Speaker 1: They Around the NFL podcast.
Speaker 2: Wins in the Trenches. Welcome to another edition of Around
Speaker 2: the NFL. My name is Dan Hansis. I come to
Speaker 2: you from a virtual room filled with some heroes, Mark Sessler,
Speaker 2: Greg Rosenthal. We are remote because California had some scary
Speaker 2: weather over the weekend and we were told to bunker up.
Speaker 2: Even though it's sunny out right now, we are bunkered in.
Speaker 1: It was a wild weekend. You know. We had a
Speaker 1: little hurricane, little tropical storm, little earthquake. I was out
Speaker 1: in the garage and felt everything swaying there for a second.
Speaker 1: That was kind of fun. Walker was out here, and
Speaker 1: I have a live studio audience here for the show,
Speaker 1: so you know, I'm gonna keep my mouth cleaner than
Speaker 1: the Raiders fans who are sitting behind me at the
Speaker 1: Rams Raiders preseason game on Saturday.
Speaker 3: I gotta say, though this storm, now, look, I didn't
Speaker 3: scan the whole city. I don't know if other places
Speaker 3: were more affected than where I am. But you know,
Speaker 3: watch some local news yesterday to find out what Hillary
Speaker 3: was up to, and they're asked, they're acting like al
Speaker 3: Qaeda is coming to the takeover Los Angeles, and I thought.
Speaker 3: The storm sort of came and went, and it was like,
Speaker 3: I don't know, have you ever lived in another part
Speaker 3: of the country where like that rainstorm would have gotten
Speaker 3: zero pop and it was, you know, rough day. Rough
Speaker 3: day depends where you were.
Speaker 1: If you were in the mountains, you got ten inches
Speaker 1: and you got crazy flooding. We had flooding here, but
Speaker 1: it wasn't any I think it La is so massive.
Speaker 1: It's almost silly to call La like one city. It
Speaker 1: feels like it's a state. It's like where I'm so silly,
Speaker 1: it's ridiculous.
Speaker 2: It's funny. You should mention that about the game you
Speaker 2: were at, because my weekend was annoying. I drove down
Speaker 2: to San Diego with my boys on Saturday morning and
Speaker 2: the hurricane obviously was bearing down on San Diego, so
Speaker 2: good timing on that. There was like four bros, like
Speaker 2: thirty one year old bros sitting right behind us, all
Speaker 2: just like and one guy just like going nuts with
Speaker 2: the F bomb, and just like, do I have to
Speaker 2: do the thing? Do I have to do the thing?
Speaker 2: Do I have to turn around and do the thing
Speaker 2: to this guy? And I didn't because his buddy next
Speaker 2: to him had the good sense to be like, dude,
Speaker 2: you can't be saying that. You can't be just screaming
Speaker 2: out f bombs. There's just so many idiots in the world.
Speaker 2: And then I was in San Diego. I was at
Speaker 2: the Padres game, and I can only imagine so Daniel Jeremiah,
Speaker 2: you know, move the sticks, longtime enemy of the show.
Speaker 2: He and what can only to me seem like an
Speaker 2: effort to pin every unsolved murder in greater San Diego
Speaker 2: on the old Zeusser offers up three tickets, beautiful seats
Speaker 2: to this Padres game to me two sons, like can
Speaker 2: you can you get a load of this guy? And
Speaker 2: like whatever he's trying to do, I'm back in La
Speaker 2: deal with it. You didn't get me. I get a
Speaker 2: hotel to stay the night. I get back from the
Speaker 2: game in the gas Lamp district, and all the news
Speaker 2: is telling me, if you don't leave, now you're gonna die.
Speaker 2: And now I have to decide, as the dad, am
Speaker 2: I gonna risk my two sons lives because I don't
Speaker 2: want to take a bad beat at the Marguerita Aville
Speaker 2: hotel that I checked into. What am I gonna stay
Speaker 2: the night and leave in the morning because I don't
Speaker 2: want to get banged on that three point fifty that
Speaker 2: I paid for this hotel room. So I left in
Speaker 2: the middle of the night, and I got banged in
Speaker 2: a big spot. And then you're in the weird spot
Speaker 2: of like you kind of want the storm to hit hard.
Speaker 2: So it makes sense that you you didn't leave the
Speaker 2: hotel for nothing. So just very conflicting when it was
Speaker 2: just a very uh, you know, it was a size
Speaker 2: rainstorm in the end.
Speaker 3: Ultimately, you're pulled in many directions there, Dan, But I
Speaker 3: think that you know, your your kids see the effort
Speaker 3: you put in a big effort to get to the game.
Speaker 3: Hillary said, no, Hillary got in the way of some
Speaker 3: of your plans, And you know, I don't know. I
Speaker 3: don't know how they come up with the names for
Speaker 3: these storms. But I just thought the most hilarious thing
Speaker 3: was that we're like concerned about Hilary, like descending upon
Speaker 3: our berg.
Speaker 2: A lot of people were concerned about Hillary. That's how
Speaker 2: we ended up with that other guy. But what was
Speaker 2: Jeremiah up to? By the way, I don't know.
Speaker 3: It feels like psychological warfare on a deeper level than
Speaker 3: I could comprehend.
Speaker 1: Well he is, you know, the wholesome mesass, a god
Speaker 1: fearing man too. Maybe he has connections with the higher
Speaker 1: powers here that he set up the whole weather event
Speaker 1: to get. But yeah I did. I did not turn
Speaker 1: around at the Raiders fans either. These these were not gentlemen.
Speaker 1: I think that you would have wanted to. One did
Speaker 1: apologize when he spilled an entire nacho cheese cup on
Speaker 1: my daughter's sweatshirt. But other than that, they were freely
Speaker 1: saying whatever they wanted. And after the game, the kids
Speaker 1: were just like, I like it much better when we
Speaker 1: go to the games against the Chargers. Their fans are
Speaker 1: much nicer.
Speaker 2: They don't exist all right. So last week, coming out
Speaker 2: of the first round full round of preseasons game games,
Speaker 2: we had who Popped and Who flopped? And Mark, bless
Speaker 2: his heart, always behind the scenes saying how could we
Speaker 2: come up with names and things that make take the
Speaker 2: show to the next level. He came up with a banger.
Speaker 2: So an honor of Mark Sessler, Today's rundown of preseason
Speaker 2: week two is who Popped and Who pooped? Congratulations Mark,
Speaker 2: and thank you for your help.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I like to contribute, you know, in multiple ways.
Speaker 3: To the show, and that was something that came to
Speaker 3: me while driving to work to SOFI when you suggested
Speaker 3: the initial title we had from a week ago. Thought,
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna make a little little, uh little adjustment
Speaker 3: to that and bring the maturity level of the show
Speaker 3: back to where it needs to be.
Speaker 1: It's good eleven years in that we're not just coasting,
Speaker 1: We're not just resting on our lures. We're always trying
Speaker 1: to push, push it further, push the envelope.
Speaker 2: GC GC, all right, So what we're gonna do is, uh,
Speaker 2: we all even with all the distractions of Tropical Storm Hillary,
Speaker 2: whatever Daniel Jeremiah was up to behind the scenes, and
Speaker 2: the fact that we couldn't go into the office today
Speaker 2: because the sunlight was too glaring on our windshields, we
Speaker 2: did study the games that were played this week, not
Speaker 2: because the games matter, because, let me remind you, they
Speaker 2: do not. And almost impossibly, the games were worse this
Speaker 2: week than last week. I shudder to think how bad
Speaker 2: the last week of the preseason could be. I'm almost
Speaker 2: looking forward to it to see how much I hate it.
Speaker 2: I know I'm not allowed to say this, but I
Speaker 2: can't hold it in anymore. I need some real football
Speaker 2: my life. We're gonna talk about this because this is
Speaker 2: what we do, but I can't do it too much longer.
Speaker 2: At the end of my robe Sessler, this is.
Speaker 1: The exact week you say that every year. Everyone feels
Speaker 1: that way. It is the week where it's like, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: let's let's move along here.
Speaker 3: Well, it used to be like such a sort of
Speaker 3: a code to what teams did week to week in
Speaker 3: the preseason. I think what we're seeing now is that
Speaker 3: you like, you know, the Colts put no starters out there,
Speaker 3: while the other team has, you know, on both sides
Speaker 3: the ball dotted with first stringers. It's just like, I
Speaker 3: guess these coaches are gonna go and take their own
Speaker 3: personal philosophy. So it makes the games really even whackier.
Speaker 3: There isn't even that typical Week three where all the
Speaker 3: quarterback battles like come to a head.
Speaker 1: No, you need to go into those joint practice reports
Speaker 1: winners and losers right up. So that's all we got.
Speaker 2: That's the new thing or the newish thing. So and
Speaker 2: so didn't play because there was a double joint practice
Speaker 2: and that was deemed to be enough in terms of
Speaker 2: what was needed to be seen for a player such
Speaker 2: as Anthony Richardson who gets named starter after the first
Speaker 2: preseason game, very raw and talented rookie, and then he
Speaker 2: doesn't play in the second preseason game because of the
Speaker 2: joint practice explanation, which just drives me crazy because you
Speaker 2: feel like that guy more than any other QB just
Speaker 2: about entering the league as a starter in week one,
Speaker 2: should be on the field and getting reps all three
Speaker 2: of these weeks, and yet he doesn't because the games
Speaker 2: don't matter. The coaches and teams are telling us that.
Speaker 2: I'll say no more, let's talk about it. Let's get
Speaker 2: into it. Greg, give me some enthusiasm, give me some pop.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I like these because you're right, it's try. We'll
Speaker 1: try to hit as many as we can. I got.
Speaker 1: I still scraped out eighty eight nuggets on this week's preseason.
Speaker 1: I mean a lot of them aren't from the preseason.
Speaker 1: They're from news, they're from the week and whatnot. But
Speaker 1: let's start with a double banger in Denver, just because
Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting to see Gavonte Williams back
Speaker 1: on the field coming off of torn Aco MCL everything.
Speaker 1: He's out there. He got seven touches in a brief
Speaker 1: amount of wars didn't see like a ton of pop.
Speaker 1: The guy who stood out to be more was probably
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson. That like Sean Payton was saying, it was
Speaker 1: fifteen pounds maybe more than he and he did move quicker.
