1 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:11,879 Speaker 1: What's that at the bend. It's spooky. Hey, Joky, I'm 2 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: pretty sure it's dead. It's coming this way. 3 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 2: Wait a minute, I said, Hi, Ross Dress. 4 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:31,159 Speaker 1: Hey boo, it's me Ros Dress. Well us, guys, I 5 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:37,319 Speaker 1: hope everyone is doing well. Still recording from home, and 6 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 1: today we have a total dream guest on the show, 7 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:45,240 Speaker 1: Karen Kilgaro, who many people know from My Favorite Murder 8 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: or the other podcast Do You Need a Ride? With 9 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 1: former podcast guests Chris Fairbanks. I think Karen is just 10 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 1: the coolest person, and she's also an incredible comedian and 11 00:00:56,200 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 1: writer and tweeter, and she's just she's so cool. And 12 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:03,279 Speaker 1: I'm sure you guys all listen to Do You Need 13 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 1: a Ride because it's just the coolest podcast. And if 14 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 1: you're new to the show, or if you're just you know, 15 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 1: looking for something to do in your current you know, quarantine, 16 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 1: you could go listen to. We have so many episodes. 17 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:22,399 Speaker 1: We have all of our episodes still up right now, 18 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:24,759 Speaker 1: so you can listen to some of our great interviews 19 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 1: with people like Cassandra Peterson aka Elvira, Mistress of the Dark. 20 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 1: We've got our Bridget Marquard episode is so fun. We've 21 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 1: got Oh my gosh, Billy Lee from vander Pump Rules 22 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:42,320 Speaker 1: and the sex Ghost that Shed counter so many episodes, 23 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:46,399 Speaker 1: so go check them out. Guys. You know I love 24 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: to read ghost stories from you all. So I checked 25 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 1: my email ghosted by Ross at gmail dot com, and 26 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 1: I just saw this one from Sarah. She says, my 27 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 1: sister and I we're talking about how much we love 28 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 1: your show, and we started trading ghost stories and found 29 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 1: a crazy coincidence we never knew about. We both shared 30 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 1: the same spooky experience at different times, but around the 31 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:15,080 Speaker 1: same age and the old house we grew up in. 32 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: Without you, we have never realized. We would have never 33 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: had this realization, so we wanted to send it to you. 34 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 1: Thank you. See that's what I do for families. Just kidding. 35 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: We grew up in a house that wasn't particularly haunted, 36 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 1: although it had a strange vibe at times, the basement 37 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:37,960 Speaker 1: in particular, but we'll get to that. Rachel and I discovered, however, 38 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 1: that we both experienced the same strange sensation around the 39 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 1: age of twelve or three years apart. For me, it 40 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:48,640 Speaker 1: happened when I had just woken up and was laying 41 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 1: in my bunk bed with my back turned to the wall. 42 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 1: I distinctly felt someone or something place a hand on 43 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 1: my back. Now, no one could have done it, because 44 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 1: again I was in a bunk bed with my back 45 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 1: facing the wall. It was startling at first, but then 46 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 1: strangely comforting. I remember feeling a sense of calm and peace, 47 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 1: almost like someone was letting me know things were going 48 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 1: to be okay. It was brief, but strange. Now. For Rachel, 49 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:23,920 Speaker 1: this hand sensation happened very similarly. She was around twelve 50 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 1: years old and trying to fall asleep in another bedroom 51 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 1: when she felt the hand on her back. She looked 52 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 1: around and saw nothing there. At first, she was frightened, 53 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 1: but then felt like the hand was there to comfort 54 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 1: and protect her. The sensation went away after a few 55 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: moments and she was able to fall asleep. Rachel also 56 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 1: had another ghostly experience when she was around seven years old. 57 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 1: She was looking for something in our basement, which definitely 58 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 1: gave off creepy vibes when she turned the corner and 59 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 1: saw two men crouched and hiding next to the file 60 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: cabinet crouched. Speaking of file cabinet, I love to read 61 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 1: those articles on random websites buzzfeeder. I'm not really sure 62 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:16,600 Speaker 1: which different like blog type websites where it's like, here's 63 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 1: some things that children these days will never know about 64 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 1: filing cabinets, we can we can file that into that category. 