WEBVTT - The 1968 DNC

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<v Speaker 1>Al Zone Media.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to Ick It Happened Here. I'm your host Bio

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<v Speaker 2>Wong with me as James Stout by me. Hello, this

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<v Speaker 2>is a podcast about things falling apart putting it back

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<v Speaker 2>together again. For the rest of this week, we are

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<v Speaker 2>going to be going to our live correspondence from a

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<v Speaker 2>Democratic National Convention. We're going to be getting a bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of episodes from from the floor. We're you're gonna you're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be hearing all about all.

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<v Speaker 3>Of the sort of excitement.

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<v Speaker 2>But for sort of day one of our DNC convention,

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<v Speaker 2>I thought we'd do something a little bit different, and

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<v Speaker 2>that is, I want to take a look back at

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<v Speaker 2>the convention that I think most people have been thinking

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<v Speaker 2>is the most similar to this one, which is the

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen sixty eight Democratic National Convention, which is also a

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<v Speaker 2>convention that featured large anti war protests and the vice

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<v Speaker 2>president of an extremely unpopular president who was waging an

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<v Speaker 2>unpopular war seized control of the nomination. I mean, and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and the parallels. I mean, you know, there's

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<v Speaker 2>occupations at college. I mean right down to the one

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<v Speaker 2>that I think I've seen it. I haven't seen anyone

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<v Speaker 2>else talk about. Is that one of the big uprisings

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen sixty eight is in Pakistan, and particularly in

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<v Speaker 2>the part of Pakistan that is now Bangladesh. We are

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<v Speaker 2>about a week ish, maybe two weeks removed from an

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<v Speaker 2>enormous uprising of Bangladesh that just knocked out their political leadership.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, there are lots of sort of nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>sixty eight vibes in the air.

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<v Speaker 4>It's not unsimilar, but it's also not the same, as

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<v Speaker 4>I'm sure I'm about to find out.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I think in some sense, and we'll get

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<v Speaker 2>to this board as the episode progresses, but in some sense,

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<v Speaker 2>sixty eight parts of it are sort of an inversion

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<v Speaker 2>of what's happening now, and parts of it are an

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<v Speaker 2>interesting case study in having the same pieces but having

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<v Speaker 2>them fit into totally different configurations, And because of that,

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<v Speaker 2>the results are going to be I think, very, very

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<v Speaker 2>staggerlarly different. Yeah, And I think maybe the primary difference

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<v Speaker 2>is that really the nineteen sixty eight Democratic Convention does

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<v Speaker 2>not start in the US at all. It starts in

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<v Speaker 2>Vietnam on Vietnamese New Years, and it really starts with

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<v Speaker 2>the tet Offensive. So for people who have forgotten this

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<v Speaker 2>from their history, classes, like, so maybe some of you

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<v Speaker 2>are around for this.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>Statistically probably not, but I don't know. Maybe there's a

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<v Speaker 3>few old timers here yea.

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<v Speaker 2>So the Tet Offensive is this massive attack by the

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<v Speaker 2>viet Cong a's roar of North Vietnamese forces on New

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<v Speaker 2>Years of Well technically it's like Gener's sick because the

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<v Speaker 2>calendar dates are off. But it's this massive attack on

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<v Speaker 2>American positions. It's an attempt really to sort of seize

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<v Speaker 2>control of South Vietnam. It doesn't really work militarily because,

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<v Speaker 2>and this is an interesting kind of display of bad judgment.

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<v Speaker 2>The North Vietnamese leadership bizarrely makes almost exactly the same

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<v Speaker 2>mistake that the Americans are going to make from the

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<v Speaker 2>invasion of Iraq, which is that they are under the

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<v Speaker 2>assumption that, you know, their attack would trigger a series

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<v Speaker 2>of urban revolts that would like drive out the corrupt

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<v Speaker 2>Vietnamese South Vietnamese like puppet governments, and like run the Americans.

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<v Speaker 3>Out of the country. And that doesn't happen. There's no uprisings.

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<v Speaker 2>The viet Cong take a bunch of grounds, but unbelievable

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<v Speaker 2>numbers of their calldurators are just wiped out by the

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<v Speaker 2>sums of good American counterattack. But it didn't matter at all,

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<v Speaker 2>because what the head offensive really did was instantly revealed

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<v Speaker 2>to everyone in the US that LBJ and every previous

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<v Speaker 2>American administration had been lying to them about the Vietnam War.

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<v Speaker 2>In the wake of these attacks, it is instantly clear

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<v Speaker 2>that the US is not winning the war. They are

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<v Speaker 2>not making steady progress against the Communists. They are at

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<v Speaker 2>best locked in a grinding stalemate against an enemy with

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<v Speaker 2>a capacity to launch attacks that could again temporarily like

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<v Speaker 2>run the US out of cities, right, Yeah, and this

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<v Speaker 2>craters lbj's popularity. His popularity is in the thirties.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh damn, yeah, when incumbent.

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<v Speaker 2>That's yeah, it's really really bad. It's I mean, he's

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<v Speaker 2>like thirty six percents he is. He is staggeringly, staggeringly unpopular.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, the tet offensive also in some sense validates,

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<v Speaker 2>particularly the sort of radical wing of the anti war movements.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I think people remember the anti war movement

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<v Speaker 2>today is this purely this sort of like hyper militant

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<v Speaker 2>students for Democratic Society to the draft card burning stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>and there was that, but those people for the early

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<v Speaker 2>especially the early sixties leading up to this point, and

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<v Speaker 2>even even Dream sixty eight are a minority.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>Most of the anti war people are sort of older,

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<v Speaker 2>like anti nuclear activists, people who come up in the forties,

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<v Speaker 2>people who'd you know, been through the Red Scare and

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<v Speaker 2>are these sort of hyper vigilant liberals. And these people

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<v Speaker 2>thought that they could work with LBJ to end the war.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>LBJ comes in not like quite explicitly promising to end

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<v Speaker 2>the but he comes in as the candidate who's not

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<v Speaker 2>you know, who's not literally threatening the bombs I gone.

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<v Speaker 2>And then he turns around a bombs I gone. And

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<v Speaker 2>so this moment the tet offensive is this moment where

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<v Speaker 2>the radical wing of the anti woman is vindicated. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>LBJ has been lying to them the whole time. All

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<v Speaker 2>of the sort of negotiations that people have been doing

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<v Speaker 2>have been a complete failure. And in the sort of

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<v Speaker 2>wake of this, there's a real sort of drive by

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of different anti war factions to stage a

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<v Speaker 2>protests at the Democratic National Convention for what you know,

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<v Speaker 2>to protest what everyone assumes is going to be the

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<v Speaker 2>coronation of LBJ. There are two different kind of umbrellas

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<v Speaker 2>of groups. I guess you could call it who wind

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<v Speaker 2>up at sixty eight? And this is something that we

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<v Speaker 2>aren't gonna have now because neither of these two kinds

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<v Speaker 2>of things really exists anymore. The first of these groups

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<v Speaker 2>are the politically serious hard lighters. They are organized into

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<v Speaker 2>this unbelievably large coalition of hundreds of groups called National.

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<v Speaker 3>Mobilization Committee to End the War in Vietnam.

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<v Speaker 2>Nobody says that because it's it's so long, Everyone then

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<v Speaker 2>and now just calls it MOB or sometimes mobilization, but

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<v Speaker 2>everyone in the writing just calls them MOOBE, and MOBE

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<v Speaker 2>is one of the groups that's been getting more radical

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<v Speaker 2>by sixty eight. But again, the Students for a Democratic Society,

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<v Speaker 2>who are kind of the sixties parallel to the DSA,

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<v Speaker 2>if you're going to sort of dose these directly one

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<v Speaker 2>to one lines, right, are a minority. And also STS

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<v Speaker 2>basically leaves MOB to focus on other kinds of organizing.

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<v Speaker 2>So the STS is going to be around, they're going

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<v Speaker 2>to involved in this protest, but MOBE is kind of

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<v Speaker 2>not being ran by them. And MOB is also a

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<v Speaker 2>very complicated endeavor because again, these are big tent groups, right,

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<v Speaker 2>These are very very very big tent groups. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>the range from honestly sort of write liberal professional groups

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<v Speaker 2>who oppose the war to like one of the one

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<v Speaker 2>of the major leaders of MOBE in this period is

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<v Speaker 2>a senior member of the SWP, the Socialist Workers Party,

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<v Speaker 2>who are.

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<v Speaker 3>Like old school Trotsky eight group.

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<v Speaker 5>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And it's very very hard to get coalitions like

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<v Speaker 2>this to work, partially because of secretariat infighting over some

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<v Speaker 2>of it's over tactics, because a lot of there's a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people in MOB who do not want militant confrontation.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't want there to be big confrontations with the police.

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<v Speaker 2>And then also, you know, these people just don't have

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<v Speaker 2>the same ends, right the SWP people are trying to

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<v Speaker 2>have a socialist revolution. There's other people in this group

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<v Speaker 2>who are trying to not have their tax dollars pay

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<v Speaker 2>for a war.

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<v Speaker 5>They'll get their kids drafted into a war.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, but MOB is the big anti war hub, right.

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<v Speaker 2>With the exception of the group we're gonna talk about next,

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<v Speaker 2>almost all Edgibar activity in the country is running through ROBE,

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<v Speaker 2>just to some extent or another, because it's a coalition

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<v Speaker 2>of like all of those gifts we don't really have.

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<v Speaker 3>Anything like this anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>There are kind of the tattered remains of this stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>but they don't have the kind of poll the kind

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<v Speaker 2>of especially, they don't have the kind of organizational capacity

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<v Speaker 2>that this stuff had.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it's not really like that.

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<v Speaker 4>There are a wide variety of people are posted to

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<v Speaker 4>genocide and Palestine, but they're not united under any even this.

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<v Speaker 4>There isn't like a popular front or a big tent

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah that really brings them together. Even in twenty twenties,

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<v Speaker 4>if you didn't really have like a a big tent org,

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<v Speaker 4>did we Like we had like BLM capital BLM five

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<v Speaker 4>oh one c three, But like that wasn't really like

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<v Speaker 4>an org that was that effective on the ground.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's a key component that's very very different about

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<v Speaker 2>you know about the sixty eight convention that the ones

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<v Speaker 2>gonna happen. You know, as as this comes out, it

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<v Speaker 2>will be day one of that convention. The terrain of

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<v Speaker 2>groups who are opposed to it are staggeringly different.

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<v Speaker 3>This kind of stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>We just don't have it anymore now. Part of what

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<v Speaker 2>MOB is struggling to do, and this is something that

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<v Speaker 2>some of the things they're dealing with, the things that

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<v Speaker 2>we don't deal with now. Some of them are things

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<v Speaker 2>that we deal with all the time.

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the big ones is they're trying to develop

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<v Speaker 2>what eventually is going to be called the diversity of tactics.

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<v Speaker 2>So they're trying to have protests that you can have

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<v Speaker 2>three hundred thousand people and most of those people could

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<v Speaker 2>be sitting around having a picnic. And then there's also

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch of people who are like fighting the police

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<v Speaker 2>in the front.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>We are I think sort of largely familiar with this

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<v Speaker 2>kind of from twenty twenty.

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<v Speaker 5>Right, Yeah, and the police take ASTs everyone.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Wellh So this comes to another very important part about this,

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<v Speaker 2>which is that mob, even in the planning stages, even

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<v Speaker 2>the radicals, are not trying to fight the cops.

