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Speaker 1: Hey, and welcome to What Future. I'm your host, Joshua

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Speaker 1: to Pulski, I'm back, and I should say that two things.

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Speaker 1: One is Lyra, my producer. We were on video a

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Speaker 1: second ago, and now her video is I have to

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Speaker 1: take a screenshot at this because it's almost kind of beautiful.

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Speaker 1: Something has happened to her image, her video image here

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Speaker 1: that it has just turned it into a kind of

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Speaker 1: purple hued gradient, pixelated blur. Lyra, are you we're seeing

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Speaker 1: this on your end? No, it's just normal video for me. Really,

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Speaker 1: did you do a screenshot? I did a screenshot. I'm

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Speaker 1: going to share now he went back to normal. I'm

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Speaker 1: going to share with you. Not a great look for me,

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Speaker 1: but for you. Kind of a transcendent? Is it my aura?

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Speaker 1: I don't know, but it's fucking pretty beautiful, and I'm

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Speaker 1: going to send it to you right now. Well I

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Speaker 1: just have to here we go, Oh wow, that interesting. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't know where they came from, but it's kind

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Speaker 1: of beautiful. It reminds me of old Microsoft word gradients. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I can see where you're coming from with that. The

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Speaker 1: word art at any rate. So you know, we're just

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Speaker 1: starting the show here and then we had this weird

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Speaker 1: little glitch where you turned into a beautiful purple gradient,

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Speaker 1: which I think is really says everything you need to

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Speaker 1: know about today's episode. I believe you know. I don't

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Speaker 1: want to waste any time because it's a great conversation

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Speaker 1: for the listener to hear and I think for us

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Speaker 1: to experience as a group together. My guest today is

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Speaker 1: an incredible comedian, a fantastic writer, an Emmy Award winner,

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Speaker 1: old friend of mine, and someone I'm so pleased to

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Speaker 1: have on the show. I'm of course talking about Sarah Schaeffer,

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Speaker 1: the one and only we met on Late Night with

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Speaker 1: Jimmy Fallon. Yeah, it was a long time ago. I

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Speaker 1: think Obama was president when we met. Yeah, just to

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Speaker 1: give you an idea, I'm trying to think he ran

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Speaker 1: against McCain? Is that right? Was that the first? And

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Speaker 1: then he who was the who did he run against

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Speaker 1: for the second one? This is fucked up? Mitt Romney?

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Speaker 1: Or was Mitt Romney twenty twelve? Yeah? Mitt Romney was

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Speaker 1: was twenty twelve? I think? Okay, Lyras say yes it

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Speaker 1: was not in yes, So the first one was John McCain,

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Speaker 1: who everybody loved the Maverick. Great guy. Yeah, great guy.

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Speaker 1: Uh pow. And then Sarah Palin was his running mate.

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Speaker 1: By the way, that's not what we were supposed to

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Speaker 1: be talking about, but it's fine. What are we supposed

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Speaker 1: to be talking about? Eric Plin was like a proto

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Speaker 1: Trump in a way, like she was really racist. She

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Speaker 1: was always talking about how like white people weren't getting

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Speaker 1: a fair shake. Yeah it was. It was tea party, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: tea Party ship, the Rise of the Tea Party. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And now, of course we have empirical data to support

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Speaker 1: that white people have never gotten a fair shake. Oh. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: it's so unfair, speaking as it as a Jew who

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Speaker 1: passes for white. Um. You know, I can tell you

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Speaker 1: I've hit a lot of roadblocks in my life. So

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Speaker 1: then yeah, once twelve he ran against Mitt Romney. Remember

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Speaker 1: Mitt Romney had the big scandal, the binders full of

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Speaker 1: women scandal, which I don't even remember that, yea what

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Speaker 1: it was about, but whatever, I see a binder. Here's

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Speaker 1: how fucking impactful the Binder's full of women thing was.

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Speaker 1: I have a daughter. Her name is Zelda. She is

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Speaker 1: nine years old, and she's into musicals and she puts

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Speaker 1: together like scripts from musicals in binders. We have binders,

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Speaker 1: so many binders in the house, and every fucking time

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Speaker 1: brain immediately goes to the phrase binders full of women.

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Speaker 1: It's like automatic, well, it's crazy. Do you remember what

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Speaker 1: the binders were? I believe somebody asked him, like at

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Speaker 1: should not say he has binders full of women. Like

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Speaker 1: little bit. And it didn't help him beat Obama. No

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Speaker 1: it did not. But all right, Sarah, let me just

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Speaker 1: say now that we've been talking for a few minutes.

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Speaker 1: You are a comedian. Yeah, unfortunately you stand up comedy.

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Speaker 1: You have several several albums, right, more than one? Um, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I have two albums severe, Yeah, I'm good accounting. And

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Speaker 1: in case you're wondering, this is Sarah Schaeffer, a pronouncing

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Speaker 1: it was so funny. I did this stand up show

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Speaker 1: in comedy where some younger comedians treat me with respect.

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Speaker 1: Others don't. They're like, who are you? That's interesting, But

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Speaker 1: like that kind of thing. Really they say, they say,

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Speaker 1: miss Schaeffer, Wow, that's nice. No, No, that's the attitude.

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Speaker 1: Though he had obviously been taught always ask how people's

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Speaker 1: he's like, how do you say your last name? Is

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Speaker 1: it Chaffer? And he like almost put a French accent on,

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Speaker 1: I've never heard of there of any I've maybe heard

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Speaker 1: You know, this this new generation. Yeah, they're so so respectful,

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Speaker 1: they're so ahead of the curve that they'll completely change

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Speaker 1: the pronunciation of your name. They never assume assume that

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Speaker 1: It could be absolutely anything going on in that name. Well,

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Speaker 1: I've noticed in my zoomer niece and nephew. I have

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Speaker 1: They frequently will refer to people as they. Yeah, that's right,

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Speaker 1: you know that they're talking about. But they'll be like, oh,

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Speaker 1: heard that before. And I just think it's becoming part

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Speaker 1: I don't think they're being like I'm not assuming general.

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Speaker 1: I don't think they're being overly sensitive. I just think

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Speaker 1: that that's more normal for them to, like, you think

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Speaker 1: people they don't know as they right, it's a safe bet.

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Speaker 1: It's like, oh, that's a stranger. I don't really know

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Speaker 1: But also it's it's like utilitarian is what you're saying, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I guess that sort of makes sense. I mean, obviously

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Speaker 1: I endorse any pronoun. I'm happy to use that pronoun

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Speaker 1: whatever makes the person most comfortable whatever they feel comfortable with. However,

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Speaker 1: the only time I get tripped up, and I probably

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Speaker 1: have talked about this before on some podcasts in the past,

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Speaker 1: It just takes from getting used to kind of be

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Speaker 1: I'm fine with it because I'm used to news articles

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Speaker 1: referring to one person, but you don't know who it was, right,

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Speaker 1: So in writing, I'm actually okay with it. I've struggled

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Speaker 1: They were like, I know the difference, Like, if you

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Speaker 1: nobody's doing that. I mean, and if they are, then

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Speaker 1: it's the problem of like a person who's fucking with

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Speaker 1: I think what's tough, what actually is tough? Just generally speaking.

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Speaker 1: I don't have no idea. I don't even remember how

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Speaker 1: we got this conversation. It's because we're now we're down.

