, Emily, you can't even believe it.
Speaker 2: She did it on purpose. Oh my god, I.
Speaker 1: Know, Johnny, You're like, duh, what were the things that
Speaker 1: you noticed? Yeah, what was happened she was doing?
Speaker 3: Like what were the so.
Speaker 2: Just very she wouldn't. She would avoid eye contact. Number one,
Speaker 2: avoiding eye contact at all costs, which like really bothers me,
Speaker 2: you know, like to all of a sudden have engaged
Speaker 2: in conversation and all of a sudden you're distant and
Speaker 2: you're just kind of being You just know something's up.
Speaker 2: The second thing was because we were in Vietnam and
Speaker 2: there's so much energy in Vietnam, like bad shit has
Speaker 2: happened in Vietnam, right, like really horrible things. And so
Speaker 2: I'm always trying to like leave flowers and altars, and
Speaker 2: so I left this like pretty altar every morning at
Speaker 2: this outdoor place. And when we were walking out for
Speaker 2: the challenge, this is crazy. All in replace of the
Speaker 2: flower was a massive pragmantis, like huge, and the exact
Speaker 2: same place is this. I know, this gets strange. So
Speaker 2: I'm an animal person. Ryan's an animal, like all the
Speaker 2: animal people kind of come around. So Laurel and I
Speaker 2: are looking at this pragmantis. I have a thing for pragmantiss.
Speaker 2: I think they're like my good luck charm. They show
Speaker 2: up in weird places, like yesterday one landed on my
Speaker 2: porch and I was like, yes, you know, like I
Speaker 2: get super excited about it. This pragmantis straight up. I
Speaker 2: wish I could show this on audio because like the mountain,
Speaker 2: he looked at Laurel, he just did this crazy creepy
Speaker 2: this is a big pregnantis. He goes and just stares
Speaker 2: at her, and I laughed so hard because I knew.
Speaker 2: I was like, she's not She's gonna do something fucked
Speaker 2: up today. And he's like, are you gonna do something
Speaker 2: fucked up today. So the whole time leading up to
Speaker 2: this church, even on the way walking into TJ, I
Speaker 2: look at her and I'm like, you don't pretend to
Speaker 2: be a pragmantis.
Speaker 1: Wait not you made praying Manta's hands at Laurel and.
Speaker 3: Little bit did it?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: Because I think she had a choice, and I know
Speaker 2: she feels guilty, but she knew what she was doing.
Speaker 2: And I just like, God, I can't wait to get
Speaker 2: to that reunion because it's just I just want to
Speaker 2: understand why. You know, It's just it's an interesting thing.
Speaker 2: If she keeps throwing around the word respect. We can't
Speaker 2: be throwing that word around with her conversations with Kara
Speaker 2: and do what she did, right, Like, there's just no way.
Speaker 3: All right, we have to take a quick break, but
Speaker 3: be right back after that.
Speaker 1: Ooh okay, let's get back into the show.
Speaker 3: I would like to know, and we're gonna jumping around,
Speaker 3: but I just want to since you brought it up,
Speaker 3: I want to get straight into it. Let's take away
Speaker 3: anything that may have happened before with Lara and Laurel, right,
Speaker 3: and just this one isolated incident, right, this big blow
Speaker 3: up as you're watching it as a viewer, who do
Speaker 3: you think started that?
Speaker 2: It's just interesting because there was behind the scenes of
Speaker 2: Laurel starting to hear Kara talking to Ryan or Kara
Speaker 2: talking to me, and so she was already really revved up.
