Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, pony.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, you know I was going to release
Speaker 2: one in my younger years. I I really enjoyed doing that,
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Speaker 3: I used to sport.
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Speaker 3: She thought Daila Soul was Fucus broke.
Speaker 5: Wocus broke, Wolcus broke.
Speaker 2: I loved I love my pony, and I thought it
Speaker 2: would be funny to do it in an old lady
Speaker 2: voice and just like release the whole album of like
Speaker 2: different R and B songs, but in the.
Speaker 4: Your whole arny yeah right, my old time. My no
Speaker 4: is waiting.
Speaker 5: Attracted.
Speaker 3: I'm on it like I love so meet me at
Speaker 3: eleven thirty. I love it when you're talking dirty.
Speaker 5: Yes late for isn't it? Oh am to meet me
Speaker 5: at eleven.
Speaker 4: Thirty in the hour that they let me out of the.
Speaker 3: Horn before my seven hour naps. I'm so anxious.
Speaker 5: Hello the Internet, and welcome to season three, sixty four,
Speaker 5: episode two of.
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Speaker 5: Production of iHeart Radio. Uh, this is a podcast where
Speaker 5: we take a deep dive into america shared consciousness because
Speaker 5: we are the left's Joe Rogan investors welcome.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we only want to hear from arms manufacturers because
Speaker 3: it seems like that we need them to back some Yeah,
Speaker 3: we need to answer a Joe Rogan.
Speaker 2: So why couldn't you nuke a hurricane? I mean, no
Speaker 2: one's actually ever explained this to me.
Speaker 5: I think the I think the equation is just like,
Speaker 5: believe everything right.
Speaker 4: Justin, justin? Can you google this right now?
Speaker 3: Just just go pull this up?
Speaker 4: Doesn't pull this?
Speaker 3: Can you do like a chat GPT simulation if we
Speaker 3: nuked a Cat five hurricane.
Speaker 5: His ability to believe that Elon Musk had like a
Speaker 5: magical app that sawd that like did won the election
Speaker 5: just made me. It was like, oh, it's like my
Speaker 5: kids watching a magic show. It's he's just willing.
Speaker 2: To go with all right, Well follow Franny Theo if
Speaker 2: you think that starlink flip votes to Trump.
Speaker 4: So some of us are willing to go there us.
Speaker 3: Still believe is there money there? I guess you have
Speaker 3: to grift your own.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but I will grip all brought to you by
Speaker 5: craft Foods. There are.
Speaker 4: Brought you by fluoride. Yeah, someone's sticking up for us.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, just go exult, steer away from the curve. That's
Speaker 5: what they say, always works, right. It's Tuesday, November twelve,
Speaker 5: twenty twenty.
Speaker 3: Four, eleven twelve. Ohow no, well, this is what a
Speaker 3: weird day National Pizza with the works, except show these
Speaker 3: days we're in hell. We're in hell from with these days?
Speaker 3: What the fuck is this?
Speaker 5: Huh?
Speaker 4: So you're gonna have some pineapple and like a bell pepper?
Speaker 3: Yeah, or did like Michelangelo from the Ninja Turtles. Right
Speaker 3: this week, I.
Speaker 5: Feel like half of the days feel like they are,
Speaker 5: you know, just some corporate interest group invented them. And
Speaker 5: then the other half are just five year olds who
Speaker 5: are right, this is the pizza I like, and we
Speaker 5: need to have a birthday party for.
Speaker 3: It, right right, right? Well, anyway, here's another one, uh
Speaker 3: fucking chicken soup for the soul daye and this one
Speaker 3: hey for us from l A.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know, I've cried it a couple of those.
Speaker 3: Okay, well I can't read, so I protected myself from
Speaker 3: that kind of pain. The other thing though, just for
Speaker 3: people from l A. And this is just an l
Speaker 3: A thing. It's National French Dip Day, So there it is.
Speaker 3: That's that's only in LA because Cole's is observed as
Speaker 3: the like, the place that created the French dip, and
Speaker 3: that's downtown.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I never also knew what a French tip was until
Speaker 4: I met Matt.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well because boy, yeah he's an l A LA.
Speaker 3: Why is it?
Speaker 4: It's just like beef broth.
Speaker 3: Is that we call that an aju?
Speaker 5: Actually sandwich with an al.
Speaker 3: It's basically meat sweat water.
Speaker 4: Yeah, meat sweat water.
Speaker 5: Is very good, very but I've had it outside of LA.
Speaker 5: But you were just saying it was originated and beloved
Speaker 5: in Yes.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 5: My name is Jack O'Brien aka oh ghana Ria, Ghana Ria,
Speaker 5: ghana Ria. On the show, everyone knows that it doesn't
Speaker 5: spread on the beach, the beach.
Speaker 3: The beach.
Speaker 5: That one courtesy of a w D Spinnin' wow reference
Speaker 5: to the worst person I've met in the past couple episodes,
Speaker 5: the guy from ninety Day Fiance Yeah, speaks in broken
Speaker 5: English to his fiance.
Speaker 3: Yeah, to his Filipino girlfriend like and says stuff like this, I.
Speaker 5: Don't think gon aria gonna spread on the beach.
Speaker 3: Yep, they're not gonna spread on the beach. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: think the pills is no leaking. Yes, anyway, little taste
Speaker 3: of four to twenty day fiance on the Daily zeit
Speaker 3: guy Slash.
Speaker 2: I mean, in the new Trump administration, are they gonna
Speaker 2: come for ninety day fiance on some like revoking visa.
Speaker 4: Shit or.
Speaker 3: Yeah they don't work out? So I have a feeling
Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe it's the other way where the
Speaker 3: show will now be about Americans basically like, yeah, fishing
Speaker 3: for getting the fuck out, yeah.
Speaker 4: Cat fishing for EU citizenship.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And then they're like you, you poor child. Do
Speaker 3: you think it's not coming over here too?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'm I'm got EU citizenship, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: I'm an Italian, So it's like Georgia Miloney's that's.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm a I'll fight him over here, yeah,
Speaker 3: frequent guess, Katie Golden, it's been like it's not great
Speaker 3: over here.
Speaker 5: We are a couple of years ahead of you. In fact. Anyways,
Speaker 5: shout out to a w D spinning and I'm thrilled
Speaker 5: to be joined as always by my co host, mister
Speaker 5: Miles Gray.
Speaker 3: Oh it's Miles Gray. Akay.
Speaker 1: It's been one week since Democracy chopped its nuts off
Speaker 1: and then started bleating, five days since we came to
Speaker 1: see and saying Dickhead's Owen Bragg got there waning, three
Speaker 1: days of impending doom. If they know this is their fault,
Speaker 1: they wouldn't tell you. Yesterday someone made a speech, but
Speaker 1: I was too busy making Mala top cocktails.
Speaker 3: I'll see on salad for that one. It has been
Speaker 3: one week, and what a week it's been.
Speaker 4: Finger pointing, fingerpoint was that was really really inspired?
Speaker 5: That was great?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, house, we could look the shout out everybody
Speaker 3: in Discord.
Speaker 4: Oh.
Speaker 3: Also, if you want to discord invite, Sorry, I've been
Speaker 3: trying to avoid social media just so I can continue
Speaker 3: doing a daily news show. But hit me up and
Speaker 3: I will send you discord invites. That's how we try
Speaker 3: and keep the show, you know, mostly the chills like
Speaker 3: young but anyway, yeah, hit me up because I saw
Speaker 3: some of you hit me up about that. Anyway, if
Speaker 3: you know the Discord, hit me up.
Speaker 5: I'll give you the bare naked ladies will lead us
Speaker 5: to the promised Land, Yes, is that anadium?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Were they Canadian?
Speaker 5: Yeah? Scarborough, Ontario, Scarborough, Scarborough Country, one of my least
Speaker 5: favorite countries these days.
Speaker 3: One of my favorite morning hosts.
Speaker 5: Though, killing it Miles. We're thrilled to be joined in
Speaker 5: our third seats by one of our favorite guests, a
Speaker 5: brilliant comedian, writer, journalist, activists you know from plays like
Speaker 5: Al Jazeera at MSNBC Young from the podcast Habituation Room.
Speaker 5: It's Francesca Fuorantin.
Speaker 3: I am nothing.
Speaker 5: I don't want to sing.
Speaker 2: Ship, I don't want to do a joke on my name.
Speaker 2: Everything's terrible. I'm gonna roll up. I'm just like, I'm
Speaker 2: like when when when are the Pitch Street battles? Let's
Speaker 2: go Yeah, but no, I'm high.