Speaker 1: So that is something where you get eyes on a
Speaker 1: guy in the preseason, and you saw that seventeen year
Speaker 1: at Scamper that Russell Williams had, Russell Wilson had. But
Speaker 1: when watching Devonte Williams, I just think for fantasy and
Speaker 1: just for life, like I don't necessarily expect him to
Speaker 1: be the lead back early in the season. It might
Speaker 1: be some a JP Ryan who in that game looked
Speaker 1: better and it would make total sense if he's better
Speaker 1: than Javonteo.
Speaker 2: This is no longer a trope alert with Russell Wilson
Speaker 2: because now we really see it. The man who's called
Speaker 2: the sack of Potatoes in December, he looks lighter, he
Speaker 2: looks like it's twenty thirteen. Not saying he's gonna be
Speaker 2: that guy again, but on that scramble you could just
Speaker 2: see his body types a little different and he if
Speaker 2: anybody in the league was more humbled and is coming
Speaker 2: into the season with more to prove. It's Wilson, and
Speaker 2: you know Mark, He's a maniac in terms of how
Speaker 2: he sees himself, how he preps, the way he his
Speaker 2: life revolves around ball. Like, are we kind of maybe
Speaker 2: is it time to start buying into the Russell Wilson
Speaker 2: renaissance season.
Speaker 3: I don't need to buy into it at all yet,
Speaker 3: but I will say this like quiet and husher tones
Speaker 3: on his demise, just because I think that the addition
Speaker 3: of Sean Payton is massive. You know. I think when
Speaker 3: you come back from the summer and you see that
Speaker 3: these players' bodies have been transformed, I think running backs,
Speaker 3: you can see it. You're right up on that. On
Speaker 3: that scramble with Wilson, he just looked out of it
Speaker 3: last year and so arrow up. But I mean, I
Speaker 3: feel like there's a long way to go before we
Speaker 3: get too excited, because I think what we saw last
Speaker 3: year was an absolute collapse of an athlete, and I
Speaker 3: don't really trust the rebound situation in those situations. Some
Speaker 3: I also, like I thought brock Purty looked pretty good,
Speaker 3: like Trey Lance dug himself out of some trouble in
Speaker 3: that game, I don't even know if Trey Lance even
Speaker 3: as an argument to be the number two quarterback on
Speaker 3: that team because Sam Darnold is a better fit. It
Speaker 3: seems like in a Shanahan offense, and I thought look
Speaker 3: pretty good for the second game in a row.
Speaker 2: Relatedly, circling back to bodies, is there any head coach
Speaker 2: out there that came back looking trim, doing the old
Speaker 2: fit in July, not so fit come November?
Speaker 3: Aren't there so many more fit coaches in general? Like
Speaker 3: you've got more Kyle Shanahan's than you do, you know
Speaker 3: Rex Ryan's Circle twenty eleven.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, Shannan's a thin guy, though, I mean he's
Speaker 1: in good shape. He's no sala you know. Lafleur looked
Speaker 1: like he might have packed on some muscle. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's always been a trim guy, but might be bigger
Speaker 1: than every I'm still not convinced about us, by the way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they ran an RPO for him though, like, which is like, Wow,
Speaker 1: they're believing in the athleticism, But the rest of it's
Speaker 1: been pretty uneven, I would say through two weeks in
Speaker 1: terms of like trying to drop back to pass. But
Speaker 1: the announcers in that game noted which I was shocked
Speaker 1: to realize. Russell Wilson, as I think, has more rushing
Speaker 1: yards than any quarterback in history other than Cam Newton
Speaker 1: and Michael Vick. He's like, wow, he's played football long time.
Speaker 2: I'll throw out two pops related to the running back
Speaker 2: depth charts of two teams. Is this the year that
Speaker 2: Mike Brabel asks for just a little bit less from
Speaker 2: Derreck Henry? There's so much hand ringing about is it
Speaker 2: finally time to fade the big dog, you know, entering
Speaker 2: an age thirty campaign or twenty nine right on the
Speaker 2: on those there, and is he going to keep it up? Well?
Speaker 2: Remember TYJ Spears third round pick out of Greg.
Speaker 1: Too Lane, poor mute on because Walker was having a
Speaker 1: sneezing fit that job.
Speaker 2: Anyway, he gets, he gets some run this weekend and
Speaker 2: looked really good. He had a thirty three yard touchdown run.
Speaker 2: He hit over twenty miles per hour on that run.
Speaker 2: Fifty seven yards on seven carries. That's saucy, and that
Speaker 2: does mean that I'm saying Derek Henry is going to
Speaker 2: start losing serious work ers is going to be a
Speaker 2: fifty to fifty split. But it just makes sense. If
Speaker 2: Rabel does have a young dog that he feels good about,
Speaker 2: the big dog could still be the guy, and Spears
Speaker 2: can take that touch count down from four hundred to
Speaker 2: three fifty and then maybe everybody wins. And then the
Speaker 2: other one is in Jacksonville, where we keep hearing about
Speaker 2: Tank Bigsby and it looks like it might be a
Speaker 2: thing here another third round pick. He ran well over
Speaker 2: five yards to carry one hundred and twenty two yards
Speaker 2: on twenty two carries in six quarters in these two games,
Speaker 2: and Greg, you and I differ a little bit. I
Speaker 2: think Travis Atien is somebody who could still take his
Speaker 2: game the next level, but again, different leadership from when
Speaker 2: he came on to the team. They obviously like Tank
Speaker 2: to bring him into the building, and he's played well
Speaker 2: now through the summer. That could be something different, could
Speaker 2: be a more closer to a fifty to fifty split,
Speaker 2: potentially depending on how Tank looks early in the season.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like him, and I always keep in mind,
Speaker 1: like who brought these players in. That makes a huge
Speaker 1: difference to me, Not that they don't like Etn, but
Speaker 1: they brought in Bigsby, they didn't bring in Etn. I
Speaker 1: am a little worried about the Jaguars in general. There
Speaker 1: their offensive line might not be opening up like big
Speaker 1: holes for these guys. They have the suspension to start
Speaker 1: the season. They're right tackle Anton Harrison, who was a
Speaker 1: first round pick, has had this shoulder injury that isn't
Speaker 1: going away. So I feel like and there's a few
Speaker 1: other injury things where I feel like there's some warning
Speaker 1: signs with the Jaguars early.
Speaker 3: They're really deep at running back because I think people
Speaker 3: forget about Dearanis Johnson, who in a spots start for
Speaker 3: the Browns, came in on Thursday night and looked like
Speaker 3: Nick Chubb or was as effective as a starter in
Speaker 3: a big win for them, and everywhere he goes, he produces.
Speaker 3: And I thought even in the even in these games,
Speaker 3: like there's these little moments that I'm like, I think
Speaker 3: Dearanis Johnson will be a starter someday or certainly can
Speaker 3: be a guy that gets much more committee work. And
Speaker 3: so that's one aspect of offense, Like they're suddenly very
Speaker 3: deep and very interesting at running back.
Speaker 2: Uh, somebody who pooped Mark Well.
Speaker 3: I actually wanted to mention a pop if I.
Speaker 2: Could, Oh you could absolutely, Mark, Yes.
Speaker 3: I've been waiting to see the felt No, I didn't.
Speaker 3: I just there's plenty there listened list with like seven
Speaker 3: thousand things on it. We'll get to it. But I've
Speaker 3: been waiting to see the Falcons. And you know, right
Speaker 3: away Bjeon Robinson had had that run that went viral.
Speaker 3: You just see him a sort of like cross sectioning
Speaker 3: through a bunch of defenders, and I think that was
Speaker 3: like a fifteen play drive. They didn't score because it
Speaker 3: ended in an interception, but Drake London got involved.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: B Jeon Robinson had a one handed catch, then Kyle
Speaker 3: Pitts had a one handed catch, and it kind of
Speaker 3: just went up and down the field. And I thought
Speaker 3: also that, you know, we've been waiting to see if
Speaker 3: the floor falls out with desmon Rador. I thought it
Speaker 3: looked pretty good. You know, the interception was not entirely
Speaker 3: his fault, and he made some good He had good
Speaker 3: chemistry Drake Lonnon like he did at the end of
Speaker 3: last year too. So I don't know. I think Arthur
Speaker 3: Smith is onto something here. They just seem like, if
Speaker 3: they stay healthy, they have so many different types of
Speaker 3: weapons and can play different styles of football. I don't know.
Speaker 3: There's no NFC team I'm more interested in right now.
Speaker 1: M Yeah. I didn't need to see Bejon break four
Speaker 1: tackles and four carries to think that he was criminally
Speaker 1: underrated at the bottom of the first round in fantasy.
Speaker 1: But I saw it, and one of the reasons because
Speaker 1: I think he's underrated as a receiver. They just didn't
Speaker 1: use him that way in college that much because they
Speaker 1: were so talented. They have, you know, great backup for
Speaker 1: him two Roshon Johnson. But man, he caught a one
Speaker 1: hander like I'm in and Kyle pets all systems go,
Speaker 1: which is a good sign. Nothing's bad has happened with
Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts. They've rammed him up slowly, but he was
Speaker 1: out there. He's now healthy enough to play in a
Speaker 1: preseason game, so he's all systems to go for the season,
Speaker 1: which is good.
Speaker 2: I missed out on Bijon by one pick in my
Speaker 2: fantasy draft last night. One almost made it back to
Speaker 2: the back end of the second round. That's insane.
Speaker 3: Suremiah, Well, that's on.
Speaker 1: Well, I guess you had the top pick then, so
Speaker 1: you know I'm not gonna kill you.
Speaker 2: I did.
Speaker 1: That was three I would take him in the top five.
Speaker 2: That see that seems a little rich for me. But
Speaker 2: if he was, if he was there for me, I
Speaker 2: was gonna grab him up. So that that one hurt.
Speaker 2: That one hurt. But yeah, that's it's gonna be fun
Speaker 2: to watch him. I don't know about the people are
Speaker 2: waiting for the Florida to drop out in Desmond Ridder mark,
Speaker 2: I just like there is no floor even yet. It's
Speaker 2: he's just kind of like a total unknown and and
Speaker 2: we'll see if he can play the guitar. It's the
Speaker 2: entire season kind of hinges on his ability to at
Speaker 2: least be a game manager, which I.
Speaker 3: Think it's fair. I don't think people are, like, you know,
Speaker 3: suggesting total doom. But he's sort of like he is
Speaker 3: the reason they might win four less games than they
Speaker 3: would with Ryan Tannehill or someone in some people's minds.
Speaker 3: And I I don't know. I don't hate. I don't
Speaker 3: hate what I see at the end of last year
Speaker 3: and this year, if.