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<v Speaker 5>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>Nobody wants to do it because everyone is terrified about

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<v Speaker 2>Chicago's reaction to the Holy Week Uprising. Though we talked

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<v Speaker 2>about the Holy Week Uprising in another episode, very briefly,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a massive series of riots and uprisings that follow

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<v Speaker 2>the assassination of mart Luther King. There's a particularly bad

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<v Speaker 2>one in Chicago where Mayor Daily is so pissed off

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<v Speaker 2>that he goes on TV and gives a speech where

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<v Speaker 2>he tells his cops to shoot and maim people they

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<v Speaker 2>could accuse of.

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<v Speaker 5>Looting good stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, this goes over so badly that the

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<v Speaker 2>next day he's giving statements to the media saying he

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<v Speaker 2>never said this, but you know everyone saw him say it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm live to me, so yeah, but people, people are

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<v Speaker 2>terrified because this is a period where the cops.

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<v Speaker 3>Really will shoot into crowds.

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<v Speaker 2>So, you know, everyone in the planning phases of this,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I think most people broadly know how this

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<v Speaker 2>turns out, which is there's a bunch of street fighting

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<v Speaker 2>to police attack people. But none of the planners wanted that.

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<v Speaker 2>They were very, very deliberately trying to make sure there

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<v Speaker 2>weren't confrontations with the police, because, as it turns out,

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<v Speaker 2>these people are staggeringly unprepared for a confrontation with the cops.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna read a quote from the very good book

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<v Speaker 2>Chicago sixty eight, which is a politically it's a bit questionable,

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<v Speaker 2>but it has an excruciatingly in depth account of these

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<v Speaker 2>I mean we're talking hour to hour rundowns of the

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<v Speaker 2>convention itself. You know, very well documented accounts of all

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<v Speaker 2>of the meetings that produce this. So I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>read a quote this is about MO about their preparation

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<v Speaker 2>for the Chicago D and C protests.

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<v Speaker 3>Quote.

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<v Speaker 2>Some even wanted to warn perspective protesters that they should

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<v Speaker 2>bring protective clothing like helmets, bulky sweaters, and Ben Dan

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<v Speaker 2>Effertier gas, but it was decided that this might overly

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<v Speaker 2>alarm would be protesters. Great Now, again, this is MOBE.

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<v Speaker 2>They are supposed to be the serious organizers here, right.

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<v Speaker 2>The other group that we're going to talk about the Yippies, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>compared to the Yippies, these guys look like shock troopers,

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<v Speaker 2>and this is how unprepared they are.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, Like, looking at this from.

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<v Speaker 2>Our perspective, these people are dangerous amateurs. They have no

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<v Speaker 2>idea what they're doing. They don't understand how to deal

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<v Speaker 2>with police at all. One of the other things that

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<v Speaker 2>happens is this is one of the first and early

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<v Speaker 2>deployment of so CS tear gas, right, And they have

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<v Speaker 2>a guy who'd been drafted into Vietnam was become a

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<v Speaker 2>Special Forces guy, who would you know, after we got out,

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<v Speaker 2>have become a leftist and he's telling them about this

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<v Speaker 2>gas and he's saying, yeah, we need to talk to

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<v Speaker 2>the So they were thinking that's going on here is

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<v Speaker 2>you can tell how early this is into the cycle

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<v Speaker 2>because they don't have dedicated to street medics. They have

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<v Speaker 2>basically a nurses association at doctor's association that they've gotten

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<v Speaker 2>to go get feel a better OG which is not bad, right,

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<v Speaker 2>but no, I mean that's great, but people need to

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<v Speaker 2>be aware of what they're getting into, and then the

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<v Speaker 2>medical places need to be aware of how they can

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<v Speaker 2>mitigate that. And the most people overrule this guy and

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<v Speaker 2>saying no, we're not going to tell the medical people

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<v Speaker 2>about the sort of solution thing he's talking about to

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<v Speaker 2>neutralize this gas. Right, these people are just staggeringly unprepared

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<v Speaker 2>for an actual police confrontation. And something you have to

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<v Speaker 2>keep in mind about about nineteen sixty eight America, right,

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<v Speaker 2>is that we have a very different sort of outlook

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<v Speaker 2>on the police and how you deal with the police

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<v Speaker 2>than these people.

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<v Speaker 5>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>We come from basically the decade of the street fight

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<v Speaker 2>since Occupy twenty eleven and really intensifying and Ferguson in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty fourteen. There has been a straight decade between conversations

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<v Speaker 2>and the police. If you were out in the most

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<v Speaker 2>intense parts of twenty twenty, and statistically, if you're listening

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<v Speaker 2>to this show, you probably at least were out there

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit.

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<v Speaker 3>You have seen shit that these kids, like.

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<v Speaker 2>I call them kids, right, these people are in the

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<v Speaker 2>twenties and thirties, but you have seen shit that these

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<v Speaker 2>people cannot even imagine.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're looking back from our perspective, right, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>with the experience with the police that we have, you

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<v Speaker 2>can look back in the people and you could instantly

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<v Speaker 2>tell that they're going to get claubered. One of the

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<v Speaker 2>things I'm trying to do is they're trying to copy

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<v Speaker 2>some of the techniques from the Japanese student movement, which

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<v Speaker 2>is an infamously very probably the.

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<v Speaker 3>Best street fight in the world.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and they're trying to copy their techniques and they

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<v Speaker 2>can't do it. And they're trying to do the snake

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<v Speaker 2>line thing to break police lines. They're all falling over

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<v Speaker 2>and so it's very it's very clear from art perspective

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<v Speaker 2>to this is going to be a fiasco. But these

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<v Speaker 2>people think that they understand how to manage the police.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean, the state's capacity for violence has increased

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<v Speaker 4>exponentially since then, Like you could kind of stand up

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<v Speaker 4>to the cops just by by staying in the streets,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, to a degree, I think it's probably this

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<v Speaker 4>is the beginning of the state sort of moving towards

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<v Speaker 4>arming itself to deny people access to public space in

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<v Speaker 4>that fashion, right, which we saw like if you grew

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<v Speaker 4>up at the time I did in Genoa, in Prague

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<v Speaker 4>and these g eight Summits, Kanku, all the different ones

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<v Speaker 4>right at Octorada, Like I think that was the beginning

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<v Speaker 4>maybe of like modern crowd control policing. But yeah, these yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>this is a different world to the one we are

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<v Speaker 4>in now.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and they don't you know, and there's this this

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<v Speaker 2>is the beginning of the modern world, right, but they

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<v Speaker 2>haven't seen it yet.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, there's any one way to a really experience that stuff. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>you have to go through it.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're going to take an ad break and when

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<v Speaker 2>we come back, we are going to get to the Yippies,

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<v Speaker 2>the other group that's protesting at this convention, right, and

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<v Speaker 2>we are back from the advertisements that the Yippies would

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<v Speaker 2>have loved hijacking. So the Yippies are another group that

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<v Speaker 2>we don't have anything really like this today Because this

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<v Speaker 2>is the year twenty twenty four.

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<v Speaker 3>Everyone kind of smokes.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean not everyone, but people just kind of smoke weed,

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<v Speaker 2>right all the time.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it's pretty normal.

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<v Speaker 3>But in c eight this is.

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<v Speaker 2>Really not that we're mob are very very explicit political people, right,

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<v Speaker 2>capital P politics, you know, communists, socialists, some like sort

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<v Speaker 2>of left liberals, progressives, et cetera. There, and they're very

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<v Speaker 2>clearly doing politics conventionally. The Yippies are a counterculture group.

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<v Speaker 2>It's this mix of people who are political radicals to

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<v Speaker 2>get caught up in sort of this counterculture stuff. And

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<v Speaker 2>then a lot of them are just kind of counterculture

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<v Speaker 2>people who mostly just sort of want sex, drugs and

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<v Speaker 2>rock and roll, but see this as the way to

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<v Speaker 2>sort of resist the sort of death machine that they

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<v Speaker 2>see themselves as living in.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I think this is the time people start talking

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<v Speaker 4>about the MARCUSI in great refusal a lot in nineteen

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<v Speaker 4>sixty eight, right, and then kind of people going big

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<v Speaker 4>different directions with that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, altho, these people are We'll get into this more

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<v Speaker 3>in a second. These people are not very theoretically sophisticated.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, right, I'm not reading Old Herbert.

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<v Speaker 2>They are stoned out of their minds at literally all times,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. And so yippie is a term that didn't

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<v Speaker 2>exist before the sixty eight Convention. It was developed specifically

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<v Speaker 2>as part of a plan to do a sort of

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<v Speaker 2>protest thing, as this rallying cry of yippee against the

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<v Speaker 2>sort of death machine of of the Democratic National Convention,

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<v Speaker 2>which everyone thought was going to nominate LBJA to do

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<v Speaker 2>more firebombing of Vietnam. And so their plan is, and

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<v Speaker 2>this is something that you can still see kind of

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<v Speaker 2>reflections of in some Ish modern movements, so though we

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<v Speaker 2>don't do it as much anymore, but their plan was

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<v Speaker 2>to have this sort of festival of life to counterpose

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<v Speaker 2>against the DNC's festival of death. They were going to

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<v Speaker 2>have a bunch of singers and people were just going

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<v Speaker 2>to like have public sex. And their thesis of how

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<v Speaker 2>they're trying to do this is to hijack the sort

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<v Speaker 2>of mass medium machine, which they see as the kind

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<v Speaker 2>of defining element of modern society, right is the element

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<v Speaker 2>of sort of totalitarian and social control, and their plan

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<v Speaker 2>is to hijack it for fur their own purposes. This

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<v Speaker 2>is superficially similar to something you see from the French

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<v Speaker 2>sixty eight ters, who have sort of, by the time

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<v Speaker 2>this is happening, have done a revolution that doesn't quite

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<v Speaker 2>work well. We'll cover on the show at some point.

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<v Speaker 2>And the French sixty eight ters, both students and the

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<v Speaker 2>workers who very very nearly take control of France, are

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<v Speaker 2>heavily influenced by a theorist named Guide to Board and

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<v Speaker 2>his sort of ubiquitous book The Society is Spectacle, and

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<v Speaker 2>superficially these are very similar things, but de Board's analysis

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<v Speaker 2>is a technologically sort of ideologically sophisticated analysis of social relations.

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<v Speaker 2>And again, the Yippies are contrary to that stone out

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<v Speaker 2>of their minds at literally all times.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah yeah, they're doing like t moo dot com guidable. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, so I'm going to read back to back a line,

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<v Speaker 2>an average line from Guide to Board Society a Spectacle,

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<v Speaker 2>and then I'm going to give you a quote from

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<v Speaker 2>an Abby Hoffman, who's one of the people who invents

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<v Speaker 2>the term Yippium, to give a quote from one of

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<v Speaker 2>his speeches at the sixty eight convention. So here is

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<v Speaker 2>an average Guide to Board Society Aspectacle line.

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<v Speaker 3>Quote.

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<v Speaker 2>The spectacle is the existing order's uninterrupted discourse about itself.

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<v Speaker 2>It's laudatory monologue. It is the self portrait of power

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<v Speaker 2>in the epoch because it's totalitarian management of conditions of existence.

