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Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, Welcome to the Buck Brief. Frank Provone is
Speaker 2: with us now. He is the national director of Priests
Speaker 2: for Life. We got the March for Life coming up
Speaker 2: on Friday of this week and much to discuss. Frank,
Speaker 2: good to see you.
Speaker 1: Hey, Buck, good to be with you.
Speaker 2: Let's start with actually, before anything else, March for Life.
Speaker 2: I know you're very involved. We want people to know
Speaker 2: about it and want people to get involved too if
Speaker 2: they can. Well, can you tell us about this year's
Speaker 2: march and what it means.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be very significant. You know. These are the
Speaker 1: two largest annual events in the pro life movement in America.
Speaker 1: Happened in the next few days. The March for Life
Speaker 1: on Friday, and then the Walk for Life West Coast,
Speaker 1: which is the second largest event on Saturday in San Francisco.
Speaker 1: I'll be at both and one of the key themes
Speaker 1: that we're going to emphasize because we run the prayer
Speaker 1: service on the morning of the March for Life, is
Speaker 1: the cancel culture. As our listeners know, you know, we've
Speaker 1: got a weaponized government in America. Now we also have
Speaker 1: a weaponized government in the church, and a lot of
Speaker 1: people are aware. There was a bishop that was recently
Speaker 1: removed from his position because it was a little too outspoken.
Speaker 1: We're actually gonna honor him at the prayer service, Bishop
Speaker 1: Joseph Strickland, and we're gonna have Mark Halk the one
Speaker 1: of the people whose homes was raided by the FBI.
Speaker 1: He's full pro life activist, and yet the Biden administration
Speaker 1: came after him with federal charges. We're gonna pray that
Speaker 1: morning of the march for Live with these people and
Speaker 1: with pro lifers from across the country. And it's important
Speaker 1: this year that the pro life movement focus on this
Speaker 1: problem that we've got, because it ends up targeting all
Speaker 1: of them, all of those faithful people that are going
Speaker 1: to be there, that have marched every year and are
Speaker 1: trying to change things back home, you know, to protect
Speaker 1: the unborn. They're all the target of this weaponized government.
Speaker 1: So that's gonna be a key key theme of our
Speaker 1: activities the next few days.
Speaker 2: So tell me about this bishop you mentioned, a bishop
Speaker 2: who you said, well, tell me the backstory. I don't
Speaker 2: even I don't know what's going on with this one.
Speaker 2: I think people need so.
Speaker 1: Joseph Strickland was bishop of the Diocese of Tyler, Texas,
Speaker 1: relatively small diocese, but he got a national following because
Speaker 1: he was actually for example, he spoke out against Biden
Speaker 1: and his pro abortion policies. He spoke out to the
Speaker 1: other bishops says, hey, we got to be teaching the
Speaker 1: faith in the arena of politics. We got to be
Speaker 1: lifting up the unborn, no matter who wants to kill them.
Speaker 1: And and you know, he was putting the other bishops
Speaker 1: to shame, is what it boils down to. I mean,
Speaker 1: he wasn't saying anything that he shouldn't have been saying,
Speaker 1: but some of the other bishops wanted to kind of
Speaker 1: tone him down, you know, bring him into line with
Speaker 1: their own mediocrity, and he didn't go for that. So
Speaker 1: ultimately they convinced Pope Francis to remove him from his
Speaker 1: position in the diocese. This just happened a few months ago.
Speaker 1: And when they did that to him, similar to what
Speaker 1: they did to me a year ago. Will you and
Speaker 1: I have discussed it in past programs where they said
Speaker 1: you can't function as a priest anymore really for the
Speaker 1: same reasons. It's the it's the cancel culture in the church,
Speaker 1: when people are saying things that they consider too uh,
Speaker 1: too too political or too disruptive.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: And so now this bishop he's speaking out anyway, and
Speaker 1: I mean he's still a bishop, he's still in good standing,
Speaker 1: so to speak. Uh, And he's going around speaking at
Speaker 1: different events like the one we're going to have on Friday.
Speaker 2: I just I have a hard time with this. And
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't sit here and pretend like I'm
Speaker 2: super up on all things in the church, nor do
Speaker 2: I pretend that I'm the best practicing Catholic. Just keep
Speaker 2: that betraying me. I'm trying. I'm trying.
Speaker 1: I slowly.
Speaker 2: I got married in a church. You know, we we've
Speaker 2: talked about this, my wife. We want to raise our
Speaker 2: future children Catholic, and we're we're inching back toward. But anyway,
Speaker 2: this is me.
Speaker 1: I was happy to meet her by the way we
Speaker 1: were together at mar a Lago. Thank you for introducing me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, of course, no, she's she's wonderful, she's a
Speaker 2: great lady. But yeah, it feels like this pope is
Speaker 2: kind of a communist who does the bidding of the left,
Speaker 2: including on issues of life and LGBTQ rights. I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: that's just that's just how I feel.
