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Speaker 3: Hey everyone, it's Captain Ron and each week are Beyond Contact.

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Speaker 3: We'll explore the latest news in ufology, discuss some of

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Speaker 3: the classic cases, and bring you the latest information from

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Speaker 3: the newest cases as we talk with the top experts.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to Beyond Contact. I am Captain Ron, and today

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Speaker 3: we have a very special guest, mister Josh Gates. Josh

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Speaker 3: is a television host and producer who has quite literally

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Speaker 3: been all over the world chasing down many of the

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Speaker 3: well known mysteries of our planet. He's been very real

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Speaker 3: about looking at even the biggest questions we have, including

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Speaker 3: are we alone? What happens when we die? All of

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Speaker 3: the big questions. He currently has three shows running on

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Speaker 3: the Discovery Channel, many of which have had many speakers

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Speaker 3: that we have at Contact in the Desert this year.

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Speaker 3: Those shows are Expedition Unknown, Expedition, Expedition Files, And on

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Speaker 3: top of that, he's going to be our keynote speaker

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Speaker 3: at this year's Contact in the Desert conference. He really

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Speaker 3: is all over the place. In fact, right now he's

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Speaker 3: taking the time to talk to us from Egypt, so

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Speaker 3: bear with us the connection. Hey, Josh, how's it going

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Speaker 3: over there in Egypt?

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Speaker 4: Well, it's hot, unsurprisingly and very sandy, but other than that,

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Speaker 4: it's great here. We've made a lot of shows in

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Speaker 4: Egypt over the years, and I'm always happy to come

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Speaker 4: back here. It is a place of incredible history and mystery.

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Speaker 4: So I love it here. It's right up my alley,

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Speaker 4: and thank you for having me. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Oh absolutely. Would you by chance be investigating the recent

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Speaker 3: under the Great Pyramids, because that's what we've been talking

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Speaker 4: Well sort of is the cryptic answer to that. We

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Speaker 4: But we didn't come here just for that story, which

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Speaker 4: We came here just to really understand the Great Pyramid

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Speaker 4: mystery than the Great Pyramid of Giza. It is like

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Speaker 4: I mean, one thing that is true about it, you

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Speaker 4: Across forty five hundre years. It stayed on bedrock there

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Speaker 4: It is definitely a master work of engineer, no question

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Speaker 4: And that's Mother, the Mother of them all.

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Speaker 3: That's right, it is, and it's one of the most

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, it's not to bring everything back to

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Speaker 3: not alone. I saw bodies, I saw ship. That to

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Speaker 4: be true. But with Roswell to your point, there are

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Speaker 4: come on, show me a whole bunch of people who

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Speaker 4: landing than to do it. Has always been my opinion.

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Speaker 3: We are back on Beyond Contact. I'm Captain Ron. We're

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Speaker 3: speaking with Josh Gates today. Josh, you certainly hit some

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Speaker 3: You investigated this years ago, you even met Colonel Holt,

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Speaker 4: Well, I kind of love this story, you know, It's

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Speaker 4: the Rendalsham Forest incident, and this is where these these

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Speaker 3: It's a whole bunch of people.

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Speaker 4: And it's a whole bunch of people who are not

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Speaker 4: We walked around the remains of what's there, went out

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Speaker 4: And it's so compelling. I mean, when you listen to that,

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Speaker 3: There for years. This guy wouldn't know that working in

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Speaker 4: On, that's right, But even when we replicated it and

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Now that part is trickier for me. At least,

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Speaker 3: No doubt about it. You know, another interesting case you

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Speaker 4: You're always more intrigued by an incident were multi mean

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Speaker 3: With children, which is much harder. They're not going to

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Speaker 3: Something happened, for sure. You know your team's seen some UFOs.

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Speaker 4: wasn't asking for this. I mean, I guess I kind

432
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Speaker 4: of was, but now now I'm just another person.

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Speaker 3: You were asking for it, but you didn't expect it

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Speaker 3: to camp.

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Speaker 4: I didn't expect it. And now one of these guys

436
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Speaker 4: sitting here telling you I've seen lights in the sky.

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Speaker 3: Incredible. We need to take a break here, Josh. When

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Speaker 3: very fun conversation with Josh Gates. We're talking about UFOs

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Speaker 3: and sightings and I want to ask you about this case,

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Speaker 3: the Travis Walton case, another one of the great interesting cases.

