WEBVTT - With crunch time here, is Tarik Skubal officially back to himself? 0:00:09.560 --> 0:00:12.920 And welcome in to another episode of Tiger Territory, part 0:00:12.920 --> 0:00:15.520 of the baut Territory nor Detroit Tigers podcast. I'm Kierens 0:00:15.560 --> 0:00:18.919 Deckley with me as always a man who is never 0:00:18.960 --> 0:00:20.799 gonna exaggerate his fish stories. 0:00:21.160 --> 0:00:22.239 He is Cody Stavenhagen. 0:00:22.239 --> 0:00:25.400 How are we doing doing all right? Yeah, here we are. 0:00:25.480 --> 0:00:27.400 We are back from the All Star break, although I'm 0:00:27.440 --> 0:00:32.000 still halfway on vacation right now. We're watching what I 0:00:32.080 --> 0:00:34.880 believe to be the most interesting team in baseball in 0:00:34.920 --> 0:00:36.680 the next two weeks. I mean, okay, we all know 0:00:36.720 --> 0:00:40.120 the Schogl storyline. I just don't think there's a more consequential, 0:00:40.280 --> 0:00:43.920 more interesting team right now than the Detroit Tigers. 0:00:45.720 --> 0:00:49.360 Yeah, you know, like and I think I think interesting 0:00:49.400 --> 0:00:51.920 is the right way to phrase over Recording this shortly 0:00:51.960 --> 0:00:54.560 after the Tigers drop a three to two Sunday game 0:00:54.600 --> 0:00:56.480 to the Angels, but of course won the series with 0:00:56.520 --> 0:00:59.240 a two to one win and a seven zero win 0:00:59.360 --> 0:01:03.560 on Friday Saturday Saturday, Respectfully. I like the term interesting 0:01:03.600 --> 0:01:08.360 because I was watching some national broadcasts and commentators and 0:01:08.400 --> 0:01:10.440 I can't remember who it was, but they were like, 0:01:10.480 --> 0:01:12.200 you know, the Tigers are on the verge of like 0:01:12.240 --> 0:01:15.040 making things really interesting, and I was like on the verge, 0:01:15.560 --> 0:01:17.679 like I think we're there. I think we're past the verge. 0:01:18.400 --> 0:01:21.679 We are past the verge of being interesting here. And 0:01:21.880 --> 0:01:25.040 it just feels like, as we said before, every game 0:01:25.200 --> 0:01:26.160 just feels big. 0:01:26.200 --> 0:01:28.800 And we can even start with Friday. 0:01:28.800 --> 0:01:31.759 Like with the you know, to have nothing going on offense, 0:01:31.800 --> 0:01:34.559 you're down one nothing and you know, you got Yates 0:01:34.600 --> 0:01:38.280 on the mound and you have how you level people 0:01:38.319 --> 0:01:40.200 come up in a big spot with a two run, 0:01:40.280 --> 0:01:43.039 two out double there in the ninth and then Montero 0:01:43.200 --> 0:01:46.520 with what was it three plus innings to close out 0:01:46.560 --> 0:01:48.680 the game and make things a little interesting with a 0:01:48.680 --> 0:01:51.320 couple of torque great plays, McGonagall with a nice play. 0:01:51.440 --> 0:01:53.800 Like it was just like all these things happening and 0:01:53.800 --> 0:01:55.880 it felt like really big coming out of the All 0:01:55.920 --> 0:01:58.840 Star Game, All Star Break, I should say seven nothing 0:01:58.880 --> 0:02:01.320 dominating performance. We'll talk about school wel here in a second. 0:02:01.400 --> 0:02:03.919 Then you know, a couple solo shots, not really anything 0:02:03.920 --> 0:02:07.360 going offensively. I heard Dan Dickerson on the broadcast today 0:02:07.440 --> 0:02:09.280 kind of be like, well, you know, Angels pitching kind 0:02:09.320 --> 0:02:11.720 of controlled the Tigers for two out of these three games. 