WEBVTT - Draft Show: Combine Snubs; Top 5 By Position 0:00:08.440 --> 0:00:13.120 He's the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft shows, your war 0:00:13.240 --> 0:00:16.840 room for insider news and draft analysis from deep within 0:00:16.920 --> 0:00:20.160 the confines of Cowboys Headquarters at Valley Rant. The Dallas 0:00:20.160 --> 0:00:24.920 Cowboys Selection by Rand Joe and now your hosts Dame Brugler, 0:00:25.280 --> 0:00:29.840 David Hellman, and Brian brought us. We're back here in 0:00:29.880 --> 0:00:34.000 the SWBC Mortgage studios for another edition of the Draft Show. 0:00:34.880 --> 0:00:37.760 So happy that everyone out there can join us. Brian 0:00:37.840 --> 0:00:41.839 brought us along with Dame Brugler from CBS Sports and 0:00:42.040 --> 0:00:46.600 Dallas Cowboys dot Com. Also joined back by David Hellman. 0:00:47.000 --> 0:00:51.159 Hey from a little vacation down in Uh, don't say 0:00:51.200 --> 0:00:53.720 it the Big Easy, Okay, that's fine. Thought he was 0:00:53.760 --> 0:00:57.040 on assignment. I he was on assignment until you kind 0:00:57.040 --> 0:00:59.120 of ratted him out for being in Mardi Gras. Is 0:00:59.120 --> 0:01:01.920 that me New York? Yeah, it was. It was Taylor. 0:01:01.960 --> 0:01:04.679 I listened to Taylor Radio. All right, Dad, I'm sorry 0:01:04.680 --> 0:01:07.440 about that, but nice to have you back. David. Thanks, 0:01:07.800 --> 0:01:10.720 and we're gonna get into some draft coverage. Kent Garrison 0:01:10.800 --> 0:01:13.920 producing the show, Executive producing the show as he is 0:01:14.040 --> 0:01:18.479 always and we appreciate his efforts. Uh want to get 0:01:18.520 --> 0:01:20.520 into some things that I kind of take the show 0:01:20.520 --> 0:01:22.560 around a little bit. Uh you know, we've been talking 0:01:22.680 --> 0:01:25.080 about a lot of the top players and stuff like that. 0:01:25.760 --> 0:01:27.839 One at some point time getting the show maybe about 0:01:27.840 --> 0:01:30.040 the little some guys in the middle of the draft. 0:01:30.080 --> 0:01:32.039 Maybe I also want to get in though. You know, 0:01:32.160 --> 0:01:37.440 Mayock put in his top five per position and I 0:01:37.440 --> 0:01:39.960 thought maybe we would dive into our top five as well. 0:01:40.040 --> 0:01:41.959 But uh, you know, we talk in talk about some 0:01:42.000 --> 0:01:43.679 top guys, but I want to get down, go through 0:01:43.720 --> 0:01:46.560 the board and talk about some guys maybe in the 0:01:46.600 --> 0:01:50.360 middle rounds of this draft. Everybody's very familiar with some 0:01:50.400 --> 0:01:52.480 of the top names, but let's let's give guys an 0:01:52.480 --> 0:01:54.320 idea maybe in that. You know, because we've been seeing 0:01:54.360 --> 0:01:57.920 I know, the guys I've been working with with Jeff Kavanaugh, 0:01:58.040 --> 0:02:00.800 and and and Kevin Turner. You know you came in 0:02:00.880 --> 0:02:02.680 last night watch film when this Day was in there 0:02:02.680 --> 0:02:07.320 for part of the time. We're starting to see those fourth, fifth, 0:02:07.520 --> 0:02:10.160 sixth round type of players. So I need to put 0:02:10.200 --> 0:02:12.799 some names out there. Saw a very interesting defensive end 0:02:12.800 --> 0:02:15.520 from app State last night. Yes, we did, a lot 0:02:15.520 --> 0:02:18.760 of people need to get on him. We'll put Dane 0:02:18.960 --> 0:02:20.640 and I give you guys credit because you guys are 0:02:20.680 --> 0:02:22.960 in here every night, grind in the film till wee 0:02:23.000 --> 0:02:25.880 hours of the night, putting the work in. And yeah, 0:02:26.080 --> 0:02:30.040 last night I did some work on Ronald Blair, Yeah, 0:02:30.120 --> 0:02:32.600 defensive end for app State. Did some work on him 0:02:32.600 --> 0:02:35.119 a couple of months ago, the two tapes that I had, 0:02:35.600 --> 0:02:38.000 I thought this a nice player, third round player. We 0:02:38.040 --> 0:02:40.600 watched him last night, the full cut up, including against 0:02:40.639 --> 0:02:45.840 Clemson Clemson, right, not just FCS competition, and he was unblockable. Yeah, 0:02:45.880 --> 0:02:48.320 this is a player that wins the point of attack. 