65 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 1: I guess you don't really need them anymore. Okay, so 66 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:29,479 Speaker 1: back to the store. The men, the men that were 67 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 1: crouched were wearing clothes like they were from the nineteen twenties. 68 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 1: As soon as she saw them, she ran away and 69 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 1: sprinted downstairs. She wanted to tell her mom, but figured 70 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 1: that she wouldn't believe her. Eventually, she convinced herself that 71 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 1: they weren't real, but still remembers that odd experience to 72 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:49,040 Speaker 1: this day. Didn't this start by saying your house wasn't 73 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:54,039 Speaker 1: particularly haunted? I would say, crouching nineteen twenties ghosts behind 74 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 1: a filing cabinet and phantom hands in them all the 75 00:04:57,160 --> 00:04:59,720 Speaker 1: night is? Are you guys the kind of people that 76 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 1: like blood dripping from the walls And you're like, wait 77 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:06,840 Speaker 1: a minute, I didn't put blood on this wall. Your 78 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 1: house was haunted, girl, But thank you Sarah for sending 79 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:15,599 Speaker 1: me that. That was really creepy. But my guest today, 80 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:20,719 Speaker 1: Karen also had an experience with a visitor from the 81 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 1: other side while she was sleeping. So let's go into it. 82 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 1: I'm so excited here. She is my favorite Karen kilgarriff 83 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:36,360 Speaker 1: On with the show. Oh my god, Karen, Hi, Hi, 84 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:39,359 Speaker 1: how have you been good? 85 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:42,799 Speaker 3: You know, as good as who everyone else? 86 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 1: I guess, I know, what are you doing like in 87 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:50,839 Speaker 1: this quarantine time? Like, how are you like staying saying. 88 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 3: I'm afraid to say because I'm I like, I really 89 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:01,719 Speaker 3: am going into a deep kind of trying to be 90 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 3: zen and work my shit out because I realize this 91 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 3: is a chance I'll never have again where everything is 92 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:11,040 Speaker 3: stopped and it's not me quitting, it's not me saying 93 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 3: I'm not going to do these things anymore. It's just 94 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 3: like it's like an act of God, you know what 95 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:19,839 Speaker 3: I mean, where there's nothing anyone like, it's that helplessness. 96 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 3: So instead of I guess fighting it or freaking out, 97 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 3: And this is absolutely an answer of complete privilege because 98 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 3: I don't have to freak out, whereas four years ago, 99 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 3: I don't know what I would be doing. I just 100 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 3: have this gratitude every day of you know, I'm in 101 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:46,159 Speaker 3: a business that can continue, which I just it's so lucky. 102 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 3: It's like, it's just so lucky. 103 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 1: I'm so grateful that we can still podcast for real. 104 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 3: I mean it's very It's like that part's therapeutic too, 105 00:06:56,600 --> 00:07:00,279 Speaker 3: because then at least their structure and you know, is 106 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 3: like something to do and you have a schedule and stuff, 107 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:04,920 Speaker 3: which I really I don't know. I just have like 108 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 3: kind of that gratitude. I'm trying to make a choice 109 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 3: of gratitude focus because it's so easy with this. It 110 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 3: just feels so humongous that I feel like I could 111 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 3: freak myself out and really kind of leave the planet 112 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 3: in a way if I didn't have something to focus on. 113 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 3: So I feel lucky that I do. 114 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 1: I guess, yes, that is great. I feel the same 115 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 1: way gratitude. We're so lucky that we get to sit 116 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 1: here and talk about ghosts my face, which well, okay. 117 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 1: I feel like when you come to Los Angeles and 118 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 1: you enter showbiz, one of the things that people tell 119 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 1: you is Canko gav has the best ghost story. I 120 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 1: feel like, as long as I've had this podcast, everyone 121 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 1: has always been like, you have to get Karen. She 122 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 1: has the ghost story. I don't know how everyone knows this, 123 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 1: but everyone knows that. I mean, I've. 124 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 3: Definitely told it as many times as people would allow. 