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Speaker 1: stays healthy and is able to come back and play.

431
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 1: You could argue your most talented defensive player, Judon went

432
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 1: healthy is just being weird. There's one thing to be

433
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:18,679
Speaker 1: doing a whole in and stand there. Ayuk's doing that,

434
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 1: Jamar Chase doing that today when Girod Mayo went and

435
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,439
Speaker 1: talked to him, he was just sitting on a dummy,

436
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 1: which I would imagine Girod Mayo was like, bro, what

437
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 1: are you doing? Like you either stand watch the drill.

438
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:33,639
Speaker 1: You can't just sit on this thing. And they basically

439
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:37,120
Speaker 1: kicked him out of practice. But this is all on him.

440
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 1: So when someone gets DUI, when someone has blood clots,

441
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 1: when someone as a contract issue, that is your problem.

442
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:45,639
Speaker 1: You don't just get to worry about your unit and

443
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 1: worry about the scheme. You gotta worry about all this crap.

444
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,879
Speaker 1: And to me, this is why so many coaches fail

445
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:56,160
Speaker 1: because there is no training ground for this, especially being

446
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 1: a younger coach. Now, one thing he can do, maybe

447
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 1: more than just some other guy that didn't play, is

448
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:05,919
Speaker 1: he can have a conversation with the player, kind of

449
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 1: player to player. I used to I remember when I

450
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 1: worked with the Eagles, Douce Staley was really good with

451
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,919
Speaker 1: players because he could get on their ass because he

452
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,359
Speaker 1: could kind of relate, like I've been through these situations

453
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 1: fellas you know, fucking try a little harder here, buddy,

454
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 1: and it was some coaches, you know, couldn't really pull

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00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:28,200
Speaker 1: that off. There was a story the other day of

456
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Speaker 1: a fan bringing that Mahomes doll the Raiders. The Raiders

457
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:36,119
Speaker 1: didn't bring it, which at first you didn't quite know

458
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Speaker 1: what was going on. The video went viral. It was

459
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Speaker 1: a fan brought it, but the player got it and

460
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:43,680
Speaker 1: was making fun of it and obviously went viral and

461
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 1: it got back to the Chiefs. Well. I read the

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Speaker 1: other day that Antonio Pierce said they had a team meeting,

463
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 1: addressed it, nipped it in the bud, and it's no

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Speaker 1: longer going to be an issue. That's a good example.

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Speaker 1: If you're an assistant coach, that ain't your problem, that

466
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Speaker 1: ain't your issue. Maybe you get on the guy individually

467
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 1: in a position meeting, but like it's not on you

468
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:07,160
Speaker 1: to find him, to suspend him, to make him run,

469
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 1: like that's the head coach's job. And Antonio Pierce drod

470
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 1: mail like they're thrown into the deep end. And this

471
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:18,959
Speaker 1: is really really difficult. Obviously, when you look at the Patriots,

472
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 1: this is gonna be a really hard year. Their team

473
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 1: isn't that good. They're already having issues. They have another

474
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:28,959
Speaker 1: contract issue. I think with the nose tackle. It's just

475
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 1: they got a lot going on and if he can

476
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,639
Speaker 1: handle this, more power to him. Maybe he's destined to

477
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 1: be a great coach. But this would sink a lot

478
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,399
Speaker 1: of guys that know what they're doing, let alone a

479
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 1: guy who's been a head coach now for what five months?

480
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 1: Not even so godspeed? Did you Rod Mail? Let's fire

481
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 1: through some NFL news because there was a lot going

482
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 1: on today. Lamar Jackson looks like he's no longer sick

483
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:01,120
Speaker 1: and he was at practice, so he's feeling good. Good

484
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 1: to see, like all of our star players healthy and

485
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:09,479
Speaker 1: on the field. Speaking of players not on the field,

486
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 1: is the one shitty part about training camp. The part

487
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:17,640
Speaker 1: that I miss by far the least is and listen,

488
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 1: I don't quite understand how coaches and gms get numb

489
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,360
Speaker 1: to it, but I think the longer you're in the business,

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00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 1: you never get numb to losing like your best players

491
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 1: in practice, but you do kind of get numb to

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Speaker 1: losing players in training camp with major injuries. It's just

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00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 1: kind of part of the business that there is no

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Speaker 1: avoiding it. Every team in some form or fashion has

495
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 1: at minimum guys pulling hamstrings, guys breaking hands. Obviously, the

496
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Speaker 1: worst case scenario is any achilles or torn knee. Well,

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Speaker 1: Sam Williams, one of I don't want to call him

498
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Speaker 1: a star, but he's a really, really talented young player

499
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Speaker 1: in a special team drill got locked up and tore

500
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 1: his ACL and mcl and is obviously out for the

501
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 1: season and was carted off the field. And those are

502
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 1: type moments in practice that just rattle you. They really do.

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00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 1: Because this sounded like a pretty innocuous like kickoff or

504
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 1: kickoff return drill. They're just kind of, you know, connected.

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00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 1: I don't know exactly how it goes down, but anyone

506
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Speaker 1: that's ever been to a football practice where a guy

507
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 1: tears a knee could be high school, it could be college,

508
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 1: or it could be the pros. The whole place goes

509
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 1: silent because the guy's laying on the ground, and then

510
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 1: when the cart comes out, everyone knows it's not good,

511
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 1: and you're just in the back of your mind or

512
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 1: your fingers are crossed. Best case scenario is just a

513
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 1: it's a bad strain or he's just freaking out. But

514
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 1: most people know like that's it, and that can rattle you.