Speaker 3: Nice year.
Speaker 2: I'm excited to have you use my like three week
Speaker 2: old cough to uh to just scream about Democrats for
Speaker 2: the next hour.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, what do you what?
Speaker 3: What? What do you think you're gonna be? You gonna pivot,
Speaker 3: You're gonna try and get the Dems Joe Rogan, dem dollars.
Speaker 3: Are you gonna keep doing your thing or fully pivot
Speaker 3: to the right because everything's on the table. I think
Speaker 3: right now for everyone.
Speaker 2: You know what, wouldn't it be so funny if I
Speaker 2: pivoted to the right, but like no one cared.
Speaker 4: That would be so great if I staked at all
Speaker 4: and was like, you know what, I'm leaving the left.
Speaker 4: I left the left and everyone's.
Speaker 2: Like, okay, bye, like and like who are you? Like
Speaker 2: sometimes I go on Piers Morgan, but then I realized
Speaker 2: it is woke and that what like that would just
Speaker 2: like that's why I wouldn't pivot to the right, because
Speaker 2: like what if it wasn't you know, big enough to
Speaker 2: actually get me any sponsorships?
Speaker 4: People were like.
Speaker 3: Cool, yeah, well no, no anyway, so here, we're gonna
Speaker 3: burn this cross in front of that house. You got
Speaker 3: a truck? Uh no, never mind.
Speaker 5: I do feel like it's probably gonna be pretty full.
Speaker 3: I think there's a lot of.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I'm gonna pivot to you know this. I'm
Speaker 2: just like, honestly, maybe podcasting is not the way we
Speaker 2: do the revolution, but no, so long as people still is,
Speaker 2: and I'm going to try and have you know, more
Speaker 2: activists and strategic thinkers on and and you know, actually
Speaker 2: just kind of get involved like locally too, Like if
Speaker 2: I if we can't change California, what the fuck? We're
Speaker 2: not a blue state worth at salt, you know, like
Speaker 2: what's look at Minnesota. Tim Walls may have lost, but
Speaker 2: like the people of Minnesota.
Speaker 4: Won, like they still get him.
Speaker 3: Yeah so, but we got our own fucking freak job man,
Speaker 3: Gavin Newsome. And that's that's what we do around is
Speaker 3: we need a thing as bad as their thing, Like
Speaker 3: what the few are.
Speaker 4: Completely up more homeless encampments, Like.
Speaker 3: Oh god, he did it himself. Were like that's the
Speaker 3: kind of energy we need. I'm like, you are so unserious.
Speaker 3: Please He's like.
Speaker 2: Next door Anderson Cooper, you know, just like going out
Speaker 2: there and rolling up his sleeves.
Speaker 3: He's like, can I get a wheelbarrow? It's like no, No,
Speaker 3: this is someone's yard. I don't care. I'm throwing this
Speaker 3: stuff away. Fuck fuck up?
Speaker 5: Yeah, how do we punch down better? Teach us that
Speaker 5: just those punches the right?
Speaker 3: Yeah, we want to do a sick lower cut, not
Speaker 3: a topper cut, but undercut. Yeah yeah, there's a magic punch.
Speaker 3: You never yeh Yeah.
Speaker 5: All right, Francesca, we're gonna get to know you a
Speaker 5: little bit better in a moment. First, We're going to
Speaker 5: tell the listeners a couple of the things we're talking about.
Speaker 5: I just want to review some of the genres of
Speaker 5: post election news story. You got the you have to
Speaker 5: hand it to them, Trump and Elon Musk blah blah.
Speaker 5: We'll talk about the America's shifted towards Republicans, and now
Speaker 5: the Democrats need to do that and be more like
Speaker 5: Trump woke, is broke, Kamala Harris actually did good compared
Speaker 5: to how bad it could have been because other parties
Speaker 5: in other countries had similar results regardless, so actually not
Speaker 5: so bad, and and any other favorites that we want
Speaker 5: to talk about. We're going to talk about Trump's pick
Speaker 5: for borders are as horrible as you might expect, also
Speaker 5: originally got his job from the Obama administration. Really we'll
Speaker 5: talk about that. We'll talk about things to be worried
Speaker 5: about the upcoming presidential election, all of that plenty more.
Speaker 5: But first, Francesca, we do like to ask our guest,
Speaker 5: what is something from your search history that's revealing about
Speaker 5: who you are?
Speaker 2: So there is a bill that could be passed this
Speaker 2: week that God damn it if the Democrats do this,
Speaker 2: Like I'm fully giving up on the party completely.
Speaker 3: We're talking about the tax exempt status.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's revoking the tax exempt status of any organization
Speaker 2: that's so called supports terrorism. Obviously this came up because
Speaker 2: of the anti genocide protests and organizations you know, like JBP,
Speaker 2: Jewish Voice for Peace or if not now other progressive
Speaker 2: Jewish groups, but also like you know, Muslim and Arab
Speaker 2: American groups anyway, fun and I was like, let me
Speaker 2: just see if some of these right wing organizations, like
Speaker 2: the actual terror organizations that like do domestic terrorism have
Speaker 2: tax exemp status and lo and.
Speaker 4: Behold a little pro public article.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there are are many different organizations like the Oath
Speaker 2: Keepers had taxes emp status, American Patriot Vanguard three percent
Speaker 2: I don't even know what that was. That a splinter
Speaker 2: from the three percenters, I don't know, but a lot
Speaker 2: of them. So I was just sort of curious as
Speaker 2: to like whether those groups that actually do terrorism have
Speaker 2: taxes M status.
Speaker 4: That's isn't that fun? Yeah?
Speaker 3: I know, it's like they're gonna be like, oh, that's
Speaker 3: that's crazy that that boomerang. Huh, pretty weird if they
Speaker 3: end up voting for I don't know, I mean, I'm
Speaker 3: God that when I saw that that was coming out,
Speaker 3: was preparing for people to completely forget what is on
Speaker 3: the horizon. But I don't know. Yeah, we'll see, We'll see,
Speaker 3: we'll see.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, if if people are still listening to this
Speaker 2: in the morning, you know, you can still call your
Speaker 2: congress person and tell them to won't know, but I
Speaker 2: do think it'll be very revelatory because this will just
Speaker 2: be handing Donald Trump, not that you won't already try
Speaker 2: to revoke the nonprofit status of these groups and many
Speaker 2: many others make it legal.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it'll just be handing it to him.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Project Esther is part of Project twenty twenty five, that
Speaker 5: whole plan to just basically attack dismantle any voice of
Speaker 5: opposition to Israeli's military camp.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exact, any camp, any of them.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, any of them, any of them. What is
Speaker 5: something you think is underrated?
Speaker 2: I mean talking to your neighbors, you know, like, yeah,
Speaker 2: there is a MAGA flag down the road, a piece
Speaker 2: just like a few doors down, which I'm like, okay, girl,
Speaker 2: But you know, I've been trying to exchange phone numbers
Speaker 2: with my neighbors lately, and these are people who I like,
Speaker 2: see walking their dogs and I've talked to but I
Speaker 2: never like got their number and whatnot. And so we'll
Speaker 2: see if little Franny gets a neighborhood, you know, dinner
Speaker 2: together or some kind of meetup. But I definitely think,
Speaker 2: you know, it's important to find your direct community and yes,
Speaker 2: the those people live around you, and again not just
Speaker 2: through next door and being like the homeless man's back again,
Speaker 2: you know, whatever the fuck, but like really I.
Speaker 3: Called the non emergency line for the police station.
Speaker 4: Yeah, just like really talking to folks and like making
Speaker 4: a point.
Speaker 2: You know, Working Families Party is doing these things called
Speaker 2: We're Worth fighting for meetings, so we're worth fighting for,
Speaker 2: worth fighting for dot org WFP again as a third party.
Speaker 2: They run many different candidates. I think they have like
Speaker 2: seventy candidates that won in this election. Some of them
Speaker 2: are just Democrats, but others are WFP independence as well.
Speaker 2: So you know that kind of thing is like how
Speaker 2: can we build more community because no one's coming to
Speaker 2: save us.
Speaker 4: We have to be here for one another.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it feels pretty it's hard. Hard to be
Speaker 5: like the Democrats are going to figure this one out
Speaker 5: at this point. They are not actively and immediately find
Speaker 5: ways to not figure out yeah, or figure out the
Speaker 5: wrong lesson. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, totally.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I mean, do you feel like we're WFP or like
Speaker 5: other of these kind of smaller, more local parties like
Speaker 5: have the ability to build and like be a long
Speaker 5: term solution.
