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Speaker 4: Uh. Pretty cool, all three of us in the house
Speaker 4: to talk about a banger of an episode.
Speaker 5: OI.
Speaker 6: God, hey, everybody, wasn't it though? This was a heavy episode.
Speaker 3: This was heavy. I just want to say thank you
Speaker 3: to you both, and also to all of our listeners
Speaker 3: who've been just like reaching out and so kind while
Speaker 3: we are scrambling in LA this week, you know, trying
Speaker 3: to like support our people and figure out how to
Speaker 3: get things to our friends who've like literally lost everything.
Speaker 3: And also I'm like, wow, we had to come back
Speaker 3: in at eight oh three, Like I just cried through
Speaker 3: this whole episode. I was like, I am a runner,
Speaker 3: I'm so emotional and I sobbed, and I can't wait
Speaker 3: to talk to you guys about it and cry for
Speaker 3: the next hour. Everything's going to be great.
Speaker 6: We unpacked a lot in this episode and tied a
Speaker 6: lot of loose ends and opened up a lot of wounds.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I guess before we dive in, let's uh,
Speaker 4: let's everyone know what we watched. Season eight, episode three,
Speaker 4: The Space in Between, aired September twenty eighth, twenty ten.
Speaker 4: Synopsis reads as a situation at the hospital worsens, Nathan
Speaker 4: makes a huge decision regarding his career. Does he ever?
Speaker 4: Brooke and Julian take Jamie for the day, while Victoria
Speaker 4: and Millicent hatch a plan directed by Greg Prange. And
Speaker 4: it was written, Yes, this episode was written. Was so good.
Speaker 4: And I also I have some like I have some
Speaker 4: funny questions, but yes, but let's talk about it was
Speaker 4: a lot.
Speaker 6: I love the intro, the narrative intro that we've you know,
Speaker 6: we brought in season one heavy and it kind of
Speaker 6: dissipated over the years. I was so happy to see
Speaker 6: that return me too.
Speaker 3: And it felt really nice to watch it, particularly through
Speaker 3: your eyes, like all the things Haley's been processing, to
Speaker 3: see this great kind of self care practice, to watch
Speaker 3: you journaling and you know, feeling your feelings in this
Speaker 3: really healthy way and bringing back that season one nostalgia.
Speaker 3: At the same time, I was like, Oh, this feels
Speaker 3: like a really nice moment to be it.
Speaker 4: It's a clever device for emotional exposition. It's the type
Speaker 4: of exposition I don't mind at all because it's allowing
Speaker 4: us a peek inside Haley's head in a very organic,
Speaker 4: believable way.
Speaker 6: Yeah, because it's just when they try and write that
Speaker 6: stuff into dialogue usually feels pretty canned. So it's nice.
Speaker 6: It's nice when it feels organic, you know. I like that.
Speaker 6: And it wasn't just from Haley too. We got Mouth
Speaker 6: doing his narration throughout as he was talking about the
Speaker 6: different sports movies, and that felt really good and it
Speaker 6: was seamless, it didn't feel forced at all.
Speaker 3: And it was really cool too that Mouth's podcast feels again,
Speaker 3: so nostalgic for early high school days of him, you know,
Speaker 3: commentating and calling games. And it's this really beautiful mirror
Speaker 3: this story that he's telling, mirroring what's happening to Clay
Speaker 3: and Quinn, and it sort of reminds you that even
Speaker 3: though this is such a specific experience our characters are
Speaker 3: going through, that it's sort of a tale as old
Speaker 3: as time, right, Like someone is on the razor's edge
Speaker 3: of will they live or will they die? And everyone
Speaker 3: in their own way can understand that kind in a pain.
Speaker 3: And I don't know the whole thing. I loved hearing
Speaker 3: the narration, whether it was your journaling or his storytelling.
Speaker 4: Also, kudos to Mouth for being way ahead of the
Speaker 4: podcast curve. Yeah, I was so surprised. I watched that
Speaker 4: went okay cool as a podcast, and I thought, wait,
Speaker 4: this was great fifteen years ago. He was way ahead
Speaker 4: of his times because.
Speaker 6: Millie's reactions like, oh, you have a podcast now, Yeah,
Speaker 6: that's right, I do.
Speaker 4: I sure do. Did fall Out Boy seeing us sing
Speaker 4: this episode's theme song, Oh, I was wondering.
Speaker 6: Who it was that might be it.
Speaker 3: I was too.
Speaker 4: I thought because we have a relationship or the show
Speaker 4: had a relationship with Pete, maybe that was the case. Wait, yes, yes,
Speaker 4: this is the answer from.
Speaker 3: The booth Patrick Stump, So says our producer.
Speaker 6: A lot of shows at this time were doing this
Speaker 6: this uh, covering their or what do you call it?
Speaker 6: Theme song? Covering their theme songs? Yeah, with other bands.
Speaker 6: And I don't know if it was a trend or
Speaker 6: if it was a licensing thing like they just wanted
Speaker 6: to save money on not having to pay Gavin on
Speaker 6: the licensing of the original recording, and so they bring
Speaker 6: in cover bands so it's like a fraction of the price.
Speaker 6: I'm sure that was appealing, but it was also kind
Speaker 6: of a trend.
Speaker 3: We'll never know, never know, I will say, and this
Speaker 3: is not a knock on them at all, but because
Speaker 3: the episode is so emotional, and then and then we
Speaker 3: hit the like Fallout by punk rock cover, I was like,
Speaker 3: what's happening? This feels wrong.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I thought Michelle Featherstone did one coming up too that
Speaker 6: it was much more like piano balladi could we not
Speaker 6: swept flip fuffed?
Speaker 3: I was like, maybe we should have saved this for
Speaker 3: a fun episode. And I had like a power ballad
Speaker 3: in this moment when we're listening to Haley's innermost emotional thoughts. No,
Speaker 3: it felt like a really sort of disassociative choice.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and if you're gonna make this all out boys episode,
Speaker 4: put it at the very beginning of the episode, don't
Speaker 4: bury it twelve minutes in.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was odd.
Speaker 3: It was a weird choice. I want to know what
Speaker 3: your funny questions are roun.
Speaker 6: Okay, I bet one of them is the same.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna say this. This episode for me nailed everything
Speaker 4: in the human realm. It raised a lot of questions
Speaker 4: for me in the ghost limbo world.
Speaker 3: Okay, like, first of all.
Speaker 4: Why is he eating pudding? And how is he eating pudding?
Speaker 4: Clay's friend? Right, I have his name written down here,
Speaker 4: so Will thank you. It's this odd thing right well,
Speaker 4: because first of all, we've done the ghosting with Katie,
Speaker 4: with Amanda Schul and Keith and Keith, and the whole
Speaker 4: kind of rule is like you can't touch people, they
Speaker 4: can't hear you. You can have your own business. But
Speaker 4: like Amanda was doing her nails one time, so she
Speaker 4: was painting her nails, So maybe ghosts have access to cosmetics.
Speaker 4: Who knows little things bobs and bits, but it was
Speaker 4: so weird. First of all, the first interaction between Will
Speaker 4: and Clay is odd that it's they start to talk,
Speaker 4: but within like four lines, Will is talking about how
Speaker 4: hot Quinn is. Yeah, it just gets real, like it
Speaker 4: gets real Broie very fast. And then Clay is kind
Speaker 4: of like rolling with it and they're riffing and then
Speaker 4: Clay's like, oh, can you feel it if I hit you?
