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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 1: production of iHeartRadio. Hello, welcome back to the show. My

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Speaker 1: name is Matt, my name is Noel. They called me Ben.

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Speaker 1: We're joined as always with our superproducer Alexis codenamed Doc

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Speaker 1: Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you are you. You are here,

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Speaker 1: and that makes this the stuff they don't want you

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Speaker 1: to know. We always like to say you are here

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Speaker 1: because we hope you are. And we are very excited

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Speaker 1: today to introduce you to several of our fellow conspiracy realists.

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Speaker 1: We are going to We're going to talk about the

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Speaker 1: possibilities of time travel, which is always a trip for us.

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Speaker 1: Check out our earlier episodes on that. There's some fantastic

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Speaker 1: news that one of our one of our pals has

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Speaker 1: hipped us to. We're also going to talk horror movies

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Speaker 1: because we love them. We exist in the land of

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Speaker 1: Eternal Halloween and have no regrets nor compunctions about that.

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Speaker 1: But before we do any of that, Matt Noel code

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Speaker 1: named Doc Ben. Oh okay cool. Also, we had a

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Speaker 1: we had a lot of people. I think we hit

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Speaker 1: a porsign nerve when we talked about super pick. Porsign right,

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Speaker 1: doesn't sound like pig, but that's yes, yes, So why

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Speaker 1: don't we open up with an excellent series of emails

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Speaker 1: from one fellow conspiracy realist who chooses to go by

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Speaker 1: the code name Jagermeister. And before we before we get

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Speaker 1: into this, uh gotta tell you, but you brought up

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Speaker 1: some really intense sense memories when we heard your code name,

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Speaker 1: because Gagermeister is a period in our collective lives that

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Speaker 1: I don't think any of us are in a hurry

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Speaker 1: to relive memory. Indeed, taste out of my mouth. I know,

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Speaker 1: I remember. I remember personally, many years ago, I was

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Speaker 1: dating a girl whose father looked exactly like Charles Manson,

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Speaker 1: and he lived in a little trailer in a rural airfield.

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Speaker 1: It's a very different time, and his thing was Yeagermeister,

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Speaker 1: and so we could hang out and drink. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: be honest, we were not drinking age. We could hang

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Speaker 1: out and drink with this guy, but only if we

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Speaker 1: drank Yeagermeister or Goldschlager, which you would accept as a substitute. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that should be considered a crime against humanity. Well, it's

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Speaker 1: definitely a crime to give underage children boots. Been generating

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Speaker 1: insult to injury, you know, I mean something, Give him

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Speaker 1: something good. This is why I don't talk too much

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Speaker 1: about my personal life. I feel like everything I say

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Speaker 1: just makes things sound increasingly sketchy. But with this in mind, Jagermeister,

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Speaker 1: We're gonna go with your code name, and we invite

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Speaker 1: you to explore other alcohol expirits. You know, the world

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Speaker 1: is yours, be the change bro. Okay, So here's what

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Speaker 1: jager Meister says. Hey, guys, First off, just wanted to

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Speaker 1: say I love the show. My name is Hunter or

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Speaker 1: code name Yagermeister. Feel free to use either name honestly, respectfully.

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Speaker 1: I think I'm probably gonna go with Hunter. I recently

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Speaker 1: got into listening to podcast at work, and you Alls

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Speaker 1: is one of the first I found. I am a

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Speaker 1: heavy equipment operator, so I'm able to listen to about

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Speaker 1: five to six hours worth of episodes a day, and

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Speaker 1: right right, And so Hunter says, Anyways, the reason I'm

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Speaker 1: Like I said, I love the show and you guys

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Speaker 1: it interesting. Well. Thank you a hunter. First off, first questions.

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Speaker 1: because these things are a menace, and not in a cool,

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Speaker 1: eat the pigs. The meat is super tough, It tastes horrible,

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Speaker 1: It has a smell that is quote amazingly off putting.

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Speaker 1: That's gonna be the best thing you've ever tasted in

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Speaker 1: say you've got ten of these quantum systems that they've built, right,

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Speaker 1: ten of them. Each one of those ten is running

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Speaker 1: an experiment that's going to run for ten years NonStop.