0:19:01.480 --> 0:19:06.239
<v Speaker 2>The fetishistic, purely objective appearance. The spectacular relations conceal the

0:19:06.240 --> 0:19:09.800
<v Speaker 2>fact that their relations among men in classes. Second nature,

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<v Speaker 2>with its fatal law, seems to dominate our environments.

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<v Speaker 3>But the spectacle is not the.

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<v Speaker 2>Necessary product of technical development, seen as a natural development.

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<v Speaker 2>The society of the spectacle is, on the contrary, the

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<v Speaker 2>form which chooses its own technical content. So this is,

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<v Speaker 2>this is, This is what the people that this is

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<v Speaker 2>what the sixty eight is in France are reading. Here

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<v Speaker 2>is yippie founder Abbie Hoffman. This is This is in

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<v Speaker 2>a speech. While he would call it a rap or something,

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<v Speaker 2>but this is in a rambling that he gives to

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<v Speaker 2>a crowd at a sixty eight convention. Meet the press,

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<v Speaker 2>face the nation, issues and answers all those bullshit shows.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you get a Democrat and a Republican arguing

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<v Speaker 2>back and forward, this and that, this and yeah yeah yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>But at the end of the show, nobody changes their

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<v Speaker 2>fucking mind, you see. But they're trying to push Brillo.

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<v Speaker 2>You see. That's good. You want to use Brillo. See

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<v Speaker 2>in about every ten minutes on will come three minutes

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<v Speaker 2>of Brillo. Brillow is a revolution, Brillow is sex, Brillo

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<v Speaker 2>is fun, Brillo is At the end of the show,

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<v Speaker 2>people late fucking switching from Democrat or Republican or commis

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<v Speaker 2>you know the right wingers ready of that shit?

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<v Speaker 3>They're buying Brillo. I mean, can you imagine if they

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<v Speaker 3>had the Beatles gain zing zing zing, all that jump

0:20:19.280 --> 0:20:20.880
<v Speaker 3>and shout, you know, and all of a sudden they

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<v Speaker 3>put an ad where this guy comes on very straight.

0:20:23.160 --> 0:20:26.200
<v Speaker 3>You ought to buy Brillo because it's the rationally correct decision.

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<v Speaker 3>Part of the American process is the right way to

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<v Speaker 3>do things. You know. Fuck, they'll buy the Beatles, they

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<v Speaker 3>won't buy Brillow.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is a semi incomprehensible rat right, this is

0:20:39.200 --> 0:20:41.800
<v Speaker 2>this just goes on and in the middle of this

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<v Speaker 2>kind of semi incohre intentionally semi incoherent nonsense, is is

0:20:46.680 --> 0:20:49.600
<v Speaker 2>this point about how the thing that changes people's minds

0:20:49.680 --> 0:20:53.400
<v Speaker 2>is advertising, right, and not not the sort of business

0:20:53.400 --> 0:20:56.439
<v Speaker 2>of politics as usual. It's this sort of performance spectacle

0:20:56.560 --> 0:20:58.280
<v Speaker 2>that is that is the real thing that like shit

0:20:58.359 --> 0:21:02.399
<v Speaker 2>that actually changes how people think. These are performance artists, right,

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<v Speaker 2>Alan Ginsberg, sort of famous beat Poe is was one

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<v Speaker 2>of the people who's going to be speaking there. He's

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<v Speaker 2>writing sort of, he's writing poetry about it. The people

0:21:09.880 --> 0:21:12.080
<v Speaker 2>are doing theater performances. If you've seen like the giant

0:21:12.119 --> 0:21:14.840
<v Speaker 2>puppets that used to be at Big protest that was

0:21:14.920 --> 0:21:17.480
<v Speaker 2>kind of a descendant of this stuff. Oh yeah, And

0:21:17.880 --> 0:21:21.080
<v Speaker 2>these performance artists are sitting out to hijack the biggest

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<v Speaker 2>stage in the world and turn it against the war.

0:21:23.600 --> 0:21:28.480
<v Speaker 2>And that stage is the nineteen sixty eight Democratic Convention. Unfortunately, however,

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<v Speaker 2>if there's one group in the US who is even

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<v Speaker 2>less prepared for a street fight than MOB, is it

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<v Speaker 2>is the Yippies. The Yippies, you know, at least the

0:21:39.160 --> 0:21:42.200
<v Speaker 2>more radical members of MOB have pretensions of street fighting.

0:21:42.280 --> 0:21:46.760
<v Speaker 2>The Yippies are not street fighters at all. And this

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<v Speaker 2>is something that's distinct from most of the sixty eight

0:21:49.320 --> 0:21:53.440
<v Speaker 2>upris Most of the sixty eight uprisings everywhere are characterized

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<v Speaker 2>by people who are very very good at this. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>and these protesters fight very well. I mean, the most

0:21:58.400 --> 0:21:59.840
<v Speaker 2>famous ones we've talked about it a little bit are

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<v Speaker 2>right or of the Japanese student movements who have this

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<v Speaker 2>sort of iconic white construction hats, these giant wooden polls.

0:22:05.520 --> 0:22:09.199
<v Speaker 2>They used to literally fight riot police at rage. But

0:22:09.280 --> 0:22:11.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, students, workers, and just like random people off

0:22:11.480 --> 0:22:13.959
<v Speaker 2>the street everywhere from Italy to France to Pakistan are

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<v Speaker 2>able to fight the police on fairly even footing.

0:22:16.440 --> 0:22:19.600
<v Speaker 3>They equit themselves valiantly. The yippie is, on the.

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<v Speaker 2>Other hand, every single time they come into contact with

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<v Speaker 2>the police, they get absolutely bald And you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>pre DNC Yippie protests are extremely peaceful, right, You're not

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<v Speaker 2>even disruptive. They have permits, and the police just batter them.

0:22:35.000 --> 0:22:38.399
<v Speaker 2>And this is kind of the plan, right. The police

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<v Speaker 2>attacks are generating media coverage, and the yippies are trying

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<v Speaker 2>to hijack this media coverage to spread their message, and

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<v Speaker 2>this kind of works to some extent. Part of the problem, though,

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<v Speaker 2>is that one of the biggest newspapers in Chicago is

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<v Speaker 2>Chicago Tribune, who are a kind of reactionary that I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess we still have them, but this is the

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<v Speaker 2>kind of magazine that would have been right there with

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<v Speaker 2>the economists saying that like all of the Irish dying

0:23:03.800 --> 0:23:07.320
<v Speaker 2>was good. Right, That's the kind of like when the

0:23:07.359 --> 0:23:09.200
<v Speaker 2>British kill him with the famine, right, Like this is

0:23:09.240 --> 0:23:12.400
<v Speaker 2>the kind of kind of reactionary that that.

0:23:12.359 --> 0:23:13.600
<v Speaker 3>The Chicago Tribune is.

0:23:13.640 --> 0:23:15.800
<v Speaker 2>And so some of their protest hijacking stuff doesn't really

0:23:15.800 --> 0:23:18.919
<v Speaker 2>work in Chicago because you'll have these protests where just

0:23:18.960 --> 0:23:21.439
<v Speaker 2>the Tribune shows up, and if the Tribune shows up,

0:23:21.560 --> 0:23:24.640
<v Speaker 2>the coverage of the cops just absolutely beating the crap

0:23:24.680 --> 0:23:26.280
<v Speaker 2>out of a bunch of people who were just walking

0:23:26.280 --> 0:23:29.240
<v Speaker 2>on sidewalks is going to be something like did the

0:23:29.440 --> 0:23:34.239
<v Speaker 2>police defeat unruly demonstrators or something? Before before we go

0:23:34.280 --> 0:23:36.360
<v Speaker 2>any further, and by any further, we're gonna talk about

0:23:36.359 --> 0:23:38.320
<v Speaker 2>how these Jews relate to each other, and oh boy,

0:23:39.200 --> 0:23:41.400
<v Speaker 2>we need to go to the thing the Yipians would

0:23:41.400 --> 0:23:44.080
<v Speaker 2>have been hijacking, which is these products and services we're

0:23:44.080 --> 0:23:46.720
<v Speaker 2>continuing in their noble tradition by using their money to

0:23:46.760 --> 0:23:55.960
<v Speaker 2>do this episode.

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<v Speaker 3>We are back.

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<v Speaker 2>So something that I think is very interesting about these

0:24:03.000 --> 0:24:04.959
<v Speaker 2>two groups. That is the final thing that you kind

0:24:05.000 --> 0:24:09.520
<v Speaker 2>of have to understand about why these protests go the

0:24:09.560 --> 0:24:11.840
<v Speaker 2>way they do. I've talked a bit about how sort

0:24:11.840 --> 0:24:14.359
<v Speaker 2>of the more radical parts of mob and the yippies

0:24:14.400 --> 0:24:17.440
<v Speaker 2>who are very radical are are kind of being isolated

0:24:17.440 --> 0:24:19.200
<v Speaker 2>from the more moderate elements right, and this is part

0:24:19.240 --> 0:24:23.640
<v Speaker 2>of Mayor Daily's deliberate strategy. Daily is the all powerful

0:24:23.640 --> 0:24:25.600
<v Speaker 2>mayor of Chicago. He's one of the sort of the

0:24:25.640 --> 0:24:29.040
<v Speaker 2>builders of America's greatest ever political machine, which is the

0:24:29.119 --> 0:24:32.960
<v Speaker 2>Chicago Machine. By this point, he has single hand almost

0:24:32.960 --> 0:24:36.600
<v Speaker 2>single handedly like one elections for the Democratic Party by

0:24:36.600 --> 0:24:39.280
<v Speaker 2>handing them Illinois on a platter. He is the guy,

0:24:39.440 --> 0:24:41.560
<v Speaker 2>one of the people who turns Illinois from a swing

0:24:41.560 --> 0:24:44.119
<v Speaker 2>state into a state that votes for Democrats by Noah's

0:24:44.119 --> 0:24:47.359
<v Speaker 2>margins every single year. And he does this through this

0:24:47.560 --> 0:24:52.159
<v Speaker 2>incredibly powerful patriotish network and corruption network. And Daily's deliberate

0:24:52.200 --> 0:24:54.840
<v Speaker 2>strategy is trying to sort of separate He's trying to

0:24:54.880 --> 0:24:56.840
<v Speaker 2>knock the moderate out of the protests by threatening that

0:24:56.880 --> 0:25:00.000
<v Speaker 2>he's going to just like obliterate these people right by,

0:25:00.000 --> 0:25:02.960
<v Speaker 2>and also by continuously denying them permits so that certain

0:25:02.960 --> 0:25:05.760
<v Speaker 2>more water people won't show up, And so the plan

0:25:05.840 --> 0:25:08.359
<v Speaker 2>is basically isolate them. And part of the other reason

0:25:08.359 --> 0:25:12.879
<v Speaker 2>why this works is that this whole plan is opposed

0:25:13.080 --> 0:25:16.320
<v Speaker 2>by a group you wouldn't really expect to be opposing it,

0:25:16.359 --> 0:25:21.320
<v Speaker 2>which is the Communists CPUSA wants nothing to do with this.