Speaker 4: And I think so, I think they have to be.
Speaker 2: And I think given that, you know, you've seen the
Speaker 2: discussion around working the working people being abandoned by Democrats,
Speaker 2: it's like, well, it's in the name Working Families Party,
Speaker 2: and they are strategic, meaning they will endorse Democrats when
Speaker 2: it makes sense. They will go after seats that make
Speaker 2: sense to go after. It's not like they are just
Speaker 2: sort of ego driven and you know, simply against the
Speaker 2: two party dopoly.
Speaker 4: They're really trying to run candidates. I mean, what's interesting.
Speaker 2: We had Maurice Mitchell of WFP on my show, The
Speaker 2: Situation Room, and he was mentioning that like, and I
Speaker 2: didn't know this, but Letitia James, you know, a District
Speaker 2: Attorney of Manhattan was a WFP candidate originally, and you know,
Speaker 2: ran on a WFP line. And that's incredible to me.
Speaker 2: You know, now she's obviously, well, the right is threatening
Speaker 2: to put her in jail.
Speaker 4: But TBD on that.
Speaker 2: But like those kinds of things where you're like, oh
Speaker 2: you imagine, yeah, I mean, it's just like, you know,
Speaker 2: it's like either we get the Kirston Cinema nutjobs who
Speaker 2: are like Reynald the Green Party line and then are
Speaker 2: accountable to literally no one, right, no one, and then
Speaker 2: you know, becomes a regular ass corporate Democrat, or we
Speaker 2: like really nurture candidates from the ground up. And you know,
Speaker 2: I'm not sold on the Democratic Party, like I'm not.
Speaker 2: I'm not willing to say a week out from this election,
Speaker 2: given the massive amount of rolling over to say nothing
Speaker 2: of the massive failure, that I would ever invest in them. Again,
Speaker 2: that being said, I understand elections are in four years.
Speaker 2: You know, this is there's very little time to build
Speaker 2: up an alternative. But if there's a moment to think
Speaker 2: about one, it's now. And again, WF doesn't necessarily not
Speaker 2: endorse the Democrat.
Speaker 3: You know, it is a bar that has to be cleared.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a bar that us be cleared, and you
Speaker 2: have to you know, everyone needs a political home right now,
Speaker 2: and I think it's important, especially progressive leftists, socialists, like
Speaker 2: there's not a lot of places you can feel like
Speaker 2: are your political home.
Speaker 4: So like how do we build that? What does that
Speaker 4: look like? You know?
Speaker 3: Yeah, because there's a schism coming and I mean it's
Speaker 3: happening right now, but it's like it's about how which
Speaker 3: side is going to be able to funnel that energy
Speaker 3: properly into whatever this next thing is, because like you know,
Speaker 3: as we're going to talk about every every genre of
Speaker 3: post election story is basically being like, hey, keep trusting us,
Speaker 3: or you have people who are like we need to
Speaker 3: fucking put that shit to bed in terms of like
Speaker 3: establishment Democrat policies. Yeah, and that's that's going to be
Speaker 3: very interesting to see how that sort of fight for
Speaker 3: who wants to be the home for you know, disillusioned voters.
Speaker 3: Where that's going to happen in ters of people who.
Speaker 5: Whatever the solution ends up being, it's going to be
Speaker 5: incredibly unpopular with like the current democratic establishment. Yeah, Like
Speaker 5: that's one thing we can guarantee. Yeah, it is currently
Speaker 5: a machine that is designed to convert like the sorts
Speaker 5: of like class based frustration that we're talking about into
Speaker 5: like pro market action, political action like that that's what
Speaker 5: they do. And then like kind of just cover that up.
Speaker 5: So like they're they're they're built for this, They're built
Speaker 5: to like basically combat what they're built to lose. Yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: yeah right, exactly at all costs, if they're built to.
Speaker 2: Lose and fundraise off the loss and then scare you
Speaker 2: into going back to them.
Speaker 4: And and look again, I wouldn't.
Speaker 2: You're never gonna You didn't get you didn't hear me
Speaker 2: arguing against voting for Harris, not on honestly, not on
Speaker 2: any issue. I was out there saying, we have to
Speaker 2: vote for Harris. But you know, we all have our limits.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, and being just a.
Speaker 4: Strategic, a moral, a political failure might be our limit,
Speaker 4: you know, being such a toxic brand. Your brand is weak,
Speaker 4: your brand sucks, Nobody likes your brand. You are the
Speaker 4: sketchers of political parties and.
Speaker 3: Whoa, whoa, whoa, I'm wearing shape ups right now, okay,
Speaker 3: and my hamstrings have.
Speaker 5: Been just slid out of it back into his shoes
Speaker 5: and comfort.
Speaker 3: No, but it's true. Yeah, no, it's it's I mean again,
Speaker 3: for most people, they were like, yeah, this is going
Speaker 3: to be a pinch your nose election, hold your nose
Speaker 3: at the polls thing, that's that's the problem. It's like,
Speaker 3: oh god, fuck dude, this is the best it can
Speaker 3: that that we can do, uh, in terms of an
Speaker 3: alternative and.
Speaker 4: Yeah and under bid.
Speaker 2: I mean when Biden was like that, we were like, well,
Speaker 2: we're all we your masks anyway, so you know, not
Speaker 2: about holding your nose.
Speaker 3: Let's go. It smells great in here, he says. He
Speaker 3: says he's going to be a bridge. He says he's
Speaker 3: going to be a conduit.
Speaker 4: He's a transitional Canada. I'm sure.
Speaker 5: Primary Why is he doing that?
Speaker 3: Why? Why is out shout out James Clyburn.
Speaker 5: What's something you think is overrated? Frenchhip?
Speaker 2: Oh god, yes, I didn't mean for this to be
Speaker 2: so long, but it is. I do think that running
Speaker 2: on democracy is overrated. Like threatening people with the loss
Speaker 2: of democracy is overrated in this country because our democracy
Speaker 2: is on life support. Our democracy has not delivered for people.
Speaker 2: Our democracy has been abused, not just by Trump but
Speaker 2: by many many politicians, whether it's from the amount of
Speaker 2: money that is festering in our democratic process to the
Speaker 2: fact that we've had stolen elections. Hello year two thousand,
Speaker 2: two thousand and four, A lot of funct shit went
Speaker 2: down with Bush's reelection. So I just you cannot sell
Speaker 2: the American people on a system they don't think is
Speaker 2: actually delivered for them. Democracy is only so good as
Speaker 2: you can actually deliver for people, and so you can't
Speaker 2: care them anymore until they're like, you know what, I
Speaker 2: kind of like a good scare, until everyone starts to
Speaker 2: get all Halloween about shit and is like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: maybe we need authoritarianism and mass deportations for the price
Speaker 2: of eggs to go down. So I just think that
Speaker 2: is it's very overrated. I wish it weren't. But case
Speaker 2: in point, how was Trump even able to run in
Speaker 2: the first place? Two states tried to remove him from
Speaker 2: their ballot, and his own fucking hand picked Supreme Court
Speaker 2: allowed it to said that was illegal for them to do.
Speaker 4: People tried.
Speaker 2: We have a constitutional amendment that says you can't run
Speaker 2: for election if you incited an insurrection against the country.
Speaker 4: So what the fuck good is our fucking democracy? And
Speaker 4: you sure shit aren't going to convince me.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry to invest in this party that within twenty
Speaker 2: four hours has rolled over for Donald Trump after you
Speaker 2: just said he was the greatest threat to our demarke Well,
Speaker 2: act like it, bitch, act like it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, where's that energy? Yet? I thought you're not
Speaker 3: keeping the same energy. The only same energy I've seen
Speaker 3: is from the fundraising texts that are still coming in,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, and then you eat that thing, like, oh,
Speaker 3: y'all are broke. We Blewe through a lot of money, man. Also, wow,
Speaker 3: how where look why we were lying to Harris the
Speaker 3: whole time about how much money we had.
Speaker 5: We were. We're in a lot of trouble with some
Speaker 5: bad people.
Speaker 4: We paid way too many influencers to do terrible video.
Speaker 3: Do not look at the cost of what it took
Speaker 3: to put that shit on the ORB in Vegas?
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, oh my god, yes, Julia Robert's not cheap. Guys.