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Speaker 1: It's going to run this experiment for ten years. They're saying.

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Speaker 1: In this system, if you wanted to have one of

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Speaker 1: those ten year long experiments run for ten years within

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Speaker 1: the span of one year, so basically accelerate the time

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Speaker 1: of that system, they could theoretically pull one year from

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Speaker 1: each of the other nine systems and funnel it into

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Speaker 1: the one system, so that this one system essentially evolves

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Speaker 1: or runs that experiment for the span of ten years,

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Speaker 1: is just condensed into one actual human year, which I

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Speaker 1: understood some of those words. Yeah, okay, so theoretically all

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Speaker 1: this is really doing it. It's in the final paragraph

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Speaker 1: of this article. The point isn't jetting off to the

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Speaker 1: distant future of twenty fifteen is in like going back

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Speaker 1: to the future to twenty fifteen. But the ability to

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Speaker 1: increase the capability of quantum processors by arming them with

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Speaker 1: the possibility of reversing errors in a system, Now, that's

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Speaker 1: really interesting to me. So if we were talking about

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Speaker 1: a quantum computing system, right, and it's running doing a

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Speaker 1: bunch of processes going and going, going, and it made

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Speaker 1: an error or a couple of errors, the idea that

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Speaker 1: it could somehow the system itself could somehow go back

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Speaker 1: in time while it's still processing up here, you know,

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Speaker 1: at the leading edge of time, it can go back

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Speaker 1: and fix those processes simultaneously or something like that. Maybe

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Speaker 1: that's a super dumbing down of what's being said here,

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Speaker 1: But I don't you can know. I'm just no, you

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Speaker 1: know what I need. I need to correct myself as

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Speaker 1: well here, man, because I'm realizing now that I was

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Speaker 1: referring to a different experiment, which is older in in

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Speaker 1: this series of experiments, our Austrian friends have proven that

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Speaker 1: it's possible to accelerate, decelerate, and reverse the flow of times.

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Speaker 1: So they they got there. This is okay. So the

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Speaker 1: weird thing is this is still exploration of the natural world, right,

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Speaker 1: just at a very very small level, like they're observing

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Speaker 1: processes that have already been occurring. They didn't make something new,

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Speaker 1: They just figured out how to see it. Is that correct? Sure?

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Speaker 1: What is a quantum switch? Stop? Listen? This is a call.

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Speaker 1: This is a call to physicists out there. Does anyone

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Speaker 1: specialize in this? Can anyone dumb this death down? For

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Speaker 1: some some guys who honestly, I feel like we have

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Speaker 1: some pretty intellectual conversations about complicated and complex stuff, but

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Speaker 1: I still can't wrap my head around. Yeah. I don't

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Speaker 1: know about you, guys. I am always trying to learn

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Speaker 1: more about something, and I'm transparent here when I say

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Speaker 1: this is still hard at least for me to grasp.

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Speaker 1: So if you're an expert in the potential of quote

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Speaker 1: unquote time travel with subatomic particles, please do us a

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Speaker 1: favor and send us an email before we record this episode. Yep, yeah, please, God, please,

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Speaker 1: ah please. This is this feels like the kind of

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Speaker 1: research and understanding of the physical world and you know

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Speaker 1: subatomic world that happens right before everything collapses, you know,

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Speaker 1: because it's class like seven times before this. Oh, I

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Speaker 1: think this is what happens every time. Oh, you know what, Yeah, expert,

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Speaker 1: send us an email before we record this conversation. Oh dude, right,

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Speaker 1: all right, well that's a look, that's all I've got. Guys.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Sammy, we failed you. Well, let's let's point

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Speaker 1: to another article here. You can find in l pia's

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Speaker 1: U P L E L Space p ai S Very

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Speaker 1: Big Journal's mallet. Here. It's in their Science and Tech

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Speaker 1: in English. It is titled we have made science Fiction

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Speaker 1: Come true. Scientists prove particles in a quantum system can

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Speaker 1: be rejuvenated and so can dreams, Yes, be rejuvenated and

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Speaker 1: also come true. That's it. Uh. Here are our sponsors,

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Speaker 1: and we've returned for a fun, a fun thing. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna do that Ben teased earlier. Um, we're gonna hear

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Speaker 1: from a listener. But then we're gonna open up the

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Speaker 1: conversation to talk a little bit about the spooky movies

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Speaker 1: that we all like. It's kind of perma Halloween here,

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Speaker 1: like Ben said, at stuff they don't want you to know.

