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Speaker 1: Welcome one and all to the latest edition of the

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Speaker 1: Hammer Territory Podcast. My name is Sean Coleman. As always,

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Speaker 1: it is a pleasure to be with you. My podcast

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Speaker 1: host his name is Hid this episode, but there's a

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Speaker 1: very good reason. Why is Steven Tobert Steven, How are

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Speaker 1: you doing, sir Sean?

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Speaker 2: How are you buddy?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's always good to be on with you, man,

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Speaker 3: and it's always fun to have a special guest. We've

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Speaker 3: got somebody you know, you and I have talked to

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Speaker 3: many times before about how we are nowhere close to

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Speaker 3: experts on anything prospect related, especially when it comes to

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Speaker 3: the you know, the January fifteenth signing. Guys, I mean,

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Speaker 3: we just we don't know what we're talking about, so

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Speaker 3: I have to have somebody. Of course, everybody can see now,

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Speaker 3: like Ben Badler from Baseball America to come on and

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Speaker 3: talk to us about this is a real treat.

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Speaker 2: So I'm excited for this episode.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's not many when it comes to when it

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Speaker 1: comes to the arena of prospect knowledge, especially on the

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Speaker 1: international front. Ben Badler has been named synonymous with with

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Speaker 1: those breakdowns for decades now. Ben don't mean to make

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Speaker 1: you feel old or anything. Like that, but last year

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Speaker 1: had the chance to talk with you. Always a pleasure

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Speaker 1: to talk with you. Thank you so much for taking

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Speaker 1: the time to join us on this episode of Hammer Territory.

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Speaker 4: Nks for having me on. Guys, you guys can keep going.

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Speaker 4: I love hearing this. Thanks for all the kind words.

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Speaker 5: I appreciate it, of course, of course.

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Speaker 1: But listen, there's a reason we brought you here, and

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Speaker 1: that's of course to hear your insight. So Ben, you know,

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Speaker 1: obviously this is a busy time of year for you.

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Speaker 1: We have the International signing class that occurs across baseball. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: you know that's when you know, a lot of you know,

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Speaker 1: young talents come into the system, but some of the

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Speaker 1: biggest names we know now in baseball and for decades

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Speaker 1: in baseball have come to the majors that way. But

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Speaker 1: there's also the time when prospect list comes out as well.

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Speaker 1: So we're going to talk with Ben mainly about the

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Speaker 1: internet class for this year, but also talk with him

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Speaker 1: about some of the prospects and Dylan's jump right into

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Speaker 1: it and we'll get into a few of the names

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Speaker 1: here in just a moment. But let's talk about this

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Speaker 1: international class for the Braves as a whole, it feels

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Speaker 1: like it feels like that perhaps this class didn't have

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Speaker 1: the previous two years with Luis Guanipa as well as

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Speaker 1: Jose Perdomo, but we did to that level of talent.

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Speaker 1: But we did have several talents in this class that

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Speaker 1: make it be a bit deeper. Is that a true

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Speaker 1: more names. Where would this class rank for recent classes

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Speaker 1: when it comes to quality of class overall? The Braves

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty five International.

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Speaker 4: Class, Yeah, I think you see you see a lot

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Speaker 4: of names that they signed the first day of the

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Speaker 4: it's hard for them to just compete on volume compared

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Speaker 4: on that ten thousand dollars arm who's you know, eighty

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Speaker 4: So you know, you saw a decent number of signings

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Speaker 4: You know where they've gone, almost like all in on

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Speaker 4: I still think, you know, the centerpiece signing for them

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Speaker 1: Well, let's focus on those two. And let's look at

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Speaker 1: Diego Tornees and I know that you know, many will

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, we know when they signed Gwinipa, he was

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Speaker 4: But certainly the offensive upside I think was what drew

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Speaker 4: I mean, he runs well enough where they'll probably start

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Speaker 5: Right, So you know a lot of times guys that.

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Speaker 4: Julio Rodriguez when he signed thought I love Julio Rodriguez.

