WEBVTT - Let Sara Schaefer Be Your Guide 0:00:18.440 --> 0:00:21.920 Hey, and welcome to What Future. I'm your host, Joshua 0:00:22.000 --> 0:00:25.480 to Pulski, I'm back, and I should say that two things. 0:00:25.520 --> 0:00:29.200 One is Lyra, my producer. We were on video a 0:00:29.280 --> 0:00:32.519 second ago, and now her video is I have to 0:00:32.520 --> 0:00:35.000 take a screenshot at this because it's almost kind of beautiful. 0:00:35.560 --> 0:00:38.440 Something has happened to her image, her video image here 0:00:38.520 --> 0:00:41.000 that it has just turned it into a kind of 0:00:41.080 --> 0:00:45.800 purple hued gradient, pixelated blur. Lyra, are you we're seeing 0:00:45.840 --> 0:00:49.680 this on your end? No, it's just normal video for me. Really, 0:00:50.120 --> 0:00:52.400 did you do a screenshot? I did a screenshot. I'm 0:00:52.400 --> 0:00:54.840 going to share now he went back to normal. I'm 0:00:54.880 --> 0:00:58.560 going to share with you. Not a great look for me, 0:00:59.080 --> 0:01:03.520 but for you. Kind of a transcendent? Is it my aura? 0:01:03.680 --> 0:01:07.040 I don't know, but it's fucking pretty beautiful, and I'm 0:01:07.080 --> 0:01:08.959 going to send it to you right now. Well I 0:01:09.000 --> 0:01:12.839 just have to here we go, Oh wow, that interesting. Yeah, 0:01:12.880 --> 0:01:15.200 I don't know where they came from, but it's kind 0:01:15.200 --> 0:01:21.200 of beautiful. It reminds me of old Microsoft word gradients. Yeah, 0:01:21.720 --> 0:01:23.720 I can see where you're coming from with that. The 0:01:23.800 --> 0:01:26.600 word art at any rate. So you know, we're just 0:01:26.640 --> 0:01:29.199 starting the show here and then we had this weird 0:01:29.240 --> 0:01:32.160 little glitch where you turned into a beautiful purple gradient, 0:01:32.280 --> 0:01:34.399 which I think is really says everything you need to 0:01:34.400 --> 0:01:37.760 know about today's episode. I believe you know. I don't 0:01:37.800 --> 0:01:40.040 want to waste any time because it's a great conversation 0:01:40.640 --> 0:01:43.480 for the listener to hear and I think for us 0:01:43.520 --> 0:01:47.720 to experience as a group together. My guest today is 0:01:47.760 --> 0:01:52.480 an incredible comedian, a fantastic writer, an Emmy Award winner, 0:01:53.680 --> 0:01:56.760 old friend of mine, and someone I'm so pleased to 0:01:56.800 --> 0:01:59.920 have on the show. I'm of course talking about Sarah Schaeffer, 0:02:00.360 --> 0:02:19.359 the one and only we met on Late Night with 0:02:19.480 --> 0:02:22.440 Jimmy Fallon. Yeah, it was a long time ago. I 0:02:22.480 --> 0:02:25.360 think Obama was president when we met. Yeah, just to 0:02:25.440 --> 0:02:27.720 give you an idea, I'm trying to think he ran 0:02:27.760 --> 0:02:31.120 against McCain? Is that right? Was that the first? And 0:02:31.160 --> 0:02:32.959 then he who was the who did he run against 0:02:32.960 --> 0:02:36.440 for the second one? This is fucked up? Mitt Romney? 0:02:36.520 --> 0:02:39.920 Or was Mitt Romney twenty twelve? Yeah? Mitt Romney was 0:02:39.919 --> 0:02:42.919 was twenty twelve? I think? Okay, Lyras say yes it 0:02:43.000 --> 0:02:46.080 was not in yes, So the first one was John McCain, 0:02:46.840 --> 0:02:50.440 who everybody loved the Maverick. Great guy. Yeah, great guy. 0:02:50.880 --> 0:02:54.560 Uh pow. And then Sarah Palin was his running mate. 0:02:54.960 --> 0:02:56.600 By the way, that's not what we were supposed to 0:02:56.600 --> 0:02:58.960 be talking about, but it's fine. What are we supposed 0:02:58.960 --> 0:03:01.360 to be talking about? Eric Plin was like a proto 0:03:01.400 --> 0:03:04.240 Trump in a way, like she was really racist. She 0:03:04.400 --> 0:03:06.640 was always talking about how like white people weren't getting 0:03:06.639 --> 0:03:09.480 a fair shake. Yeah it was. It was tea party, Yeah, 0:03:09.560 --> 0:03:12.400 tea Party ship, the Rise of the Tea Party. Yeah. 0:03:12.560 --> 0:03:14.639 And now, of course we have empirical data to support 0:03:14.680 --> 