Speaker 4: Trump must have been so jealous of that, Like if
Speaker 4: there's one thing of he was.
Speaker 3: Like, oh yeah.
Speaker 5: It seems like a lot of their campaign was just
Speaker 5: doing stuff that would piss Trump off, like the Julia
Speaker 5: Roberts endorsement, Like doesn't matter to anyone except Donald Trump,
Speaker 5: who is still stuck in the late eighties in New
Speaker 5: York City.
Speaker 3: And he doesn't even know her name. He just calls
Speaker 3: her a pretty woman. Did pretty women come out against me.
Speaker 5: Fuck, but yeah, I think you're exactly right that, like
Speaker 5: running on the current system is in is under threat
Speaker 5: by the other guy, was maybe exactly the wrong message,
Speaker 5: primary message at a time when everybody wanted change, like
Speaker 5: that's all anybody cared about, and when you're like your
Speaker 5: message is the current systems under threat, he's gonna he's
Speaker 5: gonna dismantle the whole dang thing. And also the current
Speaker 5: system is better than you think it is.
Speaker 4: Yes, you can't say that's got to fuck.
Speaker 5: You real, real, real hard, and.
Speaker 3: Did Yeah, I mean like one of those things. As
Speaker 3: it was happening, I felt like every week we're like,
Speaker 3: oh no, the change it was so wide. That's like
Speaker 3: that's not a good ad. That's not a good ad,
Speaker 3: like you're saying. If anything, it's like, yeah, the Republicans
Speaker 3: like what we're on and you're like, oh, that's okay. Yeah.
Speaker 5: The change stuff like in addition to being just horrific
Speaker 5: and exactly like just a perpendicular like exactly in the
Speaker 5: wrong direction for like what they should have been doing
Speaker 5: from a international relations you know what what our international
Speaker 5: policy was on the genocide in Gaza. It's just like
Speaker 5: from an economic standpoint, like the big failure that happened
Speaker 5: that like started people down the path of being like
Speaker 5: this whole thing needs to be fucking torn down, like
Speaker 5: that like made that realization, crystallized it in people's mind.
Speaker 5: Happened when he was running the like it was widely
Speaker 5: agreed that he was running the country at that time,
Speaker 5: and like.
Speaker 2: Well, and she voted with him ninety percent of the time,
Speaker 2: Liz Cheney did. But honestly, let's be real, like the
Speaker 2: Republican Party bankrupting us from two plus wars in eight
Speaker 2: years of Bush is very relevant to the point where
Speaker 2: at the Republican Party now sees those former administration officials
Speaker 2: as bad for their brand because they understand and it's
Speaker 2: just like I can't, I can't.
Speaker 5: I mean, that was one of those first ways that
Speaker 5: Trump broke with the Republican establishment was like, George Bush
Speaker 5: is a fucking disasters, is a disaster.
Speaker 2: His brand obviously is much more like we should have
Speaker 2: taken all the oil and like let's make the let's
Speaker 2: go to war with the cartels.
Speaker 3: Amount of money on the table, They will.
Speaker 4: Go to war with the cartels, by the way.
Speaker 3: This will happen, so good for us.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, oh, I'm really excited.
Speaker 2: Uh it's like what if like our like special forces
Speaker 2: are going to start to be like as awful and
Speaker 2: disgusting and just like, well, we've got to create you know,
Speaker 2: the uh whatever, you know, the MS thirteen of the
Speaker 2: US military.
Speaker 3: Everything is that way. It's like, well, we need our
Speaker 3: own MS thirteen. Yeah, right, yeah, they're called the police too.
Speaker 3: Can begether everywhere. You can do whatever, do whatever you want,
Speaker 3: do whatever you want.
Speaker 5: That does seem to be one of the big takeaways,
Speaker 5: which we'll talk about when we get back from this break.
Speaker 5: But the idea of like, well, he's a bad guy.
Speaker 5: Bad guys are exciting. We need our own bad guy.
Speaker 5: And it's like, so what now are we saying, Yeah,
Speaker 5: we should be evil, we should just be the evil
Speaker 5: in a different willer. Yeah, let's take a quick break.
Speaker 5: We'll be right back, and we're back. We're back and
Speaker 5: uh yeah, So I just wanted to you know that.
Speaker 5: I feel like there are broad groupings of types of
Speaker 5: post election news story. Genre is the post election news
Speaker 5: story that are damaging and sort of sending people down
Speaker 5: a unhelpful path. I think mostly the mainstream media response
Speaker 5: has been that with like a handful of stories being like,
Speaker 5: maybe it's the demo, maybe it's just the Democratic Party
Speaker 5: cratering because they didn't do the thing that their base
Speaker 5: has been telling them they needed to do for the
Speaker 5: past I don't know, ten years.
Speaker 3: Maybe longer.
Speaker 5: But one of them And we got this in twenty sixteen,
Speaker 5: and I think it seems like we're getting it again.
Speaker 5: Is the you gotta hand it to them? In twenty sixteen,
Speaker 5: it was you gotta hand it to Trump and Bannon,
Speaker 5: and now it's gonna be you gotta hand it to
Speaker 5: Trump and Musk Like this these guys, I mean they already.
Speaker 2: Fucking I mean, they worked with so little, with only
Speaker 2: all of the world's riches, right, they were able to
Speaker 2: do so much. Yes, who would have thought with everything
Speaker 2: available to you you could win an election?
Speaker 5: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, So assuming that they knew exactly what
Speaker 5: they were doing all along, like Elon Musk knew Trump
Speaker 5: one before anyone actually voted on Tuesday, because he has
Speaker 5: his magic app according to Joe Rogan, and like they're
Speaker 5: just like behind the scenes, brilliant geniuses. This assumes that
Speaker 5: either of them could have been any other way in
Speaker 5: this election, or ever at any point in their life,
Speaker 5: which they've never, never, not done exactly what they were doing,
Speaker 5: like this is who they are because of the deep
Speaker 5: set of like moral catastrophes that are like their entire
Speaker 5: personalities they are built on, and their very specific personality
Speaker 5: disorders that are happened to be cheat codes for the
Speaker 5: system that we're operating under. I think the thing that
Speaker 5: was incorrect, the assumption that was incorrect or was hopeful
Speaker 5: copium Cope Cain in the lead up to the election,
Speaker 5: was that it was harming them electorally and in reality
Speaker 5: in the very specific situation where they were the only
Speaker 5: alternative to a democratic party that insisted on doubling down
Speaker 5: with the establishment like they were they were right, like
Speaker 5: they could do what they were doing, and anybody pointing
Speaker 5: out how fucked up what they were saying was was
Speaker 5: just underlining like that there they were, like outside of
Speaker 5: the system, outside.
Speaker 2: Of the established, giving them and giving them like free
Speaker 2: press and yes, and drawing people to their very coherent
Speaker 2: fascistic message of demonizing anyone who is other and white grievance.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's wild though, Like you know, for the longest,
Speaker 3: you know, since basically Biden took office, always talked about
Speaker 3: how wow, now the Democrats are literally just their only
Speaker 3: striving like, well, at least we're not them. At least
Speaker 3: we're not them. Hey, you see these guys were not them,
Speaker 3: and the Republicans ran again. That campaign was everything anecdotally
Speaker 3: you heard was like this shit is so backwards. But
Speaker 3: the Republicans said, hey, at least we're not them, and
Speaker 3: people were like, yeah, at least you're not them. That's
Speaker 3: how easy it was. It was truly that simple. Like
Speaker 3: aside from again, it's not that easy because they're definitely
Speaker 3: a huge disturbing amount of people that were totally bought
Speaker 3: in on going full fucking cruelty with this administration. But
Speaker 3: then again, there are people who have no idea who
Speaker 3: Liz Chainy is no idea how like like half of
Speaker 3: these news stories didn't get to them, but merely they're like, yeah,
Speaker 3: at least they're not them ended up working out, and
Speaker 3: just the irony of that, rather than delivering something or
Speaker 3: at least giving people to say this is how things
Speaker 3: can be different. That that didn't work. I don't know,
Speaker 3: it's it's a very cruel irony to watch it play
Speaker 3: out in real time. But I think something that most
Speaker 3: people who observed it were like, this isn't a good strategy,
Speaker 3: Like that's not enough to just be like, hey, we're
Speaker 3: not them, Yeah we're not.
Speaker 4: You should have been more like they not like us, right.
Speaker 3: Right right now, Donald Trump is we just needed.
