1 00:00:01,600 --> 00:00:05,440 Speaker 1: Hey, it's Alec Baldwin here before we launch our next 2 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 1: season of Here's the Thing at iHeartRadio in January, I 3 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:13,240 Speaker 1: thought I'd play some of my favorite shows from the archives. 4 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:17,800 Speaker 1: Three years ago, twenty three year old Lena Dunham made 5 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:21,319 Speaker 1: a low budget art house film called Tiny Furniture. She 6 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:24,800 Speaker 1: filmed the movie in her parents' house and basically played herself, 7 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 1: a recent college graduate moving back into her childhood bedroom 8 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:32,839 Speaker 1: while making plans for her future. Dunham was proclaimed a 9 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 1: fresh original voice, a director with a bright future. Writer 10 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 1: director Judd Apatow was one of those who took notice, 11 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:44,200 Speaker 1: and today he and Dunham executive produced Girls, a show 12 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 1: she created for HBO that premiered its second season on 13 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 1: January thirteenth. You're good. 14 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 2: I am so good at you kidding? I have never 15 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 2: been as well in my life. 16 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 1: No, I know. I mean you've seen good that. The 17 00:00:57,280 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 1: wedding was so quick and unexpected. I kind of even 18 00:00:59,240 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: know how to process it. 19 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you tend to overthink things, and that's an 20 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:06,320 Speaker 2: issue for you. This is what it's like when the 21 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 2: hunt is over. I think Sandy really likes me. 22 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:11,959 Speaker 1: I really like him too. 23 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 2: When you's so nice, and funny when you have sex. 24 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:15,400 Speaker 2: There's no part of me that wants like pretend they 25 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 2: don't exist, which is a rarity. 26 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:22,039 Speaker 1: That's awesome. He's kind of a Republican, which feels weird. 27 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 2: What's wrong of the Republican? 28 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 1: It's just the same as a Democrat. They're old bags. 29 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 1: Lena Dunham has achieved an astonishing amount in just three years. 30 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 1: Her portrayal of Hannah Horvath and Girls recently won her 31 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 1: a Golden Globe Award for Best Actress in a Comedy Series. 32 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 1: This past October, she sold a book of essays and 33 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 1: advice to Random House, and her boyfriend is a rock star. Today, 34 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 1: she hardly resembles Aura, her character from Tiny Furniture. I 35 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 1: thought I wouldn't have much in common with Lena. She's 36 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 1: half my age and has been fiercely embraced by my 37 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 1: daughter's generation. But oh, how quickly we realized there was 38 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 1: common ground between us us. 39 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 2: Literally, my show is moving into the thirty rock stages. 40 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 1: No, yes, we're taking you guys are moving to Silver Cup. Yes, 41 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 1: you and Michael Fop. 42 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 2: We were in Silver Cup. Then we went to Steiner 43 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 2: because we couldn't get our stages back because some show 44 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 2: that has one word that's about murder took it. And 45 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 2: then we are coming back because you guys are leaving, 46 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:20,240 Speaker 2: so we're going to be on your stages and in 47 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:20,919 Speaker 2: your offices. 48 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 1: No, no, I thought, isn't Michael Fox coming there too? 49 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 2: He is. We're I think we don't take as much 50 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:28,359 Speaker 2: stage space as you guys did, so we're going to 51 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 2: have because we have fewer sets. So I think it 52 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 2: is gonna have We're gonna have a piece and he's 53 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 2: gonna have a piece. 54 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 3: Wow. 55 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 1: Now, as I'm sitting here meeting you for the first 56 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 1: time and talking to you for the first time, you 57 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: are nothing like I imagined you would be. Really nothing. 58 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 1: I'm a bit thrown here because you play someone who 59 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 1: is a guess in your mind that I want to 60 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 1: talk about. Your a vision of what kind of character 61 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:54,839 Speaker 1: you wanted to create is a little bit a beat 62 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 1: behind everyone else. Or I'll let you articulate that what 63 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: you think she is though, But what I want to 64 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 1: say is you when I meet you, you seem like 65 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 1: you could be like a senator or the head of 66 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 1: the corporation. I mean, you're really very, very You seem 67 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:13,800 Speaker 1: so together and smart, and you look great, and you 68 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 1: cut your hair, you look gorgeous. That is firstly, very meaningful. 69 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:19,920 Speaker 2: And I have to not turn red and get excited 70 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 2: because you said that's radio. 71 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 1: So I don't care. I don't care. 72 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:25,639 Speaker 2: I'll get good, perfect, and I'm wearing my crew jacket 73 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 2: and I really I should have dressed up more for you. 74 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:30,360 Speaker 2: But that being said, you know, it's funny. Firstly, a 75 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 2: beat behind idea really speaks to me because I'm always 76 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 2: sort of saying when people ask about Hand, I'm always 77 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 2: sort of saying, she's a version of me, but she's 78 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 2: a few years behind me, and she's also sort of 79 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 2: a few minutes behind everyone around her. So you really 80 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 2: picked up on a concept that I'm sort of always 81 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 2: thinking about a little bit when I play her and 82 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 2: when I write her. 83 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 1: But she's who you used to be. 84 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 2: You know, it's funny. I think I used to I 85 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 2: think I in order to convince myself that I should 86 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 2: play this character, or that I should even write this character, 87 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 2: I had to say, well, I'm just writing my It's 88 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 2: that easy. I'm just writing myself. Because the idea of 89 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 2: sort of creating an entire other human can be so 90 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 2: intimidating and Who are you? 91 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 1: Though? 92 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 2: In real life? 93 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 1: In real life, who are you? 94 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 2: I think that Hannah is someone who I'm very capable 95 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 2: of being, who's wounded, ambitious but doesn't know where to 96 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 2: place it. Hannah sort of the version of myself if 97 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 2: I'd had less understanding parents and sort of less drive 98 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 2: to get things done. And I think who I am 99 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 2: as a person who was always sort of if I 100 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 2: had to describe the war within myself that exists currently. 101 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 2: It's sort of the challenge of trying to reconcile the 102 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 2: part of me that that always thought I would be, like, 103 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 2: you know, a weird gender and women studies teacher who 104 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 2: occasionally showed movies at film festivals and hung out in 105 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 2: my strange apartment that was stacked high with books. Trying 106 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 2: to reconcile that with the part of me that has 107 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 2: to like figure out a dress. 108 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:53,040 Speaker 1: The cover of Rolling Stone magazine. 109 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:54,599 Speaker 2: Exactly it was to shoot the Rolling cover of Rolling 110 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 2: Stone Magazine was to figure out a dress to wear 111 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 2: that for an event that and everyone seems to be 112 00:04:58,200 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 2: worried about whether or not the dress is in st 113 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 2: because it has to be my own dress, and so 114 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 2: I'm dealing with all these sort of this strange echosystem 115 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 2: and all these weird politics that I kind of never 116 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 2: imagined would happen to me in my lifetime. 117 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 1: You never imagined, No, you really never imagined it. 118 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 2: I think I my dream situation was that I would 119 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:18,599 Speaker 2: be someone who people thought, oh, she's doing important work 120 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 2: in her own little corner. 121 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 4: Like a ras Chaste cartoon character, exactly like a Ra's 122 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 4: Chast cartoon character, or like I think because I went 123 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 4: to pretentious private school, the biggest dream you would have 124 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 4: is you'd be. 125 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:32,920 Speaker 2: Like I'm going to be Joan Diddyon. That was kind 126 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 2: of where your brain was allowed to wantry maybe Nora. 127 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 1: E from Maybe You'll make films, but you're not going 128 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:38,719 Speaker 1: to be in films exactly. 