515
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 1: And as a coach, as a front office person, you

516
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 1: don't have a choice, like you have to move on.

517
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 1: I mean within the next day you probably have to

518
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 1: bring in free agents off the street and work them

519
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 1: out because one, you need another body to run practice,

520
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 1: and two, like you've just lost that player, the guy

521
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 1: who plays for you and impacts your team. And there

522
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 1: it's very, very difficult at this time to do much

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00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,719
Speaker 1: right because there's one more time during the year at

524
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Speaker 1: the big cutdown where you can add players. But let's

525
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 1: face it, if you need tackles, if you need pass rushers,

526
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 1: they're typically not available. Rights that's just not the time

527
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 1: and you're just kind of shit out of luck. So

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Speaker 1: I hate seeing that, but it's just part of the deal.

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00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson missed another practice with his calf injury. Is

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Speaker 1: there a chance he's just kind of old? Is there

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Speaker 1: a chance that at this point in time he's just

532
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 1: kind of a lot of tread on his tires and

533
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 1: just your classic kind of beaten up athlete. This is

534
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 1: what used to happen. You played in the NFL for eleven, twelve,

535
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 1: thirteen years and then it just gets kind of ugly.

536
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 1: And who could have thought that five years ago with

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00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 1: this player? But the last couple of years on the

538
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 1: field have not been great. Now he's got a calf injury.

539
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 1: I've said forever like, I'm out on this guy. And

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00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 1: I thought in his peak he was one of the

541
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Speaker 1: more entertaining, definitely one of the more spectacular players. I've

542
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 1: seen him live a bunch, But that guy's long gone.

543
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 1: And I'm not acting like Justin Fields is some superstar

544
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 1: in the making. But how if you were a Steeler fan,

545
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 1: would you want to watch Russell Wilson play quarterback even

546
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 1: if he was healthy? Like, let's just see what we

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Speaker 1: have in Justin Fields. Worst case scenario, we just go

548
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 1: to Russell, Like, I want to start with Fields. See

549
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 1: if we can build up his confidence. See if you

550
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 1: know he's just we can improve him even with his flaws.

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00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 1: He can play better with us than he did with

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00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 1: the Bears. Let's see if there's anything there. We know

553
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 1: what Russell is an old, trending down player whose athleticism

554
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 1: is diminishing and who lost his confidence. Does Fields have

555
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 1: anything because if he does, maybe we can strike oil.

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00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 1: Not likely you're going to strike oil, but at least

557
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 1: see if there's anything there that's what I would want.

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00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 1: Taylor Decker, Lions tackle, signs a three year, sixty million

559
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 1: dollar deal. I think he gets about a little over

560
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 1: half of that guaranteed. And uh yeah, I mean the

561
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 1: Lions have just signed a lot of their good players.

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00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 1: Stools under contract, Golf's under contract, Saint Brown's under contract,

563
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 1: now Decker's under contract. Uh, this happens a lot during

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Speaker 1: training camp, and it's happening all over the league of like,

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00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 1: this guy looks remarkable, this guy best camp of his career.

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Speaker 1: That's what they're saying about you, Jamison Williams. And I'm

567
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 1: not trying to make fun of the Lions that that's

568
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 1: happening all over the league. But they obviously have a

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00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 1: lot of talented players on that team. And if Jamison

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00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 1: Williams is just good to go with to Gibbs, a

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Speaker 1: running back, Laporta, Saint Brown, their offensive line is really good.

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Speaker 1: If their defense is just a little bit better, Lions

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00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 1: are gonna be a problem again. They really They got

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00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 1: all their coaching staff back, they even lose their offensive coordinator.

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00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 1: Hard not to like the Lions. And uh, last, but

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00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 1: not least Tristan Wurfs. I think this is the complicated part.

577
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 1: He's a star tackle. Some of these other guys have

578
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 1: gotten paid. You got Trent Williams right now, who wants

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00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 1: more money. I think some of these tackles go wait,

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00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 1: you're telling me a wide receiver is more valuable than me.

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00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 1: This guy's making thirty five million dollars and you want

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00:33:55,320 --> 00:34:00,120
Speaker 1: to pay me twenty six. How does that pencil? I

583
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 1: think the biggest gripe in the NFL right now are

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00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:08,399
Speaker 1: star tackles. If I'm Trent Williams, like the minimum rays,

585
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 1: we gotta figure out. I want thirty million dollars a year.

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00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: That'll put a smile on my face. Twenty five is

587
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 1: a slap in my face because one, I know you

588
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 1: can't play without me. I know you don't want to

589
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,320
Speaker 1: do that. And we all acknowledge like I'm the best tackle.

590
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,240
Speaker 1: Worst goes I'm easily one of the best tackles. Pinace

591
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 1: Suwel said, I'm one of the best tackles. How is

592
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:33,240
Speaker 1: my number a lot less than Justin Jefferson. Justin Jefferson

593
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 1: last year as team was kind of irrelevant. He was

594
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 1: banged up. No one thinks the Vikings are going to

595
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 1: be any good this year. So DeVante Adams makes all

596
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:46,759
Speaker 1: that money, his team struggles to win seving games. You're

597
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:50,359
Speaker 1: winning with me, and I played the position blocking, the

598
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 1: second highest paid position in the league behind quarterbacks. In

599
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:58,360
Speaker 1: these pass rushers, Aren't I equally as important as a

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Speaker 1: pass rusher? If I can block a thirty million dollar player,

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00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 1: shouldn't then I make thirty million dollars. Isn't that the

602
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 1: way it should work. I think tackles have one of

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00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 1: the biggest gripes in the league. And uh, I think

604
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 1: we're going to retire Tangent Tuesday and we'll call it

605
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 1: take Tuesday the Olympics. And now I've watched a decent

606
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: amount of Olympics, my one overall take for the summer Olympics.

