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Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. It's Wednesday, December seventeenth, and the son

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Speaker 1: of Rob Reiner has made his first appearance in court

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Speaker 1: to face double murder charges. He spoke, but only a

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Speaker 1: few words, and with that, welcome to this episode of

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Speaker 1: Amy and TJ. Robes. I said that he only said

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Speaker 1: a few words, but this was I was surprised to hear.

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Speaker 1: You were the one that alerted me that his family

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Speaker 1: has spoken as well. His siblings got to speak, Robes,

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Speaker 1: I cannot imagine what they're feeling right now.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Jake and Romy actually released a statement. It's the

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Speaker 2: first statement, the first thing we're actually hearing from.

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Speaker 3: Yes, his siblings and the son.

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Speaker 2: And daughter of Rob Reiner, and Romy was the one

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Speaker 2: who found them.

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Speaker 1: Where are the ages? Remind me he was thirty two.

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Speaker 3: Jake is thirty four, and Romy is twenty eight.

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Speaker 1: Okay, wow, she's the baby and he so.

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Speaker 2: Yes, So Nick was the middle child, and he said

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Speaker 2: a few words his lawyers to reporters outside the courthouse.

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Speaker 2: So we actually heard a lot from people who are

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Speaker 2: very close obviously to this case.

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Speaker 1: But this was a big deal. It seems Look, this

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Speaker 1: is all recent and just happened, but it seems like

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Speaker 1: this has been delayed and actually we need to explain

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Speaker 1: to you folks there is further delay. So we just

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Speaker 1: hopped on here now because this has been a breaking story.

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Speaker 1: Did make a court appearance out in La but Ropes.

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Speaker 1: He still has not officially been arraigned and that's been

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Speaker 1: pushed back. We know that this even appearance was pushed back.

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Speaker 1: It was supposed to be yesterday. So there are a

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Speaker 1: lot of questions about exactly what's going on, and his

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Speaker 1: this case.

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Speaker 2: Yes he hasn't gotten too specific citing complexities, but yes,

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Speaker 2: we know that Nick Reiner's arrangment is now going to

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Speaker 2: happen on January seventh, so after the holidays. And while

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Speaker 2: he was in court today, the only words he uttered

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Speaker 3: Your honor.

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Speaker 2: He had a blue vest on, so it appears to

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Speaker 2: of vest where he can't harm himself. I know they

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Speaker 2: give these types of things to wear for prisoners who

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Speaker 2: have well literally either a target on their back or

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Speaker 2: they're potentially suicidal.

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Speaker 1: And he wasn't an open court today. It was in

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Speaker 1: a cage. If you will as a as they describe.

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Speaker 1: I think everybody knows at this point what we're talking about,

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Speaker 1: but kind of almost a holding cell within the courthouse,

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Speaker 2: Yes, and we know he was actually officially charged Tuesday

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Speaker 2: and two counts of murder with special circumstance allegations of

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Speaker 2: multiple murders, as well as using a deadly weapon a knife,

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Speaker 2: in connection with the death of his parents.

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Speaker 3: That's what the court documents say.

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Speaker 2: But according to his attorney, Alan Jackson, who is almost

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Speaker 2: who has clients like what Kevin Spacey, Karen Reid most recently.

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Speaker 2: But he was asked about this medical issue that we

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Speaker 2: heard about that prevented Nick Reiner from appearing yesterday in court,

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Speaker 2: which we were initially expecting.

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Speaker 1: I said, not medically cleared is what we've been told.

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Speaker 2: That's what we were told. So he said it was a

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Speaker 2: procedural matter. He said, there are very very complex and

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Speaker 2: we asked that during this process you meaning the media,

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Speaker 1: Well wait, and I'm curious, I really am. A lot

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Speaker 1: if this is horror we're talking about being described in

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Speaker 2: And that's a good word to use, desperate, And I

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Speaker 3: And at the party.

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Speaker 1: The party we're talking about it, the.

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Speaker 3: Conan O'Brien party.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so a lot of the very famous people who

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Speaker 2: So for them to have now said, hey, we saw

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Speaker 2: So in the last few weeks, but he was living

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Speaker 2: violence directed towards your parents, but also the people who

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Speaker 1: Of course. Well I can't wait to hear and look,

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Speaker 1: this is why you get the best lawyers on the

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Speaker 1: You think, wow, this is a monstrous person who have

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Speaker 1: or some understanding. I'm not trying to soften the blow

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Speaker 2: Yes, and to know we've learned that Rob and Michelle

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Speaker 2: the early morning hours of Sunday. It's just you start

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Speaker 2: to see a picture that's painted. We also, where's that

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Speaker 2: they've now begun to release some of the surveillance video

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Speaker 3: He appeared normal.

