WEBVTT - Ghost Pudding • EP 803 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:01.280 First of all, you don't know me. 0:00:02.240 --> 0:00:05.600 We all about that high school drama, Girl Drama, Girl, 0:00:05.680 --> 0:00:08.800 all about them high school queens. We'll take you for 0:00:08.920 --> 0:00:12.360 a ride, and our comic girl sharing for the Rights 0:00:12.440 --> 0:00:13.120 Drama Queens. 0:00:13.200 --> 0:00:16.479 Jlie, my girl of girl Fashion, but your tough girl. 0:00:16.560 --> 0:00:19.600 You could sit with us, Girl Drama, Queen Drama, Queens Drama, 0:00:19.640 --> 0:00:23.799 Queens Drama, John the Queens Drama Queens. 0:00:24.239 --> 0:00:28.560 Uh. Pretty cool, all three of us in the house 0:00:29.240 --> 0:00:31.240 to talk about a banger of an episode. 0:00:31.520 --> 0:00:31.680 OI. 0:00:31.880 --> 0:00:36.720 God, hey, everybody, wasn't it though? This was a heavy episode. 0:00:36.880 --> 0:00:40.239 This was heavy. I just want to say thank you 0:00:40.320 --> 0:00:43.680 to you both, and also to all of our listeners 0:00:43.720 --> 0:00:46.760 who've been just like reaching out and so kind while 0:00:46.800 --> 0:00:51.400 we are scrambling in LA this week, you know, trying 0:00:51.440 --> 0:00:54.680 to like support our people and figure out how to 0:00:54.720 --> 0:00:59.360 get things to our friends who've like literally lost everything. 0:01:00.960 --> 0:01:03.520 And also I'm like, wow, we had to come back 0:01:03.560 --> 0:01:06.720 in at eight oh three, Like I just cried through 0:01:06.720 --> 0:01:09.120 this whole episode. I was like, I am a runner, 0:01:09.360 --> 0:01:12.880 I'm so emotional and I sobbed, and I can't wait 0:01:12.920 --> 0:01:14.200 to talk to you guys about it and cry for 0:01:14.200 --> 0:01:15.800 the next hour. Everything's going to be great. 0:01:16.080 --> 0:01:18.400 We unpacked a lot in this episode and tied a 0:01:18.440 --> 0:01:21.360 lot of loose ends and opened up a lot of wounds. 0:01:21.840 --> 0:01:24.360 Yeah, yeah, I guess before we dive in, let's uh, 0:01:24.440 --> 0:01:28.240 let's everyone know what we watched. Season eight, episode three, 0:01:28.680 --> 0:01:32.479 The Space in Between, aired September twenty eighth, twenty ten. 0:01:32.760 --> 0:01:36.720 Synopsis reads as a situation at the hospital worsens, Nathan 0:01:36.800 --> 0:01:40.640 makes a huge decision regarding his career. Does he ever? 0:01:41.360 --> 0:01:44.479 Brooke and Julian take Jamie for the day, while Victoria 0:01:44.560 --> 0:01:48.600 and Millicent hatch a plan directed by Greg Prange. And 0:01:48.760 --> 0:01:55.480 it was written, Yes, this episode was written. Was so good. 0:01:56.320 --> 0:01:58.760 And I also I have some like I have some 0:01:58.840 --> 0:02:03.520 funny questions, but yes, but let's talk about it was 0:02:03.560 --> 0:02:04.040 a lot. 0:02:04.280 --> 0:02:08.960 I love the intro, the narrative intro that we've you know, 0:02:09.000 --> 0:02:12.240 we brought in season one heavy and it kind of 0:02:12.280 --> 0:02:15.839 dissipated over the years. I was so happy to see 0:02:15.840 --> 0:02:16.959 that return me too. 0:02:17.040 --> 0:02:20.919 And it felt really nice to watch it, particularly through 0:02:21.639 --> 0:02:25.520 your eyes, like all the things Haley's been processing, to 0:02:25.680 --> 0:02:31.040 see this great kind of self care practice, to watch 0:02:31.080 --> 0:02:35.520 you journaling and you know, feeling your feelings in this 0:02:35.639 --> 0:02:39.600 really healthy way and bringing back that season one nostalgia. 