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Speaker 1: Let me pull up this here email from Joe who says, Hi, everyone,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure this is probably already on your radars if

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Speaker 1: you're horror movie fans. But I just finished the episode

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Speaker 1: you get on sleep paralysis and shadow people and other

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Speaker 1: fun sleep stuffs. If you haven't seen it yet, I

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Speaker 1: highly recommend the film Skin of Marink. It plays like

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Speaker 1: a fever dream when you're a little kid. It goes

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Speaker 1: to some pretty horrifying places involving small kids, so parents,

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Speaker 1: for sure beware. But it is one of the more

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Speaker 1: unique horror movies I've seen in a while. Boy Howdy,

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Speaker 1: It's a tough watch, but really good. I think love

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Speaker 1: the show. It keeps me company during the day, love

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Speaker 1: peace and cash, so I'll take some of that. Joe Ben,

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Speaker 1: I believe you saw Skin of Marink. I've been hearing

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Speaker 1: a lot about it, both good and ad which is

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Speaker 1: I think the case for a lot of sort of

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Speaker 1: otter or maybe unusual horror films, like one that I

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Speaker 1: really like call where Everyone's Going to the World's Fair.

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Speaker 1: People either loved it or hated it. It was kind

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Speaker 1: of low fi webcammy stuff, and I think this one

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Speaker 1: is kind of looks a little bit like Paranormal Activities,

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Speaker 1: but it is about some kids that wake up in

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Speaker 1: a pretty horrifying situation where like they don't have windows

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Speaker 1: in their house, anymore and their parents are gone. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you nailed it. So the the primary figures are Kevin

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Speaker 1: and Kyley, two siblings. The entire thing has a nightmarish,

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Speaker 1: fever dream vibe. I don't want to ruin too much

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Speaker 1: of it, but you already have seen probably some commentary

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Speaker 1: on this folks about analogs for child abuse and very

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Speaker 1: very disturbing, difficult, difficult stuff. I can see how this

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Speaker 1: would be divisive for some people. It's definitely not a

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Speaker 1: film that you would just put on in the background

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Speaker 1: and if i'nd with Some people found it profoundly disturbing.

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Speaker 1: Some people loved it, some people found it just sort

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Speaker 1: of lack luster. But for anybody who has listened to

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Speaker 1: our episodes on the Nature of Dreams, this, I think

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Speaker 1: this would be this would be very interesting. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we've been pretty fortunate, haven't we, to have so much

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Speaker 1: amazing horror coming out in recent years? Are you? Are

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Speaker 1: you guys planning to see Skinner mariey? No, I'm not

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Speaker 1: going to see it. No. Little kids stuff kind of

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Speaker 1: get you, so I am. My understanding is that there's

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Speaker 1: some harm to children in it, and I don't want to.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to go through that understood. Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: there there's an interesting story here because the um, the

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Speaker 1: guy who created this, Kyle Edward Ball, had YouTube channel

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Speaker 1: I think still has where people would comment and tell

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Speaker 1: them about their nightmares, and then you would make short

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Speaker 1: videos based on those stories. And I believe I haven't

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Speaker 1: looked into it, but I believe Skinner Marink comes from that,

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Speaker 1: and the tier pointill about it seeming kind of low

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Speaker 1: five for people. I think the budget was something like

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Speaker 1: fifteen thousand dollars, which is huge for individual person, but

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Speaker 1: very very bootstrap and shoe string for a film. Actually,

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Speaker 1: our our superproducer codenamed Doc Holiday, when she's not slumming

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Speaker 1: it with us, she is a big wheel in the

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Speaker 1: world of production. So I think could probably confirm fifteen

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Speaker 1: thousand as a total budget for films. It's not that much,

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Speaker 1: right for a feature or for for a feature feature. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: oh no, that's yeah, fifteen thousand. That's that's that's that's

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Speaker 1: a that's a light, that's a lens, that's like crap services.