Speaker 2: Like Laurel doesn't want to be seen badly, like she
Speaker 2: doesn't want to be called a fool, she doesn't want
Speaker 2: to be seen in a negative way, and it's an
Speaker 2: interesting dynamic. So but on screen, what people saw was
Speaker 2: Kara coming up to Laurel and starting that, right, That's
Speaker 2: that's what happened. And I think it was kind of
Speaker 2: an accumulation of four or five days of back and
Speaker 2: forth in weird remarks from Laurel slash passive aggressive kind
Speaker 2: of commentary that finally led to Kara feeling as if
Speaker 2: she needed to stand up and do something and somewhat
Speaker 2: protect Michelle because there was an issue that happened where
Speaker 2: Laurel ultimately made Michelle cry after this whole conversation happened,
Speaker 2: so Michelle's crying and upset and it got more nasty,
Speaker 2: and so Kara saw that as a way to comment
Speaker 2: Laurel and be like, you can't do this. You can't
Speaker 2: talk to people this way.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna just keep my mouth shut.
Speaker 3: Go ahead, day, Yeah, what are your what are you
Speaker 3: what are your overall thoughts of the Kara Laurel situation?
Speaker 1: Yeah, objectively, like, yeah, because you're wise, your empathy, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're you know, you're on the right frequencies. But so
Speaker 1: take out the fact that she sabotaged you in the game.
Speaker 1: Let's put that to the side for the second and
Speaker 1: then we'll pick it back up.
Speaker 2: Well, I think I said it best. And it's like
Speaker 2: the Karma vote for Kara is three because she still
Speaker 2: has a part to play, right, So, like there is
Speaker 2: something that's happening that there's not one party is innocent,
Speaker 2: and there's not good and there's not bad. There's just
Speaker 2: these two very dynamic people who probably at their core
Speaker 2: are like secretly in love with each other slash. They
Speaker 2: definitely have made out and there's this tension that they
Speaker 2: want each other's respect. But it's true that Laurel feels
Speaker 2: as if she has to coach Kara because I was
Speaker 2: on trivia with Caara high up forty feet She's about
Speaker 2: to drop and her anxiety is real. Right, I want
Speaker 2: to be there for her because she's on my team.
Speaker 2: She's freaking out, but it rubs off on you. You know,
Speaker 2: when you're around someone that is really freaking out and
Speaker 2: you're doing your best to be the calm, cool, collected one,
Speaker 2: but it ultimately it's them two playing out the rescuer
Speaker 2: victim complex. That's so annoying. It's just a constant battle
Speaker 2: of this archetype.
Speaker 1: Right. What was interesting to me is neither of them
Speaker 1: are really walking away. Although Laurel did walk away, it
Speaker 1: looks like to put together her sandwich at one point,
Speaker 1: but then Laura walked back towards Kara again and like engaged,
Speaker 1: and neither Like anyone listening, you always have the ability
Speaker 1: to walk away, or when you do have the ability
Speaker 1: to physically walk, just walk away.
Speaker 3: Agree with you. And to add on to that, because
Speaker 3: if you notice, Kara was very much so in it,
Speaker 3: in it and she started laughing the moment Laurel started cussing.
Speaker 3: Once she it was like, oh god.
Speaker 1: Once she got her to that play and once she
Speaker 1: knew she can.
Speaker 3: That's what they wait for. They wait for the moment
Speaker 3: when they when they got you. Once they have you,
Speaker 3: then it's like, okay, cool, we are here now. Now
Speaker 3: we are here exactly just like crying, don't and we
Speaker 3: go talk about that.
Speaker 2: This is the final thing I'll say about it, because
Speaker 2: to ultimately, these two have taken away too much real
Speaker 2: estate in all of these people's lives, like truthfully, and
Speaker 2: this is where I because so car is a cancer
Speaker 2: moon and I'm too a cancer moon. So I very
Speaker 2: much am empathetic to her nurturing and her needs. Laurel,
Speaker 2: I know her whole astrology, right, so I can't. I've
Speaker 2: gone deep into this rabbit hole.
Speaker 1: Where hilarious and I love you, Emily. I just have
Speaker 1: to say that I love that You're like, Okay, not
Speaker 1: only was I sizing them up, but I was sizing
Speaker 1: them up. I know their natal chart, I know where
Speaker 1: they were or what time da da da. I can't
Speaker 1: beat them all I.