0:02:39.639 --> 0:02:41.560 At the same time, I was like, Oh, this feels 0:02:41.600 --> 0:02:44.919 like a really nice moment to be it. 0:02:44.919 --> 0:02:49.760 It's a clever device for emotional exposition. It's the type 0:02:49.800 --> 0:02:52.200 of exposition I don't mind at all because it's allowing 0:02:52.280 --> 0:02:55.400 us a peek inside Haley's head in a very organic, 0:02:55.440 --> 0:02:56.240 believable way. 0:02:56.600 --> 0:02:58.640 Yeah, because it's just when they try and write that 0:02:58.680 --> 0:03:03.959 stuff into dialogue usually feels pretty canned. So it's nice. 0:03:04.320 --> 0:03:07.519 It's nice when it feels organic, you know. I like that. 0:03:09.160 --> 0:03:11.440 And it wasn't just from Haley too. We got Mouth 0:03:11.560 --> 0:03:14.440 doing his narration throughout as he was talking about the 0:03:15.040 --> 0:03:18.880 different sports movies, and that felt really good and it 0:03:18.919 --> 0:03:21.160 was seamless, it didn't feel forced at all. 0:03:21.840 --> 0:03:26.920 And it was really cool too that Mouth's podcast feels again, 0:03:27.160 --> 0:03:30.920 so nostalgic for early high school days of him, you know, 0:03:31.040 --> 0:03:36.000 commentating and calling games. And it's this really beautiful mirror 0:03:36.040 --> 0:03:40.160 this story that he's telling, mirroring what's happening to Clay 0:03:40.800 --> 0:03:44.720 and Quinn, and it sort of reminds you that even 0:03:44.760 --> 0:03:48.200 though this is such a specific experience our characters are 0:03:48.200 --> 0:03:50.080 going through, that it's sort of a tale as old 0:03:50.120 --> 0:03:53.480 as time, right, Like someone is on the razor's edge 0:03:53.480 --> 0:03:57.400 of will they live or will they die? And everyone 0:03:57.520 --> 0:04:00.640 in their own way can understand that kind in a pain. 0:04:00.960 --> 0:04:05.480 And I don't know the whole thing. I loved hearing 0:04:06.360 --> 0:04:09.880 the narration, whether it was your journaling or his storytelling. 0:04:09.960 --> 0:04:13.200 Also, kudos to Mouth for being way ahead of the 0:04:13.280 --> 0:04:18.560 podcast curve. Yeah, I was so surprised. I watched that 0:04:18.560 --> 0:04:21.200 went okay cool as a podcast, and I thought, wait, 0:04:21.279 --> 0:04:24.719 this was great fifteen years ago. He was way ahead 0:04:24.720 --> 0:04:26.000 of his times because. 0:04:25.760 --> 0:04:31.839 Millie's reactions like, oh, you have a podcast now, Yeah, 0:04:31.880 --> 0:04:32.920 that's right, I do. 0:04:33.320 --> 0:04:36.279 I sure do. Did fall Out Boy seeing us sing 0:04:36.360 --> 0:04:39.640 this episode's theme song, Oh, I was wondering. 0:04:39.360 --> 0:04:41.039 Who it was that might be it. 0:04:41.440 --> 0:04:42.200 I was too. 0:04:42.680 --> 0:04:44.520 I thought because we have a relationship or the show 0:04:44.560 --> 0:04:48.960 had a relationship with Pete, maybe that was the case. Wait, yes, yes, 0:04:49.080 --> 0:04:50.320 this is the answer from. 0:04:50.760 --> 0:04:54.440 The booth Patrick Stump, So says our producer. 0:04:55.040 --> 0:04:57.640 A lot of shows at this time were doing this 0:04:57.640 --> 0:05:01.840 this uh, covering their or what do you call it? 0:05:01.920 --> 0:05:05.360 Theme song? Covering their theme songs? Yeah, with other bands. 0:05:05.600 --> 0:05:07.520 And I don't know if it was a trend or 0:05:07.560 --> 0:05:09.719 if it was a licensing thing like they just wanted 0:05:09.720 --> 0:05:11.800 to save money on not having to pay Gavin on 0:05:11.839 --> 0:05:14.279 the licensing of the original recording, and so they bring 0:05:14.320 --> 0:05:16.719 in cover bands so it's like a fraction of the price. 0:05:17.640 --> 0:05:19.760 I'm sure that was appealing, but it was also kind 0:05:19.760 --> 0:05:20.279 of a trend. 0:05:21.400 --> 0:05:25.160 We'll never know, never know, I will say, and this 0:05:25.200 --> 0:05:27.240 is not a knock on them at all, but because 0:05:27.320 --> 0:05:30.760 the episode is so emotional, and then and then we 0:05:30.880 --> 0:05:34.479 hit the like Fallout by punk rock cover, I was like, 0:05:34.520 --> 0:05:35.880 what's happening? This feels wrong. 