129 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 2: And I don't think when I first started acting, I 130 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 2: mean I never got parts in high school. I never 131 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:45,359 Speaker 2: even I never was able. I think I had a 132 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 2: twofold thing about it. One is that it came from 133 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:48,840 Speaker 2: a family of artists, and so the idea was sort 134 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 2: of like you made your work and then got out 135 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 2: of the way of it. Like part of what was 136 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 2: I think I internalized the idea that your work was 137 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 2: supposed to speak for you. You were not supposed to 138 00:05:57,680 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 2: speak for your work, and so I think I was 139 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 2: conscious about the idea of being anything so self promoting, 140 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 2: and although that's not what acting is, it is now 141 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:11,720 Speaker 2: it's become that. And then I also think that I thought, well, 142 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 2: there's people who are professionals who can do this better 143 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:16,159 Speaker 2: than me. So I'm just going to act until I 144 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:19,039 Speaker 2: have access to the people who should be acting. And 145 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:21,040 Speaker 2: sometimes I still feel that way. Sometimes I think, like, 146 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 2: you know, I'll do this a little longer and then 147 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:26,920 Speaker 2: Michelle Williams can play me every day till I die. 148 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 2: Something that's really nice about making the show that isn't 149 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 2: that is a comedy that isn't stuck in any sort 150 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 2: of I mean, thirty Rock was able to bust out 151 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 2: of a lot of network sitcom tropes, but a lot 152 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 2: of the time when you're on a I think one 153 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:43,559 Speaker 2: of the biggest things that networks prevent, besides curse words 154 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 2: and showing your breasts is development. I think that when 155 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:50,280 Speaker 2: you play, I think so many sitcom characters end up 156 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:56,039 Speaker 2: playing the same version of themselves in various scenarios. 157 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:59,840 Speaker 1: This is the thing as God as my judge. This 158 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 1: is the thing that we talked about in the meeting 159 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:05,600 Speaker 1: to prep this thing with you, which was shows I've 160 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 1: seen where the protagonists male or female, they're going through 161 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 1: the same set of problems in season six that they 162 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 1: were in season one. It's just different lines in different coasts. Yes, 163 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 1: And with you, I'm wondering, do you have a Bible 164 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 1: on the show? Do you have an arc in your mind? 165 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 1: Not even on paper, not even approved with your other 166 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 1: Could you do this with jud correct. 167 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 2: I do it with Judd and a woman named Jenny 168 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 2: Connor who's the other executive producer. 169 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 1: And we have a great little writer's room. 170 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 2: But our writer's room doesn't really work like It's not 171 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 2: like we write a script and then all sit together 172 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 2: punching it up. It's much more we sit together at 173 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 2: the beginning of the season and really talk through It's 174 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 2: like a giant therapy session where we work out the 175 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 2: emotional arc and then we go to it. 176 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 1: And when you work out that emotional arc, do you 177 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 1: think to yourself are the things that she's going through? 178 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 1: Now your character and the other characters where you're saying 179 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 1: to yourself, let's make sure they're not going through this, 180 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 1: that there is growth a season from now or by 181 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 1: the end of the season completely. 182 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 2: And that's why I feel like it's okay for me 183 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 2: to cut my hair, or it's okay for me to 184 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 2: start spinning, or it's okay for me you know whatever 185 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 2: I whatever to change to change, because I feel as 186 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 2: though so much of what this show is about is 187 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 2: about seeing these girls off into their adulthood. Like in 188 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 2: my Bible, the ideal finale to the show would be 189 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 2: a feeling like, you know, they don't have to have kids, 190 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 2: they don't have to have husbands, but you look at 191 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 2: them and you kind of go, they're on their way. 192 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 2: They're more okay than they were when they started, or 193 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 2: they're less okay, but we have an understanding of what 194 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 2: kind of adult we think they're going to be. 195 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 1: So describe to me how that works. Because the theme 196 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 1: here is control. And you are, like other brilliant comedy 197 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:37,440 Speaker 1: writing chicks I've known over the years. You have this 198 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 1: is your show, this is your thing. So how does 199 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 1: it start? How does whose idea was? Girls? Was it yours? 200 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 2: It was mine? Because I basically I went in, I 201 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 2: made this movie tiny Furniture, and I made it. You know, 202 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 2: my mom and sister starred. We shot it in my 203 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 2: mom's house, my mom and dad's house. It was totally 204 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 2: populated with friends, some of whom have made their way 205 00:08:58,160 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 2: to Girls with me. 206 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 1: And what motivated you don't want to do tiny furniture. 207 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 2: I had always wanted to be a writer, and I 208 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 2: used to think I wanted to be a playwright, and 209 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:07,680 Speaker 2: then in college I sort of had this revelation where 210 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 2: I thought, like, plays, you rehearse, and you rehearse, and 211 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:13,440 Speaker 2: then they happened twice. Like I just felt so frustrated 212 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 2: by the lack of permanence. Like I'd always been sort 213 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 2: of turned on by the fact that when my parents 214 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 2: as artists, made work, like they had these material items 215 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 2: that would outlast them. And I was frustrated that that 216 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 2: wasn't a part of the theater experience. So I started 217 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 2: making short films and I made my first feature and 218 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 2: went to south By Southwest Film Festival with it, and 219 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 2: then I just had and I'd been making web TV, 220 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:37,679 Speaker 2: and I just had this itch to sort of tell 221 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 2: the specific story, and I wrote the script and the kind. 222 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:41,960 Speaker 1: Well, that's what I want to talk about, is is 223 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 1: that itch meaning beyond the arc of the shooting and 224 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 1: the and the career aspects of it or the burgeoning career. 225 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:51,319 Speaker 1: What was it about what was going on in your 226 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 1: life that you want to do that movie? 227 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 2: On a practical, real life level, I wanted to talk 228 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 2: about that moment between college and adulthood that felt so 229 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 2: flounder and so every day I felt like I was 230 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 2: walking through the strangest, most surreal soup. That would mean 231 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 2: that on a deeper level, I kind of wanted to 232 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 2: talk about change, which is what I always think is 233 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 2: sort of the most interesting place to find characters is 234 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 2: in a time of intense change. And so I sort 235 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 2: of also wanted to capture this moment where I was 236 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 2: I knew that I wouldn't live at home forever, that 237 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 2: my little sister wouldn't be sort of seventeen and ambitious 238 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:27,439 Speaker 2: but also stuck in her bedroom forever, that my mom 239 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:30,200 Speaker 2: was sort of looking in this beautiful moment where she 240 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 2: kind of was I mean, she'd murder me for saying this, 241 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 2: but she looked that kind of beautiful way where it's 242 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 2: like you're not quite old yet and you just look 243 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 2: kind of She just looked kind of perfect to me, 244 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:39,560 Speaker 2: and I just. 245 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 1: Look a great car. 246 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:44,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I just thought I could say that exactly, 247 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 2: and I just thought, I want to capture all of this. 248 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 2: I want to capture our cats, I want to capture 249 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 2: our house, I want to remember all of this. And so, 250 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 2: so you really love your mom. I'm obsessed with my mom. Okay, 251 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 2: I love my mom. 252 00:10:57,520 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 1: But I'm saying, that's interesting that you have that feeling 253 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 1: and that's what makes you survey what's around. You wouldn't 254 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:05,200 Speaker 1: want to capture that because I find typically people who 255 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 1: are not happy they got to wait a while until 256 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:10,719 Speaker 1: they can negotiate the pain to go back and talk 257 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 1: about that. 258 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 2: It's one of the biggest things that inspires me to 259 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:15,680 Speaker 2: make work is this feeling of looking around and going, 260 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 2: even if you're not perfect, you're all so perfect right now, 261 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 2: let's capture this and then, you know, I'd love the feeling. 