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Speaker 3: Travis has been a regular guest speaker at Contact in

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Speaker 3: the Desert. You've had the chance to meet him, talk

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Speaker 3: to him and look at this case. What is your

474
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Speaker 3: walk away from that case?

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Speaker 4: Well, let me let me start by saying that I

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Speaker 4: have the pleasure of knowing Travis. I haven't seen him

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Speaker 4: in a few years, but I've seen him both at

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Speaker 4: other events, and he's been a guest on a couple

479
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Speaker 4: of my shows a few times. So I've spent some

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Speaker 4: time with Travis. And I say this with no disrespect

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Speaker 4: to Travis, although it may sound a little disrespectful, but

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Speaker 4: I don't mean it with any disrespect. If you've spent

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Speaker 4: any time with Travis Walton at all, it is not

484
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Speaker 4: hard to imagine that something happened to Travis Walt and

485
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Speaker 4: I really don't mean that as a slight but Travis

486
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Speaker 4: does seem like someone moved by an event in their

487
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Speaker 4: life that affected them deeply. That's what I mean to

488
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Speaker 4: say by it. He He's not promotional, if that makes sense.

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Speaker 4: He's not some guy who's kind. I mean, obviously speaks

490
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Speaker 4: a lot about his story and he has obviously it

491
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Speaker 4: is part of his life and how he makes money.

492
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Speaker 4: But I just mean, he's not like this PT Barnum

493
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Speaker 4: guy trying to sell you on this thing. He just

494
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Speaker 4: very matter of factly is like, this is what happened

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Speaker 4: to me. And there's something about his i don't know,

496
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Speaker 4: sort of serene nature of how he talks about this

497
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Speaker 4: thing that is oddly compelling because you just kind of think, yeah,

498
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Speaker 4: like I think something happened to you. So look, I mean,

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Speaker 4: if you really want to kind of split the Travis

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Speaker 4: Walton the case down the middle, there are things that

501
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Speaker 4: about it that are clearly really compelling, right, Like a

502
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Speaker 4: group of guys up in the woods when the other

503
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 4: loggers come back, they're in a panic, they're terrified. Why

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Speaker 4: detector tests Travis lost time appearing days later. I mean,

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Speaker 4: all of it is compelling. I mean, it is kind

506
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Speaker 4: of a terrifying story. You can pick at some of

507
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 4: those things. There's certainly people who've made compelling cases why

508
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 4: they don't believe story. There is a financial component to it.

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00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,399
Speaker 4: I think that's true. I think these these guys and

510
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 4: I mean could could stand a benefit from it. I'm

511
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 4: not saying they did, but it certainly became a part

512
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Speaker 4: of their especially for Travis, a part of his business,

513
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Speaker 4: his life. They seem to have had some prior interest

514
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Speaker 4: in UFOs, right, I mean, there's some talk that they

515
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Speaker 4: had an interest in this beforehand, they'd been watching a

516
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Speaker 4: kind of a UFO movie. There's some criticism of how

517
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Speaker 4: well these polygraph tests were administered. There's some talk about

518
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Speaker 4: people recanting their story. I mean, you know, there's there,

519
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 4: there is stuff you can bitch out here, scratch out here, right.

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Speaker 4: I will just say, going off of the kind of

521
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Speaker 4: sniff test of like knowing Travis, I think something happened

522
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Speaker 4: to Travis. Now I don't know what happened to him.

523
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 4: I'm not I wasn't there, and there's not really any

524
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Speaker 4: physical evidence to show for it. So we have some

525
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Speaker 4: you know, there's only so much we really can say

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Speaker 4: without drifting into some real speculation. But to spend time

527
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Speaker 4: with Travis, I think on some level is to feel

528
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Speaker 4: like this guy had an authentic experience of some kind.

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Speaker 4: That that's my takeaway.

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Speaker 3: But I agree. You know, you also did a live

531
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Speaker 3: show a few years back that had other contact in

532
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Speaker 3: the desert. Guest Boy, A lot of our speakers have

533
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Speaker 3: been on your show. It's incredible. Nick Pope was on.

534
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Speaker 4: This show, George, Nick Pope is great.

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Speaker 3: On that show, you guys showed and heard testimony about

536
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Speaker 3: the Navy video such as the tic Tac video, the

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Speaker 3: gimbal video. What were your impressions of those videos?