125 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm one of those kind of people. I 126 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 3: think I actually have about eight good stories, but I'm 127 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 3: on podcasts NonStop, so I just repeat them constantly. So 128 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 3: it's it's been a real I've just really been on 129 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 3: a mission to get this story out any way, shape 130 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 3: or form. 131 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 1: Have you told that on Do You Need a Ride? 132 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 1: I feel like I can't even recall hearing it there. 133 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 3: I don't Maybe that's the one. I'm saving it for 134 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 3: our five hundredth episode or something. 135 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 1: Well, because I from tuning in, I heard Chris tell 136 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:34,960 Speaker 1: that he was living in a haunted house, and then 137 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 1: I had him come on the show and he told 138 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 1: the full length story, which we still I still am 139 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 1: not sure, but I think the ghost might still be 140 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 1: there in the house. I think, yeah, I don't actually 141 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 1: just heard him. I was listening to one of your 142 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:50,440 Speaker 1: maybe your most recent, and I don't know if he 143 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 1: was joking, but he was like, I think the ghost 144 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:52,559 Speaker 1: is bad. 145 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 3: Oh, that's right in his current apartment. That's right. For 146 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:59,559 Speaker 3: some reason, I was picturing it was like childhood or something. 147 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:04,559 Speaker 3: It shows how much I'm listening on our own podcast. Yeah, 148 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 3: I know he does. But also it's a really old 149 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 3: apartment building from what he's told me, and it always 150 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 3: makes me think of that thing, like, I don't know, 151 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 3: if you got those pipes checked, you might get the 152 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 3: answer to this. 153 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:19,959 Speaker 1: Would you believe in all this? Like are you? Are 154 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 1: you skeptical in that way? 155 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:25,439 Speaker 3: I know, I believe you know what it is. It's 156 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:29,560 Speaker 3: not like I believe in the exact idea of like 157 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:34,320 Speaker 3: a specter floating down the hallway at you. I I 158 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 3: just know my own experience and then I believe. I 159 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 3: feel like I know when people are telling a story 160 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 3: and it's believable like experiences. I think it's very ego 161 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 3: it's very Yeah, I don't know if egotistical is the 162 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 3: right word, but it's or maybe it's just crazy to 163 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:54,080 Speaker 3: think that you know everything that's going on in this 164 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 3: natural world. So like, why would you not believe it 165 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 3: if someone said whatever their experience was, Because like this 166 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 3: experience that I had its first hands. So it's not like, 167 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 3: oh my dad saw this thing when he was whatever. 168 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 3: It's like it happened to me very specific experience, and 169 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 3: I so if if I know mine was real. Then 170 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 3: when other people tell us their stories, it's like, yeah, 171 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 3: that seems real too. 172 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 1: Like is that how you felt before this happened? 173 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 3: You know, I've always been a really open person. I 174 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:32,079 Speaker 3: really like cryptozoology and the unexplained. I like any of that, 175 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 3: like uh, kind of any weird like can you believe this? 176 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 3: Or have you ever heard of this type of weirdness? 177 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 3: You know what I mean? So like I want to go, yeah, 178 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:47,719 Speaker 3: they found skeletons of giants in Wisconsin or whatever. It's 179 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:49,680 Speaker 3: like even if they go like, oh, no, here's the 180 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 3: explanation for that, in that moment, I'm still like, there, 181 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 3: it's possible that, you know, like in the in the 182 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 3: Mesozoic era or whatever. I don't know what those as 183 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 3: actually are, but long ago there could have been giants 184 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 3: roaming this lamp. We don't know. 185 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 1: We don't know how I the giant era, you remember, Yeah, 186 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 1: back when everyone was giants everything. 187 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 3: Was huge and dinosaurs and no, I don't know. I mean, 188 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 3: I just feel like I'm not a scientist and I 189 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 3: didn't go to college. So if people present me with 190 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 3: a story, I'll entertain it because it seemed interesting and 191 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 3: everything seems a little bit possible to me, Okay. 192 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:30,559 Speaker 1: But it's like when are we going to have antser, 193 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 1: like with ghosts, It's that's the annoying part. It's like 194 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:37,079 Speaker 1: how are they ever going to like catch a ghost 195 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 1: or like how are we going to know this stuff? 