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Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL Podcast needs more at temposel not really.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast.

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Speaker 1: My name is Dan Hansens and I am joined in

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Speaker 1: a room filled with heroes, Mark Sessler, Chris Wesley, and

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Speaker 1: Greg Rosenthal. What is up? Boys? Hey? Dan? Right away?

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Speaker 1: Another example of machiavellian lever polls by Cam who is

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Speaker 1: sitting in Ferica to proper up in a bit right there,

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Speaker 1: just because you knew we'd react negatively to that. He's brilliant,

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Speaker 1: You're very wise, and I'm scared of you. He's playing chess,

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Speaker 1: is what he's playing, you know, and we're all Rooks

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Speaker 1: or tam Posey was like, you have to put this

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Speaker 1: in now. I cannot let the listeners forget my name

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Speaker 1: for one show or else you're gone another distinction. Uh

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Speaker 1: this is our Wednesday show. We got a lot for

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Speaker 1: you this uh hump Day as they call it. Uh West,

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Speaker 1: You're All Pro Team? Oh yeah, West Diggs into the tape.

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Speaker 1: West gets out the old laptop, at least the one

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Speaker 1: he hasn't destroyed yet, and he types up a great

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Speaker 1: breakdown of his All Pro team, and you know it's

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Speaker 1: gonna be legit when the mailman is behind it. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna get into that. Um. Also, we're gonna spin around

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Speaker 1: the league a lot of coordinator UM news, a lot

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Speaker 1: of announcements, some other big news involving UM players as

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Speaker 1: well and quarterbacks. So we're gonna get to that. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And also in just a couple of minutes, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: have rap sheet joining us to talk um NFL landscape.

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Speaker 1: But before any of that, you've probably seen it UM

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Speaker 1: online at this point on Twitter if you're a fan

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Speaker 1: of the podcast. But we have a big, big live

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Speaker 1: show coming up, our second live show in the history

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Speaker 1: of the podcast. The first one was in London last September,

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Speaker 1: was a big hit, so we said we want to

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Speaker 1: do it state side. Why not do it super Bowl Week?

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Speaker 1: So Thursday, January thirty one, eight pm, doors open at

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Speaker 1: six at the City Winery in Atlanta. Be Around the

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Speaker 1: NFL podcast goes live and in person in front of

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Speaker 1: a studio audience, not quite a studio, but a big audience,

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Speaker 1: a big one. I mean they said it, they said

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Speaker 1: it couldn't be done. I think the NFL um you know,

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Speaker 1: higher ups, they say we suck or whatever. We we

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Speaker 1: gotta prove them wrong. We need the podcast listeners out

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Speaker 1: there to come out in full force. It's gonna be

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Speaker 1: an awesome show. It was a great experience. I mean selfishly,

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Speaker 1: it's a great experience for us, but I think the

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Speaker 1: listeners had a blast two in London. So we hope

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Speaker 1: as many of you that are anywhere in the area

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Speaker 1: can come out. The information is on our Twitter page.

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Speaker 1: Is uh the around the NFL Twitter page. It is

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Speaker 1: pinned to the top, but it's at City Winery, which

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Speaker 1: is gonna be the dream will be flowing. Starts at

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Speaker 1: eight pm. Should be a fun night. We need a

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Speaker 1: lathered up, raucous crowd because hey, I want to tell

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Speaker 1: you one thing. The last time we did a live show,

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Speaker 1: the man sitting in my right, Chris Wesley, brought not

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Speaker 1: only just an a game, but a mysterious a game

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Speaker 1: where I think he threw all of us for a

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Speaker 1: paint the picture dice Man two thousand four Dane Cook

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Speaker 1: that level or it's just like saying the crowd alright, yeah,

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Speaker 1: but the crowd is better than a Cook crowd. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm giving you even more credit than being Dane Cook,

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Speaker 1: thank you. I appreciate that. I'm more men and how

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Speaker 1: that it. Let's go, Chris, Chris Rock two thousand four.

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Speaker 1: You want to you want, I'm gonna I'm gonna talk

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Speaker 1: to the owner of Huka Poo's about getting a bus

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Speaker 1: with that in mind, knowing that half of Tybee Island

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Speaker 1: Greg said, pinned to top the around the NFL Twitter

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Speaker 1: page at around the NFL all the info you need.

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Speaker 1: So we're excited, hit me up on the d M

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Speaker 1: front on Instagram saying that they've already bought tickets. I mean,

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Speaker 1: people are actively picking this up. It's not just just

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Speaker 1: as promised. I mean, the guy, he's making waves in

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Speaker 1: the industry. What else can I say? It's Ian Rappaport

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Speaker 1: rap sheet on Twitter, the definitive information man for NFL media.

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Speaker 1: What's up. I'm surprised you guys are having me on

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Speaker 1: considering I have a competing podcast now. That is I

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Speaker 1: would say, threatening your fans, your fan base and your base.

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Speaker 1: Competing is a it's a cute word. That's that's what

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Speaker 1: all said. He definitely just broke the record for plugging

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Speaker 1: That's impressive. So I think you could have a future

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Speaker 1: in this business. And I reached out friends. It's available

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Speaker 1: I go way back, uh to the early auts, and

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Speaker 1: I said, hey, would you say that about you? You

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Speaker 1: got that podcast going the rap Sheet and Friends. How

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Speaker 1: I certain that Ian is gonna hold up his end

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Speaker 1: But ultimately I'm gonna see if rap Sheets a man

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Speaker 1: Sheet and Friends. But right now rap Sheet is on

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Speaker 1: the Around the NFL podcast. Yeah, I think you'll be

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Speaker 1: For a rap Sheet and Friends, it's fine. I've checked

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Speaker 1: out a couple episodes. Let's talk some NFL because you

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Speaker 1: are an information merchant a pirates, some people say, and

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Speaker 1: we want to talk to the man that knows things

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Speaker 1: about some topics in the NFL, And why don't we

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Speaker 1: start where we're at with the NFL coaching hires. Of course,

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Speaker 1: I just I'm just saying like that. It makes sense

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Speaker 1: will be rap Sheet and Best Friend starring Dan Hansis

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Speaker 1: with Ian Rappaport. That's going to be a great show.

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Speaker 1: We're all excited for that. See yeah, well we'll see. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I'll make sure to get you on the schedule of

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Speaker 1: that absolutely all right, check it out on Apple podcast

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Speaker 1: wherever you get uh your podcast. Ian, keep grinding, buddy,

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Speaker 1: Thanks for coming on bye guys. Not really. There you go,

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Speaker 1: Ian Rappaport joining us. That was nice. We got a

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Speaker 1: lot more to get to in the news, So why

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Speaker 1: don't we just spin through what's going on in the

435
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Speaker 1: legal start with the Eagles. So we just talked about

436
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,159
Speaker 1: Nick Foles obviously and what's going on with him. The

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Speaker 1: reason we didn't even bring up another option in terms of, oh,

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Speaker 1: with the Eagles keep him well, the Philly has already

439
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:28,200
Speaker 1: made it clear with their next step is behind center.

440
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:31,840
Speaker 1: Doug Peterson uh said it in a matter of fact

441
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Speaker 1: manner on Tuesday told the media Carson is the quarterback

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Speaker 1: going forward. Carson Wentz, who missed the final five games

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Speaker 1: of the Eagles season, including the playoffs, with a back injury.