0:02:48.520 --> 0:02:53.040 He penetrates gaps, he used his length, his quickness, his 0:02:53.160 --> 0:02:57.120 effort is unrelenting. There's just so much to like about 0:02:57.120 --> 0:03:00.519 this player that you know, you look at the board 0:03:00.600 --> 0:03:03.080 and it's not a great pass rush group this Ye, 0:03:03.160 --> 0:03:05.519 that's that's kind of that. I like what the direction 0:03:05.600 --> 0:03:08.399 you're taking. So, you know, how early can we see 0:03:08.400 --> 0:03:10.720 a player like this going that shows this type of potential. Now, 0:03:10.760 --> 0:03:12.520 obviously we need to do more work on him. Why 0:03:12.600 --> 0:03:14.960 is he at app State? Is that you know Georgia 0:03:15.040 --> 0:03:17.520 kid need to talk to uh, you know, some coaches, 0:03:17.520 --> 0:03:19.480 some teammates figure out a little bit more about him, 0:03:19.880 --> 0:03:22.440 dive more in, but just on talent. We're talking a 0:03:22.480 --> 0:03:25.440 second round player, absolutely, And I tell you what I 0:03:25.480 --> 0:03:28.639 was in pressing, And the point you make is Ronald 0:03:28.639 --> 0:03:30.800 Blair was doing it against the team playing for the 0:03:30.880 --> 0:03:34.600 national championship this year. Yeah, I mean he was splitting blocks, 0:03:34.680 --> 0:03:38.680 beating blocks, getting captured in the edge, attacking plays to 0:03:38.720 --> 0:03:42.640 the outside. Effort was outstanding. He's a He's a six 0:03:43.080 --> 0:03:46.520 two and a half two hundred and seventy two pound player. 0:03:46.760 --> 0:03:49.320 He is the length though four yea, he is. He 0:03:49.440 --> 0:03:51.960 is a very interesting player. And so again that's we'll 0:03:51.960 --> 0:03:53.400 get into some of those names. So I'm glad you 0:03:53.440 --> 0:03:55.920 brought him up and you said he's a he was 0:03:55.960 --> 0:03:59.080 at Georgia. No, No, he's from Georgia, from Georgia, State 0:03:59.120 --> 0:04:01.280 of Georgia. We were the first question that came into 0:04:01.280 --> 0:04:03.280 my mind. And this is something that I learned a 0:04:03.320 --> 0:04:06.000 long time ago, and that you always want to find 0:04:06.040 --> 0:04:08.040 out the story of the player. He always and I 0:04:08.040 --> 0:04:10.800 always ask where's this guy from? Where's he from? And 0:04:10.840 --> 0:04:13.280 I'm you know, this, this might be a case, guys 0:04:13.280 --> 0:04:16.919 of just misrecruiting. This might be sure. The fact that 0:04:17.160 --> 0:04:20.240 you know and some people you know, Kevin Turner last 0:04:20.320 --> 0:04:23.200 night was talking about that, you know they have It 0:04:23.279 --> 0:04:26.279 was a specific major that he had at app State 0:04:26.720 --> 0:04:28.720 and he was interested and he's been a four year 0:04:28.760 --> 0:04:31.320 starter there. Right. Well, the best part about the draft 0:04:31.360 --> 0:04:34.839 process for me is finding out the journey that all 0:04:34.880 --> 0:04:37.719 of these kids take to get to this juncture because 0:04:37.839 --> 0:04:40.400 it's it's there's snow flicks. No two are the same, 0:04:40.760 --> 0:04:42.800 you know, whether a kid was a five star coming 0:04:42.880 --> 0:04:46.200 up in high school or a no star, just that journey, 0:04:46.240 --> 0:04:48.560 you know, all the different wrinkles until they get to 0:04:48.600 --> 0:04:50.719 this point. Look at Carson Wentz, one of the best 0:04:50.760 --> 0:04:53.479 quarterbacks in this draft right playing at North Dakota State. 