0:05:35.960 --> 0:05:36.120 Yeah. 0:05:36.440 --> 0:05:39.320 I thought Michelle Featherstone did one coming up too that 0:05:39.440 --> 0:05:42.359 it was much more like piano balladi could we not 0:05:42.600 --> 0:05:44.120 swept flip fuffed? 0:05:44.200 --> 0:05:46.240 I was like, maybe we should have saved this for 0:05:46.320 --> 0:05:49.960 a fun episode. And I had like a power ballad 0:05:50.400 --> 0:05:54.479 in this moment when we're listening to Haley's innermost emotional thoughts. No, 0:05:54.800 --> 0:05:58.120 it felt like a really sort of disassociative choice. 0:05:58.320 --> 0:06:01.080 Yeah, and if you're gonna make this all out boys episode, 0:06:01.560 --> 0:06:04.440 put it at the very beginning of the episode, don't 0:06:04.480 --> 0:06:06.039 bury it twelve minutes in. 0:06:06.839 --> 0:06:08.679 Yeah, it was odd. 0:06:09.279 --> 0:06:11.440 It was a weird choice. I want to know what 0:06:12.000 --> 0:06:13.560 your funny questions are roun. 0:06:13.760 --> 0:06:15.839 Okay, I bet one of them is the same. 0:06:16.720 --> 0:06:21.280 I'm gonna say this. This episode for me nailed everything 0:06:22.080 --> 0:06:27.039 in the human realm. It raised a lot of questions 0:06:27.080 --> 0:06:29.440 for me in the ghost limbo world. 0:06:29.920 --> 0:06:32.520 Okay, like, first of all. 0:06:32.960 --> 0:06:36.599 Why is he eating pudding? And how is he eating pudding? 0:06:38.480 --> 0:06:42.440 Clay's friend? Right, I have his name written down here, 0:06:42.600 --> 0:06:47.200 so Will thank you. It's this odd thing right well, 0:06:47.200 --> 0:06:50.919 because first of all, we've done the ghosting with Katie, 0:06:50.920 --> 0:06:54.040 with Amanda Schul and Keith and Keith, and the whole 0:06:54.080 --> 0:06:56.520 kind of rule is like you can't touch people, they 0:06:56.560 --> 0:07:00.440 can't hear you. You can have your own business. But 0:07:01.560 --> 0:07:05.039 like Amanda was doing her nails one time, so she 0:07:05.120 --> 0:07:09.320 was painting her nails, So maybe ghosts have access to cosmetics. 0:07:09.320 --> 0:07:12.720 Who knows little things bobs and bits, but it was 0:07:12.800 --> 0:07:15.400 so weird. First of all, the first interaction between Will 0:07:15.440 --> 0:07:21.400 and Clay is odd that it's they start to talk, 0:07:21.440 --> 0:07:24.640 but within like four lines, Will is talking about how 0:07:24.720 --> 0:07:29.320 hot Quinn is. Yeah, it just gets real, like it 0:07:29.360 --> 0:07:34.840 gets real Broie very fast. And then Clay is kind 0:07:34.840 --> 0:07:36.880 of like rolling with it and they're riffing and then 0:07:36.920 --> 0:07:38.840 Clay's like, oh, can you feel it if I hit you? 0:07:39.040 --> 0:07:41.480 And he like, I like gently hit him on the arm, 0:07:41.880 --> 0:07:46.400 and I'm just thinking, like, if you're in limbo, yeah, 0:07:46.720 --> 0:07:49.920 and you've never met this person. It just felt really 0:07:50.000 --> 0:07:53.360 familiar in light given the gravity of the situation. 0:07:54.280 --> 0:07:55.480 First person he's mating. 0:07:55.880 --> 0:07:59.240 It's actually really interesting because I liked that it started light. 0:08:00.440 --> 0:08:03.160 My first note was that I really like seeing Clay 0:08:03.240 --> 0:08:06.720 in his element, even though he's between worlds, commenting on 0:08:06.760 --> 0:08:09.480 the haircuts, warning the guy about the will like it. 0:08:10.440 --> 0:08:15.080 It felt really fun and upbeat, and what it did 0:08:15.120 --> 0:08:18.000 for me as a viewer was let me see that 0:08:18.120 --> 0:08:20.200 you were adjusting and that you were kind of in 0:08:20.280 --> 0:08:22.360 this space and that you'd figured out a little bit 0:08:22.400 --> 0:08:25.840 of a routine. And then the surprise that someone could 0:08:25.880 --> 0:08:29.880 hear you, that someone was there with you really registered 0:08:29.920 --> 0:08:33.920 for me, because without having to hear how many days 0:08:33.920 --> 0:08:36.400 you'd been unconscious, I could tell you'd been there a while. 