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Speaker 5: I thought no way was he gonna play center field.

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Speaker 4: So guys do surprise that when you're signing players at

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Speaker 4: you know, sixteen seventeen years old.

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Speaker 5: It's a lot of a lot of things to like, especially.

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Speaker 4: Offensively, but some of the progress of the speed and

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Speaker 1: You heard it here first, Ben Badler thinks that there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of air. I'm kidding, I'll go there, but no,

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Speaker 1: it does go to show that, you know, not all.

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Speaker 1: You know, hey, you can be six four two hundred

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Speaker 1: the ability it seems to stick potentially with some defensive

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean you're you know, you're looking at physical

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Speaker 4: So historically, you know, most guys like that end up

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's kind of the that's kind of the whole.

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Speaker 3: That's kind of what everybody does. Like every prospect that's

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Speaker 2: Center fielders or short stops.

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Speaker 3: Teams just let them, you know, they they obviously want

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Speaker 3: there's a bunch of guys who signed a short stops

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Speaker 3: but teams want to make them show they.

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Speaker 2: Can't do it. That is that an accurate way of

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean Miguel Sino signed as a shortstop. You

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Speaker 4: I don't think anybody really thought he was going to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, so let's talk about risk, because this

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Speaker 3: this kid kind of jumped out of everybody, both physically

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Speaker 2: Here a big, big kid. When we saw the.

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Speaker 3: Picture of him, I mean, the kid looked massive. He

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Speaker 3: throws one hundred and one miles an hour sixteen years old.

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Speaker 2: My first question to you is this, how rare is

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Speaker 3: That seems like I remember being in high school and

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Speaker 3: like if you threw, if you threw eighty nine ninety

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Speaker 3: at sixteen, you know, it's probably what like a sophomore

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Speaker 3: in high school level age. How rare is it to

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Speaker 4: You know, there is a picture. He's in New York,

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Speaker 4: he's in the draft right now. Who I think it

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Speaker 3: What's special about his game? Why was he intriguing to

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty's when the Braves were either had sanctions or

435
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Speaker 3: you know, certain amount they could sign or players for

436
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Speaker 3: a certain amount. So I just want to get your opinion.

437
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Speaker 3: Do you think this is where the team is really

438
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Speaker 3: feeling the effects I'm not having those international classes.

439
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Speaker 2: For three or four years. Do you think it's something else?

440
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Speaker 3: I know they've gone very pitching heavy in the domestic draft.

441
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Speaker 3: In your opinion, why have we seen kind of this,

442
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Speaker 3: this lull, this drag and position player prospects in the

443
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Speaker 3: Brave system going on the last probably I don't know,

444
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Speaker 3: three or four years.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's probably a mix of the two. Yeah.

446
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Speaker 4: I think the penalties, especially if you look at like

447
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Speaker 4: the upper levels of the Braves farm system, it's like, well,

448
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Speaker 4: where where these international prospects that every other team pretty

449
00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:42,040
Speaker 4: much has, right, Well, it's I think a lot of

450
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Speaker 4: it is those penalties that they were under. And this

451
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Speaker 4: is this is that lag time where okay, like sure

452
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Speaker 4: you have like a Jackson curio, right, and he gets to.

453
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Speaker 5: The big leagues when he's twenty years old.

454
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Speaker 4: But there's only like maybe one Jackson curio that comes

455
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Speaker 4: around every couple of years or so. Right, most guys are,

456
00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:00,720
Speaker 4: you know, getting to the big leagues. They're you know,

457
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Speaker 4: they're signed at sixteen or seventeen, might get there at

458
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Speaker 4: twenty two, twenty three, twenty four.

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Speaker 5: It takes a long time for those guys to matriculate.

460
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Speaker 4: Not just to the big leagues, but just to the

461
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Speaker 4: upper levels of the farm system where you really have

462
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Speaker 4: a better idea too of what you have in your system.