0:04:53.480 --> 0:04:55.400 Well why is that? Well, okay, well he heard his 0:04:55.480 --> 0:04:57.799 arm as junior year, didn't play quarterback, didn't play quarterback 0:04:57.839 --> 0:05:00.200 till the senior year. And so I mean, each each 0:05:00.279 --> 0:05:02.800 kid has a journey, has a story exactly. And so 0:05:02.920 --> 0:05:05.479 for Ronald Blair, we're still figuring out the story. But 0:05:05.560 --> 0:05:07.800 the tape, yeah, the tape, the tape is very good. 0:05:07.800 --> 0:05:11.560 And again the Draft Show, our job is to investigate 0:05:11.680 --> 0:05:14.840 and then Dane educate And that's what we're gonna try 0:05:14.880 --> 0:05:16.560 and do for you here. And if you have the 0:05:16.600 --> 0:05:19.720 opportunity and you can get ahold of the Clemson game. 0:05:19.839 --> 0:05:23.640 Somehow app State versus Clemson this year. Uh check out 0:05:23.839 --> 0:05:27.360 number forty nine rushing for app ston't be able to 0:05:27.360 --> 0:05:28.880 miss him. You won't. And I'll tell you what I thought. 0:05:28.880 --> 0:05:30.680 App State played well in that game too. They did. 0:05:30.720 --> 0:05:32.880 They got after they put a few guys on defrond 0:05:32.920 --> 0:05:35.040 they know they know that and whatn't know and whenn't 0:05:35.040 --> 0:05:37.839 surprise Avious they got after they got after Clemson. They've 0:05:37.839 --> 0:05:39.960 got a safety that's not bad, Doug Middleton. I mean 0:05:40.120 --> 0:05:42.640 a few guys that app State is FBS. Now are 0:05:42.640 --> 0:05:45.960 they climbed up? Yeah? They are, and they are their 0:05:45.960 --> 0:05:47.520 first year in the Sun Belt. They had a pretty 0:05:47.520 --> 0:05:49.400 good season. I think they had nine wins something like that. 0:05:49.480 --> 0:05:52.480 So a good program. Nice job there. Okay, Uh, there's 0:05:52.520 --> 0:05:53.919 a couple of ways you could get a hold of 0:05:54.040 --> 0:05:57.039 us on this show. We do a thing, uh from 0:05:57.120 --> 0:05:59.160 Ed K. Hill that created a long time ago called 0:05:59.640 --> 0:06:02.479 Twitter on the twenty. I always appreciate his contribution to 0:06:02.560 --> 0:06:05.200 this show. There's a way also you can call us 0:06:05.240 --> 0:06:07.440 at eight eight eight eight five five two two nine seven. 0:06:07.440 --> 0:06:09.120 That'll be on the side of the screen right here. 0:06:09.680 --> 0:06:12.159 We'll take some calls. Always interested in what you folks 0:06:12.200 --> 0:06:15.479 have to offer. Always interested in your opinion on what 0:06:15.560 --> 0:06:17.719 you have on players. Maybe have some questions for Dave 0:06:17.760 --> 0:06:20.800 and Dane and myself. I want to get into because 0:06:20.800 --> 0:06:23.680 we got the Combine on the horizon as well, and 0:06:23.800 --> 0:06:27.000 I want to get in Dane. On CBS Sports, the 0:06:27.040 --> 0:06:30.520 Combine list came out and yes, last night we were 0:06:30.520 --> 0:06:35.280 going through some guys that snubs. Yeah, you know, and 0:06:35.320 --> 0:06:37.800 again as I'm looking at the I'm looking at the 0:06:37.800 --> 0:06:41.520 website here at CBS, Dane Burglar has it up, and 0:06:41.560 --> 0:06:44.719 I just want to go through, Dane a couple of 0:06:44.720 --> 0:06:47.400 those and maybe highlights some positions, maybe the two or 0:06:47.440 --> 0:06:50.240 three guys that you felt like. Again, the articles up 0:06:50.240 --> 0:06:52.279 for you to go and read, but maybe some guys 0:06:52.279 --> 0:06:55.960 that you felt like though really really did get snubbed. Yeah, 0:06:55.960 --> 0:06:58.520 And every year we have these types of guys. I mean, 0:06:58.520 --> 0:07:01.960 they're three hundred and thirty two players invited to the Combine. 