0:25:21.400 --> 0:25:24.439
<v Speaker 2>Even the SWP socials workers parties, who are the Trotzkyites

0:25:24.800 --> 0:25:27.879
<v Speaker 2>who have very important roles in MOB they're part of

0:25:27.880 --> 0:25:30.240
<v Speaker 2>a faction that doesn't want to do the DNC convention

0:25:30.400 --> 0:25:33.520
<v Speaker 2>going in And this is something you see all over

0:25:33.720 --> 0:25:38.119
<v Speaker 2>nineteen sixty eight because weirdly, the communist parties in sixty

0:25:38.119 --> 0:25:41.520
<v Speaker 2>eight are a very conservative force. This is something that

0:25:41.560 --> 0:25:44.440
<v Speaker 2>we've talked about on the show before. In places like Chile,

0:25:44.720 --> 0:25:47.840
<v Speaker 2>you have fairly moderate Christian Democratic workers going into the

0:25:47.840 --> 0:25:50.680
<v Speaker 2>streets and meanwhile the Chilean Communist Party is going, no,

0:25:50.680 --> 0:25:51.280
<v Speaker 2>no hold on.

0:25:51.280 --> 0:25:53.000
<v Speaker 3>We must slow the pace of reforms.

0:25:54.160 --> 0:25:55.320
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, this isn't it.

0:25:55.440 --> 0:25:57.720
<v Speaker 2>And you know that's even more mild example than what

0:25:57.760 --> 0:25:59.879
<v Speaker 2>happens in France, where the French Communist Party blows its

0:26:00.119 --> 0:26:02.680
<v Speaker 2>one shot of ever taking power by straight up working

0:26:02.760 --> 0:26:04.560
<v Speaker 2>with the government to stamp out the MA sixty eight

0:26:04.640 --> 0:26:05.280
<v Speaker 2>uprisings there.

0:26:05.320 --> 0:26:05.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:26:06.000 --> 0:26:09.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, these old left parties are very conservative, both because

0:26:09.600 --> 0:26:12.040
<v Speaker 2>you know, on an international level, because some of them

0:26:12.080 --> 0:26:14.240
<v Speaker 2>are in the sort of common tern orbit, right, so

0:26:14.440 --> 0:26:17.000
<v Speaker 2>they're taking orders directly from Moscow and Moscow doesn't want

0:26:17.000 --> 0:26:20.000
<v Speaker 2>any disruption, right, And in the US, a lot of

0:26:20.040 --> 0:26:23.680
<v Speaker 2>the older activists don't want confrontation because they're all still

0:26:23.840 --> 0:26:26.919
<v Speaker 2>petrified of the Red Scare, and so they're terrified of

0:26:27.000 --> 0:26:30.600
<v Speaker 2>anything that could like even sort of alienate a single person.

0:26:30.960 --> 0:26:34.119
<v Speaker 2>And this means that to some extent, all Mob and

0:26:34.160 --> 0:26:36.320
<v Speaker 2>the Yippies really have over each other. But the problem

0:26:36.359 --> 0:26:39.520
<v Speaker 2>is the Mob and the Yippies hate each other. That's

0:26:39.520 --> 0:26:40.560
<v Speaker 2>the Tennis Odust time.

0:26:40.880 --> 0:26:42.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's it's amazing.

0:26:42.080 --> 0:26:44.119
<v Speaker 2>And again this is something that like all of the

0:26:44.160 --> 0:26:46.879
<v Speaker 2>mode people agree about which they agree about nothing. The

0:26:46.920 --> 0:26:48.679
<v Speaker 2>only thing they agree about is they don't even they

0:26:48.720 --> 0:26:51.720
<v Speaker 2>don't even agree about fully demanding an end to the

0:26:51.800 --> 0:26:55.560
<v Speaker 2>Vietnam War, right, They don't agree with anything except they

0:26:55.560 --> 0:26:58.720
<v Speaker 2>hate the Yippies because they see the Yippies as these

0:26:58.760 --> 0:27:02.919
<v Speaker 2>like deeply unseerious bourgeois degenerates who are just having sex

0:27:03.040 --> 0:27:06.359
<v Speaker 2>and doing drugs that are just literally the same culture

0:27:06.359 --> 0:27:09.680
<v Speaker 2>that they're trying to resist. The yipc mode has sort

0:27:09.720 --> 0:27:12.160
<v Speaker 2>of self righteous assholes who are locked in this death

0:27:12.200 --> 0:27:14.960
<v Speaker 2>spiral of comically serious politics that are also just a

0:27:15.000 --> 0:27:19.720
<v Speaker 2>reflection of the thing they're opposing. So, you know, both

0:27:19.760 --> 0:27:21.760
<v Speaker 2>of these people take the same things about each other.

0:27:22.720 --> 0:27:26.280
<v Speaker 2>But meanwhile, both of these groups and really everyone else

0:27:26.280 --> 0:27:28.199
<v Speaker 2>in the US is going to have to ride the

0:27:28.240 --> 0:27:33.040
<v Speaker 2>wildest wave of vibe shifts in the entirety of American history. So,

0:27:33.200 --> 0:27:36.320
<v Speaker 2>all right, we kind of famously had our vibe shift

0:27:36.520 --> 0:27:39.480
<v Speaker 2>when Biden dropped out and everyone was like, whoa hold on,

0:27:39.640 --> 0:27:40.960
<v Speaker 2>better things are possible?

0:27:41.400 --> 0:27:43.639
<v Speaker 5>Question mark, Yeah, question.

0:27:43.840 --> 0:27:46.120
<v Speaker 2>There's also a vibe shift in sixty eight when when

0:27:46.240 --> 0:27:47.199
<v Speaker 2>LBJ drops out.

0:27:47.280 --> 0:27:48.160
<v Speaker 3>It's March thirty first.

0:27:48.200 --> 0:27:51.639
<v Speaker 2>But there are key differences here though, Right, Barden has

0:27:51.640 --> 0:27:55.280
<v Speaker 2>already won the nomination right by the time that he

0:27:55.359 --> 0:27:57.719
<v Speaker 2>is forced out, and when he is forced out, there

0:27:57.800 --> 0:28:00.640
<v Speaker 2>is great rejoicing. Everyone's really happy about. Even the old

0:28:00.640 --> 0:28:03.280
<v Speaker 2>Biden stalle warts immediately fall on line behind Kamal Harris.

0:28:03.400 --> 0:28:06.840
<v Speaker 4>Right, yeah, right, that Biden's wins account changed his name.

0:28:08.000 --> 0:28:12.439
<v Speaker 3>Yeah right. Sixty eight is much much bessier than that.

0:28:13.040 --> 0:28:16.919
<v Speaker 2>LBJ doesn't drop out until he almost loses a he

0:28:16.920 --> 0:28:20.160
<v Speaker 2>almost think it's the New Hampshire primary to anti war

0:28:20.280 --> 0:28:23.400
<v Speaker 2>candidate Eugene McCarthy, not to be confused with the other McCarthy.

0:28:23.480 --> 0:28:25.680
<v Speaker 2>I was really baffled the first time I just saw

0:28:25.680 --> 0:28:29.640
<v Speaker 2>people talking about McCarthy. I was like, what wait, hold on, Yeah,

0:28:28.920 --> 0:28:34.240
<v Speaker 2>this is anti war stal warts Senator Eugene McCarthy, and

0:28:34.560 --> 0:28:39.200
<v Speaker 2>McCarthy almost beating LBJ in a very conservative state really

0:28:39.320 --> 0:28:43.320
<v Speaker 2>sort of lights this fire under LBJ. And LBJ realizes

0:28:43.360 --> 0:28:46.720
<v Speaker 2>that he could win the nomination, but if he does that,

0:28:46.840 --> 0:28:50.280
<v Speaker 2>he's going to lose General Lushion, so he books it

0:28:50.360 --> 0:28:53.640
<v Speaker 2>and drops out. When LBJ drops out, there's a competitive primary.

0:28:53.640 --> 0:28:56.560
<v Speaker 2>The other reason the primary is competitive is that RFK

0:28:57.880 --> 0:29:00.200
<v Speaker 2>takes this as his shining moment and goes, I am

0:29:00.240 --> 0:29:02.520
<v Speaker 2>going to enter the race as the anti war candidate.

0:29:04.160 --> 0:29:07.560
<v Speaker 2>Now we now have our tragedy as farce RFK.

0:29:09.960 --> 0:29:12.800
<v Speaker 4>Gee jesus, Yeah, just to be clear if people aren't familiar,

0:29:12.880 --> 0:29:16.560
<v Speaker 4>not the same dude, No, no different, Bobby Kennedy.

0:29:17.040 --> 0:29:18.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this is RFK.

0:29:19.320 --> 0:29:23.160
<v Speaker 2>RFK really is seen as as a guy, and but

0:29:23.200 --> 0:29:25.520
<v Speaker 2>both hum and McCarthy are seen by young people who

0:29:25.520 --> 0:29:27.960
<v Speaker 2>have been disillusioned by LBJ as someone who can you

0:29:28.000 --> 0:29:31.360
<v Speaker 2>can sort of like take this anti war platform national right,

0:29:32.000 --> 0:29:35.040
<v Speaker 2>and there is a massive vibe shift for a moment,

0:29:35.160 --> 0:29:37.960
<v Speaker 2>there is hope. And this is a real problem for

0:29:38.000 --> 0:29:40.480
<v Speaker 2>the anti war fashions because this kind of thing is

0:29:40.520 --> 0:29:42.640
<v Speaker 2>exactly how the US got into this mess in the

0:29:42.680 --> 0:29:47.200
<v Speaker 2>first place. LBJ ran this same con in sixty four, Yeah, exactly,

0:29:47.240 --> 0:29:50.240
<v Speaker 2>and then got leck. It immediately made the war worse. So,

0:29:50.520 --> 0:29:52.840
<v Speaker 2>you know, I think there's a tendency to look back

0:29:52.960 --> 0:29:55.120
<v Speaker 2>on the anti war protesters as these sort of like

0:29:55.320 --> 0:29:59.280
<v Speaker 2>spoiler people who ruin the democratic nomination or whatever. But

0:29:59.480 --> 0:30:02.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, they were right to a large extent to

0:30:02.440 --> 0:30:06.200
<v Speaker 2>be incredibly suspicious of anti war democratic candidates. Yeah, but

0:30:06.320 --> 0:30:08.560
<v Speaker 2>you know, this also throws all of the planning for

0:30:08.640 --> 0:30:10.760
<v Speaker 2>the protests and the chaos, because the center point of

0:30:10.800 --> 0:30:13.360
<v Speaker 2>the protest for both mob and the Yippies was to

0:30:13.400 --> 0:30:16.280
<v Speaker 2>show an alternative to this sort of stagnant war upon

0:30:16.440 --> 0:30:19.280
<v Speaker 2>death machine politics LBJ. But suddenly, like if there's a

0:30:19.360 --> 0:30:21.640
<v Speaker 2>if there's an anti war candidate who's a nominee, it

0:30:21.680 --> 0:30:24.200
<v Speaker 2>becomes so much harder to make this case. And these

0:30:24.240 --> 0:30:28.120
<v Speaker 2>people are really unbelievably depressed. The vibes everywhere else in

0:30:28.160 --> 0:30:30.840
<v Speaker 2>the country are great. Everyone believes in hope again, it's

0:30:30.880 --> 0:30:35.840
<v Speaker 2>hope and change. So they have Obama and then RFK

0:30:35.920 --> 0:30:41.680
<v Speaker 2>gets assassinated. Everything goes to shit almost immediately. I mean,

0:30:41.720 --> 0:30:44.040
<v Speaker 2>the vibes are so bad that famously, one of the

0:30:44.240 --> 0:30:47.200
<v Speaker 2>one of the mob guys, I think he's on camera