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Speaker 1: It's one person with a camera that they already own,

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Speaker 1: and two kids that are just friends and want to

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Speaker 1: make a fun movie with their pal and like a

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Speaker 1: cat pulling. Yeah, definitely. It really does remind me of

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Speaker 1: like the you know, kind of found footage craze that

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Speaker 1: got pretty annoying pretty quick, um, you know. I mean

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Speaker 1: obviously Paranormal Activities was made on a micro budget as well.

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Speaker 1: I remember the exact number. I think it was probably

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Speaker 1: more than that though, but definitely given the amount of

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Speaker 1: money that movie made and how many you know, offshoots

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Speaker 1: it spawned and copycats, I mean, that was a huge deal.

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Speaker 1: This seems a lot more creative than Paranormal activity I'm

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Speaker 1: not really a fan of those movies. I haven't seen it,

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Speaker 1: so I can't really say, but it's interesting though. I

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Speaker 1: think some people, you know, horror fans in particular, can

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Speaker 1: be a little bit petulant if I'm being completely honest,

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Speaker 1: or or a pedantic maybe is a better word. That's

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Speaker 1: that's a much better word in terms of like what

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Speaker 1: constitutes a horror movie and kind of what they're expecting.

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Speaker 1: And so a lot of times, if you see divisive

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Speaker 1: reviews for movies like this, sometimes the division comes from, like,

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Speaker 1: you know, the horror community maybe while critics are giving

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Speaker 1: it good reviews. So that's a thing that I've seen

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Speaker 1: is he was like a lot of the more upfair

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Speaker 1: critics like New York Times and stuff have been pretty

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Speaker 1: favorable about this, and it's definitely making some noise. But

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Speaker 1: I have seen some Rotten Tomatoes user review saying, don't

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Speaker 1: believe the high but it's totally boring. And but then again,

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Speaker 1: I saw some very similar reactions to that film. I

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Speaker 1: was talking about Everyone's coming, Everyone's going to the World's

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Speaker 1: Fair and or We're all going to the World's Fair.

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Speaker 1: And I loved that movie and did find it unsettling,

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Speaker 1: and it really didn't match up with the zeitgeisty thing,

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Speaker 1: which is like kind of chronically online you know, zenials

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Speaker 1: or whatever that that group was called. Could you give

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Speaker 1: everybody like the kind of the high level description of

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Speaker 1: Everybody's coming to the World's Fair. Yeah, it's essentially it's

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Speaker 1: like a creepy pasta kind of thing where you're experiencing

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Speaker 1: it through the eyes and literally the webcam and these

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Speaker 1: kind of confessional you know, web diaries of this of

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Speaker 1: the main protagonist. And there's this this creepy pasta challenge

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Speaker 1: where you go online and you you make a video

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Speaker 1: where you say, we're all going to the World's Fair

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Speaker 1: a bunch of times, and then you play this like

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Speaker 1: this weird kind of epilepsy inducing you know, potentially video clip.

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Speaker 1: It's like the series of flashing lights and the whole time,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to give anything away, but you're not

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Speaker 1: quite sure if like it's working, and like she's kind

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Speaker 1: of commenting on like she's feeling these transformations. You don't

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Speaker 1: really know what it's supposed to do. But there's also these,

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Speaker 1: you know, cutaways to other people doing the challenge, and

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Speaker 1: some of them clearly being made by folks that are

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Speaker 1: like doing kind of cool diy VFX kind of stuff,

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Speaker 1: and you know, again you don't know some of these

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Speaker 1: are supposed to be real, some of them are clearly

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Speaker 1: just good after effects work, and that's sort of the point.