0:07:02.240 --> 0:07:04.120 There's two hundred and fifty five draft picks. So a 0:07:04.160 --> 0:07:06.000 lot of these guys that invited the Combine will not 0:07:06.040 --> 0:07:08.440 get drafted. But then you also factor in last year 0:07:08.640 --> 0:07:11.320 there were forty one players who were not invited to 0:07:11.320 --> 0:07:14.360 the Combine. Who were drafted, right, So I mean if 0:07:14.360 --> 0:07:18.480 he's page yeah, it's about sixteen percent. I believe it's 0:07:18.520 --> 0:07:20.360 that's somebody can do the numbers. Well, it's one of 0:07:20.360 --> 0:07:22.800 those things where if with these players, even if you 0:07:22.800 --> 0:07:25.560 don't get that invite, the you know your journey's not over. 0:07:25.600 --> 0:07:27.600 You still have a great chance. And for this year, 0:07:28.000 --> 0:07:30.320 those players that did not receive an invite that stand out. 0:07:30.680 --> 0:07:32.920 We watched one of the players last night, j Tavis 0:07:32.960 --> 0:07:37.600 Brown out of Akron. Really he's undersized and there's nothing 0:07:37.600 --> 0:07:43.200 he can do about that's maxed out there, not gonna 0:07:43.240 --> 0:07:46.720 get bigger. But he's fast. He plays the game with 0:07:46.760 --> 0:07:50.560 this speed that is consistent and also just it pops 0:07:50.600 --> 0:07:54.320 off the filmy his closing bursts, his pursuit speed um 0:07:54.440 --> 0:07:56.720 And so I think at worse with Tavis Brown, you're 0:07:56.760 --> 0:07:59.200 looking at a special teams type of guy. I don't know, 0:07:59.360 --> 0:08:00.960 it's gonna be tough for him to work his way 0:08:00.960 --> 0:08:03.480 into the starting lineup as as a linebacker due to 0:08:03.480 --> 0:08:05.320 his size. But I think at worse you're talking about 0:08:05.360 --> 0:08:07.560 a special teams guy. There are not three hundred and 0:08:07.600 --> 0:08:10.480 thirty two players better than Javis Bryan No, I totally 0:08:10.480 --> 0:08:12.160 agree with you on that, and I was impressed you 0:08:12.160 --> 0:08:15.240 brought him up. You talk about Akron and again this 0:08:15.280 --> 0:08:18.040 guy you know the Bowl game. I mean he was 0:08:18.120 --> 0:08:20.920 all over the place, and you know, you talk about 0:08:21.040 --> 0:08:25.080 guys that had have the the instincts, the awareness you know, 0:08:25.120 --> 0:08:27.640 when you're short in your a little bit underside you 0:08:27.720 --> 0:08:30.280 better he does. He's got the explosive but you better 0:08:30.320 --> 0:08:33.120 be smart, better compen better compensate, and that he can 0:08:33.160 --> 0:08:36.440 carry guys out of the backfield, he could take guys underneath, 0:08:36.480 --> 0:08:38.840 played the ball with off hand us all that. Again, 0:08:38.960 --> 0:08:41.920 he just slacks height, but he's gonna make every single tackle. Yeah, 0:08:41.960 --> 0:08:45.320 he's We've seen guys unless he's playing J. P. Ryan. Yeah, 0:08:45.480 --> 0:08:47.079 and then and then and then it's a little bit trouble. 0:08:47.320 --> 0:08:49.240 But you you talked to him about that. The Yeah, 0:08:49.360 --> 0:08:51.800 I did talk to Ja Tavis about that. He told 0:08:51.800 --> 0:08:53.560 me Pe Ryan is the toughest player he's ever played. 0:08:53.600 --> 0:08:55.960 And we found stop him a couplet on film. But 0:08:56.000 --> 0:08:57.520 for the most part, he mean mean, he makes a 0:08:57.600 --> 0:09:00.600 nine out of ten tackle. Okay, who else you got there? Well, 0:09:00.720 --> 0:09:03.640 you know a guy that played locally here TCU, Aaron 0:09:03.679 --> 0:09:07.240 Green saw him with the senior Yeah, he had a 0:09:07.240 --> 0:09:08.559 good week at the Senior Bowl. And this is a 0:09:08.600 --> 0:09:11.360 player in space. He's gonna make you miss. I mean, 0:09:11.480 --> 0:09:14.600 but any type of contact he's going down. He's kind 0:09:14.600 --> 0:09:16.080 of funny the way it is. He's kind of a 0:09:16.160 --> 0:09:17.640 runner and runner and then he makes it cut and 0:09:17.640 --> 0:09:19.480 then he kind of gets really small. And I thought 0:09:19.520 --> 0:09:21.360 he was, you know, a late round type of guy 0:09:21.520 --> 0:09:23.559 because he doesn't play with power, doesn't run with power, 0:09:23.760 --> 0:09:25.920 and in the NFL, you know, good luck. You know, 0:09:26.200 --> 0:09:28.640 he's not gonna give you much between the tackles, but 0:09:28.720 --> 0:09:30.719 he can catch the ball, right, So I thought, you know, 0:09:30.760 --> 0:09:32.560 maybe he's a third round role. He can, you know, 0:09:32.640 --> 0:09:36.560 carve out some type of shoulder block like a little 0:09:36.600 --> 0:09:38.560 flipper guy. He's not really a square up and he's 0:09:38.559 --> 0:09:40.640 about two hundred pounds and he's not gonna get much 0:09:40.640 --> 0:09:44.000 bigger than I either. So um, he's a poor man's Abdullah. 