262 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 2: I was just watching like Panic and Needle Park last week, 263 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 2: that movie which is you know it, Kitty Win, Kitty Gosh, 264 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 2: She's so good. Where did Kitty Win go? 265 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:32,320 Speaker 1: Yeah? Let me get that vile out for Kitty Win. 266 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:33,439 Speaker 1: She's incredible. 267 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 2: But so I was watching that and I was just 268 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 2: thinking about how exciting it was to be able to 269 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 2: watch sort of like al Pacino at that first moment 270 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 2: when he was sort of like he still almost looked 271 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:44,599 Speaker 2: a little adolescent, and he was still and he was 272 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 2: learning his craft and just behaving on film. Yeah, and 273 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 2: I just love capturing that. And that's something that I've 274 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 2: tried to do with girls too, is sort of grab 275 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:55,719 Speaker 2: people and go, let's just let's just see you as 276 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 2: you are right now. 277 00:11:57,120 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 1: Now. 278 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 3: So the film did well, So then how does girls Happen? 279 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 3: Girls happened? Because so then I went to LA and 280 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 3: kind of did that. I went like, Okay, I guess 281 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:10,560 Speaker 3: what you do next is get an agent. And I 282 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 3: guess what you do next is try to figure out 283 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 3: what you're doing next. 284 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:15,439 Speaker 1: You, I mean, you're on the runway. 285 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 2: Now, Yes, I was. I was on the runway, and 286 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 2: I was going around LA doing the sort of what 287 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:20,559 Speaker 2: I call the couch and water bottle tour of LA, 288 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 2: where you meet everybody and have those kind of general 289 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 2: meetings where and I remember it was so funny because 290 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:27,719 Speaker 2: at first I didn't understand that everybody says to you 291 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 2: at the end of the general meeting, oh, I'd love 292 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 2: to find a way to work with you. And so 293 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 2: I would call my agent afterwards and go, oh my god, 294 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 2: it was amazing, and he said he wants to find 295 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:35,320 Speaker 2: a way. 296 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 1: To work with me, and he meant he what should 297 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 1: come clean his pool? 298 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, basically, I'd always been obsessed with TV. I'd always 299 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 2: loved TV and found it to be the most sort 300 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:43,559 Speaker 2: of comforting medium and. 301 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 1: The one that what comforted you on TV? 302 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 2: What comforted me on TV was there's a range of 303 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 2: things that comforted me on TV. I loved having weird 304 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:53,960 Speaker 2: what was the most what was the weirdest? I mean, 305 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 2: my favorite show when I was little was Under the 306 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 2: Umbrella Tree, which is a Canadian show about a woman 307 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 2: who lives with three puppet and it was on every 308 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 2: morning at seven am. God there were three of them 309 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:07,439 Speaker 2: named Iggy, Gloria, and Jay, and Iggy was an iguana. 310 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:09,440 Speaker 2: Gloria is a groundhog and Jay is a blue jay 311 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 2: and he lives out back in a birdhouse. They like 312 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:14,560 Speaker 2: talk to you about recycling, or like help their old 313 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:17,080 Speaker 2: elderly neighbor who fell down in the street. Like they're 314 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 2: just like nice puppets, But looking back, it feels like 315 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 2: a child molester who's on the lamb with her three. 316 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 1: My my guilty pleasure. Like that was when I was 317 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 1: in my twenties and I go to my friend's house 318 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 1: and we just had this weird habit where like at 319 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 1: four o'clock in the afternoon, we'd like make a drink 320 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 1: and we'd roll the biggest joint and we'd smoke pot 321 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 1: and watch a show called Stairway to Stardom that was 322 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 1: on Public Access TV. And Stairway to Startom was this 323 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 1: older man and kind of looked like Rod Steiger. He 324 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:45,839 Speaker 1: was like a burly looking, tough looking older man. And 325 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 1: his wife and she kind of looked like like Tammy 326 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 1: Faye Baker. She was like a big, big honey combed 327 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:54,319 Speaker 1: shellacte hair and she was like this big bosom me 328 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 1: older woman. And the guy would come out and he 329 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 1: had the funniest voice. He'd be like, welcome everyone to 330 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 1: sell and use, and they'd sing a song and opening 331 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 1: so and they would bring out acts that would perform. 332 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 1: They were all like local queens Brooklyn talent parakeets. 333 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:13,440 Speaker 3: It was like it was bizarre that sounds like the 334 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:15,440 Speaker 3: best thing in the world. It was the best show 335 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:17,239 Speaker 3: in the world, especially if you've smoked. 336 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 1: An enormous amount of marijuana an enormous joint, so you're 337 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 1: on the Sofa water Bottle Tour and what happens on 338 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 1: the sofa water bottle. 339 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 2: Tour and my agent, who I feel like you're not 340 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 2: supposed to say you love your agent because it makes 341 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 2: you sound really Hollywood and everyone. I love everyone, And 342 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 2: also I have the best agent. He's like really been 343 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 2: at it for a long time. He's like a cigar 344 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 2: smoking you know, he's what I imagined. His name's Peter Benedeck. 345 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 1: Peter Benedict did know Peter Benedeck, And he smoked cigars. 346 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 3: He's old school, he's old kind of a hectemic gothapy exactly. 347 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 2: And he belongs to a cigar club. Which one does 348 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 2: he belong to? I think it says it has a 349 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 2: Cuban flair. I think it is. 350 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 1: I'm on the board of Grand ev are you. I 351 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 1: know Peter and I probably have seen him a Granda 352 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 1: that Wow. He always plays on the out there and 353 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 1: smoked the goods with him when you were still a 354 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 1: gleam in your parents. Aye, you weren't even around God. 355 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 1: Damn with the way this business works. No, no, no, 356 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 1: So he's your agent and you love him. 357 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 2: I love him, And he said to me, I was 358 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 2: sort of saying to him like, maybe I could get 359 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 2: I just wanted to move out of my parents' house, 360 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 2: and I thought and make more movies. And I was like, 361 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 2: maybe I could should write a spec how I met 362 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 2: your mother, and I could get staffed on a show. 363 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 2: I mean, I didn't know any I didn't know how 364 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 2: any of this worked. And he said that I should 365 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 2: go for a meeting at HBO, and I did, and 366 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 2: I said, well, here's what I'd want to see, is 367 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 2: like a show about all my girlfriends, like sort of 368 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 2: like Tiny Furniture, but there's more of us, and we 369 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 2: don't live with our parents anymore, but it's still about that. 370 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 2: It's like it was pitched so weekly, like a year 371 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 2: after my movie, but there's more of us and it's 372 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 2: a TV show. 373 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 1: So the conversation wasn't coming out of and Tiny Furniture 374 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 1: in the indie and in the festival world had a 375 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 1: very good buzz. There was no conversation, but you just 376 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 1: going right into films and making more films. Normally they're 377 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 1: going to want to steer some especially your age was 378 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 1: very young. They're going to go just keep making movies. 379 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 2: Well, you know, there was a conversation, but I think 380 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 2: I picked up on the fact very early going on 381 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 2: the Couch and Water Bottle tour that the kind of 382 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 2: stories that I wanted to tell we're not really being 383 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 2: funded on a larger scale and film. 384 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 1: We're taking a break stay with us. 385 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 2: I picked up on the fact very early going on 386 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 2: the Couch and Water Bottle tour that the kind of 387 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 2: stories that I wanted to tell we're not really being 388 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 2: funded on a larger scale. 