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Speaker 1: But it progresses and it's a lot of like is

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Speaker 1: she isn't she kind of you know, actually turning into

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Speaker 1: something demonic or whatever it might be. And that's all

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say. But it is all shot through webcam footage,

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Speaker 1: and at some point there's like some black light face

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00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,359
Speaker 1: paint stuff that really is unsettling. It's if you've seen

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Speaker 1: the poster of the film, then that's that's what you're seeing.

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Speaker 1: And it's got a really cool soundtrack or score by

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Speaker 1: the kind of indie artist Alex Gum, and it's it's

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Speaker 1: very it's it's just I loved it. I thought it

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Speaker 1: was really cool, and I hope to love Skinner Marink

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Speaker 1: as well. Because some folks that I whose opinions I value,

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Speaker 1: did like it. But then it's some folks whose opinions

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Speaker 1: I value also trashed it. So hard to say. My

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Speaker 1: understanding is that it's a highly disturbing, almost intellectual depiction

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Speaker 1: of childhood domestic abuse, and that like, that's why I'm

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Speaker 1: saying I don't want to see it, because that that,

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Speaker 1: to me is probably the most horrifying thing I can imagine.

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Speaker 1: M I somehow bet that it like a lot of

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Speaker 1: things happen off camera or implied well, especially given the

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Speaker 1: budget and stuff. But I can't say because I haven't.

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Speaker 1: Ben can you speak to without spoiling it? Like how

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Speaker 1: graphic is it? Well? There are you know, Hitchcock was

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Speaker 1: right when he said keep the monsters are scarier when

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Speaker 1: they're off screen to a large degree. So there are

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Speaker 1: there are sections just as a trigger warning that hint

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Speaker 1: it is about child abuse. That's probably the best way

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Speaker 1: to say it the most fair without spoiling. But also

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Speaker 1: you might be saying, hey, folks, why are you just

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Speaker 1: talking about movies in a show that is for conspiracy

643
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Speaker 1: realists and examines the stuff they don't want you to know. Well,

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Speaker 1: I would pause it that. Unfortunately, unfortunately, for many people,

645
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Speaker 1: domestic abuse is a grand conspiracy. So while I understand

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Speaker 1: one hundred percent that this can be incredibly uncomfortable and

647
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Speaker 1: rightly so, it is also something that happens to people,

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Speaker 1: and as such I feel like should should be explored.

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Speaker 1: It's not for nothing too, that we we try to

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Speaker 1: do trigger warnings just around thematic content that could just

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Speaker 1: discussing something like this could be triggering for certain folks

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Speaker 1: that may be experienced it without having to have any

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Speaker 1: graphic descriptions at all. So even if a movie, you know,

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Speaker 1: a good film and a good horror film kind of

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Speaker 1: takes you psychologically to a place, if maybe you're not

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Speaker 1: signed up for that going in, Even if there are

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Speaker 1: no actual on screen depictions of violence toward children, just

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Speaker 1: the thematic elements of it, and if it's done well

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Speaker 1: could be troubling in a way that you don't want

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Speaker 1: to be a part of, you know, and I think

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Speaker 1: that's true of things like films depicting school shooters for example.

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Speaker 1: You know, while a lot of the maybe better ones,

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Speaker 1: that stuff doesn't happen on screen at all. That stuff

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Speaker 1: it's it's offscreen. You know, the violence actually happens off screen,

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Speaker 1: but it's still something very triggering for anyone, because it's

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Speaker 1: all about atmosphere, you know. And and it seems to

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Speaker 1: me like this movie is skinnamer rank rather and also

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Speaker 1: World Fair are are very atmosphere driven films, and that's

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Speaker 1: what you have to do with a micro budget like that.

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Speaker 1: It's all about atmosphere. And that's I think to me

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Speaker 1: the magic of cinema when it's done real, when it's

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Speaker 1: done well. Yeah, and you know, you see you see

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Speaker 1: divisiveness in other other films that approach very uncomfortable things

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Speaker 1: we've I can't remember we talked about on air, but

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Speaker 1: off air. Another film in the conspiracy horror genre is Hereditary.