607
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 1: I understand the business of this NBC peacock, which is

608
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 1: the same thing spending a lot of money and they

609
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 1: need inventory, so they've added a bunch of sports. I

610
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 1: have a lot of respect for surfers. I don't do

611
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 1: the ocean. Why that's where sharks live. I'm not trying

612
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 1: to get my leg bit off. And I've never even

613
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 1: attempted surfing. I have I snowboarded once and I quit.

614
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:48,319
Speaker 1: I was like, this is too hard. A lot of

615
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 1: respect for how hard it is. Same thing with skateboarding.

616
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 1: Never been a big skateboard rollerbladed a little bit. It's very,

617
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 1: very difficult to be a good skateboarder. When you say

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00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 1: surfing and skate boarding, do you think Olympics handball? I think,

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00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:09,359
Speaker 1: I said yesterday on the mailbag, if I was a

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00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:13,879
Speaker 1: former Division I athlete, if I'd played college football, if

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00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 1: I was a fringe NBA NFL guy, I would go

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00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 1: out for handball. When you watch handball on television, you

623
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 1: go this is an Olympic sport. Track and field, swimming, gymnastics,

624
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 1: staples of the summer Olympics. Basketball, totally get it. I

625
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 1: love golf, I really do. I would say I am like,

626
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 1: in the ninety nine percentile of consuming the PGA Tour

627
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 1: and following the sport, it shouldn't be an Olympic sport.

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00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 1: It just shouldn't. I mean, I'm sorry. Now, clearly they

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00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 1: have added a lot of these sports to fill television

630
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 1: windows because after someone Biles is done and the swimming's over, like,

631
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,720
Speaker 1: what else would you do? So you want more sports?

632
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 1: I get the business. But I think we all have

633
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 1: to acknowledge it feels like half the things we see.

634
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 1: I was watching the synchronized diving yesterday. I can't even

635
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:13,319
Speaker 1: imagine how difficult that was. There were two girls, one

636
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 1: with the last name Cook, one with the last name Bacon.

637
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 1: Their parents were wearing shirts that said Cooking Bacon. It

638
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 1: was cool and they finished. One of the girls from

639
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: Australia almost missed the board, fucked up. Our girls got

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00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 1: the silver medal. It was sweet. They started crying. They've

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Speaker 1: been best friends for like fifteen twenty years. It's a

642
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,919
Speaker 1: cool moment. I get it, like I'm pro every time

643
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 1: I want to hate the Olympics. Once I watch swimming

644
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 1: or gymnastics or the track and field, you get really

645
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 1: into it. You get very patriotic. Com on America Simone Biles,

646
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 1: she's battling through a calf injury. But I'm sorry. When

647
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 1: I see handball, table tennis, ping pong, I think we've

648
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 1: all played a little bit here and there. Some are

649
00:37:55,480 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 1: better than others. That's an Olympic sport. I don't know.

650
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 1: I just don't. I don't quite get it. I really don't.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's dive in to a little thing we called

668
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Speaker 1: middle Coff mail Bag. Fire in those dms at John

669
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 1: Middlecoff at John Middlecoff is the Instagram dms wide open.

670
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 1: Start with Nate. My question is this The EPL English

671
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: English Premier League has had recent discussions over potential games

672
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 1: being played overseas in the US. I'm strongly opposed, as

673
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 1: there are big rivalries that are found within the UK,

674
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 1: such as Manchester United versus Liverpool. The reason I oppose

675
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 1: overseas play is because what makes these games so interesting

676
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 1: to watch is due to the history found within the

677
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:47,320
Speaker 1: city and stadiums that they are played at. These rivalries

678
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:51,240
Speaker 1: go back to the early nineteen hundreds and very often

679
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 1: times are played at the stadium in that whole span,

680
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 1: barring the club's moving to different city for relevance to

681
00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 1: the National Football League. Do you think there is a

682
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 1: point where these games are played overseas Germany, England and

683
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 1: now Brazil will grow to an extent within a season

684
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 1: that we really start losing the value of the rivalries

685
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:16,800
Speaker 1: found within the league. Games such as Steelers, Ravens, Bears,

686
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,799
Speaker 1: Packers being played in a different country to draw in

687
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:24,320
Speaker 1: big crowds. I understand that currently the less popular teams

688
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:27,840
Speaker 1: have been getting these games, such as the Jags, Panthers

689
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:32,760
Speaker 1: and Bucks. I was curious your thought on the extent

690
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 1: of this. I'm torn because you always want to grow,

691
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:42,879
Speaker 1: but and clearly the NFL has put an emphasis on

692
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 1: these international games, expanding and expanding and now during the

693
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:52,839
Speaker 1: Brazil game. I think the NFL's great advantage to dominating

694
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 1: like relative to the other team sports in terms of ratings, relevance,

695
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 1: the amount of people that watch is they've owned America.

696
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 1: You know, Ethan Sherwood Strauss, who's one of the best

697
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 1: substacks out there, writes a lot about the international influence

698
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 1: on the NBA. Let's face the two best players currently

699
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 1: in the NBA, Jokis the best player and Luca Jannis.