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00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:45,119
Speaker 1: Of course, last season West two thousand seventeen, he had

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Speaker 1: the a c L tear which opened the door for

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Speaker 1: Nick Foles becoming a legend. But the team is devsitively

447
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:56,000
Speaker 1: stating right off the bat, Carson Wentz is still the man. Yeah,

448
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:57,720
Speaker 1: I think a few weeks ago I would have said

449
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Speaker 1: to anyone this season, even in discussion, stopped blowing it

450
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Speaker 1: out of proportion. Of course, they're going with Carson Wentz.

451
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Speaker 1: Um By December of two thousand seventeen, he was the

452
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Speaker 1: single most valuable entity in the NFL from a player's perspective,

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Speaker 1: and he was the lead m VP candidate at the time.

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Speaker 1: He's got all of that potential, He's got all the

455
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Speaker 1: physical tools, he has all the mental tools. This is

456
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Speaker 1: your rock, this is who you build around. And then

457
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Speaker 1: Nick Foles goes out and you know, basically approximates what

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Speaker 1: he did last year, except for the super actually hoisting

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Speaker 1: the Lombardi Trophy. So I think it is a discussion,

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Speaker 1: But to me, you have to go with the younger

461
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:37,399
Speaker 1: guy who's super talented. I think the details of folds.

462
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Speaker 1: His contract situation has gotten a little lost in the shuffle,

463
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Speaker 1: which is that the option in his contract which they

464
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Speaker 1: would have to pick up, is due three days after

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Speaker 1: the season, so they would have to guarantee they would

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Speaker 1: have to be willing to pay him twenty million dollars.

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Speaker 1: And then even if they were willing to pay him that,

468
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Speaker 1: and this is a team that's gonna already be over

469
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Speaker 1: the salary cap, and there's just tons of veterans, uh,

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Speaker 1: they're gonna have to think about and doing new contracts.

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Speaker 1: And there's other ones that they would love to resign.

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Speaker 1: They have as many free agents, I think as any

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Speaker 1: team in the league. Fools could have brought back his

474
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Speaker 1: free agency. Anyways, what this move, the way that they

475
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Speaker 1: said it so publicly, I think they're just gonna do

476
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Speaker 1: him the solid of just letting him go free, not

477
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Speaker 1: make him pay two million dollars back. And the reason

478
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Speaker 1: he got that contract in the first place was because

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00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 1: he had so much leverage after the Super Bowl MVP

480
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Speaker 1: season that hey, let's do it for one year and

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Speaker 1: we'll revisit it. And Foals made it clear in his

482
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Speaker 1: comments that he wants to go lead a team. I

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Speaker 1: love the way he when you listen to Nick Foles

484
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Speaker 1: speak and you see how his teammates speak about him,

485
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Speaker 1: you really do think he's learned a lot over the years.

486
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Speaker 1: And he's said as much that he thinks he's learned

487
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Speaker 1: on how to lead a team and how what's important

488
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Speaker 1: to him about being a quarterback. And he's ready to

489
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Speaker 1: go be someone's starting quarterback. And I think the Eagles

490
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Speaker 1: will say thanks you, You've got the statue, and we'll

491
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Speaker 1: see you later. And who knows, maybe he'll end up

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Speaker 1: with the Jaguars. As Asian mentioned, makes sense special statue.

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Speaker 1: It is, Well, that's technically not the play. It's just

494
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Speaker 1: kind of them talking on the sideline, just chopping it

495
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,639
Speaker 1: up on the sideline. We don't even have confirmation that

496
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:10,479
Speaker 1: that's what they were talking. Well, you're gonna find out

497
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:12,879
Speaker 1: that you will have confirmation because everyone listening to this

498
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:16,119
Speaker 1: knows how absurd the situation is. I invite them to

499
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Speaker 1: tweet what situation. I mean, I know what you're talking about.

500
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 1: Because you're the only one who really cares. You're you're

501
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:25,960
Speaker 1: still holding on to some I invite all these fifteen

502
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Speaker 1: year olds who have never seen the helmet catch to

503
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Speaker 1: tweet at me me as well. Moving on the Panthers,

504
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,639
Speaker 1: they have a big issue at quarterback. My goodness, um

505
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,879
Speaker 1: cam Newton dealing once again, as we know, with a

506
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Speaker 1: what could be a serious shoulder injury that would require surgery.

507
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Speaker 1: And the team's new owner, David Tepper addressed local media

508
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Speaker 1: and he could not um say with any um certainty

509
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Speaker 1: that Cam Newton would be ready for en And it

510
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Speaker 1: leaves the door open mark that Cam Newton could miss

511
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Speaker 1: twenty nineteen if he as another shoulder surgery. The door

512
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,879
Speaker 1: is open for that as a scenario and um, that

513
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 1: would be an incredibly big setback for this franchise. I

514
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Speaker 1: mean it's important to note that he wasn't offering facts.

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00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,879
Speaker 1: He was speculating because there is a wide degree of

516
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:18,680
Speaker 1: possibilities of what could happen if as we approach February

517
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 1: and then beyond, your quarterback is pulled into a shoulder

518
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 1: surgery of some sort and it does you know, there

519
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,360
Speaker 1: are like remnants of what happened with Andrew Luck there

520
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 1: and other stuff. Um, but if that were to happen beyond,

521
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 1: the biggest loser being Cam Newton, Uh, I think it

522
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 1: would be a very tough situation for Ron Rivera to

523
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Speaker 1: have to go into next year with something other than

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Speaker 1: Cam Newton under center. You know, more to be seen,

525
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 1: hey might be you know, they would suddenly be in

526
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Speaker 1: the quarterback market for I think guys like Bridgewater that

527
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 1: could be a one year solution or something, because because

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Speaker 1: you would have to you would have to not want

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Speaker 1: to throw away the season. This is a team that's

530
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,640
Speaker 1: been a little under the radar, is in dramatic overhaul.

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Speaker 1: Thomas Davis. Uh, they announced that he's not going to

532
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 1: be resigned. I mean, this is one of the franchise Pillars.

533
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:07,440
Speaker 1: Ryan Khalil is expected to retire one of the franchise pillars.

534
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,879
Speaker 1: It sounds like Julius Peppers might not be back. And

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00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 1: then you have this Cam Newton news. It's just a

536
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,479
Speaker 1: team with a lot of change going on right now. UH.

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Speaker 1: The let's head over to UH coordinator corner. Starting with

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00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browns, who UM have their head coach and

539
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 1: Freddie Kitchens, but they also have a new O C.

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Speaker 1: Todd Modkin, who was in the running for UM several

541
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Speaker 1: head coaching jobs UH did not land a job, but

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Speaker 1: he lands UH in Cleveland as the O C with

543
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 1: the Browns, and he this guy has a lot of

544
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 1: respect in the league. Mark Freddie Kitchens obviously an offensive

545
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 1: minded guy. I believe he's calling the plays, but Mankin

546
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 1: is a good guy to have in the room. I

547
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Speaker 1: think if there's one encouraging overall result from the Kitchens

548
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,719
Speaker 1: hires that he's hired so far, a very strong staff.

549
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 1: And I think the Todd Monkin, if you look at

550
00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 1: his roots, he's got air raid roots, he's got m

551
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 1: he's dipped in college concepts as his Kitchens, and it's

552
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 1: another added mind to go with Baker Mayfield. It's not

553
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 1: someone that's going to press to take them in a

554
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 1: different direction. He's going to add elements and add to

555
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 1: Mayfield's game in that entire attacks game. This was a

556
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 1: guy I really thought was gonna get a coaching head

557
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 1: coaching jobs, So you maybe don't have them forever if

558
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 1: they continue to impress as an offense. But it's nice

559
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 1: for this season. When's the last time an offensive guru

560
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 1: at head coach handed over play calling duties to his

561
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 1: subordinate and then the subordinate actually improved on what the

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Speaker 1: offensive minded head coach was doing as a play caller.

