WEBVTT - Living With Robots: Worst Roomates Ever 0:00:03.800 --> 0:00:06.680 Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind from how Stuff 0:00:06.720 --> 0:00:13.760 Works dot com. Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind. 0:00:13.760 --> 0:00:16.239 My name is Robert Lamb and I'm Julie Douglas. Julie, 0:00:16.280 --> 0:00:18.079 you live in a robot free household, don't you? I 0:00:18.079 --> 0:00:20.799 mean relatively as far as I know. I mean, you 0:00:20.880 --> 0:00:23.919 probably have robots more or less in the form of 0:00:24.000 --> 0:00:26.040 many of your electronic implements, but you do not have 0:00:26.280 --> 0:00:28.560 an actual robot to say, comes out and back into 0:00:28.560 --> 0:00:31.680 the floor. Do you not have a roomba? Um, I 0:00:31.720 --> 0:00:35.839 do not have a pleo or or any of the 0:00:35.840 --> 0:00:40.040 other gadgets I have to say, Uh, I have a 0:00:40.159 --> 0:00:45.560 roomba who lives in our household and it's uh current currently. Unfortunately, 0:00:46.000 --> 0:00:49.800 his battery is weird, so he's his his Well, yeah, 0:00:49.840 --> 0:00:52.599 I think I kind of picture him as the as 0:00:52.720 --> 0:00:56.840 the cat's brother, so they don't really see brother does 0:00:57.040 --> 0:01:01.360 the room. I have a name, um, technically Maximilian because 0:01:01.360 --> 0:01:04.160 he's red, so named after the red robot and black hole. 0:01:04.720 --> 0:01:07.959 But but yeah, so he's a part of the household, 0:01:08.000 --> 0:01:11.760 especially when he's moving around. UM, so I can't help 0:01:11.760 --> 0:01:15.960 but think of him throughout the research for this particular podcast, 0:01:16.360 --> 0:01:18.959 in which we talk about the idea of the robot household, 0:01:19.319 --> 0:01:23.360 which is already, like I said, a reality to a 0:01:23.440 --> 0:01:26.080 certain extent in my household, and will be a reality 0:01:26.080 --> 0:01:28.520 in your household. Just give it time, they will come. Well, 0:01:28.560 --> 0:01:32.680 I think about this in our golden age ages, Um, 0:01:32.920 --> 0:01:35.399 you know, in our sunset years, probably all of us, 0:01:35.720 --> 0:01:39.360 I'll of you out there listening, will be uh ensconsin 0:01:39.480 --> 0:01:41.880 some sort of robotic household. I mean, I'm not talking 0:01:41.880 --> 0:01:44.840 about like Rosie the robot or anything, but um, it's 0:01:44.880 --> 0:01:49.440 a it's a fairly likely that, you know, as the 0:01:49.520 --> 0:01:52.840 aging population comes to fruition, at least here in the 0:01:52.960 --> 0:01:56.520 United States, that will have some robot helpers. I was 0:01:56.600 --> 0:01:58.240 I was kind of hoping that when I'm in my 0:01:58.240 --> 0:02:00.560 my golden years, I will be encased in a robot, 0:02:01.240 --> 0:02:04.840 like a big armored you know, maybe and we'll talk 0:02:04.880 --> 0:02:07.240 about that all right, like a power suit like a 0:02:07.320 --> 0:02:10.720 RoboCup to kind of a thing. And this could be 0:02:10.840 --> 0:02:13.080 kind of scary. I mean, could think about some wiley 0:02:13.160 --> 0:02:17.600 senior citizens marauding the streets and their exoskeletons. So so, 0:02:17.680 --> 0:02:21.799 why why why are we discussing the why? I mean, 0:02:21.800 --> 0:02:24.120 obviously there's a robot in my health because they don't 0:02:24.160 --> 0:02:27.240 like vacuuming the floors, and if the robot can do it, 0:02:27.840 --> 0:02:31.880 that's great. You can't talk about robots without talking about Japan, right, Okay, 0:02:31.919 --> 0:02:36.440 because we already know that Japan has has embraced robot technology, 0:02:36.840 --> 0:02:39.520 and certainly for many reasons, but one of them is 0:02:39.560 --> 0:02:43.440 because of their aging population. Right. The Japanese have some 0:02:43.480 --> 0:02:47.480 of the longest life expectancies and with a large aging 0:02:47.520 --> 0:02:53.880 population about forty thousand centenarians okay, about forty people over 0:02:53.919 --> 0:02:55.720 the age of or at one hundred or over the 0:02:55.760 --> 0:02:58.320 age of one hundred, that's a lot