0:09:44.080 --> 0:09:46.439 And oh, it's actually his best friend because he started 0:09:46.480 --> 0:09:48.360 his career in Nebraska. You you kind of liked that 0:09:48.480 --> 0:09:50.079 Duela last year though, when that kind of win of 0:09:50.120 --> 0:09:52.520 your guys, I remembered, and I mean, I know he 0:09:52.840 --> 0:09:55.280 climbed as it went. I just remember being surprised that 0:09:55.320 --> 0:09:56.839 he was as high of a pick as he was 0:09:57.080 --> 0:09:59.360 second round pick. Right, we were talking about him as 0:09:59.400 --> 0:10:02.520 like a third round guy, like the fourth morning back 0:10:02.559 --> 0:10:04.800 I think in the second round. Oh, he's got those 0:10:04.840 --> 0:10:08.560 traits though loose played traits. Just out of curiosity, Did 0:10:08.559 --> 0:10:14.679 the Texas Tech kid get invited? Which one? UM? Washington? Here? Washington? 0:10:14.760 --> 0:10:18.200 I thought they were both surprisingly good immobile. I honestly, 0:10:18.200 --> 0:10:20.360 I would have said I thought Green was better. Though. Yeah, 0:10:20.440 --> 0:10:22.640 it's kind of surprising to me that Green didn't get 0:10:22.640 --> 0:10:25.400 invited but Washington did. Yeah, I was surprised. I mean, 0:10:25.400 --> 0:10:28.520 I again, I Green's probably more of a late round guy, 0:10:28.600 --> 0:10:31.400 but there were running backs that we are invited that 0:10:31.760 --> 0:10:34.840 I think that Green's clearly better. So was a little 0:10:34.880 --> 0:10:38.280 bit surprised to see that. Um. And you know, remember, 0:10:38.440 --> 0:10:41.080 like I said, forty one players last year were drafted, 0:10:41.120 --> 0:10:42.960 so you never know what some of these players they 0:10:42.960 --> 0:10:45.319 could at the pro day or you know, like Green 0:10:45.400 --> 0:10:47.760 had a chance at the Senior Bowl. Another Senior Bowl guy, 0:10:47.920 --> 0:10:51.360 jay Lee the Baylor White Really, yeah, that's what I 0:10:51.360 --> 0:10:53.000 was gonna get to. I was gonna get because I 0:10:53.000 --> 0:10:55.640 saw that as being a name that we're very familiar 0:10:55.640 --> 0:10:58.280 with from the Senior Bowl. I mean other than Braxton Miller, 0:10:58.360 --> 0:11:00.840 he was probably the best receiver at this your bowl, yeah, 0:11:00.880 --> 0:11:04.040 I mean besides him and Shepherd. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Shepherd 0:11:04.080 --> 0:11:06.760 was on the end right, you're yeah, you're right. But 0:11:06.880 --> 0:11:09.480 jay Lee he on the North squad. I mean he was. 0:11:09.960 --> 0:11:12.839 He was terrific, making some pretty impressive catches and at 0:11:12.920 --> 0:11:15.599 Baylor his tapes okay, but at the Senior Bowl, I 0:11:15.600 --> 0:11:18.120 thought he really stepped up, used to size well and 0:11:18.160 --> 0:11:22.080 it expanded his catch radius and really impressed. So jay Lee, 0:11:22.440 --> 0:11:23.880 I know, I was looking forward to seeing what the 0:11:23.880 --> 0:11:27.080 combine to Seebody would run because he's a big, lumbering guy. 0:11:27.520 --> 0:11:29.960 Speed's not his uh not what he does best as 0:11:30.000 --> 0:11:31.920 a receiver. But you know, if you could run a 0:11:31.960 --> 0:11:34.600 Ford but able to be very productive in the Senior 0:11:34.640 --> 0:11:37.400 Bowl setting when it came down to okay, you can't. 0:11:37.840 --> 0:11:39.719 They weren't playing a lot of man coverage. He was 0:11:39.760 --> 0:11:42.120 able to run some. And the questions we have about 0:11:42.160 --> 0:11:45.000 the Baylor kids, and I know, especially with Coleman, is 0:11:45.040 --> 0:11:47.360 these kids as route runners exactly? You know, I mean, 0:11:47.600 --> 0:11:49.280 is it is a lot to do with the scheme. 