0:03:18.360 that white people have never gotten a fair shake. Oh. Absolutely, 0:03:18.440 --> 0:03:22.440 it's so unfair, speaking as it as a Jew who 0:03:22.520 --> 0:03:25.000 passes for white. Um. You know, I can tell you 0:03:25.000 --> 0:03:28.640 I've hit a lot of roadblocks in my life. So 0:03:28.880 --> 0:03:31.040 then yeah, once twelve he ran against Mitt Romney. Remember 0:03:31.040 --> 0:03:33.120 Mitt Romney had the big scandal, the binders full of 0:03:33.120 --> 0:03:35.800 women scandal, which I don't even remember that, yea what 0:03:35.920 --> 0:03:37.800 it was about, but whatever, I see a binder. Here's 0:03:37.800 --> 0:03:41.120 how fucking impactful the Binder's full of women thing was. 0:03:41.200 --> 0:03:43.160 I have a daughter. Her name is Zelda. She is 0:03:43.600 --> 0:03:47.000 nine years old, and she's into musicals and she puts 0:03:47.000 --> 0:03:50.560 together like scripts from musicals in binders. We have binders, 0:03:50.560 --> 0:03:53.640 so many binders in the house, and every fucking time 0:03:53.680 --> 0:03:56.520 I see one, and every time I mentioned one, my 0:03:56.520 --> 0:03:59.800 brain immediately goes to the phrase binders full of women. 0:04:00.240 --> 0:04:03.480 It's like automatic, well, it's crazy. Do you remember what 0:04:03.520 --> 0:04:07.840 the binders were? I believe somebody asked him, like at 0:04:07.840 --> 0:04:10.360 a town hall or an interview or something like, you know, 0:04:10.400 --> 0:04:12.600 are you gonna employ women? Are you gonna put women 0:04:13.160 --> 0:04:15.320 in your cabinet? I think he was like, oh, yeah, yeah, 0:04:15.320 --> 0:04:18.640 I've got binders full of women, and it just came 0:04:18.680 --> 0:04:22.280 off bad, like we were files, you know, like we 0:04:22.279 --> 0:04:27.039 were like yeah, yeah, and and just like a man 0:04:27.160 --> 0:04:30.040 should not say he has binders full of women. Like 0:04:30.760 --> 0:04:34.039 it was just and yeah, and it sounded creepy a 0:04:34.040 --> 0:04:37.279 little bit. And it didn't help him beat Obama. No 0:04:37.360 --> 0:04:39.640 it did not. But all right, Sarah, let me just 0:04:39.680 --> 0:04:41.520 say now that we've been talking for a few minutes. 0:04:42.360 --> 0:04:47.160 You are a comedian. Yeah, unfortunately you stand up comedy. 0:04:47.520 --> 0:04:50.840 You have several several albums, right, more than one? Um, yeah, 0:04:50.839 --> 0:04:59.560 I have two albums severe, Yeah, I'm good accounting. And 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:02.400 in case you're wondering, this is Sarah Schaeffer, a pronouncing 0:05:02.400 --> 0:05:07.000 that right. Yeah, yeah, does they may ever pronounce it wrong? Actually, 0:05:07.040 --> 0:05:09.880 it was so funny. I did this stand up show 0:05:09.920 --> 0:05:12.880 in LA and it was like this young hip show, 0:05:12.920 --> 0:05:15.719 and I felt very old. I've been around long enough 0:05:15.760 --> 0:05:19.680 in comedy where some younger comedians treat me with respect. 0:05:20.279 --> 0:05:23.680 Others don't. They're like, who are you? That's interesting, But 0:05:23.839 --> 0:05:26.479 some like are like, oh, miss Shaffer, welcome, you know, 0:05:26.560 --> 0:05:28.840 like that kind of thing. Really they say, they say, 0:05:28.880 --> 0:05:32.279 miss Schaeffer, Wow, that's nice. No, No, that's the attitude. 0:05:32.320 --> 0:05:36.120 Though he had obviously been taught always ask how people's 0:05:36.200 --> 0:05:38.520 names are pronounced right, because it was the host and 0:05:38.520 --> 0:05:40.240 he's like, how do you say your last name? Is 0:05:40.240 --> 0:05:44.040 it Chaffer? And he like almost put a French accent on, 0:05:44.080 --> 0:05:46.719 And I was like, that's kind of a twist, though, 0:05:46.720 --> 0:05:49.440 that might be a new thing for you. I was like, 0:05:49.560 --> 0:05:53.279 I've never heard of there of any I've maybe heard 0:05:53.360 --> 0:05:56.599 schaffer Schaffer. I could see that if they spelled a 0:05:56.600 --> 0:06:00.640 different way. But yeah, it was like a chaff there. 