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Speaker 1: Now we're making headlines. Now we're now we're making headlines,

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Speaker 1: like we're both Actually this is a total aside. I

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Speaker 1: was scrolling through Twitter and I saw a tweet of yours.

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Speaker 1: This is gonna this is either gonna be really uncomfortable

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Speaker 1: and gross or great. Oh no, but I saw a

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Speaker 1: I shouldn't even bring this up to say it, say it,

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Speaker 1: but I stopped in my feed. I was like, is

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Speaker 1: Sarah talking about squirting? Oh my god? How old are

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Speaker 1: we going back in these taps? So I don't know,

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Speaker 1: I just saw it, just like a month ago. You

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Speaker 1: here thing, I hadn't heard Your Believe the second album, right, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's my first album. Yeah, I didn't hear the joke. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so wait, you're very PG in my mind for whatever reason.

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Speaker 1: I don't know why. Like maybe it's because I'm overall

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Speaker 1: percent of marriages or whatever, it's too adult. It's too adult.

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Speaker 1: Like it's not even that they're like, they're just like, oh,

423
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:54,000
Speaker 1: this is like old people jokes talk about something I understand, right,

424
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:56,800
Speaker 1: And so eventually, like, you know, I had other material

425
00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,920
Speaker 1: that worked better, and I would like rearrange my ass

426
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:04,320
Speaker 1: acting stuff. And then I also was enjoying the challenge

427
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:06,560
Speaker 1: of coming up with material that would work in front

428
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Speaker 1: of almost any crowd except for dumb dumbs, right. I

429
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:15,359
Speaker 1: always enjoy doing shows for a higher like emotional intelligence

430
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:19,320
Speaker 1: type crowd, or even just that they understand basic stuff

431
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:23,400
Speaker 1: in life and the world. Or I guess I guess

432
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:27,959
Speaker 1: the term is like more nerdy, you know, ignorant stupid

433
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 1: audiences that's not your well say, generally they hate me

434
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:35,200
Speaker 1: because I'm too. I mean, I get comments all the time,

435
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 1: like on on Facebook and stuff, because they'll run ads

436
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 1: for my shows and I'll see the comments that people

437
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,040
Speaker 1: leave because it's just a random person seeing a video

438
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,159
Speaker 1: of me being like, hi, come to my show, and

439
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:47,040
Speaker 1: people will be like, oh, this is awful. She's annoying.

440
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 1: She's obviously a Democrat, you know, and it's like, okay,

441
00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:52,639
Speaker 1: you know, like look, don't look at my show. They

442
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 1: ad worked as intended. I do not want you at

443
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Speaker 1: my show or near me. Ever your like that. I mean,

444
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:03,360
Speaker 1: it's just leaving a negative comment in general is already

445
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 1: a sign in my opinion, that like we don't need

446
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:07,960
Speaker 1: to be around each other. I think about that all that.

447
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 1: I think about the comment thing all the time, which

448
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:12,359
Speaker 1: is like the effort it takes, Yeah, the effort it

449
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Speaker 1: takes to stop and post a comment to me, I'm like,

450
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:16,959
Speaker 1: and I don't want I'm not trying to be like,

451
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 1: oh you know, it's not from me or whatever. I

452
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Speaker 1: just I just feel like the idea of that I

453
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Speaker 1: would ever stop and spend time put in a publicly

454
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Speaker 1: viewable like shit post underneath something else, like it's unless

455
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Speaker 1: it's really extreme someone else's personal page. Like I've never

456
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Speaker 1: done that, Like I have commented, I've critiqued things and

457
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Speaker 1: culture and like been like chumps, you know, probably smells

458
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Speaker 1: like a wet French fry, you know, like like I mean,

459
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Speaker 1: those were the days remember red French fry, which, by

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Speaker 1: the way, wet French fry fry smells fine actually like christs,

461
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Speaker 1: just like a regular French fry. Am I think? Am

462
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Speaker 1: I crazy? Yeah? Cold wet French fry. I don't know, Yeah,

463
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Speaker 1: I'll actually he does not smell like that, actually I know.

464
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Speaker 1: But human human ski and shouldn't smell like that, you

465
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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Okay, I mean, I guess that's

466
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,160
Speaker 1: up a good point. You need to get that looked at.

467
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 1: But I've done negative comments like that online. You know

468
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,719
Speaker 1: where it's on my paint and you would have to

469
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 1: read me to see it. Right, but I would never

470
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Speaker 1: go onto someone else. And trust me, I've been tempted

471
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Speaker 1: at times and like I want to just rip this

472
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Speaker 1: person up, but I never done that. And I've never

473
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Speaker 1: even put a thumbs down on like a YouTube video

474
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Speaker 1: that just meals really, no thumbs down is weird, Like

475
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Speaker 1: what's the point, what's the point, Like you're just pushing

476
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 1: You're throwing negativity into the void. Like yeah, like you

477
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:40,720
Speaker 1: don't like it, Okay, then don't fucking watch it again,

478
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 1: like stop watching it and leave. Yeah, yeah, just move on.

479
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 1: I have like, okay, to your point. I mean, I've

480
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:49,439
Speaker 1: definitely like responded to like Elon Musk saying something stupid

481
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Speaker 1: bite saying like like something probably trying to be somewhat

482
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Speaker 1: inquisitive or constructive, not just a random like yeah, I've

483
00:26:56,480 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 1: dunked on public figures before. But yeah, yeah that's a

484
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 1: different story. That's a whole different deal. I mean, but like,

485
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 1: but the idea that you're stuff, I mean, I don't know.

486
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 1: I guess they think that they think that I'm a

487
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 1: public figure and I deserve to be destroyed. And it's

488
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,360
Speaker 1: sort of like, okay, well you are an Emmy Award

489
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 1: winning Emmy award winning comedian, writer, a podcaster. You ran

490
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 1: the late night which we found tumbler account true or false?

491
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,400
Speaker 1: Did you actually put tumbler posts up for a late

492
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 1: night show, probably the first and only late night show

493
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,159
Speaker 1: ever to post on top. It didn't last very long. No,

494
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Speaker 1: there should be an award for because tumbler like went

495
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 1: away very quickly after that. Yeah, Tumbler is the is

496
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Speaker 1: Twitter of the past. Yeah, the future of Twitter. I

497
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:40,879
Speaker 1: hopefully Tumbler's past is Twitter's future, you know what I mean?

498
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,160
Speaker 1: They said anyhow, But getting back to speaking your mind,

499
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Speaker 1: being able to speak, you know, as a modern day philosopher,

500
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 1: of course, we know comedians are the only people who

501
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 1: can speak truth to power in this world, only us. Yeah. Now,

502
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 1: obviously we're living in an age of extreme canceling. Stream

503
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,119
Speaker 1: is everywhere you turn, no matter what you say, no

504
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 1: matter what you who you're saying it about, no matter

505
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 1: how you say it. Yeah, someone will come out of

506
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 1: the woodwork and get you canceled permanently off of the

507
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 1: face of the planet. Do you feel that in this

508
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 1: era of comedy that you're in in the world and

509
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 1: sort of thinking about, you know, how you can speak,

510
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 1: do you feel I mean, what's interesting. You just told

511
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 1: a story where your actual speech was definitely fully suppressed

512
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 1: by like the behavior of other people. It's not suppressed,

513
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 1: but definitely like I've been influenced by others. Yeah. Yeah,

514
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 1: there is a constant drumbeat of this idea that it's

515
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Speaker 1: your speech is just being limited and narrowed to a

516
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Speaker 1: fine lib cut talking point. Do you feel that way

517
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Speaker 1: as a as a as one of the last truth

518
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Speaker 1: tellers out there, I'm the only comedian left. They're all debt.