Speaker 2: They come out in week one, who do they have
Speaker 2: Week one?
Speaker 1: Is that the Saint's Week one Panthers.
Speaker 2: Panthers in Week one, and Desmond Ridder plays very well
Speaker 2: and all these other guys are looking good. Yeah, they
Speaker 2: have a shot here. That's gonna be fun. If I'm
Speaker 2: a Falcons fan and I get a good Desmond Ritter
Speaker 2: Week one performance, I am flying thinking I'm winning this division?
Speaker 2: Like exciting times. How about Greg pop poop? What do
Speaker 2: you got?
Speaker 1: I hate to put poop on?
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: These great young quarterbacks I believe are gonna be great.
Speaker 2: C J.
Speaker 1: Stroud and Bryce Young because it certainly wasn't all on them,
Speaker 1: but we're talking preseason. What are we talking about? It
Speaker 1: really matters. It's rookie quarterbacks. It's it's rookies. And I've
Speaker 1: I've been underwhelmed not just by the quarterbacks but by
Speaker 1: the teams around these top two picks, partly because, like
Speaker 1: both games, the coaches were so positive and the local
Speaker 1: media was so positive. They were like, oh, progress from
Speaker 1: last week, like things looked much better, and I'm just thinking,
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: C J.
Speaker 1: Stroud's played I think five drives and they have They've
Speaker 1: had three points and the only three points came because
Speaker 1: there was a roughing the passer penalty, and he did
Speaker 1: make two really beautiful throws that reminded you of why
Speaker 1: he was taken second overall, but the first drive of
Speaker 1: the game he has a delay a game that was
Speaker 1: totally on him at the goal line. That was a
Speaker 1: huge sort of rookie mistake, and then the airmails a
Speaker 1: touchdown pass. It's just been uneven. The offensive lines for
Speaker 1: both teams haven't been great, and Bryce Young just felt
Speaker 1: a little hesitant to get rid of the ball. I
Speaker 1: know the numbers didn't look that bad. And his left
Speaker 1: tackle for the second straight week. I kan wu who
Speaker 1: opens up against the Falcons, by the way, it's like
Speaker 1: correction the Panthers Falcons week one he hasn't looked good either,
Speaker 1: So I just you didn't come out of this preseason.
Speaker 1: And they both might play in Week three of the preseason,
Speaker 1: but so far it hasn't been great.
Speaker 3: I feel like we have such a small viewable sample
Speaker 3: size of Bryce Young. He barely played last week, and
Speaker 3: it just it wasn't I don't yeah, I don't think
Speaker 3: you can over pump it up as like what a
Speaker 3: return effort.
Speaker 1: I know CJ.
Speaker 3: Stroud though, because the one thing watching some of his
Speaker 3: tape coming out of college is just the way he throws.
Speaker 3: It's just it's something beauty full to watch, and I
Speaker 3: thought that the fourteen yarder to Noah Brown, it kind
Speaker 3: of put it on display. And I get with some
Speaker 3: of these guys, I just want to see what you can do.
Speaker 3: And I mean a lot of it, A lot of
Speaker 3: it is just happening in a weird situation. You've got
Speaker 3: weird guys out there, your lines all over the place,
Speaker 3: you don't know who's on defense. But when I see
Speaker 3: him make that throw, I'm like, I know we can
Speaker 3: do that at this level, and it's just like that's
Speaker 3: exciting to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, small sample size on Bryce Young is right, but
Speaker 2: that's two weeks in a row where I've watched him.
Speaker 2: He's kind of getting his ass kicked and taking big
Speaker 2: hits in preseason games, games that don't matter, before opposing
Speaker 2: defensive coordinators or even like putting in any real scheme
Speaker 2: or you know, diagnosing ways to attack the opposing offense
Speaker 2: in any real way. Like, you know, we don't need
Speaker 2: to dwell on his size and all that, but if
Speaker 2: this offensive line doesn't figure things out, then I just
Speaker 2: worry about him. Stroud We'll see, and I think he
Speaker 2: has a little bit more around him. I really worry
Speaker 2: about Bryce Young being in a tough situation and this
Speaker 2: season because he doesn't really have any anything proven around
Speaker 2: him in terms of weapons. And then an offensive line
Speaker 2: that's a work in progress. It's it's so far not
Speaker 2: so good, but it's preseason. Same thing with I just
Speaker 2: said about defense. You got to give the offense the
Speaker 2: benefit of the doubt that they're going to be showing
Speaker 2: up differently come week one. But there are some red
Speaker 2: flags here for sure.
Speaker 1: It's a little hesitant just holding the ball, just like,
Speaker 1: not not reacting quick yet.
Speaker 2: Looks like a rookie in the second preseason game.
Speaker 1: That's what happens.
Speaker 2: Let's see. Let's go with oh my favorite, the most
Speaker 2: preseason summary thing I've ever read in the in the
Speaker 2: follow up to one of these games, let's talk about
Speaker 2: the Miami Dolphins who played the Texans. This is from
Speaker 2: Marcel Luis Jacquez of ESPN. I'll read it in full.
Speaker 2: Perhaps perhaps the biggest relief for fans and coaches came
Speaker 2: when Tongue of Iloa took a hit from Texans defensive
Speaker 2: tackle Sheldon Rankings after an incomplete pass, possibly tapping into
Speaker 2: his off season jiu jitsu training, Tago taga Iloa rotated
Speaker 2: his body on the way to the ground to avoid
Speaker 2: hitting his head on the turf. It's been a big
Speaker 2: where yet week one.
Speaker 3: I can't imagine why that's tiresome to you.
Speaker 1: This has been all month. There was like a practice
Speaker 1: where he did like a roll off of a sack,
Speaker 1: like he sort of went into like a flip or something,
Speaker 1: and people were going nuts about the h the jiu jitsu. Hey, whatever,
Speaker 1: keeps to a healthy I'm happy.
Speaker 2: I'm just I'm just saying the speed of the game
Speaker 2: is probably gonna overwhelm this. Uh trading camp notebook lead.
Speaker 2: That's all. That's all I'm gonna say. I'm my concern
Speaker 2: there is that this probably in real speed games won't matter.
Speaker 2: So I guess I would say that I'm pooping on
Speaker 2: that is something to worry about.
Speaker 1: I'll uh, I'll put three a pick on his very
Speaker 1: first throw, so like, uh, this season last year ended
Speaker 1: on a pick and then you know, bad one.
Speaker 2: Mark, I'll tee you up on this one. The Steelers
Speaker 2: popped again on offense. We can get juiced up about
Speaker 2: this if we choose. It's against the Bills, who, by
Speaker 2: the way, saw their ten game preseason winning streak snapped.
Speaker 2: Nailed it, so you have Kenny Pickett looking good with
Speaker 2: the first team offense, Jalen Warren looking hot, and you
Speaker 2: know Nase Harris is officially I think I noticed another
Speaker 2: guy who I think is going to be in some
Speaker 2: danger of losing substantial touches, another former first round pick.
Speaker 2: Keep an eye on that situation, because the Steelers seem
Speaker 2: like they're ready to really rotate in and and make
Speaker 2: that a different situation. So Picket's still looking good, the
Speaker 2: backfield looking good, Pittsburgh's offense two weeks in a row
Speaker 2: looking good. Not a real defense, not real scheming, not
Speaker 2: a real game, but it's worth noting well.
Speaker 3: I will say this though, I mean I like it
Speaker 3: when a team has these like glowing practice reports, and
Speaker 3: specifically Kenny Pickett. That's been the case since back to
Speaker 3: OTA's and it's like, do you really see Kenny Pickett
Speaker 3: as a quarterback that like physically a physical specimen is
Speaker 3: gonna make this giant leap And it was like, I
Speaker 3: don't know. That sort of sounded like he probably is
Speaker 3: who he is, but there's these like symbols and signs
Speaker 3: that suggest he is and he has grown, and like
Speaker 3: it went from practices to two very clean games, and
Speaker 3: the Bills had their starters in them defense for a
Speaker 3: big chunk of that first half, and Pittsburgh just dominated them.
Speaker 3: At one point, Tom was just like, let's get the
Speaker 3: starters out of here. That's two weeks in a row
Speaker 3: where they're making my multiple, you know, double digit, potentially
Speaker 3: twelve win prediction for this season look more and more solidified.
Speaker 1: I feel like they're August champs. I don't think anyone's
Speaker 1: gotten more offseason slash preseason hype than Pick and then
Speaker 1: for him to realize it, and in people who are
Speaker 1: usually a little crusty the Steelers beat writers and stuff
Speaker 1: who usually don't want to I don't feel like they're
Speaker 1: cheerleaders there. If anything, they're kind of hard on them.
Speaker 1: And they've just been saying since the first day of camp,
Speaker 1: like he has been incredible, and then he does in
Speaker 1: the preseason. I'm falling for it a little bit, and
Speaker 1: I do like me some Jalen Warren as a as
Speaker 1: a third down back. Like his numbers, he was an
Speaker 1: undrafted guy a year ago, but his like numbers, some
Speaker 1: of his advanced metrics says when he was on the field,
Speaker 1: he was one of the most effective third down guys
Speaker 1: in the league. You've learned some things from the Steelers
Speaker 1: this preseason, like they're not starting progerc Jones their first
Speaker 1: round pick, and then this kid, it happened again. Someone
Speaker 1: let the Steelers get like a great edge rusher in
Speaker 1: the middle rounds if this always freaking happens. Nick Herbig,
Speaker 1: he's in my mix for Defensive Player of the Year
Speaker 1: for the preseason. He's got to be in the mix.
Speaker 1: Two and a half sacks and Forrest Fumble. It's a
Speaker 1: big honor. But Nick Herbig has been lighting it up
Speaker 1: and he's gonna be it. They have, like Kim Highsmith,
Speaker 1: they have what, they got a lot. They're just good upfront, Mark,
Speaker 1: what do you got?
Speaker 2: You got some poop?
Speaker 3: I Well, I would say that the Arizona Cardinals represent
Speaker 3: a giant pile of excrement after what we saw this week.