563
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 1: That's what happened in Tampa Bay this year. I was

564
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 1: really impressed with how open they're tight ends and wide

565
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 1: receivers were throughout the season because Todd Monkins offense ran

566
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 1: so smoothly outside of the quarterbacks turning the ball over.

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00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 1: It's a good sign that Kitchens too, as kind of

568
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 1: the confidence to hire a guy that you know you

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00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 1: would thinking theory could be a potential replacement was a

570
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 1: hot coordinator. That was the hang up in the Jets

571
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 1: hiring Matt Rule reportedly that the Baylor head coaches that

572
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 1: he didn't want to hire a monkey I like a

573
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Speaker 1: guy like Freddie Kitchens who's confident in himself, comfortable in

574
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Speaker 1: his own skin. He should do like jeans ads or something.

575
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 1: I mean, he fills them out like wranglers. Yeah, interesting

576
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 1: comments for sure. The Jets we're talking about with Ian

577
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 1: as well, they have Uh it looks like they're hiring

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Speaker 1: Greg Williams. I don't know if it's official. Official is

579
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 1: official now? Greg Williams who last year, of course was

580
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 1: with the Browns in the year before that, he takes

581
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 1: over his defensive coordinator. Um, and it's a interesting set

582
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 1: up for the Jets. You got Adam Gaze, who is,

583
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 1: as we know, an intense individual and has the ability

584
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 1: to say what's on his mind and be blunt as

585
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 1: we understand it, and that behind the scenes can rub

586
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Speaker 1: people the wrong way. And Greg Williams, who you know

587
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 1: might be a crazy person. So how did what is

588
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 1: the dynamic between Gaze and Greg Williams. As far as

589
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 1: the higher goes itself, UM, I'm okay with it. He's

590
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 1: an aggressive four three time guy. The Jets need to

591
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 1: mix things up, I think on defense after very down year.

592
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 1: But I do have legit concerns about what happens behind

593
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 1: the scenes with us. I like the set on the

594
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 1: Twitter show you you were kind of tired of the

595
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 1: balls Arrow was a little boring, and then that this

596
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 1: is gonna add some spice, Give a little spice, Gregg

597
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 1: Williams saying weird things. The last thing we need is

598
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 1: the New York media covering Greg Williams. Why not? Why

599
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 1: because it's all gonna be nonsense. It's gonna be a

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00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 1: twenty four hours soap proper. It's gonna be a bunch

601
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 1: of stuff that doesn't involve football, and that's gonna be

602
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 1: headlines for years. It puts a lot just because if

603
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 1: the way that it is there, if they're losing quickly,

604
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 1: you can just they're just gonna pick Williams apart. You know,

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Speaker 1: you can't just see him taking one little thing that

606
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 1: he says in a Friday prescott like they used to.

607
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 1: I remember going down to New Orleans after they won

608
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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. They would have Greg Williams speak on

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Speaker 1: Friday afternoon at about three pm, and it was to

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Speaker 1: effectively bury him from the news cycle. This is after

611
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 1: they won the Super Bowl. Sean Payton and it was

612
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 1: very transparent. Didn't want Greg Williams making news that would

613
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 1: kind of be in the be in the air all week,

614
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Speaker 1: so they would put him as late as possible on

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Speaker 1: Friday afternoon just to kind of screw over. You know,

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Speaker 1: the newspapers have Greg Williams make news. I wonder if

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00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 1: when you're a coordinator and Greg Williams and you only

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00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 1: have that one little window to speak a week, that

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Speaker 1: maybe more is coming out, because when he was like

620
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 1: doing a lot of head coaching stuff with Cleveland over

621
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 1: the last half of the season, there was really nothing. Yeah.

622
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe it's like he gets if you bottle them

623
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 1: up too much, then he's gonna explode with all these

624
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 1: you know, hot quotes. Who knows West. You're a coastal

625
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 1: guy now you live in l a uh coastal cities.

626
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 1: I know you're a Midwestern or at heart, but time

627
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 1: to let go some of this anger you have toward

628
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Speaker 1: New York. I just feel let it go. Bro. I

629
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 1: feel like the media could do their jobs better. Well

630
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Speaker 1: that's all there is doing. Do your jobs better, they would.

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Speaker 1: They are a very passionate group, the New York media.

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Speaker 1: It's one of the only places that newspapers are still

633
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 1: thriving a little or at least surviving because they so

634
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 1: much crap. I mean, what do you mean make up?

635
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 1: I didn't want to name names, but they're that just

636
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 1: makes stuff up. But I'm not gonna name names. But

637
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:14,719
Speaker 1: of course there are guys that just make I mean,

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Speaker 1: you don't see that in Kansas City, you don't see

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Speaker 1: that in Atlanta. And maybe you know, maybe they are

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Speaker 1: more entertaining at pervading News, but they just make crap

641
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Speaker 1: up New York. You are picking a couple or perhaps

642
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 1: even one bad apple and painting a big broad brush

643
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Speaker 1: of an entire industry in New York. Perhaps I'm not

644
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 1: I would argue that the idea that that's exclusive to

645
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 1: New York is that's right. It's not exclusive. It's definitely more. Um,

646
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 1: it's more. It's something you see way more often in

647
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 1: New York, and it really controls the entire industry what's

648
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 1: going on in New York. And I mean, look, this

649
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 1: is gonna be a situation. This is an especially combustible

650
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: combination in in a year and a half, we're gonna

651
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Speaker 1: be like, why did anybody think Adam Gaze and Greg

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Speaker 1: Williams we're gonna work? Well, there you go, I got

653
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 1: I got some input out of you there, So you

654
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Speaker 1: don't think this is gonna work out. I don't think

655
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 1: anyone thinks it's gonna work out. I do. I think

656
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 1: it's gonna be leading to many Super Bowls. That's where

657
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 1: I come down, and I'm sure it will be covered

658
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 1: in depth by the you know, outstanding New York media.

659
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Speaker 1: Moving on the Jaguars, higher X vikings O c John D.

660
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Speaker 1: Filippo as offensive coordinator. Wes, you love the Jacksonville media,

661
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Speaker 1: Why don't you break down that market for us? The

662
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:32,839
Speaker 1: Jacksonville media, I'm not sure they exist. That's so, that's

663
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Speaker 1: so unfair. I would go as far to say Florida

664
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Speaker 1: Times Union has one of the best track records and

665
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Speaker 1: legacies of great football writers who have come out of there,

666
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Speaker 1: and they have great coverage on at that paper. It's underrated,

667
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 1: top top pre underrated football newspapers in the league. You've

668
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Speaker 1: got a rating of underrated news going to Journal Sentinels

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Speaker 1: number one, but they're rated highly. I don't even know

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Speaker 1: how that would work. The Filippo, of course, was with

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00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 1: the Eagles and he flamed out with Minnesota. This, like

672
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,320
Speaker 1: Adam Gaze in New York, seems like kind of a

673
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 1: buying low stock moved by the Jaguars and hoping they

674
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Speaker 1: could restore a guy's lost luster after a bad year.