0:11:49.480 --> 0:11:52.080 I mean, did they get production because of scheme? I 0:11:52.120 --> 0:11:54.439 thought Jay Lee showed well, though some other guys tell 0:11:54.520 --> 0:11:56.840 him going down to your list though as well. Uh 0:11:56.960 --> 0:11:59.800 kJ May was another kid we were talking about them 0:12:00.800 --> 0:12:02.640 from the Universe Minnesota. I thought he was kind of 0:12:02.640 --> 0:12:05.160 a little bit of a poor man's Duyne Harris, if 0:12:05.160 --> 0:12:06.800 you want to say, had a couple of tackles, right, 0:12:06.800 --> 0:12:10.079 I wrote about him. And then Paul McRoberts from Southeast 0:12:10.080 --> 0:12:14.320 Missouri was another guy that was given. Lee and mc 0:12:14.440 --> 0:12:18.439 roberts with the two most productive receivers on the South team. 0:12:18.480 --> 0:12:21.600 And I think wide receiver had the most you know 0:12:22.040 --> 0:12:25.640 snubs this year because he also Daniel Braverman out of 0:12:25.640 --> 0:12:28.880 Western Michigan, a player who is perfect for the slot. 0:12:29.000 --> 0:12:31.400 I think he'll get drafted. And then Michael Thomas, not 0:12:31.440 --> 0:12:34.080 the Ohio State Michael Thomas, but the Southern miss Michael Thomas, 0:12:34.320 --> 0:12:37.000 a really good player who he'll have his drops. He's 0:12:37.080 --> 0:12:41.079 very lean, but I think Michael Thomas has the skills 0:12:41.120 --> 0:12:43.120 to play at the NFL level. So I think Wide 0:12:43.120 --> 0:12:46.760 receiver had the most guys that stood out as players 0:12:46.760 --> 0:12:48.600 that should be at the combine or you know, at 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:52.520 least deserved to get to that get to that stage 0:12:52.520 --> 0:12:56.679 and audition for NFL scouts. Yeah, every year, and that 0:12:57.000 --> 0:12:59.600 was an alarming number though I didn't realized the number 0:12:59.679 --> 0:13:02.079 was that. I mean it was last year's more than 0:13:02.679 --> 0:13:04.480 what we usually see. I went back into the last 0:13:04.559 --> 0:13:07.640 few years and uh, you know last year was a 0:13:07.640 --> 0:13:10.080 little more than we usually see. But see, I mean 0:13:10.120 --> 0:13:12.400 I have it right here. Last year was a forty one, 0:13:12.679 --> 0:13:15.800 the year before it was thirty two. So um in 0:13:15.920 --> 0:13:17.880 thirty two is about twelve and a half percent of 0:13:17.960 --> 0:13:20.680 the total draft field. So you know we're still talking 0:13:20.800 --> 0:13:24.240 double digit percents of players. I mean when you talk 0:13:24.320 --> 0:13:27.360 up drafted, what two hundred and fifty six guys get 0:13:27.440 --> 0:13:31.640 drafty Well, yeah, because the Patriots. So I mean you're 0:13:31.640 --> 0:13:33.520 talking like I mean last year was like once every 0:13:33.559 --> 0:13:36.160 five or six guys, and then the year before that's 0:13:36.160 --> 0:13:38.240 when every ten or twelve or so. I mean that's 0:13:38.280 --> 0:13:41.440 still a lot when you think about it. I mean absolutely, 0:13:41.480 --> 0:13:44.040 And I have a broken down here. Last year three 0:13:44.080 --> 0:13:47.640 in the fourth round, we're non combine invites, seven in 0:13:47.679 --> 0:13:51.079 the fifth round, sixteen in the sixth round, and then 0:13:51.160 --> 0:13:54.480 fifteen in the seventh round. So on Day three, uh, 0:13:54.679 --> 0:13:56.480 you know, we saw a lot of these non combine 0:13:56.840 --> 0:13:58.559 guys come off the board even as early as a 0:13:58.600 --> 0:14:01.640 fourth round. Yeah, and the medical information so important to me. 0:14:01.760 --> 0:14:04.600 These are probably guys that did visit, probably one of 0:14:04.640 --> 0:14:07.360 the thirty visits you know that get to come in 0:14:07.800 --> 0:14:10.000 before the pre draft stuff, and you know you can 0:14:10.480 --> 0:14:12.600 to me, the combine is really about the medical and 0:14:12.640 --> 0:14:16.400 about the interview exactly so. And actually it raises and 0:14:16.440 --> 0:14:18.880 what I think is an interesting question. Maybe you disagree. 