389 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 1: And film Tina says that sometimes the Tina I would 390 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 1: just finished working. Yeah, it seems like it's more difficult 391 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 1: to ay to have the control you want in the 392 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 1: film business and be to say what you want to say. 393 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 2: It is, And the fact is I could have kept 394 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 2: saying what I wanted to say, you know, making twenty 395 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 2: five thousand dollars movies, but I wanted It's weird. The 396 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 2: reason that I like having some budget is not because 397 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 2: you know, I want to stagecarshes or I want to 398 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 2: have you know, ten makeup artists on set, although those 399 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 2: things would will would be lovely, But but it's more 400 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:11,119 Speaker 2: because of the fact that I do so many jobs, 401 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:14,119 Speaker 2: so so exciting to not have to worry anymore about 402 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:17,200 Speaker 2: answering the doorbell, about returning the equipment, about making sure 403 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 2: that people had the pizza. Also, that's going to happen 404 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:23,160 Speaker 2: in TV. And what I has money and has HBO 405 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:24,959 Speaker 2: is time Warner. But they have money, but they use 406 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:27,639 Speaker 2: it in this kind of amazing It's this amazing model, 407 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 2: which is that they don't have to answer to advertisers 408 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 2: in the same way. So HBO can sort of fulfill 409 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:36,880 Speaker 2: its odd little interests. And that's what I started out 410 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 2: as and I what I didn't predict was how much 411 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 2: I would love the opportunity to develop characters in this 412 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 2: way and the kind of the fiber of TV itself. 413 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:49,360 Speaker 1: And they believe in you. Based on my experience, I've 414 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 1: never worked for them, but I've have many friends and 415 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 1: colleagues over the years who've worked for them, and I've 416 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:56,879 Speaker 1: I've almost worked for them here and there. You know, 417 00:17:57,040 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 1: HBO is one of those places like that, I think 418 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:01,920 Speaker 1: the most six testful studios and networks. The way they operate, 419 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 1: which is that they vetted maybe to a fairly well, 420 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 1: but if once they believe in you, they're all in 421 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 1: it's yours. They give you the money that they it's 422 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:14,639 Speaker 1: not too intrusive now, so the template of four women, 423 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:17,720 Speaker 1: and obviously HBO is no stranger to the template of 424 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:20,159 Speaker 1: four women talking about but obviously those women were older. 425 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 2: And you've been a fan of that show, Yes, I 426 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:26,639 Speaker 2: think that I can't find one girl who isn't at 427 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 2: least secretly a fan of Sex and the City who's 428 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:31,879 Speaker 2: my age. And I loved it, And you know, I 429 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 2: was very conscious when I was first writing the show. 430 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:37,200 Speaker 2: I thought to myself, should I put these girls in Boston? 431 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 2: There was and I tried to make it three girls 432 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 2: because and Shashana was initially not one of the girls. 433 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:45,160 Speaker 2: Shashana was jess as Zosher Mammot's character was jess A's 434 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 2: Jemim mc kirk's character's cousin, and she kind of came 435 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:50,359 Speaker 2: in and out as a kind of She was the 436 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:54,439 Speaker 2: more suring as a recurring in and out goofball who 437 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 2: was sort of supposed to call to. 438 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 1: Be that. 439 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 2: She does. She plays it beautifully and but the reason 440 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:07,440 Speaker 2: that I wrote her was to sort of call out 441 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 2: the Sex and the City thing, like this is the 442 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 2: girl who came to New York to have her cosmos 443 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:13,399 Speaker 2: and her Manolo's and it's not going quite right. But 444 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:16,720 Speaker 2: she was so wonderful, and she added something that the 445 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:18,399 Speaker 2: three of us didn't have on our own, and so 446 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 2: it became a four person delio. And so I tried 447 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 2: to make it three women. I tried to put it 448 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:26,920 Speaker 2: in a different city. But the fact is is that 449 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 2: New York is where it was supposed to happen, and 450 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 2: four women just somehow there's a symmetry to it that 451 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 2: doesn't Gee. 452 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 1: Star, be damned, I'm going to do. 453 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 2: I couldn't help it. I couldn't help it. And so 454 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 2: but the fact is that you know, sext and City 455 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 2: is a specter that hangs over in a I mean 456 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 2: in a positive way. Everything when female centric, and you know, 457 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 2: in the writer's room, every there were so many episodes 458 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 2: of Sex and City and they tackled every area of 459 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:53,360 Speaker 2: sexual function and dysfunction that there's almost nothing you can 460 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 2: pitch that they haven't done. 461 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:57,200 Speaker 1: But I found that the women on Sex in the City, 462 00:19:57,320 --> 00:20:00,639 Speaker 1: that those women would have things happen, and they tended 463 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 1: to brush off the consequences pretty quickly. Yeah, whereas the 464 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 1: girls on your show, the tone seems very different. Everybody 465 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:09,639 Speaker 1: seems to almost be doubting what they're doing, or they 466 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:12,440 Speaker 1: have a kind of a sense of fear or anxiety 467 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:14,920 Speaker 1: about it. While they're doing it, it seems more real. Was 468 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 1: that deliberate in your part? Well, something I. 469 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:19,479 Speaker 2: Feel about being in your twenties, which is different than 470 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 2: you know. Sex and the City was a show about 471 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 2: women in their thirties who had successful careers pre recession, 472 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:27,439 Speaker 2: the best, most supportive friends. They didn't have. I mean, 473 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:30,479 Speaker 2: they had little friend TIFFs. But the characters on our 474 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:33,920 Speaker 2: show are tortured. It's sort of impossible to get through 475 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 2: your twenties without It's like, if you ask a girl 476 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:38,200 Speaker 2: in her twenties, are you a happy person? I think 477 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 2: she can say I have happy moments, but I don't 478 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:44,199 Speaker 2: think it's possible. Maybe I'm maybe people will radically disagree 479 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 2: with me, but I don't really think it's possible to 480 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 2: be sort of an at peace human when you are 481 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:56,120 Speaker 2: between twenty two and thirty, and so I think there's 482 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 2: dot I don't because I think. 483 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 1: That's a problem that I mean for me. One thing 484 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:04,200 Speaker 1: that I noticed when I went to college, which is 485 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:06,960 Speaker 1: a long time ago, an interesting number of people they 486 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 1: really knew what they wanted to be, they weren't quite 487 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:11,119 Speaker 1: sure how to get there. They had a dream. I 488 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:12,920 Speaker 1: want to become a lawyer, I want to become a doctor. 489 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 1: I want to go into politics. I want to go 490 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 1: into and now people today it seems like younger people 491 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 1: really they think they have more time to figure it out. 492 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:22,159 Speaker 1: You're turning twenty five, and they really don't have that 493 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:23,640 Speaker 1: picture and focus. Do you agree? 494 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:25,240 Speaker 2: I do agree, And I think a big part of 495 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 2: it is being I think the Internet has cracked things 496 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 2: open in a way that's both beautiful and that it 497 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 2: helps you find. There's so many things that I never 498 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 2: would have even known about, things that have been huge 499 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 2: for me that have existed because of the Internet. And 500 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 2: I think that I've been able to partially connect with 501 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 2: people who would be fans of the show because of 502 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:46,400 Speaker 2: the Internet. I think, you know, it's always exciting when 503 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 2: like there's this website called rookiemag dot com that's run 504 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 2: by this girl, Tavi Jevnson, and it's a smart teen 505 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:54,399 Speaker 2: magazine that exists only on the Internet. And I just 506 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 2: think if when I was a teenager there had been 507 00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 2: that place and that message board, I would have felt 508 00:21:59,960 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 2: like the world was my oyster like just meeting other 509 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:06,600 Speaker 2: weirdo girls who had the same who like you know whatever. 