0:30:48.000 --> 0:30:50.840
<v Speaker 2>just weeping because I mean, and he and Boby Kennedy

0:30:50.880 --> 0:30:52.680
<v Speaker 2>had kind of had sort of known each other through

0:30:52.720 --> 0:30:55.000
<v Speaker 2>the sort of anti war networks, and he's not a

0:30:55.040 --> 0:30:59.480
<v Speaker 2>Kennedy supporter. But when Kennedy gets killed, it's basically imagine

0:30:59.520 --> 0:31:02.000
<v Speaker 2>our vibe shift immediately flipped at his head and went

0:31:02.160 --> 0:31:05.200
<v Speaker 2>even more rancid than it had been the feeling that

0:31:05.240 --> 0:31:11.400
<v Speaker 2>you all had in the week after the failed Trump assassination, right, yeah,

0:31:11.600 --> 0:31:13.800
<v Speaker 2>and you can see this is interesting, right, like all

0:31:13.880 --> 0:31:16.960
<v Speaker 2>of the elements of nineteen sixty eight are here in

0:31:17.040 --> 0:31:20.440
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty four. Right, you have your unpopular president leaving,

0:31:20.560 --> 0:31:23.080
<v Speaker 2>you have a vibe shift, you have a Kennedy, you

0:31:23.080 --> 0:31:27.320
<v Speaker 2>have an assassination attempt. But the pieces fit together differently

0:31:27.920 --> 0:31:31.080
<v Speaker 2>because what happens is, you know, the vibe shift collapses

0:31:31.120 --> 0:31:37.400
<v Speaker 2>with the RFK assassination, and suddenly you know, anti war's

0:31:37.480 --> 0:31:40.600
<v Speaker 2>back on the table. But on the other hand, McCarthy's

0:31:40.640 --> 0:31:43.040
<v Speaker 2>still in the race, right, Ujim McCarthy, who's the other

0:31:43.080 --> 0:31:47.720
<v Speaker 2>anti war candidate, is still in the race. However, it

0:31:47.800 --> 0:31:51.360
<v Speaker 2>is becoming increasingly clear that what is going to happen

0:31:51.400 --> 0:31:53.600
<v Speaker 2>at the convention is that Eugene McCarthy is going to

0:31:53.600 --> 0:31:57.000
<v Speaker 2>get rat fucked, and they are going to put Hubert Humphrey,

0:31:57.120 --> 0:32:00.840
<v Speaker 2>who is lbj's vice president, back in the saddle under

0:32:00.840 --> 0:32:05.040
<v Speaker 2>the same policies. And this too is a sort of

0:32:05.760 --> 0:32:09.880
<v Speaker 2>inversion of twenty twenty four. The party elites ousting Biden

0:32:09.920 --> 0:32:14.280
<v Speaker 2>and installing Kamala. Harris is broadly unbelievably popular with the base. Yeah,

0:32:14.400 --> 0:32:19.240
<v Speaker 2>Hubert Humphrey doesn't like run in primaries. She just wins

0:32:19.280 --> 0:32:21.760
<v Speaker 2>by rankling all the delegates to vote for him in

0:32:22.080 --> 0:32:25.680
<v Speaker 2>these this incredible series and sort of smoke filled backroom

0:32:25.760 --> 0:32:29.680
<v Speaker 2>deals and peeling off people who've been Kennedy delegates, and

0:32:29.800 --> 0:32:34.800
<v Speaker 2>it becomes clear that he's going to win. But it's

0:32:34.880 --> 0:32:39.479
<v Speaker 2>terrifying because what has happened is that the Democratic elite,

0:32:39.800 --> 0:32:42.920
<v Speaker 2>against the will of law of Democratic voters, has just

0:32:43.040 --> 0:32:45.800
<v Speaker 2>straight up stolen this election. Right they have they have

0:32:45.840 --> 0:32:47.800
<v Speaker 2>stolen it. They have rat fucked Eugene McCarthy.

0:32:48.200 --> 0:32:52.680
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, this is kind of like the Riot has unsuccessfully

0:32:52.720 --> 0:32:54.800
<v Speaker 4>tried to play this narrative again, right.

0:32:54.840 --> 0:32:56.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and again, the thing about Harris is that she

0:32:57.040 --> 0:32:59.640
<v Speaker 2>is seen as something different than Biden. Yeah, this is

0:32:59.680 --> 0:33:01.360
<v Speaker 2>this part actually has to do with the differences in

0:33:01.360 --> 0:33:02.960
<v Speaker 2>Biden's weakness versus lbj's.

0:33:03.040 --> 0:33:03.200
<v Speaker 1>Right.

0:33:03.560 --> 0:33:05.680
<v Speaker 2>A huge part of Biden's weakness that everyone thinks he's

0:33:05.680 --> 0:33:09.480
<v Speaker 2>completely senile. Yeah, because she is objectively senile.

0:33:09.840 --> 0:33:12.440
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, because he can't fucking certain together a sentence

0:33:12.480 --> 0:33:14.640
<v Speaker 4>yeah goes off, right, Not that Trump can.

0:33:14.840 --> 0:33:16.400
<v Speaker 2>No, not the Trump can either, right, but it was,

0:33:16.400 --> 0:33:19.200
<v Speaker 2>but Biden was sort of more visible, right, Yeah, because

0:33:19.240 --> 0:33:21.000
<v Speaker 2>of sort of the way the media works, because of

0:33:21.160 --> 0:33:22.960
<v Speaker 2>Trump's ability to sort of run away.

0:33:23.480 --> 0:33:24.600
<v Speaker 3>There's a lot of factors this, right.

0:33:24.720 --> 0:33:28.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, No one on Earth thinks that LBJ is seen now,

0:33:28.200 --> 0:33:29.960
<v Speaker 2>not even his worst enemies.

0:33:30.160 --> 0:33:32.280
<v Speaker 3>I think that that man is senile. Right.

0:33:32.640 --> 0:33:36.800
<v Speaker 2>His problem is his policies, And the problem with that

0:33:37.120 --> 0:33:40.440
<v Speaker 2>is that his policies are being transferred directly to his successor,

0:33:40.480 --> 0:33:43.160
<v Speaker 2>who is his vice president. Whereas Kamala Harris does not

0:33:43.400 --> 0:33:45.560
<v Speaker 2>have the fundamental weakness of Joe Biden, which is that

0:33:45.600 --> 0:33:48.320
<v Speaker 2>she successfully and she is the first major American political

0:33:48.320 --> 0:33:49.960
<v Speaker 2>figure he has been able to do this in eight years.

0:33:50.240 --> 0:33:54.160
<v Speaker 2>She can string together three consecutive sentences yeah.

0:33:53.840 --> 0:33:57.600
<v Speaker 4>Which, yeah, it appears like a manna from heaven to

0:33:57.680 --> 0:34:00.600
<v Speaker 4>the sort of politics appreciate a class is right when

0:34:00.600 --> 0:34:02.520
<v Speaker 4>they have to explain to all of us why we're

0:34:03.160 --> 0:34:06.320
<v Speaker 4>pure rad and juvenile of warning politics outside of politicians,

0:34:06.320 --> 0:34:10.080
<v Speaker 4>while their politicians are like struggling to do a whole

0:34:10.120 --> 0:34:13.279
<v Speaker 4>paragraph without talking about their corn pop or scratched in

0:34:13.320 --> 0:34:14.520
<v Speaker 4>Pennsylvania or something.

0:34:15.040 --> 0:34:18.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and so this is, you know, even as we're

0:34:18.719 --> 0:34:21.279
<v Speaker 2>heading into the convention, things are things are going to

0:34:21.280 --> 0:34:23.200
<v Speaker 2>be very different than they're going to play out now.

0:34:23.320 --> 0:34:26.359
<v Speaker 2>But there's one thing that is exactly the same. If

0:34:26.360 --> 0:34:30.680
<v Speaker 2>that is your cargo police department. No changes.

0:34:30.880 --> 0:34:35.839
<v Speaker 3>The only change is they are slightly slightly, not not significantly.

0:34:35.880 --> 0:34:38.000
<v Speaker 3>They are slightly less willing to say the ND word

0:34:38.000 --> 0:34:39.799
<v Speaker 3>in public, like a little bit.

0:34:40.040 --> 0:34:42.600
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and in return for that, they got approximately ten

0:34:42.719 --> 0:34:45.120
<v Speaker 4>million dollars of fucking weapons.

0:34:45.400 --> 0:34:47.960
<v Speaker 5>Yeah yeah, really up to you.

0:34:48.040 --> 0:34:50.920
<v Speaker 2>These people are exactly the same as today. They are

0:34:50.960 --> 0:34:53.400
<v Speaker 2>overpaid and titled asshole screaming for violence.

0:34:53.400 --> 0:34:54.080
<v Speaker 3>They are screaming it.

0:34:54.080 --> 0:34:56.080
<v Speaker 2>They're going to take their vengeance against what they see

0:34:56.080 --> 0:34:58.560
<v Speaker 2>as a leftist conspiracy to protect criminals and hand the

0:34:58.560 --> 0:35:03.080
<v Speaker 2>country to communists. They are precisely the swine who beat

0:35:03.120 --> 0:35:05.200
<v Speaker 2>us in the streets in twenty twenty. These people in

0:35:05.239 --> 0:35:08.279
<v Speaker 2>sixty eight are precisely the men today who ran a

0:35:08.320 --> 0:35:11.000
<v Speaker 2>black site at Homan Square to torture, to disappear, and

0:35:11.080 --> 0:35:14.040
<v Speaker 2>torture suspects and the false confessions, and who boldly set

0:35:14.040 --> 0:35:16.400
<v Speaker 2>out a few years ago to kill a sixteen year

0:35:16.440 --> 0:35:18.759
<v Speaker 2>old with sixteen shots on a cover up. This is

0:35:18.800 --> 0:35:21.600
<v Speaker 2>the exact same Chicago Police department that it wasn't sixty eight,

0:35:22.040 --> 0:35:24.239
<v Speaker 2>and in fact, all of the key elements of the

0:35:24.239 --> 0:35:25.040
<v Speaker 2>modern police department.

0:35:25.040 --> 0:35:26.319
<v Speaker 3>This is the period. Richard M.

0:35:26.360 --> 0:35:28.000
<v Speaker 2>Daily is one of the people who gets the cops

0:35:28.080 --> 0:35:31.360
<v Speaker 2>to unionize, and again we're gonna see Daily is really

0:35:31.360 --> 0:35:34.560
<v Speaker 2>truly a terrible person. Daily wants the Teamsters to organize

0:35:34.600 --> 0:35:37.960
<v Speaker 2>the cops. That doesn't work at all. He's been completely fails.

0:35:38.000 --> 0:35:40.600
<v Speaker 2>They're organized by the Fraternal Order of Police, who are

0:35:40.719 --> 0:35:44.600
<v Speaker 2>just effectively a giant cartel for police murderers. Now and

0:35:44.640 --> 0:35:46.480
<v Speaker 2>they were at the time. There are a bunch of

0:35:46.600 --> 0:35:49.319
<v Speaker 2>unbelievable reaction areas. A bunch of their leaderships will do things.

0:35:49.239 --> 0:35:53.719
<v Speaker 4>Like quote Hitler, they just cal't fucking stump themselves.