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Speaker 4: The videos are insane? They I mean, look, if you're

539
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:30,640
Speaker 4: going to get interested in this story, if you're someone

540
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Speaker 4: who's like, I don't know about this, it's like, watch

541
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Speaker 4: these videos. I mean, the one I looked at down

542
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Speaker 4: in Chile with the trail coming off the back of

543
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Speaker 4: it is like, what the hell is this?

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Speaker 3: Right?

545
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 4: What the hell am I looking at? And you got

546
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Speaker 4: a lot of people now who are willing to step

547
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Speaker 4: forward about these UAPs and say things that are you know,

548
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Speaker 4: you got like when we did that. We did a

549
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Speaker 4: live show in twenty twenty one about this, which is

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Speaker 4: I think where we had George Napon and you know,

551
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Speaker 4: we talked to Bill Nelson, NASA administrator, talking about his

552
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 4: belief in this. We talked to Harry Reid, the late

553
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 4: Harry Reid, you know who who you know had had

554
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Speaker 4: really pushed for more transparency around this. We talked to

555
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Speaker 4: John Podesta, We talked to Senior Intelligence officer Bob Wallace.

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Speaker 4: I mean, and how about these pilots that have stepped forward,

557
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 4: these ACE pilots and military officials who are like, we

558
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Speaker 4: don't know what this is, so I think it is

559
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Speaker 4: it is hard not to be compelled by some of

560
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 4: the video evidence. It is also true that it is

561
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Speaker 4: hard to totally evaluate them because they exist often on

562
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Speaker 4: thermal cameras and you can't quite tell relative speed of

563
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Speaker 4: how fast the vehicle it's being shot from his traveling

564
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 4: and trajectories and all those things. But you know, what

565
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Speaker 4: are they they don't do?

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Speaker 3: You know that organization, the SCU, the Scientific Coalition for

567
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Speaker 3: UAP Studies. Those guys are a bunch of scientists. They

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Speaker 3: looked at these videos, the tic tac video. This is

569
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Speaker 3: what I found compelling because I'm I don't know anything,

570
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Speaker 3: I don't know what I'm looking and I see that

571
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Speaker 3: video right. But they have done like a six hundred

572
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Speaker 3: page report where they looked at every single frame of that.

573
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Speaker 3: They measured the distance, the wind speed, all of these things,

574
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Speaker 3: and they apparently have concluded that you know, the speed

575
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Speaker 3: that this thing traveled the TikTok I'm speaking of specifically,

576
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Speaker 3: And additionally, you know it's not just one tic tac.

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Speaker 3: A lot of people believe that there were a ton

578
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Speaker 3: of those It moved down and then there were a

579
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Speaker 3: whole group of them so you know, there's other elements

580
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Speaker 3: of this to make it even more fascinating. What could

581
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Speaker 3: this be?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and look, I think the answers to that question

583
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Speaker 4: are I mean, without really stretching our imaginations two fold,

584
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Speaker 4: it's either something other or it's some extremely classified asset

585
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Speaker 4: that we don't know about. And I certainly get there.

586
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Speaker 4: I could certainly get my head there.

587
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Speaker 3: People sometimes say that, you know, it couldn't be ours

588
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Speaker 3: because a human brain would go flying out the side

589
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Speaker 3: because it stops on a dime and it makes these turns,

590
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Speaker 3: and I feel like, if it's our tech, it's not manned.

591
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Speaker 3: I think that AI would be driving something like that,

592
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Speaker 3: and AI could perhaps make these maneuvers.

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Speaker 4: In my view, Yeah, I mean even this, you know,

594
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Speaker 4: what was it a couple summers ago with these these

595
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Speaker 4: balloons that showed up these you know that was like

596
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 4: wait a minute, that's still going on, you know. I

597
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 4: mean yeah, and you hear all the time. I spent

598
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 4: a lot of time in airplanes, a lot of time,

599
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 4: and I talk to pilots all the time and I

600
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 4: say that these guys you ever see and they go,

601
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 4: oh sure, yeah, we see stuff. We see stuff all

602
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Speaker 4: the time, and we don't know what it is, so,

603
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Speaker 4: I mean, I'm not saying that means it's aliens, but

604
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 4: I think the notion that we're not testing some pretty

605
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 4: bleeding edge tech out there in the remote corners of

606
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 4: the world is crazy. I mean, certainly there's you know,

607
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 4: some of these have to be attributed to military experimentation.