0:08:36.840 --> 0:08:39.160 And then I mean side note, not you know, for 0:08:39.280 --> 0:08:41.040 our show, but also for our show. I was just 0:08:41.040 --> 0:08:44.240 so excited to see Edwin because he's like, you know, 0:08:44.320 --> 0:08:46.199 one of my dearest friends and now married to one 0:08:46.200 --> 0:08:48.600 of my best friends from us all going and doing 0:08:48.640 --> 0:08:52.040 good sam together. That's where he and sky met, and so. 0:08:52.080 --> 0:08:53.720 I just was like, oh my god, my angel, and 0:08:53.760 --> 0:08:55.040 he's a baby. 0:08:54.920 --> 0:08:57.520 Like it's so I don't know, it was just so 0:08:57.600 --> 0:09:03.959 sweet to see. And while I thought that the writing 0:09:04.040 --> 0:09:07.920 about him commenting on Quinn being hot was lame, like duh, 0:09:08.280 --> 0:09:11.040 look who wrote our show, Like Okay, we're not surprised, 0:09:11.320 --> 0:09:13.880 but I thought you guys did a really great job 0:09:14.040 --> 0:09:17.560 immediately when you had the weirdness of oh you can 0:09:17.600 --> 0:09:19.000 see me and hear me, and I can see you 0:09:19.000 --> 0:09:22.360 and hear you. What the hell like you did almost 0:09:22.440 --> 0:09:24.640 have I know you said it was browie, but it 0:09:24.679 --> 0:09:28.080 almost felt like childish to me in a sweet way, 0:09:28.200 --> 0:09:32.120 because it's completely bizarre and it's like you suddenly have 0:09:32.160 --> 0:09:35.280 an imaginary friend or something. I liked what you two 0:09:35.800 --> 0:09:39.520 brought to it, even though yeah, the writing could have 0:09:39.640 --> 0:09:43.480 been better in every measure in that opener, in that 0:09:43.559 --> 0:09:44.400 opener for you. 0:09:45.080 --> 0:09:47.200 I agree with you. So if I bought it, I 0:09:47.240 --> 0:09:51.280 thought that, I mean, if existentially, if you're if you 0:09:51.360 --> 0:09:54.120 actually woke up and found yourself in that place and 0:09:54.400 --> 0:09:56.400 you were lonely there for a long time, to the 0:09:56.400 --> 0:09:59.040 point where you were just starting to like settle in 0:09:59.120 --> 0:10:01.600 and talk trash to people that you're passing by in 0:10:01.600 --> 0:10:03.200 the hallway and like, well, I guess I'm gonna make 0:10:03.200 --> 0:10:05.960 the best of this. Suddenly there's another person. You're like, whoa, 0:10:06.000 --> 0:10:08.200 this is amazing. We kind have something to talk about, 0:10:08.640 --> 0:10:10.520 and the other person's like chill and cool. 0:10:10.600 --> 0:10:10.920 I don't know. 0:10:10.960 --> 0:10:14.880 I feel like you would be so stripped of your 0:10:15.120 --> 0:10:20.520 emotional propriety that we all behave so well in society 0:10:20.520 --> 0:10:23.240 and the way we go about and conversations follow a 0:10:23.280 --> 0:10:25.280 flow and you don't get that deep too fast, and 0:10:26.120 --> 0:10:27.599 I just think all that would probably go out the 0:10:27.640 --> 0:10:30.880 window here. And so for me him like commenting on Quinn, 0:10:30.920 --> 0:10:36.080 I mean, yes, conceptually gross, but like the essence of 0:10:36.760 --> 0:10:41.280 browness so quickly I totally bought it well. 0:10:41.360 --> 0:10:44.240 And I think also Edwin was great. We only had 0:10:44.280 --> 0:10:46.319 this together, but I had such a great time with him, 0:10:46.320 --> 0:10:48.920 So please tell him I say hello, because we did. 0:10:48.960 --> 0:10:50.720 We had fun. It was a really fun thing to 0:10:50.760 --> 0:10:53.280 do together. And I think you're right because there's also 0:10:53.960 --> 0:10:57.160 you know when you're just super lonely, like I remember. 