0:06:00.680 --> 0:06:04.599 You know, this this new generation. Yeah, they're so so respectful, 0:06:04.760 --> 0:06:07.600 they're so ahead of the curve that they'll completely change 0:06:07.600 --> 0:06:11.159 the pronunciation of your name. They never assume assume that 0:06:11.360 --> 0:06:13.919 any of the letters would pronounce how they're supposed to be. 0:06:13.960 --> 0:06:17.239 It could be absolutely anything going on in that name. Well, 0:06:17.279 --> 0:06:21.080 I've noticed in my zoomer niece and nephew. I have 0:06:21.120 --> 0:06:26.200 a niece and nephew who are sixteen and eighteen years old. Yeah, 0:06:26.200 --> 0:06:29.120 oh they're that's very old. They're like grown up. Yeah. 0:06:29.160 --> 0:06:34.440 They frequently will refer to people as they. Yeah, that's right, 0:06:34.760 --> 0:06:37.760 even though I know that they know it's a woman, 0:06:37.920 --> 0:06:40.359 you know that they're talking about. But they'll be like, oh, 0:06:40.480 --> 0:06:43.960 you mean somebody who isn't requesting or doesn't want to 0:06:44.000 --> 0:06:51.200 be They will they default today as a as a 0:06:51.279 --> 0:06:54.960 sort of like, oh, well, maybe that person isn't she 0:06:55.320 --> 0:06:59.000 or he? They wouldn't assume, right, And I've noticed that 0:06:59.120 --> 0:07:02.160 happening at like comedy shows where the host will be like, 0:07:02.560 --> 0:07:05.520 they're a very funny comedian and you would never have 0:07:05.680 --> 0:07:07.680 heard that before. And I just think it's becoming part 0:07:07.720 --> 0:07:13.360 of language to refer to general people as they kind 0:07:13.360 --> 0:07:15.200 of like how there was a while where we were 0:07:15.240 --> 0:07:19.600 referring to general people as dude, Like dudes, dude, you know, 0:07:19.640 --> 0:07:22.400 and you would refer to guy, hey, guys. That's the 0:07:22.520 --> 0:07:25.880 classic example like guys and you, you mean, everybody. So 0:07:26.080 --> 0:07:28.559 I don't think they're being like I'm not assuming general. 0:07:28.600 --> 0:07:32.040 I don't think they're being overly sensitive. I just think 0:07:32.080 --> 0:07:35.520 that that's more normal for them to, like, you think 0:07:35.520 --> 0:07:37.520 it's like a pattern, like a speech pattern now that 0:07:37.560 --> 0:07:39.160 like people are just saying. I think it's both. I 0:07:39.200 --> 0:07:42.760 think it came from being more aware of various pronouns 0:07:42.800 --> 0:07:44.600 and stuff like that, and now I think it's kind 0:07:44.640 --> 0:07:47.720 of becoming like more and more people just referring to 0:07:48.000 --> 0:07:51.080 people they don't know as they right, it's a safe bet. 0:07:51.160 --> 0:07:53.320 It's like, oh, that's a stranger. I don't really know 0:07:53.640 --> 0:07:56.680 who they are. It's like, oh, wow, the kids are 0:07:56.720 --> 0:07:59.800 going to be okay. That's interesting because it's both like 0:08:00.520 --> 0:08:06.640 much more modern obviously to consider the possibility that someone 0:08:06.680 --> 0:08:09.680 may not be the pronoun you may assume they are. 0:08:10.440 --> 0:08:13.440 But also it's it's like utilitarian is what you're saying, yeah, 0:08:13.480 --> 0:08:16.679 which is basically like it gets out of the whole 0:08:16.920 --> 0:08:20.560 need to specify, you know, which is I don't know. 0:08:20.600 --> 0:08:23.000 I guess that sort of makes sense. I mean, obviously 0:08:23.040 --> 0:08:26.520 I endorse any pronoun. I'm happy to use that pronoun 0:08:26.960 --> 0:08:30.600 whatever makes the person most comfortable whatever they feel comfortable with. However, 0:08:30.840 --> 0:08:32.720 the only time I get tripped up, and I probably 0:08:32.760 --> 0:08:35.000 have talked about this before on some podcasts in the past, 0:08:35.360 --> 0:08:38.640 is the use of them in a written sentence when 0:08:38.679 --> 0:08:40.760 I'm grazing it, Like when I'm kind of like reading 0:08:40.760 --> 0:08:43.520 through something kind of quickly. I often will be like, 0:08:43.640 --> 0:08:45.960 wait a