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Speaker 1: Doug Gottlieb Show by Sports Radio. Are you doing? Welcome

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Speaker 1: in Hope. You having a great day. That's it feels

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Speaker 1: like a smattering of applause. My goodness, thought we did?

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Speaker 1: There we go, There we go. I didn't. Band's been

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Speaker 1: filling in for other shows. Jay stew has been pouting

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Speaker 1: because the Dodgers are losing, so we haven't had the

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Speaker 1: full crew together. And you know, I don't usually like

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Speaker 1: mean Jason Stewart does, because he's the one who keeps

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Speaker 1: us on topic, on task, is looking forward. You know.

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Speaker 1: It's like, you know, you go too far behind in

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Speaker 1: the past. It's like, what are we what are we

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Speaker 1: doing here? Right? But but I do think yesterday and

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Speaker 1: now we're like twenty four hours into this into our

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Speaker 1: reaction to the death of Hulk Hogan that it's still

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Speaker 1: worthy of discussion because we haven't been together. That's the

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Speaker 1: big that we haven't been together. So I look, there

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Speaker 1: have been people that are critical of my comments. There

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Speaker 1: are people that are critical of others who have gone

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Speaker 1: completely the other way and act like you know, some uh,

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Speaker 1: some incredible icon has passed away, right, And look, my

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Speaker 1: thing is, I've never really been a wrestling guy. And

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Speaker 1: once I heard the tape that what Hulk Hogan, I

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Speaker 1: don't even know his real name whatever, Terry Terry with

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Speaker 1: bomb with a hard R. Several times admit to be like,

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Speaker 1: I'm just that doesn't exist in my world. Those aren't

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Speaker 1: people that I will ever associate with or think of

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Speaker 1: an unfriendly terms. Sorry, And I'm sure there are people

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Speaker 1: Once I hear it, I'm like, I'm good here. So no,

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Speaker 1: I didn't spend time thinking about it. I'm not super bummed,

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Speaker 1: but it. On the other hand, I do under stand

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Speaker 1: the spectacle in the eighties and nineties that was Hulk Hogan.

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Speaker 1: But you know, there's lots of things we did in

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Speaker 1: Jay s dou, I thought you had great perspective when

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Speaker 1: we discussed this, right, because my thing has been I

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Speaker 1: think that people and this is I know we joked about, hey,

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Speaker 1: when Malcolm Jamal Warner died, you know, whoever dies next,

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Speaker 1: has been, right Ozzie him and Hulk Hogan. But I

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Speaker 1: the eighties come to kind of like real life, like

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Speaker 1: what we learned about Bill Cosby since oh yeah, by

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Speaker 1: And then Hulk Hogan went from kind of an American

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Speaker 1: But I thought that that people who kind of mourned yesterday,

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Speaker 2: And then I understand why there was such a massive

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Speaker 2: And we're gonna have this massive fan base of people

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Speaker 2: He's my hero, whole Hogan, the ultimate heel. He's iconic

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Speaker 2: do we know that Doug because of a lawsuit when

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Speaker 2: he sued that website for the sex tape. All this

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Speaker 2: these less than nice things about the guy. And if

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Speaker 1: I thought that the one of the parts that you

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Speaker 1: like that would be as if Gene Simmons could would

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Speaker 1: that are like method acting, you know, and I've heard

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Speaker 1: And not in pro wrestling, like Dwayne Johnson's been able

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Speaker 1: No one knows who Terry Pagoula Pagoula actually is Terry

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Speaker 1: b Terry Pagola owns the bills, right? Does he owned

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Speaker 1: the bills? I think he owns the bills? Dan, how

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Speaker 3: Well, I liked I liked wrestling and I liked hull

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Speaker 3: about yesterday. I don't disagree with some of the things

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Speaker 3: I think it's when you were a kid, or even now,

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Speaker 3: And so I felt with all of us as coming

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Speaker 1: That's what I thought yesterday was about. I I again

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Speaker 1: to be fully transparent. Okay, One, no, I never I

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Speaker 1: didn't like wrestling. I wasn't a wrestling guy. I did

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Speaker 1: it is no. It's like it was an insane argument

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Speaker 1: to have. By the way, it's a lot like some

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Speaker 1: that's part of it. And then I was also little brother.

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Speaker 1: Remember so the role of the little brother and I

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Speaker 1: So there's a reason that I have a bit of resistance.