0:10:57.800 --> 0:11:00.160 I think it was like during COVID at one point I 0:11:00.160 --> 0:11:02.400 hadn't talked to anyone but Jenny in ages, and I 0:11:02.960 --> 0:11:04.920 like went to the grocery store for the first time 0:11:05.000 --> 0:11:08.600 or something, and I remember I was so eager to 0:11:08.679 --> 0:11:13.040 interact with another human being that that poor cashier got 0:11:13.280 --> 0:11:15.760 a thousand questions from It's like, do you like gum? 0:11:15.840 --> 0:11:17.439 What have you been up to? How are you? Do 0:11:17.480 --> 0:11:18.800 you want to hear about what's going on with me? 0:11:19.120 --> 0:11:21.600 Fifteenth person that day who had done that too, by 0:11:21.600 --> 0:11:22.079 the way. 0:11:22.240 --> 0:11:25.840 Yeah, So to that end, I completely understand, Like Clayton's 0:11:25.880 --> 0:11:28.240 been like, great, let's be pals, but again, this isn't 0:11:28.280 --> 0:11:30.199 my These aren't my beast. My main one was I 0:11:30.679 --> 0:11:34.679 was just so confused. In a later scene, why Will 0:11:34.880 --> 0:11:40.679 is eating pudding? Yeah, he's in limber, right that that's okay. 0:11:40.760 --> 0:11:43.440 That would make sense if like when he's alive, if 0:11:43.440 --> 0:11:45.959 that's his favorite snack. Sure, But what was odd about 0:11:46.000 --> 0:11:48.600 it was it was in the direction he's eating it. 0:11:48.679 --> 0:11:51.680 I'm like, all right, whatever, it's activity for him. But 0:11:51.760 --> 0:11:54.160 then he sets it on the calendar. At the end 0:11:54.240 --> 0:11:57.200 of the scene, we exit frame and the camera stays 0:11:57.200 --> 0:12:02.080 on the pudding. So I was I'm like, like, checkof's gun, Like, okay, 0:12:02.120 --> 0:12:04.680 how is the pudding gonna be weaved into the storytelling? 0:12:04.920 --> 0:12:05.160 Right? 0:12:05.520 --> 0:12:07.880 It's not no, we just didn't have a better shot. 0:12:07.920 --> 0:12:10.439 So here's your ghost pudding, limbo pudding. 0:12:10.840 --> 0:12:13.680 I think the intention might have been to land the 0:12:13.720 --> 0:12:17.360 camera on the nurse who does not notice the pudding 0:12:17.440 --> 0:12:19.640 being put in front of her, because it's ghost pudding, 0:12:20.000 --> 0:12:23.640 and it was like clarifying for the audience it's ghost pudding. 0:12:23.720 --> 0:12:27.680 Don't worry, We're still following our own rules. But I 0:12:27.679 --> 0:12:29.320 don't know that that was the most important thing in 0:12:29.320 --> 0:12:32.040 the scene. So probably we could have made a different choice. 0:12:33.240 --> 0:12:36.440 Could we name Could the title of this episode, this 0:12:36.480 --> 0:12:38.720 podcast episode be ghost pudding? 0:12:39.040 --> 0:12:39.840 I think it should be. 0:12:40.760 --> 0:12:42.760 I just feel like that's gonna draw in a lot 0:12:42.800 --> 0:12:45.520 of interest. That's gonna pique people's interest. They're gonna want 0:12:45.520 --> 0:12:45.880 to hear it. 0:12:46.400 --> 0:12:49.120 Yeah, I'm on board with this, So okay, So these 0:12:49.120 --> 0:12:52.599 are your existential questions with the episode? Is that it? 0:12:52.720 --> 0:12:55.240 And by the end of it, I mean, I enjoyed 0:12:55.280 --> 0:12:58.320 the dynamic. It just caught me off guard, I think 0:12:58.360 --> 0:13:01.240 because I was I was so bought into what was 0:13:01.320 --> 0:13:05.760 happening in the real world. Nathan's pain, Haley's pain, Quinn. 0:13:05.800 --> 0:13:09.400 Oh my gosh, Chantel was so good this episode. 