0:35:54.120 --> 0:35:56.680
<v Speaker 2>No, Yeah, I want to read. I'm going to read

0:35:56.719 --> 0:36:00.400
<v Speaker 2>sort of the modern police statements. Quote, the better we

0:36:00.440 --> 0:36:02.600
<v Speaker 2>do our job of envoicing the law, the more we

0:36:02.640 --> 0:36:05.280
<v Speaker 2>are attacked. The state of our so called objective press

0:36:05.320 --> 0:36:09.320
<v Speaker 2>is sad to behold subtly too many so called objective

0:36:09.360 --> 0:36:12.600
<v Speaker 2>news writers attempt to excuse the actions of minorities. Oh wait,

0:36:12.800 --> 0:36:15.280
<v Speaker 2>that's not that's not the modern police, that's the sixty

0:36:15.280 --> 0:36:18.319
<v Speaker 2>eight police saying a thing that is literally identical to

0:36:18.640 --> 0:36:21.080
<v Speaker 2>every modern reallest statement today.

0:36:21.440 --> 0:36:23.520
<v Speaker 3>They're not changed at.

0:36:23.280 --> 0:36:25.520
<v Speaker 5>All, because no one made them.

0:36:26.320 --> 0:36:29.239
<v Speaker 2>No, this is sort of the trap that the anti

0:36:29.280 --> 0:36:31.720
<v Speaker 2>war people are walking into, right, They are walking into

0:36:31.960 --> 0:36:37.280
<v Speaker 2>a bunch of ultra radicalized, unbelievably pissed off cops who

0:36:37.480 --> 0:36:40.360
<v Speaker 2>are salivating at the attempt to sort of beat up

0:36:40.400 --> 0:36:43.319
<v Speaker 2>long haired hippies. And also, there's one thing we should

0:36:43.360 --> 0:36:46.240
<v Speaker 2>also make clear, that's that's very different between this anti

0:36:46.280 --> 0:36:50.080
<v Speaker 2>war movement and the modern one, which is that mob

0:36:50.400 --> 0:36:55.400
<v Speaker 2>and the yippies are terrifyingly white. They might be whiter

0:36:55.480 --> 0:36:59.920
<v Speaker 2>than the cops at this It's it's genuinely possible, that's true.

0:37:00.120 --> 0:37:03.279
<v Speaker 2>These love for reasons that are incomprehensible to be other

0:37:03.320 --> 0:37:07.400
<v Speaker 2>than racism. Absolutely love dressing up in like indigenous costumes.

0:37:07.960 --> 0:37:10.000
<v Speaker 5>Oh god, Yeah.

0:37:09.600 --> 0:37:10.440
<v Speaker 3>It's awful.

0:37:11.760 --> 0:37:13.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And part of what's going on is that the

0:37:13.680 --> 0:37:16.279
<v Speaker 2>sort of black radical groups don't really want to be

0:37:16.320 --> 0:37:18.840
<v Speaker 2>involved in this. Yeah, well can see why. You know,

0:37:18.880 --> 0:37:21.160
<v Speaker 2>they're anti war, but they're like, this is not our problem.

0:37:21.560 --> 0:37:22.759
<v Speaker 2>You can sort this out.

0:37:22.920 --> 0:37:23.280
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

0:37:23.280 --> 0:37:25.839
<v Speaker 2>And this is also another thing, a very very key

0:37:25.880 --> 0:37:29.560
<v Speaker 2>difference between that anti war sort of coalition and today's

0:37:29.560 --> 0:37:32.440
<v Speaker 2>because today's anti war coalition. If you go to any

0:37:32.440 --> 0:37:34.120
<v Speaker 2>of the campus occupations, right, you go to an anti

0:37:34.120 --> 0:37:36.400
<v Speaker 2>war protest, it's it's basically a combination of two of

0:37:36.480 --> 0:37:40.719
<v Speaker 2>two groups. Right, it's queer white people and just non

0:37:40.760 --> 0:37:42.800
<v Speaker 2>white people in general, some of whom are queer, with

0:37:42.880 --> 0:37:45.799
<v Speaker 2>some of whom aren't. And that's that's the core of

0:37:45.880 --> 0:37:47.840
<v Speaker 2>sort of protest organization of the US, Right, those are

0:37:47.840 --> 0:37:49.400
<v Speaker 2>the core of the people who show up, Yeah.

0:37:49.239 --> 0:37:52.120
<v Speaker 4>And then seventeen people with fucking clipboards trying to get

0:37:52.160 --> 0:37:54.080
<v Speaker 4>them to sign up for their various.

0:37:54.120 --> 0:37:56.799
<v Speaker 3>Well, those are the leaches that show up to sort

0:37:56.840 --> 0:37:58.759
<v Speaker 3>of pray on pray on the Yeah.

0:37:58.840 --> 0:38:03.040
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, they are the lamprey on the shock of protests.

0:38:03.280 --> 0:38:03.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:38:03.719 --> 0:38:07.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, But this plays out very differently politically because of

0:38:07.160 --> 0:38:10.200
<v Speaker 2>who has been mobilized into sort of anti war things

0:38:10.239 --> 0:38:12.840
<v Speaker 2>now versus who is showing up to this convention, And

0:38:12.840 --> 0:38:14.879
<v Speaker 2>this is going to be true of the people who

0:38:14.880 --> 0:38:17.719
<v Speaker 2>show up to the convention this time, right, Yeah, they

0:38:17.719 --> 0:38:20.200
<v Speaker 2>are very much not the same kind of sort of

0:38:20.760 --> 0:38:24.200
<v Speaker 2>middle class student people who were showing up to like

0:38:24.239 --> 0:38:26.000
<v Speaker 2>disconventional not all those people, but like there are a

0:38:26.000 --> 0:38:28.360
<v Speaker 2>lot of people who did workers, right, but like they're

0:38:28.719 --> 0:38:31.359
<v Speaker 2>distressingly white, and that is that is simply not true

0:38:31.360 --> 0:38:33.440
<v Speaker 2>of the modern movement. It's one of the reasons why

0:38:34.280 --> 0:38:37.080
<v Speaker 2>the pieces don't quite fit. All Right, we need to

0:38:37.080 --> 0:38:38.360
<v Speaker 2>go do some more ads and then we're going to

0:38:38.440 --> 0:38:40.760
<v Speaker 2>sort of wrap up what actually happened at the convention

0:38:40.920 --> 0:38:42.520
<v Speaker 2>and how it sort of shook out politically.

0:38:52.920 --> 0:38:57.480
<v Speaker 3>We are back. So the other thing that guarantees.

0:38:56.920 --> 0:38:58.640
<v Speaker 2>Really that this is going to descend into sort of

0:38:58.719 --> 0:39:03.200
<v Speaker 2>chaos is that, I mean, even days before the events, right,

0:39:03.480 --> 0:39:06.120
<v Speaker 2>neither the mode people nor the Yippies really know what

0:39:06.120 --> 0:39:06.960
<v Speaker 2>they're planning to do.

0:39:07.560 --> 0:39:08.800
<v Speaker 3>The planning has been terrible.

0:39:08.840 --> 0:39:10.840
<v Speaker 2>Part of it is because again they can't get permits

0:39:10.920 --> 0:39:13.919
<v Speaker 2>from the city, and it's really hard to plan when

0:39:13.960 --> 0:39:16.120
<v Speaker 2>you can't know what you're supposed to be doing. There's

0:39:16.120 --> 0:39:18.879
<v Speaker 2>also internal disagreements in the groups of what to do.

0:39:19.840 --> 0:39:24.960
<v Speaker 2>There's also a truly staggering federal infiltration, and not just

0:39:25.040 --> 0:39:30.200
<v Speaker 2>the normal feds, right, we're talking like military intelligence. Oh wow,

0:39:30.360 --> 0:39:33.920
<v Speaker 2>the like the Army's intelligence office is spying on protesters.

0:39:33.960 --> 0:39:37.880
<v Speaker 2>They have guys inside of McCarthy's campaign that.

0:39:37.880 --> 0:39:39.080
<v Speaker 3>Should not be legal.

0:39:40.120 --> 0:39:43.279
<v Speaker 4>It doesn't matter if it's legal, it doesn't, right, it's

0:39:43.320 --> 0:39:44.160
<v Speaker 4>but it's it's nuts.

0:39:44.200 --> 0:39:46.000
<v Speaker 2>And you know, I mean, there's an estimate that that's

0:39:46.320 --> 0:39:49.560
<v Speaker 2>from from Citi Chicago that book that one in six

0:39:49.640 --> 0:39:54.000
<v Speaker 2>protesters were informants of Fuck Me. It's like after Waffin

0:39:54.120 --> 0:39:55.360
<v Speaker 2>ratio they've got going up.

0:39:55.560 --> 0:39:56.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah.

0:39:56.120 --> 0:39:58.520
<v Speaker 2>And like part of this is the numbers of protesters

0:39:58.520 --> 0:40:00.560
<v Speaker 2>here aren't very good because people are or five the

0:40:00.560 --> 0:40:03.520
<v Speaker 2>CPD is going to start killing everyone. So the actual

0:40:03.719 --> 0:40:06.200
<v Speaker 2>number is even as peaks, maybe ten thousand, which is

0:40:06.200 --> 0:40:09.640
<v Speaker 2>pretty small considering that the Pentagon mobilization that mob had

0:40:09.640 --> 0:40:12.879
<v Speaker 2>done in sixty seven was like one hundred thousand people. Well, right,

0:40:12.920 --> 0:40:16.600
<v Speaker 2>they've been able to put together really massive protests, but

0:40:16.680 --> 0:40:20.319
<v Speaker 2>this one is not that large. So the Yippi's kind

0:40:20.360 --> 0:40:23.800
<v Speaker 2>of do their concert thing, but the moment night hits

0:40:23.840 --> 0:40:26.320
<v Speaker 2>and they're trying to be in this park. The police attack,

0:40:26.360 --> 0:40:29.680
<v Speaker 2>the police are incredibly brutal. By about three days in

0:40:29.760 --> 0:40:32.880
<v Speaker 2>the National Guard gets deployed. And this is something about

0:40:32.880 --> 0:40:35.320
<v Speaker 2>sixty eight that's also different from today. If the National

0:40:35.640 --> 0:40:40.759
<v Speaker 2>Guard is deployed today, it's not the same thing, no,

0:40:41.280 --> 0:40:44.160
<v Speaker 2>as as a national Guard deployment sixty eight, because the

0:40:44.200 --> 0:40:47.520
<v Speaker 2>National Guard deployment in sixty eight very well could mean

0:40:47.920 --> 0:40:50.359
<v Speaker 2>that the army is going to kill you, all right.

0:40:50.560 --> 0:40:53.919
<v Speaker 2>This is a period in which the National Guard, their

0:40:54.000 --> 0:40:57.040
<v Speaker 2>riot control mechanism is a line of guys with bayonets.

0:40:57.400 --> 0:41:00.000
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, he's to say that these bayonets a leslie.

0:41:00.719 --> 0:41:02.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I mean, and that's or less lethal because

0:41:02.680 --> 0:41:04.680
<v Speaker 2>when they're actually going lethal, and they've done this in

0:41:04.719 --> 0:41:06.600
<v Speaker 2>the past three or four years against a bunch of

0:41:06.640 --> 0:41:08.400
<v Speaker 2>the sort of black op risings have been happening, is

0:41:08.400 --> 0:41:09.200
<v Speaker 2>they just shoot people.

