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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: The end of the month, we've got Easter. So this

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Speaker 2: is a really good week month of a lot of

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Speaker 2: really neat things going on. And as a lot of

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Speaker 2: you know, I've already signed up for TikTok. I decided

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Speaker 2: to be a rebel against what's going on in the

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Speaker 2: news and all that kind of thing. I guess with

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Speaker 2: the TikTok, but I guess it's a good time to join.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of pr going on about it. But

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Speaker 2: I hope that you'll join me too. I'm getting my

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Speaker 2: following up and if you go on to TikTok, you

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Speaker 2: can find me at Connie Willis Live, Connie Willis Life.

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Speaker 2: If you see a Connie Willis Shop, that's me too,

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Speaker 2: because I used to be on Home Shopping Network BBC

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Speaker 2: and commercials doing all that. So of course you got

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Speaker 2: to pitch some stuff, right, That's what it's all about.

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Speaker 2: I know a lot of you miss that, so so

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Speaker 2: do I. So I'm going to check that out too,

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Speaker 2: but please go there and don't just like everything follow

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Speaker 2: as well. It's interesting because I say the word rebel,

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Speaker 2: I don't know where that came from. But yeah, I

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Speaker 2: guess that's a little bit of a rebel going up

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Speaker 2: against what's going on with the TikTok world. You can

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Speaker 2: also find me at Connie Willis dot com and all

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Speaker 2: my shows will be heading over there to TikTok because

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Speaker 2: it's live. It's really fun. So anyway, I'm over there,

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Speaker 2: and as I'm over there, I see that the guest

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Speaker 2: that we have on tonight is also over there, and

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Speaker 2: he's been helping me to get my followers. So I

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Speaker 2: really appreciate that he's got all these people. He's on

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Speaker 2: TikTok as well. He's got all these people on there,

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Speaker 2: and I said, well, you've already got a following or

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Speaker 2: something like that, and he's like, no, I did that

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Speaker 2: in Spain, so I got to get back into it.

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Speaker 2: So while he was living in Spain, he was doing

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Speaker 2: the TikTok and he's like all over social media. It's

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Speaker 2: absolutely amazing. So somebody had actually mentioned that there was

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Speaker 2: this book that George Christi Junior, who was like, he's

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Speaker 2: former Hell's Angel president of the Ventura Club thirty five

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Speaker 2: years but he has this book out and somebody just wrote, hey,

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Speaker 2: he's got a book. It'd be really cool if you

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Speaker 2: interviewed him, and I golly got ahold of him very quickly,

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Speaker 2: which surprised me.

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Speaker 3: That was really cool.

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Speaker 2: And then we've been talking ever since. You know, it's

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Speaker 2: it's funny, and George doesn't know this yet. Yeah, George,

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Speaker 2: we're buzz. We're pals now. But but I don't give

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Speaker 2: my number out because it's only one number is my number,

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Speaker 2: you know, so it's not like I have a work

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Speaker 2: number or office number or anything like that. So I

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Speaker 2: always talk to people on a messenger. But the one

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Speaker 2: time I give my number out there, it is so

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Speaker 2: I know he's got to guard it with his life.

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Speaker 2: But it's just funny because my dad would be like,

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Speaker 2: what's going on, what's going on?

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Speaker 3: What are you doing?

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Speaker 2: Who'd you give that number two? And he's you're gonna

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Speaker 2: he's he's he's great. George is very nice, very sweet guy.

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Speaker 2: And it's exciting to be able to talk to somebody

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Speaker 2: with such a phenomenal background when people say, well, wait,

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Speaker 2: what's going on? Why would you have him on? He's phenomenal,

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Speaker 2: that's why phenomenal. In fact, a lot of email coming

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Speaker 2: to me saying I can't wait, I can't wait. I

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Speaker 2: can't wait till tonight. So here we are. But you know, George,

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Speaker 2: I don't even know what to say to bring you

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Speaker 2: I'm certainly not going to read it. It's way too long.

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Speaker 2: I just know what I know right now. And first

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Speaker 2: of all, the first thing is this is the first

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Speaker 2: time you've ever been on Coast to Coast and you

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Speaker 2: are George, Christy and Junior and of course big, big

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Speaker 2: part of Hell's Angels. So first of all, let me

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Speaker 2: just welcome you to Coast to Coast.

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Speaker 3: Well, thank you very much. I'm happy to be here.