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Speaker 1: And there's no suggestion today in court that he didn't

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Speaker 3: Absolutely not. Okay, absolutely not.

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Speaker 2: So these are just some of we're getting basically some

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Speaker 1: And there is I talk about this being I mentioned

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Speaker 1: I was kind of surprised to hear it. But again,

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Speaker 2: They began by asking for speculation to be tempered with

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Speaker 2: of the day. The horrific and devastating loss of our parents,

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Speaker 2: Rob and Michelle Reiner is something that no one should

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Speaker 1: Well, tell me that The first line again got me

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Speaker 2: Words cannot even begin to descibe speculate what they asked

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Speaker 2: for speculation to be tempered with compassion and humanity.

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Speaker 1: That's well ridden and it's not going to be honored.

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Speaker 3: Of course it's not.

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Speaker 2: And it's interesting because it was a five sentence long

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Speaker 3: And that was I'm sure by design that.

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Speaker 1: These folks are going through I can't imagine. So we

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Speaker 1: the close relationships. I mean, he has friendships. He's obviously

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Speaker 1: a Hollywood legend, but all of his friends are Hollywood legends. Correct,

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Speaker 1: we were talking royalty. Everybody he knows has a star

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Speaker 1: It's absurd the people he surrounded himself with. And what

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Speaker 1: a freaking this coincidence that the Obamas were supposed to

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Speaker 2: Yes, they were supposed to Sunday have dinner with them.

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Speaker 2: Their bodies were discovered around three forty pm local time.

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Speaker 2: The Obamas were set to have dinner with them, probably

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Speaker 1: So we mentioned that. I think one of the first

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Speaker 1: of course Billy Crystal. Yes, dear dear friends. When Harry met.

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Speaker 3: Sally, right, of course, Princess Fry.

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Speaker 1: And that's the one I forgot. I was like, oh, yes, of.

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Speaker 3: Course, don't have fun storm in the castle.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I forget about these relationships like that continue throughout.

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Speaker 1: Those two movies are absolute classic. Yes, probably on every

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Speaker 1: of thing. So these friendships go way way back. So, folks,

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Speaker 1: what we want to say is so many of those

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Speaker 1: something to say as well about their friend Rob Reiner.

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Speaker 1: So stay here. When we come back, we will let

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Speaker 1: you hear the statement put out by Legends about their

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Speaker 1: legendary friends. There continuing here now on Amy and TJ.

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Speaker 1: Nick Reiner in court today making his first appearance. Not

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Speaker 1: a rain right. He has been charged, but he did

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Speaker 1: but his attorney said there are some things that need

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm wondering. This is where my head goes.

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Speaker 2: He knows he's being charged with murder, and the murder

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Speaker 2: he's being with special circumstances, so the death penalty.

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Speaker 3: He would be eligible for the death penalty.

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Speaker 2: So yes, people would be absolutely riveted listening to the

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Speaker 2: I'm just thinking that that would make the most sense.

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Speaker 1: Who knows what's going on him in the condition he's in.

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Speaker 1: We mentioned who on this Billy Crystabal, who else was

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Speaker 2: He charmed audiences. They trusted him. They lined up to

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Speaker 2: His greatest gift was freedom. If you had an idea,

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Speaker 2: Strong and determined. Michelle and Rob Reiner devoted a great

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Speaker 2: They were a special force together dynamic, unselfish, and inspiring.

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Speaker 2: There was a line from one of Rob's favorite films.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Scorse says it. You know what that is? You

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Speaker 2: When when they said mockumentary, I was like, right, this

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Speaker 1: That is so cool? But a guy who can do

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Speaker 3: But everybody's studying it and still can't get it right correct.

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Speaker 1: And you know in the clip that gets played on TV,

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Speaker 2: You can't have Meg Ryan faking an orgasm. Broadcast shows.

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Speaker 3: So many hearts are breaking.

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Speaker 1: But this is a guy. We have few that we

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Speaker 2: I got it. It's said, Oh, yes, they asked for

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Speaker 3: Go ahead, rooms, Oh no, I'm saying yes.

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Speaker 2: And compassion and humanity that's that we don't have enough

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