Speaker 2: One more endorsement from Kendrick and I feel like the
Speaker 2: DAMS could have pulled through.
Speaker 5: Yeah that's all if they didn't get a Drake endorsement.
Speaker 5: I feel like that would have been so on point,
Speaker 5: and like just keeping.
Speaker 3: Withiity to not fuck up. We got jaw Rule and
Speaker 3: Drake coming up, y'all, jah Rule and Drake.
Speaker 5: Oh okay that that last second headliner that canceled at
Speaker 5: the d NZ was actually Diddy and they like found
Speaker 5: out what they're like, oh shit, okay, yeah that might
Speaker 5: not work so Diddy, Drake Collabo, Yeah, there's so many.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like the whole thing of we must handle him
Speaker 3: is so disturbing because like to your point, Francisca, it
Speaker 3: truly does be like, well, I guess we gotta we
Speaker 3: gotta hug him now, that's that's all there is. And
Speaker 3: that kind of energy is so alarming to see again,
Speaker 3: based on what you're like, exactly how they were a
Speaker 3: campaign like this is the end of fuck the fucking
Speaker 3: everything as you know it. Yeah, and then yeah, al
Speaker 3: right whatever because and I think that also reveals to
Speaker 3: them too, because Democrats love all like the political like, yo,
Speaker 3: I'll guess what, I get more dollars when I have
Speaker 3: to be like, all right, man, how are we going
Speaker 3: to win this next one? Let me let me see
Speaker 3: those let me see those consulting dollars real quick. And
Speaker 3: that's when you become so like, I don't know, it's
Speaker 3: just so easy to become cynical if you're observing it,
Speaker 3: you know, in this way constantly because yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, act like it hurts to lose, and then
Speaker 2: will believe you when you say that you must win.
Speaker 2: But when Joe Biden is out there saying Americans just
Speaker 2: chose a different vision, I'm sorry, You're not the leader
Speaker 2: of the party. You've never been a leader of the party. Honestly,
Speaker 2: like the whole week, this feels like the end of
Speaker 2: Usual Suspects.
Speaker 4: Spoiler if you're eighty.
Speaker 3: And has a spoiler for you, skip ahead two minutes
Speaker 3: if you don't.
Speaker 5: And it's pretty surprising because now like the person who
Speaker 5: ends up being the bad guy like you're you're never
Speaker 5: gonna believe it these days. Okay, go ahead, No.
Speaker 2: But just just like I I think the election might
Speaker 2: have been called, you know, in twenty twenty one at
Speaker 2: the end of that year, when it was so clear
Speaker 2: that Joe Biden was unable to deliver on his promises
Speaker 2: because he could not actually bring some of these corporate
Speaker 2: centrist Democrats in the Senate like Mansion and Cinema to
Speaker 2: actually vote with him, wasn't able to apply pressure to
Speaker 2: get that only gave them concessions and like allowed a
Speaker 2: Senate parliamentarian to block raising the minimum wage via you know,
Speaker 2: the reconciliation bills, and just like you know, if you
Speaker 2: for a hindsight on how much ground we lost, Bernie
Speaker 2: Sanders's last book is very very painful, but also really
Speaker 2: important to like, oh yeah, so much was squandered in
Speaker 2: those initial months, to say nothing of Merrick Garland actually
Speaker 2: going after Trump for the gen and six stuff, but
Speaker 2: again presuming that none of that would have had an
Speaker 2: effect because nobody really cares about January sixth, just put
Speaker 2: that away actually delivering for the American people, And so
Speaker 2: my mind is like I'm like there, you know, like
Speaker 2: Chaz Palmentary like watching the or Chad Pulmonary watching like
Speaker 2: all the little.
Speaker 4: Pieces of evidence. Yeah, like Chaz chas yet did I
Speaker 4: get it right the first seme.
Speaker 3: It feels like that's not a name.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Mega, Chaz Promonary is exactly.
Speaker 2: I love I love this, And he's like, oh okay,
Speaker 2: Senate like Democrats won't replace Senate parliamentarian and build back
Speaker 2: better gets scrapped for Inflation Reduction Act, like inflation rates skyrocket.
Speaker 2: Biden refuses to lower you know, the interest rates until
Speaker 2: whatever whatever. Twenty twenty six is only when the Medicare
Speaker 2: negotiations for drug prices will even kick in, like all
Speaker 2: of these things, and then you're like, oh shit, we're
Speaker 2: gonna lose. And then Biden's out there hobbling away and
Speaker 2: then his leg starts to straighten out, and this bitch
Speaker 2: that's actually him. You know, if I had money to
Speaker 2: do this sketch, I would, because this is what it's
Speaker 2: you do.
Speaker 3: You could do it a I probably you know, yeah,
Speaker 3: you actually probably could.
Speaker 4: I'm sharing it. I'm glaring.
Speaker 3: Guy.
Speaker 5: I was actually pretty ted. I don't know if you've
Speaker 5: heard about it, but.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it could watch I'll probably cook some up by
Speaker 3: the end of the episode, you can check it out.
Speaker 3: But yeah, no, it is. It is so, I mean
Speaker 3: because you also look at the polling like it was
Speaker 3: its highest. When he's like, hey man, y'all need some checks, right,
Speaker 3: you'll need some material support. And then everything that expired,
Speaker 3: it's like you can tie a fucking ribbon to like
Speaker 3: the poles going down with every with every bit of
Speaker 3: social safety net and every bit of support that was
Speaker 3: coming out dwindling and turning into dust. And that's when
Speaker 3: it's like, yeah, and we've hit bottom because now like
Speaker 3: y'all are on your own anyway. So I'm going to
Speaker 3: be running in a couple of years, So just a
Speaker 3: quick preview, I.
Speaker 2: Like, have this this black woman run, pick my flaming
Speaker 2: pile of dog shit of a campaign off the ground,
Speaker 2: and if she.
Speaker 3: Does a very last second, we can all blame woke.
Speaker 5: Yeah right he yeah, he threw up his hands and
Speaker 5: was like, what am I supposed to do? Like, my
Speaker 5: hands are tied. I'm only the president of the United States.
Speaker 5: And then we're surprised that they lost. He lost and
Speaker 5: his administration lost to a strong man who's like I
Speaker 5: fuck that, you know, like and then like one of
Speaker 5: the things that Trump indexed the best with is just
Speaker 5: like can change things, can like do strong leadership, can
Speaker 5: do a strong leadership.
Speaker 3: Did you see those things? Like when AOC posted like
Speaker 3: she asked people who split their ticket why they did that,
Speaker 3: and so many people were like, I don't know, Trump's different.
Speaker 3: But then I voted blue so that people could put
Speaker 3: the brakes on whatever Trump tried to do. But like that,
Speaker 3: like that thinking was so much like change it at
Speaker 3: the top, but at least put breaks in the form
Speaker 3: of a demo, like of voting in democrats, and then
Speaker 3: it Yeah, it's just such a completely different world that
Speaker 3: voters are living. And then again these consultants who are
Speaker 3: saying stuff like ignore the polling that says people don't
Speaker 3: understand that the Biden economy is not working for them.
Speaker 4: They're right there, actually good shit, Like there's so.