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00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 1: We'll see if it works out. It seems like they

676
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: didn't get some of the first people that they wanted,

677
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:18,959
Speaker 1: and I think this will ended up being a good

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Speaker 1: a good fallback plan because d Filippo seems like he

679
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,839
Speaker 1: deserves another chance, and it really does connect them two

680
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Speaker 1: falls immediately. You just think like that, it just makes

681
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Speaker 1: sense because I was I really believe if it wasn't

682
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Speaker 1: for Blake Bortles his injury last year which kind of

683
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 1: locked them into that fifth year option and then they

684
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Speaker 1: gave a terrible kind I believe they would have gone

685
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Speaker 1: after kirk Cousins. Everyone believed that they would have gone

686
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 1: after kirk Cousins, but they were kind of stuck with

687
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 1: stuck with Bortles, and now it just thinks like they're

688
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Speaker 1: going to go after the top the top guy available,

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Speaker 1: which is for I mean, there's a little bit of

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Speaker 1: a scapegoating situation with Don John d Filippo, but the

691
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 1: Jaguars know that well because they did the same exact

692
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Speaker 1: thing to Nathaniel Hawthorne. Finally, in the new Hawthorne. A

693
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Speaker 1: lot of people Nathaniel Hawthorn operating in different circles, writing circles.

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Speaker 1: Maybe you read he's been scapegoat to a little bit.

695
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 1: I mean I was coming with for a message there

696
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,359
Speaker 1: about you know his books have been treated a certain way.

697
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 1: Let's be honest. You don't hear enough about the old

698
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 1: scarlet letter these days. Finally, news, you don't see this

699
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 1: off in a professional NFL player going on a morning Um,

700
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Speaker 1: the Morning Show on national television in New York West,

701
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:30,320
Speaker 1: What a horrible place that must be, uh, and detonating

702
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 1: his own career. Cody Parkey somehow ends up on the

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Speaker 1: Today's Show with his wife also miked up to talk

704
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:42,919
Speaker 1: about the setback um that he suffered on Sunday, missing

705
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 1: the short field goal leading to the Eagles win. Uh.

706
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 1: And it led to a conversation between Matt n Aggie

707
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 1: and Ryan Pace. They speak in a press conference and uh,

708
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: they say this, we always talk about a wee and

709
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 1: not a me thing. We win as a team and

710
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 1: we lose as a team. I don't ness seraily think

711
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: it was a wee thing. So Park, he was already

712
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: on the ropes, did himself in and I just want

713
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 1: to play one clip from the Today Show Savannah Guthrie,

714
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:11,919
Speaker 1: because this is playing in my house in the morning.

715
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 1: My wife watches the Tips. She does a nice job,

716
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 1: but also it's it's coming from a different angle, a

717
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,359
Speaker 1: different spin when it's on the Today Show, when it's

718
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 1: Savannah and Hodah interviewing a place kicker. Here's what she

719
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Speaker 1: had to say. They have m v P s. I

720
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Speaker 1: think they should have NHP most really, so that was

721
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:37,320
Speaker 1: the whole interview basically propping up Cody Parkey as a

722
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,800
Speaker 1: class act. It wasn't his fault, Oh oh yes, it

723
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 1: was because you have to understand what the interview is

724
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 1: going to be, and what it was was a man

725
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 1: standing up in the face of adversity. His wife was

726
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 1: there to talk about how Cody does his best and

727
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 1: tries hardest, and this is not going to go over

728
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 1: well with the Chicago media, with the fans and management.

729
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,040
Speaker 1: Very clearly. We have proof of that. This is this

730
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 1: is the first time I've ever I've only thought positive

731
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 1: things about Matt Maggie. I was I thought that I

732
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 1: was disappointed by the way that they talked about party.

733
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Speaker 1: I understand that I can understand why football guys wouldn't

734
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 1: like how it went down, but the fact that the

735
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:16,800
Speaker 1: party has decided to say yes to an interview, and

736
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 1: I watched it and it was, you know, it's the

737
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 1: Today Show doing their thing, and in part in Parky

738
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:24,959
Speaker 1: was there. I thought they're being incredibly unfair and scapegoating

739
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 1: because if it was basically any other position on the

740
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 1: field that did a similar thing, they wouldn't cut him.

741
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 1: They're cutting him because he had a bad year and

742
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 1: because he missed a big kick and the fact that

743
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 1: he went on the Today Show to me seems very

744
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 1: small of them, and they're almost like kind of punishing

745
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 1: him and not like I. I just didn't get its

746
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 1: decision to go on to Today Show. But you don't

747
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 1: need but you don't either cut or had to be

748
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 1: way more aware there was. It was kind of spinning

749
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 1: his situation. I see what you say, only in that

750
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 1: game because of Cody park because he had a great

751
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 1: game before that. Matt, he wasn't cut before, absolutely, but

752
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 1: I think absolutely. But I think in that game he

753
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 1: played well like he had a good game if that

754
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 1: was your average. He missed the game winning kick, but

755
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,319
Speaker 1: he also had a number of kicks. It doesn't matter

756
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 1: the games on the line. His job is to make it.

757
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 1: You're an NFL kicker made, we should be yet three

758
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 1: or four including what a fifty yard that's not good

759
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 1: enough in the NFL. You have to make your kicks.

760
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 1: My point is their defense gave up a huge drive.

761
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:37,800
Speaker 1: If you want to talk about we not he defense

762
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 1: on us and you're kind of pointing him out here

763
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 1: in this is this the only athlete that goes has

764
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 1: an individual interview, it's somewhere else. And Ramsey, like forty

765
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:51,800
Speaker 1: five days in a row after he blew the biggest

766
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 1: game of the year, does he go on, I don't know,

767
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 1: here's my one thing, and I get, I get, I

768
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 1: get both sides. But it's like part of part of

769
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 1: the Cody Parking message coming out of it was the

770
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:04,439
Speaker 1: fact that he went openly and spoke and answered every

771
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 1: question like by media, by the by the tough, hard

772
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 1: hitting Chicago media who are all flamed up in flames

773
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:13,760
Speaker 1: about what happened with that game. And he's basically telling

774
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 1: I think people to watch the Today Show or children anywhere.

775
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 1: When you fail, you can either run into a foxhole

776
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,439
Speaker 1: and disappear, or you can answer to it. Did you say,

777
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 1: did you watch it? I watched. I watched like eclipse

778
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:26,919
Speaker 1: of it. You watch the whole thing. Will I don't

779
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,800
Speaker 1: have a problem without his fault necessarily, but what happened

780
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 1: the way I think he might have even realized that

781
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 1: halfway through they were kind of raising him up repeatedly

782
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 1: and saying what a great guy in class act he was,

783
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 1: and it just was bad optics at a certain point.

784
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 1: But you have been know enough to West's point, maybe

785
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 1: just stay we I did my media duty on Sunday.

786
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna lay low for a little while because that

787
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 1: that's the way. I just don't pay him as some

788
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 1: sort of villain. That's all I show. And that could

789
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 1: have been the taste he left in everyone's mouth. Hey,

790
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 1: you handled this really well as a stand up guy.

791
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 1: It's like you would never think about the firing just

792
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 1: about a coach or anyway for emotionally like the way

793
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 1: they emotionally handle press and so that to me does

794
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 1: not really make sense that you're gonna fire a guy

795
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 1: based on it. It shows how emotional, and understandably so

796
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 1: Naggy and and Pace still were that that pissed them

797
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 1: off enough that they're well and they want to move

798
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 1: on at that position very clearly. Can I say something

799
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:24,240
Speaker 1: about New York. It's the city in America, the Big Apple.

800
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:27,720
Speaker 1: It is the most impressive city I've been in this country.

801
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: It is the number one city, It's the Big Apple.

