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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to this episode of Trends

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Speaker 1: for May three. Yeah, I'm Jack. That's why. We're also

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Speaker 1: joined by super producers Becca Ramos and Trician mccargee. Um. Yeah, yeah, hello, Hello,

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Speaker 1: thank you guys for for being on Mike. Um. We're

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Speaker 1: obviously talking about the leaked Supreme Court opinion that suggests

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Speaker 1: that the Supreme Court is about to overturn bro And yeah,

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Speaker 1: just try and do that makes sense of better outrage? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I got a lot of my outrage out on tomorrow's episode.

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Speaker 1: But it's my first thoughts with all of this is

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm so angry that I'm so angry that I

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Speaker 1: ever believe that there's put the potential for progress. Um,

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Speaker 1: and I'm really frustrated by how easily things are taken

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Speaker 1: away from people, especially when it relates to things so

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Speaker 1: important as like body autonomy. And yeah, it's I'm like

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Speaker 1: trying to figure out what I do with my energy.

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm not like I see a lot of takes

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Speaker 1: of like, you know, like this is what happens when

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Speaker 1: you've voted for Hillary, or how come RBG didn't like Yeah,

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Speaker 1: While all those things may help to answer some of

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Speaker 1: the why, Like I don't know if that's the best

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Speaker 1: place for my energy. Like I feel like now I'm

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Speaker 1: at a point where I'm sufficiently incapable of believing that

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Speaker 1: the Democrats can do anything that equates to protecting people,

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Speaker 1: helping people, like you know, at a level that the

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Speaker 1: people who are would most benefit from it um benefit

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Speaker 1: like to its most optimal optimal level. And now I'm

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Speaker 1: just thinking of how I can help my community, how

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Speaker 1: I tap into those resources. That's just kind of my

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Speaker 1: first Yeah, today felt like if we take a step back,

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Speaker 1: can remember summer when it was like the dystopic you know,

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Speaker 1: time of like being at your corporate desks supposed to

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Speaker 1: like to answer your emails and be on your calls.

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Speaker 1: And at that time, I worked in advertising, so it

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Speaker 1: was like, I don't know, pitch campaign work about diversity

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Speaker 1: and inclusion while like you're watching people die in front

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Speaker 1: of you every day that looked like you. That's kind

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Speaker 1: of how I fell waking up today as like a woman,

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Speaker 1: as a woman of color, as someone from Texas, and

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Speaker 1: as someone who's like historically had you know, since I

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Speaker 1: hit puberty discrimination with women's health care, you know, that's

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Speaker 1: before this became a big topic that like Rovie Wade,

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Speaker 1: would you know be overturned or whatever. Like since I

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Speaker 1: first kind of coology appointment. I remember the doctor was

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Speaker 1: my mom's doctor when she got to Texas, and my

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Speaker 1: you know, my mom didn't think anything of like whatever

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Speaker 1: coming in to get birth control for the first time,

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Speaker 1: and the doctor um could not comprehend that I was

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Speaker 1: getting birth control to actually prevent pregnancy, like it was

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Speaker 1: because I was too young and I wasn't married. She

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Speaker 1: And I was like no, And she was like do

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Speaker 1: And then it wasn't until like a few months later

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Speaker 1: I go to a different doctor like, oh, well, she

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Speaker 1: it's like, because that doctor discriminate against me, like I

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Speaker 1: I felt robbed in my own autonomy, and that just

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Speaker 1: I think as women, we are hurting because it doesn't

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Speaker 1: there's nothing we can do to like be heard, that

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Speaker 1: being very much in the polling that we do not

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Speaker 1: want this overturned as like the popular vote, that it

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Speaker 1: who do not believe in our rights to autonomy and

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Speaker 1: It's like it's it's a very you know. I I

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Speaker 1: even like people who have pregnancies that have issues, right

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Speaker 1: is that unborn feat is deserves more rights than you,

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Speaker 1: the living person creating the life. Yeah. I think, like

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Speaker 1: Becau said, I just feel just so much grief right now, um,

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Speaker 1: and help him. The past has been created right um,

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Speaker 1: the Democratic Party, that's like and this is why you

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Speaker 1: Raytheon and Lockheed Martin. Because then you say, Jack Joe

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Speaker 1: only time they can get it together. Anything else fucking debt,

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Speaker 1: here's nearly unanimous. I think the scariest part is obviously

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Speaker 1: I still have fears, you know, like I can't imagine

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Speaker 1: that honestly, there has not been enough research done and

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Speaker 1: really a lot of unethical research done on how they

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Speaker 1: affect our bodies and if we will become sterile and

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Speaker 1: x y Z when like it has been proven that

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Speaker 1: the sectomies are safe and reversible and cheap. You know

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Speaker 1: how expensive a hystorrectomy is. They have to take out

436
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Speaker 1: your whole part, like a second is an outpatient procedure.