510 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 2: At the time, I just wanted to talk to someone 511 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 2: about Connor Oberst or something on the Internet, and that 512 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:14,359 Speaker 2: would have been possible. But I think now the fact 513 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 2: that like the Internet has created so many strange specialized 514 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:19,159 Speaker 2: jobs and so many things where it's like, you know, 515 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 2: I'm a brand consultant, slash blog enhancer or whatever. People 516 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 2: are like, suddenly the world feels wide open, but there 517 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:30,880 Speaker 2: are less jobs available, and so it's a really confusing 518 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:33,680 Speaker 2: moment to make any decisive choice about what you want 519 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:33,919 Speaker 2: to do. 520 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 1: It's interesting you say that the Internet is responsible for that, 521 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:38,439 Speaker 1: and then idea of having too many choices than you 522 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 1: need you wind up bout. 523 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 2: That could also be a metaphor for like men in 524 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:44,880 Speaker 2: their twenties dating. I feel like men in their twenties 525 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:47,199 Speaker 2: like I once had dated a guy who told me 526 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 2: that he didn't feel like he could be serious about 527 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:51,920 Speaker 2: anyone in New York because it would be like eating 528 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 2: at the same restaurant every night in New York, Right, 529 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 2: there's so many amazing choices. It's New York City. 530 00:22:58,000 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 1: I hope he choked some whatever a restaurant to go. Yeah, 531 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 1: I shouldn't say that. That's me that's wrong. 532 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 2: I feel like that, so it's helpful to have it 533 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 2: backed up by Alec Baldwin. 534 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:12,399 Speaker 1: This is Alec Baldwin, and you're listening to here's the 535 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:30,639 Speaker 1: thing more in a minute. Lena Dunham didn't have to 536 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 1: look far to come up with her character on Girls. 537 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 2: Physically, I'd say Hannah is. I mean, she's me because 538 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:41,399 Speaker 2: I play her. But it's funny because she's chubby, but 539 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:44,239 Speaker 2: she doesn't. That's not where her anxiety comes from. Like 540 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:48,600 Speaker 2: she's just not I like playing a character who doesn't 541 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:50,960 Speaker 2: have a perfect body, but that's not the main source 542 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 2: of their anxiety. I feel like we have very few 543 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 2: female characters on television who don't look like models and 544 00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:59,239 Speaker 2: aren't constantly discussing it. So of course Hannah has her 545 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 2: moments of self conscientiousness, just like every woman does, but 546 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 2: that's not She sort of doesn't notice that her clothes 547 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:07,719 Speaker 2: don't quite fit. She sort of doesn't think about what 548 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 2: she eats. 549 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:10,199 Speaker 1: It's and I have closed her just to cover you 550 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,480 Speaker 1: up and keep you warm, exactly. They have some degree 551 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:13,920 Speaker 1: of style to the grain, but less. 552 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,159 Speaker 2: Like a character exactly. And I like she's more interested 553 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:17,919 Speaker 2: in like whether her clothes are funny and witty, like 554 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:19,880 Speaker 2: I don't think she really cares about being sexy. She's 555 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 2: more just like, oh, this dress like has owls on it? 556 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,399 Speaker 2: How sweet? I used to be much in college. I 557 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:27,160 Speaker 2: dressed like a complete lone. I feel like my dad 558 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 2: always told me, I look the golon tamer all the time. 559 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:31,920 Speaker 2: I've calmed down just because I realized that you could 560 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:35,640 Speaker 2: vests with so many vests, red vest, so many red vests, 561 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 2: so many like you know, strained boots pulled over my 562 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 2: weird leggings with a three flounced skirt. I could never 563 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 2: accessorize enough. It was oppressive. But in the Luftwaffa, yeah, exactly. 564 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 2: And so so that's Hannah's sort of physical I think emotionally, 565 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:55,159 Speaker 2: some facets of Hannah are that she is, you know, 566 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:56,920 Speaker 2: she has a certain amount of wit and a certain 567 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 2: amount of sort of spunk, but she isn't really applying 568 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:01,960 Speaker 2: it anywhere properly yet. And she's also. 569 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 1: Smart and funny and not mean because a lot of 570 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,679 Speaker 1: the people in that world and the improvisational comedy were 571 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 1: oh my god and funny in there me and that 572 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 1: meanness is the font that it comes from. Is that source? 573 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 2: I know and you know the thing about Firstly, my 574 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,199 Speaker 2: dad is like a manner's Nazi. So I think that 575 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 2: I grew up feeling like the worst thing you could 576 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 2: do was offend somehow. 577 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 1: Sit up straight in that chair, and your dad told 578 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 1: me to say that. 579 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 2: I know, Oh my god, my dad still tells me 580 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 2: to sit up straight constantly. 581 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 1: I'm going to call it. 582 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,639 Speaker 2: And then and it's funny because both my dad is 583 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,919 Speaker 2: an artist and he paints these sort of outlandish intense 584 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 2: I mean, he paints things that are pretty pretty sexual images, 585 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 2: pretty aggressive images, you know, a man with a I mean, 586 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:42,919 Speaker 2: they're funny, but they're intents. It's like two men with 587 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 2: penises for noses in a war with guns and knives 588 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 2: with three women. 589 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 1: Grew up around this, is around it. 590 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 2: But it was what was interesting was that my dad 591 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:54,160 Speaker 2: was sort of like you. 592 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 1: Can do girls. I know, dad had penises on his face, on. 593 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 2: His face, on every face, but you know, you I 594 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:03,440 Speaker 2: grew up around it. But I think that my dad 595 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 2: always really showed me that there was a difference between 596 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 2: you know, what your work was and who you were. 597 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 2: And he's so my parents are so polite and so 598 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,680 Speaker 2: sort of they just I think so much of this. Again, 599 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 2: I've never had kids. I've you know, I don't know 600 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:17,879 Speaker 2: what that feels like. But I think, how old are 601 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,639 Speaker 2: you know? I'm twenty six and I want kids, but 602 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,200 Speaker 2: I'm not ready. No, please, I really. 603 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:24,119 Speaker 1: I just tomorrow. 604 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:24,960 Speaker 2: I just got a doctor. 605 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:26,639 Speaker 1: We already have birth control pills for you. 606 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:28,720 Speaker 2: Seriously, no kids now. I don't want kids. I just 607 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,680 Speaker 2: got adoption. Everybody things I'm insane. I just finished season two. 608 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 2: Season three. Well, we're starting season three and we're starting 609 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,919 Speaker 2: at the end of March, so exciting. 610 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to come and play yours therapist. 611 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 2: That would be the most fun thing in the world. 612 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 2: It's bad, bad, bad, But I forget what I'm saying. 613 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:48,160 Speaker 2: But I'm glad you don't think. 614 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 1: I mean. 615 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:50,360 Speaker 2: I get too guilty if I ever make a mean joke, 616 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 2: like appreciate what I'm saying, I do, well, I'm terrified. 617 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:55,920 Speaker 2: It's one of the reasons I don't I don't really 618 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 2: feel like a comedy writer, because there's sort of like 619 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 2: a quickness and a harshness, and you need. 620 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 1: To have those people in your bullpen there. Do you 621 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,679 Speaker 1: have some more really traditional edgier We do have. 622 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 2: I have a couple of writers on the staff, one 623 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 2: Murray Miller, who this season was really essential in sort 624 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 2: of bringing us just hard jokes, But no one on 625 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 2: our staff has that particular kind of darkness. I've been 626 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 2: around a lot of those comedy writers, and you know, 627 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 2: there's that feeling of like even when they're saying something 628 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:23,439 Speaker 2: nice to you, they're kind of trying to murder you 629 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 2: with their eyeballs, and it's. 630 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 1: It's it becomes too much salt to the soup exactly. 631 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,680 Speaker 2: It's impressive to me in small doses, but terrifying. 632 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 1: You've got to have it, but you've got to mix 633 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 1: it carefully. Like when we did our show that was 634 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 1: that was a big issue where like sometimes I would say, 635 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,439 Speaker 1: I just think this is too mean, Like we're going 636 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 1: to lose people like we want to be we want 637 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:42,360 Speaker 1: to be mean, but we have to decide who we're 638 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,359 Speaker 1: going to be mean too. It's true who deserves it. 639 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 2: My thing is also I always I only really make 640 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,360 Speaker 2: jokes about people I like, Like when there's a joke 641 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,480 Speaker 2: that references a celebrity on the show, it's usually a 642 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,160 Speaker 2: joke that I'm making because I have really taken note 643 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,920 Speaker 2: of their work and have fascinated by. 644 00:27:58,040 --> 00:27:59,359 Speaker 1: It's not because you slept with them and you want 645 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 1: to get even with them. 646 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 2: No, I don't have that instinct. 