Speaker 3: Much of that, Oh, you're good, you're good, don't worry
Speaker 3: about them, don't worry about them, going more to this,
Speaker 3: don't war. They're fucking it's all fucking good. And that's
Speaker 3: what's like, So again, like this new like the other
Speaker 3: genre of story that you see so much too is
Speaker 3: trying to go all in on well, all that shit
Speaker 3: of like being considerate of people's needs and like marginalized groups,
Speaker 3: that's all out the window. That's fucking garbage. That's nothing,
Speaker 3: that doesn't that's again, so many of these arguments are
Speaker 3: just to avoid the fact that they weren't willing to
Speaker 3: really grapple with the real issues. And again that both
Speaker 3: parties are beholden to capital and so because of that,
Speaker 3: it's and the Democrats if they come off as like
Speaker 3: firefighters that aren't allowed to use water or talk about
Speaker 3: water to sell, They're like, yo, bro okay, man, we're
Speaker 3: gonna put this fire out. Trust us, And everyone's like yeah, man, water,
Speaker 3: water will help. They're like, ah, anything but that any
Speaker 3: other thing. Foam? Can we use foam? Can we maybe
Speaker 3: use some chemicals to put in Like no, no, no,
Speaker 3: water that's really good, Like nah, fuck that because that'll
Speaker 3: fuck up. Shut the fuck up. We can't talk about
Speaker 3: that solution because that actually that upsets the entire balance
Speaker 3: of power that we're there to protect. So it just
Speaker 3: looks foolish when from the outside you're like deliver for
Speaker 3: people are fucking hurting, But then the people that are
Speaker 3: running there's a thing right, most people at the heights
Speaker 3: of democratic leadership that they just do not understand. There's
Speaker 3: a specific sense of pain and fucking hopelessness that comes
Speaker 3: along with being in a group of truly oppressed or
Speaker 3: marginalized people. That that's something that your class in race
Speaker 3: typically insulates you from. Not to say that you are
Speaker 3: completely insulated just based on that, but for the people
Speaker 3: that rise to those heights either they maybe they experienced
Speaker 3: it for a little bit, but for too long they
Speaker 3: have not felt that pain and hopelessness that normal that
Speaker 3: regular people feel when they look at things like their income,
Speaker 3: how do they make sure their kids are going to
Speaker 3: be educated, what's their healthcare look like? All that shit,
Speaker 3: and it's a feeling of injustice that crushes you because
Speaker 3: you see no way to get that weight off. So
Speaker 3: acknowledging these forces is what brings people together in a
Speaker 3: powerful way that actually supersedes so many other versions of
Speaker 3: how people identify. They're like, damn, yeah, I do feel
Speaker 3: that shit, there is something deeper that I'm feeling. But
Speaker 3: again they only offer like empty words of solidarity and
Speaker 3: then act like super confused at the end of the
Speaker 3: day when none of that shit worked and I just
Speaker 3: think that that's a huge part of like another part
Speaker 3: of the disconnect that there is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think, you know, the question is like
Speaker 2: what's the water right what can't we say? Is it
Speaker 2: economic populism or is it also being able to just
Speaker 2: name that This is not about left or right.
Speaker 4: This is about a you know, a war between the
Speaker 4: haves and the have not. This is class war.
Speaker 2: This is about billionaires versus the rest of us. And
Speaker 2: not being able to name corporate capture and not being
Speaker 2: able to name the billionaire class is It's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's like, you're right, We're running this fucking campaign, like
Speaker 2: we're playing a game of taboo and we have to,
Speaker 2: you know, avoid saying all the things that actually galvanize people.
Speaker 2: And what's so frustrating is like you allowed a party
Speaker 2: to win on perceived grievances trans people in sports or
Speaker 2: whatever the hell perceive grief, the white race, and decline
Speaker 2: men not having enough rights when you have all of
Speaker 2: these legitimate grievances that are very real that you can't
Speaker 2: even name. I mean, I think the other thing about
Speaker 2: the Democratic Party that I think, you know, Trump is awful,
Speaker 2: but he is at least honest about the amount of
Speaker 2: cynicism that Americans have about our country. The Democrats have
Speaker 2: to be honest about that cynicism and about that desperation.
Speaker 2: Otherwise they're just in fucking la la land, and it
Speaker 2: feels like they're not serious about anything. So that is
Speaker 2: just amazing to me. Like, and again, not only that,
Speaker 2: but I know when we're going to talk about this,
Speaker 2: but like your lessons from your James Carvill's and your
Speaker 2: Joe Scarborough's and all these other fucking former Republicans. I
Speaker 2: don't know if Carville was, but might as well have been.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 4: It's like, well, we were two woke. So once again
Speaker 4: you're gonna hit the already oppressed communities again and again
Speaker 4: and again and again, and you're like.
Speaker 3: Leave them is what the mess? You leave them? Leave
Speaker 3: them behind, leave them behind? No fuck no, no, no.
Speaker 5: It's while that they Yeah, they were running in a
Speaker 5: campaign that if you focused on corporate capture, corporations and billionaires,
Speaker 5: like billionaires are the most obvious bad guys. And you're
Speaker 5: running against a billionaire, yes, who is like more funded
Speaker 5: by billionaires than ever, and you just squandered that opportunity
Speaker 5: by like not even naming like there are some things
Speaker 5: that the Democrats do where they'll like name a thing
Speaker 5: that they know is bad, like racism, and you know,
Speaker 5: and but then or like they'll say hope and change
Speaker 5: and actually not do hope and change, but like they
Speaker 5: wouldn't even say the billion like other outside of like
Speaker 5: the Sanders campaign, they wouldn't even really make that a focus,
Speaker 5: you know, like they just wouldn't do it because it's yeah,
Speaker 5: too damaging to the donors. And so they outraised allegedly
Speaker 5: and got completely killed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and obviously I don't know how much we're going
Speaker 2: to talk about it, but it's like, you know, you
Speaker 2: look at the numbers. The numbers aren't that crazy. It
Speaker 2: wasn't a you know, it wasn't a sweep. It was
Speaker 2: just a couple million people not showing up.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, but yeah, I mean that's another one that
Speaker 5: we've kind of talked about a lot already, but would
Speaker 5: love to have your Yet, you know, the America's shifted
Speaker 5: towards Republicans, and now Democrats need to start being cruel
Speaker 5: to minority groups like that.
Speaker 4: We we we love.
Speaker 2: Trump wants diet diet stuff. You know, It's like, but
Speaker 2: nobody else wants the diet version, I mean meaning coke.
Speaker 2: I can't make that joke work. But you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying, It's just nobody.
Speaker 3: Call that crack exactly. Yeah, that's a push a t bar.
Speaker 3: All right, let's uh, let's take a quick break.
Speaker 5: We'll come back. We'll talk about who Trump's pick for
Speaker 5: borders are is and other ship that we should be
Speaker 5: specifically concerned about. We'll be right back, and we're back.
Speaker 3: We're back.
Speaker 5: And wait, Francesca, what are you actually do you have
Speaker 5: some belief in the like stolen election conspiracy theories?
Speaker 3: If I'll say this, if some if some actual evidence
Speaker 3: came out, I go, go on, I'm listening.
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, it's all about the actual evidence. I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm someone who doesn't I think that the truth does matter. Right, Like,
Speaker 2: so I'm someone who I'm a leftist who thinks that
Speaker 2: the Democratic Party used the Russia stuff as an excuse.
Speaker 2: But I also believe the Russia stuff was real. The
Speaker 2: Donald Trump president campaign colluded with Russia, back channeled through
Speaker 2: Roger Stone and Paul Manniford, who met with Julian Assange.
Speaker 4: Like that stuff is real. It is real. That ra
Speaker 4: was a funnel for massive amounts of dark money from
Speaker 4: Russian oligarchs into the Trump coffers whatever, like, I think
Speaker 4: it's important. The problem was when you're like, why did
Speaker 4: I get her started on this? The problem was when
Speaker 4: you know, Republican Robert Muller was seen as this fucking hero,
Speaker 4: this bitch not gonna do anything. He found that there
Speaker 4: was a collusion, and he recommended no penalty because he's
Speaker 4: the president ultimately at the end of the day. So
Speaker 4: that's my thing is like, no matter us finding the
Speaker 4: truth truth, maybe there was Starlink satellites doing some weird stuff.
Speaker 4: Shouldn't we know how much and to what extent? And
Speaker 4: if this is ridiculous, you're not. That doesn't take away
Speaker 4: from the fact that this still was a loss from
Speaker 4: the Democrats. I mean Greg Pallas, investigative journalists, always says,
Speaker 4: you have to overwhelm the steel as Democrats. You have
Speaker 4: to you know, the voters are gonna get purged, you know,
Speaker 4: namely black Americans in the South, they are going to
Speaker 4: be a you know, barred from voting. You got to
Speaker 4: vote so much that you overwhelm the steel. Yeah, that's
Speaker 4: not that's very unjust. At the end of the day,
Speaker 4: like if things were stolen, we should know. So yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm like five percent in at this point, but if
Speaker 4: I see more evidence.
Speaker 5: Yeah, with the Russian stuff, I feel like it's similar
Speaker 5: to some of the things we were talking about earlier
Speaker 5: with Democrats poisoning their own brand, where like there was
Speaker 5: it did prove the incredible power of social media and
Speaker 5: like all these you know, back channels and just like
Speaker 5: things that aren't evident to the mainstream media or just
Speaker 5: like evident to people at all, that are happening on
Speaker 5: social media that are really hard to uh police. But
Speaker 5: it became the Russia stuff, you know, and like Muller,
Speaker 5: you know, fucking up the investigation and ultimately it becomes
Speaker 5: something that like doesn't actually hold water as like a
Speaker 5: thing that the Democrats can complain about or focus on.