Speaker 2: Could except the one person I know. This is why
Speaker 2: karma hit me in the ass is because they're this
Speaker 2: in human design. There is a thing called a manifestor,
Speaker 2: and they're very rare type. But if they know they're
Speaker 2: a manifestor, they can make shit happen. And I was like,
Speaker 2: I told Rachel, I go, there's one manifestor in the house,
Speaker 2: and I'm not going to tell that person she's a
Speaker 2: manifestor and guess who.
Speaker 1: Is way, but how did they know? Do they know? Okay,
Speaker 1: and know we're getting off track, But now my like,
Speaker 1: can you become a man? Are you like born a manifestor?
Speaker 1: How does?
Speaker 2: It's just like your natal chart? So it's human design
Speaker 2: is astrology plus the chakra system plus Myers Briggs plus
Speaker 2: like all of it in one. So I was getting
Speaker 2: every single person's human design that I knew I cared about.
Speaker 2: I was like, because I know mine and I will win.
Speaker 2: There's like my chart is like competitor warrior winner, Like yes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my god, we are getting on a call
Speaker 1: after this, Emily, because I have so many questions. I
Speaker 1: want to know all the things.
Speaker 2: E then this is what I do. I would love
Speaker 2: to do that. Because with Laurel, I saw her chart
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh, this is why she's threatened
Speaker 2: by I mean, because she she doesn't have what I
Speaker 2: have and she knows it. So there was this element
Speaker 2: that I was just like, oh, this is game on.
Speaker 2: So I know that that was what she felt. And
Speaker 2: then I watched it because I could see like, Okay,
Speaker 2: this is similar right to watch Cara and Laurel. It's
Speaker 2: the same way as watching Laurel and Michelle. But Laurel's
Speaker 2: smart with me too, right, So I'm just observing. And
Speaker 2: when this is where it gets hard is because Cara
Speaker 2: so desperately did want the friendship. You saw it in
Speaker 2: this episode there all of a sudden they're talking shit
Speaker 2: on each other, and then all of a sudden they're
Speaker 2: playing back and forth ping pong, and and this element
Speaker 2: of like this door is starting to open and then snaps,
Speaker 2: door starts over it. It's so toxic, it's so terrible,
Speaker 2: and it is just like a relationship right when you
Speaker 2: are like, oh, we just went through this horrible thing,
Speaker 2: but I'm gonna be able to get through it because look,
Speaker 2: they're so nice and so kind and then all and
Speaker 2: it just doesn't change because neither of them are looking
Speaker 2: at why it happened in the first place. So it
Speaker 2: was just awful to watch. And I really hope, you know, truthfully,
Speaker 2: like of Eve and I both didn't know how to
Speaker 2: navigate it as the other females on the team, and
Speaker 2: you know, challenge spit me out. So I don't have
Speaker 2: much else to say about it, you know, it's like
Speaker 2: I didn't have anything else to go with. But it
Speaker 2: was interesting.
Speaker 1: Were any of the boys manifestors or just Tina, Like
Speaker 1: was literally Twina the only one in Anna is the only.
Speaker 2: One in the house. And that's what I kept telling her.
Speaker 2: I was like, you have to know this about yourself
Speaker 2: because and she that's why she cried when she was like,
Speaker 2: I'm so sad Emily's leaving.
Speaker 1: Because yeah, that was sweet.
Speaker 2: That was so sweet because how many people, especially knowing
Speaker 2: my elimination, you know, I've never lost. I'm a tough competitor.
Speaker 2: So many people could have taken that and just like
Speaker 2: thrown it into my face, especially Tina, like.
Speaker 3: She doesn't care, like who are you, like, get out
Speaker 3: of here.