519
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 1: You're actually murdered for you're executed. They don't just cancel

520
00:28:56,560 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 1: You're you're killed, You're turned into soiler. Yeah, they put

521
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 1: in the chopper. So I have a show right now

522
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 1: that I'm doing. It's a solo show, comedic solo show.

523
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: It's called Going Up, and it's a fake seminar on

524
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 1: how to make it in the comedy business. And I

525
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:18,479
Speaker 1: comment on that exact question heavily in the show. But

526
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 1: to answer it straightforward, you know, because I've thought a

527
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 1: lot about it, you better have a great answer that well,

528
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 1: I've I've channeled a lot of my commentary on this

529
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 1: into the show because I actually chose to allow people

530
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Speaker 1: to silence me. Not the example I gave you, because

531
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 1: I think that was more like my just not wanting

532
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 1: to deal. No one was trying to silence me. They

533
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 1: were actually trying to get me to talk more about it.

534
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 1: They're actually like, but inadvertently silence here by being annoyed. Yeah, right,

535
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 1: they didn't mean to do that. That's not what that was.

536
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 1: But I you know, a few years back, I was

537
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Speaker 1: very I was for many years. I was very vocal

538
00:29:56,800 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 1: on Twitter about women in comedy, about comedy stuff. And

539
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 1: then the Louis c k stuff happened, and maybe what

540
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 1: he waited what six months before making a comeback? Yeah,

541
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Speaker 1: a few episodes ago talking to Nick Turner Media Love,

542
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 1: and we were talking about that he sells out Masis

543
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 1: and Square Garden. Oh he's fine, Like nobody's bating this,

544
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 1: like nothing happened, right, Well, he's been canceled permanently and

545
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 1: can no longer get work except for selling that Madison

546
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 1: Square Garden. That's it, right, Well, they always go He

547
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 1: lost thirty million dollars, He lost thirty million in potential income.

548
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 1: And like, if you don't understand how TV contracts work

549
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 1: and development deals work, then you don't realize he didn't.

550
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 1: He didn't have thirty million dollars deleted from his bank account.

551
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 1: That's that how it happened, you know. Yeah, but we

552
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Speaker 1: you know, we had deleted from our from the bank

553
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Speaker 1: account of culture is another season of Louis right, right,

554
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 1: exactly when you think about it, there was right, there

555
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 1: wasn't might be lost. But hello, if you are working

556
00:30:54,440 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 1: in TV or movies, but especially in TV, canceling can

557
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 1: happen for any reason, as stupid as a network president going,

558
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: I don't like it anymore, thank you know, like right,

559
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 1: like right. In fact, every single person in TV gets

560
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 1: their show canceled at some point, and the reasons never

561
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 1: make sense. So why are we being so sensitive when

562
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 1: it's like, maybe they don't like you any gay, Maybe

563
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 1: you kind of freaked them out and they don't want

564
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 1: to work. People were just looking for an excuse. Maybe

565
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 1: they're like, this is it we can finally get rid

566
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 1: of No, but I'm just saying, but I'm saying, you

567
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 1: can be your stuff, your career, your TV career can

568
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 1: be canceled. It's that's like where the term came from

569
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 1: in terms of like, oh a show gets canceled. That's

570
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 1: oginate is literally and then and then canceled culture became

571
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Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it came from like black culture, or

572
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 1: I think black Twitter might have originated all the best

573
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Speaker 1: I start as I know, all the best, most interesting

574
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 1: things happening in culture come from black Twitter and black culture. Yeah,

575
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 1: of course there was the cancel culture is a term

576
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 1: that was appropriated. Yeah. No. The thing I think I

577
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 1: think all the time about what like white supremiss is

578
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 1: like the world that they imagine would be so boring

579
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 1: and so devoid of anything like fun or interesting happening,

580
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 1: like the white pro like white people just produce so

581
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 1: little that is good and interesting at this point, and

582
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 1: I lay massas as a white person with the podcast,

583
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 1: so you know, I think, you know, I'm in a

584
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 1: unique vantage point it. Oh yeah, so I was pretty

585
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 1: vocal about stuff. I was talking about that whole thing,

586
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 1: like why are we crying for Luis? Why are we

587
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 1: acting like Hollywood was fair up until this point, right, Welcome,

588
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 1: welcome to it being unfair, Welcome to it making sense

589
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 1: to you, Welcome to it being fickle. Yeah, well, you know,

590
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:52,239
Speaker 1: like welcome to it being well. And then there's good, right,

591
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,239
Speaker 1: like pretty good reasons you know, like, right, it's not

592
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 1: just like somebody didn't like his act, you know, it's

593
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: like he had real problem, right and so, and it's

594
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 1: a lie ability and he was doing shit on set

595
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 1: and that's why people, Oh, I didn't do anything. It's

596
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 1: like you didn't read the same articles that I did.

597
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 1: I mean, like, so, anyway, I'm not going to rehash it.

598
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 1: I literally can't. I'll no, no, no no, no. But it's

599
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 1: so fascinated to talk about, though, I get it, Like

600
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 1: this is really the second time in recent podcast history

601
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 1: for me that I've this has come up, and I

602
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 1: do think it's endlessly fascinating just because I think this

603
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 1: topic of cancel culture, you know, this idea of cancelation

604
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 1: seems so pervasive, and yet if you look at people

605
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 1: who've been canceled because of their speech or whatever, which

606
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 1: is not the case in his case, and really in

607
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 1: any of these, people always act like the Louis c

608
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 1: Kay thing is a freedom of speech issue, right, And

609
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, actually, it was like a workplace safety

610
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: issue and like a human issue, and some of it

611
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 1: was borderline criminal depending on the state you're in. And like,

612
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 1: you know, so anyway, I was vocal about that stuff,

613
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 1: and I was really pissed off and annoyed when he

614
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 1: came back so quickly, and like there were articles going

615
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 1: around about bookers saying they would book him and their

616
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 1: stage is open to anyone and all this stuff, and

617
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 1: it was digging into all those things we were just

618
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,359
Speaker 1: touching on, and I was tweeting about that shit, and

619
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,359
Speaker 1: I got kind of in the crosshairs of like the

620
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 1: worst people, which is comedy like bro comedy fans, comedy defenders. Yeah,

621
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 1: I call them shit head island, and like male comedy

622
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 1: fans of that ilk are so toxic and they well

623
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Speaker 1: male male fans. Can I just say, like in my

624
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 1: experience and this is not just say that this is

625
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:34,840
Speaker 1: not unique because I think what your saying it is.

626
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 1: But and I'm sorry, I just totally cut you off

627
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 1: like a huge dickhead, like shut up a second and

628
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 1: let me make a point. But like male fans of

629
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 1: anything are bad in my can get very and their

630
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,840
Speaker 1: they take on different flavors or whatever, but this fandom

631
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 1: is pretty toxic and they really hate, uh, female comedians

632
00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 1: who talk about this stuff. And they I've seen how

633
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 1: they've after many of us and me included, and that

634
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 1: at that time, it also bubbled up to fellow comics

635
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 1: fighting with me and being mean to me and like

636
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:14,240
Speaker 1: kind of sticking their fans on me, and it really

637
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,800
Speaker 1: it hit me at a vulnerable time in my life.