0:02:12.200 --> 0:02:15.359 And that's true. That's true. 0:02:15.400 --> 0:02:19.320 But the difference is that that statement has been said 0:02:19.360 --> 0:02:22.680 a lot this year and it didn't result in a 0:02:22.720 --> 0:02:26.119 Tigers series win. So the question is, as we kind 0:02:26.120 --> 0:02:28.519 of move forward and we, you know, kind of barrel 0:02:28.600 --> 0:02:32.680 toward the trade deadline, is this actually like a different team? 0:02:33.639 --> 0:02:36.280 And I think this weekend showed us at least like 0:02:36.880 --> 0:02:40.320 the drop off is just not gonna happen immediately. 0:02:40.600 --> 0:02:40.919 Now. 0:02:42.000 --> 0:02:44.320 Could there be some middling things that happened between now 0:02:44.360 --> 0:02:45.880 and the trade that my shirt, but there's all gonna 0:02:45.919 --> 0:02:49.400 be huge dropout drop off. I believe these Tigers are 0:02:49.520 --> 0:02:52.440 who they are displaying themselves to be, and that is 0:02:52.520 --> 0:02:56.399 a good, potentially really good team if you just look 0:02:56.440 --> 0:02:59.040 at all the metrics from June one. But what does 0:02:59.040 --> 0:03:00.600 that mean? I don't now, We'll. 0:03:00.480 --> 0:03:03.359 See, right, I Mean, that's the hard part deciphering what 0:03:03.400 --> 0:03:05.280 does it actually mean in terms of. 0:03:05.240 --> 0:03:07.440 Are they buying? Are they selling? Are they are they 0:03:07.480 --> 0:03:08.560 doing something in between? 0:03:09.320 --> 0:03:11.399 It's just gonna be hard to answer it until we're 0:03:11.480 --> 0:03:15.320 kind of there and they play out that schedule. What 0:03:15.440 --> 0:03:17.840 I would say based on this weekend, and maybe Angel's 0:03:17.840 --> 0:03:19.760 pitching did control them a little bit. But the thing 0:03:19.800 --> 0:03:22.480 about an ugly win is it counts just the same 0:03:22.520 --> 0:03:24.760 as the as a pretty win and one of the 0:03:24.840 --> 0:03:27.200 big reasons we are here at this juncture in the 0:03:27.240 --> 0:03:30.760 Tigers season. They haven't had that many ugly wins. A 0:03:30.760 --> 0:03:33.600 lot of those ugly games were losses. You know, they 0:03:33.600 --> 0:03:36.880 don't have that many close wins. We know they're lackluster 0:03:37.040 --> 0:03:39.680 record and one run games and extra inning games and 0:03:39.920 --> 0:03:42.000 so many things just haven't gone their way. So to 0:03:42.000 --> 0:03:43.960 get a big hit from someone like how You Lee 0:03:43.960 --> 0:03:46.360 on Friday, I. 0:03:46.320 --> 0:03:47.600 Actually view that as huge. 0:03:47.720 --> 0:03:49.920 You're not going to play your best every single night 0:03:49.960 --> 0:03:51.560 in the major leagues, and if you can find a 0:03:51.560 --> 0:03:54.000 way to leave with the W next to your name 0:03:54.040 --> 0:03:56.480 and the standings, that is still wildly productive. When it's 0:03:56.520 --> 0:04:00.160 someone like how You Lee contributing all the better. I've 0:04:00.200 --> 0:04:03.040 talked a lot about him, and like he's still an interesting, 0:04:03.200 --> 0:04:06.240 kind of strange player to evaluate. But for all the 0:04:06.280 --> 0:04:08.960 faults of like the Tigers havn't gotten contributions from this 0:04:09.000 --> 0:04:10.560 guy and this guy and this guy and this guy 0:04:10.560 --> 0:04:12.400 and this guy, how You Lee has come up to 0:04:12.400 --> 0:04:15.120 the big leagues and he has given you something. And 0:04:15.440 --> 0:04:17.840 Friday night he helped you win. He helped you win 0:04:17.920 --> 0:04:20.360 an important ball game, because they're all important ball games 0:04:20.400 --> 0:04:23.840 at this point, and