608
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 4: I think I've.

609
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Speaker 3: Heard astronauts say that they see things as well, and

610
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Speaker 3: I've also heard people like in the military pilots like

611
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 3: Ryan Graves says they see these objects all the time.

612
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Speaker 4: Yeah, so you know something is out there.

613
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Speaker 3: Would they test a tictec right around a Navy ship?

614
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Speaker 3: I don't know. Maybe something is out there, we don't

615
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 3: know what it is. Okay, So you've looked at all

616
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 3: these cases, You've investigated the big famous cases firsthand, and

617
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 3: I think you believe there's intelligent life in the universe.

618
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Speaker 3: Just at this point, years later, can you tell me

619
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Speaker 3: where you sit on the possibility of any of these

620
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 3: UFOs being let's say, of non human origin. Is it

621
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Speaker 3: even possible?

622
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Speaker 4: I felt almost anything's possible, right, I Mean, even the

623
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 4: most hardened skeptical scientists would probably say, you know, anything

624
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Speaker 4: is possible. We can't we can't totally discount what we

625
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 4: don't understand. I mean, look, I do believe there is

626
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 4: unquestionably other life in the universe. I think we are

627
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,959
Speaker 4: kind of in a moment now where it's hard to

628
00:32:56,040 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 4: not believe that. I mean, we are now detecting these

629
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Speaker 4: planets that are in this habitable goldilocks kind of zone.

630
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Speaker 4: We are realizing that they are not all that rare,

631
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Speaker 4: and in fact, I think we're going to continue to

632
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 4: realize that they're exceptionally common. That throughout the universe there

633
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 4: are innumerable planets sitting in this zone that may support life.

634
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 4: You know, we can't even really get clear yet on

635
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 4: whether there's life in our own solar system. There may

636
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 4: be microbial life on Mars and other places, and icy

637
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 4: moons and things like that. So I just think it's

638
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 4: improbable that there isn't life out there. This bigger question though,

639
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 4: of like has it made a trip and come to

640
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 4: see us? You know, I don't know. I mean there's

641
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 4: a part of me that feels skeptical about this kind

642
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:49,239
Speaker 4: of conspiratorial take that they're kind of lurking around, and

643
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Speaker 4: I mean I get it. It's the sort of star

644
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Speaker 4: trek first contact of it all, and they're here, but

645
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 4: we're not ready or they you know whatever. But you know,

646
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Speaker 4: the amount of technology required to cross the universe to

647
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Speaker 4: come and find us is so beyond anything that we

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Speaker 4: can do that we are really ants on a hill

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Speaker 4: at this point compared to the tech top, to the

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Speaker 4: technological advancement you'd have to have to make that trip.

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Speaker 4: And so I just don't know that I have seen

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Speaker 4: enough to say, yeah, they're here, they're watching, they're hanging out.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 4: But I also would say I would not be so

656
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Speaker 4: bold as to say it's impossible or that all of

657
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Speaker 4: these videos show something terrestrial. I just don't know, you know.

658
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Speaker 4: I mean, my gut tells me if you're making that

659
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Speaker 4: trip and you're coming all the way here, you're probably

660
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Speaker 4: gonna say hi. I mean, you know, I don't know

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662
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Speaker 4: of it all. But what do I know. Maybe they're

663
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Speaker 3: We are back on Beyond Contact. I'm Captain Ron. We're

696
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 3: speaking with Indiana Jones today, which is very fun and exciting. Josh,

697
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 3: do you have ever get follow ups to these investigations

698
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 3: you've done, like lab tests or something. Sometimes I feel

699
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 3: like I watch the show and it's like you're so

700
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 3: close to a discovery, and I wonder if maybe a

701
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,479
Speaker 3: year later, somebody calls you and, oh, yeah, we did

702
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 3: find that piece or we did get the lab results.

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Speaker 3: Does that happen?