647 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,680 Speaker 1: So talk about two things. The level of control you have. 648 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,800 Speaker 1: I mean, you are a very young woman, and I'm 649 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 1: assuming it's all you correct, I mean it is. 650 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 2: I mean I work with Jenny and Judd really closely, 651 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:20,199 Speaker 2: and I definitely I think I'm constantly sort of telling 652 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,720 Speaker 2: myself I have bosses around. It kind of comforts me. 653 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,359 Speaker 2: I mean, and you don't, do you not exactly. I 654 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 2: have collaborators. I have collaborators, but I have collaborators who 655 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:32,200 Speaker 2: I take really seriously and who you need and who 656 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,879 Speaker 2: I need and who I would never I think the 657 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 2: minute you get an attitude like it's my show, the 658 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 2: ship runs on duneam and my way or the highway, 659 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 2: I think it's broken exactly. I think you still want 660 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 2: to feel a little fear when you share a script 661 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 2: with your collaborations. You want to go I hope they 662 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,240 Speaker 2: like this. I'm going to listen to them. When they don't, 663 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 2: I still feel tremendously indebted to them and anxious about 664 00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 2: their reactions. And I never feel like, you know, I'm 665 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 2: the big boss and you guys can all get with 666 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:02,720 Speaker 2: it or leave. 667 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 1: So when so the Hannah character you start out, I 668 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,080 Speaker 1: mean in tiny Furniture, I almost feel like tiny. 669 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 4: Furniture is it's. 670 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:15,719 Speaker 1: You. You. You may become one of these actresses now 671 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 1: where it's all one series. You know what I mean? 672 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:19,479 Speaker 2: It kind of is. It's funny when I look at 673 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:23,720 Speaker 2: any character I've played in anything that I've made, it's you, 674 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,520 Speaker 2: it's me, and it's it's funny. I've never played anyone 675 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 2: whose name doesn't end with a I've made. I've written 676 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 2: all these characters who because I always have to have 677 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:32,320 Speaker 2: a name that I think sort of like is. 678 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 1: In the world name it's the two double syllables. 679 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 2: Yep. 680 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:39,160 Speaker 1: Someone said to me to be a famous star, you 681 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 1: need to have two double syllable names. 682 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 2: You do, do you? 683 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:49,560 Speaker 1: Or two monos? But Sean Penn, Marlon Brando. 684 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:52,920 Speaker 2: My mom did tell me that she gave me my name, 685 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 2: which is so funny because it's not like we have 686 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:58,960 Speaker 2: any actors in her family. My mom said, I'm named 687 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 2: after my Russian gret Grad. And my mom said, but 688 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 2: when she named me, she thought, I don't know what 689 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:04,480 Speaker 2: she'll want to do. But this is a great name 690 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 2: if she does want to be a movie star. That 691 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,000 Speaker 2: was what my mom thought, which is so funny because 692 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,240 Speaker 2: it's not like my mom's some crazy stage mom or 693 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,520 Speaker 2: like is she she's a photographer and. 694 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:16,520 Speaker 1: She's what's the source of your real close to the start, 695 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 1: to the extent you can say, I don't. 696 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 2: Want to prob oh, no, I don't mind. I've clearly 697 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 2: I don't mind. We are very similar in ways that 698 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 2: can be delightful and can be maddening. Something I like 699 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,360 Speaker 2: about both my parents, and I'd imagine you're like this 700 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 2: with kids too. Is they really talked to me like 701 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 2: I was an adult always? And I love that And 702 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 2: I love I love talking to kids like their adults 703 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,160 Speaker 2: because it's like they kind of come alive when you 704 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 2: just ask them real questions. And yes, my mom always 705 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,120 Speaker 2: really let me into her world. And I'm working right now, 706 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:45,600 Speaker 2: I'll talk to in ten minutes, And just having that 707 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:49,640 Speaker 2: kind of access to her was amazing. Yeah, And I've 708 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 2: just always thought she was the coolest, and it's funny 709 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:53,720 Speaker 2: and it's nice to see it echoed because all my 710 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:55,040 Speaker 2: friends think she's the coolest too. 711 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 1: Now you're going to do how many seasons of the 712 00:30:58,080 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 1: show are you signed on to do well? 713 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,680 Speaker 2: You know, it's not clear. I mean HBO contractually has me, 714 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 2: I think as an actor for six years, but as 715 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:07,880 Speaker 2: a writer, and I wish I should pay more attention 716 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:09,440 Speaker 2: to my deals. But I'm just so excited to have 717 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 2: my job. I just go, okay, whatever you say. But 718 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 2: I think my dream world is that, you know, I 719 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:16,840 Speaker 2: want to kind of follow like you know, how British 720 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,920 Speaker 2: shows always know British shows and thirty Rock always know 721 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 2: just when to get off the air. 722 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 1: The question becomes how you can maybe you know, do 723 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 1: that TV show? And the schedule is how many months. 724 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:30,960 Speaker 2: We do it? 725 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:32,400 Speaker 1: Well, how many episodes. 726 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 2: We've been doing ten? I think between you, me and McGee, 727 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 2: I think we might do twelve next year, right, But 728 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:41,000 Speaker 2: I would love that. I don't want to, like, I 729 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:42,560 Speaker 2: don't have any desire in doing like, you know, a 730 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:44,960 Speaker 2: twenty two episode. I don't even understand how someone does 731 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,720 Speaker 2: the twenty two episode marathon. But I do think that 732 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:51,440 Speaker 2: doing I think that a little more would be just 733 00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:53,800 Speaker 2: a little more storytelling real estate and it'd be amazing. 734 00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 2: But you know, so I shoot four four and a 735 00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,040 Speaker 2: half months out of the year, then I'm editing and 736 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,440 Speaker 2: I'm doing press that I'm writing. Then I'm back. So 737 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,640 Speaker 2: so it's not four and a half months, so it's 738 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,760 Speaker 2: not it's safe months. It's actually more like twelve months. 739 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:10,280 Speaker 2: And so would you make. 740 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:11,360 Speaker 1: A movie during the breakfast now? 741 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,560 Speaker 2: No, I couldn't because there was just no time. I 742 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:15,800 Speaker 2: finished shooting in August, I was editing. 743 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:17,840 Speaker 1: Why don't you make a deal with HBO with all 744 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 1: financi your films, so you're working for them in its 745 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:20,200 Speaker 1: olin house. 746 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 2: It's very smart. I mean, I really want to make 747 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:24,520 Speaker 2: a movie. I have two features scripts that I've been 748 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:26,560 Speaker 2: working on that I just I want to make another 749 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 2: before I make like a big, massive ambitious movie. I mean, 750 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,440 Speaker 2: I want to make a creatively ambitious movie. But I 751 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:34,760 Speaker 2: want to make another small movie I have. I have 752 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:35,760 Speaker 2: small movie idea. 753 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,720 Speaker 1: Do you have a massive ambitious movie inside you? I do, 754 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:41,080 Speaker 1: but it's I you have an idea? 755 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:41,480 Speaker 2: I do. 756 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,120 Speaker 1: But it's so weird, fifty four year old psychotherapist that. 757 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:47,360 Speaker 2: There's there's a fifty four year old somebody And I mean. 758 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 1: I'll talk to you later in the traffic controller. 759 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 2: Working with you is one of my long standing dreams. 760 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 2: But I am and I'm also I'm writing a book. 761 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:55,920 Speaker 2: So that's something that. 762 00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:57,080 Speaker 1: Was really well I heard about that. 763 00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,680 Speaker 2: It's something that was really important to me to start 764 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:01,000 Speaker 2: doing it at this point in my career. 765 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,240 Speaker 1: Starn And you write and produce your own TV show 766 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 1: and you're writing a book. H Who did that remind 767 00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,760 Speaker 1: me of? What are you gonna write a book about? 768 00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:11,400 Speaker 2: I'm writing a book. Well, I guess it's about me, 769 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:13,520 Speaker 2: although it's a little less about me because it also 770 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,560 Speaker 2: has advice an advice component, but it's like personal essays. 771 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:18,840 Speaker 1: So is it like Paula Pell's Hey Young Girls? 772 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,760 Speaker 2: Oh my god, I love Hey Young Girls. Makes me 773 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,840 Speaker 2: so happy. Paula Pel is funny. Paula Pel is someone 774 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:26,040 Speaker 2: who's funny and not mean. 775 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, Paula Pel's I mean to the right people. 