so to me, there's actually a 0:04:23.839 --> 0:04:28.160 ton of value in ugly wins and small contributions from 0:04:28.200 --> 0:04:28.760 players like. 0:04:28.720 --> 0:04:34.760 That, Yeah, and look like they like this. 0:04:34.760 --> 0:04:38.360 This weekend did have like every variety, and you can 0:04:38.400 --> 0:04:42.599 even include just the fact that, like for as I 0:04:42.600 --> 0:04:46.360 would say, book ended as the offense was on Sunday, 0:04:46.920 --> 0:04:48.880 you basically start out the game with a home run 0:04:48.920 --> 0:04:51.000 and essentially end the game with a home run, obviously 0:04:51.000 --> 0:04:53.640 in a loss. So like, the power numbers are going 0:04:53.680 --> 0:04:55.800 to are going to continue to look good for this team. 0:04:55.880 --> 0:04:58.240 As you're projecting out you look at the run differential 0:04:58.279 --> 0:05:00.320 coming into today, it was like, what plus seventy four 0:05:00.720 --> 0:05:03.800 since uh since June, since June first? Uh So obviously 0:05:03.839 --> 0:05:07.440 just a tad lower now, But like that screams to me, 0:05:07.600 --> 0:05:10.440 like take this team seriously, and even like, you know, 0:05:10.680 --> 0:05:12.600 give Lie some love, but we also got to give 0:05:12.839 --> 0:05:15.479 talk about guys hard to evaluate. We could give Torq 0:05:15.560 --> 0:05:18.400 a little bit of run here. You know, he's second 0:05:18.400 --> 0:05:20.960 on the team in home runs right now, Cody second 0:05:21.000 --> 0:05:26.839 off the team behind Dingler, you know, and he's got power, 0:05:26.960 --> 0:05:30.400 but he also has a powerful force of people who 0:05:30.480 --> 0:05:32.799 want to talk down on him a lot. 0:05:33.279 --> 0:05:33.520 Uh. 0:05:33.600 --> 0:05:35.960 And and this was kind of a weekend where like 0:05:36.120 --> 0:05:38.440 I'm not gonna say he saved the game on Saturday, 0:05:38.480 --> 0:05:41.360 but you had the defense on Friday night and then 0:05:41.400 --> 0:05:44.680 the two home runs on Saturday, and like had he 0:05:44.720 --> 0:05:47.080 done anything today? We've been talking about like this being 0:05:47.080 --> 0:05:50.039 towards weekend and it probably still was, but these are 0:05:50.120 --> 0:05:52.800 the kinds of examples of like how this. 0:05:52.800 --> 0:05:54.280 Team can do it. 0:05:54.520 --> 0:05:57.800 Like we we know why they haven't been able to 0:05:57.839 --> 0:06:00.600 do it thus far, but the example of how this 0:06:00.720 --> 0:06:04.280 team can do it is yu LEI like coming up 0:06:04.279 --> 0:06:05.760 in a big spot and by the way, like you know, 0:06:05.760 --> 0:06:07.800 I had a nice base hit today, you know as well. 0:06:08.000 --> 0:06:12.400 And then special Torklsen kind of finding his upside, uh 0:06:12.839 --> 0:06:15.000 you know in in in a in a short period 0:06:15.040 --> 0:06:16.839 of time, which we know he's capable of, but we 0:06:16.920 --> 0:06:19.760 just don't see it obviously enough, hence the the pushback. 0:06:19.800 --> 0:06:21.000 And then of course it started pitching. 