Speaker 4: And he like, I like gently hit him on the arm,
Speaker 4: and I'm just thinking, like, if you're in limbo, yeah,
Speaker 4: and you've never met this person. It just felt really
Speaker 4: familiar in light given the gravity of the situation.
Speaker 6: First person he's mating.
Speaker 3: It's actually really interesting because I liked that it started light.
Speaker 3: My first note was that I really like seeing Clay
Speaker 3: in his element, even though he's between worlds, commenting on
Speaker 3: the haircuts, warning the guy about the will like it.
Speaker 3: It felt really fun and upbeat, and what it did
Speaker 3: for me as a viewer was let me see that
Speaker 3: you were adjusting and that you were kind of in
Speaker 3: this space and that you'd figured out a little bit
Speaker 3: of a routine. And then the surprise that someone could
Speaker 3: hear you, that someone was there with you really registered
Speaker 3: for me, because without having to hear how many days
Speaker 3: you'd been unconscious, I could tell you'd been there a while.
Speaker 3: And then I mean side note, not you know, for
Speaker 3: our show, but also for our show. I was just
Speaker 3: so excited to see Edwin because he's like, you know,
Speaker 3: one of my dearest friends and now married to one
Speaker 3: of my best friends from us all going and doing
Speaker 3: good sam together. That's where he and sky met, and so.
Speaker 6: I just was like, oh my god, my angel, and
Speaker 6: he's a baby.
Speaker 3: Like it's so I don't know, it was just so
Speaker 3: sweet to see. And while I thought that the writing
Speaker 3: about him commenting on Quinn being hot was lame, like duh,
Speaker 3: look who wrote our show, Like Okay, we're not surprised,
Speaker 3: but I thought you guys did a really great job
Speaker 3: immediately when you had the weirdness of oh you can
Speaker 3: see me and hear me, and I can see you
Speaker 3: and hear you. What the hell like you did almost
Speaker 3: have I know you said it was browie, but it
Speaker 3: almost felt like childish to me in a sweet way,
Speaker 3: because it's completely bizarre and it's like you suddenly have
Speaker 3: an imaginary friend or something. I liked what you two
Speaker 3: brought to it, even though yeah, the writing could have
Speaker 3: been better in every measure in that opener, in that
Speaker 3: opener for you.
Speaker 6: I agree with you. So if I bought it, I
Speaker 6: thought that, I mean, if existentially, if you're if you
Speaker 6: actually woke up and found yourself in that place and
Speaker 6: you were lonely there for a long time, to the
Speaker 6: point where you were just starting to like settle in
Speaker 6: and talk trash to people that you're passing by in
Speaker 6: the hallway and like, well, I guess I'm gonna make
Speaker 6: the best of this. Suddenly there's another person. You're like, whoa,
Speaker 6: this is amazing. We kind have something to talk about,
Speaker 6: and the other person's like chill and cool.
Speaker 8: I don't know.
Speaker 6: I feel like you would be so stripped of your
Speaker 6: emotional propriety that we all behave so well in society
Speaker 6: and the way we go about and conversations follow a
Speaker 6: flow and you don't get that deep too fast, and
Speaker 6: I just think all that would probably go out the
Speaker 6: window here. And so for me him like commenting on Quinn,
Speaker 6: I mean, yes, conceptually gross, but like the essence of
Speaker 6: browness so quickly I totally bought it well.
Speaker 4: And I think also Edwin was great. We only had
Speaker 4: this together, but I had such a great time with him,
Speaker 4: So please tell him I say hello, because we did.
Speaker 4: We had fun. It was a really fun thing to
Speaker 4: do together. And I think you're right because there's also
Speaker 4: you know when you're just super lonely, like I remember.
Speaker 4: I think it was like during COVID at one point I
Speaker 4: hadn't talked to anyone but Jenny in ages, and I
Speaker 4: like went to the grocery store for the first time
Speaker 4: or something, and I remember I was so eager to
Speaker 4: interact with another human being that that poor cashier got
Speaker 4: a thousand questions from It's like, do you like gum?
Speaker 4: What have you been up to? How are you? Do
Speaker 4: you want to hear about what's going on with me?
Speaker 6: Fifteenth person that day who had done that too, by
Speaker 6: the way.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So to that end, I completely understand, Like Clayton's
Speaker 4: been like, great, let's be pals, but again, this isn't
Speaker 4: my These aren't my beast. My main one was I
Speaker 4: was just so confused. In a later scene, why Will
Speaker 4: is eating pudding? Yeah, he's in limber, right that that's okay.
Speaker 4: That would make sense if like when he's alive, if
Speaker 4: that's his favorite snack. Sure, But what was odd about
Speaker 4: it was it was in the direction he's eating it.
Speaker 4: I'm like, all right, whatever, it's activity for him. But
Speaker 4: then he sets it on the calendar. At the end
Speaker 4: of the scene, we exit frame and the camera stays
Speaker 4: on the pudding. So I was I'm like, like, checkof's gun, Like, okay,
Speaker 4: how is the pudding gonna be weaved into the storytelling?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 4: It's not no, we just didn't have a better shot.
Speaker 4: So here's your ghost pudding, limbo pudding.
Speaker 6: I think the intention might have been to land the
Speaker 6: camera on the nurse who does not notice the pudding
Speaker 6: being put in front of her, because it's ghost pudding,
Speaker 6: and it was like clarifying for the audience it's ghost pudding.
Speaker 6: Don't worry, We're still following our own rules. But I
Speaker 6: don't know that that was the most important thing in
Speaker 6: the scene. So probably we could have made a different choice.
Speaker 4: Could we name Could the title of this episode, this
Speaker 4: podcast episode be ghost pudding?
Speaker 3: I think it should be.
Speaker 4: I just feel like that's gonna draw in a lot
Speaker 4: of interest. That's gonna pique people's interest. They're gonna want
Speaker 4: to hear it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm on board with this, So okay, So these
Speaker 6: are your existential questions with the episode? Is that it?
Speaker 4: And by the end of it, I mean, I enjoyed
Speaker 4: the dynamic. It just caught me off guard, I think
Speaker 4: because I was I was so bought into what was
Speaker 4: happening in the real world. Nathan's pain, Haley's pain, Quinn.
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, Chantel was so good this episode.
Speaker 8: This episode, all of her stuff, especially the bedside stuff
Speaker 8: was just so good. I think that was why I
Speaker 8: bumped is because I was so all in for that
Speaker 8: ride that when it got light and went to a
Speaker 8: different area, I just it took me a bit to
Speaker 8: sort of like adjust.
Speaker 5: Yeah that makes sense, Yeah, I get it.
Speaker 6: Let's talk about Chantel for a second. That performance was
Speaker 6: so beautiful. It is. It's hard on show TV, where
Speaker 6: a lot of your work lives in shoulders up or
Speaker 6: waste up, and there's an element of performing where it's
Speaker 6: like you're still interacting with the environment and it's just
Speaker 6: hard to trust that the camera is going to really
Speaker 6: catch everything that's on your face. I guess I should
Speaker 6: say this is TV in the early odds, because now
Speaker 6: TV is much more like film. But back then, film
Speaker 6: was where you go to get that real close up
Speaker 6: chin to forehead shot of somebody having an emotion, and
Speaker 6: all they had to do is have a thought, and
Speaker 6: if they had an authentic thought, the audience reads the thought.
Speaker 6: And on TV at that time, especially shows like ours,
Speaker 6: where a lot of it was more environmental in terms
Speaker 6: of the landscape of what was on your screen, it
Speaker 6: just felt like you had to do a little bit
Speaker 6: more and we were always being directed to do more.