196 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 1: Until then, it's just like evidence, Like it's just good 197 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:48,080 Speaker 1: stories that we you know, we take things from and 198 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 1: then we just kind of come to a conclusion. I 199 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 1: guess true. 200 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 3: Well, because it's that I think it's that kind of 201 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 3: TV mentality where it has to have an ending or 202 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 3: a proof or a Scooby Doo unmasked the mayor you 203 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 3: know what I mean. Whereas it's like I think in 204 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 3: real life oftentimes it's like, oh I just had this 205 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 3: weird experience and I can't explain it and I don't 206 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 3: have proof anyway, doesn't mean it didn't happen. But but 207 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 3: I think people are also very afraid of the unknown, 208 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 3: and so that's when that, in my opinion, some people 209 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 3: are skeptics merely because they just don't like that idea 210 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 3: at all and they need to shut it down of like, yeah, 211 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 3: there's no way something's happening that's beyond my understanding, or uh, 212 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 3: you know whatever. 213 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:38,679 Speaker 1: Well that's what I like, I struggle with, Like I 214 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 1: am terrified of ghosts, even though I'm obsessed with hearing 215 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:45,079 Speaker 1: about them. But I'm like, should I be or should 216 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:46,679 Speaker 1: I be? Like? How are you? How do you feel? 217 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 1: Are you? Are you still scared of ghosts? No? 218 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 3: I mean no, I guess it would just be I'm 219 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 3: not like walking like walking around scared of ghosts. But like, 220 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:04,680 Speaker 3: if I got you a weekend at this haunted hotel, 221 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 3: let's go stay in room six sixty six or whatever, 222 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 3: you know, Yeah, get your context clues and get out 223 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 3: of there. But I would do it, but I absolutely 224 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:23,960 Speaker 3: would be freaked out doing it. So I was in 225 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 3: a place where it's like, come to this mental hospital 226 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:29,720 Speaker 3: that was abandoned and they tortured people there because there's 227 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 3: these things happen there. Why wouldn't I see that as 228 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 3: totally possible Because it just feels like, yeah, if people 229 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 3: were tortured in a spot, that seems to be a pattern, right, 230 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 3: or something bad happened, so there's energy there or whatever. 231 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 3: People have tried to explain it as it all seems 232 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 3: a little bit plausible to me. 233 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:55,079 Speaker 1: Well, I think that there's just some buildings that just 234 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 1: attract bad energy. I don't even know why. Like there's 235 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:02,200 Speaker 1: just like, I mean, an example I always think about 236 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:06,319 Speaker 1: is the Cecil Hotel. Like that's one of those places 237 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 1: that's just like decade after decade there was bad vibes 238 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 1: going on, yes, and so like how do you explain that? 239 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 1: I mean, I guess there are ways you can explain 240 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 1: it geographically or whatever. But but yeah, I think that 241 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 1: that's the thing. 242 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 3: It's it's that combined with I think it's a human 243 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 3: a very human habit to especially like so for example, 244 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 3: Alisa Lamb, who is that girl who ended up dying 245 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 3: in the water cistern at the Cecil Hotel and the 246 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 3: video of her and the elevator and she's doing all 247 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 3: that weird stuff with her hands and it's so creepy 248 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 3: the video and it's edited, and like, you know, what's 249 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 3: really happening. There's also the piece of that that like 250 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 3: I think people equally don't want to look at, which 251 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 3: is mental illness and the way it affects us and 252 00:14:57,560 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 3: the way the behavior that comes from it that people 253 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 3: that's as scary as a ghost to a lot of people. Yeah, so, 254 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 3: and it's and some people think it's a taboo thing 255 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 3: to discuss, or that