Speaker 1: Well. I'm going to tell you something here, and I
Speaker 1: think probably many of our listeners will agree with this.
Speaker 1: I'm convinced there is a collaboration going on right now
Speaker 1: between some of these operatives in the Vatican and the
Speaker 1: operatives in the Biden administration. Really, I think, yes, I have.
Speaker 1: I've come across a number of things in some of
Speaker 1: my conversations and meetings and all the battles I've been
Speaker 1: having with the Catholic hierarchy. I think a lot of
Speaker 1: it is being a lot of the shots are being
Speaker 1: called by the Democrat Party, the same people who are
Speaker 1: weaponizing government in America against people like President Trump and
Speaker 1: and and and those who support him. I mean, this
Speaker 1: is the only thing that makes sense after a why
Speaker 1: you see all this stuff happening, And it's like your
Speaker 1: reaction was perfect just now because so many millions of
Speaker 1: people feel in the same way, says Hey, I can't
Speaker 1: make sense out of this. I mean, I know basically
Speaker 1: what the Church stands for, and this seems to be
Speaker 1: like just the opposite.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean in churches in New York City
Speaker 2: that I've been to Catholic churches in New York City,
Speaker 2: I can think of one in particular. You know, they'll
Speaker 2: they'll have banners that are Black Lives Matter and with
Speaker 2: you know, fish on them and things like this, right,
Speaker 2: and they'll have banners up in the church, you know,
Speaker 2: really big displays to that effect. And also they'll have
Speaker 2: LGBTQ plus meetups for young people that the church is sponsoring.
Speaker 2: That actually happened at my mom's church by the way.
Speaker 2: So yeah, and and look like whether what you know,
Speaker 2: people can we can talk about about all these things.
Speaker 2: I just think it's interesting that they will promote those things,
Speaker 2: which is I understand it are contrary to church. You know,
Speaker 2: well the BLM thing is a little more complicated, but
Speaker 2: you know, the LGBTQ thing, like the transgender issues things
Speaker 2: like that that I don't think it is sported about
Speaker 2: the church. But they will not touch abortion from the pulpit.
Speaker 2: This is a I do. I never hear them saying,
Speaker 2: hey New Yorkers, stop supporting abortion. And this isn't a
Speaker 2: Catholic church I'm talking about now, they won't.
Speaker 1: They won't do it, and that goes directly to the
Speaker 1: heart of my ministry and the conflicts I've had with
Speaker 1: some of this the hierarchy, because that's exactly when you
Speaker 1: think about priests for life. You know, people say to me, well,
Speaker 1: isn't every priest for life? And I respond, well, you know,
Speaker 1: priests basically are for life. We just helped them to
Speaker 1: say so. And because that's what's lacking. It's the say so,
Speaker 1: it's the priority. It's give a voice if you believe this,
Speaker 1: and many of them don't want to do that because,
Speaker 1: I mean, some of it is that they're just cowards
Speaker 1: or they don't know how to deal with opposition, but
Speaker 1: some of it is they're being told not to say it.
Speaker 1: I mean, I have memos that some of these bishops
Speaker 1: have sent out to their priests actually saying, do not
Speaker 1: preach about anything that's going to get the people angry
Speaker 1: or divide them. And it's like I thought our marching
Speaker 1: orders were to preach the word of the Lord, you know,
Speaker 1: or the Gospel of Jesus Christ, you know, not oh,
Speaker 1: don't get anybody angry. I mean, if Jesus had followed that,
Speaker 1: he would have never gotten crucified.
Speaker 2: It's remarkable to me because you know, I'll hear stories
Speaker 2: about I just heard one recently where, you know, a
Speaker 2: woman in a Catholic church who's sort of a friend
Speaker 2: of a friend who was divorced was denied communion by
Speaker 2: her parish priest. Now, I understand what the rules are
Speaker 2: supposed to be, but I also feel like every time
Speaker 2: anyone says, hey, should you know Nancy Pelosi and Joe
Speaker 2: Biden be denied communion for being leaders who are avowedly,
Speaker 2: avowedly pro abortion and and you know, or are doing
Speaker 2: everything to kind of make abortion happen as much as
Speaker 2: possible that somehow or we can't touch that, you can't
Speaker 2: go right, you know, Well, one is a much bigger
Speaker 2: deal than the other. I gotta you know, you know,
Speaker 2: taking public funds to fund millions of abortions across the country,
Speaker 2: it's much bigger deal to me. I'm not saying divorce
Speaker 2: isn't serious and harm, but much bigger deal than someone
Speaker 2: getting divorced, I would think. But the church comes down
Speaker 2: on one but not the other. It just seems to
Speaker 2: me like do we have rules or not?