Speaker 6: Could you just like cry more? Could you just like
Speaker 6: make it a little more obvious that you're sad? It
Speaker 6: wasn't enough just to have the thought. And I loved
Speaker 6: that in this episode Chantelle was allowed to just feel
Speaker 6: and she didn't have to like perform the emotive expectation.
Speaker 6: It was like she just showed up and felt and
Speaker 6: we saw it all and it wasn't too much. It
Speaker 6: was just all you to do is put the camera
Speaker 6: right up on her face and just let her think
Speaker 6: and feel it. It was so good.
Speaker 3: It was so nice that they spent so much time
Speaker 3: in close up on her because you see her riding
Speaker 3: these waves of emotion and by the end when she's
Speaker 3: absolutely cracking because everyone thinks they're going to lose Clay.
Speaker 3: I mean, it just was so visceral and so heartbreaking
Speaker 3: and what I actually thought, and I get why you're saying,
Speaker 3: your stuff being light kind of took you out of
Speaker 3: it because of the intensity of what she was experiencing.
Speaker 3: What I actually I loved that as a viewer that
Speaker 3: you were sort of not registering how serious it was
Speaker 3: until you saw her register it, and it like broke me.
Speaker 3: Her heartbreak was so viscis and then to see you
Speaker 3: see it on her it was like a double whammy
Speaker 3: for me as a viewer. And I was just sobbing
Speaker 3: through like the whole end of the episode, and I
Speaker 3: just thought, you guys were so it was so so good.
Speaker 4: I agree, Yeah, I thought her stuff was awesome. And
Speaker 4: you're right, there's such a power and restraint. We've talked
Speaker 4: about this with her before, playing the edge, like not
Speaker 4: crying but fighting the cry, you know that sort of
Speaker 4: there's such a power and an interest like that's that
Speaker 4: leaning moment where the audience is like, oh, you know,
Speaker 4: and lean into their TVs and yeah, she killed it.
Speaker 4: It was great And I just as a viewer, this
Speaker 4: episode was just fun for me. Yeah, I was rooting
Speaker 4: for people. I was worried. I loved that when Clay
Speaker 4: opened his eyes, his first line was you look pretty.
Speaker 6: Oh so sweet.
Speaker 4: I thought that was so awesome. I like how they
Speaker 4: tied it up with will you know, because there was
Speaker 4: that little scary moment where it's like, oh, oh, is it
Speaker 4: Clay Who's cracks?
Speaker 7: You know?
Speaker 6: Yeah, but you did great, Rob. I could tell that
Speaker 6: you were playing getting weaker and weaker, which you know,
Speaker 6: as a viewer, gives you hope, like, oh, Clay's coming
Speaker 6: back to life in the real world. But it also
Speaker 6: made me sad because Will was standing up and feeling
Speaker 6: like he had more. I mean, clearly, you guys were
Speaker 6: You were very intentional about the way you were playing
Speaker 6: those scenes in the end.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so that all of that stuff was great. The
Speaker 4: mouth and Millie stuff was funny because that first shot,
Speaker 4: I'm sure we all laughed this, the first shot of them,
Speaker 4: the cameras above them and they're laying in bed. Was
Speaker 4: was your thought immediately? Where are the pillows?
Speaker 6: No? My thought was I hate when I'm laying down
Speaker 6: and the cameras up on top of me on a crane.
Speaker 6: I'm always afraid it's going to fall.
Speaker 3: On your face. Yeah that Remember when that happened to
Speaker 3: Britney Spears back in the day. Wow, the video she did.
Speaker 3: I can't remember what song it was, but she was
Speaker 3: in the like red latex, like long sleeve turtles into
Speaker 3: toxic outfit no way before then, like first album, and
Speaker 3: it was a whole thing where they had been filming
Speaker 3: above her and the camera like fell and cut ice.
Speaker 6: Oh my god. Yeah, yeah, see I'm terrified I feel.
Speaker 3: Like all of us who are our age, like, at
Speaker 3: least for me. I every time after that a camera
Speaker 3: went over us, I was like, are you sure it's
Speaker 3: like really secure? Like did he yank on it?
Speaker 4: The video was oops, I did it again? It was oops,
Speaker 4: I did it again.
Speaker 3: Yes, it was yo, and oh I just I that
Speaker 3: fear also joy, Yes, but I didn't. The pillows didn't
Speaker 3: bump me, Rob. And the reason is because the first
Speaker 3: of all, the comedy of you and I having this
Speaker 3: like quiet aside in the hallway and you being like,
Speaker 3: are they back together? And I'm like no, And then
Speaker 3: it cuts to them both looking shocked at what's happened.
Speaker 3: In my brain, there were no pillows because they'd had
Speaker 3: like like a very wild romp. Yes, and they were like,
Speaker 3: oh god, what what did we do? Like, oh my goodness.
Speaker 3: And it sort of fed to me like they're in
Speaker 3: the center of the mattress. There's no pillows. They're both
Speaker 3: clearly you know, meant to look butt naked. There's so
Speaker 3: much space between them, like every every choice in how
Speaker 3: they blocked that scene was funny to me.
Speaker 4: So when Mouth said to her, so, I guess last
Speaker 4: night we must have and she says, yeah, I guess so,
Speaker 4: isn't isn't she sober? Isn't she not drinking or doing drugs?
Speaker 6: Supposed to be?
Speaker 4: Okay?
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was a little confusing. Also, is he not
Speaker 6: he's not with Lauren? Right, no, and she's not with anybody.
Speaker 3: I took her being like, yeah, I guess so, almost ironically,
Speaker 3: like you both clearly know what you did, and I
Speaker 3: don't know the comedy of the way. Then when they
Speaker 3: get up and they start asking questions but they don't
Speaker 3: finish them, and it's like they couldn't finish a sentence.
Speaker 3: And then did he say thank you to her at
Speaker 3: one point?
Speaker 6: I didn't notice. That's funny, it was just thank you.
Speaker 3: So the whole thing was so funny to me. And
Speaker 3: even when she questioned him about Lauren, like she couldn't
Speaker 3: finish the question and then he said no, but then
Speaker 3: he didn't finish the rest of the answer, and the
Speaker 3: awkwardness of them I thought was really, they play so
Speaker 3: well together, they're both so comedically talented, and it was
Speaker 3: nice to have some levity outside of the hospital.
Speaker 6: Yeah, those two are the I think in any other
Speaker 6: circumstance I would be like what I don't understand what
Speaker 6: the big deal is. Why are you being so awkward?
Speaker 6: You guys have been together before, like you you that
Speaker 6: was the whole thing in your relationship. You were in
Speaker 6: a relationship for a long time. People get together with
Speaker 6: their exes all the time. What's the big deal? But
Speaker 6: the two of them in particular are both such awkward
Speaker 6: characters that I leaned into it with them. It was fine.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I loved danieled it. Also, did Lee get to
Speaker 4: a really good shape this season? Was I the only
Speaker 4: one who was with Okay looking like a snack?
Speaker 6: You're like, he's jacked tan all tan?
Speaker 4: Yeh?
Speaker 6: Yeah? That was probably the year he bought that house
Speaker 6: out at somewhere on the beach, right, didn't he get
Speaker 6: a house on like figure eight or someplace out there
Speaker 6: with I don't know. I don't know when he got married,
Speaker 6: but I feel like there was a year he got
Speaker 6: a house on the beach and was like living the
Speaker 6: beach life and probably started working out on the beach
Speaker 6: and he was out getting tan every.