638
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:21,280
Speaker 1: It really affected me, and I saw and was told

639
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 1: things that were just so cruel and some of it

640
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 1: was scary, and it was just like I had people

641
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 1: in my life being like, you need to stop with that,

642
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 1: and not that they were blaming me, but I made

643
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 1: a promise to myself and to my husband, like because

644
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 1: it would just take me out, you know, and I

645
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 1: would just be spiraling and like freaking out, and it

646
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 1: just triggered so much anxiety and me and I mean

647
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:51,439
Speaker 1: having like physical symptoms and stuff. And ye like when

648
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 1: I see someone getting harassed online, even if they were

649
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,359
Speaker 1: really horrible for what they said, then they come back

650
00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: with the I'm getting death threats and this is ruined,

651
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 1: you know, and it's like, I know what that feels like.

652
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 1: It is not okay there, you know, Yeah, no, it's

653
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 1: very abnormal. I have had a couple of not to

654
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,840
Speaker 1: the yeah yeah, and we never talked to like certainly

655
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 1: a woman who's online. I know that my experience could

656
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 1: never possibly begin to approach. No, you're human being and like,

657
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 1: you know people, but but yeah, so I got attacked

658
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 1: and I what I said was so mild. I didn't

659
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 1: even say anything that inflammatory. I just said it's boring

660
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 1: to book Louis k right, And I was just kind

661
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 1: of and I had a little thread and I was like,

662
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 1: get over yourselves, like like you know, and I just

663
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,800
Speaker 1: was sort of like blah, like this is so boring.

664
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 1: Please You're not edgy or special, and like you're not

665
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,959
Speaker 1: cool for this, and I mean, you go after whether

666
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 1: or not someone's cool. They don't like that. So I

667
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 1: got I got that kind of attacked and um, and

668
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:57,800
Speaker 1: I made a promise to stop tweeting about comedy debates,

669
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 1: you know, when Chappelle was say something or like just

670
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:04,320
Speaker 1: having opinions on my own business. And I just tried

671
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 1: it for a while. I gave it a try, and

672
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 1: it was incredible how they successfully did silence me and

673
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:15,879
Speaker 1: it actually worked. You know, like when a big group

674
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 1: of people are telling you to go kill yourself or

675
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 1: like quit or stop, they're guessing at what would hit you.

676
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 1: And it is funny how when I stopped commenting on

677
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: the thing that I know the most about my own business,

678
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 1: my own career, my own experiences as a woman in comedy.

679
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:40,879
Speaker 1: The harassment stopped right and then the few times I've

680
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 1: just tiptoed back in, it starts again, and it's like, wow,

681
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 1: they know that. I think that, whether conscious or not,

682
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,720
Speaker 1: they're they're trying to get you to shut the fuck

683
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 1: up about it. I chose that I have friends who

684
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 1: are like you will never silence me. Fuck you, I'm

685
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 1: going to go even harder. They can handle it. I

686
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 1: cannot handle a certain level once it gets past a

687
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 1: certain level of harassment, Like I can't. It's not good

688
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 1: for me. So I chose to stop. So is my

689
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 1: freedom of speech being curtailed? Technically no, but it's like

690
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 1: a platform is being abused to bully people into silence

691
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 1: and like make it say they're faced with this kind

692
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 1: of choice if they aren't made of steel, you know.

693
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 1: I mean, first off, like, what's so interesting just hearing

694
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 1: your perspective on this is that it is such a

695
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 1: common And I don't mean I'm not saying, wow, this

696
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 1: doesn't matter, but I'm saying what you're describing is such

697
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 1: a common thread of online interaction and having been in

698
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 1: some moments not too dissimilar from what you're describing, where

699
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 1: you've got like a mob of people, like it is

700
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 1: a mob. And I think you're largely talking about Twitter.

701
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 1: I don't know other platforms. There happened on other platforms,

702
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 1: but Twitter is like, for me, was the most toxic place. Yeah. Yeah,

703
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 1: it's design and to this day, it's design is fashioned

704
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 1: in such a way that quote tweet, it has given

705
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 1: a mob all of the tools it needs now in

706
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 1: the same way that you can say anything you want

707
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,319
Speaker 1: and gets broadcast out to the world that can be

708
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:32,399
Speaker 1: immediately turned around and and there can be like an

709
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,919
Speaker 1: inverse of the world broadcasting back at you. Right, Yeah,

710
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 1: And I think that, like you know, it's like one

711
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:40,399
Speaker 1: too many and then many to one. It's like a way,

712
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 1: it's like the streets that it functions on, right, the

713
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 1: pathways that it functions on. And it is such a

714
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 1: it is such a cruel, weird, negative form of interaction,

715
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 1: like with no there's no buffer, there's no barrier, there's

716
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 1: no time out, there's no there's no way to stem

717
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,800
Speaker 1: the tide. If a thousand people decide at this moment

718
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:01,320
Speaker 1: that you're going to be the target or one hundred

719
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 1: thousand people the target of their ire Nothing can stop

720
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 1: that except you turning, you know, deleting the app and

721
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 1: not looking at it. And I think that like, as

722
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 1: human beings, I mean, in a way, it's unnatural for

723
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 1: us to share in real time anything that we think

724
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 1: unless we're talking. If like, like you and I are

725
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 1: having a real time conversation, we're not in the same room,

726
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 1: would be preferable if we were, I think, just generally

727
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 1: in life, but like this is a normal interaction, you

728
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 1: and I exchanging ideas in real time, but like to

729
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 1: have a real time idea out there and then get

730
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 1: this like immediate torrent of unchecked feedback or vitriol or

731
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:43,240
Speaker 1: whatever is a totally unnatural an unhealthy way in which

732
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:46,840
Speaker 1: we interact or that we've developed an interaction on the internet.

733
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 1: And I do think, like not to go back to

734
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 1: elon Mosk or whatever, but I do think this, what

735
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 1: is happening now on that particular platform is probably like

736
00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:00,360
Speaker 1: we're seeing the kind of twilight of one both like

737
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:02,879
Speaker 1: the people who want that the kind of people who

738
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 1: want to have that interaction, also just that platform's ability

739
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 1: or almost any platform's ability to like amplify in the

740
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 1: same exact way. Like I think like people are kind

741
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 1: of moving on from that, but yeah, but it is

742
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 1: like we have, like over the last like almost two decades,

743
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 1: created a bunch of avenues of communication that at first

744
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 1: seemed brilliant and useful and fun when we met. Twitter

745
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 1: was not the same thing. It was like when Jimmy

746
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 1: was doing funny bits with Twitter, it was like it

747
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 1: was just felt like a small community. And in the

748
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 1: second it gets like as big as it as it

749
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 1: has gotten, it becomes you know, untenable, and I think, like, well,

750
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:41,319
Speaker 1: and then the usage of it was different and it

751
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:44,839
Speaker 1: was structured different. I think people are realizing like how

752
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 1: I mean, and it's not just Twitter, but like how

753
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:53,240
Speaker 1: helpless you are to a tech company. Changing just simple

754
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 1: things about the structure or the way the platform works

755
00:41:56,320 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 1: can really have a negative effect on you or what

756
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:03,399
Speaker 1: you use the platform for. Like even since Elon took over,

757
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like every day as a new adventure,

758
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, what's this. You know, it used to

759
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 1: be Twitter was where you would go for like real

760
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 1: time events, when things would happen, you'd be catching up

761
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 1: on it. But now they've restructured it so that you

762
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:17,280
Speaker 1: go on and you're just seeing a mishmash of random

763
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:19,959
Speaker 1: tweets from all different time periods, and it's not really

764
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:24,280
Speaker 1: a feed, a real time feed anymore. And the trend

765
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 1: you're trending topics are so tailored and so algorithmized to

766
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 1: you that you don't even realize, like I'll miss major

767
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 1: news events because like I was relying on Twitter for

768
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 1: so long for news and now I'm like, oh, I

769
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 1: can't check Twitter for news right now, they've changed it.