700
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 1: It's become a very international game and it's lost a

701
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 1: lot of popularity, and there's something to be said about

702
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 1: rooting for Michael Jordan or Magic Johnson or Larry Bird

703
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 1: or Shack or Kobe was technically an international baby, but

704
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 1: he's an American and football is our sport. It's not

705
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 1: played anywhere else. It's our baby, and it dominates here

706
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 1: for a reason. It feels very America, feels very patriotic.

707
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:52,320
Speaker 1: They're synonymous with the military. It's very easy to follow,

708
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 1: and the expansion to Europe is something that I don't

709
00:41:56,360 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 1: pretend to understand all the metrics that go by behind it.

710
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 1: In terms of the value that it brings. It definitely

711
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: adds a TV slot you know when it's on Sunday

712
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 1: because it's at the six thirty Pacific Standard time window.

713
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 1: The Brazil thing, I don't totally understand. I'm with you.

714
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:17,359
Speaker 1: If you told me they did zero international play, I

715
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 1: don't think anyone would notice or anyone would care. Now,

716
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 1: if you tell me one day they want to move

717
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 1: to the UK and that's a big play, I would say, okay,

718
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 1: I understand the big picture move here of doing a

719
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 1: couple of games there every year, but if that's not

720
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 1: in play, which logistically obviously would be very difficult because

721
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 1: if you want to sign a player and he's living

722
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 1: in LA and you want to, you know, bring him

723
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 1: out to London, it can be a challenge. It can

724
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 1: be long plane flights and time zones and everything else.

725
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 1: But I'm with you, I would have no problem if

726
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: everything was here. But that's clearly not the way businesses operate.

727
00:42:56,760 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 1: Everyone is constantly trying to expand think about it with

728
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 1: the podcast. How do we grow? How do we grow?

729
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 1: How do we grow? It's always on my mind. Who

730
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 1: can we have on the podcast? Work in some back channels,

731
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 1: get bigger guests. You know, you're always thinking, and I

732
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 1: just think that's comes naturally to anyone running a business,

733
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 1: and that's what the NFL is doing, and that's what

734
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 1: the EPL is doing. Because when you look at F one,

735
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 1: for example, they were I might be speaking out of

736
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 1: turn a little bit. I don't follow the sport, but

737
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 1: clearly the Netflix emergence in America was really big, created

738
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 1: new fans, and what have they done? Come to Miami,

739
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 1: come to Vegas, so they expanded. Now it's a little

740
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 1: it's not apples to apples, but you know what I'm saying.

741
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 1: So Bear's Packers should be played in Chicago or Green Bay, right,

742
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 1: Eagles Cowboys should not be an international game, and I'm

743
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 1: pretty sure, Like think about the Brazil game, it's Eagles Packers.

744
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:59,879
Speaker 1: Now you could argue, I think that's an Eagles home game,

745
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:03,720
Speaker 1: but that's if you're a season ticket holder. That sucks

746
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 1: Packers Week one at home, or let's just say it

747
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 1: was vice versa. If you're a Packer season ticket holder,

748
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:14,800
Speaker 1: Eagles in Lambeau, like, that's a sweet game, it sucks

749
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 1: to lose it. I see both sides of the argument.

750
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:21,280
Speaker 1: My personal take is I would keep everything in America

751
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 1: and just keep the cash flowing here and not really

752
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 1: worry about it. But that's not the way anyone running

753
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 1: a business ever thinks. Especially the world is so flat

754
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 1: now because of the Internet in terms of business, not

755
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 1: the way Kyrie thinks. And I just think you go

756
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 1: with social media, the ability to connect to people, it's

757
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 1: just a lot different now, So maybe that changes the

758
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 1: mindset with the EPL or with the NFL. How overrated

759
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:54,400
Speaker 1: is baby Dion? I think he's alluding to Schadore Sanders.

760
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 1: I would say this. He's really talented, he has a

761
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 1: big arm, he's athletic last season, as this as the

762
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 1: year went on, it was tough to judge, but I

763
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 1: was thinking about this this morning or the other day.

764
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:15,240
Speaker 1: You can't hype up guys like Jordan Love and Josh

765
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 1: Allen who were all over the map in college and

766
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:22,280
Speaker 1: act like this guy is not a good prospect now

767
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:25,399
Speaker 1: what happened on social media, him shitting on teammates, him

768
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 1: and his dad, it's gonna be a weird experience. But

769
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:33,439
Speaker 1: Dion was a weird experience when he was coming out.

770
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:37,359
Speaker 1: The difference is Dion was a can't miss, all time

771
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 1: great talent. His son is not. And obviously Dion is

772
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 1: widely considered the best corner ever. So I think part

773
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 1: of shador It's gonna be difficult is he carries himself

774
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 1: like his dad, and Dion carried himself like he was

775
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 1: the shit because he was, and I think there was

776
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 1: a humility with some of these projects. I don't think

777
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 1: Colorado's gonna be any good this year. I think they're

778
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 1: gonna struggle to get to a bowl game, which is

779
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,800
Speaker 1: not a hot take. Their line suck and the conference

780
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 1: they're going into is not easy. They're gonna be an

781
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 1: underdog in a lot of games. They easily could lose

782
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 1: the opening game the North Dakota State, who is an

783
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:25,280
Speaker 1: unreal program and knows what it takes to win, especially

784
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 1: beat bigger programs. That's they lose that game, they could

785
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 1: be in for a long season they win that. I

786
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 1: just think it's gonna be hard to beat Oklahoma State.