those people should be you know 256 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 3: what I mean, Like it's like those people should be 257 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 3: locked away or something where it's like you look at 258 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 3: that video and you can say she could absolutely be 259 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 3: possessed or seeing a ghost or someone there's a serial 260 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 3: killer that's luring her somewhere. But also she could be 261 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 3: having some kind of a break with reality, which is 262 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 3: just scary because that means it could happen to us. 263 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 3: You know, It's like the human brain is mysterious. We 264 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 3: don't know how this thing works at all, So the 265 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 3: fear is coming from tons of different directions. I don't 266 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 3: think it's strictly like the specter in the hallway. 267 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 1: Right. Oh God, that is scary. 268 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 4: Right, Karen, tell me your ghost story. 269 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 3: Okay, all right, So this happened to me. It was 270 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 3: supposed to be my sophomore year in college, but I 271 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 3: flunked out and I lived in Sacramento, California, which isn't 272 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 3: the greatest city to live in, especially in the summertime 273 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 3: where it's like consistently one hundred and eight degrees every day. Yeah, 274 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 3: and so let's see, I had gotten kicked out of college. 275 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 3: My parents cut me off because they were like, yeah, 276 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 3: it doesn't work this way. Now you're on your own. 277 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 3: And I had just rented a house with my three 278 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 3: other friends and it was this old house. I would 279 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 3: guess that it was built probably around the thirties and 280 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 3: it was in Sacramento. Oh wait, I actually looked up. 281 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 3: It was on fulsome and forty third Street. I believe, 282 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 3: thirty five forty third You know what I'm talking about. 283 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 1: No, but that's good information because I was actually just 284 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 1: corresponding with we have a listener that works in historical 285 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 1: preservation and she might be able to, like, if you 286 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 1: don't know what happened there or whatever, we could maybe 287 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 1: figure it out. 288 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:08,880 Speaker 3: Oh my god, that would be incredible because I've tried 289 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 3: to look it up. I tried to look up like 290 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:14,879 Speaker 3: crimes around that time with the address or like just 291 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:17,919 Speaker 3: crimes with the address, and it's I don't know how 292 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:21,159 Speaker 3: to do it, so I stopped almost immediately. But that 293 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 3: would be it. Well, okay, I'll tell you the story. 294 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 1: I on Google Maps. We could literally like, if you 295 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:28,400 Speaker 1: don't know the address, we could like go find it. 296 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 3: Probably you can, because so I think it's fulsome and 297 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:37,679 Speaker 3: thirty fourth I believe is right, and there's from Fulsome. 298 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 3: I don't know which direction north, south, east, or west, 299 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 3: but but you go off Fulsome and there was a 300 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:48,400 Speaker 3: commercial building when I lived there. It was a bakery. 301 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:50,920 Speaker 3: Then there was an alley, and then there was our 302 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 3: house in our house. So our house was pretty close 303 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 3: to Fulsome and it had a detached garage if that 304 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:03,920 Speaker 3: helps any Okay, but it basically the first house on 305 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 3: the block and there was a convenience store across the street. 306 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 1: All right, I think we could work with those clues. Yeah, 307 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 1: Samantha is the name of our historical preservationist, Samantha listener. 308 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:22,680 Speaker 3: If you find out a crime happened in this house, 309 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:26,159 Speaker 3: this satisfaction. Also, my friend Patti Riley was one of 310 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 3: my roommates who is still my friend to this day, 311 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 3: and she when I told this story the first time 312 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:35,200 Speaker 3: on a podcast called The Crab Feast with Ryan Sickler 313 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 3: and Jay Larson, they then had me text my friend 314 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 3: ask her follow up questions, which was hilarious, and I 315 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:46,199 Speaker 3: had She and I hadn't really talked about it in 316 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:48,239 Speaker 3: a long time, so I was getting a bunch of 317 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 3: like confirmation from her, which was great. 