770
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 1: But also like as a creator, as somebody who's trying

771
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 1: to sell tickets to a tour, my Twitter presence, Instagram presence,

772
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,839
Speaker 1: all of that stuff has a direct impact on my

773
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 1: ability to pay my rent, Like there is a pipeline there,

774
00:42:55,760 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 1: rent pipeline. Yeah, And you know I was told three

775
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 1: months ago, like you gotta do reels, reels on Instagram,

776
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 1: that's what they're prioritizing. And then I happened to see

777
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 1: a Twitter thread from someone I don't even follow, who

778
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 1: like works in marketing saying they've received the message that

779
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 1: now meta is going on Facebook, Instagram now they're deprioritizing reels.

780
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 1: This is like within months and now they're prioritizing carousels.

781
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 1: Oh are they? That's good because I've got a lot

782
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 1: of pictures. All right, Well, I mean and you know

783
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 1: your engagement if you do anything that links to a

784
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 1: ticket link, it's like they know, and they're like, you're

785
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 1: gonna get one like on this. But then if you

786
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 1: tweet out like poo poo peepee one million life Like

787
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 1: That's why I've shifted my whole Twitter strategy to just

788
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 1: that kind of yeah baby, like a fecal matter baby talk.

789
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 1: But that's it's just like I can't keep up, and

790
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 1: it's like, well, you have so little control over that.

791
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 1: So if you aren't super famous where you're just a

792
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 1: man ending an audience all the time because of that, right,

793
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:07,320
Speaker 1: it's really frustrating. And you know, I'll like tweet out

794
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 1: every time I do a show in a city, you know,

795
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 1: three weeks later, someone's like, come to San Francisco and

796
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:16,839
Speaker 1: I'm like I was just there and you follow me

797
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 1: and you didn't even know about it. And it's so frustrating.

798
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 1: The algorithms like we're not we don't want to share

799
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 1: that borde like you need to you know, get your

800
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 1: ass out or whatever. That's what now, that's what the

801
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:29,359
Speaker 1: people want. But it is to your point about you

802
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 1: being kind of silenced by the mob, Like it has

803
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 1: become less enticing to be real on any social media platform.

804
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 1: They want like a version of you that fits in

805
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 1: with like an algorithm that isn't too controversial, but it's

806
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 1: like controversial or interesting in the right ways for the algorithm.

807
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 1: Inflammatory stuff right right, Inflammatory stuff gets right, gets attention,

808
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 1: and so it's encouraging you to be inflammatory. So it's

809
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 1: encouraging you to get into fights with people and they're

810
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 1: it's like the engine of outrage. Yes, do you ever

811
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:06,800
Speaker 1: go like I should just become like a fucking like Republican,

812
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 1: like a phony Republican, like Maga, like Joe Rogan, you know,

813
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 1: doing my own research whatever, Because like I think about

814
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 1: this all the time. It's like when I used to

815
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 1: make music for a living before I did whatever the

816
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,240
Speaker 1: fuck it is I do, before I was a journalist

817
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 1: a podcast. But like, but I remember thinking like I

818
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 1: would always try to challenge myself. It was actually when

819
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 1: you were talking about the structure of doing the comedy

820
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 1: on college campuses to that audience, I reminded me of

821
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 1: thinking about how I used to make music when I

822
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 1: would like try to use like a certain instrument in

823
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 1: a certain way, but only like limit it to a

824
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 1: certain type of use, or only use this set of

825
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 1: things to make a song or whatever, and it would

826
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 1: be like an interesting challenge to work around it. But

827
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 1: like I would also work really hard to do things

828
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 1: that I felt were like challenging to me intellectually or musically.

829
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:54,840
Speaker 1: I'd be like, let me like make this weirder or

830
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,399
Speaker 1: better or to me, not just like for the sake

831
00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 1: that I think somebody else would like it. But then

832
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 1: I always admire, not admired, but kind of felt jealous

833
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 1: of people who, like when you heard their records, you'd

834
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 1: be like, it really feels like they just did the

835
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 1: most obvious expected thing, And the effect is I think

836
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 1: it's dumb, but they're a lot of people like it,

837
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 1: and it's like it feels below beneath me to have

838
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 1: done something like that, and yet they must be having

839
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 1: such a blast just fucking doing the thing that is

840
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 1: popular or whatever. Yeah, I mean that's a big thing

841
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 1: in comedy. I mean, you've got a lot of comedians

842
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 1: who are very famous and very rich for doing jokes

843
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 1: that are just really really basic or hacky. Yeah, I

844
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 1: mean it's right, it's infuriating. But at the same time,

845
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 1: it's like, well that that's like what all of this

846
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 1: stuff is pushing people towards, is like is like finding

847
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 1: that you know, I guess whatever. It's like, you know,

848
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 1: just kind of figuring out like what is going to

849
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 1: be the thing that hits them the masses. But like

850
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 1: you can't be like being being unique on the platforms

851
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 1: is no longer desirable because like there's either too much

852
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 1: like either too much hate or the algorithm doesn't like it,

853
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 1: or it's not in the right format. And I mean

854
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 1: I'm not like bitching about this like it as an

855
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 1: old person. I don't think you are either. I think

856
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 1: what we're actually talking about is like this weird shift

857
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 1: in culture that has made what seemed to be like

858
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 1: the dawning of a great new way to authentically communicate

859
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 1: with people has in in some ways almost homogenizing back

860
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 1: into like oh yeah, nineteen eighties sitcoms, like like not

861
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:29,799
Speaker 1: that it's the same thing, but that type of like

862
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,839
Speaker 1: cookie cutter. There's a cookie cutter way to do it,

863
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,360
Speaker 1: and people don't really want the other thing. No, And

864
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 1: if you're too ahead of the curve, which this is

865
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 1: like I've always i feel like I'm losing it as

866
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:43,800
Speaker 1: I get older, but like I've always pride of myself

867
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:46,880
Speaker 1: of being like kind of on the on the cutting

868
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 1: edge or the on the finger on the pulse of

869
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 1: like what's cool. I may not be embodying it, but

870
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 1: I'm aware of it, right, I'm like interested always in

871
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 1: what people think is cool, even if I don't understand

872
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:01,359
Speaker 1: it or I'm like I never do in that. I'm

873
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:05,280
Speaker 1: never going to be that you know, um, but I'm

874
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:09,319
Speaker 1: always interested in and I like to experience and read

875
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:12,839
Speaker 1: about stuff like that. And in that way, I'm I'm

876
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 1: good at predicting, like or because I'm a comedian, I'll

877
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:21,240
Speaker 1: do satire. I love satire and commenting on cultural stuff.