802
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 1: I just think they cover football poorly, that's all. No,

803
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,360
Speaker 1: I mean, that's fun. I am going to, you know,

804
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 1: defend my city and where I'm from. It's a great,

805
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 1: wonderful city and I had the time of my life

806
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:43,359
Speaker 1: when I was there, and I'm dying to go back

807
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 1: to some of my favorite like sportswriters and reporters and

808
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 1: people on air or from New York to Like, I

809
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 1: get what you're saying that things get blown up into

810
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 1: a soapbarb, But if you I like that personally, maybe

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00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 1: it's because that's where I'm from. That makes sports more

812
00:41:57,880 --> 00:41:59,399
Speaker 1: fun to me, Like what's going to be the back

813
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 1: page of the Post and the daily news and then

814
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 1: being really plugged in on the Greg Williams Adam Gays

815
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 1: dynamic Like for me as a sports fan, I'm into it.

816
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean that's how everybody likes sports. Fair Enough,

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00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 1: I think we're in a good place now. Fair Enough,

818
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 1: that's what's happening in the news. I want to go

819
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:18,839
Speaker 1: for a walk together. Sure, we can maybe run into

820
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:22,839
Speaker 1: Anderson Cooper. Well that was a cheap shot the deep cut.

821
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 1: But I'm just sitting here over here, just quietly sitting

822
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:29,800
Speaker 1: over here, waiting for the next, you know, portion of

823
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,760
Speaker 1: this show, and just outcomes Scott missile right in between

824
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 1: the eyes by Mark and Greg went for a jog

825
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 1: at the owners meetings like five years ago, and then

826
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:41,319
Speaker 1: Anderson Cooper I think that was when I was still

827
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 1: living in New York came up. It was definitely not

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Speaker 1: you have your your your memory on your lifetimeline is

829
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Speaker 1: one of the most mystifying things in my life. But no,

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00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 1: we we ran into Anderson could not have been nicer

831
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 1: to us. And then we saw him later on that

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Speaker 1: All Right, Chris Westling an interesting thought exercise occurring over

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Speaker 1: at NFL dot com. It doesn't happen a lot, and

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Speaker 1: it happened here and I enjoyed it. It was the

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Speaker 1: two thousand eighteen NFL All Proteins I test, which is

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Speaker 1: what west Vous supports. That's what he stands by versus

856
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 1: next gen stats, which mark real quickly ten seconds or less.

857
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 1: What is next gen stats? Next generational statistics? Apparently? I

858
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,760
Speaker 1: mean no, it's it's it's you're down to four seconds.

859
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 1: It's the new wave of football analysis that we never

860
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 1: could see before. Some wide receiver ran a hundred and

861
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 1: eighty yards on this route and then dropped the ball.

862
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 1: Advanced analytics. Yes, that's that's just about right. They put

863
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 1: a chip in each player's shoulder pads that tracks all

864
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 1: these different things, and that's where we get a lot

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Speaker 1: of the next gen feel satanic UH speed, quickness, how

866
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 1: hard they're working, separation, separation, ability to close on a

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Speaker 1: ball amazing, Mark, Greg, you love it. You're a guy,

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00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 1: you know. Get me to that Sloan conference. Let me

869
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 1: dig into the data. So you love next JET. I

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Speaker 1: I like some more than others, some stats more than others.

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00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 1: Certainly I think they would admit, especially the next gen portion,

872
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Speaker 1: there's a lot of different antalectics. Football Outsider has been

873
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 1: doing it for a long time and I think has

874
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 1: a lot of great UH insights. Next Gen has so

875
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 1: much info. It's like any scientific endeavor has so much info,

876
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 1: and it's so early in its infancy. They're figuring. They're

877
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 1: very early in the process of figuring out the best

878
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 1: way to use it, but teams do it. Teams use it.

879
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 1: I think it's great. Some of the cornerback stuff is

880
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 1: pretty great, especially in man coverage, like how close they are,

881
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:41,320
Speaker 1: who's throwing into tight windows, who's completing tough passes versus

882
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 1: like easy passes. Almost like think I'd love to work

883
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 1: there and be kind of a mole where like I

884
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:49,439
Speaker 1: could put out some crazy stat that is totally not true,

885
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 1: but like, who's going to disprove it? Who's going to

886
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 1: disprove Oh? Next Gen Stats says that Ezekiel Elliott actually

887
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 1: ran for eight hundred forty two yards in this game,

888
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:00,040
Speaker 1: and here's the field with long red line show and

889
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:02,799
Speaker 1: what's like, who's gonna sit down and just put your

890
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 1: nailed it? Your colleague exact next Gen Stats are gonna

891
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 1: be like Mark, you can't just make things up. No,

892
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 1: But I would be like, this guy is grinding, he's

893
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:14,839
Speaker 1: often that you're wildly you're giving us a that name.

894
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 1: You're so fired you don't even understand. It doesn't even

895
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 1: sound like that fun of a project. So I'm not

896
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 1: gonna do it. Yeah, it doesn't all right West, So

897
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Speaker 1: breakdown you and Shook, our buddy Nick Shook uh when

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Speaker 1: I test versus next gens stats and what was your

899
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:32,360
Speaker 1: big takeaways? What were your big takeaways from this exercise?

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00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 1: I think the positions that were really hard to pick

901
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 1: um that was my biggest takeaway. The tight end was

902
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 1: almost impossible to pick. I went back and forth between

903
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 1: Kelsey and George Kittle. And you can even throw Zach

904
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 1: Ertz in there. Who is you know, the most surehanded

905
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 1: possibly guy in the league? Record breaking? Yeah? And and

906
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 1: that was one running back. I went back and forth

907
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:56,839
Speaker 1: on Ezekielt and Todd Gurley. I went back and looked

908
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 1: at my notes, and halfway through the season, I've got

909
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 1: girly as the ends down all pro, and then Zeke

910
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:04,399
Speaker 1: played better in the second half of the season. Even

911
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 1: punter was hard this year. We can't just give it

912
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 1: to Johnny Hecker. Every year. You and Shook both came

913
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:13,879
Speaker 1: down on the same side with tight end. Ultimately, um

914
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:18,359
Speaker 1: uh going with Kelsey and you also both came down

915
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,400
Speaker 1: at Zeke. Where's the where's this position where you and

916
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 1: Uh Shook We're not on the same page. I'm looking

917
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 1: at quarterback right off the top. I would say that's

918
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 1: the most obvious one that I if you asked me

919
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 1: at Thanksgiving, I would have had Drew Brees in this spot.

920
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:35,840
Speaker 1: But then the rest of the year, like Drew, Breeze

921
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:38,879
Speaker 1: did not play that well. And I think you saw

922
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 1: in the game against the Eagles why Mahomes would be

923
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 1: the pick of a Breeze Because Breeze his arms, arm

924
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:49,720
Speaker 1: limitation is real. He doesn't throw balls more than thirty yards,

925
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 1: whereas Mahomes allows his play caller to do so much more.

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Speaker 1: I think one of the things I was lost in

927
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:58,879
Speaker 1: breezes first twelve weeks is he made almost as many

928
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:02,919
Speaker 1: or maybe more, low percentage plays his Homes. He wasn't

929
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 1: getting credit for that, like really tough throws, beating the

930
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:09,720
Speaker 1: perfect blitz, all of that. But Mahomes didn't have anywhere

931
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Speaker 1: close to the sluggish final month that Breeze had. In

932
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 1: a month is a huge time, so I don't think

933
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 1: that was that close. What other positions was I was

934
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 1: surprised Wes you didn't have to Marcus Lawrence Um at

935
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:25,880
Speaker 1: defensive end that which is just a loaded position. And

936
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Speaker 1: so you had what and who did you have um

937
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 1: in Khalil mac that's they give you two edge spots.