318 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 1: So anyway, interesting weight that just reminded me because I 319 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 1: was just watching this movie. Have you ever seen this 320 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:01,200 Speaker 1: movie that Jay Larson? This is then called The Invitation? 321 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 3: I don't think so. 322 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 1: It is so good, Karen. It's like Culty, like it's 323 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:14,440 Speaker 1: like a horror movie. But he's like, he's in the Invitation. 324 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:17,640 Speaker 3: Okay, I'm writing like. 325 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 1: The comedian Jay Larsen, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, he's in it. O. Sorry, sorry, 326 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 1: I just wrote that. 327 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 3: Listen, any any watching recommendation I'm taking all these days obviously. 328 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 1: As we all are, right, No, I highly recommend it. 329 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:39,360 Speaker 3: Okay, Okay. So so it's me and Patty Riley and 330 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:43,159 Speaker 3: and then our two other roommates and the it's a 331 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:46,879 Speaker 3: let's see, it was a one two well, it was 332 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:50,680 Speaker 3: technically a three bedroom house, originally a two bedroom house, 333 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 3: and they had converted the attic room to a bedroom. 334 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 3: But the only problem with that is the attic In 335 00:19:57,320 --> 00:20:00,199 Speaker 3: the summertime, there was no central air, of course, so 336 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:03,119 Speaker 3: there was a swamp cooler in the dining room. So 337 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 3: Patty's room was this converted attic room. But in the 338 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 3: summertime it was literally like two hundred and fifty degrees 339 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:15,679 Speaker 3: in her room. She had to sleep downstairs on the 340 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 3: couch or in the papasan chair, which was very popular 341 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:22,440 Speaker 3: at the time, because this was like nineteen ninety or 342 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:25,880 Speaker 3: nineteen eighty nine, So papasan chairs were all the rage. 343 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 3: I don't know if you remember them. 344 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:29,359 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know what that is. I'm going 345 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 1: to google it right now. With a papasan chair. 346 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 3: They're big circular chairs with a cushion and they they 347 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 3: sell them at like peer one import. 348 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:39,639 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, my parents had one of those. 349 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:43,119 Speaker 3: Yeah, so those were they had just they were like 350 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 3: all the rage. So that was one of so she 351 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 3: used to sleep in that like a cat. Anyway, so 352 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 3: my bedroom door opened onto the front room, so it 353 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 3: was like there was when you walked in the front 354 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 3: door of this house. There was a front room, My 355 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:01,960 Speaker 3: bedroom was off to the right, and then and then 356 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:04,440 Speaker 3: after the front room there was like a dining room, 357 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 3: and then there was the kitchen. So it all went 358 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:11,120 Speaker 3: like train car style. And then in the dining room, 359 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:14,119 Speaker 3: if you turned right, there was a very short hallway 360 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 3: down and the stairs up to the attic room were 361 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:20,119 Speaker 3: on the left. Then there was a bedroom door past 362 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 3: that down the hallway a little further, which was Christie's room. 363 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:25,679 Speaker 3: And then at the end of the hallway was a 364 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 3: door and you opened it up, and that was the 365 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 3: bathroom that opened. I swear all this will become relevant 366 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 3: and slightly interesting but later. 367 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:38,359 Speaker 1: But you're painting a great picture. I think I have 368 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 1: a good idea what you're talking about. 369 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:41,920 Speaker 3: Okay, good. So it's like you if you if someone 370 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,359 Speaker 3: said could I use your restroom? You could either walk 371 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 3: through my room and uh, because there was a door 372 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:51,639 Speaker 3: that opened onto this bathroom from my room, or you 373 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:54,120 Speaker 3: could go down this hallway which was like back behind, 374 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 3: walk down that hall and get to the same bathroom 375 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:00,919 Speaker 3: that way obviously, so two doors opening either side. 376 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:03,119 Speaker 1: And so you got to lock both doors. 377 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, you had to really cover your ass in this play. 378 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 3: So the hallway carpeting. The hallway was carpeted from what 379 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 3: I remember, I believe it was carpeted. Then the bathroom 380 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 3: was linoleum, and then my bedroom was also carpeted. Okay, 381 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 3: so this, Uh, basically, we would invite our friends over 382 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 3: to stay with us or to hang out or whatever. 