787
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 1: It's gonna be hard to beat Utah, It's gonna be

788
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 1: hard to beat Kansas. Like, they don't have a lot

789
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 1: of wins on their schedule. As we saw last year,

790
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:43,799
Speaker 1: the better teams they played, they got shellacked because they

791
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 1: suck at the line of scrimmage. I think they have

792
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:50,399
Speaker 1: five new offensive linemen but if the team wins four

793
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:54,280
Speaker 1: or five games, it's more. If he has the physical attributes,

794
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 1: he's gonna get drafted. I the things that are gonna

795
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 1: separate him is the character stuff, and like, how is

796
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 1: he with his teammates? What do the assistant coaches say

797
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 1: about him when Dion's not there? I don't know any

798
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,799
Speaker 1: of those answers. I haven't heard anything good or bad

799
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 1: beside what you've seen on social media. But he's definitely

800
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 1: a very, very intriguing prospect. He could if he has

801
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 1: an awesome season they win seven eight games, he'd be

802
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 1: the number one overall pick in the draft. If they

803
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 1: have a weird season, because let's face it, last year

804
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 1: got weird. Coaches started getting fired and demoted. Things could

805
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 1: get weird quick. They're fascinating, and like I said, I

806
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 1: don't think they're gonna be any good and it's not

807
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:40,880
Speaker 1: not because of him, just because their team's not good enough.

808
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:46,319
Speaker 1: I think the more fascinating thing with Colorado is Travis Hunter,

809
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 1: who plays both ways. But what position is he gonna pick?

810
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 1: This isn't show hao, Tony, You're not gonna play both

811
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 1: ways in the NFL. You're either gonna be a starting

812
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 1: corner or start wide receiver. I don't know the answer

813
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:05,360
Speaker 1: to that. I mean, if he just plays corner and

814
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,839
Speaker 1: he's an awesome corner, he'd go top two or three

815
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 1: pick in the draft. If he's just a really good

816
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:14,879
Speaker 1: wide receiver, see every year like good wide receivers are

817
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 1: the third or fourth guy off the board at their

818
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:22,319
Speaker 1: own position. I'm probably most intrigued by Travis Hunter as

819
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:27,840
Speaker 1: much as Shador. What are the Dolphins and the Jacks

820
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:31,799
Speaker 1: thinking about paying Tua? In Lawrence Early, I get you

821
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 1: get a discount, but if I'm an AFC team, there's

822
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:37,839
Speaker 1: no way I'm paying any quarterback not named Mahomes, Josh Allen,

823
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 1: Lamar Herbert over thirty five a year. You have no

824
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 1: chance giving a borderline top fifteen quarterback who needs elite

825
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:50,760
Speaker 1: talent around them twenty percent of your payroll the Dolphins.

826
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:53,840
Speaker 1: But here's the big question. If you were the Dolphins

827
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 1: and didn't pay to a then he has another year

828
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 1: like last year. What can you really do moving forward?

829
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 1: I guess you have to pay him. What do you

830
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 1: want because you can lose him for nothing. Well, my

831
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 1: thing with Tua is I hear you on Trevor. I

832
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 1: just would have played it out another year, like I'll

833
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:12,840
Speaker 1: give you two hundred million dollars next year? Would I

834
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 1: have to give them that much more? Like, let's just

835
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:19,759
Speaker 1: see you prove it out another year with Tua? Who

836
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 1: am I bidding against? That's that to me is the question? Two?

837
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 1: Has one more year on his contract? Or did the

838
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 1: fifth year option? Who's who's sitting at me or sitting

839
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 1: with me at the at the table wanting my player.

840
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 1: You saw Christian Wilkins right once they had to move

841
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 1: some money around and hit free agency. A lot of

842
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 1: teams were gonna be interested in Christian Wilkins, the Giants,

843
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:46,800
Speaker 1: the Raiders. Sure, there are other teams that wanted Christian Wilkins.

844
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:49,879
Speaker 1: That was obvious. So if you wanted to keep them

845
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:51,840
Speaker 1: but let him hit free agency, they were gonna be

846
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:54,759
Speaker 1: teams interested. The Giants will say one Barklay, it's like,

847
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:56,799
Speaker 1: we're gonna let you hit the open market, give us

848
00:49:56,840 --> 00:50:00,840
Speaker 1: the chance to match. Even if they didn't quite understand,

849
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:04,360
Speaker 1: they knew people were going to be interested in signing them.

850
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 1: Who's signing Tua for one hundred and fifty million dollars? Who?

851
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 1: I just don't I don't see who? But That's my

852
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 1: thing with that is when you get Mahomes or Herbert,

853
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 1: even Trevor Lawrence, like other people to want Trevor Lawrence.

854
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 1: Other people would want Jordan Love, other people would have

855
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 1: wanted Jalen Hurts, who right now wants Tua. I'm just

856
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:35,400
Speaker 1: it's a rhetorical question. I don't You could give me

857
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 1: five teams and I can say, I don't know, maybe

858
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:48,320
Speaker 1: raiders Hugh. Is there a difference of roles and responsibilities

859
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:51,880
Speaker 1: that an OC might have based on the team he's coaching,

860
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:56,400
Speaker 1: For instance, I imagine an offensive coordinator for a defensive minded

861
00:50:56,440 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 1: coach like Tomlin may have different responsibilities and be more

862
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 1: involved as opposed to an OC on Shanahan or mcveigh's

863
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 1: coach team. Well, I would say the main difference is

864
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 1: you're calling the place. So if you work for Pete Carroll,

865
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 1: if you work for Tomlin, if you work for John Harbaugh,

866
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:22,879
Speaker 1: you're the play caller. Todd Bowles, it's your offense. You're

867
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 1: the head coach of the offense. If you're the offensive

868
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 1: coordinator for McVeigh, Lafleur, Shanahan, those type guys your position coach.