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00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 1: And I did want to put the Marcus Lawrence on

939
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:39,800
Speaker 1: on he. I had he and um Jalen Smith and

940
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 1: Layton vander Esh on my second team All Pro, all

941
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 1: three of those guys. I just thought that Khalil Mack

942
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 1: was a legitimate, you know, number two behind Aaron Donald.

943
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 1: That's the guy you want. And J J. Watt, I

944
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 1: mean was J J. Watts. I would have given Lawrence

945
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 1: a slight edge, and I thought it was interesting Um

946
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 1: Shook went with Von Miller, who under the radar had

947
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 1: another great, like just Hall of Fame caliber type of year.

948
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 1: I also asked that we not invite Shook into this

949
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:09,840
Speaker 1: segment to freeze him out and to magnify West's Is

950
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 1: there something weird and in uh like football right now

951
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:17,319
Speaker 1: that cornerback? Cornerbacks seemed very difficult to even figure out

952
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 1: who is a standout because Gilmore is getting a lot

953
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 1: of love, and I think he's had a great season,

954
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 1: but it just doesn't feel like there's cornerbacks right now

955
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 1: that are dominating because they make the almost like the

956
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 1: position so hard and so few play man coverage. You

957
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 1: went with Kareem Jackson, who had a great year. I mean,

958
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:38,839
Speaker 1: Chook went with Brandon Carr and Kyle Fuller, So it's

959
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 1: it's it's not guys that you're thinking or having these

960
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:44,360
Speaker 1: drell revus or you know, even Patrick Peterson type of

961
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 1: like dominant years. Yeah, my thought process was, there's no

962
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 1: real shut down guy right now. It's too hard, So

963
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 1: there's no drell revas. So do you go with coverage, tackling, um,

964
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 1: big playability. Kyle Fuller's your guy if you like interceptions

965
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:05,280
Speaker 1: and past deflections. UM. I like the way Karen Jackson

966
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:07,840
Speaker 1: hit people this year. I thought he played exactly like

967
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 1: Antoine Winfield used to play with the Vikings. He leveled

968
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 1: so many wide receivers and tight ends and really set

969
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 1: a physical tone for that secondary. There were games, the

970
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 1: game against the Broncos that I saw him play was

971
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:21,359
Speaker 1: one of the most impressive defensive back games of the year,

972
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 1: and I was just like, Okay, this guy is just

973
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:26,360
Speaker 1: hitting people. I think with your looking at you know,

974
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 1: going through both sides the ball, what you and Shook did.

975
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:32,320
Speaker 1: And I love this article because it's packed with information

976
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 1: and not just information pulled from you know, uh statistics,

977
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 1: but a year's worth for both of you guys are watching.

978
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 1: I know Shook watches a ton of film too, But

979
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 1: if the article and it is I test first next

980
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 1: Gen Stats, I would say that you guys had similar

981
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 1: results on maybe more than eight percent of the players.

982
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 1: What is your takeaway When the eye test and the

983
00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 1: next Gen stats are so similar, doesn't that mean that

984
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:02,319
Speaker 1: next gen stats is legit? I think it's I think

985
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:04,399
Speaker 1: it's a positive for next Gen Stats. I mean also,

986
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 1: I think Shook is part of Shook's eye test too.

987
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 1: I would imagine it's not just him leaning on their

988
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 1: results data. Yeah. I think if you want to evaluate

989
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:14,319
Speaker 1: players to the best of your ability, you use your

990
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 1: eyes first. Always in any sport, trust your eyes, and

991
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 1: then you back it up and check yourself with analytics,

992
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 1: advanced analytics, and whatever data you can get your hands on.

993
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:28,240
Speaker 1: I think you also throw in anecdotes from throwing quotes

994
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 1: from players and coaches, and you know, endorsements from a

995
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 1: guy like Bill Belichick. Throw all that into the stew

996
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 1: and then this is what comes out. And I think

997
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 1: that's sort of why next Gen and the eye test

998
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 1: are similar, because you're checking yourself with each of them.

999
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 1: Very good you and again, does this have a this

1000
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:46,399
Speaker 1: needs a vanity of r L. Does it have one?

1001
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:48,239
Speaker 1: Because we gotta get on it because I can't even

1002
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 1: send people to NFL dot com Westling or NFL dot

1003
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 1: com Shook because it's a code by line. It's somewhere

1004
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 1: in between. Let's see. Last year it was under NFL

1005
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 1: dot com all pro I think are all pros. Let's

1006
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 1: hope that's what it is. This year it is really nervous.

1007
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:05,799
Speaker 1: Not oh my god, all right, let's get on. Let's

1008
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:08,799
Speaker 1: talk to programming. Uh check out West is a Twitter

1009
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:12,319
Speaker 1: account and Shook. You could get the links there, absolutely

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Speaker 1: the all protein vanity you r L, NFL dot com

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Speaker 1: slash all Pro team. You can also get there with

1012
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:23,799
Speaker 1: hot pot in the clothes Horse'll thank you right there.

1013
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:30,359
Speaker 1: How come? How come Shook its first billing? I don't

1014
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:33,760
Speaker 1: know talk to the you know, the original content department, clothes,

1015
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 1: cloth hose. I mean, your body is nice too, but

1016
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 1: you're up against Come on, come on, all right, there

1017
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 1: you go. So check that out. Great work by West

1018
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:45,879
Speaker 1: and Shook. Uh finally, Uh, this is fun to check

1019
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 1: in every once in a while because you know, yeah,

1020
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 1: we're a football podcast, but we're people too. We got

1021
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:53,880
Speaker 1: lives outside, not great ones, but like we have lives

1022
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 1: outside of Why why are you Mark? Do you have

1023
00:52:57,120 --> 00:53:00,360
Speaker 1: a great life outside of the podcast? Like? Is it

1024
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 1: like a dynamic Indiana Jones with some issues? But I

1025
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:06,879
Speaker 1: mean in the vet compared to vast majorities of people

1026
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 1: that are truly struggling, I think it's pretty easy. I

1027
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:11,279
Speaker 1: was kind of basing it off you at the Dark Lake.

1028
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 1: Now I think, like, I mean, if you want to

1029
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:15,719
Speaker 1: focus solely on oneself, we all could find negatives if

1030
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:17,760
Speaker 1: you wanted to. I'm not. I tried not to today,

1031
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:21,840
Speaker 1: just for today, Okay, anyway, the point being, that's my favorite, man,

1032
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:25,239
Speaker 1: What is going on? What are what are we? What

1033
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 1: are we into? In fact, I like to call this

1034
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 1: segment content ingestion? All right? So that I mean, that's

1035
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 1: pretty self explanatory, isn't it. Greg? The Internet got thrown

1036
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 1: in there. I like that. Well, that covers a lot

1037
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 1: of bases. I wanted to make sure we didn't miss anything.

1038
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:49,800
Speaker 1: So we'll start with you, Greg. What is the content

1039
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 1: that you're ingesting the most right now? Well? One, not one,

1040
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 1: just that I enjoyed the most was the favorite? This

1041
00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 1: is like, what is that it's a movie starring Rachel Weiss,

1042
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 1: an emmistone too Great and uh two great and one

1043
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 1: of some of their best roles. And then Olivia Coleman,

1044
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:09,439
Speaker 1: who's gonna win all the awards, I think, who played

1045
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 1: the queen in this. It'd be like if it's the

1046
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 1: one of the funniest, like kind of body like cold

1047
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 1: blooded movies I can remember, very dark humor. It's like

1048
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 1: it's like a queen, you know, pride and prejudice setting

1049
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:25,920
Speaker 1: or something. If it had like the script of Reservoir Dogs,

1050
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 1: like it's just people going at it and it's hilarious.