463
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Speaker 4: And the Braves just don't have that internationally because they

464
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Speaker 4: I think, yeah, the penalties were a big part of it,

465
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Speaker 4: both losing players and obviously then losing the ability to

466
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Speaker 4: sign players, and it's just you know, having to rebuild

467
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Speaker 4: the entire international scouting department too. I mean, that takes

468
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Speaker 4: quite a bit of time to just rebuild that internal

469
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Speaker 4: scouting infrastructure as a as a scouting staff and as

470
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Speaker 4: an organization. So yeah, I think that's hurt them. And

471
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Speaker 4: like you know, like you said, it's been a pitching

472
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Speaker 4: heavy emphasis and a lot of their drafts and it

473
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Speaker 4: certainly shows up in their top ten with you know,

474
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Speaker 4: the obvious exception of Drake Baldwin's looking pretty good right now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think that the other thing that kind

477
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Speaker 1: of stands out is that, you know, Braves Country, you know,

478
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Speaker 1: kind of spoil because you know, if you go back

479
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Speaker 1: to the previous decade, Hayward did not hit. But then

480
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:12,280
Speaker 1: after that Freddie became I think better than anybody thought.

481
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Speaker 1: He became our franchise player. And then within a five

482
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Speaker 1: year span we had well maybe six year we had

483
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Speaker 1: Swans and then Alby's and the Kunya, then Riley then

484
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Speaker 1: Harris all come up. So kind of spoiled when it

485
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Speaker 1: comes to the fact that you typically don't see teams

486
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Speaker 1: over a decade, within the decades timeframe had that much

487
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Speaker 1: of a hit rate with position prospects, especially when the

488
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Speaker 1: Braves with the previous regime had had such an intent

489
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Speaker 1: focus on pitching. And so I think that's kind of

490
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Speaker 1: helping us out. But you I also want to get

491
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Speaker 1: your perspective on a prospect who's on the rise. One

492
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Speaker 1: thing that seems to have stood out about Alex and

493
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Speaker 1: Thopolis during his time is that he can identify catching

494
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Speaker 1: prospect Shang lang Leers, Wilson Contreras or William Conterrest excuse me,

495
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Speaker 1: and now Drake Baldwin. Your thoughts on Drake Baldwin, who

496
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Speaker 1: definitely lead many people seem to really be coming around

497
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Speaker 1: on his bat. What do you feel, even mishean Murphy

498
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Speaker 1: here long term? What do you feel the Braves really

499
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Speaker 1: value about him? And where do you stand on his

500
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Speaker 1: potential upside in Atlanta in the future.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I really like Drake bad.

502
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Speaker 4: I feel like he gets and it's weird to say,

503
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Speaker 4: maybe about a number one prospect in a farm system,

504
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:22,560
Speaker 4: but I feel like he gets maybe a little bit

505
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 4: overlooked too sometimes relative to the other big catching prospects

506
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Speaker 4: out there. I mean, offensively, he checks a lot of

507
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Speaker 4: boxes that you look for in.

508
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Speaker 5: A young hitter.

509
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Speaker 4: I think he is a pretty good sense of the

510
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Speaker 4: strike zone. He makes a lot of contact. There's not

511
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Speaker 4: a lot of swing and miss to his game. And

512
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Speaker 4: you know, maybe it's not like, you know, thirty plus

513
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Speaker 4: home run type power, but this is a guy who

514
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Speaker 4: should hit you know, fifteen, twenty, maybe twenty plus home

515
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Speaker 4: runs in some seasons obviously, you know, depending how much

516
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,400
Speaker 4: he gets on the field as or how many bats

517
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Speaker 4: I want to give him as a catcher. But I

518
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,440
Speaker 4: think is a you know, somebody who's gonna stick behind

519
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Speaker 4: the plate and be a you know, potential high OBP

520
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Speaker 4: type catcher. So just a pretty well rounded, like no

521
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,399
Speaker 4: glaring holes or weaknesses, and a guy who's a pretty

522
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,720
Speaker 4: good offensive track record now all the way up through

523
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Speaker 4: through TRIPLEA, where you know, maybe there's not like a

524
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 4: seventy tool that everybody like jumps up and down over like.