Speaker 3: I'm not surprised. I get it's the Cardinals, but I
Speaker 3: really my takeaway though, was that the Chiefs. I think
Speaker 3: Andy Reid has been trying to find a way and
Speaker 3: you know, this is just what he's you know, this
Speaker 3: is an annual thing. But to kind of flip the
Speaker 3: switch on saying goodbye to last year coming in and
Speaker 3: having everyone just kind of dial into their intensity. And
Speaker 3: I'm just watching this like they other starters in for
Speaker 3: a bunch of time, and their offensive line is utterly
Speaker 3: dominated Arizona. They're just so dominant. And they had eighteen
Speaker 3: different players caught a pass in this game. Rashi Rice,
Speaker 3: their rookie who they traded up into round two to get,
Speaker 3: had eight catches for ninety six yards. Mahomes completed a
Speaker 3: pass to nine different teammates. And it's like, I'm not
Speaker 3: trying to break news here, but like Shane, it may
Speaker 3: be a better backup than blaying Gabbert. Like I mean,
Speaker 3: this is like, this is sort of what we'd expect
Speaker 3: from the Chiefs ro at a little bit, but to
Speaker 3: see how dominant they are and how organized they are,
Speaker 3: and it just seems like there's an intensity level that
Speaker 3: suggests to me that it's like there's gonna be no
Speaker 3: hangover from the Super Bowl. I think that Reid has
Speaker 3: found a way to get to the heart of this
Speaker 3: club and they just looked utterly, insanely, wildly better than
Speaker 3: the Cardinals.
Speaker 2: Just like you seg the poop right back into a pop.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a verse. You know you can't have one
Speaker 3: without the other.
Speaker 1: Here much about the Cardinals there, And if the takeaway
Speaker 1: is the Chiefs are better than the Cardinals.
Speaker 3: Well no, I think the Chiefs are better than every
Speaker 3: anyone and the Cardinal like it's confirmation that the Cardinals
Speaker 3: looked to me about as floating as law and lost.
Speaker 3: I mean, as you could have expected.
Speaker 2: You came up with this the segment name when your
Speaker 2: first poop comes and we just say, oh, the Cardinals suck.
Speaker 2: But how about the Chiefs. People want it, People want
Speaker 2: some real excrement from the mark I give time around.
Speaker 1: Well, I do think they got caught. I somehow sometimes
Speaker 1: see in the preseason, like if one team is a
Speaker 1: disappointment one week, especially a good team like the Chiefs,
Speaker 1: they always come out the next week, especially if their
Speaker 1: starters play when we used to play starters in the preseason,
Speaker 1: then they come out extra fired up the next week.
Speaker 1: I think the Cardinals were in a tough spot there,
Speaker 1: but they lost Dennis Gardock, who's one of the few
Speaker 1: decent air rushers. They lost Marco Wilson, who's supposedly their
Speaker 1: number one cornerback in this game injury wise, and Colt McCoy,
Speaker 1: who I guess is the starter had three drives and
Speaker 1: I think only one of them had a first down.
Speaker 1: I don't they didn't score any points. And listening to
Speaker 1: the people there in the Cardinals website like Clayton Tune,
Speaker 1: our guy, the fifth round rookie, I wouldn't say he's
Speaker 1: lit it up in the preseason. He's just like, okay,
Speaker 1: some of these late round rookies have looked great, but
Speaker 1: he's looked okay. He's ran for a little bit. He
Speaker 1: scored some points and McCoy didn't. It seems like they
Speaker 1: haven't even given the job to Colt McCoy yet. They're
Speaker 1: kind of leaving that open still. That Clayton Tune could
Speaker 1: be a Week one starter against the Commandos.
Speaker 3: Colt McCoy's gonna get you too many wins, and you're
Speaker 3: trying to get the first overall picks, so he's too
Speaker 3: dangerous to put in there.
Speaker 2: Let's take a break right here and come back with
Speaker 2: more pops and poops. All right, we are bad, Greg,
Speaker 2: Where do you want to go? Where? What directs you
Speaker 2: want to go? Positive? Negative? Do it?
Speaker 1: Buddy, Let's go positive.
Speaker 3: Let's go with kind of a ballroom or the bathroom.
Speaker 2: Where are we going.
Speaker 1: We're making it positive. Lots of positive things happen there. Okay,
Speaker 1: it's important this one. You guys could take it and
Speaker 1: run with it too, because it's more than just one story.
Speaker 1: But it's it's the backup quarterback situations going on, but
Speaker 1: especially these late round rookies. But I'm just going to
Speaker 1: combine them all together because it's kind of weird. Aid
Speaker 1: and O'Connell. I watched them in person pitch a perfect game.
Speaker 1: It was eight o' O'Connell versus Stetson Bennett. That was
Speaker 1: you know, a ko in the third round by Aidan O'Connell.
Speaker 1: He is your preseason MVP through two weeks. Tanner mc key,
Speaker 1: he's got the radio station's buzzing in Philadelphia, looking way
Speaker 1: better than Marcus Mariota. That's a six round pick. Doria
Speaker 1: Thompson Robinson, We've talked about him. He's been good. Malik
Speaker 1: Willis appears to have beat out Uh he's not a rookie,
Speaker 1: but he appears to beat out a rookie. Will Levis.
Speaker 1: We got this kid from Shepherd University, Dan that's a
Speaker 1: D two school. His name is Tyson Badgin and he's
Speaker 1: been lighting it up in the preseason. All these these
Speaker 1: rookie late round rookies have been the story of the preseason.
Speaker 1: I don't know what it means. They're playing against third stringers,
Speaker 1: they're playing with third stringers, but they might be winning
Speaker 1: these backup jobs against some veterans. I think Brian Hoyer's
Speaker 1: career might end because of Aidan O'Connell. I think Mariota
Speaker 1: might be the third stringer if Hurts actually got hurt.
Speaker 1: I don't think they'll cut him. But like, these are
Speaker 1: things happening, and it's kind of fun to watch.
Speaker 2: The Malik Willis thing is interesting just because he was
Speaker 2: he was so bad and limited play last year that
Speaker 2: they were bringing a guy off the street late in
Speaker 2: the season with everything on the line for Tennessee last January,
Speaker 2: will Levis did injure himself in the joint practices leading
Speaker 2: into that game, which led to Malik getting all that
Speaker 2: playing time. But obviously it's setting up well for him
Speaker 2: to be the number two. And you know, whenever you're
Speaker 2: backing up a guy, it's getting up there in age
Speaker 2: and it's a bad offensive line. Potentially in Tennessee, we
Speaker 2: might see these guys or if the season doesn't go well,
Speaker 2: and like Zeuser hits on that under which I'm not
Speaker 2: feeling good about from Thursday's episode, You're probably gonna want
Speaker 2: to get these guys in the lineup in the second
Speaker 2: half of the season to get a look at what
Speaker 2: you have. So I think that's a backup quarterback situation
Speaker 2: that's more intriguing to me than others. You were at
Speaker 2: the Rams game, Greg, you said, so I got we're
Speaker 2: gonna head to the bathroom the Rams defense. I know,
Speaker 2: Aaron Donald's not in the mix, but over two hundred
Speaker 2: yards on the ground by the Chargers week and then
Speaker 2: Jimmy g and the Raiders roll over them early in
Speaker 2: this game. They put up thirty four points. You know,
Speaker 2: it's a reminder that Donald and this team have little
Speaker 2: hope unless some of these guys become guys. Did you
Speaker 2: see anybody that kind of jumped out at you for
Speaker 2: the Rams?
Speaker 1: I mean, I like this kid, Trey Tomlinson because he's
Speaker 1: Ladanian Tomlinson's nephew, and he's wearing a number six, and
Speaker 1: my son Walker's got a number six Rams jersey too.
Speaker 1: But when we're talking about like sixth round, you know,
Speaker 1: five seven cornerbacks that are popping. It's not great, and
Speaker 1: they were playing a lot of guys who will contribute
Speaker 1: for them. They are a mystery. But on defense they
Speaker 1: are as underpowered other than Donald as any team in
Speaker 1: the league.
Speaker 3: I mean, and I was at the Chargers Rams game,
Speaker 3: and I mean that was the first test for this defense,
Speaker 3: this Rams defense, and they up like two hundred yards
Speaker 3: rushing and had no answers for what was coming at them.
Speaker 3: So it's like, it's a really nice story to have
Speaker 3: all these young players, but in you know, in real life,
Speaker 3: the variance is massive because it's very possible that eight
Speaker 3: or nine of them are like a year away from
Speaker 3: being serviceable defenders.
Speaker 2: And since since I mentioned him, I'll go with a pop.
Speaker 2: I feel like expectations are so low for Jimmy Garoppolo
Speaker 2: that maybe he'll end up surprising people and the Raiders
Speaker 2: will be more proficient, at least on offense. Also, Josh McDaniels,
Speaker 2: I feel like his stock is pretty low in general
Speaker 2: entering this league, so there's just a general idea that
Speaker 2: it's not going to work, and certainly that's within the
Speaker 2: range of outcomes here. But a Garoppolo did look good
Speaker 2: in the Driva he was in and if he stays healthy,
Speaker 2: remember he does have DeVante Adams. The idea is that
Speaker 2: Josh Jacobs is going to report at some point, even
Speaker 2: if it's sitting out the entire preseason in training camp,
Speaker 2: and be back on the field. Uh, Michael Mayer, they
Speaker 2: go and get that tight end, so maybe he contributes
Speaker 2: in year one. Are Jacobe Meyers who you know a
Speaker 2: lot of Patriots fans which was still up in New England.
Speaker 2: He's there now? Is it possible? And again not reading
Speaker 2: too much into this game, but it did look nice
Speaker 2: while they were all together that we're sleeping on the
Speaker 2: Raiders being proficient and maybe even frisky on offense.
Speaker 3: Well, okay, because I think I think I get annoyed
Speaker 3: when I see these lists. Were like Jimmy G is
Speaker 3: just sort of casually shoved down as like the thirtieth
Speaker 3: best quarterback in the league.
Speaker 2: Like the veras Jimmy What. Let me just say, I
Speaker 2: just did that fantasy draft in a two quarterback league
Speaker 2: and a ten team league, and Jimmy G doesn't even
Speaker 2: get drafted in my league. Just to back up your point,
Speaker 2: go on there, people are just like out on.
Speaker 1: Him come up as a third. Don't you want another
Speaker 1: quarterback on your bench?
Speaker 2: Or you can't do that three max three max.
Speaker 3: I think part of it is, you know, it's like, oh,
Speaker 3: you're in Shanahan's system, so anything that you do is
Speaker 3: going to get downgraded.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: You know, he's one playoff, he's been to a Super Bowl.