1051
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:32,000
Speaker 1: Sold I'm and I feel like people see it and

1052
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, a queen movie set in the eighteen hundreds, Like, oh,

1053
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:39,239
Speaker 1: that sounds like a slog, but it's the opposite. It's

1054
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 1: like it's like raw and hilarious. Dan. Every time I

1055
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 1: go over to your house, you always have a nice

1056
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 1: period piece of three or four hour sometimes those b

1057
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:50,880
Speaker 1: b BBC mini series is wherever? What I where with this?

1058
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:53,919
Speaker 1: Has he attracted you with this description to go see

1059
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 1: it in the theater? Like it's a comedy. It's one

1060
00:54:56,239 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 1: of the funniest. I I trust Greg's judgment with popular

1061
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 1: culture pretty much in all cases I do. I think

1062
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 1: he has a good radar for it. I'll check that out,

1063
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:13,399
Speaker 1: all right. Well, after not reading any books for five months,

1064
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:15,920
Speaker 1: they're back in my life, so I have that going on.

1065
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:18,839
Speaker 1: But what I would tell other people, I think they'll

1066
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:22,400
Speaker 1: get more out of the show you on Netflix, funny,

1067
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 1: all right, keep going because of because of your feedback.

1068
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 1: I watched the pilot last night. In fact, go on um.

1069
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:33,960
Speaker 1: I was worried after the pilot that we were getting

1070
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:37,040
Speaker 1: sort of a Dexter knockoff, that it was going to

1071
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:41,839
Speaker 1: be too derivative. And after sitting through Lakishan, I watched

1072
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 1: this in about four different sittings, so we've watched two

1073
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 1: or three episodes at a time, and after every sitting

1074
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:49,680
Speaker 1: I would have a different like confidence about where the

1075
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:52,400
Speaker 1: show was going, and I was wrong every time. It

1076
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 1: keeps you guessing. I thought it was really smartly done

1077
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 1: and good acting. And there was at least two or

1078
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 1: three times in the first season where I had to

1079
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:07,759
Speaker 1: leave the room and walk away because mentally, psychology, psycho psychologically,

1080
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 1: I couldn't take the show. I mean, Penn Badgley's back,

1081
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:15,360
Speaker 1: he thought he was gone. He's an o C legend,

1082
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 1: I mean offense co between Uh the o C. You

1083
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 1: know the classic TV show mid two thousand's, uh Fox

1084
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:26,279
Speaker 1: show that changed the game. Uh, And he hasn't been

1085
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 1: in the mix that much. He's back. I watched the

1086
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 1: first episode. I haven't I haven't actually seen the show,

1087
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 1: but I just like that he's around. You convinced me

1088
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:34,920
Speaker 1: to go back in. Oh good, good. Did you have

1089
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:36,399
Speaker 1: the same thing that you thought it was a little

1090
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:38,719
Speaker 1: too close to dexter? Yes, and a lot of times,

1091
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:40,719
Speaker 1: you know, when you're in the married situation, trying to

1092
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 1: find a show that you can both watch together. And

1093
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 1: I don't think Simone was in the married A roaring

1094
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 1: fan of the first episode, So maybe we will try again. UM,

1095
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:52,320
Speaker 1: I'll throw it up. But damn, what was your reaction

1096
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 1: to I liked it. I thought it was I thought

1097
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 1: Badgeley was good, as I knew Greg would want to

1098
00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:01,840
Speaker 1: hear that. Um, the actor that is in the first episode,

1099
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:03,439
Speaker 1: I don't know if she's the star of the show also,

1100
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:07,319
Speaker 1: but she's awesome. I'm way into her. And um, Yes,

1101
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:10,959
Speaker 1: there was some concerned about the way the episode ended,

1102
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:13,200
Speaker 1: and my wife watched it with me. She was on

1103
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 1: the fence. I said, let's give it three episodes and uh,

1104
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 1: and we'll see where I wrap. But I I am

1105
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:21,440
Speaker 1: in on you. I can't figure out. Like I'm not

1106
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 1: saying it's the sopranos. Like I'm not saying it's that

1107
00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 1: well done. But it's certainly gripping. Yes, it's it's funny,

1108
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 1: it's got um a good vibe to it, and I

1109
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:33,320
Speaker 1: could be underselling it. Maybe it will end up being soprano.

1110
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:35,320
Speaker 1: Let's remember it was David Eliot that rolled through our

1111
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 1: our news room, not to you necessarily, but days ago

1112
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:41,560
Speaker 1: made the recommendation. Well where did get that information from?

1113
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 1: Probably from Lakisha or West. I'll throw out, I'll throw

1114
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 1: out another TV show. Uh, this is basketball a love story? UM.

1115
00:57:56,800 --> 00:58:02,920
Speaker 1: ESPN really ambitious, hyper ambitious. Dan Klarez Um was the

1116
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 1: mastermind behind it. He's done thirty thirties in the past

1117
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 1: for ESPN. But if you're an NBA fan, UM, this

1118
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 1: is unbelievable. It's a twenty hour series, sixty two short stories,

1119
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 1: and I have not gotten through all of it, but

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00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:21,000
Speaker 1: I've I've been watching. I've watched probably half of it

1121
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:26,360
Speaker 1: now and UM, the um vignettes or the short stories

1122
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 1: on the first draft lottery, the dream Team, m J

1123
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:36,160
Speaker 1: and Phil Jackson, the Lakers dynasty, and of the early

1124
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 1: two thousand's And the one that I really really enjoyed

1125
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:43,200
Speaker 1: and cannot recommend enough is uh the study of the

1126
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:47,919
Speaker 1: Decision the Lebron James disaster from two thousand ten, which

1127
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:50,680
Speaker 1: really digs into the whole history of it. Even though

1128
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:55,160
Speaker 1: ESPN was the major machine behind making it as obnoxious

1129
00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:59,080
Speaker 1: as it was, they pull no punches in breaking down

1130
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:01,040
Speaker 1: what went wrong and why it was such a bad idea.

1131
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:05,760
Speaker 1: And it also served as a reminder that, um, even

1132
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:08,920
Speaker 1: if you're Lebron James, you can make horrible mistakes in

1133
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:12,600
Speaker 1: your early to mid twenties. And they have Lebron James,

1134
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 1: they can get every big basketball name involved that you

1135
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 1: can imagine, other than really m J to speak on

1136
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:19,960
Speaker 1: camera for the series. So let me think, Oh, I

1137
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:23,600
Speaker 1: wish the NFL had something that was this dynamic. So

1138
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 1: a Basketball Loves Story. I'm sure ESPN is re airing

1139
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:29,000
Speaker 1: it and it should be landing on streaming services at

1140
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:32,480
Speaker 1: some point if it's not already there. That is my suggestion.

1141
00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:35,760
Speaker 1: Why contemn J did not It was not unwilling to

1142
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 1: be part of this. I mean he's m J. He

1143
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:41,240
Speaker 1: was either probably held a grudge against Claraz or just

1144
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:43,400
Speaker 1: didn't want to do it. Because they're doing aren't they

1145
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:47,480
Speaker 1: doing a huge, huge like O j le They are

1146
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:50,160
Speaker 1: doing Jordan's one, and so maybe he's sort of committed

1147
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:52,680
Speaker 1: in trying to screw everyone else to that. I've been

1148
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:57,160
Speaker 1: looking forward to this one, and um, I I noticed that,

1149
00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:01,800
Speaker 1: like you said, just breath breathlessly ambitious to do that much.

1150
01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:04,680
Speaker 1: My one concern was how much new stuff are we getting?

