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Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, Welcome to the Buck Brief. Frank Provone is

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Speaker 2: with us now. He is the national director of Priests

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Speaker 2: for Life. We got the March for Life coming up

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Speaker 2: on Friday of this week and much to discuss. Frank,

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Speaker 2: good to see you.

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Speaker 1: Hey, Buck, good to be with you.

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Speaker 2: Let's start with actually, before anything else, March for Life.

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Speaker 2: I know you're very involved. We want people to know

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Speaker 2: about it and want people to get involved too if

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Speaker 2: they can. Well, can you tell us about this year's

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Speaker 2: march and what it means.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be very significant. You know. These are the

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Speaker 1: two largest annual events in the pro life movement in America.

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Speaker 1: Happened in the next few days. The March for Life

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Speaker 1: on Friday, and then the Walk for Life West Coast,

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Speaker 1: which is the second largest event on Saturday in San Francisco.

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Speaker 1: I'll be at both and one of the key themes

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Speaker 1: that we're going to emphasize because we run the prayer

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Speaker 1: service on the morning of the March for Life, is

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Speaker 1: the cancel culture. As our listeners know, you know, we've

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Speaker 1: got a weaponized government in America. Now we also have

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Speaker 1: a weaponized government in the church, and a lot of

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Speaker 1: people are aware. There was a bishop that was recently

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Speaker 1: removed from his position because it was a little too outspoken.

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Speaker 1: We're actually gonna honor him at the prayer service, Bishop

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Speaker 1: Joseph Strickland, and we're gonna have Mark Halk the one

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Speaker 1: of the people whose homes was raided by the FBI.

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Speaker 1: He's full pro life activist, and yet the Biden administration

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Speaker 1: came after him with federal charges. We're gonna pray that

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Speaker 1: morning of the march for Live with these people and

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Speaker 1: with pro lifers from across the country. And it's important

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Speaker 1: this year that the pro life movement focus on this

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Speaker 1: problem that we've got, because it ends up targeting all

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Speaker 1: of them, all of those faithful people that are going

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Speaker 1: to be there, that have marched every year and are

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Speaker 1: trying to change things back home, you know, to protect

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Speaker 1: the unborn. They're all the target of this weaponized government.

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Speaker 1: So that's gonna be a key key theme of our

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Speaker 1: activities the next few days.

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Speaker 2: So tell me about this bishop you mentioned, a bishop

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Speaker 2: who you said, well, tell me the backstory. I don't

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Speaker 2: even I don't know what's going on with this one.

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Speaker 2: I think people need so.

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Speaker 1: Joseph Strickland was bishop of the Diocese of Tyler, Texas,

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Speaker 1: relatively small diocese, but he got a national following because

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Speaker 1: he was actually for example, he spoke out against Biden

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Speaker 1: and his pro abortion policies. He spoke out to the

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Speaker 1: other bishops says, hey, we got to be teaching the

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Speaker 1: faith in the arena of politics. We got to be

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Speaker 1: lifting up the unborn, no matter who wants to kill them.

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Speaker 1: And and you know, he was putting the other bishops

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Speaker 1: he wasn't saying anything that he shouldn't have been saying,

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Speaker 1: but some of the other bishops wanted to kind of

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Speaker 1: ultimately they convinced Pope Francis to remove him from his

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Speaker 1: position in the diocese. This just happened a few months ago.

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Speaker 1: And when they did that to him, similar to what

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Speaker 1: they did to me a year ago. Will you and

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Speaker 1: I have discussed it in past programs where they said

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Speaker 1: you can't function as a priest anymore really for the

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Speaker 1: same reasons. It's the it's the cancel culture in the church,

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Speaker 1: when people are saying things that they consider too uh,

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Speaker 1: And so now this bishop he's speaking out anyway, and

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Speaker 1: I mean he's still a bishop, he's still in good standing,

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Speaker 1: so to speak. Uh, And he's going around speaking at

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Speaker 1: different events like the one we're going to have on Friday.

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Speaker 2: I just I have a hard time with this. And

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Speaker 2: I don't. I don't sit here and pretend like I'm

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Speaker 2: I pretend that I'm the best practicing Catholic. Just keep

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Speaker 2: that betraying me. I'm trying. I'm trying.

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Speaker 2: I got married in a church. You know, we we've

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Speaker 1: I was happy to meet her by the way we

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Speaker 1: were together at mar a Lago. Thank you for introducing me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, of course, no, she's she's wonderful, she's a

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Speaker 2: kind of a communist who does the bidding of the left,

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Speaker 2: including on issues of life and LGBTQ rights. I'm sorry,

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Speaker 2: that's just that's just how I feel.

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Speaker 1: Well. I'm going to tell you something here, and I

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Speaker 1: think probably many of our listeners will agree with this.

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Speaker 1: I'm convinced there is a collaboration going on right now

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Speaker 1: operatives in the Biden administration. Really, I think, yes, I have.

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Speaker 1: I've come across a number of things in some of

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Speaker 1: weaponizing government in America against people like President Trump and

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Speaker 1: and and and those who support him. I mean, this

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Speaker 1: you see all this stuff happening, And it's like your

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Speaker 1: make sense out of this. I mean, I know basically

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean in churches in New York City

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Speaker 2: that I've been to Catholic churches in New York City,

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Speaker 2: I can think of one in particular. You know, they'll

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Speaker 2: you know, fish on them and things like this, right,

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Speaker 2: and they'll have banners up in the church, you know,

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Speaker 2: really big displays to that effect. And also they'll have

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Speaker 2: That actually happened at my mom's church by the way.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, and and look like whether what you know,

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Speaker 2: I just think it's interesting that they will promote those things,

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Speaker 2: which is I understand it are contrary to church. You know,

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Speaker 2: well the BLM thing is a little more complicated, but

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Speaker 2: you know, the LGBTQ thing, like the transgender issues things

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Speaker 2: like that that I don't think it is sported about

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Speaker 2: the church. But they will not touch abortion from the pulpit.