0:06:21.000 --> 0:06:23.800 Melton was excellent on Friday after a shaky start, and 0:06:23.920 --> 0:06:27.719 uh and schoolbl was great too. Let's uh, let's let's 0:06:27.760 --> 0:06:29.000 go to school right now, Cody. 0:06:29.720 --> 0:06:30.599 What the people want. 0:06:33.160 --> 0:06:35.039 Is schoobl back? Is he back? 0:06:35.720 --> 0:06:38.160 But why do I say that, Uh Okay, Well, he 0:06:38.200 --> 0:06:41.000 went seven endings, he had nine k's left, five hits, 0:06:41.160 --> 0:06:45.279 zero earned runs, he had zero walks. Fun fact, this 0:06:45.480 --> 0:06:48.040 was the first start for schoobl in which he gave 0:06:48.120 --> 0:06:52.359 up zero earned runs since opening Day. I was in 0:06:52.400 --> 0:06:54.800 another country when that happened, all right, Like that felt 0:06:54.920 --> 0:06:55.440 feels like. 0:06:55.400 --> 0:06:57.839 A long time ago. Uh. 0:06:57.960 --> 0:07:01.000 And and the fact that the fact that we've been 0:07:01.000 --> 0:07:04.160 having these conversations about him going deep into games and 0:07:04.279 --> 0:07:06.440 you know, and and the pitch counts and like all 0:07:06.520 --> 0:07:10.880 these things, all that really evaporated into the Southern California 0:07:11.000 --> 0:07:15.800 sun on Saturday, And like it just goes to show you, 0:07:15.920 --> 0:07:22.800 like there's never a real, like grounded reason to be 0:07:22.840 --> 0:07:25.680 worried about Trek Scooble. You can critique, you can you know, 0:07:26.080 --> 0:07:28.080 you can say like there are reasons that you know 0:07:28.160 --> 0:07:30.120 he needs to be better at this, blah blah blah, 0:07:30.160 --> 0:07:33.720 but you can't be worried because that is that was 0:07:33.760 --> 0:07:35.880 on an outlandish thing, but it was sort of like 0:07:35.920 --> 0:07:39.000 a reminder of exactly what he can do. And of 0:07:39.000 --> 0:07:41.160 course he's in the news for other reasons. But the 0:07:41.480 --> 0:07:43.440 bottom line is he won you a series. You give 0:07:43.520 --> 0:07:45.440 him a four spot there in the first ending and 0:07:45.480 --> 0:07:47.240 it's and it's game over from there, and he was 0:07:47.320 --> 0:07:49.200 and he was fired up to have that too, So 0:07:49.240 --> 0:07:49.960 that was good to see. 0:07:50.200 --> 0:07:53.400 Yeah, I'm oddly somewhat in the minority here, but I 0:07:53.400 --> 0:07:57.120 don't think Trek Scooble ever really left like he came 0:07:57.360 --> 0:08:01.240 back off the injured list and his stuff was Schooble like. 0:08:01.400 --> 0:08:03.760 The stuff was never not there. There was maybe a 0:08:03.800 --> 0:08:07.160 little bit of rust or the execution wasn't quite what 0:08:07.200 --> 0:08:08.800 you would want it to be from a guy who's 0:08:08.800 --> 0:08:11.480 won back to Backsille Young Awards. And that's the whole 0:08:11.560 --> 0:08:15.840 reason school trade stuff aside is a fascinating topic. It's 0:08:15.880 --> 0:08:19.360 because the bar for him is through the roof. So 0:08:19.520 --> 0:08:22.080 five innings, one run, it's not good enough. When you're 0:08:22.120 --> 0:08:24.720 Terek schoobl it's getting him critiqued. He can't go deep 0:08:24.760 --> 0:08:27.520 into games. He can't do this. The command's not the 0:08:27.560 --> 0:08:31.760 same whatever. This guy at maybe not quite his sharpest, 0:08:32.360 --> 0:08:35.200 was going five, allowing one run, giving you a chance 0:08:35.240 --> 0:08:39.800 to win, finishing with a respectable line. And I do 0:08:39.840 --> 0:08:43.320 think there was some importance to see that vintage Schooble 0:08:43.400 --> 0:08:46.080 outing right, And I always thought that it was coming 0:08:46.160 --> 0:08:49.080 and sure enough it was. We just saw a size 0:08:49.120 --> 0:08:52.800 school outing, shutting down the angels, really commanding the game, 0:08:52.880 --> 0:08:55.960 being efficient with his pitch count, which was important. I'm 0:08:55.960 --> 0:08:58.400 not saying that those things like don't matter, but I 0:08:58.520 --> 0:08:59.679 never really lost. 0:08:59.440 --> 0:09:03.960 Any faith that that's who Trek Schouble was. For the 0:09:03.960 --> 0:09:04.400 most part. 0:09:04.400 --> 0:09:06.840 The quality of his pitching, the quality of his stuff 0:09:07.400 --> 0:09:09.280 was there. It was just kind of a matter of 0:09:09.360 --> 0:09:13.800 those kind of those marginal things that can swing your line, 0:09:15.360 --> 0:09:18.080 you know, and leaving people feeling a certain type of 0:09:18.080 --> 0:09:20.080 way out of an outing. Those things went in his favor. 