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Speaker 1: And then again it's just like one of those I

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Speaker 1: I just ever never kind of got into the storylines

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Speaker 1: or whatever. But it is crazy that we created this

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Speaker 1: Remember they he'd get hit by a chair and they

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Speaker 6: lot of time, you know, to my fielding and working

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Speaker 6: on bunks and working on you know, bun down the

432
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Speaker 6: third baseline and switching the glove on and off. So

433
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Speaker 6: I spent a lot of time doing it right up

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Speaker 6: until you know, my last days in the major leagues.

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Speaker 6: And honestly, I you know, I was proud of my fielding.

436
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Speaker 6: I felt like I deserved, you know, I felt like

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Speaker 6: I had earned some recognition for fielding because of all

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Speaker 6: the hard work.

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Speaker 1: In eighty nine, he got called up to the big club,

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Speaker 1: right and you're playing for the California Angels at the

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Speaker 1: old Anaheim Stadium, which is a big, gigantic kind of

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Speaker 1: a model of What do you remember about your first

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Speaker 1: start in the bigs?

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Speaker 6: Not much, not much. It was such a blur. I

445
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Speaker 6: remember pitching against Mark Langston, who was one of the

446
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Speaker 6: best left handed pitchers in the major leagues at the

447
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Speaker 6: time and now a great friend of mine. We became

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Speaker 6: teammates later, but you know, I was drafted by the

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Speaker 6: Angels in nineteen eighty eight and I quit and played

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Speaker 6: in the Olympics. So I spent the entire summer playing

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Speaker 6: in the Olympics the previous year and we won we

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Speaker 6: want to go medal. I didn't play professional that season,

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Speaker 6: and then I went to spring training in eighty nine

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Speaker 6: and I made the team. I made the club out

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Speaker 6: of the out of spring training.

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Speaker 1: And how they tell you, by the way, how they

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Speaker 1: tell you, how did you find out you made the club?

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Speaker 6: They were my pitching coach, Marcel Latchman, who was a

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Speaker 6: great mentor and a hero to me to this day.

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Speaker 6: We were at the Gene Autry Hotel in Palm Springs.

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Speaker 6: Back then, the Angels spent part of spring training in

462
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Speaker 6: Palm spring and we were just about ready to break camp.

463
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Speaker 6: I thought I was heading from Midland, Texas to Double A,

464
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Speaker 6: and he pulled me aside and said, hey, we're gonna

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Speaker 6: You're coming with us. You're coming with the big club

466
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Speaker 6: back to Anaheim, and you're going to be our starter. So,

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Speaker 6: you know, pretty exciting. So that's why I don't remember

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Speaker 6: much of that first game, because things were just moving

469
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Speaker 6: so fast and I was, you know, I was just

470
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Speaker 6: trying to adjust, trying to recalibrate the idea of going

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Speaker 6: from amateur baseball to professional baseball.

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Speaker 1: When did you feel like I can do this? You know,

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Speaker 1: because your your whole life. You know, it's very understandable, reasonable,

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Speaker 1: But people just looked at you and said, there's no way.

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Speaker 1: Like he doesn't. There's just no way. When did you

476
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Speaker 1: feel like I can do this?

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Speaker 5: You know?

478
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Speaker 6: I felt like playing on the in the USA team.

479
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Speaker 6: I played two summers with the USA team, one in

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Speaker 6: the PanAm Games and the second following year. After my

481
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Speaker 6: junior year in college, I played in the Olympic team.

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Speaker 6: And I was playing with guys, you know, Robin Ventura,

483
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Speaker 6: Tino Martinez, Ben McDonald, Charlie. You know, we were playing.

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Speaker 6: I was playing.

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Speaker 1: Mark McGuire was on that team, right, wasn't he?

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Speaker 6: No, McGuire was nineteen eighty four. I was nineteen eighty eight.