Speaker 4: Day our show. I think this is probably all TV
Speaker 4: in general. But people have never looked more beautiful after
Speaker 4: a night of sex and gallivanting than on our show,
Speaker 4: Lisa looked like a Disney princess.
Speaker 6: Yeah, always, but especially.
Speaker 4: I mean I just thought she doesn't even have a
Speaker 4: comb there and look at her, she looks like she's
Speaker 4: ready to walk a runway.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she did.
Speaker 6: Look amazing in this episode, and so did done.
Speaker 3: Right the way and interesting too. That posts Romp to
Speaker 3: your point. It's not like no one on our show
Speaker 3: has smeared mass scara or like hair looking crazy or whatever.
Speaker 3: It's like, I don't know that hair and makeup really
Speaker 3: took good care of us this season.
Speaker 4: Dude. There's never once been sex hair on the show
Speaker 4: that I've been aware of.
Speaker 3: Well, and by the way, even Chantelle waking up like
Speaker 3: from a coma essentially looks like an angel in the bed.
Speaker 3: Her skin is glowing, her hair is so shiny and beautiful.
Speaker 3: Like hair and makeup was just like, yeah, we're gonna
Speaker 3: lean in. We're just we're gonna really, we're gonna buff
Speaker 3: up our resumes.
Speaker 4: I will say, she I feel like I got I
Speaker 4: got done a little dirty because we see her first
Speaker 4: in the hospital and she looks like an angel and
Speaker 4: a coma, right, yeah, And then we see me and
Speaker 4: for some reason, my breathing tube. It was like it
Speaker 4: was two inches too short. It's in the corner of
Speaker 4: my mouth, but it's pulling my mouth down. So every time,
Speaker 4: like my hair is clearly just fresh out of hair
Speaker 4: and make ye like it is. It's teased, it's feathered.
Speaker 6: You got the wolfman feather over your ears going on
Speaker 6: during that. I mean it was a really precise.
Speaker 4: Quite long sideburns as well this season. But but yeah,
Speaker 4: my tube, it's just pulling on my mouth. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 4: why she got the good tube? Meanwhile I looked like
Speaker 4: a mess. Did you also notice when the moment when
Speaker 4: Clay is finally standing in his hospital room watching himself,
Speaker 4: that the obvious stand in or double that they got
Speaker 4: for me had hair that did not look like mine
Speaker 4: at all?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 6: I missed it completely.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Oh no, it's it's it looks like it's James's
Speaker 4: stand in. Like it's very just like normal sort of
Speaker 4: combed over hair. It's not the bad boy, you know,
Speaker 4: t z PC.
Speaker 3: There really are times when going back and watching our show,
Speaker 3: I'm like, did you was the assumption just that you
Speaker 3: thought no one was going to notice? Like your stand
Speaker 3: in clearly is not even adjacent to you, and it
Speaker 3: reminds me of that early episode Rob. This is before
Speaker 3: you joined us with there's an early episode where I
Speaker 3: don't remember what season it is now because we are
Speaker 3: obviously eight years in, but James and Chad are in
Speaker 3: a convertible together and there is a white shot of
Speaker 3: the two stunt drivers and Chad stunt driver is like
Speaker 3: a forty year old man in a wig and they
Speaker 3: just love wigs. And we all were like, hold on,
Speaker 3: who are those people? But particularly who is that man
Speaker 3: who does not look anything like a teenage boy?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Like what, I don't know.
Speaker 6: We've had a.
Speaker 3: Couple of these over the years, and I'm like, guys,
Speaker 3: people do people who watch shows generally watch them with
Speaker 3: their eyes, so they see these mistakes you're making very
Speaker 3: clearly on the camera.
Speaker 4: Well, listen that the convertible bit. That's egregious like that
Speaker 4: you got to get right, I will say in defense
Speaker 4: of the show, Yeah, I think the average viewer is
Speaker 4: so on board with the storytelling in that moment that
Speaker 4: their focus isn't the silhouette of the standards, but it's
Speaker 4: yeah again, because we're looking at you, yes, yes, So
Speaker 4: I mean like we're nitpicking a bit. I mean, like,
Speaker 4: but that convertible bit. Come on, that's the only thing
Speaker 4: happening in that scene.
Speaker 3: It was so bad.
Speaker 4: Speaking of hospitals, how long ago did viewing windows in
Speaker 4: the maternity section stop being a thing.
Speaker 6: I'm so glad we're talking about this.
Speaker 4: Because when I watched that, I thought, first of all,
Speaker 4: I've never seen that in my lifetime that I recall. No,
Speaker 4: it's wow, that's definitely anyways.
Speaker 6: Yes, it was made for fathers who were not allowed
Speaker 6: in the delivery rooms to go be able to look
Speaker 6: at their newborn babies.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but was that still happening fifteen years ago?
Speaker 6: I don't think so.
Speaker 3: I don't think so. But TV shows love it. Like
Speaker 3: any TV show where there's a hospital.
Speaker 6: They probably still have it on Grays right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know actually if there is one there,
Speaker 3: But maybe if I think about it, I don't overlap.
Speaker 3: I don't know, I'm that show with like maternity at all.
Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm doing trauma surgery, so I never see
Speaker 3: that side of the hospital. I'll ask Camilla shall know. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but it is really it's so funny to me that,
Speaker 3: like anytime there's any version of a family show at
Speaker 3: a hospital. You gotta look through the glass at the babies.
Speaker 6: All the babies that were silicone babies, except for like
Speaker 6: the three that were alive, which was cute, and then
Speaker 6: the one they did the close up on, who was
Speaker 6: clearly like a six month old child, like not.
Speaker 4: A newborn trying to crawl out.
Speaker 6: That was funny.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, having just recently been in a maternity ward,
Speaker 4: I mean they are under a lie lockdown. Yeah, a
Speaker 4: key of hospitals. Okay, so we're hearing from the booth
Speaker 4: that hospitals phased out these viewing windows in the early
Speaker 4: two thousands. So okay, so just before the buzzer feasible.
Speaker 6: The Tree Hill one could have been. You know, it's
Speaker 6: a smaller it's a small town.
Speaker 3: Sure, older, older facility buy it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I buy it. But nowadays, I mean you've it's
Speaker 4: it's you're not like slipping in. It's it's a process
Speaker 4: to get in. All the babies were kept switched.
Speaker 6: This was like a real thing. There were a lot
Speaker 6: of kids that got switched at birth.
Speaker 3: Yes, did you guys see the dateline about it?
Speaker 6: How many of them?
Speaker 3: I mean, there's probably multiple, but there's one that I
Speaker 3: watched actually to prep for the movie that I shot
Speaker 3: last year, because there's that's essentially what the whole story
Speaker 3: revolves around. Oh and it this, I mean the stories.
Speaker 3: It's so crazy that this used to happen to people.
Speaker 3: Can you imagine? I mean, I guess you had to imagine.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Oh dude, the amount of unpacking you have
Speaker 4: to do to wrap your head around that.
Speaker 3: What and like do you want to know or not?
Speaker 3: Like that's such a question in the in the premise
Speaker 3: of this film, because it's like, well, why would you
Speaker 3: you know, the kids are essentially like why would you
Speaker 3: tell me this? But you know now because of genetic
Speaker 3: testing and all the things. It's like, it's about your health.
Speaker 3: It's about your health history. And oh man, it is
Speaker 3: just such a mind Well that took a turn.