0:09:20.320 --> 0:09:23.720 His execution was much closer to flawless, like he he 0:09:23.800 --> 0:09:26.600 gave himself some koshion pitching with the lead probably didn't hurt. 0:09:26.960 --> 0:09:29.320 He was able to be kind of aggressive bully people 0:09:29.360 --> 0:09:31.760 a little more like we're used to seeing Schooble bully people. 0:09:31.800 --> 0:09:35.920 The fastball pounded inside. Things like that. So really encouraging 0:09:36.000 --> 0:09:40.120 for anyone who did have any doubts, Like I think, 0:09:40.160 --> 0:09:43.040 we just saw the reason I never really had any doubts. 0:09:44.800 --> 0:09:48.720 And again, and obligatory congratulations to everybody who only wants 0:09:48.760 --> 0:09:51.560 to see Trek Schooble have good outings to increase his 0:09:51.600 --> 0:09:54.000 trade value. So you know, you guys had a good Saturday, 0:09:54.000 --> 0:09:58.480 So congratulations. Speaking of you know, in the news, John 0:09:58.520 --> 0:10:03.040 Hayman it out there today and I'm paraphrasing, so keep 0:10:03.040 --> 0:10:06.520 that in mind. But basically, Tigers are gonna looks like 0:10:06.520 --> 0:10:08.600 they're gonna hold on to Trek Schoogl through the end 0:10:08.640 --> 0:10:11.480 of the year and then after that it's unlikely they 0:10:11.559 --> 0:10:14.240 will resign him. So this is like the you know, 0:10:14.320 --> 0:10:16.640 the last run of Schoobl's time with the Tigers is 0:10:16.720 --> 0:10:19.800 essentially the report from Hayman, uh, which I just have 0:10:19.960 --> 0:10:24.120 like one reaction to that, which is cool, I guess. 0:10:23.960 --> 0:10:25.199 Like like like what what what? 0:10:25.440 --> 0:10:28.079 Like I just don't feel like really feel the need 0:10:28.200 --> 0:10:30.880 to to like take that seriously. I know, like I'm 0:10:30.880 --> 0:10:33.720 taking it seriously by addressing it on here, but like 0:10:34.160 --> 0:10:37.480 I look at it similarly to like if we were 0:10:37.720 --> 0:10:39.880 out and about as single guys and like, hey, why 0:10:39.920 --> 0:10:41.840 don't you go ask that girl out? And it's like, well, 0:10:41.880 --> 0:10:45.200 she's probably gonna say no. It's like all right, well 0:10:45.640 --> 0:10:47.720 she probably is gonna say no, But like what are 0:10:47.720 --> 0:10:48.280 you supposed to do? 0:10:48.360 --> 0:10:50.520 Like not play the game? Like let's play the game? 0:10:50.679 --> 0:10:52.200 Like like like what, okay? 0:10:52.200 --> 0:10:54.560 Cool, He's he doesn't want to resign, there's little chance 0:10:54.640 --> 0:10:56.120 or wherever his exact phrasing is. 0:10:56.720 --> 0:11:00.240 All right, Uh, I guess we'll we just want we'll 0:11:00.400 --> 0:11:00.679 just be. 0:11:00.640 --> 0:11:04.160 Paralyzed by this and and and just and not be 0:11:04.200 --> 0:11:07.120 able to move on and or even try, you know 0:11:07.160 --> 0:11:07.559 what I mean. 0:11:07.640 --> 0:11:10.320 So, uh, that's that's my take on that. 0:11:10.480 --> 0:11:13.440 I think pretty much anything that comes out regarding Trek 0:11:13.520 --> 0:11:17.240 Schouble comes out for a reason, as I often say, 0:11:17.360 --> 0:11:20.280 and I will just kind of leave it at that 0:11:20.600 --> 0:11:23.000 and with that, oh, go ahead. 