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Speaker 4: Yeah. We have very few shows for Expedition Unknown that

705
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 4: we've done follow ups on. We've done a handful, and man,

706
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 4: I would love to go back to a lot of

707
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:29,479
Speaker 4: these shows. You know, often we're at archaeological sites and

708
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 4: a year or two, three years later those sites are

709
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Speaker 4: transformed and the amount of knowledge that that archaeologists have

710
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 4: been able to gain in that time is incredible. There

711
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 4: are places that we've you know, we did a show

712
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 4: in the in the Jungles of Guatemala where we worked

713
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 4: with light ar technology laser scanning technology to discover an

714
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 4: entire pyramid complex that had not been seen in hundreds

715
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 4: of years. It was one of the most staggering things

716
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 4: we've done on the show. And six months later we

717
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 4: went back and they had already cut off the vines

718
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Speaker 4: from one face of the pyramid, and then I went

719
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Speaker 4: back another you know, six months later and they had

720
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Speaker 4: started excavating in front of it. And you know, I

721
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:05,840
Speaker 4: mean this is like time laps, you know, photography. So

722
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Speaker 4: there's lots of stories that we'd love to do that with,

723
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Speaker 4: and we get asked that a fair amount about you know,

724
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Speaker 4: can you go back and do more on story X

725
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Speaker 4: or whatever.

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Speaker 3: I wonder if people like called you back and said, hey,

727
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 3: guess what we did this, or we do they do that?

728
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Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure, We've got great you know, a lot

729
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 4: of the people that we work with we'll also work

730
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Speaker 4: with again and again. I mean a lot of the

731
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Speaker 4: folks that I'm here in Egypt right now are working

732
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Speaker 4: with other folks who've been on the show several times before.

733
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Speaker 4: And so yeah, we were always you know, wanting to

734
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Speaker 4: go back and do follow ups on these shows, and

735
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Speaker 4: I think we'll see a bit more of that in

736
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Speaker 4: the seasons ahead, I hope for you.

737
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Speaker 3: Do you think there's going to be another show you

738
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Speaker 3: guys may take another look at the UFO e T question.

739
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Speaker 3: You mentioned it earlier, the very large telescope. We have

740
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Speaker 3: a lot of new technologies coming on from AI to

741
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 3: these new giant telescopes. Aviy Lobe was telling us about these.

742
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Speaker 3: There's like three different telescopes that are coming online in

743
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Speaker 3: the next like twelve months that are going to really

744
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 3: leaps and bounds expand our abilities. Do you think you

745
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Speaker 3: guys would maybe continue to pursue something like that.

746
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Speaker 4: I would love to. I mean, we had a chance

747
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,720
Speaker 4: to visit the Aricibo telescope before it, you know, collapsed

748
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 4: out in the jungles there and and the VLT tells

749
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 4: go about Natacama and went to NASA. To your point,

750
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 4: there is so much emerging technology in this space, and

751
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 4: James Web Telescope is doing incredible work, and so we've

752
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:24,720
Speaker 4: got great contacts at NASA. I would love to continue

753
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 4: working with them and other institutions. Look, this is a

754
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 4: story that people obviously have a vested interest in but

755
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 4: they're also fascinated by and so that makes it prime

756
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 4: territory for us. And I'm fascinated by it, you know.

757
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 4: And I, by the way, on a kind of side

758
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 4: note programming note here, I'm a huge nerd for science fiction.

759
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 4: I grew up glued to Star Trek and and to

760
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 4: Star Wars, both of them really, and so I've always

761
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 4: looked up at the sky and been fascinated by all

762
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 4: of that. So yeah, are you kidding? I'd love to

763
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Speaker 4: go make more shows along those lines. Why not? In fact,

764
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Speaker 4: you know, we're on Expedition Files. We're doing a piece

765
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Speaker 4: on and uh Betty and Barney Hill, We're do you

766
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 4: know also that so we're we're continuing to on some

767
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 4: of the other shows and an Expedition next a lot

768
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Speaker 4: dealing with with with UFO stories. So I'd love to

769
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Speaker 4: do more of it. An Expedition Une for sure.

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Speaker 3: Awesome. Do you do you have a favorite case.

771
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Speaker 4: For UFOs or just in general?

772
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Speaker 3: No, just in general that you've done. You've been doing

773
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Speaker 3: this for twenty years now, plus what what what's your favorite? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I had a handful that I love. I mean, if

775
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 4: I had, like Jeff Bezos money. I would be out

776
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 4: in the Pacific looking for Amelia Earhart. I love Amelia Earhart,

777
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 4: I always have. I think she's incredible, and I think

778
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 4: that what's left of that, you know, Lockheed Electure, if

779
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 4: any of it's left, I would love to see that

780
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 4: hanging in the Air and Space Museum. You know what

781
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 4: an amazing thing that would be to find that. I

782
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 4: love the Maya. I've always really been fascinated by the Maya.