Speaker 4: Well, if you're just joining us, welcome back to Switched
Speaker 4: at Birth.
Speaker 6: And Ghost Pudding.
Speaker 4: Nathan was awesome. This episode was I love to see,
Speaker 4: like I said, I'd love to see a vulnerable dude.
Speaker 4: I like to see a guy feeling all of his feelings.
Speaker 4: It was great all of it. I love that he
Speaker 4: wanted to volunteer for his buddy. I was confused though,
Speaker 4: at when he says, I want to donate if I'm
Speaker 4: you know, a good candidate, and the doctor says, if
Speaker 4: you give him your kidney, your basketball career will be over.
Speaker 6: You had no explanation on that.
Speaker 4: The only thing I could think of did it have
Speaker 4: to do with his degenerative back condition that he mentions
Speaker 4: to you later in the episode. But the doctor doesn't
Speaker 4: know about that. No, So this is the recovery from
Speaker 4: a kidney just so long that.
Speaker 6: It might just like take him out of the game
Speaker 6: because by the time he got ready to play again,
Speaker 6: he'd be too old maybe or do.
Speaker 3: We think it's because he was in that terrible accident
Speaker 3: and got sidelined as a player, like because he's a
Speaker 3: hometown Here is the doctor basically like you've made it
Speaker 3: back into the NBA once, you won't make it back
Speaker 3: into the NBA twice. It felt like a dangle of
Speaker 3: a carrot that really I was like, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: what but what like I need more information? And it
Speaker 3: just never came.
Speaker 6: Even if Nathan had, if it was in the script
Speaker 6: for him to like give the doctor a quizzical look
Speaker 6: like what do you mean you know? And then we
Speaker 6: could see him explaining it to Haley in the next
Speaker 6: scene or something, just something would have been nice.
Speaker 7: A little explanation or a very easy fix would be
Speaker 7: have the doctor say instead of if you if you
Speaker 7: do this, your career is over, have the doctor just say,
Speaker 7: if you do this, there's a good chance your career
Speaker 7: is over. Like you know what I mean, Because it
Speaker 7: was just it was so definitive, and because this is
Speaker 7: a doctor we've never seen on the show. It was
Speaker 7: so it's like, I don't believe he's intimately aware of
Speaker 7: all of Nathan's health stuff. So it was just odd
Speaker 7: to me, like how definitive it was. It's also like,
Speaker 7: look how young and healthy James looks. He's not a
Speaker 7: forty year old still grinding it out in the league.
Speaker 7: Like he's so young and in such good shape. So
Speaker 7: that's what I would just confuse, Like, is it is
Speaker 7: it that.
Speaker 4: Really of a recovery.
Speaker 6: Could have brought in his old doctor who also works
Speaker 6: in the maternity ward. Apparently he also could work in
Speaker 6: the trauma ward. I mean, this guy's just all over
Speaker 6: the hospital.
Speaker 3: I was everywhere.
Speaker 6: I would have bought that too, But James.
Speaker 4: Was great when we got to when there's the storyline
Speaker 4: where James is injured and he grows the Lieutenant Dan Beard.
Speaker 4: Did you guys just have a field day talking about that?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 4: That as a viewer, that was incredible.
Speaker 6: That was fun.
Speaker 4: We need to bring back the Beard.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, was it odd?
Speaker 4: When James excuse me and Nathan Is he goes and
Speaker 4: he washes Clay's car. I was like, awesome, very sweet move.
Speaker 4: And then he's driving it and then he pulls over
Speaker 4: and he walks up to Yeah, he walks over to
Speaker 4: the fence to watch horses run and that's where he
Speaker 4: breaks down.
Speaker 6: I totally bought that too. I loved it. Didn't bump
Speaker 6: on it for one second because it's something I would do.
Speaker 6: Like you're just try you're stuck in your body when
Speaker 6: you feel that kind of pain, And when I do anyway,
Speaker 6: it's like, I feel like this pain that's like I
Speaker 6: don't know how to get it out. Maybe I'll I'll
Speaker 6: run and maybe I'll yell. That doesn't work. Maybe I'll
Speaker 6: get in my car and just drive and that's not working.
Speaker 6: And then I see something that's so beautiful, And often
Speaker 6: it's something that's it's often beauty that will break me
Speaker 6: and allow me to release the pain. Not activity or
Speaker 6: being aggressive or thinking my way out of it, but
Speaker 6: just standing in front of something beautiful will crack me
Speaker 6: and then I'm just like a puddle. So I've I
Speaker 6: related to that.
Speaker 4: I love I love your explanation. That that's great. I
Speaker 4: was my confusion was I felt in my head. I
Speaker 4: was going, he's he's like stuffing these feelings down and
Speaker 4: there right there simmering below the surface. And he rather
Speaker 4: than just pull over and cry, He's like, I'm gonna
Speaker 4: hold it together for ten more seconds so I can
Speaker 4: walk over to those horses and cry while I watched
Speaker 4: them run. That's why I went like this it's a
Speaker 4: little TV that he was instead of just crying in
Speaker 4: the car, He's like, nah, I want to go watch
Speaker 4: these majestic creatures gallop and weep.
Speaker 6: I would.
Speaker 3: I liked it.
Speaker 6: I know.
Speaker 3: That's the thing. Like I'm such a horse girl that
Speaker 3: when he started, when the horses started, I was like,
Speaker 3: here it comes. It's like when you know the dog
Speaker 3: is going to die in the in like the disaster movie.
Speaker 3: You're just like it's gonna happen, and it's going to
Speaker 3: ruin my whole day. Like he got out and saw
Speaker 3: the horses and I was I was a puddle. I
Speaker 3: was like, and there it is.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: It would have been great if someone walked up and
Speaker 4: was like, hey, mister, are you okay, and he was
Speaker 4: just like, sir, I just love horses so much, man,
Speaker 4: They're just so beautiful.
Speaker 6: Oh. I did love that. I kind of wish that
Speaker 6: scene would have lasted a little bit longer. I just
Speaker 6: needed a little little more of a of a break
Speaker 6: in it. There was because it was good for me
Speaker 6: as a viewer too. I felt like I got to
Speaker 6: release a little bit pain a little just watching nature
Speaker 6: take its course, watching like thinking about what a cog
Speaker 6: in the wheel we all are, how nothing is certain
Speaker 6: and for us any more than it is for wild
Speaker 6: horses in a fields.
Speaker 3: Yeah, when you really have to feel your helplessness. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's so confronting to realize that all these things that
Speaker 3: we just think will work, we don't know, Like we
Speaker 3: don't know anything moment to moment, and you know it,
Speaker 3: I don't know the sort of respite as a viewer
Speaker 3: getting to be with Nathan in his solitude, in his
Speaker 3: break from it all, like getting outside and going for
Speaker 3: a drive and realizing he wanted to be in the car,
Speaker 3: but he didn't want to be in the car. It's
Speaker 3: exactly that thing you're talking about, joy, like nothing's quite
Speaker 3: making you feel better and you don't know which way
Speaker 3: to turn next. Yeah, and getting to be quiet with
Speaker 3: him was really nice for me in an episode that
Speaker 3: was so emotional, with so much talking and so much
Speaker 3: crying and so much information. It was like I felt
Speaker 3: like I kind of got to take a deep breath
Speaker 3: with him, and I thought it was a cool. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it was kind of a cool device.
Speaker 6: He's been holding it together for everybody for so long, Yeah,
Speaker 6: since since Lydia's death.