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, Soul Korea. That's right, eighty He was on

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Speaker 1: the eighty four team that never played was eight No

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Speaker 1: eighty eighteen? Wait, didn't you get which was the year

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Speaker 1: that they didn't go? Uys, we didn't go. I guess

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Speaker 1: eighty we didn't go. Eighty we didn't go.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's right, that's right. Yeah. And then so you

493
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Speaker 6: know I was playing we were playing the Cuban team,

494
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Speaker 6: you know who were you know, in their late twenties thirties,

495
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Speaker 6: you know, hitting with Eastern bats and going up in

496
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Speaker 6: incredible competition. And I beg you know, I was a

497
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Speaker 6: big part of the rotation on that team. And so

498
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Speaker 6: it was playing with those first round draft picks. It

499
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Speaker 6: was playing with those guys and holding my own that

500
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Speaker 6: I finally started to believe that maybe I could play

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Speaker 6: professionally and you know, and kind of fit in with

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Speaker 6: that potential.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so your first win, just so you know, was

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Speaker 1: against the Orioles. This is your third start, right, right,

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Speaker 1: and it was it was at the Big A. And

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Speaker 1: here's the big thing. I don't know if you know

507
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Speaker 1: this game duration two hours and thirty nine minutes. It

508
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Speaker 1: wasn't just that you were awesome and that you you

509
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Speaker 1: had this amazing ability to field and ultimately threw a

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Speaker 1: no hitter in ninety three. It was that you were

511
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Speaker 1: You weren't wiping the sweat, taking a trip around the mountain.

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Speaker 1: You're just in there doing your job and getting the

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Speaker 1: heck out. I mean, two hours and thirty nine minutes.

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Speaker 1: That's the end, even of teams. Now with the pitch clock, it.

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Speaker 6: Was different back then. You know, it was you know,

516
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Speaker 6: you moved fast, you got the ball, you got it

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Speaker 6: out of your hand, and you get up and you

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Speaker 6: did it again. And I'm a big fan of the

519
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Speaker 6: pitch clock. I think it pulled the game back in

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Speaker 6: that direction. It's so much easier to watch when the

521
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Speaker 6: game moves quickly.

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Speaker 1: The no hitter, you know, it's it's interesting when I

523
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Speaker 1: was watching the documentary right, and the no hitter is

524
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Speaker 1: like the culminating moment. I guess for so many people.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you feel that way for you.

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Speaker 1: For me, it was more just your rookie year and

527
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Speaker 1: watching you and you kind of took over the league

528
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Speaker 1: and everybody was paying attention. But the no hitter is

529
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Speaker 1: interesting because I'm trying to figure out what you were thinking, because, uh,

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Speaker 1: have you ever seen the movie Let's Sake, Kevin Costner

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Speaker 1: Baseball not Bull Durham, the Yeah, for Love of the Game, right,

532
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Speaker 1: where he's got all this other stuff on in his

533
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Speaker 1: life and then for that three out, he's having all

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Speaker 1: these flashbacks. Do you remember what was going on in

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Speaker 1: your in your brain any stadium that day.

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Speaker 6: You know, that is one of my favorite baseball movies

537
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 6: and in the book by Michael Shara was also terrific

538
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 6: because it captured the stops and starts of a game.

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Speaker 6: You know, it's I mean, it's pitching. Is you're out there,

540
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Speaker 6: You're in this rush, You're in this moment, you're pitching,

541
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Speaker 6: you're strategizing, you're throwing, and then then you have everything

542
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 6: stops and you come in and you sit in the

543
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Speaker 6: dugout and the you know, what goes through your mind

544
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 6: can have everything to do with the game and it

545
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Speaker 6: can have nothing to do with the game. And that

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Speaker 6: movie captured that perfectly, you know, just sitting there and

547
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Speaker 6: that no hitter, you know how it goes your teammates

548
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 6: quit talking to you. That adds a different dynamic that

549
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Speaker 6: you know, the mood in the stadium changes, you know,

550
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Speaker 6: so your mind is just kind of running in all

551
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Speaker 6: these different directions. And I remember you're very observant those

552
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Speaker 6: times in between the innings as much as I remember

553
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Speaker 6: being out on the mound that day. Excitement.

554
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Speaker 1: You know, how do you want people to describe your career?

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Speaker 6: That's a good question, you know, I you know, the documentary,

556
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Speaker 6: and I appreciate you bringing it up. Obviously, I was

557
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Speaker 6: born missing my right hand, and for a long time, Doug,

558
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Speaker 6: I fought against that and I didn't want the label,

559
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Speaker 6: you know. I didn't want the first perception of me

560
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Speaker 6: to be what people thought of me or what I

561
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Speaker 6: could do. But I think the documentary in some ways

562
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Speaker 6: captures the journey of coming to terms with my hand,

563
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Speaker 6: you know, because I met so many kids, so many

564
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Speaker 6: families like me, similar to me, like my parents, and

565
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Speaker 6: there was a time when I didn't want to be

566
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Speaker 6: known for that. But I had to embrace that, you know,

567
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Speaker 6: I had to come. I had to say, yes, this

568
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Speaker 6: is who I am, and I wouldn't have done the

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Speaker 6: things that I did had I been born differently. I

570
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Speaker 6: believe that deeply, and so now for me, I want

571
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Speaker 6: to I don't mind being remembered for having done things differently.