783
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 4: Their their culture is just really mysterious and very intriguing.

784
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 4: And there are still big discoveries to be made in

785
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 4: the Maya world, for sure. You know, we've done some

786
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:05,760
Speaker 4: stuff down on Guatemala. There are entire cities and temple

787
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 4: complexes still to be found that are just waiting out

788
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 4: in the jungles. So I love that stuff. In terms

789
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 4: of kind of you know, more kind of modern stories,

790
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:18,880
Speaker 4: we did a show in the d'atlav Pass incident in

791
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:23,319
Speaker 4: Siberia about the skiers hikers that died very mysteriously out there.

792
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 4: That was a really intriguing story and one of those

793
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 4: black holes that also once you fall down you just

794
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 4: kind of there's no end in sight. It's just everything

795
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,280
Speaker 4: you learn makes it more mysterious. I've always been intrigued

796
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 4: by that story. You know, it's a long list. This

797
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 4: stuff is all fascinating to me, so I agree.

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Speaker 3: I'm glad that was your answer, a long list, because

799
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Speaker 3: all of these cases that we've discussed today are fascinating

800
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Speaker 3: to me. And I know anything I don't know, I'm

801
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 3: still continue to be curious about. That's what's interesting stuff

802
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 3: we know. I don't need to hear that again, you

803
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 3: know exactly. So what's going on these days on Discovery Channel?

804
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 3: I know that you have. I've heard that they've toyed

805
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 3: with the idea of changing it to the Josh Gates Channel.

806
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 3: I don't know if there's anything truth to that or not.

807
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 3: But you've got three shows going at the same time.

808
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:08,320
Speaker 3: Do you sleep, sir.

809
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:12,760
Speaker 4: Not really. I mean I'm out here in Egypt right now.

810
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 4: My schedule is busy. I mean, you know, I people

811
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 4: often come up to me and they say, man, you

812
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 4: have the best job in the world, and I want

813
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 4: to argue with that. It is such a privilege to

814
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,879
Speaker 4: be able to not just travel for work, but to

815
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 4: investigate these stories and to meet some of the incredible

816
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 4: people that I get to hang out with who who

817
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 4: are real just you know, incredible experts. But it does have,

818
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:39,800
Speaker 4: like all things, there's a cost, and the cost for

819
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 4: me is it's just a lot of time on the road,

820
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:46,720
Speaker 4: you know. I this year it'll be maybe one hundred

821
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 4: and sixty days on the road. Some years it's two

822
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 4: hundred to two hundred and fifty days abroad. I mean

823
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 4: it's correctly, man, these are tough numbers, yeah, exactly. And

824
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 4: you know how all those guys end up, yeah, you know, brutalize.

825
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 4: So you know it's but it's also like kind of

826
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Speaker 4: what I know, like when I come home now, if

827
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 4: I'm home for two weeks, it's it's spooky, like I'll

828
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 4: do my laundry and I'll put it back in the suitcase,

829
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 4: like the drawers don't get a work out of it,

830
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:14,319
Speaker 4: you know. It's it's like this is my suitcase, this

831
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:16,879
Speaker 4: is where my clothes live, you know. So I am

832
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 4: kind of a creature of a habit now with all

833
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 4: of it. So I love to travel. I love the work.

834
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 4: It's really exciting. It's of course exhausting sometimes, but I'm

835
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 4: not complaining. It's great. And so we have all new

836
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 4: episodes of Expedition un known that are going to be

837
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 4: coming back this later late spring, summer, probably summer, and

838
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 4: you know, another dozen or more shows about really fascinating

839
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 4: mysteries around the world. Will be talking about the Great Pyramid,

840
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:45,359
Speaker 4: as we mentioned, We'll be looking for lost World War

841
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 4: Two planes, vanished submarine. We're going to be talking about

842
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:54,479
Speaker 4: Oh boy, Buffalo Bill Cody, a character who I kind

843
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 4: of knew about but really dug into and he's like

844
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 4: the most interesting man in the world. We're going to

845
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 4: be talking about Hitler's secret America bomber program at the

846
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:06,360
Speaker 4: end of World War Two. You know, all sorts of

847
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 4: fascinating stuff. So, like I said, like, if your job

848
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 4: is to work around these kind of cases and these

849
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 4: kind of stories, it's hard not to be interested. I mean,

850
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:17,759
Speaker 4: I still feel like I did twenty years ago when

851
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:19,720
Speaker 4: I started this, like a kid in a candy store.