0:41:09.400 --> 0:41:11.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah right, they straight up kill them. This happened in Chicago.

0:41:12.000 --> 0:41:14.040
<v Speaker 2>That was more of the cops the National Guard because

0:41:14.320 --> 0:41:16.799
<v Speaker 2>read Holy Week, they were sort of told to stand down.

0:41:16.800 --> 0:41:19.480
<v Speaker 2>So it's not to like literally destroy the entire country

0:41:19.480 --> 0:41:23.879
<v Speaker 2>in the giant war, but you know, them showing up

0:41:24.040 --> 0:41:27.880
<v Speaker 2>also really pisses off the organizers and the everything that

0:41:27.880 --> 0:41:30.920
<v Speaker 2>happens to the cops start beating the organizers, and this,

0:41:31.040 --> 0:41:33.279
<v Speaker 2>it turns out, is a bad idea, because it turns

0:41:33.320 --> 0:41:36.040
<v Speaker 2>out if you beat people, they get really angry at you.

0:41:36.920 --> 0:41:39.400
<v Speaker 2>And so suddenly you have all of these mode guys

0:41:39.480 --> 0:41:42.040
<v Speaker 2>who literally their plan going into the convention was we

0:41:42.040 --> 0:41:44.160
<v Speaker 2>don't want to have a fight because we're gonna lose,

0:41:44.600 --> 0:41:46.520
<v Speaker 2>who are suddenly like, well fuck it, they're attacking as anyway,

0:41:46.520 --> 0:41:49.200
<v Speaker 2>we're just gonna fight them. Yeah, and this is where

0:41:49.200 --> 0:41:53.439
<v Speaker 2>everything sort of the police completely go off the rails, right,

0:41:53.880 --> 0:41:55.520
<v Speaker 2>this is where you see, you know, all of the

0:41:55.560 --> 0:41:58.040
<v Speaker 2>sort of famous footage of beatings outside the convention. Also,

0:41:58.239 --> 0:42:00.239
<v Speaker 2>and I will put this something Robert pointed out, is

0:42:00.239 --> 0:42:02.319
<v Speaker 2>it like anyone who was in Portland and twenty twenty

0:42:02.360 --> 0:42:04.600
<v Speaker 2>has been through stuff that's way worse than anything anyone

0:42:04.640 --> 0:42:08.480
<v Speaker 2>saw here. Like you statistically probably have seen something that

0:42:08.560 --> 0:42:10.279
<v Speaker 2>was much worse than what happened to the people, Which

0:42:10.280 --> 0:42:11.920
<v Speaker 2>is not to say it wasn't bad, right, I mean,

0:42:12.000 --> 0:42:14.640
<v Speaker 2>these are people getting horribly beaten by guys with billy clubs.

0:42:14.719 --> 0:42:17.080
<v Speaker 5>But yeah, it just happens all the time.

0:42:17.120 --> 0:42:20.399
<v Speaker 2>Now we are so far past this being a thing

0:42:20.480 --> 0:42:22.400
<v Speaker 2>that nobody's ever seen before or whatever.

0:42:22.600 --> 0:42:25.000
<v Speaker 4>Right, Yeah, we had a moment where I could have stopped,

0:42:25.040 --> 0:42:27.880
<v Speaker 4>and a lot of people have fucking tried. Yeah, And

0:42:28.040 --> 0:42:31.279
<v Speaker 4>as a country, we are going down the path of

0:42:31.320 --> 0:42:33.040
<v Speaker 4>the cops beating people and getting away with it like

0:42:33.080 --> 0:42:34.840
<v Speaker 4>that is yeah, where we're at politically.

0:42:35.080 --> 0:42:37.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And in the experience sixty eight, the cops, the

0:42:37.600 --> 0:42:40.440
<v Speaker 2>cops are able to go even more feral than they

0:42:40.440 --> 0:42:42.880
<v Speaker 2>are now, which is slightly more fail which is to

0:42:42.880 --> 0:42:46.719
<v Speaker 2>say that this storm McCarthy's campaign office and they have

0:42:46.840 --> 0:42:48.360
<v Speaker 2>his campaign staffers beaten.

0:42:48.560 --> 0:42:50.960
<v Speaker 5>Oh damn, Yeah, that is that is advanced.

0:42:51.280 --> 0:42:55.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I've never heard of another modern political thing where

0:42:55.800 --> 0:42:59.160
<v Speaker 2>police straight up storm the campaign office of a presidential

0:42:59.160 --> 0:43:01.000
<v Speaker 2>campaign and had his staffer's beaten.

0:43:01.760 --> 0:43:01.960
<v Speaker 3>Right.

0:43:03.520 --> 0:43:07.880
<v Speaker 2>And this has a massive impact inside of the convention itself,

0:43:08.160 --> 0:43:11.160
<v Speaker 2>because what's happening in the convention is not what we

0:43:11.239 --> 0:43:13.400
<v Speaker 2>got with Kamala, where like the old is gone and

0:43:13.440 --> 0:43:15.279
<v Speaker 2>here's the new or whatever, and you know, you can

0:43:15.400 --> 0:43:17.879
<v Speaker 2>you can look for some kind of break there. It

0:43:17.920 --> 0:43:21.080
<v Speaker 2>is Humphrey has been put in. Humphrey is LBJ two.

0:43:21.719 --> 0:43:25.720
<v Speaker 2>Lbj's Vietnam policy is inscribed by vote into the platform

0:43:25.760 --> 0:43:27.520
<v Speaker 2>of the Democratic Party for what they're going to run.

0:43:27.440 --> 0:43:28.000
<v Speaker 3>In sixty eight.

0:43:28.680 --> 0:43:31.560
<v Speaker 2>And meanwhile, outside right, as the sort of rat fuck

0:43:31.600 --> 0:43:34.520
<v Speaker 2>is happening, and as the party leadership is installing Hubert Humphrey,

0:43:35.600 --> 0:43:38.560
<v Speaker 2>the sort of liberal anti war wing of the party

0:43:39.040 --> 0:43:42.720
<v Speaker 2>is recoiling in horror. A McCarthy deleg who's a senator

0:43:43.320 --> 0:43:47.759
<v Speaker 2>famously is about to go on stage and endorse, endorse

0:43:47.760 --> 0:43:49.840
<v Speaker 2>super Humphrey because Humphrey's won the nomination, they have to

0:43:49.840 --> 0:43:53.680
<v Speaker 2>come together unity. But he's washing out the window as

0:43:53.680 --> 0:43:56.120
<v Speaker 2>the police are just like throwing kids around and beating

0:43:56.160 --> 0:43:59.080
<v Speaker 2>the shit out of them, and he instead gives this

0:43:59.160 --> 0:44:01.880
<v Speaker 2>speech where he's says that if McCarthy was president, the

0:44:01.960 --> 0:44:06.759
<v Speaker 2>cops wouldn't be using gestopo tactics, and Chicago bay Or

0:44:06.840 --> 0:44:10.400
<v Speaker 2>Richard M. Daly gets so angry that he starts screaming

0:44:10.440 --> 0:44:12.600
<v Speaker 2>from the crowd and I quote and I apologize for

0:44:12.640 --> 0:44:15.440
<v Speaker 2>saying this, but you need to understand who the party

0:44:15.480 --> 0:44:19.239
<v Speaker 2>elite is in this period. He says, quote, fuck you,

0:44:19.239 --> 0:44:22.000
<v Speaker 2>you juice, son of a bitch, you lousy motherfucker, go home.

0:44:23.760 --> 0:44:27.360
<v Speaker 2>She is the mayor of Chicago, on the floor live

0:44:27.600 --> 0:44:31.480
<v Speaker 2>on TV at the Democratic National Convention. Jeez, you are

0:44:31.640 --> 0:44:34.399
<v Speaker 2>watching in sixty eight, you can see in real time

0:44:34.520 --> 0:44:38.040
<v Speaker 2>on TV the entire Democratic Party completely fall apart.

0:44:38.560 --> 0:44:41.440
<v Speaker 5>Yeah. Fuck the uh yeah, the mosque has come off,

0:44:41.520 --> 0:44:42.040
<v Speaker 5>that hasn't it.

0:44:42.320 --> 0:44:44.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, everything's flowing apart. You can see.

0:44:44.239 --> 0:44:45.879
<v Speaker 2>You can see the divisions. A lot of liberal anti

0:44:45.920 --> 0:44:50.000
<v Speaker 2>war candidates refuse to back like Humphrey and his people.

0:44:50.520 --> 0:44:53.680
<v Speaker 2>They eventually come back together sort of as the general

0:44:53.680 --> 0:44:56.920
<v Speaker 2>election approaches, but the damage is done and that's not

0:44:57.120 --> 0:44:59.880
<v Speaker 2>something that we're really at risk of.

0:45:01.080 --> 0:45:02.920
<v Speaker 4>No, they seem to be a pretty much lock step

0:45:03.080 --> 0:45:07.480
<v Speaker 4>right now, like both with police violence and with what

0:45:07.640 --> 0:45:12.200
<v Speaker 4>was happening in Palestine. Like there's not much like real

0:45:12.320 --> 0:45:16.520
<v Speaker 4>within the party, the Democrat Party, like much descent that

0:45:16.640 --> 0:45:17.280
<v Speaker 4>I can see.

0:45:18.280 --> 0:45:19.040
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know.

0:45:19.080 --> 0:45:21.480
<v Speaker 2>And I think the other thing about the Sittiate election

0:45:21.560 --> 0:45:23.160
<v Speaker 2>people are trying to compare it to the twenty twenty

0:45:23.200 --> 0:45:26.680
<v Speaker 2>four election, is that the Democrats only lost by about

0:45:26.719 --> 0:45:29.759
<v Speaker 2>one percent of the vote, or some one percent of

0:45:29.760 --> 0:45:31.239
<v Speaker 2>the vote, even even though it was a blowout, They

0:45:31.280 --> 0:45:32.840
<v Speaker 2>only lost are about one percent of the vote in

0:45:32.880 --> 0:45:35.799
<v Speaker 2>sixty eight. And a big part of what happened also

0:45:35.920 --> 0:45:39.040
<v Speaker 2>was that George Wallace, the insane segregation. This guy was

0:45:39.080 --> 0:45:42.560
<v Speaker 2>also running and drew a whole bunch of electoral votes, yeah,

0:45:42.760 --> 0:45:45.240
<v Speaker 2>which we don't really have, but you know, the Democrats

0:45:45.480 --> 0:45:47.920
<v Speaker 2>almost success rallied and beat Nixon Nixon, you know, And

0:45:47.920 --> 0:45:50.760
<v Speaker 2>this is something that there's this narrative that Nixon wins

0:45:50.760 --> 0:45:53.560
<v Speaker 2>by sort of unbelievable margins and that he represented the

0:45:53.600 --> 0:45:57.560
<v Speaker 2>sort of silent majority. And that's only sort of true.

0:45:58.000 --> 0:45:59.880
<v Speaker 2>But on the other hand, the ground in the u

0:46:00.040 --> 0:46:03.200
<v Speaker 2>US since then has changed, right, the uprisings of the

0:46:03.280 --> 0:46:05.480
<v Speaker 2>nineteen sixties, and this is from the Holy Week uprisings

0:46:05.480 --> 0:46:08.120
<v Speaker 2>to the process of the d NC. All of these

0:46:08.120 --> 0:46:13.040
<v Speaker 2>protests are hideously unpopular. Everything MLK does, everyone hates it,

0:46:13.360 --> 0:46:15.160
<v Speaker 2>right literally until MLK dies.