Speaker 3: Like when he's good, he's really good. I thought he
Speaker 3: looked sharp in that opening drive. So I'm with you
Speaker 3: in the sense that, like the I I write off
Speaker 3: the Raiders as a team with with severe confidence, But
Speaker 3: I don't. I think that, like Jimmy g is not
Speaker 3: the reason, and that is that does peak my annoyance
Speaker 3: when I hear that. I'll I'll tell you something though,
Speaker 3: because like I think one thing about this preseason, it's
Speaker 3: like I want to see I wanted to see more
Speaker 3: of Jordan Love and like, uh, I'm kind of impressed
Speaker 3: with with what he's done over two weeks. You know,
Speaker 3: there are some moments where he's kind of like I
Speaker 3: think of anything, he's had some tough moments where he's
Speaker 3: had to like work his way out of it and
Speaker 3: put together a good drive, and he did that. He
Speaker 3: did it against New England. I know that game was,
Speaker 3: you know, canceled early because of the situation with the
Speaker 3: Isaiah Bolden. He's out of the hospital. That's great to know.
Speaker 3: But Jordan Love had a couple of lasers in that game.
Speaker 3: And I just look at this whole offense because it's like,
Speaker 3: we don't know what the Packers are gonna look like
Speaker 3: this year. It could go south and maybe these players
Speaker 3: are too young, but like Christian Watson, Romeo Dobbs, Jayden
Speaker 3: Reely looks good to me. Luke Musgrave is already essentially
Speaker 3: a starter at tight end and Love has had these
Speaker 3: moments where I'm like, I think sitting for a while
Speaker 3: like he did, did have some positive impact on him.
Speaker 3: Now he's got to play, and it's like I kind
Speaker 3: of could just see this offense growing more formidable as
Speaker 3: the year goes along. And I mean, I don't have
Speaker 3: a problem with the idea of Green Bay winning ten games.
Speaker 3: If Love can play the guitars, you'd say, yeah.
Speaker 2: I agree, I'm with you. I don't have strong takes
Speaker 2: on Jordan Love yet, Yeah, but I would say, what
Speaker 2: would Lee how would we rank? Like, what grade would
Speaker 2: we give Jordan Love? Greg based on camp reports and
Speaker 2: what we've seen on the field so far. B. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that sounds right. That's why I feel I almost feel
Speaker 2: muted in how to feel because you're kind of seeing
Speaker 2: both sides reporting in both ends, and it's like one
Speaker 2: of those guys I really want to see when he's
Speaker 2: the man Capital T Capitol LM week one.
Speaker 3: But no, I don't have a problem with that. I
Speaker 3: think I'm sort of saying that the overall Green Bay offense,
Speaker 3: and there's a lot of young players here, but I
Speaker 3: kind of just excited more than I've been about the
Speaker 3: Packers on a long They were the same thing for
Speaker 3: so long, and it's like, this is interesting.
Speaker 1: To get rid of the whole fire to Rogers dynasty.
Speaker 1: I always annoyed you. Yes, I'm with you though, because
Speaker 1: their preseason. Think I would give their offense though, like
Speaker 1: an A minus or A for this preseason in camp
Speaker 1: because you don't really know if Musgrave and Jadeen Reed
Speaker 1: Jdane Reed is a rookie who's gonna be their starting
Speaker 1: slot receiver. You don't really know how they're gonna look
Speaker 1: in their first camp in preseason, they went out and
Speaker 1: earned those jobs and they've looked quite good. So they're rookies,
Speaker 1: so we don't know how it's gonna translate. In the preseason.
Speaker 1: Dobbs is making plays love. We've seen him in a
Speaker 1: bunch of preseasons. He makes really bad plays and he
Speaker 1: makes awesome throws. To me, he's gonna be a very
Speaker 1: entertaining player. Like his big time throw rate will be
Speaker 1: through the roof. His turnover worthy play rate, I have
Speaker 1: a feeling will be through the roof. And so it's
Speaker 1: gonna just be like huge ups and downs. But I
Speaker 1: think they've had a nice, a nice little month Unlike like,
Speaker 1: let's say, like I do kind of pay attention to
Speaker 1: who's getting hyping out, Like I kind of expected justin
Speaker 1: fields to have more hype this preseason. I'm not giving
Speaker 1: them a pooped or anything, but it's just like second
Speaker 1: year and in this offense, they built all this stuff
Speaker 1: around them, and that the vibe you get from the
Speaker 1: Bears is incremental growth. If that it hasn't been a
Speaker 1: Kenny Pickett big big jump at least in terms of camp.
Speaker 2: Pipe cycling back raiders six and a half over under. Hmmm,
Speaker 2: that's in a good spot.
Speaker 1: You know What's interesting? Throughout camp, they've been saying their
Speaker 1: defense has really been a surprise, like surprisingly good. They
Speaker 1: really think the defense is better. It's been kind of
Speaker 1: beating up the offense. And then when they went to
Speaker 1: have those joint practices with the Rams, that continued. They
Speaker 1: beat up the Rams offense, but the offense was starting
Speaker 1: to get better. Maybe the Rams just stink, but it
Speaker 1: was a good week I think for the rout.
Speaker 2: Just like I would do anything to pivot out of
Speaker 2: my Titans under. I just I wish I could go
Speaker 2: back and and change time Packers at seven and a half. Hmm, Well,
Speaker 2: I want to be banging the over there.
Speaker 1: I want to get my fifth choice into the show.
Speaker 1: I know that after the fact you guys beeped it out.
Speaker 1: I just want to let you guys know all the
Speaker 1: all the greg heads out there who really want this
Speaker 1: for the money, you know that they could potentially get
Speaker 1: into in our season preview episode, we could circle back
Speaker 1: because we can tell you what we what we really
Speaker 1: like a team that we like. Just see just see.
Speaker 2: Sure that seems it seems fair unfair? Was you trying
Speaker 2: to cram in another over under?
Speaker 1: You asked, I didn't say anything. I left the time,
Speaker 1: and you were like you got more time to fill.
Speaker 1: You got more time to fill.
Speaker 2: I didn't say to give another over under. I just said,
Speaker 2: if you wanted to have anything else to say, not,
Speaker 2: I mean, just you kind of get take it to
Speaker 2: Planet Greg and we're not gonna We're not getting on
Speaker 2: the spaceship and going to Planet Greg with you every time, Gregy.
Speaker 1: I I have regrets. I wish I had made that
Speaker 1: my my fourth pick too. I'm gonna go poop. Let's
Speaker 1: send some some poop. What are we doing here with
Speaker 1: the poop? I don't know.
Speaker 2: Let's uh take it to the Sessler department. I like it, Mark,
Speaker 2: not the sanitis.
Speaker 1: I like it. I just don't know how to phrase
Speaker 1: it or introduce it. I'm gonna give this for Todd
Speaker 1: Bowles's press conferences talking about these quarterback battles. It's over.
Speaker 1: He picked Baker Mayfield, but he won't say it. Thank you.
Speaker 2: I was. I have this written down, Todd Earth to Todd.
Speaker 2: We don't need to be you know, we don't need
Speaker 2: to be tricky about this one. It's not as if
Speaker 2: this idea that Todd Bowles can go and not play
Speaker 2: Baker Mayfield in this game this weekend, even after the
Speaker 2: third string quarterback hurts his neck, and then after the game,
Speaker 2: all the reporters want is just general confirmation, and you
Speaker 2: can't give us that. We don't have any more time
Speaker 2: for these games.
Speaker 5: Todd, just just be real about it. Do you really think,
Speaker 5: Todd that the Vikings are on the edges of their
Speaker 5: seats worried about how they're gonna prepare for two qbs
Speaker 5: ahead of week one because they can't discern where Todd
Speaker 5: is gonna go on this enough.
Speaker 3: Also, wasn't Kyle Trass played twenty one for forty one
Speaker 3: in this game? You don't see that too often. Obviously
Speaker 3: it's Baker.
Speaker 1: Garnet, Arder.
Speaker 3: I don't know what. I don't even Understan. It's like
Speaker 3: a nineteen ninety six, you know, dueling with the media.
Speaker 3: I'm with you, it's tiresome. Fast forward fourteen days, please earth.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they made their choice, and Trass played like pretty
Speaker 1: well in that game. But yeah, when Wolford went out
Speaker 1: and they and he even said, he's like, I didn't
Speaker 1: want to risk Baker behind the second string offensive life.
Speaker 1: We didn't mind risking Kyle Trast. There was one other
Speaker 1: nugget there that I put in the in the article
Speaker 1: that I think has been under the raider, Like, I
Speaker 1: don't know if Ryan Jensen, who was an All Pro
Speaker 1: a few years ago Pro Bowl with Brady, Like I
Speaker 1: don't know if he's I know he's not gonna play
Speaker 1: Week one. I I'm wondering if he's gonna play football again.
Speaker 1: He like rushed back to play in that Brady playoff game.
Speaker 1: He tore his ACL MCL and dislocated his knee, then
Speaker 1: rushed back to play eighty snaps in that doomed playoff game.
Speaker 1: And now just the vibes, the vibes coming out, like
Speaker 1: it wouldn't surprise me if you hear this announcement that
Speaker 1: he's retiring or he's missing half the season, and they've
Speaker 1: got a lot of offensive line issues. They move Tristan
Speaker 1: Wurf's to the left side, that's supposedly not going great.
Speaker 1: They've got rookies, so it's a tough situation there. We
Speaker 1: talked about Russell Gage, like I feel, you know, out
Speaker 1: for the season.
Speaker 2: I think I hope you're wrong about that, because if
Speaker 2: that's a failure of the team, if he somehow aggravated
Speaker 2: or put himself in a worse spot by playing and
Speaker 2: again a terrible Bucks team that wasn't even over five
Speaker 2: hundred in the playoffs, and credit to him as a
Speaker 2: warrior that wanted to protect Brady and what looked it
Speaker 2: was his final game. But I hope he didn't further
Speaker 2: hurt himself or a mess himself up. He's thirty two
Speaker 2: years old. I know these guys age in different ways
Speaker 2: on the line, but you know he should have good
Speaker 2: football ahead of him. But yeah, that's scary.
Speaker 3: I've got two quick pops happened in the same game.
Speaker 3: The more I see from Jackson Smith and Jigba, just like, Okay,
Speaker 3: this guy's going to be extremely productive. From the first
Speaker 3: quarter of the first game, he looks the part. He
Speaker 3: just looks. You don't like a rookie to be completely comfortable.
Speaker 3: And you know they played the Cowboys and Jalen Tolbert
Speaker 3: has been getting tons of buzz at camp from Mike
Speaker 3: McCarthy on down.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 3: You know they they were short at wide receiver a
Speaker 3: year ago, and like someone like this could be a
Speaker 3: big help, A like he just he's an exciting player.