1151
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:06,840
Speaker 1: Is it just a lot of hashed over stuff? I

1152
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:08,880
Speaker 1: mean a lot of stuff is gonna be you know,

1153
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:11,120
Speaker 1: the Dream Team for instance, We've heard about that a

1154
01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 1: million times, but it's done in such a really um

1155
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:17,080
Speaker 1: well done way in terms of the amount of effort,

1156
01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:20,320
Speaker 1: the people that they talked to, Um, it's just you

1157
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:23,240
Speaker 1: could tell is a project that took years to accomplish,

1158
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:25,960
Speaker 1: and the guy has enough context to get all the

1159
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:28,800
Speaker 1: people that were involved on the record talking about it

1160
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:32,400
Speaker 1: looking back and you're going to check out that. Uh yeah,

1161
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:37,120
Speaker 1: it's awesome. Um alright, thanks, all right, Mark, close us out.

1162
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:41,600
Speaker 1: Mine is falls into the book category box. There we go.

1163
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:45,920
Speaker 1: And I one thing about living in Los Angeles is

1164
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:50,640
Speaker 1: that I love true crime, and l A is underrated

1165
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:53,280
Speaker 1: on that front compared to I think sometimes people just

1166
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:55,400
Speaker 1: think it's New York and Chicago with the mafia and

1167
01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:58,560
Speaker 1: whatever else is happening. But l A has some incredible

1168
01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:02,240
Speaker 1: that l is the best for. I don't think I

1169
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:04,720
Speaker 1: knew that before I moved here, but there are You

1170
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:07,640
Speaker 1: can drive down any street in the city and uh,

1171
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:09,880
Speaker 1: there's history attached to it, and it's the mix of

1172
01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:12,280
Speaker 1: crime mixed with Hollywood to all of it is a

1173
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:17,720
Speaker 1: bizarre cocktail. And yesterday was the seventy second anniversary of

1174
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:22,520
Speaker 1: the uh Black Dahlia murder. Elizabeth Short was her name,

1175
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:26,600
Speaker 1: And I am not seventy two years old, and I

1176
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:29,240
Speaker 1: would not do such a thing, but I will say,

1177
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:34,360
Speaker 1: whoever that lady is, it sounds like fantastic. Well. Um,

1178
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:38,120
Speaker 1: this book that I have read, I read partially and

1179
01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:40,680
Speaker 1: I've circled back and finished it, called The Black Dalue Avenger,

1180
01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:45,440
Speaker 1: is written by a decades long retired l A police

1181
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:48,000
Speaker 1: detective who covered some of the biggest cases ever and

1182
01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:51,560
Speaker 1: rose up through the ranks and had a father. His

1183
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:53,360
Speaker 1: name was Steve Hodel and he had a father named

1184
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:56,440
Speaker 1: George Hodel, doctor George Hodel, who was like a child

1185
01:01:56,560 --> 01:02:01,360
Speaker 1: genius who like, at age sixteen was henning insane columns

1186
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:03,959
Speaker 1: for the Old l A not even the La Times,

1187
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:05,760
Speaker 1: whatever else it was the l A Mirror or something,

1188
01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:08,240
Speaker 1: and he would ride around in the night and cover

1189
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:11,400
Speaker 1: crime and wrote these incredible vignettes and then just dropped

1190
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:13,800
Speaker 1: it and became like a doctor and then would drop

1191
01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:15,360
Speaker 1: that and become something else. He was like, he couldn't

1192
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:19,120
Speaker 1: stay with anything for long. And Steve Hoddell, after his

1193
01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:23,160
Speaker 1: father's death, learned through various other family members, um and

1194
01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:25,600
Speaker 1: I won't get too deep into it, but also through

1195
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:28,360
Speaker 1: records and research that his father and this is the

1196
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:32,760
Speaker 1: biggest unsolved case in l A history, the Black Dahlia Murder,

1197
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:35,360
Speaker 1: that he is convinced and it's not just you know,

1198
01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:37,960
Speaker 1: his mind just thinking this out of than air, that

1199
01:02:38,080 --> 01:02:40,880
Speaker 1: his father was the Black Dahlia murderer. And the book

1200
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:43,320
Speaker 1: I went in, I was, I'm gonna be super like

1201
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:46,120
Speaker 1: suspicious going in because no one solved this thing. There

1202
01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:48,440
Speaker 1: are now because because the l A p D will

1203
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:50,920
Speaker 1: not allow anyone to be named the killer because it

1204
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:52,600
Speaker 1: was an embarrassment to the l A. P D for

1205
01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:56,240
Speaker 1: so long. But there are multiple retired policemen and multiple

1206
01:02:56,600 --> 01:03:00,200
Speaker 1: retired like district attorneys who basically say case Saw and

1207
01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:02,960
Speaker 1: if you're into this stuff, read this book. It is

1208
01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:05,120
Speaker 1: incredible how he paints it. But it's not just that

1209
01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:08,360
Speaker 1: he goes on to trace him to stuff when he

1210
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:11,320
Speaker 1: lived in Chicago and stuffed up in the Bay Area

1211
01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:14,040
Speaker 1: that has elements of the zodiac because he lived also

1212
01:03:14,160 --> 01:03:17,360
Speaker 1: that time. There is so many commonalities that you kind

1213
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:19,320
Speaker 1: of think, oh, there's all these millions of these people

1214
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:22,400
Speaker 1: out there doing this. That's sometimes it's not millions of people,

1215
01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:26,160
Speaker 1: and it is. It is a book that very few

1216
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:29,200
Speaker 1: books has scared me. There is one. This is one

1217
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:31,520
Speaker 1: of them where I had to put it down because

1218
01:03:31,560 --> 01:03:33,200
Speaker 1: it got into my head a little too much because

1219
01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:35,520
Speaker 1: it's it's happening right here in l A. It's a

1220
01:03:35,600 --> 01:03:39,200
Speaker 1: great read. Oh my god, Mark, stop it. That's a

1221
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:44,160
Speaker 1: ringing endorsement. Mark. If Mark has to put the book down,

1222
01:03:44,720 --> 01:03:48,600
Speaker 1: I want to pick it up. I love the soundclips

1223
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:52,200
Speaker 1: that sounds like it sounds like a little thing on

1224
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:54,320
Speaker 1: the back of the book, a little sleeve. All right,

1225
01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:57,800
Speaker 1: there you go. That's our content. Ingestion update for January

1226
01:03:57,880 --> 01:04:01,880
Speaker 1: two thousand nineteen. That's uh it for today's show. Yes

1227
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:05,840
Speaker 1: Again Live show. Thursday night is Super Bowl Week in

1228
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:10,960
Speaker 1: Atlanta at the City Winery. UM, come join us. We'll

1229
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:12,040
Speaker 1: have a lot of fun. We have a lot of

1230
01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:14,720
Speaker 1: fun stuff planned for the show already and more to come.

1231
01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:17,720
Speaker 1: So check that out and we'll be back tomorrow Thursday

1232
01:04:17,800 --> 01:04:22,240
Speaker 1: with our Championship Sunday preview. There's only three games left

1233
01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:24,600
Speaker 1: in the season and we're gonna preview two of them

1234
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:32,280
Speaker 1: on tomorrow's show, so check that out. Stan handsas stand

1235
01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:35,280
Speaker 1: hands a signing off for the cam. He's gonna take

1236
01:04:35,320 --> 01:04:38,120
Speaker 1: over the world for a quiet storm. The mail Man,

1237
01:04:39,240 --> 01:04:42,320
Speaker 1: the Old Boss, and the Melina Man, the magic Man

1238
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:44,560
Speaker 1: behind the Glass. He's got a plan.