um and fewer 0:02:58.400 --> 0:03:00.320 children to take care of them due to the line 0:03:00.320 --> 0:03:04.000 in post World War two birthrates, uh, we have they 0:03:04.000 --> 0:03:06.840 have a serious problem. In fact, we're talking about the 0:03:06.960 --> 0:03:11.480 year fifty five, about four out of every ten Japanese 0:03:11.480 --> 0:03:14.800 will be classed as elderly. And who's gonna look after them? 0:03:14.840 --> 0:03:16.360 There are not going to be as many young people 0:03:16.440 --> 0:03:20.880 around two help grandma across the street. So let's see 0:03:20.880 --> 0:03:22.480 if we can get a robot in there, right, And 0:03:22.480 --> 0:03:24.920 and not just top across the street, but just everyday 0:03:24.919 --> 0:03:28.720 stuff that an elderly person might need help with. To 0:03:28.800 --> 0:03:31.000 what extent, Can we get a robot in there to 0:03:31.320 --> 0:03:34.800 improve their quality of life and uh and and make 0:03:34.920 --> 0:03:38.640 life possible in some cases. Yeah, it's a very real solution. UM. 0:03:38.680 --> 0:03:41.400 In addition, each month there are eight hundred and seventy 0:03:41.440 --> 0:03:44.240 thousand more people around the world who fall into the 0:03:44.320 --> 0:03:48.320 over age sixty five group. So it's not just Japan, 0:03:49.040 --> 0:03:51.280 but certainly Japan is is a good lens to look 0:03:51.600 --> 0:03:56.080 through this. UM. Now, we do have some current technology 0:03:56.480 --> 0:03:59.040 that we're using. We've talked about this before. Cody the 0:03:59.160 --> 0:04:02.480 sponge bath robot for the elderly. Yes, and of course 0:04:02.760 --> 0:04:06.080 anytime someone says Cody the sponge bath robot, you know 0:04:06.120 --> 0:04:09.320 you can't help but laugh. But they're actually very helpful. 0:04:09.360 --> 0:04:12.560 They can open doors and drawers and cabinets using equilibrium 0:04:12.600 --> 0:04:17.640 point controllers. Um. There's a baby seal Pero, super cute. UM. 0:04:17.680 --> 0:04:19.760 You know, it moves, it's a little head, it's a 0:04:19.800 --> 0:04:24.440 little baby seal. It's really helpful UM for Alzheimer's patients. Okay, 0:04:24.480 --> 0:04:27.240 kids like having Like you go to an old folks 0:04:27.240 --> 0:04:29.080 home and there will be a dog or a cat 0:04:29.200 --> 0:04:31.880 that helps the the individuals there. You know, they can 0:04:31.880 --> 0:04:34.280 connect with it. Not right, they bond with it. They 0:04:34.279 --> 0:04:37.279 began to talk to it, tell it things that might 0:04:37.360 --> 0:04:39.839 otherwise be sort of locked up in their heads. Right. 0:04:40.040 --> 0:04:43.040 It's also really effective for kids with autism because and 0:04:43.320 --> 0:04:46.919 actually a lot of robots and machines like even like 0:04:47.000 --> 0:04:52.040 the iPad are really effective with kids with autism because it's, uh, 0:04:52.360 --> 0:04:54.640 it's something they can predict, right, it's the same behavior 0:04:54.680 --> 0:04:57.160 over and over again. I wonder what Cody, the SpongeBot, 0:04:57.279 --> 0:05:00.719 the sponge SpongeBob SquarePants. That's what I want to say. Yeah, 0:05:00.760 --> 0:05:02.840 I wonder what Cody looks like, because I'm picturing a 0:05:03.000 --> 0:05:06.960 robotic cowboy that it gives sponge baths and it's like, hello, partner, 0:05:08.200 --> 0:05:10.920 can you lift your leg? That kind of thing that's 0:05:10.920 --> 0:05:14.040 so creepy. Yeah, for the badge and everything I know, 0:05:14.080 --> 0:05:17.640 And then I'm thinking about the ten gallon hat and everything. Um, 0:05:17.760 --> 0:05:20.080 that's probably some other type of robot for some other 0:05:20.200 --> 0:05:23.480 fetish thing. Um, there's ties. Oh, the physical therapy bot 0:05:24.000 --> 0:05:26.720 with twenty six joints in its body. It's a it's 0:05:26.760 --> 0:05:31.919 a mechanical exercise instructor and and then robotic legs in 0:05:31.960 --> 0:05:35.480 the form of an exoskeleton. This really does exist. It's 0:05:35.520 --> 0:05:39.679 technology from Suberdine, and they're developing robotic legs that elderly 0:05:39.800 --> 0:05:42.559 or injured people can wear for physical therapy to regain 0:05:42.680 --> 0:05:45.360 muscle mass and help them to walk again and terrorize 0:05:45.440 --> 0:05:48.680 the city, right yeah, and and and terrorize all the 0:05:48.720 --> 0:05:52.719 whipper snappers out there. I's already using hospitals across Japan, 0:05:52.760 --> 0:05:55.479 of course. And it also monitors signals from the brain 0:05:56.200 --> 0:05:58.839 and moves the robots limbs as the wearer tries to 0:05:58.920 --> 0:06:02.320 move their own way. So this is really good technology 0:06:02.400 --> 0:06:04.680 that's that's in place and is only going to be 0:06:04.720 --> 0:06:08.080 improved upon. So it's just a question of when. Yeah, 0:06:08.160 --> 0:06:11.279 and and certainly if you you know, you put robotics 0:06:11.320 --> 0:06:15.160 into your your your Google news feed, you're you're just 0:06:15.200 --> 0:06:18.320 We're just constantly bombarded with these new technologies and new possibilities. 0:06:18.440 --> 0:06:20.279 But at the at the end of the day, we 0:06:20.400 --> 0:06:22.520 have to think about, all right, how are we going 0:06:22.600 --> 0:06:24.479 to live with these things? Let's talk about the practical 0:06:24.560 --> 0:06:26.680 as because because we can develope we can dream up 0:06:26.720 --> 0:06:29.279 ideas and we can develop the tech all day. But 0:06:29.760 --> 0:06:31.920 what's it gonna be like to share a household with 0:06:32.160 --> 0:06:35.080 eighteen different robots? Right? What? What? Okay? Rosie the robots 0:06:35.080 --> 0:06:37.400 seems like an awesome idea, but you know, does she 0:06:37.520 --> 0:06:41.239 have her own little annoying behaviors? Well, she was pretty 0:06:41.240 --> 0:06:44.640 annoying on the TV show just the one, right, yes, 0:06:44.960 --> 0:06:46.600 I mean the first thing is the voice, right. So, 0:06:46.600 --> 0:06:48.440 but this is a big question, like there's all these 0:06:48.440 --> 0:06:50.720 different things people have to get used to living with 0:06:50.800 --> 0:06:53.320 robots on a day to day basis, And of course 0:06:53.480 --> 0:06:57.039 there is an entity who has come up with a 0:06:57.080 --> 0:06:59.200 way of how to measure that. And the entity is 0:06:59.200 --> 0:07:03.400 called LEAR, which stands for Living with Robots and Interactive Computers, 0:07:03.440 --> 0:07:07.000 and it's a European funded research project exploring how we'll 0:07:07.000 --> 0:07:12.200 live with digital and interactive companions. Um they say. Throughout 0:07:12.240 --> 0:07:14.720 the project, we're exploring on how to design digital and 0:07:14.760 --> 0:07:18.119 interactive companions who can develop and read emotions and act 0:07:18.280 --> 0:07:23.800 cross platform sounds kind of doesn't exactly sound like very cuddly, like, hey, 0:07:23.840 --> 0:07:25.840 this is gonna be the best roommate ever. Now, this 0:07:25.880 --> 0:07:29.240 is the idea that you might have several different mechanical 0:07:29.360 --> 0:07:32.640 forms that do tasks around the house, but one mind 0:07:33.080 --> 0:07:36.880 one AI like one how that that lives in your 0:07:36.880 --> 0:07:38.760 house and it will be like I hope it's not 0:07:38.840 --> 0:07:41.720 how well, you know that's that's the how kind of 0:07:41.760 --> 0:07:45.080 sums up the fear. How it's kind of like this Frankenstein, um, 0:07:45.200 --> 0:07:49.000 Frankstein's monster creation that they didn't embody so much about 0:07:49.000 --> 0:07:53.040 what we fear about AI and as we'll discuss. I mean, 0:07:53.080 --> 0:07:55.440 that's a part of the concerns moving forward with the 0:07:55.480 --> 0:07:58.400 idea of sharing a house with a robot. Can we 0:07:58.440 --> 0:08:01.040 trust it? Well? And I mean they're not just looking 0:08:01.080 --> 0:08:03.160 at this is okay, here you have a robot. It's 0:08:03.160 --> 0:08:05.200 probably gonna last for a year. No, they're talking about 0:08:05.320 --> 0:08:08.880 long term relationships here, okay, because you're probably gonna be 0:08:08.960 --> 0:08:11.120 hanging out with that robot for I don't know, twenty years. 