Speaker 3: So I think the two of the best like offensive
Speaker 3: skill position teams in the league, like Seattle looks for
Speaker 3: real to me and Dallas, I'm I struggled to I'm
Speaker 3: not putting in the NFC title game ever in my life.
Speaker 3: But it's hard to figure out who they're like, who
Speaker 3: has more talent than them right now?
Speaker 2: The JSN, he was an interesting one. You know, we
Speaker 2: just did the fantasy extravaganza last week because he does
Speaker 2: look like he's for real. But Pete Carroll loves to
Speaker 2: run the football. He's got a lot of guys to
Speaker 2: do it. He's got a very locked and loaded one
Speaker 2: to two at wide receiver. I think JSN can have
Speaker 2: an impact in a team way, but will he get
Speaker 2: enough touches to be really kind of jumping off the
Speaker 2: page in year one? That would be my only hesitation
Speaker 2: from a fantasy standpoint, or even like in a bullish
Speaker 2: on JSN standpoint.
Speaker 1: Right, and you mentioned Tolbert. We saw him catch a
Speaker 1: nice pass. I remember on Stefan Gilmour Well contested that
Speaker 1: day we were at camp. And he's kind of someone
Speaker 1: who the preseason's for in training camps for a very
Speaker 1: disappointing rookie season from him, but has come out and
Speaker 1: looked like a different player. And now watching him when
Speaker 1: on the outside, You think, Okay, the Cowboys have at
Speaker 1: least three or four wide receivers. He might end up
Speaker 1: taking some time from Michael Gallup if he can't play
Speaker 1: on the outside, but they're pretty loaded there at that position.
Speaker 2: I should have I should have connected this one boys
Speaker 2: when we were talking about the Cardinals. But I read
Speaker 2: that Isaiah Simmons, former first round pick who came into
Speaker 2: the league with did he did you bring him up?
Speaker 2: Gregory no came into the league with just a ton
Speaker 2: of buzz. I remember Cynthia coming on our show and
Speaker 2: pumping them up. And it was always a little weird
Speaker 2: because it was like, oh, yeah, he's a linebacker. I
Speaker 2: don't know, maybe he's on the edge, Maybe maybe he's this,
Speaker 2: maybe he's that. And then true to form, like Isaiah
Speaker 2: Simmons has never really found a home and now they're
Speaker 2: trying to make him a safety in Arizona and they're
Speaker 2: trying to find a way to make this work. And
Speaker 2: this is not something I was studying closely personally, but
Speaker 2: a report from ESPN that he really struggled against Kansas
Speaker 2: City in that role. So it's just like, for this
Speaker 2: is such a transition role, transition year for Arizona, they're
Speaker 2: trying to find this might be the last gasp of
Speaker 2: trying to make the Isaiah Simmons situation work. Could he
Speaker 2: be somebody that you know, I'm sure he'll make the team, obviously,
Speaker 2: but could he Is there another team that if this
Speaker 2: safety thing doesn't work, would they trade him for a
Speaker 2: low draft pick? I don't know, We'll see.
Speaker 3: Doesn't it feel like the kind of story where like
Speaker 3: he does end up on another team and tells essentially
Speaker 3: the horror story that's occurred here over the past couple
Speaker 3: of years in Arizona, Because like you'll talk about negligence
Speaker 3: with like a Ryan Jensen, He's had how many coaches
Speaker 3: Simmons and how many times have they moved him around
Speaker 3: and tried different things with Part of it is like
Speaker 3: he's not he hasn't been dominant editing those things. But
Speaker 3: it's like he was always drafted as someone that's the
Speaker 3: right coach would need to find the right way to
Speaker 3: use him. And now it just feels desperate. And I
Speaker 3: could see him going somewhere else and going right back
Speaker 3: to linebacker with a better coaching staff and some consistency,
Speaker 3: and maybe we get a different version of him.
Speaker 2: And this one is neither a pop nor a poop.
Speaker 2: So whatever is in the middle, it's like in the
Speaker 2: hallway between the ballroom and the bathroom. McKay Beckton has
Speaker 2: finally entered the starting lineup conversation for the Jets. He
Speaker 2: saw some significant snaps against the Bucks in the preseason game.
Speaker 2: He got out of it, okay, twenty five snaps in
Speaker 2: his debut at right tackle, and it looks like he's
Speaker 2: gonna get some first team reps. I mean, it's just
Speaker 2: it's alarming that a team in the Jets that really
Speaker 2: is unsettled at offensive line, that we're this deep into
Speaker 2: training camp in the preseason and Beckden is only now
Speaker 2: being kind of introduced to the possibility of being a starter.
Speaker 2: I think it tells a story. I also wonder, why
Speaker 2: do I keep on reading about Beckton like he'll be
Speaker 2: able to play a full round of snaps and with
Speaker 2: the first team when his body is right. I mean,
Speaker 2: at what point does the body get right? He hasn't
Speaker 2: played in two years and had the surgery before last
Speaker 2: season really even got going. But he is gonna, I think,
Speaker 2: in a best case scenario, play really well the rest
Speaker 2: of the summer and he will be there right tackle,
Speaker 2: and then you cross your fingers that Dwayne Brown gets
Speaker 2: healthy on the left side for a Jets offensive line
Speaker 2: that is by far the biggest question mark for this team.
Speaker 2: And read into it, It's okay to read into it.
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers does not play in the preseason. He's open
Speaker 2: that it doesn't matter. He's with a zeuser on that one,
Speaker 2: and yet he will be seeing snaps against the Giants
Speaker 2: next week. Why that's the Jets telling you they're noivous
Speaker 2: about this line. They feel like they need to get
Speaker 2: some live reps ahead of Week one, So hopefully Rogers
Speaker 2: gets out of that safe and sound. But the fact
Speaker 2: that he's playing, I think has everything to do with
Speaker 2: not him throwing the football around, but feeling comfortable in
Speaker 2: the offensive line getting more reps together. Is they try
Speaker 2: to square this away before a very tough beginning of
Speaker 2: the season.
Speaker 3: I mean, I can't imagine if you're Joe Douglas and
Speaker 3: you've gone this far and acquired to all these players
Speaker 3: that you aren't on the phone line NonStop looking around
Speaker 3: the league for proven tackles. I just I can see
Speaker 3: a trade going down at some point. They need depth,
Speaker 3: no matter what I want to bring up one other
Speaker 3: tackle who is a bit of a surprise. His name
Speaker 3: is Big Thanos. He's six foot eight, three hundred and
Speaker 3: seventy five pounds. A fourth round pick of the Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 3: He's been on the field for one hundred and eleven
Speaker 3: pass blocking snaps and not allowed a sack and has
Speaker 3: been pretty eye poppingly effective. I don't know you draft
Speaker 3: that player thinking that's a project. The size was there,
Speaker 3: and like he looks like he can play, and I
Speaker 3: kind of think that, you know, they get into a jam.
Speaker 3: He could start games for him down the stretch, Like
Speaker 3: that's the count. Get a fourth gat nickname. That's a
Speaker 3: great nickname. Yeah, Big Fanos.
Speaker 1: Circularly back on Rogers Cook, I did just want to
Speaker 1: throw a quote out from Rogers last week something and
Speaker 1: then he was talking about the offensive line. Some things
Speaker 1: are out of my control. Some things I have input
Speaker 1: on who's playing left and right tackle. I don't have
Speaker 1: imput input on At this point, I don't get concerned
Speaker 1: about things I don't have a huge draw on. Now
Speaker 1: that might change. At some point I might say I
Speaker 1: need the five who are going to be in there
Speaker 1: to be in there. With me for a solid week,
Speaker 1: which I think are reasonable things all to say. I
Speaker 1: feel like if in a previous generation or if he
Speaker 1: was in Green Bay and said those things, it actually
Speaker 1: might have gotten some heat of like, oh, there is
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers trying to say he should be making the
Speaker 1: personnel decisions, and like, I actually applaud the New York
Speaker 1: media for not blowing those out. But I think I
Speaker 1: think it makes sense, like there hasn't been progress there
Speaker 1: and at some point he's gonna be like, look, guys,
Speaker 1: pick pick the guys. Let's go pick the guys. This
Speaker 1: might be the week.
Speaker 2: I think I hear you. Who else got something?
Speaker 1: Uh, let's let's just say some news to me. This
Speaker 1: is a pop because I've been on the Jdavian Clowney
Speaker 1: bandwagon for too long. He's on the Ravens. It's where,
Speaker 1: It's where he should be. That's all. It's they needed
Speaker 1: and he needed them. They're very thinn at cornerback. They're
Speaker 1: very thin in terms of their edge rusher production, you know,
Speaker 1: and just some young players and they'll probably squeeze a
Speaker 1: good season out of him because that's what they do
Speaker 1: with like mid thirties.
Speaker 2: Watch him finally get that ten sex season for the
Speaker 2: Ravens at age thirty one or whatever.
Speaker 3: I mean, you basically quit on last team.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was not a great not a great look.
Speaker 1: But hopefully if you're the Ravens they could use him.
Speaker 1: It would be him a job oh away, Now that's
Speaker 1: maybe that's that's an okay group.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw in one one where I guess the
Speaker 1: pop here would be Juwan Johnson, who's looked great. The
Speaker 1: Saints tit and a lot of hype dominated joint practices
Speaker 1: reportedly look good in the preseason. But that brings up
Speaker 1: the tight end position there, which it was just a
Speaker 1: strange story. It was hard to wrap your mind around
Speaker 1: this one, but we should note it. It's newsworthy, which
Speaker 1: is that Jimmy Graham was was seen acting erradically at
Speaker 1: the resort they were staying at, and the police recalled
Speaker 1: and he was initially arrested, and then he was taken
Speaker 1: to the hospital, and the Saints released the statement that
Speaker 1: he had a medical condition, a Caesar seizure. And I
Speaker 1: believe that was known about Graham a little bit before that.
Speaker 1: He had had some issues with seizures and and they
Speaker 1: didn't really fill in the blanks of how this was
Speaker 1: all connected. Uh, but it's not great, and they're not
Speaker 1: saying anything about his football future. He obviously didn't play
Speaker 1: in the preseason game. But I don't know. You wish
Speaker 1: you wish the best for Jimmy Graham, and you're you're
Speaker 1: a little anxious if he was playing football.