869
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 1: On steroids, you're doing a lot of heavy lifting for

870
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 1: the game plan, but you're not calling the place, so

871
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 1: it's a major difference. It's it's dramatic, I think with

872
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:52,759
Speaker 1: the responsibility because let's just face it, if you have

873
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 1: the responsibility of calling the place or not calling the place,

874
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 1: that changes your entire week slash Sunday dramatically. I have

875
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 1: a couple of nephews. There's a big difference of babysitting

876
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 1: them and being their parent, and I think the equivalent

877
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 1: of that is like when you're the play caller, all

878
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:16,880
Speaker 1: of it falls on you. That's why when the game ends,

879
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 1: we go nuts on play callers because they're in control.

880
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:23,799
Speaker 1: No one ever goes you know what that run game

881
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 1: coordinator's advice that no one knows about on Thursday sure

882
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:31,239
Speaker 1: was stupid. Or when things are good, they don't get

883
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:36,439
Speaker 1: any credit, right, Like imagine if we knew, like god,

884
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:41,799
Speaker 1: that Olnes coaches idea on changing the production sliding to

885
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:45,280
Speaker 1: the right instead of the left really paid dividends this game.

886
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 1: That's not how we talk. We go what a great

887
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 1: game by the play caller, What a genius call on

888
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 1: third and four, even though it might not even have

889
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 1: been his idea, because it is pretty collaborative, but they

890
00:52:57,080 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 1: get all the credit. Well like the quarterback. Okay, he

891
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:03,920
Speaker 1: gets all the credit, even though the right guard stoned

892
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 1: Chris Jones on the third down play, which led to

893
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 1: a touchdown question for the mailbag. Looking at the star

894
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:14,240
Speaker 1: heavy forty nine ers roster with another Super Bowl run,

895
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 1: which players do you think are getting into the Hall

896
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:21,520
Speaker 1: of Fame and which others are close to it? You

897
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 1: can include coach Shanahan in the question. Ty from Mexico,

898
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 1: I would say Trent Williams is a Hall of Famer

899
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:33,320
Speaker 1: right now. I would say that Fred Warner is building

900
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 1: a Hall of Fame career. To me, George Kittle has

901
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:43,359
Speaker 1: a long way to go. Those guys would be the

902
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:47,360
Speaker 1: only one in the discussion. Christian McCaffrey went healthy is

903
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:50,839
Speaker 1: a Hall of Fame player, but to do you know

904
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:53,399
Speaker 1: what he has to do to get in. Marshall fall

905
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:57,879
Speaker 1: k Ladanian, Tomlinson, He's gonna need three or four more

906
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:01,839
Speaker 1: huge years, but he's been pretty special. I would say

907
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 1: that would be the group. And Nick Bosa has a

908
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 1: long way to go, but he's a Hall of Fame talent,

909
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 1: So I would say Trent Williams in the Hall of

910
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:13,719
Speaker 1: fame guys building a resume. Fred Warner would be one.

911
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 1: Let's just pull up Fred Warner. He's only twenty seven.

912
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:25,799
Speaker 1: He's a three time first team All Pro, so if

913
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 1: he has three more seasons at this level, it needs

914
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 1: a six time first team All Pro. Patrick Willis got in.

915
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 1: Now I think Pete Patrick Willis is better than Fred Warner.

916
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 1: But you go to three Super Bowls, you get a

917
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:48,879
Speaker 1: bunch of All pros. Maybe make a big play pick

918
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:50,400
Speaker 1: off in the Super Bowl. That's how you get in.

919
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:54,319
Speaker 1: To me, McCaffrey like a lot of skilled guys hall

920
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:56,440
Speaker 1: of Fame talent, but being a Hall of Famer to

921
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 1: me is doing it over a long period of time.

922
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 1: And if he can have four more years like he

923
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:08,920
Speaker 1: just had, then he'd have a pretty good argument. But

924
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:10,799
Speaker 1: we see a lot of guys get derailed, like Luke

925
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 1: Keickley was a Hall of Fame guy. Immediately it was like, God,

926
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 1: look how good this guy is. But you look at

927
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 1: his resume. He didn't do it for that long, So like,

928
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 1: is he gonna get in? I don't have his Wikipedia,

929
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:28,280
Speaker 1: but I think his crew is cut. So short question

930
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:31,880
Speaker 1: for the mailbag for as well as the Steelers appear

931
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:35,239
Speaker 1: to have drafted. Is it as fair to view this

932
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 1: offseason as disappointing considering they seem to have failed at

933
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 1: upgrading the receiver room. Pickens is very good, but I

934
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 1: hesitate to view him as a true Number one until

935
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 1: he produces more. Love the pod, Thanks for the content.

936
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:54,880
Speaker 1: I think this why they were in a tough spot

937
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:57,280
Speaker 1: and why they were interested in trading for Brandon Ayukan.

938
00:55:57,360 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 1: I think why they would be interested in trading for

939
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 1: him right now, But I think what they would say

940
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 1: organizationally is we have historically found guys that you never

941
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 1: would consider good, who become good a year or two

942
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:13,359
Speaker 1: into their career, that we draft in the fourth round,

943
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:14,920
Speaker 1: draft in the sixth round, I have to pull up

944
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:20,879
Speaker 1: their roster. But I think if any team deserves the

945
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 1: benefit of the doubt with that unit, it has to

946
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:26,240
Speaker 1: be the Pittsburgh Steelers. Like after a while, it's like, Belichick,

947
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:28,839
Speaker 1: are we sure you have any clue what you're doing

948
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 1: when it comes to wide receivers in the draft. It

949
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:35,839
Speaker 1: was a very very fair argument to make against him.