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Speaker 6: You know. I know it's who I am, and I

573
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Speaker 6: know it pushed me in ways I never would have

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Speaker 6: been pushed before, and later in life. I'm proud of it,

575
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Speaker 6: and I'm not you know, I don't shy away from

576
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Speaker 6: a label that I once wasn't, you know, didn't always embrace.

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Speaker 1: Well, I can only tell you this as a young

578
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Speaker 1: athlete that was born with all my working limbs, it

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Speaker 1: was still inspirational for me. Like I think, I'm sure

580
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Speaker 1: anyone you met who needed a prosthesis, you know, you

581
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 1: were inspirational. But for anybody else, you're like, hey, if

582
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 1: Jim Abbott can overcome what he was born with, you

583
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 1: condemn right. So it's amazing that. I'm sure so many

584
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 1: people think, wait, such an inspiration is so many? No, No,

585
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 1: you were actually inspiration to all young athletes, especially in

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Speaker 1: southern California. And I think also part of it was

587
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Speaker 1: you never talked about it. It wasn't You did kind of

588
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Speaker 1: shy away from it, and so it made it like

589
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Speaker 1: it it's not even part of his thought process. He didn't.

590
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 1: He didn't think this is anything special. So yeah, we

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00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:32,719
Speaker 1: should be able to achieve way more considering what we

592
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Speaker 1: were born with. Does that make sense?

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Speaker 6: Yeah? I believe that, you know, you know, it cracks

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Speaker 6: me up as I meet people, and I have met

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Speaker 6: people along the way, kids boys, and they'll say hey,

596
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 6: you know, and they have two hands, you know, and

597
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 6: they play baseball and arm away, and I hear all

598
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Speaker 6: the times say, we used to be on the street.

599
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Speaker 6: We would switch the glove on and off.

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Speaker 1: Sure everybody, And.

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Speaker 6: I say, well, why do you do that? It's probably harder,

602
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 6: but who knows. You know, it's the way I was born.

603
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 6: It's all I ever knew, and so you know, I

604
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 6: do think it's a testament to making the most and listen,

605
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Speaker 6: a lot of people have it a lot worse than me.

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Speaker 6: I know that it's up to us to make the

607
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Speaker 6: most of what we've been given. And it doesn't matter

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Speaker 6: if you're the most talented person on a team or

609
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Speaker 6: the least. You know that the effort is the measurement.

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Speaker 1: Could agree with you more well, I just I just

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Speaker 1: want to tell you an inspiration to me and I

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Speaker 1: love watch watching the documentary and as soon as it

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Speaker 1: came out, I talked to Jason and I said, Jason,

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Speaker 1: can we have Jim Abbatta? And he's like why. I

615
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 1: was like, why not, and he's like, that's a very

616
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Speaker 1: good point. It's a very very good point. I encourage

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Speaker 1: people to watch it and to fall in love with

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Speaker 1: your story and Jim, it's just an honor to catch

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Speaker 1: up with you. Thank you so much for your time.

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Speaker 6: Thank dog, Take care man.

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Speaker 1: I Got Leap Show podcast wherever you download podcast. Jim

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Speaker 1: Abbott played eleven years of the Biggs Angel Yankee through

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Speaker 1: No Hitter with the Yankees. Of course, he's the subject

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Speaker 1: of the new documentary South Pod. It's pretty good. Check

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Speaker 1: it out on Disney Plus and on Amazon. Got to

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Speaker 1: talk about Hall of Fame Kansas Hall of Fame head

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Speaker 1: coach Bill self getting a medical scare yesterday, and I

635
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Speaker 1: want to play for you something Nick Saban said about

636
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Speaker 1: rumors of his return to coaching. We'll do that in

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Speaker 1: a second though. But it's really interesting. You know yesterday

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Speaker 1: I got text from people and we talked about this

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Speaker 1: a little bit on the show yesterday about the presidential

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Speaker 1: what is it? The Executive Order, the Executive Order on

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Speaker 1: College Sports. And here's what's I mean, Look, politicians, grandstand.