525
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:32,119
Speaker 4: I think catchers who have a strong arm or like,

526
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Speaker 4: especially like a seventy arm, everybody like gets super excited

527
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 4: about that. And those guys tend to get really overrated

528
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 4: because a lot of times they can't hit. But people

529
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Speaker 4: love to see a catcher who can, who has an

530
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Speaker 4: absolute hose. But you know it's maybe not Drake. You know,

531
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Speaker 4: Drake Bald was not that guy. But he he can catch,

532
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Speaker 4: and I think he can really hit too, So I

533
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Speaker 4: think he's one of the better better catching prospects in

534
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Speaker 4: the minor leagues right now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like catching specifically, and you can correct

536
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Speaker 3: me if I'm wrong here, you've done it for so

537
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:04,959
Speaker 3: many years now. I feel like catching specifically is one

538
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,879
Speaker 3: of those positions that because there's so much that is

539
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 3: hard to quantify with catchers, you know, we run into

540
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:12,880
Speaker 3: this in Hall of Fame voting too, where like it's

541
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Speaker 3: tough to just use the same metrics we use for

542
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Speaker 3: every other position because there's so much more that just

543
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,120
Speaker 3: goes into catching, Right, There's dealing with pitching staffs. There's

544
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Speaker 3: learning how to you know, you know, talk to you know,

545
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 3: key pitchers in games, calling games. You know how much

546
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 3: individual catchers call games versus the pitchers, especially now with

547
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Speaker 3: PitchCom system. I feel like catching in general is just

548
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 3: one of those positions that's very tough to grade. It's

549
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:38,199
Speaker 3: very tough to judge until you see a guy, you know,

550
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Speaker 3: with a major league you know, with a major league

551
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Speaker 3: rotation that he's controlling or with he's catching for. Is

552
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Speaker 3: that fair that it's that that catching is one of

553
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Speaker 3: the tougher positions to to scout on your end.

554
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I think so, that's I would agree with that.

555
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Speaker 4: And if you look at the track record, like look

556
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Speaker 4: at the track record in the draft for teams drafting

557
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 4: high school catchers in the early rounds, it's it's rough.

558
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,400
Speaker 4: I mean, like there's Joe Mauer and you know, Hall

559
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 4: of Famer and all that, but like otherwise it is

560
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 4: it is really rough because it's hard to tell until

561
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 4: these guys really get into professional baseball. I mean even

562
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 4: even the college catchers. You know, like there's misses at

563
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 4: every position. But uh, you know, like Kevin Parata with

564
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,399
Speaker 4: the Mets was a very high first round pick a

565
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,640
Speaker 4: couple of years ago, like Henry Davis number one overall pick,

566
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 4: and you know, maybe that was to save some money,

567
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 4: but it's it's not looking good. It's not look like

568
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Speaker 4: he's even gonna catch. And then you have other guys

569
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Speaker 4: like Austin Wells with the Yankees, where okay, sort like

570
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 4: he was a he was a high pick, but the

571
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 4: big question mark was h on him coming out of

572
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Speaker 4: college was defense. But now looks pretty good defensively, Like,

573
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,159
Speaker 4: no doubt he's gonna be able to catch in the

574
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Speaker 4: big leagues and it looks pretty good for them. So

575
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Speaker 4: there's there's just a lot that goes into the development

576
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Speaker 4: of a catcher in addition to the evaluation where Okay,

577
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,399
Speaker 4: now you get them into professional baseball, and you know,

578
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Speaker 4: whether it's a high school catcher or even a college

579
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:08,119
Speaker 4: guy who you know is older and has more experience,

580
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 4: but okay, he's got to deal with school and so

581
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:13,159
Speaker 4: many other things, and how good is the quality of

582
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Speaker 4: instruction for catching specifically that he's getting in college. There

583
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 4: are some college coaches that are tremendous coaches, some of

584
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 4: the best coaches in the world for helping catchers and

585
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Speaker 4: their development.