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Speaker 2: This is a I do. I never hear them saying,

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Speaker 1: They won't do it, and that goes directly to the

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Speaker 1: say so. And because that's what's lacking. It's the say so,

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Speaker 1: it's the priority. It's give a voice if you believe this,

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Speaker 1: and many of them don't want to do that because,

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Speaker 1: I mean, some of it is that they're just cowards

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Speaker 1: some of it is they're being told not to say it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I have memos that some of these bishops

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Speaker 1: or divide them. And it's like I thought our marching

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Speaker 1: orders were to preach the word of the Lord, you know,

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Speaker 1: or the Gospel of Jesus Christ, you know, not oh,

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Speaker 1: don't get anybody angry. I mean, if Jesus had followed that,

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Speaker 2: It's remarkable to me because you know, I'll hear stories

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Speaker 2: about I just heard one recently where, you know, a

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Speaker 2: of a friend who was divorced was denied communion by

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Speaker 2: her parish priest. Now, I understand what the rules are

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Speaker 2: supposed to be, but I also feel like every time

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Speaker 2: Biden be denied communion for being leaders who are avowedly,

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Speaker 2: go right, you know, Well, one is a much bigger

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Speaker 2: taking public funds to fund millions of abortions across the country,

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Speaker 2: it's much bigger deal to me. I'm not saying divorce

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Speaker 2: isn't serious and harm, but much bigger deal than someone

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Speaker 2: getting divorced, I would think. But the church comes down

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Speaker 1: It makes no sense. And you know, some people that

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Speaker 1: all imperfect. And you see the way that Biden, Pelosi

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Speaker 1: and the Democrats deal with abortion. This is not weakness.

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Speaker 1: This is not like we're trying to do the right

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're advocating for evil. They're advocating for that.

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Speaker 1: That's right, that's the log in the short of it.

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Speaker 2: It's remarkably you know, what would happen when when you

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Speaker 2: were like, okay, yeah, I'm also a human being. I'm imperfect.

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Speaker 2: You know. Well, that's right. They still want it to

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Speaker 1: Somehow that argument didn't work with them. It's the hypocrisies.

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Speaker 1: I'm believing, you know what the good thing is if

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Speaker 1: buck people are waken up to this. The people tell

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Speaker 1: in the government. And it's like I'm going to keep

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Speaker 1: speaking the right thing. I'm gonna keep doing the right thing,

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Speaker 1: and I think we're at a moment now and we

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Speaker 1: the people themselves wake up, they get wise to the

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Speaker 1: evil that's going on, and they say, wait a minute,

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Speaker 1: this country is mine, this church is mine. I know

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Speaker 1: the faith, I know the constitution. I'm going to live accordingly,

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Speaker 1: and I'm going to defend those things no matter what

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Speaker 2: Let's talk and I'm glad how I can talk you

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Speaker 2: No one knows exactly there's no hook or crook that's

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Speaker 2: One challenge we have here for anyone who's advocating for

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Speaker 2: but they're trying to strategize. They say, we keep losing

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Speaker 2: And when what do you say.

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Speaker 1: To that we're not losing. These ballot initiatives are our lies.

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Speaker 1: The other side is just better at lying than we are.

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Speaker 1: And when you look at it, let me give you

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Speaker 1: in Florida, the last two legislative sessions, we've passed two

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Speaker 1: one stronger than the other, life measures to increase protection

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Speaker 1: But but twice as many states now protect babies from conception.

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Speaker 1: So my argument is, and then you look at the

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Speaker 1: They're upholding the laws. We've got victories in Indiana, in Georgia,

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Speaker 1: Why Because you have to wrestle with the issue. There's

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Speaker 1: And and and the more the American people wrestle with abortion,

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Speaker 1: the less they want it. Now. Granted most people don't

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Speaker 1: it's what I call SoundBite voting. There's no debate, there's

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Speaker 1: And you know, polling on this subsequent to the votes

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that one of the the big tell

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Speaker 2: particularly obvious. Is there's all this language used to speak

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Speaker 2: Why come up with all these euphemisms? A woman's right

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Speaker 1: You know what's very instructive about this when in Kansas,

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Speaker 2: And just so I know, actually I'll ask you to

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Speaker 2: I want I want to ask you about church doctor

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Speaker 2: for by Palm Beach Research Group. All right, Frank, and

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Speaker 2: I'm missing something church doctrine on abortion is this is

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Speaker 1: It's that the doctrine itself is very very clear. The

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Speaker 1: Many of these church leaders are a buddy buddy with

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Speaker 1: That's one of the things I've been doing and my

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Speaker 1: open your mouths, speak from the pulpit and everywhere else.

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Speaker 2: Frank Pavone, Frank, where can people go to a help

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Speaker 2: priest for life and also to get involved that they

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Speaker 1: Yes. The march activities is at prolifemarch dot org, prolifemarch

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Speaker 1: dot org. I'm on social media at fr Frank Pavone

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Speaker 1: on all the major platforms. Fr Frank Pavone. Hope everyone

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Speaker 2: Frank, appreciate you being in the fight, sir, Thanks for

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Speaker 2: being here. We'll talk to you soon.

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Speaker 1: Go always great to see you. God bless