Speaker 5: And I think we're now in a place with this
Speaker 5: world of like tech oligarchs like having a huge part
Speaker 5: in the election that just happened.
Speaker 2: I mean, also, we know every accusation is a confession.
Speaker 2: So when Marjorie Taylor Green is like, you know, the
Speaker 2: Rothschild space laser or you know, Sydney Powell was was
Speaker 2: saying like Italy Gate, where satellites flip votes for you know,
Speaker 2: from from to Biden in twenty twenty and you're like,
Speaker 2: that's so silly.
Speaker 5: Wait a minute, wait, why are they saying that?
Speaker 4: I remember imaginative right right, so.
Speaker 3: To satellite overthrow election.
Speaker 5: All right, So just in terms of like things to
Speaker 5: keep our eye on in the coming Trump administration, man.
Speaker 4: I'm calling him who man?
Speaker 5: Yeah, oh I like it.
Speaker 3: Use a hole man.
Speaker 5: Obviously, the mass deportation promise that the Trump administration has
Speaker 5: made like day one is at the near the top
Speaker 5: of everybody's list. And Trump has announced that his borders
Speaker 5: are will be Tom ho Man, his former acting head
Speaker 5: of ICE, who was quote one of the architects behind
Speaker 5: the family separation policy. He began heading ICE during the
Speaker 5: Obama administration, which is when the Obama administration broke all
Speaker 5: sorts of deportation records. And he had previously said that
Speaker 5: if Trump is re elected, they ain't seen shit yet.
Speaker 5: Wait until twenty twenty five, they ain't seen shit.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I told him that at a dinner.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's always more scum in the Trump orbit. That
Speaker 2: usually again scum from other administrations, Bid administration and scum too.
Speaker 2: But it's so funny that this person was part of
Speaker 2: the Obama administration and help them, you know him deport
Speaker 2: you know, be the deporter in chief, which, by the way,
Speaker 2: was all a product of the fact that he wasn't
Speaker 2: willing to dismantle what George W. Bush had created and
Speaker 2: set up post War on terror, Like if he had
Speaker 2: done that, then the mechanisms to deport people wouldn't have
Speaker 2: been there.
Speaker 4: But I digress. You know, I've been debating right wingers
Speaker 4: and they'll all be like, you know, Pere's morgan to
Speaker 4: say to be able to Obama was a deporter in chief. Oh,
Speaker 4: And I was like, yeah, that was bad.
Speaker 2: And then then you turn around and embrace the same guy.
Speaker 2: And again this is just it is, it's laughing in
Speaker 2: all of our faces. There is no left right, there
Speaker 2: is no blue red. These are the same ghouls day
Speaker 2: and in day, and yeah they're working against the majority
Speaker 2: of us.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. This is I mean coupling
Speaker 3: that too with like Stephen Miller, you know, teenager and
Speaker 3: Ninja Gebel's own fucking quote to be like, there's gonna
Speaker 3: be a turbocharged operation to denaturalize people, which is my
Speaker 3: mother is a naturalized American citizen, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: like many many of us who have immigrant parents there
Speaker 3: they are naturalized US citizens, and that is a very
Speaker 3: grim thing to like wrap your head around about being
Speaker 3: like what the fuck I know, and like I think
Speaker 3: and a lot of people who voted are doing things
Speaker 3: like well, they're gonna go after the bad people first, yeah, first, right,
Speaker 3: and then they then they make their way down the list.
Speaker 3: I mean, unless they are going to deport Milania, in
Speaker 3: which case there's that's a great maybe policy for Trump's
Speaker 3: divorce or whatever. But that's like that is the just
Speaker 3: the just like the hard truth of it all that
Speaker 3: like having to really wrap your mind around these things
Speaker 3: is really fucking it's un settling. And for all the
Speaker 3: people too, who's whose families come here in whatever capacity
Speaker 3: they do, and to think of how that's going to
Speaker 3: completely destroy that, I think is something that were I
Speaker 3: don't know. He also feels like one of those policies
Speaker 3: were Republicans like yeah, we're gonna do that, and they're like, wait,
Speaker 3: that's my wife right right exactly.
Speaker 5: He's suggested that politicians who limit cooperation with ICE should
Speaker 5: be charged with crimes. Publicly warned immigrants you should look
Speaker 5: over your shoulder and you need to be worried, and
Speaker 5: sometimes referred to undocumented immigrants as quote tunks while he
Speaker 5: was in Washington. According to two former DHS officials, people
Speaker 5: familiar with the terms say it is border patrol slang
Speaker 5: that comes from the sound made when hitting someone over
Speaker 5: the head with a flashlighter baton. So he denied using
Speaker 5: the term and said he hadn't heard it in years.
Speaker 3: Oh that is such a weird denial. I know, hi,
Speaker 3: did you?
Speaker 5: Sir?
Speaker 3: Did you? Is the n word? I heard that in
Speaker 3: years for weeks. Huh.
Speaker 4: He said in front of Congress, you should look over
Speaker 4: your shoulder, like this is what I'm saying. These motherfuckers
Speaker 4: relish in the fascism. They're so excited to do this stuff.
Speaker 2: And the problem is, remember the first administration, we were
Speaker 2: all like, okay, well, the silver lining is he's disorganized,
Speaker 2: you know, and he wishes he were Mussolini or Hitler
Speaker 2: in the way that it was like as if the
Speaker 2: trains are going to run on time. First of all,
Speaker 2: number one, what trains in America? But number two, you know,
Speaker 2: like everything's it will be chaotic. But also you don't
Speaker 2: have to be cruelty is the point. The point isn't
Speaker 2: necessarily to be exacting, it is to be cruel. It is,
Speaker 2: to my earlier point, to be a gang. It's like, no,
Speaker 2: we're going to be a narco state as well. We're
Speaker 2: going to be the cletocratic. Yeah, and if and if
Speaker 2: it also means open season on you know, in it
Speaker 2: men or people on the board or who are militia
Speaker 2: who happen to take matters into their own hands because
Speaker 2: they're they're waiting for Trump administration to staff up, to
Speaker 2: say nothing of the kinds of people who would then
Speaker 2: be fold into CBP. As if CBP is not already
Speaker 2: a reckless, lawless organization in and of itself with some
Speaker 2: of the most extremeist members. I know, I'm this is
Speaker 2: very depressing.
Speaker 4: It's too hard to talk about it, but you know, yeah,
Speaker 4: no right, buckles, all your neighbors.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's and it truly is like I feel like
Speaker 3: some of the quotes that you hear too truly do
Speaker 3: feel just they are they want to exert as much
Speaker 3: stress and fear are and inspire as much fear from
Speaker 3: people as possible. And like party, You're like, that's is
Speaker 3: that rhetorical? And then you're like hmm. This person is
Speaker 3: pretty bout it, like in terms of like what their
Speaker 3: entire career has spelled out, and that they were like
Speaker 3: too extreme for some organizations and now are like finding
Speaker 3: a home in the Trump organization. It's yeah, it's yeah,
Speaker 3: you're just speechless, you know. And I think that's going
Speaker 3: to be a really interesting part too, is to see
Speaker 3: how many people are able to connect the cruelty policy
Speaker 3: wise to what happened in this election, or if some
Speaker 3: people are going to. I mean, that's the thing, is
Speaker 3: like how many people are going to be able to
Speaker 3: look at what's happening and either explain it away in
Speaker 3: their head so they don't have to engage with it,
Speaker 3: or actually begin to understand like the actual threat that
Speaker 3: this poses for everyone, because I think America still has
Speaker 3: that thing where like all of the terrible shit in
Speaker 3: our society is like mold on the corner of a
Speaker 3: bread loaf, but people live on the opposite end of
Speaker 3: the bread loaf, and they're like, yeah, that shit's over there,
Speaker 3: that's for that, without understanding how mold proliferates and eventually
Speaker 3: reaches you.
Speaker 4: But the other side of the bread though, yeah, right,
Speaker 4: or the show.
Speaker 5: The other side of the bread I believe in.
Speaker 4: Just yet you just like cut off the moldy part, yeah,
Speaker 4: cut it off?
Speaker 3: Yeah yeahah yeah, yeah, maybe we can.