Speaker 1: It makes no sense. And you know, some people that
Speaker 1: try to use the lame excuse that oh well, you know, God,
Speaker 1: no acknowledges are our weakness, and you know, and we're
Speaker 1: all imperfect. And you see the way that Biden, Pelosi
Speaker 1: and the Democrats deal with abortion. This is not weakness.
Speaker 1: This is not like we're trying to do the right
Speaker 1: thing and we kind of stumble and fall like we
Speaker 1: all do. They're running in the opposite direction.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're advocating for evil. They're advocating for that.
Speaker 1: That's right, that's the log in the short of it.
Speaker 2: It's remarkably you know, what would happen when when you
Speaker 2: were dealing with you with your stuff, Frank, if you
Speaker 2: were like, okay, yeah, I'm also a human being. I'm imperfect.
Speaker 2: You know. Well, that's right. They still want it to
Speaker 2: still wanted to punish you. Apparently that's right.
Speaker 1: Somehow that argument didn't work with them. It's the hypocrisies.
Speaker 1: I'm believing, you know what the good thing is if
Speaker 1: buck people are waken up to this. The people tell
Speaker 1: me all the time, they say, look, I see what's
Speaker 1: going on in the church, I see what's going on
Speaker 1: in the government. And it's like I'm going to keep
Speaker 1: speaking the right thing. I'm gonna keep doing the right thing,
Speaker 1: and I think we're at a moment now and we
Speaker 1: need it both in America and in the church, where
Speaker 1: the people themselves wake up, they get wise to the
Speaker 1: evil that's going on, and they say, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: this country is mine, this church is mine. I know
Speaker 1: the faith, I know the constitution. I'm going to live accordingly,
Speaker 1: and I'm going to defend those things no matter what
Speaker 1: some misguided people in authority are going to try to do.
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Speaker 2: One challenge we have here for anyone who's advocating for
Speaker 2: life now on the political scene is we keep being
Speaker 2: told this, and even some right wingers are saying, This'll
Speaker 2: be honest with you, people that are themselves pro life,
Speaker 2: but they're trying to strategize. They say, we keep losing
Speaker 2: ballot initiative in state after state. Roe is gone, but
Speaker 2: now the people are voting for at least some level
Speaker 2: of abortion. You can't argue just in favor of life.
Speaker 2: And when what do you say.
Speaker 1: To that we're not losing. These ballot initiatives are our lies.
Speaker 1: The other side is just better at lying than we are.
Speaker 1: And when you look at it, let me give you
Speaker 1: an example. In Montana, they fail to pass this measure
Speaker 1: that would protect babies after they survive in abortion. You say,
Speaker 1: oh my goodness, you know, are the people that turning
Speaker 1: that pro abortion? And no, after that thing passed, Montana
Speaker 1: legislature passed no less than ten measures limiting abortion. Now
Speaker 1: that also reflects the will of the people. In Florida,
Speaker 1: they're trying to get one of these amendments going. But
Speaker 1: in Florida, the last two legislative sessions, we've passed two
Speaker 1: one stronger than the other, life measures to increase protection
Speaker 1: for these babies. So it's like, you look at this, Okay,
Speaker 1: seven states, the ballot initiat has went the wrong way,
Speaker 1: But but twice as many states now protect babies from conception.
Speaker 1: So my argument is, and then you look at the
Speaker 1: state courts. You know, when these pro life laws are
Speaker 1: passed in these states, what are the state courts doing.
Speaker 1: They're upholding the laws. We've got victories in Indiana, in Georgia,
Speaker 1: in South Carolina and North Carolina. So we look at
Speaker 1: the whole picture and it's like, all right, what's going
Speaker 1: on here. Here's the reality when the abortion issue is
Speaker 1: dealt with through the legislative process and the court process.
Speaker 1: Because now Dobbs is president, no longer row we win.
Speaker 1: Why Because you have to wrestle with the issue. There's
Speaker 1: there's there's hearings, there's evidence, there's arguments, there's counter arguments,
Speaker 1: there's there's there's lobbying, at least in the legislative arena.
Speaker 1: And and and the more the American people wrestle with abortion,
Speaker 1: the less they want it. Now. Granted most people don't
Speaker 1: want an absolute prohibition on it, but overall Americans want
Speaker 1: less abortion, not more. These ballot initiatives only passed because
Speaker 1: it's what I call SoundBite voting. There's no debate, there's
Speaker 1: no analysis of this. The voter goes in and they
Speaker 1: saw one headline or they arned a sound bite. It's
Speaker 1: like they don't understand the deep meaning of this stuff.