0:11:22.760 --> 0:11:25.920 Well, Kieran, I think that's the most under talked about 0:11:26.040 --> 0:11:30.080 part of this whole fiasco is are the Tigers ever 0:11:30.160 --> 0:11:32.800 going to put a real offer on the table? Let's 0:11:32.800 --> 0:11:36.360 say they have a bad series in Chicago, say they 0:11:36.360 --> 0:11:39.200 come back home, it doesn't go great. Suddenly they start 0:11:39.240 --> 0:11:42.400 to look more like sellers. Do you present trek Schouble 0:11:42.440 --> 0:11:45.120 with an offer before you trade him? Or even if 0:11:45.120 --> 0:11:47.959 they make a run and they don't trade him, are 0:11:47.960 --> 0:11:50.400 you are you making this guy a real offer while 0:11:50.400 --> 0:11:53.640 you still have exclusive negotiating rights Because we all know, 0:11:53.920 --> 0:11:56.840 I think a lot of us know the con there 0:11:57.000 --> 0:11:59.240 is like, well, you probably just set the floor for 0:11:59.320 --> 0:12:02.960 Scott Bors to negotiate against at the same time, what 0:12:03.000 --> 0:12:05.959 the Washington Nationals did before they traded on Soda. They 0:12:06.000 --> 0:12:08.600 got their best offer and they handed it to them. 0:12:08.600 --> 0:12:10.560 They wrote it down on paper. They said, we want 0:12:10.600 --> 0:12:14.520 you to see the money we are offering you. And 0:12:14.720 --> 0:12:17.640 Sodo saw it said thanks, but no thanks, and they said, okay, 0:12:17.800 --> 0:12:20.440 we now really have no option but to trade you. 0:12:21.120 --> 0:12:24.280 Will the Tigers do that? That's something that hasn't really 0:12:24.360 --> 0:12:27.880 been discussed a lot. And you're Ayman is probably right. 0:12:27.920 --> 0:12:29.880 We've been saying this for a long time. Turkhy was 0:12:30.520 --> 0:12:34.480 highly unlikely to re sign with the Tigers, certainly unlikely 0:12:34.559 --> 0:12:38.480 to resign without at least dipping the toes in the 0:12:38.520 --> 0:12:42.000 free agent waters. So does that mean you just don't try? 0:12:42.400 --> 0:12:44.960 And I'm not quite sure. I'm not quite sure what 0:12:45.000 --> 0:12:47.120 I would do if I were in Scott Harrison's shoes. 0:12:47.120 --> 0:12:49.679 But that is maybe something that we should be talking 0:12:49.679 --> 0:12:53.320 about a little bit more over the next couple of weeks. 0:12:53.679 --> 0:12:56.880 And we'll have ample opportunities for that. And speaking of 0:12:56.920 --> 0:13:01.040 the trade deadline, we're going to introduce a chance of 0:13:01.080 --> 0:13:05.080 Tech School getting traded every episode on TI your Territory 0:13:05.160 --> 0:13:07.440 leading up to the trade deadline. And I have it 0:13:07.559 --> 0:13:10.600 right now, Cody at thirteen and a half percent, Why 0:13:10.679 --> 0:13:13.080 is it thirteen and a half percent? Because I said so, 0:13:13.520 --> 0:13:15.920 that's why. So thirteen and a half percent chance Tark 0:13:15.960 --> 0:13:17.920 School gets traded at the trade. 0:13:17.840 --> 0:13:18.680 I will go over. 0:13:19.480 --> 0:13:23.960 I think it's still fifty five to sixty percent. 0:13:24.559 --> 0:13:25.000 That's easy. 0:13:25.080 --> 0:13:28.280 Whoo spicy. 