second, are there two people? Because it's not 0:08:46.080 --> 0:08:48.920 clear in writing, you know, and this is a minor 0:08:49.000 --> 0:08:51.000 is very minor and kind of meaningless gripe, but it does. 0:08:51.040 --> 0:08:52.720 It just takes from getting used to kind of be 0:08:52.760 --> 0:08:55.800 a little bit extra careful on pars in it. I 0:08:55.880 --> 0:08:59.880 actually find it the opposite. Really, I think in writing, 0:09:00.280 --> 0:09:02.960 I'm fine with it because I'm used to news articles 0:09:03.040 --> 0:09:06.400 referring to someone that they don't know, like the perpetrator 0:09:06.520 --> 0:09:09.160 they were seen last scene, you know, like if you 0:09:09.200 --> 0:09:13.360 don't know the gender, they'll just say they like who 0:09:13.440 --> 0:09:15.559 left this here? They need to come get this. You're 0:09:15.600 --> 0:09:18.400 referring to one person, but you don't know who it was, right, 0:09:18.640 --> 0:09:21.800 So in writing, I'm actually okay with it. I've struggled 0:09:21.920 --> 0:09:27.480 with friends that have changed their pronouns today, right, and 0:09:27.920 --> 0:09:32.960 I've had trouble while talking referring to them as they. Yeah, 0:09:33.160 --> 0:09:36.040 that is harder to adjust for me in a sentence 0:09:36.040 --> 0:09:38.520 when I know I used to refer to them as 0:09:38.559 --> 0:09:41.280 she or he and now I have to change it today. 0:09:41.400 --> 0:09:43.440 Do we sound ancient right now? I'm just yet. Do 0:09:43.480 --> 0:09:45.280 we sound like we're a billion years old? We're like, 0:09:45.720 --> 0:09:47.679 this is like I'm pretty soon I'm going to send 0:09:47.720 --> 0:09:50.319 you a meme like these don't exist anymore. It'll be 0:09:50.320 --> 0:09:52.280 like a rotary fund and stuff like we're just a 0:09:52.280 --> 0:09:55.520 few moments away from that, right. Well, one of my friends, 0:09:55.760 --> 0:09:58.960 the first person I ever knew that changed their pronouns today. 0:09:59.480 --> 0:10:02.280 I was talking to them about it and I was like, oh, 0:10:02.360 --> 0:10:05.280 it's it's actually kind of challenging, and they were like, 0:10:05.480 --> 0:10:10.480 I know, and I know the difference between someone who's 0:10:10.600 --> 0:10:16.360 trying and miss genders me accidentally and someone who is 0:10:16.520 --> 0:10:21.120 being aggressive with it or disrespectful, like rude's being rude? Right, 0:10:21.360 --> 0:10:23.720 They were like, I know the difference, Like, if you 0:10:23.800 --> 0:10:26.800 just spend all your days on Twitter, you think that, 0:10:27.000 --> 0:10:31.240 you know, people are screaming in your face in person 0:10:31.280 --> 0:10:35.920 for not getting the pronouns perfectly every time. Nobody's doing that, right, 0:10:36.040 --> 0:10:38.640 nobody's doing that. I mean, and if they are, then 0:10:38.760 --> 0:10:41.360 that's an asshole. I mean, like, I don't know, right, 0:10:41.400 --> 0:10:43.760 it's the problem of like a person who's fucking with 0:10:43.840 --> 0:10:47.000 you or intentionally not caring or whatever. Is a different 0:10:47.040 --> 0:10:49.520 situation than Yeah. I mean, I know exactly what you're saying. 0:10:49.520 --> 0:10:51.679 I think what's tough, what actually is tough? Just generally speaking. 0:10:51.760 --> 0:10:53.320 I don't have no idea. I don't even remember how 0:10:53.320 --> 0:10:57.000 we got this conversation. It's because we're now we're down. 0:10:57.040 --> 0:11:00.520 Now we're making headlines. Now we're now we're making headlines, 0:11:00.559 --> 0:11:02.840 like we're both Actually this is a total aside. I 0:11:02.840 --> 0:11:05.680 was scrolling through Twitter and I saw a tweet of yours. 