Speaker 2: I think we were all like kind of stunned or
Speaker 2: at least surprised when Jimmy Graham resurfaced as a football player,
Speaker 2: back with a team where he really became a star.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I would imagine, just from a pure football standpoint,
Speaker 2: he's not going to be on this team and maybe
Speaker 2: we're going to get some update on that in the
Speaker 2: next few days. And I hope he's okay, because that
Speaker 2: that sounds like, at least over the weekend he was
Speaker 2: very not okay. You know what else is not okay?
Speaker 2: Can we can you pull that up? Eric Roberts, how's
Speaker 2: the thumb? By the way, Eric Roberts, Before we get
Speaker 2: to that, check out his life little health his thumb
Speaker 2: now after a week yeah, one week later, after nearly
Speaker 2: or not even nearly, chopping off the tip of his
Speaker 2: thumb while cutting damn potatoes. It's okay yet, I'm are
Speaker 2: we doing? Does it hurt?
Speaker 4: It doesn't hurt that much anymore now, it's just kind
Speaker 4: of living with less of a thumb, so it no,
Speaker 4: I mean, the pain's pretty much subsided.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: It's walking around without a bandage on it now. So
Speaker 4: that's fun to see. I see people kind of like
Speaker 4: catch a glimpse of it, and then I see their
Speaker 4: eyes following my hand around and let's try to have
Speaker 4: a nub over here. But it's all right.
Speaker 3: So that doctor told you that, you know, the thumb
Speaker 3: would grow back, which was sort of news to us
Speaker 3: from a ground level. What what is the growth? What
Speaker 3: is the what direction does it seem to be going in?
Speaker 4: It's a little this is the this is the decent
Speaker 4: side of it. This is not too gross to see
Speaker 4: the other sides.
Speaker 2: And then can you hold up your other thumb just
Speaker 2: so people can see what it looks like a normal thumb?
Speaker 1: Check it out on YouTube. You can subscribe to the
Speaker 1: around the NFL.
Speaker 4: The other sides a little little little gooey and more heally,
Speaker 4: but this is just like you know a little gumby
Speaker 4: look to it, you know, gum be the I think some.
Speaker 2: People would say, just spin it in a positive way
Speaker 2: to pop more than poop. It looks kind of metal,
Speaker 2: like it looks like you're kind of a bad dude,
Speaker 2: and they don't need to know the story, the backstory.
Speaker 2: You could give your own backstory and I'll and I'll
Speaker 2: spend it even further more pop more, ballroom less bathroom.
Speaker 2: A guy like Brian Baldinger turned his wonky ass finger
Speaker 2: into a part of his personality and like a hook,
Speaker 2: like there's something here. I think Eric, if you, if
Speaker 2: you from a creative standpoint in terms of whether it's
Speaker 2: a thumbs up you give in every photo, or there's
Speaker 2: a way to take this and and and take these
Speaker 2: lemons and makes the wall.
Speaker 4: I have started sending out emojis instead of the actual
Speaker 4: thumbs up e mooji. I've created my own little screenshot
Speaker 4: of one with half of a thumb missing. So I
Speaker 4: have kind of cycling in a joke, a Rea cream
Speaker 4: joke that I don't know. We'll see how long goes.
Speaker 3: You're you're a masterful self brander. And I think all
Speaker 3: this happened for a reason.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, our previous producer, Grave Digger, sometimes his
Speaker 2: cell branding would get on Sessler's radar. Where are you
Speaker 2: okay with this mark where Eric is trying to diversify
Speaker 2: his portfolio.
Speaker 3: I'm I'm over any tension I felt over what Justin
Speaker 3: was aiming to do back then, and I don't feel
Speaker 3: that tension with Eric. I think that, you know, if anything,
Speaker 3: if you were to pick ten people out of a
Speaker 3: lineup to have their their thumbs half chopped off, there'd
Speaker 3: be a freak out level with a big chunk of
Speaker 3: those people. I thought Eric kind of took it in
Speaker 3: stride and was back at work the next day, and
Speaker 3: it's like, sort of is a heroic, you know, turn
Speaker 3: of events for Eric.
Speaker 1: I'll take that.
Speaker 3: Not annoying.
Speaker 2: I mean, miss two days, but like we're not counting.
Speaker 4: You know, I was half sentenced and whatever.
Speaker 2: Hey can you can you throw it up? It's great
Speaker 2: Eric that you're going on. I can't wait to see
Speaker 2: how that thing grows back. I want a science fiction film.
Speaker 2: All right, go ahead, Eric, let's see flash it up there.
Speaker 2: This pooped. This is poop. This is way worse than
Speaker 2: I even thought it would be. Gosh darn Teddy Bridgewater
Speaker 2: the Forever Number five. He played his first game is
Speaker 2: number fifty and it couldn't look any worse. It actually
Speaker 2: was worse than I thought.
Speaker 1: Look at this.
Speaker 6: Check out the YouTube show Greg get the plug in.
Speaker 6: He looks insane wearing number fifty as a quarterback. He
Speaker 6: took a snap from center and it looked like a
Speaker 6: fan had won a contest to play a snap in
Speaker 6: the NFL.
Speaker 2: I am horrified. But with the Lions have done here
Speaker 2: because a running back on the roster has his number five.
Speaker 2: It should have never gotten to this point. Teddy Bridgewater
Speaker 2: should never wear number fifty again. It should already be over,
Speaker 2: and yet it's not. The nightmare continued.
Speaker 1: I love it. I mean Teddy in that Honolulu blue
Speaker 1: with the two gloves in Honolulu blue and the fifty.
Speaker 1: We've never seen anything like it. Don't now, don't don't
Speaker 1: worry about his performance.
Speaker 2: The field not too hot.
Speaker 1: It's the preseason. It's the preseason.
Speaker 3: I did notice we did not discuss what Teddy actually
Speaker 3: did as a football player, which was now well, thankfully
Speaker 3: your hype from last week up.
Speaker 1: If if he was worried about Nate Sudfield, Nate Stutfeld,
Speaker 1: I think is thrown like four interceptions and like sixteen
Speaker 1: passes in the preseason, so.
Speaker 2: Sety five of eleven, thirty four yards in the first quarter. Fumble.
Speaker 2: Huh no, biggie. Okay, guys, you guys want to throw
Speaker 2: out a couple more, I'll let you. I'll let you
Speaker 2: get it out. Go ahead, anything else in your little notebooks.
Speaker 1: The one that I wanted to get make sure we
Speaker 1: got in there was was a poop because I think
Speaker 1: most people, uh most teams have gotten through this month
Speaker 1: pretty unscathed. I think the Dolphins have had maybe one
Speaker 1: of the worst months, maybe the worst month of any team.
Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey is what started it. I know that was
Speaker 1: technically July. Toront Armstead. It's like, Okay, he doesn't have
Speaker 1: a serious injury, but we're back on this cycle of
Speaker 1: is he going to play this week? Is he not
Speaker 1: entering another season like that? We don't know if he'll
Speaker 1: be ready for Week one. Devin Atching look has looked
Speaker 1: great in the preseason, suffered a shoulder injury. Don't know
Speaker 1: if that's serious. And then I saw an interesting report
Speaker 1: on si dot com that Ogba Manuel Agba, who they
Speaker 1: gave a lot of money, who just has not look
Speaker 1: comfortable standing up in vic Fangio's scheme in that maybe
Speaker 1: they might even look around if someone wanted to give
Speaker 1: a trade a draft pick for a Manuagua, which would
Speaker 1: be surprising. He's very highly paid pick. I just feel
Speaker 1: like it's been has been a great month.
Speaker 2: But did you see the jiu jitsu stuff?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true too. A lot of a lot of
Speaker 1: injuries in the secondary. I think they've signed five defensive
Speaker 1: backs this month, and they might have to sign a
Speaker 1: six just because they've had so many injuries.
Speaker 2: What's that Dolphins over under at Eric?
Speaker 1: I think it's nine and a half.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's nine and a half.
Speaker 2: It's like a skyscraper looking up at a skyscraper.
Speaker 3: I mean, you're loving, You're loving any drama attached to
Speaker 3: that team. We understand that. I love you, Dolphins fans.
Speaker 3: Let's have some fun this year. Let's get the rivalry
Speaker 3: back Jets Dolphins. Let's make it count, Let's make it matter.
Speaker 1: Wait, can I get one more? Can I give one more? Pop?
Speaker 2: Day?
Speaker 1: Almost forgot this is a big one. It's our friend
Speaker 1: Henry Hodson. He's popping. He's the father of the International
Speaker 1: Player Program. He's the only person you know he He's
Speaker 1: out in Africa, he's in Nigeria, he's all over Europe
Speaker 1: picking out these players. It's all because of Henry Hodson,
Speaker 1: you remember.
Speaker 2: Seasonally scouting them. I love it.
Speaker 1: I mean sometimes he goes to these things. Actually, oc Uman,
Speaker 1: you are truly does that, which is pretty crazy, but okay.
Speaker 1: Cjoy made national news last week. The guy on the
Speaker 1: Chargers who got a sack in his first ever football
Speaker 1: game had never even played a football game before. Nigerian
Speaker 1: defensive end David Agoha, who just started playing football a
Speaker 1: year ago, recorded a sack on Saturday, and then Texans
Speaker 1: defensive end Outadeo Oda Lee, also an IPP player, has
Speaker 1: two sacks this pre season. Out of the eight players
Speaker 1: selected this year, six are from Nigeria. A lot of
Speaker 1: them are pass rushers, defensive linemen, and they're they're starting
Speaker 1: to pop. And these are guys who didn't even play
Speaker 1: football last year. Nice little job by the IPP in
Speaker 1: the preseason.
Speaker 3: It was always very American that we just assumed that
Speaker 3: only people from our country could play football, when like
Speaker 3: the span of the human body and what it looks
Speaker 3: like all over the world suggests that there would be
Speaker 3: football players as there are in other sports. Beyond American borders.
Speaker 1: It's good.
Speaker 2: I don't like that take.
Speaker 1: Why.
Speaker 2: I don't know, it's just like pointing to it as
Speaker 2: American hubris. I don't get the vibe that we never
Speaker 2: thought anyone could play football anywhere. Oh whenever practice it
Speaker 2: it was like a sport that was being played. I mean,
Speaker 2: so that's what Henry does. That's what we do with
Speaker 2: our UK reach and the surrounding territories, even beyond, in
Speaker 2: places like Germany and Australia and Ireland, which is not
Speaker 2: part of the UK. We're just doing We're doing the job.
Speaker 2: We're carrying that water mark.