776 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 2: She's just a dreamy person. But you know, the thing 777 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:33,360 Speaker 2: that's been so great about writing the book is I've 778 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,479 Speaker 2: always loved writing prose, and I wanted to make it 779 00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,040 Speaker 2: a part of my career sooner rather than later, because 780 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:39,880 Speaker 2: I didn't want it to be like when I decided 781 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:41,720 Speaker 2: to write a book in ten years, it was like, oh, look, 782 00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,960 Speaker 2: here's a celebrity memoir. Number fifty seven I wanted it 783 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:48,080 Speaker 2: to really feel like I'm a person who writes prose 784 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,000 Speaker 2: and that it's a part of my life and career 785 00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:50,600 Speaker 2: for a long time. 786 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:52,760 Speaker 1: But unlike other people that are writing books, they don't 787 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,720 Speaker 1: have TV shows that they're starring in and writing. When 788 00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,480 Speaker 1: you're done doing now not just ten but twelve episodes, 789 00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 1: what do you have left to go into the book? 790 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:01,320 Speaker 2: There's stuff that's just for the book. 791 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:02,360 Speaker 1: There's still an example. 792 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:04,680 Speaker 2: Well, likewise, I write a lot about my childhood in 793 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:06,520 Speaker 2: the book. I write a lot about my parents. I 794 00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,600 Speaker 2: write a lot about college and sort of like that, 795 00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:11,160 Speaker 2: I write a lot about that period. I write a 796 00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,799 Speaker 2: lot about sort of the beginning of being sexual person. 797 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,279 Speaker 2: I write about relationships. I'm writing a lot about sort 798 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:18,560 Speaker 2: of female role model I. 799 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:19,839 Speaker 1: Want to say about sexuality. 800 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:24,719 Speaker 2: It's interesting. I've had to become more conscious about what 801 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:26,600 Speaker 2: I say and what I promote. Not in a way 802 00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:28,040 Speaker 2: that stifles me, but just in a way where I 803 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,839 Speaker 2: realize now that there are seventeen year old girls who 804 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,160 Speaker 2: come up to me and tell me that the show 805 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:34,040 Speaker 2: means a lot to them, and. 806 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,279 Speaker 1: This show one percent of your audience is influenced. This 807 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,839 Speaker 1: is what I learned from someone one percent of your 808 00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:43,400 Speaker 1: one percent is genuinely and in any way influenced by 809 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,280 Speaker 1: what you do and say. That's still tens of thousands 810 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:45,680 Speaker 1: of people. 811 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,480 Speaker 2: It's amazing. It's an amazing thing. And it's like it's 812 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:50,440 Speaker 2: a platform that you have to take seriously, which is 813 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,000 Speaker 2: why sometimes it's like I used to be really into Rihanna, 814 00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,440 Speaker 2: that pop star, and then it was like again, I 815 00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,400 Speaker 2: don't want to ever, you know, throw stones from my glasshouse, 816 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,920 Speaker 2: but I follow her on Instagram and I just think 817 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 2: about how many little girls, beyond what I could even comprehend, 818 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,440 Speaker 2: are obsessed with Rihanna, Like, you know, she left Barbados, 819 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,640 Speaker 2: she's had this amazing career, she's you know, one Grammy, 820 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:15,239 Speaker 2: she's talented, and then she gets back together with Chris 821 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 2: Brown and posts a million pictures of them smoking marijuana 822 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,640 Speaker 2: together on a bed, and it cracks my heart in 823 00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:21,960 Speaker 2: half in a way that makes me feel. 824 00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:23,879 Speaker 1: Like I'm nicety Chris Brown smoking pot. 825 00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,040 Speaker 2: No, because she got back together, was going, oh, yeah, 826 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,319 Speaker 2: you guys, you made a really good joke, and I 827 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,960 Speaker 2: got too emotional and in my response, yeah, because I 828 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:34,520 Speaker 2: want to that's here. It's terrible, mean enough, it's terrible. 829 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,440 Speaker 1: So you are as a role model. What won't Hannah 830 00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:40,080 Speaker 1: or the other girls in the quartet do? 831 00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,600 Speaker 2: Jenny and I talk about this a lot. We won't 832 00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,120 Speaker 2: fuck someone because they have a nice apartment. There's not 833 00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,760 Speaker 2: going to be any version of sort of like prostuding yourself. 834 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:49,600 Speaker 2: There's not going to be any version of dating somebody 835 00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:51,360 Speaker 2: because he can take you out to nice dinner. 836 00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:53,719 Speaker 1: Wait, wait, you're putting down my whole playbook. This is 837 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,440 Speaker 1: all I have left. Wait a second. That is so 838 00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:57,360 Speaker 1: wrong of you. 839 00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,759 Speaker 2: Come on, it's interesting. I have so many friends who 840 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:04,000 Speaker 2: are so sort of tortured by their romantic relationships, and 841 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:05,359 Speaker 2: I think such a big part of it is that 842 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:07,680 Speaker 2: the desires of young men and young women are not 843 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:08,640 Speaker 2: caught up with each other. 844 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:10,680 Speaker 1: And I say to my wife, I do want to 845 00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:12,319 Speaker 1: eat in the same restaurant every night, but I want 846 00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:14,680 Speaker 1: the hostess to wear a different outfit every night. Perfect. 847 00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:18,240 Speaker 1: But so you say they won't monetize sex. 848 00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,680 Speaker 2: They won't monetize sex, And it's like even more subtle 849 00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:23,719 Speaker 2: than that, Like, I don't like a storyline that's like 850 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:26,800 Speaker 2: unless it's really saying something about where characters at. I 851 00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,200 Speaker 2: don't like a storyline that's like, you know, he bought 852 00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,240 Speaker 2: me an entire trousseau of dresses, and so I'm his forever. 853 00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:33,799 Speaker 2: Like that's just not the way that I want to 854 00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,560 Speaker 2: idealize anything. I think that the characters, the characters can 855 00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:41,120 Speaker 2: make mistakes, but they have to be emotionally responsible for 856 00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:43,719 Speaker 2: the things that they've done. I don't ever want to 857 00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,920 Speaker 2: like have a makeover scenario where someone's doing better after 858 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,320 Speaker 2: they've put on a great dress and you know, straight 859 00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,040 Speaker 2: ironed their hair. Like I just there's it's a really 860 00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:56,400 Speaker 2: instinctual thing, but it's just a feeling a balance. I 861 00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,840 Speaker 2: want women. This is so kind of Hippi tippy, but 862 00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:00,680 Speaker 2: I want them to make their own choice. I want 863 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,720 Speaker 2: them to I don't want people to live in service 864 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,360 Speaker 2: to sort of what television things they should look like, 865 00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:07,839 Speaker 2: or what their family things they should act. 866 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,000 Speaker 1: How much do you think that women, because this is 867 00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,319 Speaker 1: a very sensitive topic, I mean because I'm I'm not 868 00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:14,360 Speaker 1: going to go Norman Mailer here, but I feel like, 869 00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,600 Speaker 1: you know, the interesting thing for society is if women 870 00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,040 Speaker 1: have been allowed to make their own choices for the 871 00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:21,920 Speaker 1: most part, for the last forty years, or at least 872 00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:25,680 Speaker 1: for the last twenty five and that's reaped enormous benefits 873 00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,160 Speaker 1: for society. I mean, forget about just women. But at 874 00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:29,960 Speaker 1: the same time, women are the only ones who can 875 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,319 Speaker 1: have children, true, and therefore in the way that we're 876 00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:35,640 Speaker 1: trying to in the traditional family or even in a 877 00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,320 Speaker 1: gay family where a man and two guys want to 878 00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,120 Speaker 1: have a baby with a woman, or two women want 879 00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:44,359 Speaker 1: to have a child together, that balance of career and 880 00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:48,480 Speaker 1: ambition and so forth with family is that something that 881 00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,040 Speaker 1: you struggle with some numbers you even think that. 882 00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:52,480 Speaker 2: Struggling, But I mean I think about it all the 883 00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:54,680 Speaker 2: time actually because I'm. 884 00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:56,640 Speaker 1: Because you're the product of a happy home, yeah. 885 00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:58,760 Speaker 2: And I want all that you want to replicate that totally. 