0:11:06.160 --> 0:11:08.480 This is gonna this is either gonna be really uncomfortable 0:11:08.559 --> 0:11:12.719 and gross or great. Oh no, but I saw a 0:11:12.720 --> 0:11:17.880 tweet of yours and it's I stopped. I don't remember exactly. O. God, 0:11:17.920 --> 0:11:20.280 I shouldn't even bring this up to say it, say it, 0:11:20.360 --> 0:11:23.440 but I stopped in my feed. I was like, is 0:11:23.559 --> 0:11:29.400 Sarah talking about squirting? Oh my god? How old are 0:11:29.440 --> 0:11:31.960 we going back in these taps? So I don't know, 0:11:32.000 --> 0:11:34.280 I just saw it, just like a month ago. You 0:11:34.280 --> 0:11:38.160 were like referencing you know what, Yeah, Splash Mountain. So 0:11:38.280 --> 0:11:42.760 here thing, I hadn't heard Your Believe the second album, right, yeah, 0:11:42.760 --> 0:11:46.320 it's my first album. Yeah, I didn't hear the joke. Okay, 0:11:46.320 --> 0:11:49.240 so wait, you're very PG in my mind for whatever reason. 0:11:49.280 --> 0:11:51.880 I don't know why. Like maybe it's because I'm overall 0:11:52.000 --> 0:11:56.880 very wholesome, but I have some very dirty jokes. Yeah. Yeah, 0:11:56.920 --> 0:12:00.679 Well I was like, is that it's Sarah bit about 0:12:00.720 --> 0:12:04.400 this or whatever for Shaffer? That's what it was like. 0:12:04.640 --> 0:12:08.040 Then I really listened to it, and I was fucking scandalized. 0:12:08.520 --> 0:12:10.720 I was like, I can't. I don't know what to 0:12:10.760 --> 0:12:13.280 think anymore. I don't now now. I was like, now 0:12:13.360 --> 0:12:17.800 I know hardcore sex comedian. Imagine my family, Oh my god, 0:12:18.679 --> 0:12:20.680 that is this kind of thing I do imagine. Actually, 0:12:20.720 --> 0:12:23.000 I'm like, what would a family member, you know, Like 0:12:23.040 --> 0:12:25.800 I think about in my in my running gags that 0:12:25.840 --> 0:12:27.520 I'm going to get into comedy at some point. Um, 0:12:27.520 --> 0:12:29.120 And I think all the time about things I'd like 0:12:29.200 --> 0:12:32.000 to say about myself or people that I know, And 0:12:32.520 --> 0:12:34.400 it feels like it would just be a constant torrent 0:12:34.440 --> 0:12:36.520 of having to hear from my family about it. Um 0:12:37.000 --> 0:12:38.600 if they ever if they ever heard any of it. 0:12:38.840 --> 0:12:41.960 I'm sorry, this is sex. There's a fair amount of 0:12:42.000 --> 0:12:45.160 sex jokes on my first album, and it's just because 0:12:45.160 --> 0:12:48.400 that's what I was like, uh talking about at the time. 0:12:48.400 --> 0:12:53.960 It's what I was going through, um, and the experiences 0:12:54.000 --> 0:12:56.520 I was having was I had just gotten divorced and 0:12:56.840 --> 0:13:00.600 my first husband was like, um, my first boyfriend, and 0:13:00.640 --> 0:13:02.840 so it was like my first I was in my thirties, 0:13:02.920 --> 0:13:06.040 having like a single dating experience in my twenties that 0:13:06.080 --> 0:13:08.079 most people would have in their twenties. So a lot 0:13:08.080 --> 0:13:10.640 of my material was about that at the time, and 0:13:10.679 --> 0:13:12.720 then I ended up putting it on an album. You 0:13:12.760 --> 0:13:15.840 know it takes ears, yeah, and then yeah, I've heard 0:13:15.880 --> 0:13:19.439 you do some of that, but not the not I 0:13:19.640 --> 0:13:25.520 merely would do because I never was fully uh into it, 0:13:25.840 --> 0:13:30.600 but it always crushed so hard when I did, and um, honestly, 0:13:30.679 --> 0:13:33.000 part of why I stopped doing it is especially the 0:13:33.520 --> 0:13:36.760 joke I will call it splash Mountain. That's it, splash 0:13:37.320 --> 0:13:40.960 splash mountains. You made a reference tweet mountain clothes. Slash 0:13:41.000 --> 0:13:44.199 Mountain did close, and yeah for me as well for 0:13:44.240 --> 0:13:50.200 me as well. Uh wow, Okay, that's it's almost medical 0:13:50.880 --> 0:13:54.240 form here that I prepare for the show but I 0:13:54.480 --> 0:13:57.920 stopped doing the joke. A lot of the reason I 0:13:57.920 --> 0:14:02.600 stopped doing it, which is so um sad, is because 0:14:02.760 --> 0:14:05.920 every time I did it. I'm talking every time I 0:14:05.960 --> 0:14:10.240 did that joke, the comedian after me would make a 0:14:10.280 --> 0:14:14.360 comment about it or corner me in the dressing room 0:14:14.360 --> 0:14:17.760 in the green room to grill me with questions about it, 0:14:17.840 --> 0:14:19.920 like I was some sort of like, uh, you know, 0:14:21.040 --> 0:14:28.480 some miracle of science, like female comedians would cord I 0:14:28.520 --> 0:14:31.280 was gonna say, that doesn't sound totally male, so it 0:14:31.320 --> 0:14:34.080 wouldn't be anything. Yeah, you're right, I'm sorry. I'm just 0:14:34.120 --> 0:14:37.760 so used to being around men in this business. Male 0:14:37.840 --> 0:14:42.560 comedians would not be able to not say anything about it, 0:14:42.600 --> 0:14:45.640 Like they just had to comment on it, come up 0:14:45.680 --> 0:14:48.440 to me and like and and if I was able 0:14:48.480 --> 0:14:52.720 to interact with audience members afterwards, men would say things 0:14:52.720 --> 0:14:55.200 to me too. And it just started to be like, oh, 0:14:55.360 --> 0:14:59.000 I feel like i've somehow they think because I said that, 0:14:59.000 --> 0:15:02.280 because it's extremely intimate, that that means that I want 0:15:02.320 --> 0:15:08.680 to have a conversation about their pe fetish like right, yeah, 0:15:08.680 --> 0:15:11.640 and it's like I don't know, and you know, it 0:15:11.680 --> 0:15:13.600 was really funny. I got it out of my system. 0:15:14.200 --> 0:15:17.840 And I'm proud of those jokes. I love. I was 0:15:17.880 --> 0:15:20.640 listening to that old album the other day for like 0:15:20.720 --> 0:15:24.680 looking for things to do on TikTok or something like 0:15:24.800 --> 0:15:28.080 ideas of like recycling all jokes and um, and I 0:15:28.160 --> 0:15:30.040 was like, oh, that ship was so funny and I 0:15:30.040 --> 0:15:32.280 had such a good time. Oh those were the days, 0:15:32.360 --> 0:15:35.440 you know. Yeah, but yes, that was h you did 0:15:35.480 --> 0:15:38.360 not imagine that on my Twitter feet. It was this 0:15:38.440 --> 0:15:41.000 weird sequence of events, which and like now I feel 0:15:41.040 --> 0:15:43.640 like I sound like a creep, but what happened was yeah, 0:15:43.680 --> 0:15:47.880 I mean, it was just that it wasn't not say so. 0:15:48.160 --> 0:15:52.360 I mean, okay, no, totally, I get it. But here's 0:15:52.360 --> 0:15:54.920 what's funny about that story. First off, it is a 0:15:55.000 --> 0:15:56.920 very funny bit. I mean, it is very funny. And 0:15:56.960 --> 0:15:59.840 it's also like I stand behind it, you know, like 0:15:59.840 --> 0:16:01.960 I I think it's really original and funny. It's one 0:16:01.960 --> 0:16:05.720 of those things where it's it's so personal. It's the 0:16:05.800 --> 0:16:08.160 kind of thing you just people don't talk about ever. 0:16:08.320 --> 0:16:10.880 And obviously comedy goes to places where people don't talk 0:16:10.880 --> 0:16:14.800 about it. But I think that even for even for comedy, 0:16:14.880 --> 0:16:17.400 this is a topic or this is a kind of topic. Obviously, 0:16:17.600 --> 0:16:20.840 only a female comedian what we could do or probably, 0:16:20.840 --> 0:16:23.520 I mean, men have tried. I'm sure. I'm sure, I'm 0:16:23.560 --> 0:16:26.040 sure because they would do it every time. After I 0:16:26.080 --> 0:16:28.600 wouldn't go on and do that joke, they would have 0:16:28.680 --> 0:16:31.440 to try and make a joke about it. Of course. Um, 0:16:31.960 --> 0:16:35.560 But the reason I started telling that joke because I 0:16:35.600 --> 0:16:39.280 was filled with enormous shame on the topic. And one 0:16:39.280 --> 0:16:42.080 of the reasons I started telling the joke is because, um, 0:16:43.360 --> 0:16:47.040 without getting into too many details, a male comedian that 0:16:47.080 --> 0:16:50.560 I was entangled with at one point, I saw him 0:16:50.560 --> 0:16:54.520 at a show and he made fun of me. Oh, 0:16:54.560 --> 0:16:57.440 he didn't say my name, but he knew I was 0:16:57.480 --> 0:17:01.240 in the room, and he would argue that he wasn't 0:17:01.240 --> 0:17:04.840 making fun of me, that he was like admiring it. 0:17:04.920 --> 0:17:07.719 But I was so embarrassed by it, and no one 0:17:07.840 --> 0:17:10.600 knew and it was just like except people I had 0:17:10.600 --> 