Speaker 2: And the fact that she said that was really sweet
Speaker 2: because I know that she means it, and I also
Speaker 2: want her to realize, you know, like hopefully from this
Speaker 2: point forward. And it's hard because when you get with
Speaker 2: other energies and fear comes in. This is the week
Speaker 2: where it really started. This is the week where people
Speaker 2: started to get paranoid shifts. We really saw it with
Speaker 2: John Nay and Johnny said to the team, Yeah, it
Speaker 2: was gonna volunteer, Yeah, everyone was like it's your turn,
Speaker 2: It's your turn, and she's like okay. They had this
Speaker 2: team huddle and then she freaked out. I mean she
Speaker 2: was running around like crazy and really paranoid and just
Speaker 2: to watch how fast this game can turn you on
Speaker 2: your head was like whoa, these this is nuts.
Speaker 1: So everyone in the in the house, it sounds like
Speaker 1: then was aware of the conversation between Johnny and her
Speaker 1: team around like oh I should nominate so then how
Speaker 1: And she seems so confident that Neamayah, Like it's interesting
Speaker 1: knowing that Paul House knew that because she seemed so
Speaker 1: confident that Neiaomiah wouldn't put her in, and Niamyah did
Speaker 1: what do you what's your interpretation? Do you think he
Speaker 1: did it? Ever she was supposed to like, yeah.
Speaker 2: Well it's interesting. I guess I will say it's about Nimiah,
Speaker 2: like I love him to death, like I really do.
Speaker 2: We have so much fun because he's the one putting
Speaker 2: rocks in my pocket and doing reyki on me, you know,
Speaker 2: like very we had such a good connection. I was
Speaker 2: so proud of him. The day of our elimination, we
Speaker 2: both had like you know, we know the right outcome
Speaker 2: is going to happen like whatever, but in that elimination room,
Speaker 2: and this is the example of what happened with him
Speaker 2: just getting frazzled and picking John a like I don't
Speaker 2: think he knew what to do, and I didn't know
Speaker 2: he would get like that until we were sitting in
Speaker 2: the deliberation room and then seeing the clip of him
Speaker 2: talking to Devin for me, I was like what and
Speaker 2: then having Devin called me out and I was like,
Speaker 2: the only thing I know how what to say to
Speaker 2: defend myself is was I there? Because I knew none
Speaker 2: of this was happening. I have never talked to Nehemiah
Speaker 2: in a way of like who's our alliances outside of me?
Speaker 2: And you you know, so I was pissed. I went
Speaker 2: up to him and I was like, I love you,
Speaker 2: but don't ever speak for me again. And he was like,
Speaker 2: I'm so sorry, and it won't It's fine, and we
Speaker 2: were good, but it was like, damn, I just think
Speaker 2: sometimes in that pressure and he just beat ct, you know,
Speaker 2: like he doesn't want to make anyone mad that he
Speaker 2: doesn't have to, which is why I was the one
Speaker 2: who whispered for him to vote in Jenny.
Speaker 1: You know, oh you told him.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know if he listened to me, but
Speaker 2: it was the only way to protect me Amaya from
Speaker 2: Era four because Jenny had already called him in. So
Speaker 2: it was like, oh, you called me, I'll call you.
Speaker 2: You call me, I'll call you. So he called somebody
Speaker 2: out on Era four that wasn't Jenny. It would have
Speaker 2: just caused another person to be mad at him. So
Speaker 2: I was like, you gotta do Jenny. So I could
Speaker 2: tell he hadn't thought about it. He hadn't thought if
Speaker 2: I win, if I come back, who am I going
Speaker 2: to call? So when Johnny was just already on the
Speaker 2: spot and doing that, you know, I think you see
Speaker 2: her face, She's like it was just like a target, target, target, Like,
Speaker 2: let's just make this easy. Boom, that's the name he's
Speaker 2: gonna call. But I really I am kind of surprised
Speaker 2: because they did have a relationship.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Wow, I know, right, literally the whole thing. Wow.