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Speaker 1: So I do want to see more men being active

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Speaker 1: vocally and also in their actions of like no more

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Speaker 1: coercion of sex without condents, like is you know, a

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Speaker 1: very pervasive thing. And I think the sexual health of

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Speaker 1: our nation that men don't want to wear those types

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Speaker 1: of contraceptives because they don't feel good. And it's expected

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Speaker 1: that women take on the sole burden of not getting pregnant,

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Speaker 1: of having the contraceptive of whatever, choosing to be celebrate

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Speaker 1: or not because they're so afraid of having sex because

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Speaker 1: of getting pregnant. It's so yeah, I'm just I'm at

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Speaker 1: I'm at a loss for words. I'm just you know,

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Speaker 1: and and because I really do, I see how it

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Speaker 1: intersects with my own life. But also Jenner philosophically, right, like,

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Speaker 1: I think people who listen to this show like we're

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Speaker 1: we try to, you know, advocate for the freedom, the

452
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Speaker 1: liberation of people, right that no, no matter who you are,

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Speaker 1: as long as you're not hurting people, that however you

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Speaker 1: choose to live or who you are, that that's not

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Speaker 1: vilified or illegal. And to go and have these these

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Speaker 1: moments like this, you really have to refocus and realize

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Speaker 1: how much we all like we have to pull for

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Speaker 1: each other because this is they count on men sitting

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Speaker 1: this ship out, because it's that's how most ship works.

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Speaker 1: Why a lot of white people sat out. They're like,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, man, they're not sucking people like me up.

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Speaker 1: That sounds like their problem. I know it's bad, but

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Speaker 1: they're not sucking me, so it's less of an issue

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Speaker 1: for me. And and that's why we don't. That's why

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Speaker 1: it's hard, so hard for us to really get organized

466
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Speaker 1: to to help each other and advocate for each other,

467
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Speaker 1: because so easy to go and silo yourself off and

468
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Speaker 1: bury your head in the sand and not want to

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Speaker 1: acknowledge how terrifying this ship is. But it eventually comes

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Speaker 1: to your doorstep. If it's not If it's not this,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be same sex marriage. And if it's not that,

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Speaker 1: who know is you're gonna have enough wacky people in

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Speaker 1: the South to be like, no, man, mixed race people

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Speaker 1: are illegal. People like talk about loving and act like

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Speaker 1: they didn't know if if it's a good or bad

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Speaker 1: idea to say, I don't let them decide it's good.

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Speaker 1: If you let if as it unravels, it will get

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Speaker 1: to you no matter what, and you gotta be we

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Speaker 1: gotta have the strength to notice these moments where we

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Speaker 1: have to really stand shoulder to shoulder, even if you don't,

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Speaker 1: even if you can't be like, well, I'm not literally

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Speaker 1: the person affected by it. That's not how we get

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Speaker 1: through any of this ship because guess what for me

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Speaker 1: to feel like Asian, we're gonna tamp down on Asian

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Speaker 1: hate or black discrimination. I need white people, I need

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Speaker 1: I need other people, I need Jewish people. That's how

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Speaker 1: we that's how we create the numbers to do ship.

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Speaker 1: When we start going well, okay, well I don't know

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Speaker 1: if that's mine, it is. It is. If you give

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Speaker 1: a fuck, if you have a heart, then you have

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Speaker 1: to fucking you have to treat all of these attacks

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Speaker 1: on people, even if there no matter how many, how marginalized,

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Speaker 1: as a threat to you, because that's that's just that.

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Speaker 1: It's going to hit the people on the fringes first,

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Speaker 1: then it gets to the middle. But to act ignorant

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Speaker 1: and say, well, that's not a problem, it's going to

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Speaker 1: be to our own detriment. There's a statistic that one

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Speaker 1: in four women in the US will get an abortion

499
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Speaker 1: by age like one in four. So chances are you

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Speaker 1: know somebody you know has had to get an abortion

501
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Speaker 1: there has thought about it UM, And chances are maybe

502
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Speaker 1: they haven't said anything, or maybe you don't know because

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Speaker 1: there's so much stigma around it. But I think, yeah,

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Speaker 1: just like anyone could get into the situation, and it

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Speaker 1: could be someone you love in fact likely it is.