0:08:11.360 --> 0:08:15.600 It may be the longest relationship of your life. Yeah, um, okay. 0:08:15.640 --> 0:08:19.440 So they came up with they, along with other partners, 0:08:19.480 --> 0:08:22.080 this this thing called five Weeks in the Robot House. 0:08:22.320 --> 0:08:26.640 Oh yes, this is the University of Hertfordshire, I believe. Yeah, 0:08:27.480 --> 0:08:31.400 Adapted Systems Research Group, School of Computer Science. This was 0:08:31.760 --> 0:08:36.400 a really fascinating study. Um, because again I couldn't help 0:08:36.440 --> 0:08:39.199 but think of the roomba that lives in my house 0:08:40.240 --> 0:08:43.240 with every example and uh and so so basically what 0:08:43.240 --> 0:08:45.679 they did they set out to do like five different scenarios, 0:08:46.679 --> 0:08:50.960 brought in people non computer science people. Yeah, actually I 0:08:50.960 --> 0:08:54.720 think it was university students and staff members, and they 0:08:54.720 --> 0:08:58.040 were all to to hang out with these robots on 0:08:58.120 --> 0:09:00.840 it in the road in the robot house. Not to 0:09:00.840 --> 0:09:04.920 be confused with robot house the fraternity from Mars University 0:09:04.960 --> 0:09:07.880 in futurama exactly that, not that one. And in fact, 0:09:07.960 --> 0:09:11.640 let me just read this little uh explanation about the 0:09:11.679 --> 0:09:14.120 paper that's published on this, because I really feel like 0:09:14.200 --> 0:09:16.960 it sounds like a great reality TV treatment. It says 0:09:17.000 --> 0:09:21.240 this paper presents five exploratory trials investigating scenario is likely 0:09:21.280 --> 0:09:24.800 to occur when a personal robot shares a home with 0:09:24.960 --> 0:09:28.240 a person, Right, doesn't that seem like the perfect sort 0:09:28.280 --> 0:09:30.679 of I think it would be great pilot. Yeah, I 0:09:30.760 --> 0:09:33.440 think we could host it. Okay, let's do it, all 0:09:33.480 --> 0:09:36.520 right tilse you heard that, But so so let's look 0:09:36.520 --> 0:09:40.480 at the different scenarios. Um. The the first one that 0:09:40.559 --> 0:09:42.160 we have a right up here on is the hot 0:09:42.200 --> 0:09:47.400 and cold game trial, which is basically the person is 0:09:47.400 --> 0:09:49.880 trying to guide the robot to do something or find 0:09:49.960 --> 0:09:51.840 something in the house and they're doing the whole all right, 0:09:51.880 --> 0:09:53.640 you're a little bit hot. Now you're a little cold. 0:09:54.040 --> 0:09:56.200 You're a little hot, you're a little bit cold. But 0:09:56.400 --> 0:09:59.160 the the way that they were manipulating the test subjects 0:09:59.200 --> 0:10:02.840 in this was that they were in some cases that 0:10:03.240 --> 0:10:07.040 the person's response of hot or cold don't actually get 0:10:07.040 --> 0:10:09.280 the robot any closer. Like the idea here is not 0:10:09.360 --> 0:10:11.720 to get the robot to find it, but to frust 0:10:11.760 --> 0:10:15.760 potentially frustrate the person giving the robot instructions, because this 0:10:15.800 --> 0:10:17.840 is going to happen right, right, and it should be 0:10:17.840 --> 0:10:20.040 added to then in all these scenarios we're talking about 0:10:20.040 --> 0:10:23.079 in robot house, uh, there's a there's a certain amount 0:10:23.120 --> 0:10:27.280 of autonomy at play. But in some cases the the 0:10:27.400 --> 0:10:31.559 people conducting the research manipulated the robot because ultimately, here 0:10:31.600 --> 0:10:33.680 the idea is not let's see how robots behave, let's 0:10:33.679 --> 0:10:36.000 see how people behave in the presence of robots. Right, 0:10:36.040 --> 0:10:40.079 So they were manipulating the robots via a remote control 0:10:40.360 --> 0:10:44.080 and they called it the Wizard of Oz method. So there, 0:10:44.200 --> 0:10:46.520 so again there was the hot and cold game trial. 0:10:46.600 --> 0:10:48.920 Then there's the robot in the family trial, and this 0:10:48.960 --> 0:10:52.720 is all about space negotiate negotiation. The idea that all right, 0:10:52.760 --> 0:10:55.040 you're trying to carry on normal stuff around the house. 