950
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 1: It's like you took Nakill Harry, you took Sony Michelle

951
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 1: over Nick Chubb, Like he made some awful decisions when

952
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:47,920
Speaker 1: it came to skill guys. I think the Steelers are

953
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:50,399
Speaker 1: pretty good when it comes to that position. I think

954
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:54,760
Speaker 1: they're the best and definitely have been over a multiple

955
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 1: decades stretch. And maybe it's Tomlin, maybe it's his influence,

956
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 1: maybe it's the Rooney or I don't know. I don't

957
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:03,239
Speaker 1: know what their secret sauce is, but they do have

958
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 1: a secret sauce. I think you guys are good enough

959
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:09,279
Speaker 1: at the skill guys if you get good quarterback play.

960
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:11,880
Speaker 1: But if your quarterback play is average, that means your

961
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:13,440
Speaker 1: defense is gonna have to be a lot better than

962
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 1: the last year. You're gonna need guys to stay healthy. Obviously,

963
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:20,480
Speaker 1: TJ's a star, Mink is a star. Cam is a

964
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 1: really good player. He got hurt last year, missed a

965
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 1: bunch of time. You know, the Najie Harris contract situation.

966
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:28,080
Speaker 1: I don't blame them. I wouldn't have given him a

967
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:32,960
Speaker 1: contract extension either. Little warrens a dynamic little guy, tight

968
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 1: ends a good player. So like, you have enough talent

969
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 1: if your quarterback play is solid to win ten games,

970
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 1: but if it's up and down, you'll be right in

971
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 1: that like eight wins going into the last game of

972
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 1: the season and need two other teams to lose to

973
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 1: get into the playoffs. Like that's feels like it's been

974
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:52,480
Speaker 1: the story of the Steelers over the last four or

975
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:55,920
Speaker 1: five years, besides the one year when you're really good

976
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 1: and then the Browns beat your ass in the playoffs. Granted,

977
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 1: kind of a fugazi season with no fans, but still

978
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 1: that was a bad loss. I think we all agree.

979
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:12,400
Speaker 1: Do you think, based on the Packers' recent history with quarterbacks,

980
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:15,640
Speaker 1: that is highly likely that Jordan Love is a top

981
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:18,200
Speaker 1: three quarterback in the league and a first ballot Hall

982
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 1: of Famer. Well, if you just based it on the

983
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:24,320
Speaker 1: previous two guys, the answer is yes. I mean, if

984
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 1: you go well Farv Rogers and this guy's good too,

985
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 1: then he's just gonna be one of the all time greats.

986
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:35,920
Speaker 1: I can't say that with a straight face, but no

987
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 1: one can debate his final stretch of the season was awesome.

988
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:42,480
Speaker 1: But being a Hall of Fame player is basically taking

989
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:46,560
Speaker 1: that final eight games and doing it for the next seven, nine,

990
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:50,720
Speaker 1: ten years. Obviously, you could have some dips, right FARV did.

991
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:54,240
Speaker 1: Rogers for the most part, was pretty elite. He had

992
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 1: a couple dips that last McCarthy year, and even that

993
00:58:57,440 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 1: first Lafour year was a little off side injury. The

994
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:03,240
Speaker 1: majority of his career, starting in two thousand and nine,

995
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:08,040
Speaker 1: that fucking guy was incredible. So I think it's probably

996
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:10,680
Speaker 1: more likely to be like Farv. And again I'm not

997
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 1: saying he's gonna be as good as far From my

998
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:15,640
Speaker 1: point is Farv could be up and down a little bit.

999
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:19,680
Speaker 1: Rogers was for the majority of his career one of

1000
00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 1: the most consistent players we've ever seen. And if that's

1001
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:26,360
Speaker 1: the case, then yeah, they just they just get another

1002
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:30,040
Speaker 1: top ten, top twenty quarterback of all time. Be the

1003
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:33,360
Speaker 1: craziest story of all time. Now, like I said, I

1004
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 1: understood investing in him. I think he's a really talented player.

1005
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:41,800
Speaker 1: And like any business, when you when you invest early

1006
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:43,200
Speaker 1: in a guy and get him for cheap and then

1007
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:45,840
Speaker 1: are around the person or around the company and believe

1008
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:47,160
Speaker 1: in it, and you put all your chips in the

1009
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:49,480
Speaker 1: middle of the table, I get it, and I applaud

1010
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:52,640
Speaker 1: and admire people for doing that. They put their chips

1011
00:59:52,680 --> 00:59:54,800
Speaker 1: in the middle of the table because they believe this

1012
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:58,600
Speaker 1: guy could be a consistent All Pro Pro Bowl player.

1013
00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:00,880
Speaker 1: The Dolphins put all their chips in the middle of

1014
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:04,480
Speaker 1: the table because they ask themselves, how do we upgrade

1015
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:09,120
Speaker 1: to me, there are two separate ways of life. All

1016
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:11,160
Speaker 1: chips on the table because we believe this guy can

1017
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:13,720
Speaker 1: lead us to a super Bowl. The Dolphins are like, yeah,

1018
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:17,200
Speaker 1: we just like being in the mix. We like we're content.