0:13:09.400 --> 0:13:13.120 This episode, all of her stuff, especially the bedside stuff 0:13:13.200 --> 0:13:17.320 was just so good. I think that was why I 0:13:17.360 --> 0:13:21.760 bumped is because I was so all in for that 0:13:21.960 --> 0:13:24.720 ride that when it got light and went to a 0:13:24.720 --> 0:13:26.840 different area, I just it took me a bit to 0:13:26.880 --> 0:13:28.640 sort of like adjust. 0:13:29.480 --> 0:13:42.520 Yeah that makes sense, Yeah, I get it. 0:13:43.920 --> 0:13:47.880 Let's talk about Chantel for a second. That performance was 0:13:47.920 --> 0:13:56.640 so beautiful. It is. It's hard on show TV, where 0:13:56.679 --> 0:14:00.880 a lot of your work lives in shoulders up or 0:14:01.040 --> 0:14:05.840 waste up, and there's an element of performing where it's 0:14:05.880 --> 0:14:09.400 like you're still interacting with the environment and it's just 0:14:09.440 --> 0:14:12.280 hard to trust that the camera is going to really 0:14:12.360 --> 0:14:14.439 catch everything that's on your face. I guess I should 0:14:14.440 --> 0:14:16.640 say this is TV in the early odds, because now 0:14:16.760 --> 0:14:20.680 TV is much more like film. But back then, film 0:14:20.760 --> 0:14:23.400 was where you go to get that real close up 0:14:23.640 --> 0:14:27.880 chin to forehead shot of somebody having an emotion, and 0:14:27.960 --> 0:14:30.120 all they had to do is have a thought, and 0:14:30.200 --> 0:14:33.440 if they had an authentic thought, the audience reads the thought. 0:14:34.120 --> 0:14:38.040 And on TV at that time, especially shows like ours, 0:14:38.080 --> 0:14:42.040 where a lot of it was more environmental in terms 0:14:42.040 --> 0:14:44.960 of the landscape of what was on your screen, it 0:14:45.040 --> 0:14:46.480 just felt like you had to do a little bit 0:14:46.520 --> 0:14:48.800 more and we were always being directed to do more. 0:14:48.960 --> 0:14:51.360 Could you just like cry more? Could you just like 0:14:51.400 --> 0:14:53.200 make it a little more obvious that you're sad? It 0:14:53.240 --> 0:14:56.840 wasn't enough just to have the thought. And I loved 0:14:57.040 --> 0:15:00.920 that in this episode Chantelle was allowed to just feel 0:15:01.480 --> 0:15:05.600 and she didn't have to like perform the emotive expectation. 0:15:05.720 --> 0:15:08.440 It was like she just showed up and felt and 0:15:08.480 --> 0:15:10.440 we saw it all and it wasn't too much. It 0:15:10.520 --> 0:15:12.360 was just all you to do is put the camera 0:15:12.440 --> 0:15:14.000 right up on her face and just let her think 0:15:14.160 --> 0:15:15.160 and feel it. It was so good. 0:15:15.200 --> 0:15:17.360 It was so nice that they spent so much time 0:15:17.480 --> 0:15:22.280 in close up on her because you see her riding 0:15:22.320 --> 0:15:25.760 these waves of emotion and by the end when she's 0:15:26.800 --> 0:15:30.080 absolutely cracking because everyone thinks they're going to lose Clay. 0:15:31.040 --> 0:15:34.640 I mean, it just was so visceral and so heartbreaking 0:15:35.560 --> 0:15:38.640 and what I actually thought, and I get why you're saying, 0:15:38.760 --> 0:15:41.080 your stuff being light kind of took you out of 0:15:41.120 --> 0:15:43.560 it because of the intensity of what she was experiencing. 0:15:44.120 --> 0:15:47.320 What I actually I loved that as a viewer that 0:15:48.120 --> 0:15:51.720 you were sort of not registering how serious it was 0:15:52.520 --> 0:15:57.240 until you saw her register it, and it like broke me. 0:15:58.040 --> 0:16:01.640 Her heartbreak was so viscis and then to see you 0:16:02.120 --> 0:16:05.360 see it on her it was like a double whammy 0:16:05.480 --> 0:16:08.240 for me as a viewer. And I was just sobbing 0:16:08.680 --> 0:16:11.360 through like the whole end of the episode, and I 0:16:11.440 --> 0:16:15.200 just thought, you guys were so it was so so good. 0:16:15.960 --> 0:16:19.720 I agree, Yeah, I thought her stuff was awesome. And 0:16:19.760 --> 0:16:22.440 you're right, there's such a power and restraint. We've talked 0:16:22.440 --> 0:16:25.040 about this with her before, playing the edge, like not 0:16:25.240 --> 0:16:28.000 crying but fighting the cry, you know that sort of 0:16:28.040 --> 0:16:29.960 there's such a power and an interest like that's that 0:16:30.080 --> 0:16:32.520 leaning moment where the audience is like, oh, you know, 0:16:32.560 --> 0:16:35.720 and lean into their TVs and yeah, she killed it. 0:16:35.720 --> 0:16:38.120 It was great And I just as a viewer, this 0:16:38.200 --> 0:16:41.560 episode was just fun for me. Yeah, I was rooting 0:16:41.600 --> 0:16:46.200 for people. I was worried. I loved that when Clay 0:16:46.320 --> 0:16:49.680 opened his eyes, his first line was you look pretty. 0:16:50.040 --> 0:16:51.720 Oh so sweet. 0:16:52.080 --> 0:16:54.960 I thought that was so awesome. I like how they 0:16:55.000 --> 0:16:57.320 tied it up with will you know, because there was 0:16:57.320 --> 0:16:59.240 that little scary moment where it's like, oh, oh, is it 0:16:59.280 --> 0:17:00.120 Clay Who's cracks? 0:17:00.400 --> 0:17:00.600 You know? 0:17:01.480 --> 0:17:04.080 Yeah, but you did great, Rob. I could tell that 0:17:04.160 --> 0:17:07.359 you were playing getting weaker and weaker, which you know, 0:17:07.400 --> 0:17:09.520 as a viewer, gives you hope, like, oh, Clay's coming 0:17:09.520 --> 0:17:11.920 back to life in the real world. But it also 0:17:12.280 --> 0:17:14.840 made me sad because Will was standing up and feeling 0:17:14.840 --> 0:17:16.880 like he had more. I mean, clearly, you guys were 0:17:17.440 --> 0:17:19.720 You were very intentional about the way you were playing 0:17:19.720 --> 0:17:21.280 those scenes in the end. 0:17:22.200 --> 0:17:25.080 Yeah, so that all of that stuff was great. The 0:17:25.119 --> 0:17:30.160 mouth and Millie stuff was funny because that first shot, 0:17:30.280 --> 0:17:33.040 I'm sure we all laughed this, the first shot of them, 0:17:33.600 --> 0:17:35.600 the cameras above them and they're laying in bed. Was 0:17:35.760 --> 0:17:38.200 was your thought immediately? Where are the pillows? 0:17:39.480 --> 0:17:41.240 No? My thought was I hate when I'm laying down 0:17:41.240 --> 0:17:43.760 and the cameras up on top of me on a crane. 0:17:43.760 --> 0:17:45.520 I'm always afraid it's going to fall. 0:17:46.480 --> 0:17:50.080 On your face. Yeah that Remember when that happened to 0:17:50.119 --> 0:17:54.600 Britney Spears back in the day. Wow, the video she did. 0:17:54.800 --> 0:17:57.280 I can't remember what song it was, but she was 0:17:57.320 --> 0:18:00.480 in the like red latex, like long sleeve turtles into 0:18:00.600 --> 0:18:05.040 toxic outfit no way before then, like first album, and 0:18:05.560 --> 0:18:09.440 it was a whole thing where they had been filming 0:18:09.520 --> 0:18:12.639 above her and the camera like fell and cut ice. 0:18:13.160 --> 0:18:17.240 Oh my god. Yeah, yeah, see I'm terrified I feel. 0:18:16.960 --> 0:18:20.760 Like all of us who are our age, like, at 0:18:20.840 --> 0:18:24.119 least for me. I every time after that a camera 0:18:24.160 --> 0:18:25.640 went over us, I was like, are you sure it's 0:18:25.680 --> 0:18:27.880 like really secure? Like did he yank on it? 0:18:28.240 --> 0:18:30.879 The video was oops, I did it again? It was oops, 0:18:30.920 --> 0:18:31.480 I did it again. 0:18:31.600 --> 0:18:38.000 Yes, it was yo, and oh I just I that 0:18:38.119 --> 0:18:41.680 fear also joy, Yes, but I didn't. The pillows didn't 0:18:41.720 --> 0:18:46.040 bump me, Rob. And the reason is because the first 0:18:46.040 --> 0:18:48.199 of all, the comedy of you and I having this 0:18:48.320 --> 0:18:51.199 like quiet aside in the hallway and you being like, 0:18:51.240 --> 0:18:53.760 are they back together? And I'm like no, And then 0:18:53.800 --> 0:18:57.240 it cuts to them both looking shocked at what's happened. 