586
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Speaker 5: And there's other programs that are you know.

587
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,159
Speaker 4: Just don't have don't have the resources that you know

588
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 4: an MLB organization has for catching specific instructors and where

589
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 4: your job now full time is to do every like

590
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 4: you can go out every single day and work with

591
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Speaker 4: somebody on catching, so you have a lot more time,

592
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Speaker 4: better resources.

593
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Speaker 5: Guys can get a lot better, I think really at

594
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Speaker 5: a lot of positions.

595
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Speaker 4: But there is just so much that goes into catching,

596
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Speaker 4: So both the evaluation of catchers in terms of being

597
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Speaker 4: to evaluate who they are now and then the development

598
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Speaker 4: and then the projection of where they're going to be

599
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 4: down the road, and just all the you know, demands.

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Speaker 5: It's such a.

601
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Speaker 4: Grind on your body for you know, one hundred what

602
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 4: is it now, one hundred and forty something games and

603
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 4: in the minor leagues, I was one hundred and sixty

604
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 4: two in the big leagues that you know, you're just

605
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 4: not seeing you know, you know't obviously get that as

606
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 4: a high school catcher or even a college catcher where

607
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 4: you're you know, maybe catching a few times a week

608
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 4: through you know, throughout the spring, throughout the college season.

609
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Speaker 4: So yeah, I totally agree the evaluating catching is very

610
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Speaker 4: much a challenge.

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Speaker 1: from Baseball America as we're wrapping up this edition of

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Speaker 1: you of the Hammer Territory podcast, just a couple of

627
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Speaker 1: quick lightning round questions if you don't mind. The first

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Speaker 1: one that I'll ask is, Okay, we know Drake Baldwin.

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Speaker 1: You know, we know Nacho Alvarez as well. We've talked

630
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Speaker 1: about some of the more high ceiling, lower level prospects.

631
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Speaker 1: Could you give me a name or two position prospect

632
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Speaker 1: wise in the Brave system that you feel could have

633
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 1: a kind of breakout season where they may not necessarily

634
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Speaker 1: become a top prospect in baseball, but they could work

635
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Speaker 1: themselves into relevancy when it comes to the Brave systems.

636
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Speaker 1: Just one or two position prospects that you have your

637
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Speaker 1: eye on that you feel could take a big step

638
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Speaker 1: this year.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, you know, Carlos Colaza does are Braves

640
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Speaker 4: top thirty and I know he got a lot of

641
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 4: good feedback on John Gill.

642
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Speaker 5: He was in that twenty twenty three Braves class. Those

643
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 5: that was the year was was the year they signed Guanipa.

644
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 4: He had a nice year for himself in in the

645
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 4: Florida Complex League last season as an eighteen year old.

646
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Speaker 4: So somebody where you know the swing seems like it

647
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 4: works really well.

648
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 5: Uh, performed well.

649
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 4: Made a lot of contact, showed an idea. The strike

650
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 4: zone didn't show a lot of power, but he can

651
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 4: really run too. I mean, he's a plus plus runner,

652
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Speaker 4: a lot of a lot of tools, or at least

653
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Speaker 4: you know, it's certainly the run tool, and then the

654
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Speaker 4: offensive performances is pretty promising early for a guy in

655
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Speaker 4: the lower levels. He's a he's a pretty intriguing name

656
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Speaker 4: to keep an eye on that, you know. Obviously, you know,

657
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Speaker 4: I love international prospects, but he was a name that

658
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Speaker 4: really once Carlos did a lot more work on him,

659
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Speaker 4: him to pop a lot more than I realized.

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Speaker 1: Next, talking about the next wave of arms in the

661
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Speaker 1: Brave system, you know, and we'll get to the Waldrip

662
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Speaker 1: and Smith, Shover and and others, and Kim Cammanditty will

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Speaker 1: put in that group as well. Kind of the same perspective.