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K twelve dot com slash foul. 0:14:39.680 --> 0:14:41.160 All right, coming back here, Cody. 0:14:42.920 --> 0:14:47.720 Part of the Tigers' discussion points is that you know 0:14:47.840 --> 0:14:53.680 some help is coming, presumably, and the most probably immediate 0:14:54.320 --> 0:14:57.520 part of that would be Labor Torres, who started doing 0:14:57.600 --> 0:15:01.119 rehab stints over the weekend, had a home run on Saturday, 0:15:01.280 --> 0:15:05.880 down and playing for the Lakeland Flying Tigers. Not exactly 0:15:05.920 --> 0:15:08.560 sure what his timeline is, but the bottom line is 0:15:08.600 --> 0:15:11.400 once he is good to go, he will be on 0:15:11.480 --> 0:15:14.400 the major lester and he will be starting at second 0:15:14.440 --> 0:15:17.320 base or you know sometimes dhing. He will be in 0:15:17.360 --> 0:15:20.840 the lineup every day. So then that becomes you mentioned 0:15:20.840 --> 0:15:24.360 how you lee earlier, just to kind of reiterate the 0:15:24.360 --> 0:15:27.360 stats since June one, it's bat in three twenty. This 0:15:27.480 --> 0:15:30.040 is Lee and he's got eight thirty nine ops. Now 0:15:30.160 --> 0:15:32.960 that was entering entering Sunday, all right, so just you know, 0:15:33.000 --> 0:15:35.560 obviously a little bit different after after Sunday's games. 0:15:35.600 --> 0:15:37.040 But the but the bottom line. 0:15:36.920 --> 0:15:40.960 Is, like you have a solid, workable player in Lee 0:15:41.360 --> 0:15:45.600 playing second base. But once Tours is back, like that's Tours' spot, 0:15:45.640 --> 0:15:47.560 He's gonna be at the top of the lineup. Everything 0:15:47.560 --> 0:15:50.440 he provides at bats, you know, uh, you know, the 0:15:50.560 --> 0:15:53.560 working pitches, like all that stuff, Like he's gonna be there. 0:15:53.720 --> 0:15:56.840 So then the question becomes what do the Tigers do? 0:15:57.240 --> 0:15:59.200 And I like the lead. 0:15:59.280 --> 0:16:03.120 Is Lee the new Ontaro and and that's given lead 0:16:03.160 --> 0:16:05.360 too much credit. But my point is is that you 0:16:05.480 --> 0:16:07.360 got cut. This is a guy that you kind of 0:16:07.360 --> 0:16:09.480 a horse that has to kind of be ridden every day. 0:16:09.920 --> 0:16:11.640 And so like is it better for him to be 0:16:12.080 --> 0:16:14.360 like playing every day in Toledo and then just like 0:16:14.440 --> 0:16:16.320 come up or to kind of be in a supplemental 0:16:16.400 --> 0:16:18.680 role in the major leagues. These are the things that 0:16:18.920 --> 0:16:21.520 like the the higher ups are gonna have to determine. 0:16:21.800 --> 0:16:22.400 Yeah, give it. 0:16:22.440 --> 0:16:24.520 Given the state of the Tigers, I don't know how 0:16:24.520 --> 0:16:28.160 you can really justify sending how you lead down when 0:16:28.200 --> 0:16:31.000 tourres is back, obviously his playing time is going to decline, 0:16:31.080 --> 0:16:33.720 but Labor is a guy who needs a day off 0:16:33.720 --> 0:16:35.520 every now and then, so there will be some reps 0:16:35.560 --> 0:16:37.560 at second. You can still mix them in at third. 0:16:38.040 --> 0:16:39.920 You can bring him off the bench as a right 0:16:39.960 --> 0:16:44.040 handed bat you haven't used been Maljerry. 0:16:43.560 --> 0:16:44.600 A ton a ton. 0:16:46.480 --> 0:16:50.000 The roster is a little more balanced, you know, with 0:16:50.320 --> 0:16:53.320 an outfielder versus adding another infielder. But I would tend 0:16:53.320 --> 0:16:55.680 to think mal Jerry is probably the guy to go down. 0:16:56.080 --> 0:16:58.520 I also find it very interesting Matt Vierling appeared at 0:16:58.640 --> 0:17:01.000 third base in this game, Karen, for the first time 0:17:01.000 --> 0:17:02.760 all year. I don't know exactly what that means, but 0:17:02.800 --> 0:17:04.440 maybe it's kind of like, all right, you've got to 0:17:04.520 --> 0:17:08.840 start again, like some dudes are coming back. First, it's Glabor. 