0:17:15.119 had intimate relationship with, right, so I never told anyone, 0:17:15.160 --> 0:17:21.760 and it just felt so humiliating and such a betrayal 0:17:21.840 --> 0:17:25.400 of privacy, Like and again he didn't say my name, 0:17:25.440 --> 0:17:27.320 but like he's looking to write at me. It just 0:17:27.880 --> 0:17:30.800 it was like something he was doing to me in 0:17:30.840 --> 0:17:33.240 that moment, just for me to hear what he was 0:17:33.280 --> 0:17:35.720 going to say and his brilliant jokes about my body, 0:17:36.320 --> 0:17:39.560 and I in a way I thank him now, you know, 0:17:39.720 --> 0:17:43.119 I'm so evolved past that incident at this point. But like, 0:17:44.119 --> 0:17:47.400 but what it led to is me talking about it year, 0:17:47.560 --> 0:17:50.240 like a year later or something like on my podcast, 0:17:50.640 --> 0:17:53.080 and then that led me to realize, oh, it's like 0:17:53.119 --> 0:17:56.560 actually kind of a funny story. And then I got 0:17:56.640 --> 0:17:58.560 up and told it on a really big show. It 0:17:58.640 --> 0:18:02.520 was a show called fifty ft Jokes and you get 0:18:02.600 --> 0:18:04.720 up and you tell your first joke of the year 0:18:05.080 --> 0:18:08.120 in January, and you can't have told it anywhere else, 0:18:08.840 --> 0:18:11.000 I mean on stage. So I got up and I 0:18:11.080 --> 0:18:14.199 just just you have two minutes, and I told it 0:18:14.280 --> 0:18:15.960 really quick version of it. It's the first time I 0:18:16.000 --> 0:18:19.560 did on stage, and it was people were like screaming, laughing, 0:18:20.080 --> 0:18:22.320 and that's when I was like, oh, I'm onto something, 0:18:22.720 --> 0:18:27.000 you know, And it was me reclaiming something I was 0:18:27.040 --> 0:18:30.080 ashamed of. And the story is about me discovering it 0:18:30.119 --> 0:18:32.800 and not being naive and not knowing what was going on, 0:18:32.920 --> 0:18:36.800 and right, so yeah, I look at it fondly. I 0:18:36.840 --> 0:18:39.960 don't feel any shame over it. It's also really endearing 0:18:40.080 --> 0:18:43.240 because it is, like you said, it's like it's very 0:18:43.240 --> 0:18:45.560 self effacing. It's very like I mean, it's it's just 0:18:45.600 --> 0:18:48.240 the way that you present the information. Obviously, this is 0:18:48.240 --> 0:18:51.399 what makes comedy comedy. But it's like a mousey girl 0:18:51.480 --> 0:18:55.320 discovering she has a party trick, like like a like 0:18:55.359 --> 0:18:59.359 a sexual porn star party trick. Yeah. I think of 0:18:59.400 --> 0:19:03.040 it as like a very erotic, wild born thing or whatever, 0:19:03.080 --> 0:19:06.320 but you actually make it very charming in a way, 0:19:06.480 --> 0:19:09.600 like a very quaint almost thing that you're like, wow, 0:19:09.760 --> 0:19:24.760 like this is interesting, you know, like it's it's funny, 0:19:24.800 --> 0:19:27.480 like you telling this story is fascinating because I was like, well, look, 0:19:27.520 --> 0:19:29.880 I mean, like you've been doing comedy forever, you don't 0:19:29.920 --> 0:19:32.159 there's been this ongoing conversation about like what we can 0:19:32.200 --> 0:19:34.160 say and what we can't say, and you know, people 0:19:34.160 --> 0:19:36.760 are being silence, and actually I wanted to talk about that, 0:19:36.840 --> 0:19:38.720 and but then what you just said is kind of 0:19:38.720 --> 0:19:42.280 crazy because you basically were like I started doing this joke, 0:19:42.320 --> 0:19:47.400 which is really candid and really very real and obviously 0:19:47.600 --> 0:19:50.840 on a subject that is taboo or I don't know 0:19:50.840 --> 0:19:53.080 if we even say do we use the word taboo anymore? 