0:10:55.440 --> 0:10:58.120 What happens when you're, say, having a conversation and a 0:10:58.240 --> 0:11:01.679 robot passes between you. What happens if you're in an 0:11:01.720 --> 0:11:05.199 argument maybe and the robot decides it needs to clean 0:11:05.280 --> 0:11:08.199 all the walls in the room at that like, how 0:11:08.240 --> 0:11:12.559 does that? How does it affect the basic um, the 0:11:12.800 --> 0:11:14.880 basic feel of the home? How do how are people 0:11:14.880 --> 0:11:17.880 going to react to it? Um? Then there's the confidential 0:11:17.920 --> 0:11:21.520 information disclosure trial, and that one was my favorite. Yes, Now, 0:11:21.559 --> 0:11:24.320 this is the one where I believe that human will 0:11:24.360 --> 0:11:26.760 take one of the test subjects and they'll be walking 0:11:26.800 --> 0:11:30.000 around the house talking about ways too to redecorate things, 0:11:30.160 --> 0:11:32.480 but they'll end up sort of slipping some personal information, 0:11:33.120 --> 0:11:35.679 and then the robot will bring the personal information up. 0:11:35.960 --> 0:11:38.720 So and I think too that the robot was manipulating 0:11:38.720 --> 0:11:43.480 the conversation to get more personal information about habits and health. Yeah, okay, 0:11:43.520 --> 0:11:46.520 and then yes, and then at certain predetermined points and 0:11:47.040 --> 0:11:51.640 in the conversation, the robot would interrupt the person right 0:11:51.840 --> 0:11:56.000 and awkward fashion. The example they gave him the ride up, 0:11:56.440 --> 0:11:59.000 The experimenter says, I always try to go to sleep 0:11:59.080 --> 0:12:01.000 early so I can get a night's sleep and then 0:12:01.040 --> 0:12:03.800 the robot says, dag the experiment or did not go 0:12:03.880 --> 0:12:06.480 to bed until three o'clock last night, and awkward, did 0:12:06.559 --> 0:12:09.680 that right? Because you're like, robot, yeah, quit, you know, 0:12:09.720 --> 0:12:12.480 why are you? Why are you sharing that information? Right? 0:12:12.480 --> 0:12:14.520 And they they of course they did this on purpose. 0:12:14.559 --> 0:12:17.280 They didn't want the robot to be malicious. But what 0:12:17.320 --> 0:12:19.800 they wanted to try to if it's almost like a 0:12:19.800 --> 0:12:22.440 little kid, right, a little kid sometimes doesn't know uh 0:12:22.559 --> 0:12:25.960 not to say something that is factually correct, but you know, 0:12:26.000 --> 0:12:29.680 potentially insensitive to the person. So this is going to 0:12:29.720 --> 0:12:33.559 happen when a robot stores data on you. And the 0:12:33.320 --> 0:12:36.040 important thing here too, is that the robot would ideally 0:12:36.080 --> 0:12:38.920 need to store that data if it's going to navigate 0:12:39.200 --> 0:12:43.400 not only the physical spaces of your home but the 0:12:44.760 --> 0:12:46.760 but the spaces of your life. It needs to have 0:12:46.840 --> 0:12:48.839 some information about when you go to bed, when you're 0:12:48.840 --> 0:12:51.199 getting up, especially if it's say you you don't want 0:12:51.240 --> 0:12:55.440 your robot doing certain tasks while you're awake or while 0:12:55.480 --> 0:12:57.760 you're in the house. Yeah, if you raid your refrigerator 0:12:57.840 --> 0:13:01.320 at three am, you know, if you're bag you want 0:13:01.320 --> 0:13:03.800 your robot not to come, you know, trumping by right, 0:13:03.840 --> 0:13:05.280 So it came and end up coming into some of 0:13:05.320 --> 0:13:08.000 the same situations of privacy that we have with email 0:13:08.040 --> 0:13:11.679 and everything else electronic in our lives. Um, this robot 0:13:11.720 --> 0:13:14.120 has all this data. Is that data safe? Could somebody 0:13:14.160 --> 0:13:17.560 hack my robot and find out when I'm home? Could 0:13:17.600 --> 0:13:21.520 they hack my robot and find out what? The idea 0:13:21.559 --> 0:13:23.800 that instantly comes to my mind is the idea of 0:13:23.800 --> 0:13:26.800 these different models of the kindle where you can pay 0:13:26.840 --> 0:13:29.760 and get this, you know, basically an electronic reader. You 0:13:29.760 --> 0:13:31.719 can pay a little less and get one that has 0:13:31.800 --> 0:13:34.560 ads on it. So I can easily imagine a future 0:13:34.640 --> 0:13:38.840 where someone said, well, we can't quite afford the home 0:13:39.000 --> 0:13:42.000 robot that comes AD free, so instead we have to 0:13:42.120 --> 0:13:46.560 endure the one that will occasionally chime in with commercial 0:13:46.600 --> 0:13:49.480 pitches if it comes up in our conversation. That's very possible. 