0:17:08.880 --> 0:17:12.480 Eventually it's going to be hobby. You have to start justifying, 0:17:12.720 --> 0:17:15.040 you know, your spot on this roster and how we're 0:17:15.080 --> 0:17:16.639 going to use you and how you're going to get 0:17:16.680 --> 0:17:19.919 playing time. So I kind of wonder like what the 0:17:20.000 --> 0:17:23.000 underlying factor there was with Vierling. I'm not really saying 0:17:23.000 --> 0:17:25.639 he's a candidate to get booted from the roster. But 0:17:26.400 --> 0:17:29.000 the decisions get harder when you have someone like how 0:17:29.040 --> 0:17:33.680 you Lee playing playing good baseball. I think it would 0:17:33.680 --> 0:17:36.840 be a mistake to send him down. I also think 0:17:37.000 --> 0:17:39.440 if he plays less, like will he be effective? 0:17:39.440 --> 0:17:43.480 What does that look like? Who knows? But we've all 0:17:43.520 --> 0:17:44.439 been seeing it, you know. 0:17:44.680 --> 0:17:49.359 And again I'm not just from all the scouts I 0:17:49.400 --> 0:17:51.480 know who don't have the highest opinion of how you 0:17:51.560 --> 0:17:54.960 lease like long term future. It's hard to deny that 0:17:55.000 --> 0:17:56.880 the kid is playing really good baseball and if you're 0:17:56.880 --> 0:17:58.960 trying to win every game, I want to keep this 0:17:59.040 --> 0:18:00.000 guy around right now. 0:18:03.400 --> 0:18:06.280 Yeah, well, but we've had this this same kind of 0:18:06.320 --> 0:18:11.240 conversation repeatedly this year about a variety of dudes. And uh, 0:18:11.280 --> 0:18:14.359 I'll even throw and Manuel de Haesussen there a little 0:18:14.359 --> 0:18:16.600 bit cody with like with the way, you know, with 0:18:16.720 --> 0:18:19.800 him being sent down because he had the option, Like 0:18:20.119 --> 0:18:23.080 there there is So that's another kind of thing too 0:18:23.119 --> 0:18:26.520 that just kind of like monitor is that like the 0:18:26.880 --> 0:18:29.720 front office has a lot of times kind of played 0:18:29.760 --> 0:18:34.359 it safe, and so like if you're gonna so there 0:18:34.359 --> 0:18:36.320 are some kind of tough decisions, a lot of time 0:18:36.400 --> 0:18:37.760 they go the safer route. 0:18:38.320 --> 0:18:39.800 Does that change here? 0:18:39.920 --> 0:18:42.440 The next couple of weeks as sort of like the 0:18:42.480 --> 0:18:44.359 real direction of the team is going to be the 0:18:44.440 --> 0:18:48.040 termin right, So that's that That's something that just kind 0:18:48.040 --> 0:18:51.840 of like. 0:18:51.160 --> 0:18:55.120 Position playing probably different in terms of bullpeny. You're really 0:18:55.640 --> 0:18:58.439 trying to optimize matchups and this and that, and you 0:18:58.480 --> 0:19:01.600 know there's gonna be a ton of shuffling anyway, there's 0:19:01.680 --> 0:19:04.280 position players for the most part, just have to have 0:19:04.359 --> 0:19:07.280 dudes who can perform. Although I guess the safe thing 0:19:07.480 --> 0:19:11.440 was keeping Jamai Jones around until into July, which they did, 0:19:11.600 --> 0:19:14.480 so maybe maybe it's not that much different in their minds. 0:19:14.560 --> 0:19:14.920 Not sure. 0:19:15.480 --> 0:19:17.520 Shout out Jamai by the way, at a home run 0:19:17.520 --> 0:19:18.480 at first with. 0:19:18.440 --> 0:19:21.639 The believe can you believe the Scott Harris reshion let 0:19:21.680 --> 0:19:22.720 Jamie Jones. 0:19:22.440 --> 0:19:26.200