852
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 4: It's like, these are just cool stories, and you know

853
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 4: this this is the world that you're in too. It's like,

854
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 4: these are fastening stories. How can you help but be interested?

855
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 3: Exactly? But there's a difference. As I told my mom,

856
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 3: I've got my mom watching your show and she loves it.

857
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 3: I said, the difference is I sit around with a

858
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 3: microphone in my underwear talking about these things. This guy

859
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 3: goes out and actually does it, and crawls through caves

860
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Speaker 3: and walks through mud and goes in the holes and

861
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 3: rides snowmobiles when it's thirty below zero and all this crazinesly.

862
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Speaker 4: Just the evidence that you're smarter than me.

863
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Speaker 3: Hey, have you ever thought about the taking a look

864
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Speaker 3: at ball beck.

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Speaker 4: Lefl ball back Levin on Shore. I don't know much

866
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Speaker 4: about it, though.

867
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Speaker 3: There are these stones there that are the biggest in

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Speaker 3: the world. I think they weigh eighteen hundred tons.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I have heard of this, and again a story

870
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Speaker 4: we've never done. It's so funny. When we started all

871
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:18,320
Speaker 4: of this, like I said, almost twenty years ago, is

872
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:20,839
Speaker 4: when we started making Destination Truth. You know, the very

873
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 4: first thing we thought was, man, if this thing takes

874
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Speaker 4: off of we actually find success in this, are we

875
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Speaker 4: going to run out of stories?

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Speaker 3: You know?

877
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 4: Are there really that many mysteries in the world? Yep,

878
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 4: it is a bottomless hole. So there's another one that

879
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 4: like a place I've not really spent any time, a

880
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 4: story we've not done added to the list. It goes

881
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Speaker 4: up on the corkboard.

882
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Speaker 3: If you've run out of stories, all you got to

883
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Speaker 3: do is come back to Contact in the desert, spend

884
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:45,359
Speaker 3: one day there. You'll have sixty stories. When you leave there,

885
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 3: you go big time. I mean, that's the truth.

886
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Speaker 4: I'm so excited about the event, by the way. I'm

887
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,320
Speaker 4: excited to come out there and hang out and meet everybody.

888
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 4: I'm really looking forward to it.

889
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:57,319
Speaker 3: I cannot get over how many of our speakers have

890
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Speaker 3: been on your show that you've met, from Jimmy Churr

891
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 3: to Ben Hansen, Nick Pope, Jeremy Corbel, James Fox. All

892
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Speaker 3: these guys are there and they've been on your show

893
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Speaker 3: as well. It's going to be a big reunion. It's

894
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Speaker 3: gonna be fun. Yeah, I think so too. I'm really

895
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Speaker 3: looking forward to it. We're out of time here, brother,

896
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 3: but thanks a lot for taking the time. I know

897
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 3: you're busy there in Egypt, and we really appreciate that.

898
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Speaker 3: We're all looking forward to your keynote address and your

899
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Speaker 3: appearance at Contact.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's going to be great. We're going to talk

901
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 4: about some of the mysteries here on expedition and known

902
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 4: I'm excited to give people an exclusive peek at some

903
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:32,359
Speaker 4: of the stuff we're doing that nobody else has seen yet,

904
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 4: and also to talk more about some of these other

905
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Speaker 4: stories that we've investigated in the past around UFOs, which

906
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Speaker 4: I think will be really interesting.

907
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 3: Very exciting. You can find Josh on any of those

908
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 3: shows anything hen in Discovery Channel. You can find me

909
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 3: on Twitter and Instagram at CD Underscore Captain Ron. Stay

910
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 3: connected by checking out Contact in the Desert dot com.

911
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Speaker 3: Stay open minded and rational as we explore the unknown

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Speaker 3: right here on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast am

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Speaker 3: Paranormal Podcast Network.

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