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Speaker 1: I think what's really interesting is that our President came

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Speaker 1: in as the anti politician politician, but everything he does

644
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 1: is like an expert politician, only only it's so obvious

645
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: and so transparent, that kind of mafia type of hey,

646
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:31,479
Speaker 1: pay up or else type of thing that whereas other

647
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 1: politicians are a little bit more artful and you only

648
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 1: find out about the ties and connective tissues kind of

649
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 1: after the fact. But President Trump's signed an executive order

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Speaker 1: to protect student athletes and collegiate athletic scholarships and opportunities,

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Speaker 1: including Olympic and non revenue generating programs, and the unique

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Speaker 1: American institution of college sports. The order, and this is

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Speaker 1: from white House dot gov. The order requires the preservation

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Speaker 1: of where possible expansion of opportunities of scholarship, collegiate athletic

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Speaker 1: competition in women's and non revenue sports. Okay, it's kind

656
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Speaker 1: of contradictory, I understand, but well, that one was placed first.

657
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Speaker 1: I do think it's really really interesting that this is

658
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Speaker 1: a White House that has run on the hey, no DEI,

659
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 1: no woke, no whatever, and yet the first part of

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00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 1: the order is to protect non scholarship, non scholarship, non

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Speaker 1: revenue generating and women's sports specifically, which by the way,

662
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 1: are going to be destroyed because of the new rules

663
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:41,399
Speaker 1: or the new revenue sharing or use of nil. Just reality.

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Speaker 1: The order prohibits third party pay for play payments to

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Speaker 1: college athletes. This does not apply to legitimate fair market

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Speaker 1: compensation that third party provides to an athlete, such as

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Speaker 1: brand endorsement. So what are you talking about. Oh, it

668
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:58,760
Speaker 1: has oversight into what is and what is not fair

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Speaker 1: market legitimate. Now, not sure how many people know this,

670
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 1: but I've said this before. The NCAA does a lot

671
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 1: of stuff. Everybody criticizes any of the dumb stuff they do.

672
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 1: They try and do some smart stuff. They already have

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Speaker 1: this I believe it's called NCAA go And anytime you

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Speaker 1: get compensated from a third party over six hundred dollars,

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Speaker 1: they have to investigate and clear it. The order provides

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Speaker 1: that any revenue sharing permitted between universities and collegian athletes

677
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Speaker 1: should be implemented in a manner that protects women's and

678
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Speaker 1: non revenue generating sports. How again, this is just simply ay,

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00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 1: what about Title nine? We don't know. The order directs

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Speaker 1: Secretary Labor and National Labor's Board to clarify the status

681
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 1: of student athletes in order to preserve non revenue generating

682
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Speaker 1: sports and irreplaceable educational development opportunities. It goes on to

683
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 1: some other things, but basically it's the hey, uh, are

684
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Speaker 1: you guys watching how much they're paying these kids and

685
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Speaker 1: what do we do to save women's sports and non

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Speaker 1: revenue generating sports, And the answer is very little. The

687
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 1: answer is in this quest by so many, including a

688
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 1: lot of Republicans and a lot of Democrats. Okay, to

689
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Speaker 1: free them from free them from the oppression of the NCAA.

690
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Speaker 1: That's what people use. You're just Robin Peter to pay Paul.

691
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 1: So you're doing that's what you're doing. So there is

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Speaker 1: only so I don't know how much you guys saw this,

693
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Speaker 1: but Iowa State estimates that over the next five years

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Speaker 1: they'll be I think it's over two hundred million dollars

695
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 1: in debt. So they're not doing construction on a new

696
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Speaker 1: wrestling wrestling room and stopping construction on Hilton Coliseum, which

697
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:55,760
Speaker 1: is a palace that needs a refresh for their basketball program.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, those are two programs. Wrestling probably

699
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Speaker 1: makes a little bit of money, basketball makes them good

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Speaker 1: amount of money. Football obviously makes them the most money.

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Speaker 1: Those are revenue generating sports in the state of Iowa,

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Speaker 1: and they're not doing any facilities upgrades because they're going

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Speaker 1: to be operating a whole And that's not even talking

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Speaker 1: about women's sports. Just so we're aware, Okay, when the

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Speaker 1: president gives an executive order, it doesn't actually mean anything.