878
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 1: And so sometimes I'm commenting on stuff before it's really

879
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:29,359
Speaker 1: hit mainstream, right, and I'm satirizing something that isn't there yet,

880
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 1: and then like a year later, someone else will go,

881
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 1: you know, get famous from doing the thing that I

882
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 1: This is a perfect example, right, I was. I had

883
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 1: a joke and this is now ten years ago probably

884
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:44,959
Speaker 1: I started doing the joke about um those a little

885
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 1: less than ten years ago, maybe like eight or nine

886
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,760
Speaker 1: years ago, I started doing jokes about those inspirational quotes

887
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 1: on like pieces of driftwood, like live, Laugh, Love and

888
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:55,479
Speaker 1: like all that stuff, and I was like the first

889
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 1: comedian that I know of that, and it's on my

890
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 1: half hour special on Comedy Central and really proud of

891
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:04,759
Speaker 1: that material. And I thought I was really kind of

892
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:07,840
Speaker 1: hit it and hit a moment. But I think I

893
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 1: was just a little too early, because now you go

894
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 1: on TikTok, right, and it's like all these trends on

895
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 1: TikTok making fun of those signs, and I'm like, I'm

896
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 1: the original, you know. Also it is in a way

897
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 1: like there is always this thing too of like doing

898
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 1: it early, but also doing it in a way where

899
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 1: you're like it's like a tiny bit too cerebral or

900
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:33,880
Speaker 1: a little bit too yeah yeah, right, like and like

901
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, if I had just bashed this thing

902
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 1: over the head, if I had just done this thing

903
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 1: that was like stupidly obvious but didn't seem That's what

904
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like, doesn't seem satisfying to you or fun

905
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:45,840
Speaker 1: to you or interesting like that. It's like that little tweak.

906
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 1: It's when it gets watered down to that kind of

907
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 1: like blander essence that somehow it becomes like much more palatable. Yeah,

908
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:56,359
Speaker 1: maybe we're just talking about what is broadly considered cool

909
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:58,759
Speaker 1: as often not very cool. But I do think it's

910
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 1: like social media and just generally like how the platforms

911
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:06,799
Speaker 1: interact with our content and what you put out into

912
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:10,359
Speaker 1: the world has been it does feel like increasingly boxed in,

913
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:13,400
Speaker 1: like I think, and for me my career has been

914
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:15,920
Speaker 1: a lot of like we're telling a story of some

915
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 1: type or we're trying to like you know, communicate in

916
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 1: this different way to people. The platforms have only ever

917
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 1: been like a way for the originality to be stripped

918
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 1: out of it and for it to be replaced with

919
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 1: something that's much more like packageable and sellable on a

920
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:36,479
Speaker 1: broad scale, but never about actually serving like the needs

921
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 1: of like an individual creator. That's why, like there are

922
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 1: people who have a million followers on TikTok that is

923
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:44,240
Speaker 1: not a living for them. You could make the funniest

924
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:45,880
Speaker 1: videos in the world of the most interesting videos, and

925
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 1: I see people on TikTok all the time and I'm like, wow,

926
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:51,360
Speaker 1: you're like kind of a genius level creator at doing

927
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:54,240
Speaker 1: this thing. Yeah, and it's so unique and so interesting.

928
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 1: But like that, there is not even if you have

929
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:58,880
Speaker 1: a ton of people watching your videos, or even if

930
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 1: you have a few videos that go viral, to sustain

931
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 1: that and make it a thing. That is a small,

932
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:09,840
Speaker 1: very small portion of these people. It's especially on TikTok,

933
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 1: I mean, because it's there's also pressure on TikTok. I've

934
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:15,359
Speaker 1: noticed people who have gone viral for stuff, especially like

935
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 1: funny people, they have to repeat that and they have

936
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 1: to keep doing the same thing, right, and then they're

937
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:23,759
Speaker 1: stuck in that, and I think that that, yeah, that

938
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:27,359
Speaker 1: is limiting. But also I've seen people be like like

939
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 1: I came across one guy who was making funny videos

940
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 1: but the same type of thing over and over, and

941
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 1: then he was he did a video about how his

942
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:38,839
Speaker 1: views had just dropped, they had just fallen off a

943
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:41,919
Speaker 1: cliff at some point, and that he didn't know why

944
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 1: he still had the same amount of followers, and it

945
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 1: was like clearly a change in the algorithm. Yeah, because

946
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 1: they are sharing a tiny amount of money with people.

947
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:52,319
Speaker 1: It's like if you were just scraping by making like

948
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:55,319
Speaker 1: a little bit on your TikTok millions of followers, which

949
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:56,880
Speaker 1: by the way, it has to be that high to

950
00:51:56,920 --> 00:52:01,319
Speaker 1: make anything. You know, that's beyond czy. And you know,

951
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 1: it's like so it's not sustainable, That's what I'm saying.

952
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 1: You know, YouTube has become sustainable for a select few

953
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 1: or um, and they have an ad system they you know,

954
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:15,360
Speaker 1: it's a more robust thing. But TikTok is very narrow physically,

955
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 1: it's just a narrow little yeah, you know. But also

956
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:21,840
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, YouTube has become more like television

957
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:24,239
Speaker 1: in a way. I mean, right, it's people with like

958
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:29,240
Speaker 1: entire empires built off of like you know, reviewing video

959
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 1: games and or you know, like there's one lady I've

960
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 1: follow that is makes miniatures. You know, really i'd be interested,

961
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 1: you know, and she you can see that she has

962
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 1: like a little business going and she does. Okay, she's

963
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 1: not a millionaire or anything. So yeah, I mean right, no,

964
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 1: there are there are versions of it that are sustainable.

965
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:51,279
Speaker 1: That YouTube is is like closer to almost a traditional

966
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:53,920
Speaker 1: now like traditional television than than But I mean I

967
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 1: think it's just um, you know, going back to the

968
00:52:57,440 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 1: you know, you being early on the jokes. I think

969
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 1: it's one of those things where that thing of getting

970
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 1: stuck in it, of getting stuck doing the same bit

971
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 1: or doing the same joke. Like I do think this

972
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 1: is true in music too. I think about this all

973
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 1: the time. It was like I had, you know, a

974
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:14,000
Speaker 1: record that was sort of successful, and then people wanted

975
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 1: the next one to be just like that one, but

976
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 1: like a little bit different. And I didn't want to

977
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 1: do that because you know when you do something and

978
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 1: you're creative and you're like I got that out of

979
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:22,799
Speaker 1: my system and then you're like, Okay, how can I

980
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 1: tap that or change that or work on something that

981
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 1: goes beyond it. I'm sure I would imagine do this

982
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:29,759
Speaker 1: with your writing and your comedy. And it's like for

983
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:32,759
Speaker 1: a certain type of person that's exciting and they want that.

984
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:35,920
Speaker 1: It's a much smaller percentage of an overall audience that

985
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:39,799
Speaker 1: wants the new and the different and the challenging, and

986
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 1: then there's a larger or much larger audience. And I

987
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 1: guess this is just life, right. You don't know how

988
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:46,400
Speaker 1: many Beatles are there, right, Like the Beatles have this

989
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:49,759
Speaker 1: weird thing where they're like the most fascinating band of

990
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:51,400
Speaker 1: all and maybe you hate the Beatles, but like they

991
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 1: made some of the weirdest music of all time, and

992
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:55,759
Speaker 1: they also happen to be one of the most popular

993
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 1: things of all time. And like there are only a

994
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:02,399
Speaker 1: few instances where that is the case, because usually it's like, oh,

995
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 1: if you make bland shit, like a lot of people

996
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:06,759
Speaker 1: are really gonna like that. And and I don't think

997
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:11,800
Speaker 1: the algorithms have they've created a larger the platforms have

998
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 1: created a larger space for different people to participate in

999
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 1: a creative process, but they haven't figured out a way

1000
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:24,920
Speaker 1: for those people to really make something of it beyond

1001
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 1: like a momentary. It's like yeah, Spike, yeah, you know,

1002
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 1: and it's it's depressing, right, And it's like, I don't know,

1003
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 1: it's changed a lot even since I started comedy, but

1004
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 1: like there used to be just like a pipeline if

1005
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:38,799
Speaker 1: you've got to do a spot on a late night

1006
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:41,480
Speaker 1: show and then that's what that's puts you into the thing.