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Speaker 1: And Hereditary yeah because it because it was originally written

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Speaker 1: entirely as as a harrowing story about a family trying

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Speaker 1: to navigate and process grief when one of their children

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Speaker 1: dies spoiler. And if you read interviews, the creator of

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Speaker 1: that universe is pretty upfront by saying, look, I had

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Speaker 1: this story. It's very powerful, to disturbing story about families

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Speaker 1: navigating grief, and I couldn't sell it. So I made

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Speaker 1: it a horror film and added supernatural elements. And I

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Speaker 1: think to some folks hearing that, they might I roll

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Speaker 1: or something be like, oh, as you just shoehorned in

686
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Speaker 1: all this spooky stuff. That is not what that movie is.

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Speaker 1: I never would have known this or guess that in

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Speaker 1: a million years, because it all just feels like it was,

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Speaker 1: you know, crafted at once, you know the I think

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Speaker 1: that movie is brilliant and brilliantly disturbing, and also some

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Speaker 1: of the scariest parts in it aren't the horrific scenes,

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Speaker 1: which there are plenty of that are actually very gory

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Speaker 1: and violent, Yeah, dude, But but just the grief part,

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Speaker 1: you know, the idea of losing a child and the

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Speaker 1: and just the absolute unhinged grief that Tony Collette displays.

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Speaker 1: I mean, and it's such a bummer that. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I don't give a crap about the Academy Awards. Really,

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Speaker 1: it's just more of like a interesting metric for like

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Speaker 1: movies that are you know, that are doing cool stuff.

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Speaker 1: But I'm more interested maybe some of the lesser, you know,

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Speaker 1: European film festivals that that maybe give stuff to stuff

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Speaker 1: that's a little more deserving. But Tony Collette should have

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Speaker 1: been nominated for an Oscar for that performance. But the

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Speaker 1: Academy don't mess with horror movies. Yeah, it's bizarre. You

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Speaker 1: know what else should have gone an Academy Award's Army

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Speaker 1: of Darkness. Army of Darkness, Yes, the harrowing, nuanced depiction

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Speaker 1: of you know, life in the modern industrial age. How

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Speaker 1: much do we need machines before we become machines? Sir?

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Speaker 1: That movie takes place in the medieval era. Okay, I know,

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Speaker 1: I know. It's like i'd say, they are levels to

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Speaker 1: you know, just like in like you see It in

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Speaker 1: Its in Its Spiritual successor the unofficial sequel Police Academy

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Speaker 1: for all those. Yeah, those are snubbed by the Academy unfairly,

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Speaker 1: I would say. But the Army of Darkness is neat though,

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Speaker 1: and I would I mean, I know you're kind of

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Speaker 1: half joking, but like the style of VFX in that movie,

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Speaker 1: and like the whole like Ray Harry housing kind of

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Speaker 1: nods like with the you know what is adjacent the Argonauts,

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Speaker 1: the kind of likes hand done, the bespoke stop motion.

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Speaker 1: It's it's it doesn't age well, but they do it

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Speaker 1: such a way. When I say it is an age well,

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Speaker 1: I mean and compared to like more modern stuff. But

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Speaker 1: it looks so cool because it's like real skeletons that

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Speaker 1: are moving one little, you know, frame at a time,

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Speaker 1: and I just think it's great than all of the

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Speaker 1: practical makeup effects and things that are in that movie.

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Speaker 1: Sam Raamy's awesome. And then of course, you know he

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Speaker 1: went on to do all the big spider Spider Man movies.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying he was doing. I want to have

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Speaker 1: some fun with my horror movies. You know, I love

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Speaker 1: existential horror. I love really scary things and monsters and

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Speaker 1: all that stuff. I just don't want it to be

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Speaker 1: like a like a full on, all encompassing downer to

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Speaker 1: the point where my brain and I'm just like I

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Speaker 1: want it to be you know, give me some sugar

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Speaker 1: baby and those kind of one liners and all that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: like I love that, Like like I love slapstick horror

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Speaker 1: or you know, the Shining the Witch, like the Carnival

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Speaker 1: of Souls, you know what I mean, give me, give

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00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 1: me some laughs, prat falls, give me prat falls. Those

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Speaker 1: are obviously, if anyone is aware, those are very intense