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Speaker 3: I haven't done a radio show in a long time,

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Speaker 3: so I'm kind of excited about it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's nice, right, you can just be on the phone,

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Speaker 2: I'm already getting a visual. Well, good for you. I

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Speaker 2: you know it's interesting because I mean, you and I've

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Speaker 2: been talking back and forth. You've been helping me to

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Speaker 2: get followers, and we're talking about how many steps we take,

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Speaker 2: and I go five miles. You were doing some steps

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Speaker 2: you're doing the exercising and it's just fun to talk

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Speaker 2: with you. And that's how I first just met you,

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Speaker 2: just like trying to get you on the show. And

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Speaker 2: then you had pointed out some things for me to watch,

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Speaker 2: like the History Channel show. And because I thought, well,

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Speaker 2: I know about Hell's Angels. All I know about Hell's

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Speaker 2: Angels growing up was my dad and his reaction. And

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Speaker 2: you all would be in the news and Dad would

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Speaker 2: do this number. He'd go WHOA. Now that WHOA was

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Speaker 2: either okay, back off, scared to death or WHOA, all right,

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Speaker 2: they're right there with us. That was kind of what

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Speaker 2: I think, Well, my day would have either or depending

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Speaker 2: on what the story was, what.

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Speaker 3: You can fall fall into either category.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it would be out of respect or okay, okay,

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Speaker 2: everybody just back up out of fear. Well I guess

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Speaker 2: both would be out of respect. Actually let them do

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Speaker 2: their thing, that's what they do. So it was like that.

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Speaker 2: And when I talked to you. When I first talked

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Speaker 2: to you, you said, Connie, you can ask me anything

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Speaker 2: you want. And I think you even said people like

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Speaker 3: I mean people ask me all types of questions, and

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Speaker 3: I always try to answer me. You know, people leader

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Speaker 3: are going to like me or they're gonna hate me. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you know, what are you going to do? You just

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Speaker 3: have to live your life for yourself. Yeah, let them

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Speaker 3: sort it out. I don't worry about sorting it out.

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Speaker 3: I know where I'm going.

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Speaker 3: I'd go where any rotates me.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad you pointed me out to the History Channel

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Speaker 3: I really the History Channel. The History Channel was a

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Speaker 3: good series of outlaw chronicles. A History Channel called it

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Speaker 3: I've never watched it, but you know I did it,

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Speaker 3: And then I went to the halfway house in Los

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Speaker 3: I'd been on sixty Minutes with Mike Wallace, a lot

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Speaker 2: Where was that shot?

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Speaker 3: It was shot in twenty fifteen?

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Speaker 2: Oh wow? Okay, it was great. You did a great

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I appreciate you saying that. I you know,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that brings me to asking you this question, okay,

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Speaker 2: because that that was perfect because I thought about this

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Speaker 2: as I was watching yourself. I mean, you did a

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Speaker 2: great job on it. You look like you've been doing

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Speaker 2: caused a problem. You did it was it was excellent.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, man, I know he's just doing that straight up.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, tonight's going to be the same way.

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Speaker 2: And I think I think the reason why the TV

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Speaker 2: Because I know I've been going where do I start?

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Speaker 2: What he's got so much going on? Where did I start?

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Speaker 2: So from what you just said, I'll ask something. I

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Speaker 2: don't know, it might be crazy to ask it or not,

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Speaker 2: but how do you look when you look back at yourself?

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Speaker 2: Do you think you were tough, a punk, a hero,

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Speaker 2: an idiot. I mean, what would you say looking back, Well, I.

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Speaker 3: Think that I was a motorcycle enthusiast, had come out

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Speaker 3: that brotherhood. And you know, that's the way the club

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Speaker 3: was established, not just our club, but all the outlaw

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Speaker 3: I don't know, but they came home tried to re entry,

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Speaker 2: California, and that's where you are.

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Speaker 3: And that's where I am, and I'm in Ventura, California.

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Speaker 3: I ran with the you know, few by clubs in

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Speaker 2: And why was that, Why did all of a sudden

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, we uh certainly had a bad reputation

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Speaker 3: and Mouldly Marvin, Moly, Marvin and I Moly. Marvin was

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Speaker 3: you know, just said, you guys have a terrible reputation,

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Speaker 3: and Marvin told him that's correct, and we worked hard

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Speaker 3: and you know, we didn't give me damn what society thought.

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Speaker 3: But you know, it cut both ways for us. You know,

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Speaker 3: we had a lot of fun, a lot of excitement,

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Speaker 2: So just because of my lack of knowledge of all

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Speaker 2: but was it work? And you're and you're saying we

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Speaker 3: I think a combination of everything. I think that if

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Speaker 3: You know, they're going to see a movie, they expect

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Speaker 3: you know, but you know, the people that create these

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Speaker 3: the government always contended we were a criminal organization. You know,

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Speaker 3: we're not a criminal organization. We're in an organization that has

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Speaker 3: you know, why tack on us. You know, I'm being

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Speaker 3: you know, you know, I we've been able to UH

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Speaker 3: They also get support from all these different law enforcement agencies.

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Speaker 3: Coding Wyoming's the biggest example of I think they got

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Speaker 3: we were coming there and I wound It's interesting because

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Speaker 3: And he's retired now like I'm retired, but we still

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