383 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 3: And if people spent the night and slept out in 384 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 3: that front room, which was what most people did, oftentimes 385 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 3: the next morning, they would complain, why did you do 386 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 3: the dishes last night when I was sleeping? And yeah, 387 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:45,879 Speaker 3: and no one in this household did the dishes ever, 388 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:49,160 Speaker 3: And it was it was like a passive aggressive contest 389 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 3: constantly of who was going to do the dishes, and 390 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 3: usually it was Christy because she was like a good 391 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 3: person and the rest of us are slobs and like, 392 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 3: I don't care you do them. Like it was, there 393 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:02,639 Speaker 3: was a lot of that kind of coll energy around everything. Yeah, 394 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 3: we I never knew what anyone was talking about, because 395 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:07,159 Speaker 3: they'd be like, why weren't God that was you know, 396 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 3: I'm trying to sleep, and like the dishes are clanking, 397 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,639 Speaker 3: and we're like, oh sorry, Like we all are all 398 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,239 Speaker 3: thinking because there's four of us living there, that the 399 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 3: other ones are the ones that did it. 400 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:20,639 Speaker 1: But you would wake up and the dishes would be done, 401 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,360 Speaker 1: or someone would just like kind of hear the clanking. 402 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:26,439 Speaker 3: Hear the clanking, Okay, So they would be sleeping on 403 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 3: the couch or and the papasan chair and like trying 404 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 3: to sleep in the middle of the night, and then 405 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,719 Speaker 3: it sounded like someone was in there fully banging dishes around. 406 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:36,640 Speaker 1: So they're like you wash the dishes that you dirtied 407 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 1: them again and left them there because they're not cleaned. 408 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:43,119 Speaker 3: No, no, no, no dishes ever got cleaned either direction. 409 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 3: They would hear it and. 410 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, but then but they weren't actually. 411 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 3: Yeah no, no, no, yeah, but no, the dishes have 412 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 3: never been touched. Interesting, okay, okay, So but that was 413 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:55,879 Speaker 3: the kind of thing where people would say that to 414 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 3: us repeatedly and none of us ever went hey are 415 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:01,879 Speaker 3: you doing the dishes? Because I sure know I'm not 416 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,679 Speaker 3: doing the dishes. This is a fight we were constantly in. 417 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 3: Why are people complaining that they're listening to us doing 418 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 3: the dishes in the middle of the night. That never 419 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:14,679 Speaker 3: happened because we were constantly drunk, Like all all I 420 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 3: wanted to do was be drunk all the time, and 421 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 3: that was my goal, and I was really good at 422 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:23,320 Speaker 3: it and I did it constantly. So there was like 423 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:24,919 Speaker 3: a lot of things that would happen like that, and 424 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:29,440 Speaker 3: I just didn't question anything really, And I was also 425 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:32,480 Speaker 3: very self involved. So it's like people being like, hey, 426 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:34,719 Speaker 3: could you not do the dishes tonight type of thing, 427 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:36,160 Speaker 3: I'd be like, sure, sure, no. 428 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 1: Problem, got it. Yeah. 429 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:43,679 Speaker 3: So these little things like that would kind of happen, 430 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 3: and we just kind of weren't checking them at all. Also, Patty, 431 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:49,200 Speaker 3: aside from being very hot in her room, she'd always 432 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 3: be like, I don't know, like I'm kind of uncomfortable. 433 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 3: Then she found a little door in her closet and 434 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:00,359 Speaker 3: opened it, like she didn't know it was there, and 435 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 3: it seemed kind of hidden. And then when she opened 436 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 3: it, it was just like this long black tunnel and we 437 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 3: didn't know where it went, and no one had the 438 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:09,399 Speaker 3: guts to look inside or take a flashlight to it 439 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 3: or anything. 