0:13:49.480 --> 0:13:51.920 I mean think about that. We did the podcast called 0:13:52.000 --> 0:13:54.079 Raised by Machines, Right, and we talked about the little 0:13:54.160 --> 0:13:58.120 kids who are being watched at the Japanese retailer and 0:13:58.200 --> 0:14:01.840 the robots. They're very friendly looking, will take pictures of 0:14:01.840 --> 0:14:05.400 your children as they're playing, but we'll also beam advertisement 0:14:05.559 --> 0:14:08.880 at your child. Uh so, yeah, I mean, you're right 0:14:08.920 --> 0:14:10.840 to offset the cost, you might be willing to take 0:14:10.960 --> 0:14:13.240 some sort of robot that is constantly going to tell 0:14:13.240 --> 0:14:15.640 you about Stuffer's pizza, right, But in that, I mean, 0:14:15.679 --> 0:14:18.720 how different is that than say, any children's network out there. 0:14:19.200 --> 0:14:21.760 I guess it's just I guess, I guess it's Again, 0:14:21.880 --> 0:14:25.440 it's the story of the data. Stuffer's pizza. They really 0:14:25.440 --> 0:14:28.440 love that pepperoni, you know, or I don't know. I 0:14:29.080 --> 0:14:32.160 do I care if if stuffer'st knows that, probably not. 0:14:32.320 --> 0:14:35.120 But again, it's the ability to mass all this information 0:14:35.160 --> 0:14:38.160 that's problematic. Well, okay, two more trials that they did 0:14:38.240 --> 0:14:40.840 in the Robot house real quick. One was watching TV 0:14:40.920 --> 0:14:43.040 with the robot, and this is basically you're trying to 0:14:43.040 --> 0:14:45.720 watch TV and the robot will come up and offer 0:14:45.760 --> 0:14:48.560 you drinks and snacks and stuff, which I think sounds 0:14:48.600 --> 0:14:51.480 pretty good. Um. And then there's helping the robot, And 0:14:51.560 --> 0:14:53.440 in this the humans are engaged in some of their 0:14:53.440 --> 0:14:56.480 tasks and the robot is trying to get their attention 0:14:57.120 --> 0:14:59.760 too because it needs to a door opened for it. 0:14:59.800 --> 0:15:01.560 So in some cases the robots kind of just sort 0:15:01.560 --> 0:15:03.920 of being passive aggressive about it and kind of hinting 0:15:03.920 --> 0:15:06.080 at the fact that hey, I wish somebody would open 0:15:06.080 --> 0:15:08.160 this door for me so I could go through, And 0:15:08.200 --> 0:15:10.760 then in some of the cases, the robot actually comes 0:15:10.840 --> 0:15:12.640 up to the person and says, hey, can you get 0:15:12.640 --> 0:15:14.440 this door for me? Again? I was thinking about the room. 0:15:14.520 --> 0:15:16.280 But you know, the roombot gets stuck or this is 0:15:16.280 --> 0:15:18.560 what I've heard. You know, it's very possible that robot 0:15:18.600 --> 0:15:21.600 is trying to negotiate a corner and gets stuck. So, um, 0:15:21.640 --> 0:15:25.000 it's it's measuring to to what extent a human is 0:15:25.040 --> 0:15:29.600 willing to help out a robot, not because it's being altruistic, 0:15:29.720 --> 0:15:32.560 but you know, what sort of functionality does this robot 0:15:32.600 --> 0:15:34.440 have and how much are humans willing to put up 0:15:34.480 --> 0:15:36.760 with it? Right? And then it plays into the wider 0:15:36.800 --> 0:15:39.360 scope of the studies. Do just see how like people 0:15:39.600 --> 0:15:41.960 think about the robot, how they how they interact with 0:15:41.960 --> 0:15:44.000 the robot, and what their attitude towards the robot in 0:15:44.000 --> 0:15:45.880 the house is. Yeah. Yeah, So let's talk about the 0:15:45.880 --> 0:15:48.400 results of all those five different studies. Okay, so we're 0:15:48.400 --> 0:15:49.880 gonna take a quick break and then we're gonna get 0:15:49.920 --> 0:15:52.800 back to all this. So hanging there for one second, 0:15:55.080 --> 0:15:58.080 this podcast is brought to you by Intel, the sponsors 0:15:58.120 --> 0:16:02.240 of Tomorrow and the Discus Very channel. At Intel, we 0:16:02.280 --> 0:16:06.400 believe curiosity is the spark which drives innovation. Join us 0:16:06.440 --> 0:16:10.480 a curiosity dot com and explore the answers to life's questions. 