Speaker 4: Another nice counterbalance was the Brook Julian Jamie stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 4: there's such a fun ease with the three of you.
Speaker 4: And also, you know, because we're sort of feeling like, oh,
Speaker 4: there's they're not going to be able to have kids together,
Speaker 4: to see you like what natural good parents you are
Speaker 4: to him is just and just it's just fun. You know.
Speaker 4: That lightness is great.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and dialogue felt so natural too, There was nothing forced.
Speaker 6: It all felt really good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was all so sweet And one of the
Speaker 3: things I really like about it is, you know, it's
Speaker 3: exactly what happens people go through something and you know,
Speaker 3: it's what we talked about it when we got on
Speaker 3: you know, at the beginning of the show, Like it's
Speaker 3: what everyone's doing in La right now. It's like can
Speaker 3: I pick up your kids? Can I bring you a meal?
Speaker 3: Do you need me to bring you a change of clothes?
Speaker 3: Like everybody needs to help when you're in crisis in
Speaker 3: different ways, and even just you know, you being able
Speaker 3: to say to me like will you just take him
Speaker 3: for the day, Like get the kids some joy. He
Speaker 3: needs some happiness. He's got to get out of here.
Speaker 3: It's dark here. And being able to take a kid
Speaker 3: to play and just giving him a normal day. It's
Speaker 3: it's like all these different expressions of this group of
Speaker 3: friends being so kind to each other and taking care
Speaker 3: of each other. It's so sweet.
Speaker 4: I left this episode feeling like, oh, this is what
Speaker 4: the show's about. There's a lot of things happening, but
Speaker 4: this is a show about friendship.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, in this episode it was just very very clear,
Speaker 4: front and center. But yeah, that moment we said can
Speaker 4: you just take him to uh when Haley says that
Speaker 4: to Brooke, I just thought, oh, like, what what a
Speaker 4: luxury it is to have someone that you trust and
Speaker 4: love enough to just take your kid for a day
Speaker 4: and to ask that of them and have them go
Speaker 4: I got you. Yeah, yeah, it's gonna be great.
Speaker 3: And it was really sweet too, to get out, you know,
Speaker 3: on the baseball field, Like I remember that day. I
Speaker 3: remember the temperature.
Speaker 6: Sports attire on brook Is like a favorite I didn't
Speaker 6: know that I needed in my life. I'm like, why
Speaker 6: has she not been designing sports attire? This was such
Speaker 6: a good look for you beside the point, but go ahead, No,
Speaker 6: it was so fun.
Speaker 3: And the funny part is we only had one of
Speaker 3: those hats the coverbe orange chats. We made one and
Speaker 3: when we wrapped, I kept it. And then during the
Speaker 3: early days of the pandemic, when I was fostering dogs
Speaker 3: trying to just like help the city, one of the
Speaker 3: puppies chewed up the bill of my hat and I
Speaker 3: was like, no, like, I've kept this hat pristine for
Speaker 3: ten years, and then it wound up in a in
Speaker 3: a puppy's mouth and got shredded, and I.
Speaker 6: Was like, there would still wear it? Yeah?
Speaker 3: I was like, I mean I still have it, and
Speaker 3: you know me, I'm so like emotionally attached to things.
Speaker 3: But I I was definitely like, oh, look at look
Speaker 3: at my hat before it got destroyed. It was cute.
Speaker 3: I liked it. I also like that Jamie has baseball skills,
Speaker 3: but he's like, no, I want to I want to
Speaker 3: play basketball like my dad. The one thing I thought
Speaker 3: we didn't do that we should have was like, be like,
Speaker 3: but buddy, you're like you're short like your mom, baseball
Speaker 3: might have to be your thing. Kid, Like, be realistic, kid,
Speaker 3: I just I just don't know if it's in the
Speaker 3: cards for you to be in the NBA.
Speaker 6: Buddy, Yeah, that would have been fun to see Julian
Speaker 6: just sort of take him into his wing.
Speaker 2: There.
Speaker 6: Let me give you a little practical advice. I'm young
Speaker 6: one speaking of friendship and just the modeling of what
Speaker 6: that looks like. I mean, Nathan making being willing to
Speaker 6: make such a huge sacrifice. That's a massive sacrifice to
Speaker 6: be willing to give up the potential of your dream,
Speaker 6: even though his dream seemed like it was waning and
Speaker 6: you know, had a ceiling on it, time limit on it.
Speaker 6: To still do that for a friend, To save a
Speaker 6: friend's life is an incredible statement of character. And so
Speaker 6: many other things and Victoria taking on the sacrifice of responsibility,
Speaker 6: I guess, or not not passing the buck and making
Speaker 6: sure that she says to Brook and the diner in
Speaker 6: the beginning, uh, somebody who spoke to somebody else who
Speaker 6: spoke to half of the federal government wrote out there like,
Speaker 6: you know, we we've just dealt with it. We've talked
Speaker 6: to everybody in the government, just everyone out there in
Speaker 6: the government. All of them solved it all.
Speaker 4: Yeah, all of her stuff was great, but my favorite
Speaker 4: was the last shot of her walking into the big.
Speaker 6: Yes.
Speaker 3: I wrote it down to. I was like, it's pure
Speaker 3: poetry for Victoria.
Speaker 6: I'll tell you who I'm not worried about in prison,
Speaker 6: Victoria Davis absolutely be just fine.
Speaker 3: And her laughing that it's like, you know, it's it's
Speaker 3: essentially what did she say, It's essentially a country club.
Speaker 3: I was like, Okay, Martha Stewart, it's prison mother.
Speaker 6: I wrote that one down to so good, it's essentially
Speaker 6: a country club.
Speaker 3: It's so funny. What I would have given, not that
Speaker 3: she probably would have wanted to do it, but she's
Speaker 3: also so cool. Maybe she would have what I would
Speaker 3: have given for them to have gotten a scene between
Speaker 3: Victoria Davis and Martha Stewart in their fancy, high end
Speaker 3: white collar prison.
Speaker 6: Like I would give anything that would have been worth
Speaker 6: every amount of money that they would have put onto Yeah,
Speaker 6: like just.
Speaker 3: Take the budget of season nine, Martha take it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, please for one cameo.
Speaker 3: Give Victoria the prison tips because clearly Martha Stewart like
Speaker 3: crushed her prison's.
Speaker 4: Day for sure.
Speaker 6: What would oh man, what would the lines have been
Speaker 6: like the dialogue would have been Victoria walking in and
Speaker 6: seeing her like the just the hattiness between the two
Speaker 6: of them. They would have come out bff.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, she prison changed certain well air quotes, prison
Speaker 4: changed her for the better. I mean she came out
Speaker 4: and then did a cooking show with Snoop Dogg.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, oh they're best friends. Oh yeah, it's adorable
Speaker 3: when this is going to be like the weirdest thing
Speaker 3: I've ever said. But you guys know, I'm a nerdy
Speaker 3: climate science person and years ago I got to visit
Speaker 3: the Global Seed Vault in Norway and it was like
Speaker 3: the coolest thing I've ever done. And of course, like
Speaker 3: in this group of fifty people who got to sit
Speaker 3: with all these experts and talk about the future of food.
Speaker 3: Martha Stewart flew in for a day and walked in
Speaker 3: and I was like, you're literally the most beautiful person
Speaker 3: I've ever seen in my life. I want you to
Speaker 3: tell me how to do everything, Like I have so
Speaker 3: many questions that I froze. I don't think I spoke
Speaker 3: for like the first half of the one day that
Speaker 3: she was there with us, and we're in we're like
Speaker 3: essentially in a glacier talking about the seeds being protected
Speaker 3: for the global food supply, and I show you not.