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Speaker 1: A name that you feel, a name or two that

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Speaker 1: you feel you know could really step up and emerges

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Speaker 1: that next really intriguing Braves arm in their system. You know.

667
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Speaker 1: Swelling Back of course had a better season than anybody

668
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Speaker 1: could have thought at the major's last year, But in

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Speaker 1: terms of the miners who could kind of be the breakout,

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Speaker 1: you know, a name when it comes to the mound

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Speaker 1: for the Braves this season to the minors.

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Speaker 4: I have some of it is just gonna get be

673
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Speaker 4: some some of these guys back and healthy again, right,

674
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Speaker 4: like an Owen Murphy or some of these other guys

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Speaker 4: who just missed some time.

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Speaker 5: But I think Diddy or Flintes.

677
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Speaker 4: Ray Hand, a pitcher who they signed out a Columbia

678
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Speaker 4: a few years back, hit a nice year for himself.

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00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 4: A ton of strikeouts. It was up to ninety seven

680
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 4: miles an hour. Feel for for a slide, right, there's

681
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 4: nothing nothing to wipe out there, but still really strong

682
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 4: performance this year. And he just the way he throws,

683
00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 4: like the fastball seems to play up and gets on

684
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 4: hitter as faster than they're expecting. So they for the

685
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Speaker 4: year that he just had as an eighteen year old

686
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Speaker 4: basically you know, same age as what like a or

687
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Speaker 4: eighteen nineteen years old last year, that was pretty impressive.

688
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Speaker 4: So I'm he's somebody I've I've definitely got my eye

689
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Speaker 4: on to see what he what he does this year.

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Speaker 1: And then the final question I have Ben is going

691
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Speaker 1: to center on the two top arms Hirst and Waldrip

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Speaker 1: as well as aj Smith Shover Waldrip, you know got

693
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Speaker 1: roughed up in his debut last year, smith Shover, we

694
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Speaker 1: were really hoping he was going to get an extended look,

695
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Speaker 1: but of course had the oblique injury after what was

696
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 1: a pretty good debut last year in Chicago. Schwellenbach had

697
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 1: a great year last year. Looks like a fixture of

698
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Speaker 1: the rotation moving forward hopefully. What are your thoughts on

699
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Speaker 1: Waldrop and smith Shov Do you feel if given the opportunity,

700
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Speaker 1: they may be able to make their mark and cement

701
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Speaker 1: their place in the Rays rotation moving forward? What are

702
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Speaker 1: your thoughts on either one of them becoming a significant

703
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Speaker 1: contributor at the majors this season?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean still get good reports on smith Shov's stuff.

705
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 4: I think he's he has the stuff to be and

706
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Speaker 4: just the overall profile to be a pretty solid back

707
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 4: of the rotation type starter. Hursted Waldrop man, it was

708
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Speaker 4: a tough.

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Speaker 5: Year for him.

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00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 4: We were some people were extremely high on him, uh

711
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:22,399
Speaker 4: coming out of the draft, and he just didn't any

712
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 4: you know, move fast initially, but uh, yeah, it was rough.

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Speaker 4: I think more than likely probably ends up in in

714
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Speaker 4: a bullpen roll, but I certainly wouldn't put him into

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Speaker 4: that spot quite yet.

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Speaker 5: At least at.

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Speaker 4: Least not full time. So more more optimistic right now

718
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Speaker 4: about Smith Schavor than than north Waldrop.

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Speaker 2: All right, Ben, we're gonna get you out of here

720
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Speaker 2: with this one. And this is one. This is one

721
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Speaker 2: I've actually wanted to ask.