886 00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,400 Speaker 2: I was raised to think that the two most important 887 00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:04,280 Speaker 2: things you could do in your life were have a passionate, 888 00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,400 Speaker 2: generous relationship to your work and to raise children. And 889 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:09,080 Speaker 2: so you still feel that way, and I do still 890 00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:11,120 Speaker 2: feel that you want to have children big time. I'm 891 00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:13,400 Speaker 2: so excited. I don't want like to jolly pit the 892 00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,640 Speaker 2: whole situation, but like, like at least two and I 893 00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:20,239 Speaker 2: think all the time about it's funny exactly. I might 894 00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:24,120 Speaker 2: got Jenny Connor's daughter, Coco, who's eight and is my 895 00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:26,279 Speaker 2: dear friend. We like to go out to see live 896 00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,160 Speaker 2: music together. Coco one day was like, when do you 897 00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:30,960 Speaker 2: think you're going to have children? Just roughly, and I 898 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:32,279 Speaker 2: was like, I don't know, Coco, Like, you know, I'm 899 00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:33,840 Speaker 2: twenty six, so I'd like to wait till I'm like 900 00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,080 Speaker 2: at least thirty. And she was like, at that point, 901 00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:38,960 Speaker 2: I think you should not be working on girls. And 902 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:40,480 Speaker 2: if you are working on girls, you're going to have 903 00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:42,560 Speaker 2: to cut your hours down to like eight thirty to 904 00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:44,439 Speaker 2: six because you need to be able to be there 905 00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:46,319 Speaker 2: when they wake up, and you also need to be 906 00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,760 Speaker 2: there with them at nice issue. Yeah, and she, basically 907 00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:50,560 Speaker 2: an eight year old, started to school me in the 908 00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:52,600 Speaker 2: way that my lifestyle would not allow for children. She 909 00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:54,800 Speaker 2: was like, you know your boy My boyfriend's a musician 910 00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:56,319 Speaker 2: and he tours a lot. And she was like and 911 00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,319 Speaker 2: she was like, he might have to quit his job. 912 00:38:58,360 --> 00:38:59,320 Speaker 2: And I was like, I don't think he's going to 913 00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,200 Speaker 2: quit his job. Well, that might be hard for you too. 914 00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:03,200 Speaker 2: You might have to really talk about it. And even 915 00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:04,920 Speaker 2: just now, I just adopted a dog and I was 916 00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:09,000 Speaker 2: really really it was like instead of just meeting a dog, 917 00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:10,719 Speaker 2: thinking it was adorable and bringing it home. It was 918 00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,000 Speaker 2: this tortured thing of like, am I gonna be able 919 00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:14,920 Speaker 2: to give it what it needs? And what if it 920 00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,399 Speaker 2: resents me? And at a certain point my mom, who 921 00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,080 Speaker 2: is really ready to play dog grandma and is playing 922 00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:21,640 Speaker 2: to spend a lot of time with the dog, was 923 00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,440 Speaker 2: like she was like, Lena, it's a fucking dog. She 924 00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:26,759 Speaker 2: was like, it's at a certain point she was like, 925 00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,520 Speaker 2: I get it. I'm glad you're thinking it through, but like, 926 00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,600 Speaker 2: this is not like adopting twins now. 927 00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:34,600 Speaker 1: Two things that I think are kind of connected, which 928 00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:37,280 Speaker 1: is how do men present themselves? You have a boyfriend, 929 00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,239 Speaker 1: and I don't want to prior to your personal life, 930 00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:42,640 Speaker 1: but you how do men present themselves too differently? You 931 00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,680 Speaker 1: said that Hannah was this and that and a chubby 932 00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:49,200 Speaker 1: girl who did and now you're now the name Lena 933 00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:52,200 Speaker 1: Dunham means something else to people. How do men present 934 00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:54,080 Speaker 1: themselves to you now different from the way they used to? 935 00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,520 Speaker 2: It's interesting. I mean, I'm so bad at knowing if 936 00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:58,480 Speaker 2: anybody's hitting on me, Like someone literally has to like 937 00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:00,360 Speaker 2: beat me on the head with a drumstick and me 938 00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:02,480 Speaker 2: back to their cave for me to understand that it's 939 00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,520 Speaker 2: going on, and then I would, and then they then, 940 00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:07,800 Speaker 2: and then I didn't hire Gloria Alred as my attorney. 941 00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:12,600 Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. But you know, the thing is is that 942 00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,680 Speaker 2: sleazy people are attracted to and sleazy people and not 943 00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:21,560 Speaker 2: sleazy people are attracted to any sense of GRAVI toss 944 00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:25,799 Speaker 2: that someone might have. So so I definitely have had more. 945 00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:29,480 Speaker 2: I mean, I definitely have had felt less ignored by 946 00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,520 Speaker 2: the opposite sex. But I'm also so bad at perceiving 947 00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,920 Speaker 2: any of it. And so did you know your boyfriend 948 00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,080 Speaker 2: liked to Well, we got set up on a blind date, 949 00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:38,600 Speaker 2: so I knew he liked well. I didn't know he 950 00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,239 Speaker 2: liked me, but he was predisposed. He was predisposed to 951 00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:43,040 Speaker 2: like me because what we were going on was a date. 952 00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:45,440 Speaker 2: And then that was a special situation because I went, oh, 953 00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:46,680 Speaker 2: I think he likes me, and I like him, And. 954 00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:49,040 Speaker 1: Tell me if you don't want answer this question, but 955 00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:50,600 Speaker 1: I just find it charming. Where did you go on 956 00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:51,680 Speaker 1: your first date with your boyfriend? 957 00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,080 Speaker 2: We went to Blue Ribbon Bakery in the West Village. 958 00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:55,919 Speaker 2: And the reason I was happy is because I find 959 00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:59,000 Speaker 2: picking a restaurant so anxiety producing, because I feel like. 960 00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, because the lemma a burdens ass. It really is. 961 00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:06,759 Speaker 2: And also, what if I choose the wrong restaurant and 962 00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:08,520 Speaker 2: you have a bad association with it or you think 963 00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:09,680 Speaker 2: I'm pretty much. 964 00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:10,279 Speaker 1: Poorly on me? 965 00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:12,680 Speaker 2: Exactly, it's just the worst. And like what if we 966 00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:16,160 Speaker 2: go there and you don't like a brand muffin? Exactly, 967 00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:18,840 Speaker 2: it's stressful. So he said, before I even had to 968 00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:20,560 Speaker 2: say anything, he said, if it's stressful for you, I 969 00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:24,160 Speaker 2: can pick the restaurant. And I felt like, okay, I'm 970 00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:24,960 Speaker 2: going to be in great hands. 971 00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:25,640 Speaker 1: Where did you pick? 972 00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:27,000 Speaker 2: And then you picked Blue room Maker? And then I 973 00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:28,640 Speaker 2: ate a cheese and then I ordered a hamburger and 974 00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:30,759 Speaker 2: he said, I think you should get cheese on it. 975 00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:31,480 Speaker 2: It's not nice. 976 00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:33,759 Speaker 1: And you went, oh my god, I'm home. 977 00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:35,040 Speaker 2: Yeah that's easy. 978 00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,080 Speaker 3: I was so glad you like, did my mom call 979 00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:39,799 Speaker 3: you for this date? 980 00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:45,080 Speaker 1: And let you know, cheese? I like Yarlsburg exactly, somebody 981 00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:49,560 Speaker 1: suggesting burger and then and then and now you've been 982 00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:50,800 Speaker 1: dating it for a while, yeah. 983 00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:55,040 Speaker 2: Like almost a year. It's been. He's a very very 984 00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:56,040 Speaker 2: great person. 985 00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:59,600 Speaker 1: To meet you and tell me if I'm onto something here. 986 00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,399 Speaker 1: You seem like someone that regardless of what you look 987 00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:04,560 Speaker 1: like or didn't look like, or what you had or 988 00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:07,640 Speaker 1: didn't have. Whoever you were, you have a very very 989 00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,439 Speaker 1: healthy and kind of guileless sense of who you are 990 00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:12,719 Speaker 1: and you present it yourself to people your entire life, 991 00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:14,520 Speaker 1: going this is who I am, and if you like me, great, 992 00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:18,000 Speaker 1: and if you don't, there's another six point five billion 993 00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,000 Speaker 1: people out there to go for it. Am I right? 994 00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:22,560 Speaker 2: I mean that's the most stress to me. That's the 995 00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:24,640 Speaker 2: most lovely way of putting it. I mean, I think 996 00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,200 Speaker 2: I think I always had a feeling like if you 997 00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,320 Speaker 2: just stick around and continue to be yourself, the correct 998 00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:31,120 Speaker 2: people will find you. And that's something that's been so 999 00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,880 Speaker 2: wonderful about the show is that it kind of confirmed 1000 00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:36,200 Speaker 2: that for me, which is not everyone watches it, but 1001 00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:38,320 Speaker 2: the people who watch it understand it. And that feeling 1002 00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:40,120 Speaker 2: I'm sure you've had this before of uniting with your 1003 00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:42,440 Speaker 2: appropriate audience and sort of uniting with your people is 1004 00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:44,680 Speaker 2: like about as comforting as feelings get. 1005 00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,719 Speaker 1: You too, can unite comfortably with Lena Dunham over the 1006 00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:57,760 Speaker 1: unique discomfort of being a woman in your twenties. Today. 1007 00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:02,320 Speaker 1: Girls is on Sunday nights on HBO. I'm ac Baldwin, 1008 00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:05,200 Speaker 1: here's the thing. 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