0:14:19.160 --> 0:14:22.200 I just remember last year how many times we must 0:14:22.200 --> 0:14:25.120 have talked about well, when Gurley gets to the combine, 0:14:25.200 --> 0:14:28.320 that's when we'll know about his acl Is there anybody 0:14:28.520 --> 0:14:32.240 Miles Jack comes to mind? Maybe Jalen Smith also comes 0:14:32.280 --> 0:14:36.960 from who who? This year? Medical wise? Is a question 0:14:37.000 --> 0:14:38.800 that needs to be answered at the combine. Is there 0:14:38.800 --> 0:14:41.040 anybody that stands out? I think I think you hit 0:14:41.080 --> 0:14:43.040 the two right, Yeah, are the two main ones. I 0:14:43.040 --> 0:14:45.200 think Jalen Smith will have to wait until probably March 0:14:45.200 --> 0:14:47.720 in April to know really more about him. Yeah, a 0:14:47.720 --> 0:14:50.880 few running backs stand out. Devontae Booker, he was not 0:14:50.920 --> 0:14:52.800 able to be at Senior boause of a knee right 0:14:52.880 --> 0:14:56.040 that really it prematurely ended his Utah career. So I 0:14:56.040 --> 0:14:57.720 think Devontae Booker, I want to see what's going on 0:14:57.760 --> 0:15:00.800 with the knee. Jonathan Williams Yarks running back. He was 0:15:00.880 --> 0:15:03.520 limited at the Senior Bowl, wasn't a full participant. Uh, 0:15:03.560 --> 0:15:05.520 I want to see what he's able to do it. 0:15:05.640 --> 0:15:07.000 But you know, I get the question all the time 0:15:07.040 --> 0:15:11.080 about how how these invites happened to the combine. You know, 0:15:11.120 --> 0:15:13.240 how what's that process? You know when you were in 0:15:13.280 --> 0:15:15.840 an NFL uh you know, war room in front of 0:15:15.840 --> 0:15:18.800 the front office. How much input as a as a 0:15:18.840 --> 0:15:21.760 front office did you guys were able to give? You know, hey, 0:15:21.760 --> 0:15:24.200 we want to see this guy. Yeah, we we didn't 0:15:24.200 --> 0:15:27.800 you know when my days again, I started back in 0:15:27.800 --> 0:15:30.400 in uh in nineteen ninety two working in college and 0:15:30.440 --> 0:15:32.000 then I went to the pro side of it. So 0:15:32.080 --> 0:15:34.920 when I came here, though, they were we were just 0:15:35.040 --> 0:15:37.480 starting to get involved with that, you know it really 0:15:37.560 --> 0:15:40.200 Dude bad was the one that was running the combine. 0:15:40.280 --> 0:15:44.440 And we would go with and the National Scouts, the 0:15:44.720 --> 0:15:48.320 National Scouting Combine and then blessed and then you would 0:15:48.360 --> 0:15:51.480 have emerging You would have a meeting selection committee. A 0:15:51.520 --> 0:15:54.200 selection committee would come and say, Okay, these are the 0:15:54.240 --> 0:15:57.200 guys that we would like to submit and and and 0:15:57.200 --> 0:15:59.600 it was as a as a as a scouting unit. 0:16:00.120 --> 0:16:02.840 It wasn't as okay, the Green Bay Packers or the 0:16:02.920 --> 0:16:06.880 Dallas Cowboys. It was as a unit, we agree on 0:16:07.440 --> 0:16:10.800 these players. Now, where are the players were different? On Okay, 0:16:10.800 --> 0:16:14.040 we would we had a high grade on this player, 0:16:14.160 --> 0:16:15.920 or we had a high grade and or we didn't 0:16:15.960 --> 0:16:18.240 have a high enough high enough grade on the other players. 0:16:18.280 --> 0:16:20.240 So yeah, it was kind of one of those things 0:16:20.240 --> 0:16:25.600 where it was a selection committee from both both scouting 0:16:25.680 --> 0:16:28.280 groups that were able to merge the list, to merge 0:16:28.320 --> 0:16:30.720 the players. Yeah, people that don't know, you know, National 0:16:30.760 --> 0:16:33.520 and Blessed though the two big you know scouting. You know, 0:16:33.560 --> 0:16:36.320 they're they're made up of supplements to the supplements to 0:16:36.600 --> 0:16:38.720 what you have at your scouting right, they're the group 0:16:38.760 --> 0:16:42.720 that that actually submit the names, and