0:18:57.359 --> 0:18:59.840 In my brain, there were no pillows because they'd had 0:18:59.880 --> 0:19:04.320 like like a very wild romp. Yes, and they were like, 0:19:04.400 --> 0:19:08.200 oh god, what what did we do? Like, oh my goodness. 0:19:08.760 --> 0:19:11.159 And it sort of fed to me like they're in 0:19:11.200 --> 0:19:14.160 the center of the mattress. There's no pillows. They're both 0:19:14.240 --> 0:19:16.879 clearly you know, meant to look butt naked. There's so 0:19:17.000 --> 0:19:21.520 much space between them, like every every choice in how 0:19:21.560 --> 0:19:23.399 they blocked that scene was funny to me. 0:19:24.720 --> 0:19:27.520 So when Mouth said to her, so, I guess last 0:19:27.600 --> 0:19:30.840 night we must have and she says, yeah, I guess so, 0:19:31.520 --> 0:19:35.800 isn't isn't she sober? Isn't she not drinking or doing drugs? 0:19:35.800 --> 0:19:36.439 Supposed to be? 0:19:36.760 --> 0:19:37.119 Okay? 0:19:37.440 --> 0:19:39.600 Yeah, it was a little confusing. Also, is he not 0:19:39.760 --> 0:19:43.160 he's not with Lauren? Right, no, and she's not with anybody. 0:19:43.520 --> 0:19:48.040 I took her being like, yeah, I guess so, almost ironically, 0:19:48.440 --> 0:19:52.520 like you both clearly know what you did, and I 0:19:52.560 --> 0:19:55.840 don't know the comedy of the way. Then when they 0:19:55.840 --> 0:19:58.760 get up and they start asking questions but they don't 0:19:58.760 --> 0:20:01.760 finish them, and it's like they couldn't finish a sentence. 0:20:02.160 --> 0:20:04.320 And then did he say thank you to her at 0:20:04.320 --> 0:20:04.800 one point? 0:20:05.880 --> 0:20:08.760 I didn't notice. That's funny, it was just thank you. 0:20:08.880 --> 0:20:11.800 So the whole thing was so funny to me. And 0:20:11.880 --> 0:20:14.520 even when she questioned him about Lauren, like she couldn't 0:20:14.520 --> 0:20:16.400 finish the question and then he said no, but then 0:20:16.400 --> 0:20:19.199 he didn't finish the rest of the answer, and the 0:20:19.240 --> 0:20:23.080 awkwardness of them I thought was really, they play so 0:20:23.160 --> 0:20:26.199 well together, they're both so comedically talented, and it was 0:20:26.320 --> 0:20:28.960 nice to have some levity outside of the hospital. 0:20:29.560 --> 0:20:33.760 Yeah, those two are the I think in any other 0:20:33.760 --> 0:20:35.919 circumstance I would be like what I don't understand what 0:20:35.920 --> 0:20:37.359 the big deal is. Why are you being so awkward? 0:20:37.400 --> 0:20:40.520 You guys have been together before, like you you that 0:20:40.640 --> 0:20:42.280 was the whole thing in your relationship. You were in 0:20:42.320 --> 0:20:45.520 a relationship for a long time. People get together with 0:20:45.560 --> 0:20:49.119 their exes all the time. What's the big deal? But 0:20:49.160 --> 0:20:52.400 the two of them in particular are both such awkward 0:20:52.480 --> 0:20:56.080 characters that I leaned into it with them. It was fine. 0:20:56.200 --> 0:21:00.200 Yeah, I loved danieled it. Also, did Lee get to 0:21:00.200 --> 0:21:01.920 a really good shape this season? Was I the only 0:21:02.000 --> 0:21:06.560 one who was with Okay looking like a snack? 0:21:06.880 --> 0:21:09.760 You're like, he's jacked tan all tan? 0:21:10.160 --> 0:21:10.360 Yeh? 0:21:10.480 --> 0:21:12.600 Yeah? That was probably the year he bought that house 0:21:12.640 --> 0:21:15.480 out at somewhere on the beach, right, didn't he get 0:21:15.480 --> 0:21:17.520 a house on like figure eight or someplace out there 0:21:17.520 --> 0:21:19.840