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Speaker 1: So it's like, yeah, we need compassion there and we

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Speaker 1: need to feel invested. Yeah, I think there's there's a

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Speaker 1: an urgency problem with a certain part of the population

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Speaker 1: that UM is more prone to the just vote and

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Speaker 1: blue no matter who type uh talking points, and like

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Speaker 1: that's I would I would just think before that is

512
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Speaker 1: your answer to this, and you give that out and

513
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Speaker 1: maybe maybe talk to some people who might be affected

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Speaker 1: by this or could potentially be affected by this, before

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Speaker 1: you start giving out solutions that have been there for uh,

516
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 1: you know, fifty years, and I have not helped us

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Speaker 1: avoid this exact situation. It's violent to even say some

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Speaker 1: ship like that to this point. No, no, no, we're

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Speaker 1: not doing that. We're not doing that. But there the

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Speaker 1: threats are too real to so many people, and I

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Speaker 1: don't know if maybe I don't know if like because

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Speaker 1: you know, so many different communities in this country feel

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Speaker 1: the stakes rent like the threats that that they face,

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Speaker 1: whether you're poor or you're an l G B, t

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Speaker 1: q I, a community or a person of color, woman, whatever.

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Speaker 1: But I don't know if this if there, if some

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Speaker 1: how this can help people move a little bit forward

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Speaker 1: to understanding like what the actual stakes are for everybody

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Speaker 1: and not just being like, well, if and if the

530
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Speaker 1: Republicans gonna there, it's all they're already overturning it. So

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Speaker 1: you don't even have the threat of overturning row anymore

532
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Speaker 1: to motivate somebody. So yeah, any anything that isn't like

533
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Speaker 1: when we're not going to hear of them like we

534
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 1: completely fucked up and we need to do better. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: A lot that they do love to tell about themselves

536
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Speaker 1: is that they are the moral majority. They did that

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Speaker 1: a lot in the seventies, which keeps coming up because

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Speaker 1: I guess we're like moving backward through time and so

539
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Speaker 1: now we're like, I don't I don't even know the seventies.

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Speaker 1: I guess we're ahead of for the fifties. But that's

541
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Speaker 1: not true. They're not the majority. No, there are more

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Speaker 1: of us than there are of them. There was somebody

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Speaker 1: on MSNBC who is pro life that said that eight

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Speaker 1: out of ten gen Zers believe row should be overturned. Um,

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Speaker 1: which I'm sure to fun First, just we found eight

546
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Speaker 1: and we put them in a group of two other

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Speaker 1: other kids who are actually gen Z people and are

548
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 1: represent them. But yeah, great job, MSNBC. Please platform the

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Speaker 1: pro life people at a time when this is in

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Speaker 1: the news. Really good past the mic that way, they

551
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Speaker 1: need to hear it because they're right. Oh wait, no,

552
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:34,239
Speaker 1: they're living out their political fantasy. Yeah. Her life has

553
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Speaker 1: never been pro life. It has been pro control, pro

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Speaker 1: creating a working class, pro you know, everything bad. Because

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00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 1: if you were truly pro life, the adoption system wouldn't

556
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 1: be the way it was, healthcare would look a lot different,

557
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 1: and people would not be dying from failed pregnancy. Like

558
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Speaker 1: it's just it's it's not it's not to they're born

559
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Speaker 1: to care. Like, oh, what about mortality and black mothers? No, okay,

560
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: because that's that's not exponentially higher. But and again, and

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Speaker 1: I mean, and I feel like we save versions of

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00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 1: this all the time, and I think that's why I

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Speaker 1: like this. I don't know, I don't know how quickly

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Speaker 1: we can get people a majority of people talking about

565
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 1: like seriously that these people are a bunch of funk ups.

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Speaker 1: It's like a lot of people have been saying, and

567
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Speaker 1: I don't know how many more times you need to

568
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 1: watch this happen before we're like, yo, I think this

569
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 1: is bad, but it's bad. It's fucking it's this bad,

570
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Speaker 1: it really is. And I think people need to I

571
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 1: don't know, man, we just gotta we just we we

572
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 1: need to really take this breath, but we really need

573
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: to be there for each other going forward, because I

574
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 1: I really see that as that's that's the thing that's

575
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 1: giving me any kind of comfort is to look at

576
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 1: the people I'm looking at right now on this call

577
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 1: and saying, I know these people get it. I know

578
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 1: other people that get it. We need to be more

579
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 1: vocal so we can see that there we're all out here,

580
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 1: because it's so easy to see some ship like this

581
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 1: and think, oh man, we're out we're outnumbered. But only

582
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 1: of the country articulated that they wanted to overturn weight

583
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 1: are in pulling like for many polls, not just a

584
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 1: pole like pol consistently that that is the truth of

585
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: who the people in this country actually are all right. Well, Tricia, Becca,

586
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Speaker 1: thank you guys so much for coming on. UM. I

587
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 1: really appreciate it. UM. And we're back tomorrow with a

588
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Speaker 1: whole episode of the show. Until then, be kind to

589
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 1: each other, help each other, donate to the Mutual Aid Network,

590
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 1: don't do nothing about white supremacy, and we will talk

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Speaker 1: to y'all tomorrow