Speaker 3: Martha's Stewart looks at this scientist and goes, you know,
Speaker 3: my friend Snoop Dog, if he were here, would ask
Speaker 3: why you guys are not storing marijuana seeds yet It's
Speaker 3: an incredibly important plant, not only for flora and fauna
Speaker 3: but medicine. So what are your plans there? And I
Speaker 3: was like, I've truly just witnessed probably the coolest thing
Speaker 3: that will ever happen to me in my life, and
Speaker 3: I will I will remember it forever, and I don't
Speaker 3: think I'll ever see something this neat like ever again anywhere.
Speaker 3: And I was like, Oh, it's like really a thing.
Speaker 3: She's like asking expert scientists. She cares for information she
Speaker 3: can take home and relate a snoop about how we're
Speaker 3: going to protect marijuana plants ten out of ten, ten
Speaker 3: out of ten. This is why I'm like, I need
Speaker 3: a Victoria Davis Murtha Stewart crossover in my life. I
Speaker 3: just actually think, I actually think I just need more
Speaker 3: Mirtha Stewart.
Speaker 6: Where is that show? Now? Could we just do that?
Speaker 6: Like Victoria had to go to prison again and when
Speaker 6: she came out, I mean, I guess it was too
Speaker 6: long ago. Dang, but please, where is that show?
Speaker 4: In my notes, say I have Victoria Goes to the
Speaker 4: Big House. This is the spinoff I want?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, so yeahbe guys, let's add it to me notes.
Speaker 6: Let's Donny still looks exactly the same. We'll just pick
Speaker 6: up right where we left off. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I love it. It's also so sweet having this moment
Speaker 3: between Brooke and Victoria. Yeah. The thing that kind of
Speaker 3: made me go, oh, you know, I remember thinking, wait,
Speaker 3: Victoria is going to go to prison. I forgot about this.
Speaker 3: But the thing that really hit me was seeing how
Speaker 3: far their relationship has come. When I get to look
Speaker 3: at her and say, I don't want.
Speaker 4: You to go.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like this girl who had no relationship with her
Speaker 3: mom for so long, they're in such a wonderful place
Speaker 3: that she doesn't want to lose her and it, you know,
Speaker 3: to your point earlier, this the best of our show
Speaker 3: is when it's about these friendships and these relationships, and
Speaker 3: it's so cool to see the growth between these two
Speaker 3: women and the fact that they genuinely like being together.
Speaker 6: I felt that in uh when you were just saying
Speaker 6: goodbye to her at the prison. You drove her to
Speaker 6: the gate and you got out of your car, and
Speaker 6: the way you were standing, you were like pigeon toed
Speaker 6: and your arms are just straight down at your side.
Speaker 6: It was such a normbal sweet little girl posture, like
Speaker 6: a little girl losing her mom again.
Speaker 9: So sad.
Speaker 4: I've been loving Victoria this season and her becoming a
Speaker 4: mom to you, but I found myself wondering. So it's
Speaker 4: obviously it's landing and having an effect on me, but
Speaker 4: I found myself wondering how the payoff must have been
Speaker 4: even better for everyone that's watched the show at this point,
Speaker 4: because what I've missed is how many seasons of her
Speaker 4: not being a good mom to you? Yeah, so the
Speaker 4: payoff must have been extraordinary for like proper fans from
Speaker 4: day one, right.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, legendarily the worst other than Dan Scott, like
Speaker 6: the worst parent in tree Hill, just completely abandoned, didn't
Speaker 6: show up, would float in, float out, drop her kid
Speaker 6: off here like boardings. I don't think she ever went
Speaker 6: to boarding school, but you know, like here on this vacation,
Speaker 6: let me move in with families. Yeah, just like whatever,
Speaker 6: I don't care. I mean, she just did not raise you.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so you're right, big huge payoffs. That's one of
Speaker 6: the great benefits of a show that lasts this long.
Speaker 6: You really can't stretch those out. So good.
Speaker 4: How about honorable mention?
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, Will Edwin's was just he was just so great.
Speaker 6: His performance was so beautiful and really grounding, and I'm
Speaker 6: so glad we had a space to let Clay talk
Speaker 6: and not just to himself or to people who couldn't
Speaker 6: hear him, but really have a dialogue with somebody. That
Speaker 6: was great. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I co sign it's Edwin for me as well.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Okay, Well we've got a question and it reads Hello,
Speaker 3: this is Vecer. My question for Joy and Sophia is
Speaker 3: about the contest that phone company Vanage ran for season two.
Speaker 3: Wait What Viewers got to vote via text message to
Speaker 3: decide whether or not Nathan.
Speaker 6: Would cheat on Haley with Taylor.
Speaker 3: The question is, was there actually a scene filmed where
Speaker 3: Nathan and Taylor kissed or were the votes tallied up
Speaker 3: before the decision was made to film either of those scenes?
Speaker 3: Do you remember this?
Speaker 6: I do not remember this. I don't. I don't either,
Speaker 6: And I wonder if maybe it.
Speaker 3: Was just rus maybe they said it might happen, but
Speaker 3: they never intended on it. I don't actually know, but
Speaker 3: that wouldn't surprise me if they were like, oh, we're
Speaker 3: going to do this big thing for press, and we'll
Speaker 3: just say that the fans voted no, no matter what.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah. Are they legally allowed to do that? I
Speaker 6: don't know. I mean, if you as a business, if
Speaker 6: you say that you're going to do if you're like
Speaker 6: selling a product based on obviously it happens all the time.
Speaker 6: But I don't know what. I don't know what the
Speaker 6: rules are there. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't either.
Speaker 6: Well, but it's also not.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's I guess, yes, we're filming the show.
Speaker 3: The outcome potentials are real, but you know, it's not
Speaker 3: like a Dancing with the Stars or something where you're
Speaker 3: voting for people who make it based on the votes
Speaker 3: in real time.
Speaker 6: So yeah, I mean, we had to have the writer's room,
Speaker 6: we had to schedule actors, we had to I wonder
Speaker 6: if James will remember maybe they did film two scenes.
Speaker 3: I think we should text him and ask, yeah, I
Speaker 3: don't you guys have your phone on it.
Speaker 4: But it's also pretty hollywood to like propose something like
Speaker 4: that with no actual intention of falling through. Do you
Speaker 4: remember the Yeah, George Clooney Batman is called Batman and Robin. Yeah,
Speaker 4: there was a ton of press for it at the
Speaker 4: time because they said, we don't we want an unknown
Speaker 4: for Robin. So we are opening casting calls around the
Speaker 4: nation in all the major cities to unearth our next Robin.
Speaker 4: And do you know who ended up being Robin Chris O'Donnell.
Speaker 3: Opposite of an unknown.
Speaker 4: Yes, In fact, Marlon Wayne's was Robin first, and then
Speaker 4: he went out for creative differences and then cryst O Donald.
Speaker 4: So they had two cracks at it. After seeing the nation,
Speaker 4: it went, nah, we're gonna stick with the known commodity.
Speaker 3: Well, not a bad decision though. Chrys o'donald was.
Speaker 4: Great, infinitely likable, infinitely should we spin a wheel, Let's
Speaker 4: do it.
Speaker 3: I like seeing them all go by, some of the
Speaker 3: other spinning really funny.