Speaker 4: I mean yeah Florida by yeah or just yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean just understanding how these policies are going to
Speaker 3: intersect with people's lives, and like I also just it's
Speaker 3: also really disheartening to hear I understand the anger people
Speaker 3: feel and they're like, well, I hope you get every
Speaker 3: single thing that you wanted Blue Maga yeah and yeah,
Speaker 3: and it's just gonna be like most people are going
Speaker 3: to experience some form of huge disruption and pain because
Speaker 3: of what is happening. So rather than like, don't think
Speaker 3: you're gonna be fine just because you're a Democrat or
Speaker 3: some shit like, that's completely absurd, and I think more
Speaker 3: people need to actually kind of think about what that means,
Speaker 3: like how we're going to have to like protect each other,
Speaker 3: not to say we need to go hug our maga neighbors,
Speaker 3: but that the actual support we need to offer each
Speaker 3: other as human beings that is going to be much
Speaker 3: more pronounced than previous eras that we've lived through.
Speaker 2: But it's crazy because it's like I have like neighbors,
Speaker 2: you know, two doors down who I was saying, like, well,
Speaker 2: I don't know if I told you guys that has
Speaker 2: a MAGA flag and like their daughters will sometimes sit
Speaker 2: for my kid. And I'm just like, oh no, and
Speaker 2: I didn't see that, you know, the MAGA flag. The
Speaker 2: girls aren't responsible obviously, But then right in front is like,
Speaker 2: you know this Latino elder Latino man, and I'm like, I,
Speaker 2: you know, just checked in with him to see what's
Speaker 2: going on. If he's good, he's yeah, you know, everyone's nervous.
Speaker 2: You know, the California's just full of like you know,
Speaker 2: mixed status families in terms of immigration and and so
Speaker 2: it's like this can be you know, in one in
Speaker 2: one block, you can have that kind of you know, dissonance.
Speaker 2: And so I'm yet to approach the Maga neighbor to say, hey,
Speaker 2: if you need anything, you know, if the tariffs really
Speaker 2: come down hard on.
Speaker 4: You or.
Speaker 5: You know, I know, this could be really bad for you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'm thinking of all the all the
Speaker 2: homeowners trying to get like you know there there they're
Speaker 2: second homes remodeled, but there's going to be no day
Speaker 2: laborers to hire.
Speaker 4: Once they're all de Yeah, thinking about that, you.
Speaker 5: Think this is just bad for you, Think about them.
Speaker 3: We wanted a Cape Cod farmhouse type thing, and now
Speaker 3: we're just gonna have to deal with this ranch style.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Jesus.
Speaker 5: Well, Francesca, it's been wonderful having you on the show.
Speaker 5: Thank you so much for coming on talking about these
Speaker 5: difficult things at this difficult time. You're always so smart
Speaker 5: and really appreciated. I feel like I got smarter and
Speaker 5: maybe a little bit more hopeful having you on. So
Speaker 5: thanks for thank you for doing it where it right now.
Speaker 2: Well, I feel bad because I'm like, well, I ranted
Speaker 2: so much. We hardly got to a couple of stories.
Speaker 3: But well, I mean, but this is, this is where
Speaker 3: we're at. This feels like there's so much shit in
Speaker 3: Flux right now. I don't know how like we like,
Speaker 3: everyone just needs to articulate whatever they're feeling. I think
Speaker 3: that's the only way through this very early period that
Speaker 3: we're in. So yeah, I mean what I mean, Yeah,
Speaker 3: we can focus on more of this specific horrible ship
Speaker 3: that's up the road.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, yeah, that's what I'm just like,
Speaker 2: you know, everybody needs to find something that's like generative
Speaker 2: and makes them feel good, like even moments where you're
Speaker 2: not I mean, plug into the news.
Speaker 4: Listen to this show, listen to my show, the Situation Room.
Speaker 2: I was gonna plug that because you were leading to
Speaker 2: that situation Room trying to have like comedians and experts
Speaker 2: and activists on.
Speaker 4: But also like do shit that like is good for
Speaker 4: you and you people around you. I feel like that
Speaker 4: we have to reclaim that well, also resisting, but not
Speaker 4: in I don't know, in a way that feels healthy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Any anything else? Any any other
Speaker 5: places people should go to check you out besides the
Speaker 5: Situation Room?
Speaker 2: Yeah, just follow me on the social Franny fo f
Speaker 2: r A and I fio.
Speaker 5: And is there a work of media that you've been enjoying.
Speaker 2: I found something there's usually it's Instagram these days, but
Speaker 2: it is from inside History.
Speaker 4: Lots of followers. This one's for me.
Speaker 2: Really female frogs fake death to avoid unwonted attention from males.
Speaker 4: And it's just a frog.
Speaker 2: Like like just like I rolling up like looks like
Speaker 2: it's churning gray And I love that. I love the
Speaker 2: idea that you would just try to die before some
Speaker 2: guy approached you in a bar, it's like start joking
Speaker 2: on your own spit or just like have a heart attack. No,
Speaker 2: that would only incur like him to try to save you.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 5: I was like, does that work for the frogs?
Speaker 3: I feel did you take cyanide lady?
Speaker 2: Yeah, but the idea of yeah, I mean, I like,
Speaker 2: I guess my version of that would be kind of
Speaker 2: act crazy, like very erratic. Like if you're walking home
Speaker 2: late at night and you're a woman and you're alone,
Speaker 2: like just do a little zigzagging little like weird zombie movements.
Speaker 2: No one's gonna fuck with you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but good on Frogs.
Speaker 5: Miles, Where can people find you as their working media?
Speaker 3: You've been enjoying Twitter, Instagram, Blue Sky even Yeah, Miles
Speaker 3: of Gray. However you find that, follow me there. I
Speaker 3: literally haven't started following people there, but you know, you
Speaker 3: got to. You gotta make sure you're diversified in these
Speaker 3: social media days. Also find Jacket on the basketball podcasts
Speaker 3: with Jacko, mad Boosti's and you can find Sofia, Alexander
Speaker 3: and I talking about ninety day Fiance. As you kind
Speaker 3: of heard in the last episode on four twenty Day Fiance.
Speaker 3: You know, in terms of like the media. I'm just
Speaker 3: I'm just really just watching music, watching a lot of
Speaker 3: musical performances, arts self expression. So the Colors Show is
Speaker 3: always a great watch on YouTube and you always find
Speaker 3: amazing artists doing that. So just do that because honestly,
Speaker 3: social media, like I can't like it's it's fucking ridiculous
Speaker 3: right now.
Speaker 4: The Color Show Is this something you enjoy with your
Speaker 4: little one?
Speaker 3: Yeah, cause it's cool. It's just like it's just a
Speaker 3: live It's like artists performing in front of like like
Speaker 3: a one color backdrop and it's just them on a
Speaker 3: mic and it's just super simple. But usually like when
Speaker 3: the performances are good, they're so good. It's just you
Speaker 3: can just see their energy as a performer in a
Speaker 3: way that's like just very simple and easy to understand.
Speaker 5: I love it. Yeah. Uh you can find me on
Speaker 5: Twitter at Jack Underscore O'Brien uh tweet I've been enjoying.
Speaker 5: Kate Lowell oh No tweeted kettle chips are great because
Speaker 5: the crunch is louder than my thoughts. That's a useful
Speaker 5: tool for all of us to having our arsenal Arsenal
Speaker 5: you can find arsenal mouth. There's one for you.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 5: we post our episodes and our footnotes. We link off
Speaker 5: to the information that we talked about in today's episode,
Speaker 5: as well as a song that we think you might
Speaker 5: enjoy mill as well. Song do you think people might enjoy.
Speaker 3: Again, I'm in my West Coast Bag, I'm in my
Speaker 3: La Bag. Doci is such a dope artist who's killing
Speaker 3: it right now. Their new album is out too. We
Speaker 3: went out out on a track I think Nissan all
Speaker 3: Them a while back. But she also did a Colors
Speaker 3: Show performance of her song Stressed and that one again.
Speaker 3: People don't realize how lyrically nice Doci is. You must
Speaker 3: get familiar because she is spitting Magma. Okay, that's that's
Speaker 3: heat rocks. So this is Stressed a Colors Show Magma,
Speaker 3: Magma m A g m A Yes, molten rock. Yes,
Speaker 3: this is Stressed from a Colors Show. It's available for
Speaker 3: most streaming platforms, but really check out the YouTube version
Speaker 3: because when you watch her like actually rap, it's trans
Speaker 3: it's it will it will you will you will It's transported,
Speaker 3: you will go It's transcendent. Okay, you will go somewhere else.
Speaker 3: So anyway, stressed doci a color show. Check it out.
Speaker 3: D O E C H I I.
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Speaker 3: Bye bye