0:46:15.239 --> 0:46:15.399
<v Speaker 3>Right.

0:46:15.880 --> 0:46:17.759
<v Speaker 2>And there's actually a very fun example of this. Bayar

0:46:17.880 --> 0:46:22.279
<v Speaker 2>Daily had absolutely hated MLKA when he was alive. Right,

0:46:22.560 --> 0:46:25.400
<v Speaker 2>He gives speeches a college he say he is starting

0:46:25.480 --> 0:46:27.720
<v Speaker 2>up trouble and like Astley, despised him, and the moment

0:46:27.760 --> 0:46:29.959
<v Speaker 2>he dies, he gives a speech saying everyone should follow

0:46:30.000 --> 0:46:32.760
<v Speaker 2>mlk's example and remained peaceful and not the state.

0:46:33.600 --> 0:46:36.240
<v Speaker 3>Literally days after right.

0:46:36.880 --> 0:46:38.480
<v Speaker 2>But that's the thing, all of these all of these

0:46:38.480 --> 0:46:43.240
<v Speaker 2>things are unbelievably unpopular, and you know, the gap between

0:46:43.440 --> 0:46:46.320
<v Speaker 2>their giant uprising which was holy weak and the election

0:46:46.760 --> 0:46:51.200
<v Speaker 2>was a few months whereas you know, in twenty twenty four, right,

0:46:51.400 --> 0:46:54.080
<v Speaker 2>the twenty twenty four uprising was marked by over fifty

0:46:54.080 --> 0:46:58.279
<v Speaker 2>percent approval for burning a police station down right, he

0:46:58.400 --> 0:46:59.960
<v Speaker 2>was actually extremely popular.

0:47:00.680 --> 0:47:01.959
<v Speaker 3>And even even.

0:47:01.640 --> 0:47:03.880
<v Speaker 2>Four years later, you know, with the sort of memory

0:47:03.920 --> 0:47:08.239
<v Speaker 2>of the tear gas fading, everything about American politics is

0:47:08.320 --> 0:47:11.759
<v Speaker 2>operating in reverse. Increasingly, it is not the left that's

0:47:11.760 --> 0:47:13.919
<v Speaker 2>seen as out of touch radicals just attempting to force

0:47:13.960 --> 0:47:18.040
<v Speaker 2>their agenda on a compliant population. It's the right. The

0:47:18.040 --> 0:47:21.359
<v Speaker 2>silent majority today is not composed of evangelical fanatics whose

0:47:21.480 --> 0:47:24.680
<v Speaker 2>children monitor their porn consumption. It is composed of people

0:47:24.719 --> 0:47:27.520
<v Speaker 2>who think that shit is weird. And that's the thing

0:47:27.520 --> 0:47:29.680
<v Speaker 2>that I want to close on, which is that you know,

0:47:30.000 --> 0:47:33.040
<v Speaker 2>in twenty twenty four, in a lot of ways, is

0:47:33.120 --> 0:47:36.560
<v Speaker 2>sixty eight standing on its head, because everything that comes

0:47:36.600 --> 0:47:38.920
<v Speaker 2>after the election is seen as the backlash to the

0:47:38.920 --> 0:47:41.359
<v Speaker 2>sort of excess of sixty eight. Right, but we are

0:47:41.400 --> 0:47:44.080
<v Speaker 2>already living in the backlash the last four years, the

0:47:44.120 --> 0:47:47.520
<v Speaker 2>last eight years. Right Trumpism is the backlash of Ferguson

0:47:47.760 --> 0:47:49.399
<v Speaker 2>and then all of the sort of desan to stuff,

0:47:49.400 --> 0:47:51.560
<v Speaker 2>the anti trans stuff, all of the weird grumor panic,

0:47:51.600 --> 0:47:54.520
<v Speaker 2>you know, all the anti critical race theory stuff, all

0:47:54.560 --> 0:47:57.279
<v Speaker 2>of the racism, all of that. That's all the backlash

0:47:57.880 --> 0:48:02.080
<v Speaker 2>to twenty twenty and it sucks. Everyone hates it. It's awful.

0:48:02.840 --> 0:48:07.360
<v Speaker 2>And so we are in a period where the backlash

0:48:07.400 --> 0:48:10.440
<v Speaker 2>that sort of swept in the Republicans to power for

0:48:10.520 --> 0:48:12.480
<v Speaker 2>a generation, that that's going to sort of come out

0:48:12.520 --> 0:48:14.640
<v Speaker 2>of the nick sonari that's eventually going to lead to Reagan.

0:48:15.000 --> 0:48:18.480
<v Speaker 2>It's entirely possible that we are about to see basically

0:48:18.480 --> 0:48:22.200
<v Speaker 2>the opposite of that, where this kind of backlash politics,

0:48:22.200 --> 0:48:25.799
<v Speaker 2>this kind of sort of trumpe and fascism. This very

0:48:25.840 --> 0:48:29.319
<v Speaker 2>well could be twenty twenty four could be the shore

0:48:29.440 --> 0:48:30.799
<v Speaker 2>on which that wave breaks.

0:48:31.200 --> 0:48:31.840
<v Speaker 5>We can hope.

0:48:32.920 --> 0:48:33.560
<v Speaker 3>I'm hoping.

0:48:33.600 --> 0:48:34.000
<v Speaker 5>I don't know.

0:48:34.080 --> 0:48:35.240
<v Speaker 3>I am mildly hopeful.

0:48:35.320 --> 0:48:37.240
<v Speaker 2>I also you know, and this is our thing that's sport,

0:48:37.280 --> 0:48:39.319
<v Speaker 2>is this convention is not going to look anything like

0:48:40.440 --> 0:48:42.799
<v Speaker 2>even if there is intense deppression of the protests, it's

0:48:42.880 --> 0:48:45.719
<v Speaker 2>not going to play the same way politically as as

0:48:45.800 --> 0:48:46.919
<v Speaker 2>sixty eight convention did.

0:48:47.360 --> 0:48:50.839
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that history doesn't repeat itself, but it rhymes, right,

0:48:50.920 --> 0:48:54.480
<v Speaker 4>and I think there will be similarities here. It is

0:48:54.520 --> 0:48:59.320
<v Speaker 4>impossible for the way that the state interacts with protest

0:48:59.520 --> 0:49:01.640
<v Speaker 4>to beat this saying yeah, and for people to be

0:49:01.680 --> 0:49:04.719
<v Speaker 4>as shocked by it as they were in sixty eight, right,

0:49:04.840 --> 0:49:09.000
<v Speaker 4>like a good number of Democrats, Like you know, if

0:49:09.000 --> 0:49:12.000
<v Speaker 4>you go on social media, okay, it's my representative example,

0:49:12.520 --> 0:49:14.879
<v Speaker 4>you've seen plenty of people barking for cops to crack

0:49:14.920 --> 0:49:18.040
<v Speaker 4>the heads of kids, yeah, or people of any age,

0:49:18.080 --> 0:49:21.960
<v Speaker 4>like protesting against a fucking genocide, Like people don't care anymore.

0:49:22.040 --> 0:49:24.319
<v Speaker 4>I guess if you're clapping for bombing babies, you're also

0:49:24.320 --> 0:49:26.560
<v Speaker 4>going to clap for smashing students in the face of

0:49:26.600 --> 0:49:29.000
<v Speaker 4>the club, Like I kind of go together, I guess.

0:49:29.239 --> 0:49:30.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And I mean that. I don't know.

0:49:30.560 --> 0:49:33.680
<v Speaker 2>I think the sort of long range things about anti

0:49:33.680 --> 0:49:36.680
<v Speaker 2>war movements is that the actual anti war movement almost

0:49:36.760 --> 0:49:40.239
<v Speaker 2>never stops the war right in the short run immediately,

0:49:40.280 --> 0:49:43.640
<v Speaker 2>it almost never works. But what happened with Vietnam was

0:49:43.719 --> 0:49:46.640
<v Speaker 2>in the long run, the protests and in sty eight

0:49:46.719 --> 0:49:48.839
<v Speaker 2>did stop the war, right, But they stopped the war

0:49:48.960 --> 0:49:51.600
<v Speaker 2>not by not by moving sort of traditional America pologists

0:49:51.640 --> 0:49:54.680
<v Speaker 2>to stop the war by being one of the catalysts

0:49:54.680 --> 0:49:57.600
<v Speaker 2>that radicalized enough of enough of the US army that

0:49:57.760 --> 0:49:59.759
<v Speaker 2>almost by by the time the war ends, something like

0:49:59.800 --> 0:50:03.040
<v Speaker 2>half it is either on strike or openly in revolt. Yeah,

0:50:03.280 --> 0:50:05.520
<v Speaker 2>and that eventually is the thing that crushes it. And

0:50:05.520 --> 0:50:07.399
<v Speaker 2>I think that's also a thing for this, is that like, yeah,

0:50:07.520 --> 0:50:10.520
<v Speaker 2>Kamala Harris probably not gonna end the genocide. Yeah, but

0:50:11.160 --> 0:50:13.960
<v Speaker 2>comma that there's good reason for this, right. We're very

0:50:14.040 --> 0:50:16.920
<v Speaker 2>used to looking for immediate, direct impacts of reactions, and

0:50:17.160 --> 0:50:20.200
<v Speaker 2>a lot of times the impact of reactions are in

0:50:20.360 --> 0:50:22.920
<v Speaker 2>things in the distant future, in ways that we can't

0:50:22.960 --> 0:50:25.799
<v Speaker 2>see right now. Yeah, And maybe that gives you hope,

0:50:25.800 --> 0:50:29.040
<v Speaker 2>maybe that doesn't, But that's sort of the way that

0:50:29.080 --> 0:50:31.280
<v Speaker 2>these anti word things work.

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<v Speaker 5>And I don't know.

0:50:32.920 --> 0:50:35.680
<v Speaker 2>Hopefully we'll get a fucking better result this time and

0:50:35.960 --> 0:50:42.239
<v Speaker 2>we can stop the rest of Palestine from being completely exterminated.

0:50:41.600 --> 0:50:43.719
<v Speaker 5>But yeah, that would be nice.

0:50:43.920 --> 0:50:45.520
<v Speaker 3>That's the not hopeful part of this.

0:50:48.000 --> 0:50:50.680
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I think it's not hopeful, but it's instructive, right, Like,

0:50:50.760 --> 0:50:53.360
<v Speaker 4>if you're out there now and you're expecting some big change,

0:50:53.600 --> 0:50:55.919
<v Speaker 4>if you're always tending in Chicago and you're expecting some change.

0:50:55.920 --> 0:50:57.680
<v Speaker 4>You probably won't see it. It doesn't mean that what

0:50:57.680 --> 0:50:59.640
<v Speaker 4>you're doing isn't important, and it doesn't mean you shouldn't

0:50:59.680 --> 0:51:00.000
<v Speaker 4>keep doing it.

0:51:00.600 --> 0:51:02.879
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yeah, so this has been making it happen here.

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<v Speaker 2>The rest of the week will be an account of

0:51:05.280 --> 0:51:07.200
<v Speaker 2>what actually does happen at this convention.

0:51:08.040 --> 0:51:09.120
<v Speaker 5>So stay tuned.

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<v Speaker 3>Enjoyed that, and go stop geto touching that.

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