Speaker 2: I know, wow, I know.
Speaker 3: You want to get into these era superlatives.
Speaker 1: Yes day, let's get into these.
Speaker 3: So what we do on the podcast is we allow
Speaker 3: the guests to come on and give each era as
Speaker 3: a whole, each era their own superlatives, so most likely
Speaker 3: to do do dot. So let's start with Era one.
Speaker 2: Oh, we already know they're most likely to spend all
Speaker 2: their challenge money on pt O. They are so broken,
Speaker 2: every single one of them. And I'm such a healer,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm like this touched it, you know, but
Speaker 2: they all and I love it to you know, giving
Speaker 2: them supplements and herbs, but like, damn, they are old.
Speaker 1: You were hilarious.
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 2: Era two, Oh, I mean to me, Era two by
Speaker 2: far the most comprehensive team, you know, with Johnny and
Speaker 2: with these women, the most experience.
Speaker 1: That's not a most likely to be most likely to.
Speaker 2: I have so many My mind's going six places because
Speaker 2: my's I got betrayed by my team member, so I
Speaker 2: have nothing positive to say. Most likely to betray.
Speaker 3: Most likely to betray.
Speaker 2: Era three, Oh, man, I'm bummed this is not a
Speaker 2: most likely Most likely to kick out Corey Like Ory
Speaker 2: shot himself in the foot so soon with Tony leaving,
Speaker 2: you know, like I want Corey to have something to
Speaker 2: stand with against this alliance that's happening, but it's his fault,
Speaker 2: so it's like most likely to kick out Corey.
Speaker 3: M okay Era four.
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 2: Most likely there for screen time. Oh it's like, wow,
Speaker 2: it's really hard to trust anybody from Era four. You know,
Speaker 2: they got this big Brother vibe that's like a little
Speaker 2: different than real world original vibe, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: And there was just always people in my healing corner
Speaker 2: and be pulling cards. But you know who didn't get invited?
Speaker 2: Almost all of Ara four?
Speaker 1: Oh wow, wait, not you didn't invite them, Not you
Speaker 1: being a healer and you're selectively healing. Not even Kylin.
Speaker 2: Kylon was the snakiest of them all day.
Speaker 1: Oh wait what now, okay, spill wait because he has
Speaker 1: such mixed.
Speaker 3: Vibes big brother player, that's why?
Speaker 1: Wait? Wait, why how did he give you snaky vibes?
Speaker 1: Talk to us?
Speaker 2: And straight up I like, I'm gonna energy person, right So,
Speaker 2: and I knew, I do know that he's a cancer,
Speaker 2: so he's sensitive, he's kind. But when it comes to
Speaker 2: the game, he knew right away he was gonna throw
Speaker 2: me in the of my in and he wanted the
Speaker 2: screen time. He wanted the moment. He wanted to like
Speaker 2: extend all these conversations out so that he would get
Speaker 2: a little extra TV time. And it was so snaky.
Speaker 2: I was like, I will never ever side or trust
Speaker 2: this person ever.
Speaker 1: And what makes you think that he was doing it
Speaker 1: just for the TV? Like or that he knew?
Speaker 3: You know, I'm gonna say this on Kylin's Behalf, right, you.
Speaker 1: Know you're talking to a big Brother player and so
Speaker 1: you know she you know, it took us years to get.
Speaker 3: On Kylin's Behalf. I I don't view Kylin as a
Speaker 3: screen time type of person. What I think he was
Speaker 3: doing was collecting data.
Speaker 2: That's fair.
Speaker 3: I believe Kylon was collecting information. He's he's very very smart,
Speaker 3: very calculated. Single thing. If Kylan offers you breakfast, it's
Speaker 3: breakfast with a purpose, there's motive behind it. He's very calculated.
Speaker 3: So it definitely there was a reason behind it, for sure.
Speaker 2: For sure.
Speaker 3: Sure Now anybody else I can't, I can't say that.