1019
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:22,240
Speaker 1: They they in a weird way. They spend a lot

1020
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:25,080
Speaker 1: of money to take the easy way out. The Packers

1021
01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:30,440
Speaker 1: invest in risk that they feel pretty confident that is

1022
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:32,920
Speaker 1: going to work out, which I get, which a lot

1023
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:35,600
Speaker 1: of people in the investing world like, once they get

1024
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:38,680
Speaker 1: a pretty good idea, it's like quadruple our investment. That's

1025
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:41,080
Speaker 1: what it felt they did because they feel the ceiling

1026
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 1: is really really high. But hall of fame all that

1027
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:47,960
Speaker 1: stuff like that's that's hard to do it. It's hard

1028
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:50,080
Speaker 1: to talk about hall of fame with like that question

1029
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:54,040
Speaker 1: on the Niners, because I hold the Hall of Fame

1030
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:58,360
Speaker 1: to like Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Steve Young, John Elway,

1031
01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:01,680
Speaker 1: Dan Marino, Aaron ros Like it's a special club. There's

1032
01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:04,640
Speaker 1: been a lot of good players, a lot of really

1033
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:08,960
Speaker 1: good players. Right. You could make the argument that Ben

1034
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:12,120
Speaker 1: Roethlisberger isn't a Hall of Famer, and there were parts

1035
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:16,480
Speaker 1: in points in time in his career where I thought

1036
01:01:16,520 --> 01:01:19,280
Speaker 1: it was as good as it gets. Eli Manning, his

1037
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:21,240
Speaker 1: two Super Bowl runs were incredible to me. He's not

1038
01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:23,160
Speaker 1: a Hall of Famer. Now, I think those guys are

1039
01:01:23,160 --> 01:01:25,640
Speaker 1: going to get in. I like thinking of the Hall

1040
01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:28,760
Speaker 1: of Fame as like the cream of the crop. Lt. Dion,

1041
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:35,800
Speaker 1: Barry Sanders, Walter Payton, Jonathan Ogden, Ray Lewis. I mean,

1042
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:38,960
Speaker 1: there are no I don't like question marks with my

1043
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:40,560
Speaker 1: Hall of Famers, but that's not the way it works.

1044
01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:43,880
Speaker 1: Like it was John Lynch a Hall of Famer. I

1045
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:46,200
Speaker 1: think he was right on the borderline and probably in

1046
01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:48,760
Speaker 1: a perfect world Like no, he's the Hall of unreal

1047
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:51,800
Speaker 1: really good. But like when I think Hall of Famer,

1048
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:55,280
Speaker 1: I think Ronnie Lot, but that's not, you know, the

1049
01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:56,840
Speaker 1: high I think it's fair to say the Hall of

1050
01:01:56,840 --> 01:01:59,280
Speaker 1: Fame has been diluted a little bit. It doesn't mean

1051
01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:02,640
Speaker 1: the guys they're getting weren't really good, but there should

1052
01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:07,000
Speaker 1: be a fine line of like there are guys in

1053
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:09,360
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame that when everyone's dead and up

1054
01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:13,840
Speaker 1: in football heaven, like does Deon Sanders and Ladanian, Tomlinson

1055
01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:19,560
Speaker 1: and and El Lawrence Taylor and me and Joe Green,

1056
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:22,560
Speaker 1: like they don't have the same things in common with

1057
01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:26,080
Speaker 1: some of the other guys in there. But like, guys

1058
01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:28,280
Speaker 1: get in, and I'm not trying to diminish. If you're in,

1059
01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:32,840
Speaker 1: you're in, and you obviously had an unreal career. But

1060
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:37,840
Speaker 1: before we can put Jordan Love into the hall, let's

1061
01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:40,560
Speaker 1: just see him make a Pro Bowl, you know, and

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Speaker 1: not one of those well three guys. One dude's in

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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, the other dude is playing in the

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Speaker 1: Pebble Beach Golf tournament, and the other dude just didn't

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Speaker 1: want to show up. He took his wife to Tuloom.

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Speaker 1: Let's like the real Pro Bowl. Like to me, there's

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Speaker 1: two different Pro Bowls. We see it every year. Six

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Speaker 1: guys make the Pro Bowl and then ultimately Mac Jones

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Speaker 1: ends up in there. But like last year, Mahomes, Josh Allen,

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Speaker 1: lamar legit Pro Bowls. I think the NFC was Dak

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Speaker 1: Purdy and Goff. Now I don't know if all those

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Speaker 1: guys even went or whatever, but obviously Perty didn't. He

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Speaker 1: was in the Super Bowl. And say with Mahomes, Josh Allen,

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Speaker 1: backed out, so all these other guys. I think Derek

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Speaker 1: Carr ended up in the Pro Bowl last year, It's like, no,

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Speaker 1: he wasn't a true pro bowler. So to me, people

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Speaker 1: try to act like the Pro Bowl doesn't matter, and

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Speaker 1: I agree, like the events stoopid and everything now, But

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Speaker 1: if you are a legit pro bowler, like Justin Jefferson

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Speaker 1: or TJ. Watt, like when the first team comes out

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Speaker 1: before people drop out, that's a real honor. That's a

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Speaker 1: real honor. Once you drop out and fake people get

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Speaker 1: in that then it gets diluted. And I think on

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Speaker 1: the Wikipedia it doesn't discriminate between the two. It's like

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Speaker 1: Derek Carr's made like four Pro Bowls. I think he's

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Speaker 1: made legitimately like one, and a lot of guys have

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Speaker 1: backed out and I'm just using him as an example.

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Speaker 1: But let's just see Jordan Love make a Pro Bowl.

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Speaker 1: The volume