I mean submit 0:16:42.800 --> 0:16:45.520 when you when you talk about that, uh, it's like, yeah, 0:16:45.560 --> 0:16:47.360 you could go to meetings in the spring and then 0:16:47.360 --> 0:16:48.960 you go to a meeting in the fall. A lot 0:16:48.960 --> 0:16:51.240 of the foundation were exactly they give you the names 0:16:51.320 --> 0:16:53.080 and then it's your job. I think I think there's 0:16:53.120 --> 0:16:56.520 about twenty five teams that are are members of these 0:16:56.520 --> 0:16:59.080 two groups, not every team, but about twenty five or so. 0:17:00.320 --> 0:17:02.960 But yeah, and that's and then the selection committee they 0:17:02.960 --> 0:17:04.800 come up with the invite list. And this isn't like 0:17:04.840 --> 0:17:07.399 the Senior Bowl, where if a player is not able 0:17:07.440 --> 0:17:10.479 to participate in the Combine they call someone up. This 0:17:10.520 --> 0:17:12.320 list is final, right. Uh, you know they're not going 0:17:12.359 --> 0:17:14.440 to call anyone up because of injury or anything like that. 0:17:14.680 --> 0:17:17.399 If they were not invited on this initial list. Uh, 0:17:17.520 --> 0:17:19.680 they're not gonna have any changes to him. Yeah, sure aren't. 0:17:20.000 --> 0:17:22.960 That's again that's Uh. I'm always interested though, And real 0:17:23.000 --> 0:17:26.760 quick though, talk about the Middle Tennessee. We know this. Uh, 0:17:26.760 --> 0:17:29.520 this team is a lot about safeties. Talk about the 0:17:29.560 --> 0:17:32.639 Middle Tennessee safety. He got snubbed in this uh, in 0:17:32.680 --> 0:17:35.000 this process as well. He did another Senior Bowl guy, 0:17:35.320 --> 0:17:38.760 Kevin Byrd. I was I thought, you know he was. 0:17:38.800 --> 0:17:41.159 I thought he's draft the Bowl. Uh, and so a 0:17:41.160 --> 0:17:43.240 player I'd like to see at the Combine. Uh. He 0:17:43.400 --> 0:17:46.080 had an okay week in mobile. Um, you know, he 0:17:46.440 --> 0:17:50.200 had a tremendous career at at Middle Tennessee. A career 0:17:50.280 --> 0:17:53.320 leader in interceptions, career leader interception yards. Uh, he was 0:17:53.359 --> 0:17:55.960 a playmaker. He had he had good tape. Alabama tape 0:17:56.000 --> 0:17:58.760 is good exactly exactly, So a player that I don't 0:17:58.760 --> 0:18:00.480 think stands out an you know, he's not the fastest, 0:18:00.520 --> 0:18:03.240 not the biggest, not the strongest, but he's able to 0:18:03.240 --> 0:18:05.040 be consistent because he I think he trusts what he 0:18:05.040 --> 0:18:08.199 sees and he reacts well, and he's he puts himself 0:18:08.200 --> 0:18:10.560 in the position to at least attempt to make a play. 0:18:10.640 --> 0:18:12.920 So I'm in the fifth round, yeah, and he still 0:18:13.000 --> 0:18:15.480 might go. Everything everything you said about the player I 0:18:15.520 --> 0:18:17.919 totally agree with. And again I find it hard that 0:18:17.960 --> 0:18:20.320 they would not put a guy in, you know, fifth 0:18:20.440 --> 0:18:23.520 round type of a player that to do that based 0:18:23.520 --> 0:18:26.280 on the numbers we're getting from Dane, Like, there's gonna 0:18:26.280 --> 0:18:29.120 be some he's gonna get drafted, And I mean, you're 0:18:29.160 --> 0:18:31.199 wrong if honestly you look at it, and I know 0:18:31.280 --> 0:18:34.840 some of these teams they don't see Kevin Byard or 0:18:34.880 --> 0:18:37.480 you know, one of these other guys on the Combine list, 0:18:37.520 --> 0:18:39.280 and they're okay with it because you know, it's all right, 0:18:39.320 --> 0:18:41.399 we'll hide him. Yeah, you know he's not gonna be 0:18:41.440 --> 0:18:42.959 on this big stage working out in front of all 0:18:43.000 --> 0:18:45.320 thirty two teams. We know will be at his pro day. 0:18:45.359 --> 0:18:47.480 We know we like the kid. We don't need to 0:18:47.480 --> 0:18:49.679 see him at the combine. You know, it's okay that 0:18:49.760 --> 0:18:51.439 he's not here. We maybe hide him a little bit. 0:18:51.480 --> 0:18:54.920