1007
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:43,919
Speaker 1: But there was also a time period where just being

1008
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:45,920
Speaker 1: booked on a club you were going to sell out

1009
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:48,760
Speaker 1: the club because people went to comedy clubs. And now

1010
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:51,560
Speaker 1: people don't really go to comedy clubs unless they know

1011
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:54,359
Speaker 1: of the person. I don't think it's it's just not

1012
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:57,320
Speaker 1: the same. Like you you have to be famous for something,

1013
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 1: it doesn't have to be for comedy. Like I saw

1014
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 1: this person on TikTok and now well, or like this

1015
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 1: person is a was a UFC fighter and so now

1016
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 1: I will be or like they were their podcast, right, Yeah, yeah,

1017
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 1: I don't know, but like there's a few UFC adjacent

1018
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 1: you know, there's a story about Tom Brady wanted to

1019
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:23,400
Speaker 1: do com Tom Brady's doing comedy. There was a rumor

1020
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:25,440
Speaker 1: going around that he was gonna do comedy, but then

1021
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 1: they announced he's getting roasted. Oh he's They're doing a

1022
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 1: Comedy Central roast, I believe, or I don't know if

1023
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:33,759
Speaker 1: it's Comedy Central, but that's when people do comedy about you. Yeah,

1024
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:36,120
Speaker 1: it was all kind of at the same time. It's unclear,

1025
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 1: but people, you know, were dunking on and there's been

1026
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:40,240
Speaker 1: athletes that have you know, we tried to do stand

1027
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:42,920
Speaker 1: up and musicians and people try to cross over. It's fine,

1028
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:45,920
Speaker 1: but really oh yeah, John Mayer, Oh John Mayer has

1029
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 1: done standing Yeah it didn't go out. Oh really yeah. See,

1030
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:50,760
Speaker 1: I feel like I feel like my time is coming.

1031
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be I can finally break into

1032
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 1: the lucrative world of comedy. Yeah, yeah, will come to

1033
00:55:56,520 --> 00:56:00,440
Speaker 1: my come to my show. It's where you learn, Okay,

1034
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:03,040
Speaker 1: I will, you'll learn how to do it. I teach

1035
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:06,920
Speaker 1: you how to one and show. Yeah, it's called going up. Okay.

1036
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:10,360
Speaker 1: This is a perfect segue too, wrapping up, because I

1037
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:12,719
Speaker 1: just realized we've been talking for a while, like you

1038
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:26,200
Speaker 1: probably have like life things to do. I just want

1039
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 1: to kind of put a little bit of a period

1040
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 1: on this sentence, if you will. Yeah, So what does

1041
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 1: the future hold for a philosopher and truth teller like yourself?

1042
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:37,720
Speaker 1: Are the cancelations so broad and the silencings so massive

1043
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:39,680
Speaker 1: that like there's no more space for this thing in

1044
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 1: our culture anymore? Or is there still a way to

1045
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:47,880
Speaker 1: make that work? Yeah, there's there's plenty of comedians, there's

1046
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 1: not less. There's plenty of stages for us to perform

1047
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:54,839
Speaker 1: on and ways to reach an audience. And no one

1048
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 1: is making that illegal or taking that away from you

1049
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:03,319
Speaker 1: in that way, I think, because that's what we're being

1050
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:07,320
Speaker 1: told that there's no Yeah, right, comedy is not dead.

1051
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:10,680
Speaker 1: You know, people do have a sense of humor, obviously

1052
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:15,480
Speaker 1: they do. Comedy is the driving force of TikTok. It

1053
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:18,600
Speaker 1: was the original driving force of Twitter. Yeah, stand up

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Speaker 1: comedy is interesting because it isn't that old of an

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00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 1: art form, and it evolves over time and it's very

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00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:29,480
Speaker 1: in the moment is you know, it doesn't hold up

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Speaker 1: the way that other forms of art do, like meaning

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00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:38,080
Speaker 1: like Lenny Bruce jokes are really weird to read about

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00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:40,440
Speaker 1: now you know, it's like, oh that doesn't sound fine,

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Speaker 1: you know, but it was like so edgy at that time.

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Speaker 1: I don't even know what Lenny Bruce material would sound like.

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Speaker 1: I guess I don't. I'm not, as you know, I'm

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00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 1: not a student of comedy. There's a little bit of

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00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:52,440
Speaker 1: audio of him, um you can look up. But anyway,

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00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 1: stand up is going to be fine. I just think

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00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 1: that people now we've been through so much and people

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00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 1: are more sensitive in terms of like and and this

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00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:07,000
Speaker 1: is across the board. This is not one political leaning

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00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 1: over another where you just don't have patience to hear

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00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 1: comedy and jokes from someone that is joking about something

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00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:20,720
Speaker 1: that you take very seriously politically or just personally. Like

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Speaker 1: I think that people would probably enjoy the majority of

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00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:32,280
Speaker 1: my material, but because they might be a hardcore Trump supporter,

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Speaker 1: and they know that I'm not, they are going to

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Speaker 1: be able to enjoy it. They just can't hear it. Right.

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Speaker 1: My solo show is very it's specific, and it's it's

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00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:43,640
Speaker 1: a more theatrical thing. It's like for a more I

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00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:50,760
Speaker 1: think sophisticated in pr style audience or nerd comedy nerd audience. Like,

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00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 1: it's not really broad broad regular stand up about food

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00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 1: and relationships. It's not that well my regular my regular

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00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:04,520
Speaker 1: stand up these days is very palatable and it's for anybody.

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Speaker 1: But there are certain people who if they get winned

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00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:09,400
Speaker 1: before the show or during the show that I'm a

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00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 1: feminist or that I'm I think you're a democrat. Yeah,

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00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:17,120
Speaker 1: they fucking folded arms, pissed off. It's usually men, but

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00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:19,920
Speaker 1: women do it too, right, um, and and they freak

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00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:23,080
Speaker 1: out and it's like you can't even hear it. Yeah.

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00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 1: There are comedians who I'm like, I know that of

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00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:28,640
Speaker 1: something that they've said in the past that really pissed

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00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:30,880
Speaker 1: me off, and I think that was damaging and so

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00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 1: I just will never want to hear them talk ever again.

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00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:36,880
Speaker 1: I understand it, right, Well, I think I think for

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00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:41,480
Speaker 1: those people, for anybody who thinks they can't enjoy your comedy.

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00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 1: For anybody who who who thinks that maybe because you're

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00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:48,880
Speaker 1: differing political viewpoints that they can't listen to you and

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00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 1: and and watch you and take something away from it.