0:19:53.119 --> 0:19:56.440 But it is like not a widely discussed subject. Yeah. Yeah, 0:19:56.480 --> 0:19:58.920 at the time, I was the only person I knew 0:19:58.920 --> 0:20:01.280 that had ever told a joke about it. So yeah, 0:20:01.320 --> 0:20:02.959 and what year did you do that? What year did 0:20:02.960 --> 0:20:07.760 you do that for the first two ten eleven? Yeah, 0:20:07.760 --> 0:20:10.440 oh my god, like a while ago, over a decade ago, 0:20:11.000 --> 0:20:14.240 right right around the time that we met. Yeah, but 0:20:14.320 --> 0:20:16.399 now you're saying like, which is like a really fucking 0:20:16.440 --> 0:20:19.120 depressing thing that you're now obviously like, listen, everybody moves 0:20:19.119 --> 0:20:21.719 on from their their bits or whatever, but you're like, 0:20:21.840 --> 0:20:24.600 I stopped doing it because when I did it, dudes 0:20:24.640 --> 0:20:28.359 were absolute fucking creeps about it, and it like created 0:20:28.359 --> 0:20:31.280 a very uncomfortable situation, which like I feel like, you 0:20:31.320 --> 0:20:34.000 don't hear a lot of male comedians talking about you 0:20:34.040 --> 0:20:35.600 don't hear a lot of guy comedians be like, well 0:20:35.600 --> 0:20:38.160 I had to stop doing that, the bit about my dick, 0:20:38.240 --> 0:20:42.320 because women just couldn't stop harassing sucking my dick. After 0:20:42.480 --> 0:20:46.520 that just doesn't happen. Um, yeah, it's like, oh, I'm 0:20:46.520 --> 0:20:50.720 so annoyed. So it was that there are parallels where 0:20:50.760 --> 0:20:53.920 like if you, I know, everybody has a joke that 0:20:54.160 --> 0:20:57.720 elicits reactions after the fact that are annoying for one 0:20:57.760 --> 0:21:01.040 reason or the other, and they might move on from 0:21:01.040 --> 0:21:03.840 it because of that. But like I also was just 0:21:03.920 --> 0:21:06.480 moving on material wise, like I put it on the 0:21:06.520 --> 0:21:09.760 album and at the same time, so the album came 0:21:09.800 --> 0:21:14.840 out like in probably twenty fourteen or fifteen, and at 0:21:14.880 --> 0:21:18.120 the same time, I booked a lot of colleges, and 0:21:18.160 --> 0:21:21.760 I was not doing that joke at colleges. Oh no, 0:21:22.160 --> 0:21:25.240 you weren't doing any of the colleges. Really, Well, here's 0:21:25.280 --> 0:21:29.320 my thing about colleges. It's not because they're sensitive. It's 0:21:29.359 --> 0:21:34.879 because they're virgins. They're too scared of your advanced sex material. Really, 0:21:35.119 --> 0:21:38.240 I would have thought totally the opposite. So college gigs 0:21:38.240 --> 0:21:40.280 are not what you think they are, at least they 0:21:40.320 --> 0:21:42.920 weren't when I first started doing them. College gigs are 0:21:43.720 --> 0:21:49.560 entertainment provided by the school, and that entertainment is there 0:21:49.640 --> 0:21:53.440 as an alternative to drinking. Oh, unless you're a really 0:21:53.480 --> 0:21:55.679 famous comedian that everybody wants to come see. But if 0:21:55.680 --> 0:21:58.359 you're just the random comedian getting booked, you know, for 0:21:58.400 --> 0:22:02.119 their entertainment series, you know, student activities board, like you know, 0:22:02.200 --> 0:22:06.680 whatever comedy night at the lounge, you know, that is 0:22:06.720 --> 0:22:10.240 an alter programming that the school offers as an alternative 0:22:10.320 --> 0:22:13.119 to getting drunk off your ass. And who comes to 0:22:13.200 --> 0:22:18.960 those things under age? Underclass, you know, lower class. Uh, 0:22:19.000 --> 0:22:20.840 not not lower class, but you know whatever. The term 0:22:20.920 --> 0:22:24.400 is first now, by the way, freshman, I learned this freshman, 0:22:24.520 --> 0:22:27.239 sophomore and all those are outdated terms. Now it's first year, 0:22:27.320 --> 0:22:29.760 second year, third year, fourth year. That's very British. That 0:22:29.760 --> 0:22:33.040 sounds like something from Harry Potter, right, canceled unfortunately, but 0:22:33.080 --> 0:22:36.840 that was inflicted by millennium. Okay, interesting, Wait why is freshman? Okay, 0:22:36.840 --> 0:22:40.160 I mean I can understand, I don't I think as man. Maybe. Yeah, 0:22:40.200 --> 0:22:42.280 I'm sure there's other reasons. I'm sure it's roots are 0:22:42.280 --> 0:22:46.760 in like yeah, hazing, roots are probably racism, probably racism. Yeah, 0:22:46.800 --> 0:22:53.080