0:16:13.400 --> 0:16:15.600 And we're back. First the hot and Cold game trial, 0:16:15.720 --> 0:16:17.880 the whole You're hot your cold. I'm trying to get 0:16:17.880 --> 0:16:20.040 the robot to do something, but the robot is frustrating 0:16:20.040 --> 0:16:25.320 me by not following my instructions. And uh. They found 0:16:25.440 --> 0:16:29.000 two interesting patterns. One participants assigned less credit to the 0:16:29.080 --> 0:16:33.440 robot and more to themselves, and participants as signed more 0:16:33.520 --> 0:16:36.280 blamed to the robot and less to themselves. So that's 0:16:36.360 --> 0:16:39.480 rather illuminating. I think about the the idea that if 0:16:39.520 --> 0:16:42.360 the robots doing good, it's it's on us. If it's 0:16:42.360 --> 0:16:44.840 doing bad, it's like, come on, technology, you're failing me. 0:16:45.080 --> 0:16:49.440 But that to me, that seemed right on target, because 0:16:49.440 --> 0:16:52.240 haven't you when whenever you've been beating on your keyboard, 0:16:53.040 --> 0:16:56.160 like you know, a jack and apes, it's sort of 0:16:56.200 --> 0:17:00.640 like you're blaming the computer, but it's always user right, 0:17:00.840 --> 0:17:04.119 right this thing or you know, my phone drives me crazy, 0:17:04.200 --> 0:17:06.920 but most of the time is my my big phones 0:17:07.280 --> 0:17:09.840 but aren't able to navigate it. Well, I think like 0:17:09.880 --> 0:17:12.680 even some giant thombs. Well like even with the room, 0:17:12.680 --> 0:17:15.119 but in the in in our house, he has frustrated 0:17:15.160 --> 0:17:19.080 me in the past by refusing to to work properly. Uh, 0:17:19.080 --> 0:17:20.800 and it times I'll be like, oh, come on, room, 0:17:20.800 --> 0:17:23.240 but why won't you work? Why won't you vacuum this floor? 0:17:23.440 --> 0:17:26.320 And and sometimes it will come down to I have 0:17:26.680 --> 0:17:28.800 there's a step I need to take cleaning you that 0:17:28.880 --> 0:17:32.120 I have not known to take in the past, where 0:17:32.160 --> 0:17:36.040 I didn't or or I haven't known exactly to what extent, 0:17:36.200 --> 0:17:37.879 Like I didn't know that occasionally you might need to 0:17:37.880 --> 0:17:40.400 take your room but out into the backyard internal leafblower 0:17:40.440 --> 0:17:44.240 on it. But but sometimes it works, so store that away. 0:17:44.320 --> 0:17:46.320 But but yeah, so it's it's easy to imagine this, 0:17:46.480 --> 0:17:48.160 and like, if you have this robot in your house, 0:17:48.359 --> 0:17:50.560 are we just gonna always be yelling at it? Is 0:17:50.560 --> 0:17:54.200 it just gonna be this emotional punching bag. Well, it's 0:17:54.280 --> 0:17:58.840 very possible, right, What is that the saying about familiarity 0:17:58.880 --> 0:18:02.760 breeds contempt? Yeah? Right, alright, So robot and the family trial, 0:18:03.440 --> 0:18:05.560 what did we learn with this? Okay, well, but the 0:18:05.720 --> 0:18:10.160 participants didn't really actually mind the robots moving about so much. Um, 0:18:10.200 --> 0:18:13.200 but they really appreciated the fact that robots would say 0:18:13.200 --> 0:18:17.560 excuse me when negotiating space around them. So it always 0:18:17.560 --> 0:18:20.440 comes down to the little niceties in life, don't you think, 0:18:20.520 --> 0:18:22.439 yeah again to the room. But I don't think I 0:18:22.480 --> 0:18:24.879 find it that annoying if the robot is in the 0:18:24.960 --> 0:18:27.400 room with me, or certainly if it if the roller 0:18:27.520 --> 0:18:29.320 bumps into me, even I'm not like going to freak 0:18:29.359 --> 0:18:31.240 out because I know it's just navigating the space. It's 0:18:31.240 --> 0:18:33.240 doing its job, and if I really want to get 0:18:33.280 --> 0:18:34.600 upset about it, I can turn the room, but of 0:18:34.600 --> 0:18:37.239 off in vacuum my own floor, which is not going 0:18:37.280 --> 0:18:41.200 to happen all right now. The confidential information trial, now 0:18:41.240 --> 0:18:44.760 this is the one where people generally were very concerned 0:18:44.880 --> 0:18:49.520 U five participantorating themselves as feeling uncomfortable or very uncomfortable. 