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00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:54,080
Speaker 1: I encourage them to put on the Splash Rountain bit

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00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:57,880
Speaker 1: from your first album and just take a just take

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Speaker 1: a listen to that. And if you if you don't

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Speaker 1: find yourself, and then I'm a female comic, and all

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01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:05,160
Speaker 1: female comics do is talk about you. You don't find yourself?

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Speaker 1: Define loudly. Yeah, no matter what where you are on

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01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:12,840
Speaker 1: the political spectrum, no matter where you what politician you support.

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Speaker 1: Um okay. So to wrap up, you have a you're

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01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:18,960
Speaker 1: not referring to it as a one woman show? Is

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01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:22,560
Speaker 1: that an updated I don't want to. I just don't

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01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:24,920
Speaker 1: say that because I people think that that it's like, oh,

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01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:28,959
Speaker 1: it's about your divorce and your trauma, mauma. It's about

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01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:32,680
Speaker 1: it's about my trauma. But it's not. Okay, it's a yeah,

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01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:36,720
Speaker 1: it's like a fun trauma in um capitalism and the

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01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:40,280
Speaker 1: comedy business. Um right. But and what is that called?

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01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:42,840
Speaker 1: It's called going up, going up? And where can one

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01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:46,360
Speaker 1: see or experience going up? If you live in Arizona.

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Speaker 1: I'm doing the show in Tucson on Thursday. Phoenix Friday,

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01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:53,120
Speaker 1: dry heat. There a lot of dry heat, and Tucson

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01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:58,360
Speaker 1: it's moist. It's moist there right now, but it's raining

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01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:02,960
Speaker 1: and snowing and and I'm doing it in Flagstaff on Saturday.

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Speaker 1: That is my solo show. I'm doing it, and all

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01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:07,520
Speaker 1: this is on my social media. You can find it.

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Speaker 1: Just google my name, you'll find all these things. But

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01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:13,200
Speaker 1: I'm also doing the Melbourne Comedy Festival in Australia for

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01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:15,480
Speaker 1: almost a whole month of April. Oh my god, you're

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Speaker 1: going to Australia's exciting. Yeah. And then I'm doing the

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Speaker 1: show there, and I'm doing it in LA when I

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Speaker 1: get back, New York, Texas, Vermont, Indiana. I'm doing it

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Speaker 1: all over the place, And I would love for you

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01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:29,640
Speaker 1: to come to the show because I'm so proud of it,

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Speaker 1: and it involves miniatures and music like it's one of

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Speaker 1: the most creative things I've ever done. And if you

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Speaker 1: just are interested in comedy at all or creative people,

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01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:44,080
Speaker 1: you don't have to know anything about comedy because I'm

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Speaker 1: teaching during it. That's the whole premise. So what do

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01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:51,960
Speaker 1: you leave you actually are a comedian, so the audience members, well,

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01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:54,200
Speaker 1: that's the joke. I'm like in the beginning, I'm the beginning.

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01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:56,360
Speaker 1: I tell everyone that they've signed up for a seminar.

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01:01:56,760 --> 01:01:59,080
Speaker 1: I bring them into a ruse that they've paid two

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Speaker 1: thousand dollars to take the seminar, even though the tickets

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01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:04,880
Speaker 1: are very cheap. Oh, I love this. This works on

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01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:07,400
Speaker 1: so many levels for me. When when you do. First off,

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Speaker 1: if I don't if I can't come and see it

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01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:10,840
Speaker 1: in LA or something I would love, when you're in

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01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:12,240
Speaker 1: New York, you have to give me a heads up

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01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:14,160
Speaker 1: so I can come and see it. You know that

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01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:17,840
Speaker 1: sounds super super interesting. And also it would, like I said,

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Speaker 1: appeal to my um my sick, latent desire to become

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01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:25,640
Speaker 1: I'm telling you it will make later I either really

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01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:28,120
Speaker 1: want to. I've I've had young comics who've come to

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01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:30,880
Speaker 1: the show and been like I actually learned a lot

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01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:33,560
Speaker 1: and that was very helpful. And then other people who

1150
01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:36,840
Speaker 1: are like I'm and it's usually the older comics are like,

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01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:41,320
Speaker 1: you just drew a chalk line around my dead body,

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01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:44,880
Speaker 1: Like I feel, I can't stop thinking about it. I'm

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01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:50,040
Speaker 1: so depressed, but also cathartic like release, you know, like,

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01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:53,440
Speaker 1: oh my god. So now I really want to check

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01:02:53,480 --> 01:02:55,760
Speaker 1: it out because it is so Yeah, it's so germane

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01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:58,600
Speaker 1: to the conversation we're having here about like about this

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01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:01,320
Speaker 1: whole start. I was like, yes, this is right up

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01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:03,959
Speaker 1: my alley right now. You know, I don't I don't

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01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:07,520
Speaker 1: talk about comedy stuff on Twitter anymore, and I put

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Speaker 1: it all in my show. Yeah, see, I want to

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Speaker 1: I want to check that out, Sarah. I have to say,

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Speaker 1: this has been such a fun and an interesting conversation

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01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:18,960
Speaker 1: and like we should talk more. Yeah, and like I

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01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:20,640
Speaker 1: don't know how many years has been since the last one,

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01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:23,240
Speaker 1: but just like I feel like every every time we talk,

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01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:25,440
Speaker 1: and frankly like from the moment I met you, like

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01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:28,920
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm learning something new every time we chat.

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01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:31,040
Speaker 1: And this has been such a cool experience. So you

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01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:33,280
Speaker 1: have to come back maybe after you have done like

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Speaker 1: a run of these shows, and then we can find out, like, yeah,

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01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:38,400
Speaker 1: you know what's going on seeing it? Then we do it.

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Speaker 1: After I see it, I could I could do a

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01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:44,320
Speaker 1: real time review of Ye, Sarah, I was disappointed. I

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01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:47,760
Speaker 1: walked out of the theater somewhat upset about the whole thing. Anyhow,

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Speaker 1: this is great. Thank you so much, and and do

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01:03:50,280 --> 01:04:01,200
Speaker 1: come back as soon as possible. Thank you. I will well.

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01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:04,280
Speaker 1: I have to be honest with you. That conversation gave

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01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:05,880
Speaker 1: me a lot of food for thought. It left me

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01:04:06,040 --> 01:04:10,800
Speaker 1: really questioning everything you know about my comedy career. It

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01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:13,080
Speaker 1: made me really think this is this right for me?

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01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:15,320
Speaker 1: Is it should I continue on with my comedy career

1182
01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:18,720
Speaker 1: or is it time to hang up the old fedora

1183
01:04:18,840 --> 01:04:21,840
Speaker 1: and overcoat which is part of my aufit I wear

1184
01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:24,760
Speaker 1: when I do when I do my routine, my type five.

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01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:27,760
Speaker 1: It's funny that you say that, because that's that's a

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01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:31,320
Speaker 1: joke in her solo show. What I won't say where

1187
01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:36,680
Speaker 1: it happens or what it is it show? Are you serious?

1188
01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:39,640
Speaker 1: That's weird because like I have no knowledge of her

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01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:42,760
Speaker 1: comedy special whatsoever. It's so good. I feel like Sarah

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Speaker 1: and I are just very connected. You know. That whole

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01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:48,200
Speaker 1: conversation just flowed very naturally. Anyhow, that is our show

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01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:50,800
Speaker 1: for this week. We'll be back next week with more.

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Speaker 1: What future end is always I wish you and your

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01:04:54,080 --> 01:04:55,720
Speaker 1: family the very best