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Speaker 3: Somebody to like you in your position for a couple

723
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Speaker 3: of years now, because this was a big topic around

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Speaker 3: the CBA time when they were negotiating the new CBA

725
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:01,439
Speaker 3: and there was all this talk about the domestic draft

726
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 3: versus an international draft, about how players come into the game,

727
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 3: how we want all players to come into the game

728
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 3: the same way. And obviously the domestic or the international

729
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 3: draft did not happen. It's almost certainly going to come

730
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Speaker 3: up every CBA that we have going forward. There's nobody

731
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Speaker 3: that has a better perspective on this concept than you do,

732
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Speaker 3: in my opinion, So I just want to get your opinion.

733
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Speaker 3: How do you feel like international free agency as a whole?

734
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 3: How do you feel like it's gone? Do you like

735
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 3: the bonus system? Do you feel like a draft is inevitable?

736
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Speaker 2: Would you prefer a draft?

737
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 3: Just from your perspective, kind of a zoomed out, thirty

738
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Speaker 3: thousand foot look over the entire sport. With the way

739
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 3: these guys come into the sport, how do you feel

740
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 3: like it should be? Do you like the way it

741
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 3: is or do you see a draft coming down the line?

742
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 5: Yeah?

743
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 4: I mean generally speaking, I'm pro freedom right, pro freedom

744
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 4: for players, pro freedom for teams. So I like the

745
00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 4: part I like about international free agency is that players

746
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 4: have the ability to go to all thirty teams and

747
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 4: make a decision. I mean, they can't just choose whoever

748
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 4: they want to sign with, right, but they have the ability.

749
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Speaker 5: They're not limited just.

750
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Speaker 4: Negotiating with one team whatever team drafts them, right, So

751
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 4: they have more freedom to go where they want to

752
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 4: go and the team's the same way. They can go

753
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 4: out and compete. There's all thirty teams have the ability

754
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 4: to go out and sign you know, whoever the next

755
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 4: you know. I don't always say Ronaldlecunya maybe not a

756
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 4: good example because he wasn't a big bonus guy, but

757
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 4: Vladimir Guerrero Junior, right, Julio Rodriguez, any big bonus player,

758
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 4: any team can go out and sign those guys if

759
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 4: if they want to put their whole bonus pool or

760
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 4: compete to sign them, they can go do that if

761
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 4: you want to go and beat other teams to sign

762
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Speaker 4: that player. I like that competitive aspect where everybody's on

763
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 4: a roughly equal playing field. Obviously, the smaller market, smaller

764
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,880
Speaker 4: revenue teams have a little bit more bonus pool money

765
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Speaker 4: to start in their bonus pool, but everybody can go

766
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Speaker 4: out and compete and sign players.

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Speaker 5: Well.

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Speaker 4: One of the bad parts of the system that's really

769
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Speaker 4: broken right now is just how early these players are

770
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Speaker 4: committing to sign with teams, or you have teams making

771
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Speaker 4: agreements to sign players when they're thirteen years old, which

772
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 4: means really means the players are getting scouted when they're

773
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 4: you know, especially starting when they're twelve years old, and

774
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:29,479
Speaker 4: the trainers are getting these players into their programs even

775
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 4: younger and trying to get them ready earlier and earlier

776
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 4: to go to showcases and go to workouts and just

777
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 4: to be ready if you can even call it, being

778
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 4: ready to be seen by MLB clubs when they're thirteen

779
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 4: years old. So that part is, you know, there are

780
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:50,399
Speaker 4: very few people, whether it's on the club side or

781
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 4: on the trainer side of the people are developing and

782
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 4: representing the players who who are in favor of keeping

783
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Speaker 4: this this type of system in place. So certainly where

784
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 4: a draft would help things is it would it would

785
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:08,360
Speaker 4: slow everything down, right, It would not be you know,

786
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 4: not have these super early commitments. You just can't do

787
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 4: that in a draft. So I think that would be

788
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,280
Speaker 4: a benefit of the draft. But as far as having

789
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:18,720
Speaker 4: like you know, well, there's a draft in the States,

790
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:22,359
Speaker 4: so there should be a draft internationally so everybody comes

791
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 4: through the same system, I don't know that that that that.