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Speaker 1: It is grand standing. The funny part about it is

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Speaker 1: it's grand standing for things that protections that already exist.

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Speaker 1: And a problem that I don't know how you solve,

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Speaker 1: which is how do you funnel any of your revenue

710
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Speaker 1: and pay twenty up to twenty two million of it

711
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Speaker 1: and that's at the highest level, twenty two million of

712
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Speaker 1: it to your athletes and still have women's sports on scholarship.

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Speaker 1: They're just going to get phased out unless they can

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Speaker 1: raise their own be self sustaining and raise their own money.

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Speaker 1: And look, i'm parent of my daughter is in a

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Speaker 1: non revenue generating sport that is really expensive and they

717
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Speaker 1: have fifty girls, and they did expand the scholarships. All

718
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Speaker 1: the new rules do is you can have up to

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Speaker 1: fifty scholarships for a question probably can't afford it. Can't

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Speaker 1: afford it. Byer, when you saw the executive order. Did

721
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Speaker 1: you think there was anything different or profound about it?

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Speaker 3: I didn't look into it, Doug. I'm gonna be completely honest. Yeah,

723
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Speaker 3: I saw Ross Dellinger tweet about it, looked a little

724
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Speaker 3: into it, but I didn't pay much mind, so I

725
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Speaker 3: would be of no help in this discussion.

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Speaker 1: Jay Stu, when you and I discussed it today, you

727
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Speaker 1: thought it was something. But finally somebody said something, Finally

728
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Speaker 1: something that did someone. I was like, yeah, actually, it's

729
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:46,959
Speaker 1: kind of already been said, already been done. I guess

730
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Speaker 1: it brings attention to it, but it doesn't actually do

731
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Speaker 1: anything to it.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I honestly didn't even know if this executive

734
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Speaker 2: order was anything different than what's already going on. But

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Speaker 2: I will make this point in my trigger. Some people,

736
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Speaker 2: you guys are probably gonna think, oh, he's just some

737
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 2: magi guy. Nope, he says nothing political. This is fact.

738
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Speaker 2: Executive orders, by and large, by presidents are kind of

739
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Speaker 2: worth what they're printed on, and they are grand standing

740
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Speaker 2: and they are just you know, strong messaging from the

741
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Speaker 2: White House hoping everybody will fall in line. But there

742
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 2: is a process to things. But Trump's different, right, and

743
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 2: the proof's in the pudding with it. With with my example,

744
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 2: zero border crossings, zero border crossings since he took over

745
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Speaker 2: all by executive order. No legislation has been passed since

746
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Speaker 2: he's been in office, and they have completely stopped the

747
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Speaker 2: spigot at the border. So I would say in general,

748
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Speaker 2: executive orders are kind of frivolous and grand standing, but

749
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Speaker 2: there's something about this presidency where people are falling in

750
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Speaker 2: line and adhering to these orders.

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Speaker 1: Uh, there aren't zero border crossings. There's a substantial decrease,

752
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Speaker 1: but there's not zero ber crossings, just so we're aware.

753
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean they unleashed ice on people, so

754
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,879
Speaker 1: there's gonna be less. There's gonna be there's obviously gonna

755
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 1: be less, and they they've done a better job of

756
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Speaker 1: beefing up border security. So I kind of think you're

757
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:26,720
Speaker 1: connecting things that aren't really connected because it's the ice

758
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,839
Speaker 1: is not based upon the executive order. There's been He's

759
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 1: had a million executive orders that nothing has happened about nothing.

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Speaker 1: Now he ran on immigration reform, and I don't want

761
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 1: to make this a political show, but I again, I

762
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Speaker 1: just in an effort to be as knowledgeable as possible.

763
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Speaker 1: There's not zero border crossings. There's far fewer.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would I would hate for anybody to detect me. Literally,

765
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Speaker 2: I know that there's not zero. That's an exaggeration to

766
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Speaker 2: make a point significantly less or even how about this

767
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 2: a very small percentage of what was being allowed in

768
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Speaker 2: the last four years.

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Speaker 1: Wasn't there a wasn't there a stat where actually Obama

770
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Speaker 1: deported more people than Trump and Trump's first administration. It

771
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:19,880
Speaker 1: was like crazy. But again, a lot of this is

772
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 1: about one side celebrates their successes, the other side seems

773
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Speaker 1: to run from them. Just weird that way. But the

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Speaker 1: college sports thing, and I had a conversation with a

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Speaker 1: dad who's a good friend of mine. His son's a

776
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Speaker 1: super high level recruit and his son's going to make

777
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Speaker 1: a lot of money in his first year playing college sports.