0:18:49.880 --> 0:18:54.760 Uh five participants were we're neutral into we're comfortable. But 0:18:54.760 --> 0:18:56.960 but enough red flags were raised here that people were like, 0:18:57.000 --> 0:19:00.000 I don't really like the robot bringing up personal stuff 0:19:00.119 --> 0:19:03.280 during my conversations or throwing my own words back at me. 0:19:03.640 --> 0:19:07.240 Right and again, like to your point earlier, they they 0:19:07.320 --> 0:19:09.919 knew that data needed to be stored about them. But 0:19:10.000 --> 0:19:13.080 again it was Yeah, it was throwing the information in 0:19:13.119 --> 0:19:17.199 their face. Um, are being concerned about how it was 0:19:17.240 --> 0:19:21.840 going to be maintained, you know, what sort of sensitive 0:19:21.880 --> 0:19:25.200 information and security measures were going to be taken, which 0:19:25.200 --> 0:19:27.000 would make sense, right, I mean, these are the conversations 0:19:27.000 --> 0:19:30.440 that we're having about cloud computing right now. So um yeah, 0:19:30.480 --> 0:19:33.879 I mean and you know, is my robot gonna blackmail me? Yeah? 0:19:34.080 --> 0:19:36.639 I mean it was my response. Yeah, I mean, we 0:19:37.119 --> 0:19:39.520 it's it's a big fear the whole basically, the fear 0:19:39.560 --> 0:19:42.040 of the AI potentially turning against us. There was an 0:19:42.040 --> 0:19:44.320 old sci fi original picture, and if anybody knows the 0:19:44.359 --> 0:19:45.679 name of this, let me know, because I could not 0:19:45.720 --> 0:19:48.480 find it searching around. But there was a film where 0:19:48.520 --> 0:19:51.399 they had like an automated system in the house and 0:19:51.440 --> 0:19:53.439 there was like a robot hand that travels around on 0:19:53.440 --> 0:19:56.199 this little runner along the ceiling like it does embodied 0:19:56.280 --> 0:19:58.520 robot hand, well know, like a terminator arm kind of 0:19:58.520 --> 0:20:01.760 thing that was attached to a a wheeled gadget that 0:20:01.840 --> 0:20:04.240 runs around on like a trolley car and the ceiling 0:20:04.560 --> 0:20:06.560 and it eventually goes hey wire and starts running around 0:20:06.600 --> 0:20:09.600 with a knife but see, I knew that. I just knew. 0:20:09.600 --> 0:20:12.080 That's like that the you know, the premise of any 0:20:12.080 --> 0:20:14.000 good horror story, and bring a cannon on stage. You 0:20:14.040 --> 0:20:17.280 gotta fire, right, all right? So watching TV with the robot, 0:20:17.359 --> 0:20:19.919 that one did pretty well. People tended to not mind 0:20:20.040 --> 0:20:23.680 a robot offering you drinks and snacks during your favorite show. 0:20:23.800 --> 0:20:25.399 This is what I thought was so funny about it. 0:20:25.400 --> 0:20:29.040 They were like, okay, yeahcent of them thought the robot 0:20:29.080 --> 0:20:30.800 was making too much effort, but they were like, oh 0:20:30.800 --> 0:20:34.760 but still, I was pretty well attended to, you know. 0:20:35.000 --> 0:20:37.840 And then finally helping the robot trial. This one was 0:20:37.880 --> 0:20:41.840 interesting because it seems like people did not respond really 0:20:41.880 --> 0:20:45.840 well to the subtle hints the robot was giving and 0:20:45.840 --> 0:20:49.520 and even either they didn't notice that the robot needed 0:20:49.520 --> 0:20:52.080 help at all, or they were like, I think the 0:20:52.160 --> 0:20:53.720 robot needs help, but I really don't know what I 0:20:53.720 --> 0:20:56.000 could do, or if I'm supposed to help the robot, 0:20:56.280 --> 0:20:58.840 that's right. There are three responses. They claimed to either 0:20:58.880 --> 0:21:02.040