Speaker 1: And you know, polling on this subsequent to the votes
Speaker 1: is showing is showing this. In Michigan, now they had
Speaker 1: their thing passed a year ago their ballot initiative, and
Speaker 1: now people are starting to say, wait a minute, why
Speaker 1: do we have these extreme policies with late term abortion
Speaker 1: or keeping not, you know, keeping forcing us to pay
Speaker 1: for it and whatnot. And even some of their Democrat
Speaker 1: lawmakers are starting to say this goes too far. So
Speaker 1: I think I don't think the other side is going
Speaker 1: to be able to get away with this kind of
Speaker 1: thing very many more times. We've got in Florida right now,
Speaker 1: our Supreme Court is looking at throwing this thing off
Speaker 1: the ballot all together because it's so vague. And I
Speaker 1: think that therefore, when we when we look at really
Speaker 1: the whole picture, we're not we're not losing. The other
Speaker 1: side just wants to spin that that notion, you know,
Speaker 1: and say, oh, abortion is a losing issue. My challenge
Speaker 1: to the other side is very simple, describe what you defend,
Speaker 1: and I think political candidates you need to use this.
Speaker 1: Ulators need to use this in debates over abortion. The
Speaker 1: last thing the other side wants to do is talk
Speaker 1: about abortion. They want they want to make it look
Speaker 1: like they bring it front and center. Oh, this is
Speaker 1: a winning issue for us, but they never want to
Speaker 1: actually talk about what it is because if they did,
Speaker 1: we win.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that one of the the big tell
Speaker 2: tales of this all along. And this is true in
Speaker 2: a range of different political issues, but on abortion, it's
Speaker 2: particularly obvious. Is there's all this language used to speak
Speaker 2: around an issue, right, reproductive rights? Yeah, why not just
Speaker 2: a abortion? Like if it's abortion, why not just abortion?
Speaker 2: Why come up with all these euphemisms? A woman's right
Speaker 2: to choose to choose what to choose, what she's not
Speaker 2: choosing a flower bouquet? Like what are we talking about here?
Speaker 1: You know what's very instructive about this when in Kansas,
Speaker 1: when they passed the law years ago stopping dismemberment abortion,
Speaker 1: when the Democrat legislators in Kansas stood up to debate
Speaker 1: against the bill, they didn't even say the name of
Speaker 1: the bill because the name of the bill had the
Speaker 1: word dismemberment in it, which accurately describes what an abortion is,
Speaker 1: and they didn't even say the name of the bill
Speaker 1: they were speaking up against. So it shows that, you know,
Speaker 1: if we insist that that the other side describe what
Speaker 1: they defend, we are on the right track to exposing
Speaker 1: their extremism.
Speaker 2: And just so I know, actually I'll ask you to
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Speaker 2: I'm missing something church doctrine on abortion is this is
Speaker 2: a very bad thing that should be stopped. So why
Speaker 2: isn't the Catholic Church more vocal about stopping it.
Speaker 1: It's that the doctrine itself is very very clear. The
Speaker 1: unborn are to be treated as persons. It's a doctor
Speaker 1: and actually that's based in science and just the clear
Speaker 1: evidence that this is a baby. By the way, same
Speaker 1: basis that we're against transgender and I think today we
Speaker 1: can't say a man is a man or a woman
Speaker 1: as a woman because for fifty years we've been saying
Speaker 1: a baby is not a baby. Church doctrine is based
Speaker 1: on just recognize the truth of God that's right in
Speaker 1: front of you. Why are we not as vocal about
Speaker 1: this as we should? Again, it's because of the politics too.
Speaker 1: Many of these church leaders are a buddy buddy with
Speaker 1: the Democrat, a party which has become an appendage of
Speaker 1: the abortion industry unfortunately, and that's why they don't want
Speaker 1: to embarrass their friends. They don't want to get their
Speaker 1: friends to turn against them, and we have got to
Speaker 1: That's one of the things I've been doing and my
Speaker 1: ministry is doing, is to expose that that connection, that
Speaker 1: kind of goes back to what we were saying before
Speaker 1: and and and because you've got a lot of clergy
Speaker 1: out there, they're ready and willing to say more, but
Speaker 1: they're being intimidated into silence. And that again is going
Speaker 1: to be a key theme of our march, our prayer
Speaker 1: service Friday, and our march to say, everybody have courage,
Speaker 1: open your mouths, speak from the pulpit and everywhere else.
Speaker 2: Frank Pavone, Frank, where can people go to a help
Speaker 2: priest for life and also to get involved that they
Speaker 2: can in the March for Life.
Speaker 1: Yes. The march activities is at prolifemarch dot org, prolifemarch
Speaker 1: dot org. I'm on social media at fr Frank Pavone
Speaker 1: on all the major platforms. Fr Frank Pavone. Hope everyone
Speaker 1: connects with us.
Speaker 2: Frank, appreciate you being in the fight, sir, Thanks for
Speaker 2: being here. We'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 1: Go always great to see you. God bless