Speaker 4: Most likely to accidentally text the wrong group chat. I
Speaker 4: tell you what, it's the kind of mistake you'll only
Speaker 4: make once. Yeah, because it is. I did it once
Speaker 4: and it was mortifying. Except it wasn't even a group.
Speaker 4: I text the guy I.
Speaker 3: Was texting about was talking about him.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Oh my gosh, I called him out by name.
Speaker 4: I was like, hey, so and so, Like I said
Speaker 4: something like so and so is inviting himself so hard.
Speaker 4: It's like he's organizing the event.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, brother, I want to die.
Speaker 4: This was a long time ago, but still, and I
Speaker 4: had to are.
Speaker 6: You guys still friends?
Speaker 4: Uh no, no no, that wasn't what ended it, though,
Speaker 4: But I immediately was like, hey, sorry, but I'll never forget.
Speaker 4: I was standing in I was in Spain, studying abroad,
Speaker 4: standing in a grocery store, trying to check out multitasking
Speaker 4: and just wasn't thinking sent the text, and then immediately
Speaker 4: was like all the blood dreamed from my body got Nope.
Speaker 6: I've texted my ex love you babe. That was meant
Speaker 6: for my current boyfriend at the time. Reply yeah, no,
Speaker 6: I mean it was just like I followed up like, sorry,
Speaker 6: that wasn't for you.
Speaker 4: For you, He's like, take me out of your phone.
Speaker 4: This is the tenth time you've done this. It hurts
Speaker 4: every time. Oh no, you got to change that name
Speaker 4: if they're too similar. Thrown emoji at front of the word.
Speaker 6: It was just that I was I had to be
Speaker 6: talking to both of them around the same on the
Speaker 6: same day for different reasons, and just went have you
Speaker 6: ever die?
Speaker 3: I had someone do that with me, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: And it was really interesting because it was someone who
Speaker 3: was a friend for a while and then when our
Speaker 3: show started, was not a friend anymore because you know,
Speaker 3: I don't know, probably weird, and you know, we were
Speaker 3: all in our early twenties. It's like, I think weird
Speaker 3: when one of your friends like winds up on a
Speaker 3: giant cult classic TV show whatever. But we had a
Speaker 3: mutual friend for a long time who had invited this
Speaker 3: person to a birthday that I also went to. And
Speaker 3: since this person just like is not involved in our
Speaker 3: group of high school friends at all, because my friend
Speaker 3: who hosted the birthday was like she's a mean girl,
Speaker 3: Like why are we continuing to try to do this?
Speaker 3: Like we're just bad at boundaries. But at my friend's birthday,
Speaker 3: this like sort of ex friend got very inebriated and
Speaker 3: cried about feeling so horrible about like these things that
Speaker 3: had happened and whatever, and I was like, wow, that's
Speaker 3: really nice, Like we should maybe make a plan. Another
Speaker 3: friend was getting married, so I was like, we had
Speaker 3: this whole conversation about like maybe around so and so's
Speaker 3: bridal shower, we'll like get a coffee and talk and
Speaker 3: see if there's like salvaging to do here. So around
Speaker 3: the bridle shower, I texted her and was like, hey,
Speaker 3: like let's, you know, see if we're going to get
Speaker 3: the coffee. And she sent a screenshot of the text
Speaker 3: to me, meaning to obviously send it to someone else,
Speaker 3: being like I have no idea what she's talking about.
Speaker 3: And I was like, oh, you literally don't remember that
Speaker 3: you like got drunk and cried at a bar and
Speaker 3: went on this like apology tour with me and a
Speaker 3: bunch of our other friends. You don't remember, And she
Speaker 3: had meant to text a friend being like what basically
Speaker 3: was like, what the fuck is she talking about? And
Speaker 3: I was like, well, I think this is talking about
Speaker 3: anything anymore. I was like, not nothing anymore, actually at all.
Speaker 4: Sophia has left the chat.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I was just like, and I'm gonna I'm just
Speaker 3: gonna leave this there for you.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna start using that wrong. Joy has left the chat.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I just actually type it out.
Speaker 3: Yep, that's what you should send to your ex. Joy.
Speaker 3: Joy has left the chat.
Speaker 4: I mean like, in the world of texting the wrong person,
Speaker 4: she got off really easy.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Like I heard a story recently of a of a
Speaker 4: woman who was wearing her Apple Watch. It was actually
Speaker 4: a post. It was a warning on instagramm or. She
Speaker 4: was saying, Hey, turn off Siria on your Apple Watch.
Speaker 4: She's crying. She's like, this just happened to me. I
Speaker 4: was talking to my husband about someone at my work,
Speaker 4: a colleague, and Siri heard me, dictated the entire thing
Speaker 4: and sent it to the person. No, She's like, so
Speaker 4: my colleague just got this lamethy text of me venting
Speaker 4: everything that annoys me about this person.
Speaker 6: Guys, we have to be careful with robots. They are
Speaker 6: taking over. We cannot underestimate the robots.
Speaker 4: What if this is what it is. What if it's
Speaker 4: not that the robots get guns and hunt us like
Speaker 4: a terminator. It's just the robots airing out all of our.
Speaker 6: Talking social jenocide, like just just murders all all of
Speaker 6: us socially. We have no social life anymore, totally incapable.
Speaker 3: And that's the thing, Like, even when you think about
Speaker 3: that woman's experience, oh my god, I'm devastated for her.
Speaker 3: Because of course you're going to vent to your spouse.
Speaker 3: You might just need to get it out. You might
Speaker 3: just need to say all the things in bitch and moan,
Speaker 3: and then the next day you feel fine. No one's
Speaker 3: ever supposed to know about that stuff.
Speaker 4: No, And it's your partner that is your safest place,
Speaker 4: which means you were going to use the most heinous
Speaker 4: language and colorful words.
Speaker 6: It's it's all the things you don't mean. It's all
Speaker 6: the things you don't really mean. It's like you just
Speaker 6: have to get them out of your body, and you
Speaker 6: be like, okay, actually I can be more reasonable. I
Speaker 6: can see it from this perspective, I can whatever whatever.
Speaker 6: But you have to like, get it out for it's all.
Speaker 6: It's like acting. You got to get out the bad
Speaker 6: ideas first and then you arrive at something totally and
Speaker 6: that's okay.
Speaker 3: But it's not supposed to be broadcast.
Speaker 4: So this is our listeners.
Speaker 6: Yeah, write us in and tell us your most embarrassing
Speaker 6: accidental text stories.
Speaker 4: Yes, apparently there's an automatically send messages button UNDERSERI in
Speaker 4: the Apple Watch. So if you have an Apple Watch off,
Speaker 4: turn that all the way off.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah yeah yeah. So officially our answer to this,
Speaker 6: to this wheel, though, is everyone, because we've all done
Speaker 6: it and it only happens once before you realize how
Speaker 6: careful you have to be, right, yeah, yes, yes, Oh.
Speaker 3: My god, you guys, the like icky feeling in my
Speaker 3: chest right now for every all of these stories, I
Speaker 3: just the stress. I feel awful.
Speaker 6: I have another one for you, but I can't say
Speaker 6: it on the air. I'm when we're done, i'll tell
Speaker 6: you guys.
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh yeah, oh you just pissed off all the listeners,
Speaker 4: but I am so excited.
Speaker 6: Well, you know what.
Speaker 3: Our next episode is really appropriately titled Season eight, Episode four.
Speaker 4: We all fall down by sending the wrong.
Speaker 3: Text message exactly exactly stupid Siri.
Speaker 6: Well, thanks for hanging out, everybody. See you next week. Love,
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