778
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Speaker 1: And he was like, yeah, I hate this. All these

779
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 1: coaches hate this. He's like, don't you hate this? And

780
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Speaker 1: I said no, you know, it doesn't feel good when

781
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 1: you sign a kid and you give them an honest

782
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 1: outlook and you're like, hey, this is what I think.

783
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Speaker 1: I think. This is what YR one looks like the ceiling,

784
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 1: this is what your one looks like the floor. It

785
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:09,839
Speaker 1: probably lands somewhere in the middle. This is I think

786
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 1: what year two looks like. Whatever, Hey, coach, I'm never leaving.

787
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:17,359
Speaker 1: I had two guys who left last year. We're in it.

788
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Speaker 1: You can redshirt us, not play us, don't care. We're

789
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 1: in it for four or five years whatever. We just

790
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 1: want to grow. And they both like, I didn't like

791
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Speaker 1: this that I don't know my growth. Like I your

792
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 1: year ended up better than even I toold told you

793
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Speaker 1: could have been. And I bring it up because I

794
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 1: actually enjoyed. I like it. Some coaches really like it.

795
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Speaker 1: They'll never sit it on camera more because they like

796
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:47,319
Speaker 1: the refreshing and getting a good cycle of new guys

797
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 1: every year, new energy. Because at the end of almost

798
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Speaker 1: any of you you can only play five guys, only

799
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 1: have one basketball. There's gonna be some unhappy people. You

800
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 1: get rid of the unhappy ones. The problem is that

801
00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 1: a lot of times you get rid of the happy

802
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:00,359
Speaker 1: ones too, because they transfer up a lot. But when

803
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:04,879
Speaker 1: you're a level like ours and so many these old

804
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 1: coaches don't like it because it's not what they signed

805
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 1: up for. It's not what it used to be about.

806
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 1: It may be about the team at the start of

807
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 1: the year, but by the end of the year, everybody's

808
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:16,799
Speaker 1: looking for their own success stories so they can get

809
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 1: elevate themselves. And it's never about the school. It's never

810
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 1: about the team or very seldom is about the team

811
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:26,319
Speaker 1: or about the school, and it's often about them and

812
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 1: about how much money. And you have to deal with

813
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 1: agents and some don't like to do that. Now. For me,

814
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Speaker 1: I came in in this era, so I don't know

815
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Speaker 1: what it used to be like. I don't know from

816
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 1: a coach's side if it was way better. And the

817
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 1: common persumption is that's why guys like Nick Saban aren't

818
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 1: in the game anymore. This was Nick Saban. Okay, Nick Saban,

819
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Speaker 1: I love this line. He didn't he say that his

820
00:46:55,080 --> 00:47:00,120
Speaker 1: wife made him vacuum downstairs and he's like, Man, my

821
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:01,880
Speaker 1: job when I was head coach Alabama was a lot

822
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Speaker 1: of these years, so it was the first time I

823
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:07,319
Speaker 1: ever thought about coaching again. I do think most of

824
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 1: the old guard will get out of it because it

825
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 1: is a lot. You're managing budgets, you're managing salaries with players.

826
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Speaker 1: You still have coaches, right, you can't bump up coaches

827
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Speaker 1: in terms of what they want to make what they

828
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Speaker 1: feel like they're rightfully deserving of in compensation, you know,

829
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Speaker 1: fifteen twenty years in the business, because now you have

830
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 1: to compensate players who you don't really know what you're getting.

831
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Speaker 1: I'd be interested to see if Saban comes back, but

832
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 1: I don't think it comes back. Hey, yeah, I love

833
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:42,360
Speaker 1: it here, I just don't. I just don't. And the

834
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Speaker 1: Presidential Executive Order, it sounds great, but it's it's grand standing. Hey,

835
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Speaker 1: we really got to pay attention to these women's sports

836
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Speaker 1: and non revenue generating sports. Okay, we'll pay attention to them.

837
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Speaker 1: Do you have a way in which we can compensate

838
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 1: athletes be competitive at the top of this and and

839
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 1: have enough money left over to have scholarships and coaching

840
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 1: staff and travel and budget for those sports