Speaker 1: But for y'all Era four people do get called out
Speaker 1: a bit for scream time. That's what I said. I
Speaker 1: can only speak for Kyl coordinate.
Speaker 3: I can only speak for Kylan.
Speaker 2: It felt it felt so awful to like know that
Speaker 2: they knew, but they didn't confirm it, right, Like, I
Speaker 2: want to be prepared mentally and physically for an elimination,
Speaker 2: and that makes it really hard when you don't know
Speaker 2: if it's actually you going in.
Speaker 1: So did they not tell you before the actual before
Speaker 1: we saw it, you know, tj or So.
Speaker 2: We went through the deliberation, they pretended that they didn't know.
Speaker 2: I even said this to Olivia after. I was like,
Speaker 2: it's just fucked up, because I know you know, and
Speaker 2: she's like, no, I don't know. But Kylin wanted to
Speaker 2: extend it because they wanted their little moment at the
Speaker 2: bar that night. So Olivia gets more dressed up than
Speaker 2: I ever seen her. Kylon looks so good. They bring
Speaker 2: us over to a table. I was like, you're gonna
Speaker 2: try to put me in a studio shot to get
Speaker 2: a moment. Go fuck yourself. I know I'm going in.
Speaker 2: We don't need to have this moment about it. Just
Speaker 2: tell me the truth about it, you know. So they
Speaker 2: wanted it to be something. I was like, cool, bye,
Speaker 2: I gotta go get ready, jagged Emily, you are dropping
Speaker 2: the tea.
Speaker 1: The tee the tea. Yes, wait, okay, look, I know
Speaker 1: we already did the ending. I have so many questions now,
Speaker 1: this is okay, Okay, what are your thoughts? Then a
Speaker 1: Michelle and Devin.
Speaker 2: Right right right, well that I'll give you a little
Speaker 2: more tea about this. So I loved this because it
Speaker 2: was very similar to Brad and I, which was like
Speaker 2: who's gonna commit on camera first?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: Like are we actually gonna have a showmance? Are we
Speaker 2: really gonna be doing this? And I had this thing
Speaker 2: with Brad and like, I'm not here to have a showmans,
Speaker 2: I'm not here to like make people think we're about
Speaker 2: to have babies, Like this is just a moment, you know,
Speaker 2: like let's just have a moment. Be discreet. But then
Speaker 2: there was an element with Devin and Michelle where Devn's
Speaker 2: like I'm going in, I'm I'm gonna commit and Michelle
Speaker 2: was like what. So there was just watching them kind
Speaker 2: of match each other where Devon's like you're gonna join
Speaker 2: me or not? And that was super cute because it
Speaker 2: made us like really see their process of like the
Speaker 2: commitment issues of Michelle, the commitment of Devin, but also
Speaker 2: he's like, dude, if you betray me, like if I
Speaker 2: go all in on camera and then I get rejected
Speaker 2: by her like all of that. So I love them
Speaker 2: together because I think that they really do have this
Speaker 2: like on show romance, that this situation brought them together.
Speaker 2: They're funny, they're cute. Devin like, he's the only one
Speaker 2: that I really wanted to talk to besides Jordan about
Speaker 2: intellectual things, you know, so like helped me get through
Speaker 2: the days of the challenge. That's not Sue, There's a
Speaker 2: lot of really great people there, But as far as
Speaker 2: business goes, that was fun for me to like just
Speaker 2: shoot the shit with like creative projects with him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh that's so fascinating. There, I can that makes sense.
Speaker 1: It totally makes sense, all right, before we let you
Speaker 1: go because I know we can't have you all that.
Speaker 1: Is there any other tea? Because you dropped a lot
Speaker 1: with that whole Olivia Kylon getting dressed up for a
Speaker 1: moment that they ultimately didn't get tea? So is there
Speaker 1: any other tea? And that tea is a manifestor which
Speaker 1: one hundred percent we're gonna be talking after this, any
Speaker 1: other tea that we need to know that the fans
Speaker 1: will love you for it.