792
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Speaker 5: That argument's never really swayed me much.

793
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:35,360
Speaker 4: I mean, there's just two very different ways that players

794
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 4: are developed and that teams are scouting and evaluating uh

795
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 4: players in Latin America compared to the United States, where

796
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 4: everything is so much more organized between high school baseball,

797
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 4: college baseball, junior college baseball. There's just it's a lot

798
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 4: different in in Latin America. So I don't think just

799
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Speaker 4: because we have a draft in the United States means

800
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Speaker 4: we need to have the same thing internationally. I think

801
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 4: there are good arguments in favor of a draft, but

802
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 4: certainly there will be things that would both both the

803
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 4: teams and the player side would would lose if we

804
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 4: went to a draft too.

805
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:18,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean, let's be honest, drafts. Owners love drafts.

806
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 3: Because they control costs, right, That's the whole point is

807
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 3: it suppresses salaries, that controls cost So Yeah, like.

808
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Speaker 2: I love, I do.

809
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Speaker 3: I do understand the argument for wanting everybody international domestic

810
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 3: to come through the same way.

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Speaker 2: But I'm with you.

812
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Speaker 3: I just I love the fact that these kids can

813
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 3: kind of choose where they go, and I wish domestic

814
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:44,919
Speaker 3: kids got the same. I would love for domestic kids

815
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 3: to have the same, you know option where they get

816
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,919
Speaker 3: to negotiate with twenty five teams and pick the best one.

817
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:53,800
Speaker 3: I would much rather do that than do an international draft.

818
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 3: But I'll be honest, it feels I don't know if

819
00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 3: it feels inevitable, but owners love controlling costs so much much.

820
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Speaker 2: I don't know. I feel like it might be coming

821
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Speaker 2: at some point, But.

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Speaker 3: I very much appreciate your perspective on it because obviously

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Speaker 3: that I don't think there's anybody that knows more about

824
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Speaker 3: it than you do.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and absolutely, and that's why we enjoy talking with

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Speaker 1: Ben second straight year. Ben has been kind enough to

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Speaker 1: make this an annual event, it would be something that

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Speaker 1: we very much look forward to doing. But of course

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844
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Speaker 5: Both of us.

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Speaker 3: I think you guys are the only ones that I

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Speaker 3: That's what I appreciate most about it is you guys

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because it would you know, it would just frustrate

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Speaker 4: us internally. Even we're you know, a few years ago

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Speaker 4: and putting all the work to do that, and obviously

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Speaker 4: the international stuff too. So hopefully something for everybody if

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Speaker 4: something something for you guys.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I don't want to put words in your

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Speaker 1: mouth or speak for you, Ben, but I imagine with the

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Speaker 1: work that you do for as long as you've done it,

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Speaker 1: and the high quality of work that you do, it's

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Speaker 1: just a pure love for baseball and that's why we're

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Speaker 1: all here to talk about it and you know what

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Speaker 1: makes the most of it. But being I can't thank

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Speaker 1: you enough for taking the time to join us, especially

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Speaker 1: you know in the midst of you know, one of

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Speaker 1: the busier times in the year for you. You can

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Speaker 1: follow Ben at Ben Badler on x slash Twitter, but

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Speaker 1: please make sure you follow him and do all this

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Speaker 1: great work. Ben, Thank you again so much for your time.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely thanks for having me on guys.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you can buy myself at Stat's sac And I

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Speaker 1: know you can't see it, but Steven tober is at

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Speaker 1: all forms of social media. Hammer Territory across all forms

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Speaker 1: of social media. So proud to be a part of

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Speaker 1: the foul Territory family of podcasts. And like we told you,

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Speaker 1: we're always going to deliver content from great sources like

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Speaker 1: Ben all the way down to discussing a slow off

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Speaker 1: season for the Braids. But until next time for Ben

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Speaker 1: Badler and Steven Talbert, my named Sean Coleman Go Braids

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Speaker 1: will talk to you again here on the Daily Hammer.