Speaker 3: I think we're a little late to the to the
Speaker 3: to the whole effort. I mean, we could have started
Speaker 3: this a while ago. I'm not trying to I'm not
Speaker 3: trying to go anti American with my take. I just
Speaker 3: think it's like we comfortably shrouded the sport for so
Speaker 3: long until people like Henry came around, until our show
Speaker 3: can him around, until television changed. Yeah, I can do
Speaker 3: that song and dance just like Greg. You know, props
Speaker 3: someone up from across the company will do a favor
Speaker 3: for me at some point later. I get how it works.
Speaker 1: It's dark friend, what's wrong with you?
Speaker 2: The best thing, Greg is I wouldn't say I came
Speaker 2: at Mark there, but I just disagree with his take.
Speaker 2: But then you get you get the knife right in
Speaker 2: the spinal column.
Speaker 1: I know, whenever Mark gets a little annoyed, it comes
Speaker 1: out how much he clearly does not like me.
Speaker 3: It's not true at all.
Speaker 2: Damn what was that, Jeff Albrick, Damn, that is not true.
Speaker 2: I have that undred dark Mark does like you. Greg.
Speaker 3: I just lash out, and you know, everyone gets a
Speaker 3: little bit of a helping.
Speaker 1: I know, but when we're not talking about some like
Speaker 1: VP in a quarter office that we're talking about Henry
Speaker 1: and we're talking about football, you know, come on.
Speaker 3: I love Henry. But that wasn't in question. He already
Speaker 3: knows I love him.
Speaker 2: He thought there is a sense Mark, and I don't
Speaker 2: totally disagree that you're doing a little back scratching here
Speaker 2: for Henry to get. I think maybe an extra, maybe
Speaker 2: a suite when it's time for us to go to
Speaker 2: London again. Maybe Oh weird, Greg got the upgrade at
Speaker 2: the hotel.
Speaker 1: Henry helps us out, as you guys know, regardless of
Speaker 1: what we say. I think these are cool stories regardless
Speaker 1: as well.
Speaker 2: Yes, the International Pathway Program. If you are an overseas listener,
Speaker 2: this is right up your alley and is a huge
Speaker 2: part of the NFL's attempts to grow the game. Do
Speaker 2: some research, check it out, look it up. It's cool,
Speaker 2: all right, that's it. Mark anything else.
Speaker 3: But the only thing I'd say is that I think
Speaker 3: it's the Giants were swatted down in the over under
Speaker 3: contest we did. I think in general, people look at
Speaker 3: what they did a year ago is slightly fraudulent, beyond
Speaker 3: like a great coaching job, and they're expecting them to
Speaker 3: come crashing back down to earth. They looked great on offense.
Speaker 3: Daniel Jones was totally on. Darren Waller was used over
Speaker 3: and over. I just think that the Darren Waller story
Speaker 3: has gone about as positively as you could.
Speaker 2: Hope.
Speaker 3: We'll see, you know, TVD on his health. But that
Speaker 3: would be a big upgrade for that offense. And they
Speaker 3: got about eight hundred wide receivers are sifting through. It
Speaker 3: reminds me just a little bit of when they you know,
Speaker 3: in Buffalo, the way they built that offense up quickly,
Speaker 3: that the Giants have attacked all resources and if you get,
Speaker 3: you know, the better version of Daniel Jones. I'm tired
Speaker 3: of everyone, you know, just talking about one New York team.
Speaker 3: There's another New York team that actually went to the
Speaker 3: playoffs a year ago.
Speaker 2: I think that's fair, and I think I kind of
Speaker 2: had it in my notes and was going to sit
Speaker 2: on it. And maybe that's part of the problem here, Sessler,
Speaker 2: because Daniel Jones signs that huge contract, and you know,
Speaker 2: it was met with some sideways glances and light mocking
Speaker 2: in general. And I think the general assumption here is
Speaker 2: that the Giants will I don't want to general assumption,
Speaker 2: but I think there's more than a few people that
Speaker 2: follow the sport closely that think the Giants may live
Speaker 2: to regret giving Jones that type of investment. But he
Speaker 2: did take a big leap under dable in one year
Speaker 2: in year one. Is if he does it in year two,
Speaker 2: it wouldn't be out of this realm. I don't think
Speaker 2: a lot of you don't hear a lot of people saying, yeah,
Speaker 2: Jones is gonna become a star this year. The Giants
Speaker 2: certainly think that's possible based on how they paid him,
Speaker 2: and maybe we should give him a little bit more
Speaker 2: of a chance to continue to progress will be if
Speaker 2: I'm a Giants fan, I'm I'm excited. I'm feeling good
Speaker 2: about it. I'm feeling the Darren Waller thing. As far
Speaker 2: as the summer has gone, it couldn't have gone better.
Speaker 2: Like the worst case scenarios, you trade for this guy
Speaker 2: who's been hurt constantly for two years and he pulls
Speaker 2: his hamstring in the first week of training camp and
Speaker 2: it becomes one of those waiting games. No, he's healthy,
Speaker 2: he's been effective. Okay, bring some juice to the g man.
Speaker 2: I like it. Who even? I have one other thing
Speaker 2: this year, that's the big announcement horn. But it's a
Speaker 2: big announcement tease coming up later this week. We're gonna
Speaker 2: share our plans around the NFL, expanding our universe into
Speaker 2: the NFL plus realm. Okay, it's gonna be fun. It's exciting.
Speaker 2: We're pumped about doing it. We successfully had conversations with
Speaker 2: shadowy League figures about giving us runway and man hours
Speaker 2: to make this fun and exciting, this new chapter for
Speaker 2: our show, and we're gonna tell you all about it
Speaker 2: on Thursday's show. How about that.
Speaker 1: It's a professional tease. We weren't doing that in year one.
Speaker 1: A veteran caster.
Speaker 2: Now, my final thought on preseason football. Tonight, the Washington
Speaker 2: DC area landover the Baltimore Ravens. They attempt to extend
Speaker 2: their godlike preseason winning streak to a god damn quarter
Speaker 2: hundred games. If they beat the Commanders twenty five consecutive
Speaker 2: wins in the preseason. It is no surprise that the
Speaker 2: game is on ESPN nationally televised, because it's that big.
Speaker 2: It matters. I just spent an hour telling you how
Speaker 2: the preseason doesn't matter. This matters. This is the Magio
Speaker 2: fifty six. This is the type of record that people
Speaker 2: will talk about in one hundred years. Can they get
Speaker 2: to twenty five? That's a big number, GREGI, it's.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm thinking about all day today. By
Speaker 1: the time people hear this, maybe they'll the result. Maybe
Speaker 1: we'll have an emergency pod if down goes Frasier, you know,
Speaker 1: if it happened, down goes Tyson. I guess in this
Speaker 1: case would be a better example. You know, if the
Speaker 1: upset happens, you guys gotta be ready. If the Commanders
Speaker 1: pull off the unthinkable.
Speaker 3: They won't lose the Ravens. If I'm them, though, I
Speaker 3: take this so seriously because look at Buffalo has already
Speaker 3: been asked the next second closest competitor. They're starting from
Speaker 3: scratch all over again. I start Lamar Jackson and every
Speaker 3: first stringer for four quarters and devastate break Washington's conscious.
Speaker 1: Just wait, I've got another streak that's almost as crazy
Speaker 1: their consciousness. You know when the last time the Minnesota
Speaker 1: Vikings have won a preseason game, Guys, I'll give you
Speaker 1: a hint. It wasn't this decade. They've lost eleven straight.
Speaker 1: You throw in the pandemic year. They have not won
Speaker 1: a preseason game this decade. That's a travesty. Let's get
Speaker 1: it going, Minnesota Vikings.
Speaker 2: That's a poop. I get that. But you can lose.
Speaker 2: It's easy to lose games essentially on purpose in the preseason.
Speaker 2: To win twenty four straight without really trying, that is remarkable.
Speaker 2: And I agree. The fact that it's on ESPN, the
Speaker 2: fact that it's so stupid, it's so dumb, and yet
Speaker 2: John Harbaugh does care, and it's a big round number
Speaker 2: twenty five. There is zero chance. I mean, I won't
Speaker 2: say anything else. If you want to those desert folk.
Speaker 2: There is zero chance that the Ravens lose this game.
Speaker 2: And don't lay any wood. You lay out, they will
Speaker 2: chop that wood. The Ravens are gonna roll over the Commanders,
Speaker 2: and if they don't on Wednesday, I will apologize to you,
Speaker 2: but Raven's gonna chop wood. I'll leave it at that. Indeed,
Speaker 2: let's get out of here. Oh shout out to El
Speaker 2: Segundo Little League. They are in the Little League World
Speaker 2: Series for the first time in town history. Little the
Speaker 2: Elsegundo is on fire about this and they are playing
Speaker 2: again today Monday. Hopefully they continue to roll. They beat
Speaker 2: you know who they beat up. They beat Ohio, those
Speaker 2: chumps where the Westling Brothers hail from.
Speaker 3: Well, and we were, you know, we're on a tech
Speaker 3: thread with the Westling brothers, and you know, you know,
Speaker 3: Nick Westling especially has taken shots left it right at
Speaker 3: California Culture and just described the whole thing as like
Speaker 3: a probably a bunch of soft kids that have never
Speaker 3: even seen, you know, a cloudy day. And then they go, well,
Speaker 3: what are you doing, Ohio? You just got taken out
Speaker 3: by Elsa Gundos Gundo.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you should know that Ohio got sent home.
Speaker 2: Their next game, they're out. They go owned double elimination.
Speaker 2: So uh, maybe the Westlings can watch the working class
Speaker 2: El Segundo little League grind their way and then to
Speaker 2: stick it to Rosenthal in company to take out Mother
Speaker 2: Japan in the finals. Let's do it. Let's show the world.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm rooting El Segundo. There, I'm with you.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, Walker's in like an adjacent little league,
Speaker 1: like let's go Soko. I'm a Socao guy after eleven years.
Speaker 2: There you go. I could guess who your wife's rooting
Speaker 2: for in such a game as well.
Speaker 1: I mean probably not. Elsegundo is Japan even they don't
Speaker 1: get a bye to the finals. They got to make
Speaker 1: it there too, but that would be good if something.
Speaker 2: Tells me they will. They're very good at baseball Japanese.
Speaker 2: That's it. Good show, good up, good talk. We'll be
Speaker 2: back Wednesday as a group Tuesday Hard Knocks podcast with
Speaker 2: me and Colleen Wolf recapping episode three, So be there
Speaker 2: for that and until then, eat the call.