Speaker 2: God, they have so much tea, And I think part
Speaker 2: of it is like even some of the prep work
Speaker 2: of like Laurel trying to put a divide between me
Speaker 2: and Johnny and some of these behind the scenes that
Speaker 2: had happened that we're just testing and trying to like
Speaker 2: really spoil and rotten the batch. Like it was just
Speaker 2: so nice to like, if I would have stayed in
Speaker 2: the game, I was so good, you know, I really
Speaker 2: was gonna be good. I didn't have a lot of
Speaker 2: people that were gonna call my name, and if I
Speaker 2: did need to compete, that would have been okay. But
Speaker 2: I was in a good situation because of the other
Speaker 2: people on the team. So I think that's what was
Speaker 2: interesting is watching like the tea I have is that
Speaker 2: the people doing bad shit, trying to cause more drama
Speaker 2: than needed, you know, so gosh all of it to me,
Speaker 2: I think the overall is that the casting was dope.
Speaker 2: I had so much fun coming back. I was so
Speaker 2: upset to leave, you know, so soon, but I couldn't
Speaker 2: have been more grateful being in that group of people,
Speaker 2: with that environment. You know, it was really the right
Speaker 2: challenge for me to come back and do so that
Speaker 2: I'm just stoked that the fans asked me to come back,
Speaker 2: and that.
Speaker 1: Of course now that you come back.
Speaker 2: Right, maybe there's one in me maybe Challenge forty four
Speaker 2: because you and day.
Speaker 3: Yeah, come on now, come now, come on now.
Speaker 1: I thank you and day oh I think, but we
Speaker 1: have to find out of days a manifesto. We are
Speaker 1: still going to talk.
Speaker 3: Oh brother, let me know.
Speaker 2: I have lots of fun human design support for people.
Speaker 2: You just you just send me a text.
Speaker 1: I got you, okay before we go and before I
Speaker 1: text you and anybody else who wants to know more
Speaker 1: about human design or just what you're up to, or
Speaker 1: just follow Emily's interesting journeys. Where can they find you
Speaker 1: on social well.
Speaker 2: I also have a podcast called meat heead Hippie, So
Speaker 2: meathhead Hippie is kind of my fun place to if
Speaker 2: you are into podcasts, which obviously you're listening to this
Speaker 2: wonderful one. I do teach people how to meditate on
Speaker 2: a course called Soul Unbound, So if you are interested
Speaker 2: in learning how to kind of stay centered, that's a
Speaker 2: great place. But mostly if you want to get involved
Speaker 2: in changing the food supply chain, join peel dot com.
Speaker 2: Like an orange peel, not a banana peel, an orange
Speaker 2: po Join peel dot com, put your email in and
Speaker 2: there's just really beautiful things happening about how we can
Speaker 2: really change agric because we have to. We have to
Speaker 2: change it. So follow me, Emily Shrum, meet Hippie, all
Speaker 2: the things. I got lots of love to give. Love that.
Speaker 3: Thank you for coming to hang out with us.
Speaker 1: This was fun us and.
Speaker 3: Yes, I love you guys.
Speaker 2: Thank you for watching it. Man taking me through my loss,
Speaker 2: so that was nice to lose good support. I appreciate it.
Speaker 3: Such a great interview. I'm so glad Emily decided to
Speaker 3: come and hang out with us, girl and give us
Speaker 3: all the sea. Girl. People want to hang out with
Speaker 3: you and get all yet see where can they find
Speaker 3: you with Devin?
Speaker 1: Yes, girl, you can find me on my website that's
Speaker 1: devinsimone dot com, Devin with a Y Simon with an eye.
Speaker 1: If you're single, hit me up for a little bit
Speaker 1: of matchmaking, just click the matchmaking tab. You can check
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