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Speaker 1: dramatic horror movies have been just named whatever. Yeah, I mean, well,

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Speaker 1: one that I was going to bring up that is

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Speaker 1: absolutely not for the faint of heart but still uses

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Speaker 1: all these practical effects. I think I maybe mentioned it

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Speaker 1: briefly before, a Taiwanese horror film called The Sadness, which

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Speaker 1: is so over the top and cartoonishly gory that it

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Speaker 1: eventually desensitizes you to it a bit um and then

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Speaker 1: they'll just up the annie you know, even further. It

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Speaker 1: is not for the faint of heart. I watched it

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Speaker 1: with my girlfriend, who has this rule that she'll never

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Speaker 1: not watch a movie like to its completion, and this

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00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 1: was apparently the biggest slog for her ever of anything

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Speaker 1: that I've forced her to watch. Oh, I do the

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Speaker 1: ten minute rule. I give it ten minutes. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: that's fair. But my partner can't do that. They can't

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00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 1: do that. Yeah, I'm with you. Um again, I don't

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Speaker 1: believe in the sunk cost fallacy either, but that's just

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Speaker 1: differences in our personalities. And she did make it all

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Speaker 1: the way through. But this is a it's a zombie

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Speaker 1: film where the zombies are like megamega fast, and they

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Speaker 1: aren't just mindless like flesh and brain seekers. They essentially

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Speaker 1: become victim to the most despicable violent impulses that any

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Speaker 1: human being could be capable of. And the kicker is

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Speaker 1: the name. The sadness comes from the fact that they

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Speaker 1: anyone that's that's been infected. It's a virus situation infected

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Speaker 1: by this. Their real personality is somewhere deep down in

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Speaker 1: there watching the whole thing. And so all of the

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Speaker 1: zombies quote unquote are like weeping and that is their

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Speaker 1: internal voice of reason and h and morality, just being

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Speaker 1: horrified by what their he is doing. Well, good night everybody,

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. We hope you sleep well. By the way,

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Speaker 1: if you started listening to this episode not knowing this

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Speaker 1: was on the way, Oh your dreams, send me, send

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Speaker 1: me descriptions of your nightmas, send it to us. I

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Speaker 1: want to hear about your dreams, but only if they're scary.

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Speaker 1: That's gonna be great. Out of context quote, we know

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Speaker 1: a lot of us in the audience day. A lot

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Speaker 1: of us are fans of horror, and you know, sometimes

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Speaker 1: critics will dunk on genre film, just like they'll dunk

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Speaker 1: on you know, genre books or whatever. But horror seems

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Speaker 1: to play, I would say, an incredibly important role in

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Speaker 1: human society. You know. It's a new way for people

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Speaker 1: to explore things that are sometimes taboo, sometimes not spoken about.

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Speaker 1: And it's a it's a mirror that you can hold

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Speaker 1: up to yourself, you know, which I don't know. It

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Speaker 1: sounds like cliche. Let's let's get out of here before

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Speaker 1: I get all fortune Cookie style, and I'm like, oh,

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Speaker 1: the Journey of Thousand Films beginnings with you know, the

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Speaker 1: first play button. Oh my god, never mind, No, what

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Speaker 1: are some of your favorite horror movies? We'd love to know.

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Speaker 1: I think we're all into it, invested in various ways.

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Speaker 1: You can write to us. You can reach out to

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Speaker 1: us in various ways as well. On the internet, for example,

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Speaker 1: we are conspiracy stuff on Facebook, on YouTube and on Twitter,

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Speaker 1: Conspiracy Stuff show on Instagram and TikTok. And if you

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Speaker 1: like to use your phone to call people, which is

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Speaker 1: apparently not something many people like to do anymore, as

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Speaker 1: I have learned from my colleagues. Sorry, guys, that's my bad.

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Speaker 1: I like to call them way more than they're comfortable

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Speaker 1: with me calling them. And that's okay. No, you're fine.

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Speaker 1: I have a very short list. You're on it. I

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Speaker 1: think I sent you all that list one time. That's right,

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Speaker 1: that's right. But if you like to do that, why

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