440 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 1: Could like a person fit into it. 441 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:15,879 Speaker 3: From what I remember, Yes, but really when you open 442 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:19,119 Speaker 3: the door, it was blackness, So I don't know if 443 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 3: it was open. It could have been like a part 444 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 3: of an attic that we just didn't know about, Like 445 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:29,639 Speaker 3: we don't know what it was because we never looked inside. Spooky, 446 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,960 Speaker 3: spooky and irresponsible, like why not just get a flashlight 447 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:37,479 Speaker 3: and see what's going on? Yeah, But instead we were 448 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 3: all just like it was just a kind of a 449 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:45,119 Speaker 3: masterclass of avoidance in all ways, whether it was personal finances, 450 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:50,480 Speaker 3: school work, being a good person, or tracking down the 451 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 3: supernatural events in the household. 452 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 1: I can relate so much to Like when I was 453 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 1: that age, I was the exact same, right. I was 454 00:25:58,119 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 1: just like I don't want to deal with that. 455 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 3: I just don't want to. It's kind of how I 456 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,680 Speaker 3: like dealt with parking tickets, where I just like take 457 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 3: them off the windshield of my car and throw them 458 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 3: over my shoulder. 459 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:08,119 Speaker 1: Yep. 460 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 3: It was that that approach to life, which I do 461 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 3: not recommend to anyone. 462 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:14,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, I would just deal with it when I had to. 463 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 1: I think for me, it was just like I had 464 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 1: to do like so much homework for like twelve years. 465 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:20,440 Speaker 1: Like I'm just like, uh. 466 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 3: Yes, Yeah. It was like I got the independence of 467 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:29,160 Speaker 3: going off to college and it was so liberating and 468 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 3: freeing to not be bossed around or told me here 469 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 3: to do this or whatever. That I was like, I'm 470 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 3: doing whatever I want all the time. And that got 471 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:39,920 Speaker 3: me slunked out of college. 472 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 1: Same right, So look at us now. 473 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 3: We really made it for podcasting. So that's also just 474 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 3: kind of mindset wise. If anyone believes in the part 475 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:58,680 Speaker 3: of ghosts where they could be attracted to you know, 476 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 3: low low energy, bad energy of that you're bringing to 477 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 3: the table, or chaos energy or you know, whatever was happening. 478 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 3: The household wasn't the healthiest. We'll just put it that way, Okay. 479 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:13,680 Speaker 1: So. 480 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:19,920 Speaker 3: Basically everybody leaves. I'm trying to remember. I just don't 481 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:24,679 Speaker 3: want to forget anything. Everybody. Oh no, okay, So this 482 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 3: is the first thing that happens. So Patty has to 483 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:28,600 Speaker 3: sleep in the papasan chair because it's a summer night, 484 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,120 Speaker 3: and she she's out there. I didn't know she'd gone 485 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:35,119 Speaker 3: out there. So I'm in my room and I have 486 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 3: this dream. And the dream is that I'm in my 487 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,199 Speaker 3: room and I hear someone at the front door. So 488 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 3: I go out to answer the door, and it was 489 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 3: like when one of those like old fashioned boards that 490 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,160 Speaker 3: has a window at the top third so you can 491 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,240 Speaker 3: look out the curtains and see you can see directly 492 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 3: who the person people are that are standing on your 493 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 3: front porch and they you. So I in the dream, 494 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 3: I walk out of my room to the front door, 495 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:04,080 Speaker 3: and I hear talking on the front steps. I open 496 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,320 Speaker 3: the curtain to look and see who it is, and 497 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 3: it's a mother and daughter and they're dressed kind of 498 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:14,639 Speaker 3: forties maybe early fifties. The daughter is little, like eight 499 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,240 Speaker 3: maybe or nine. She has braids, and the mother is 500 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 3: saying to the daughter, We're just gonna wait here and 501 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:26,440 Speaker 3: see if he goes away. So that's all that happens 502 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 3: in the dream. But that's when I wake up. I 503 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,399 Speaker 3: hear the mother say that. I wake up with a start. 504 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 3: My heart is racing, like it was the scariest dream 505 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 3: I've ever had. I was in a full panic. It 506 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 3: was like as if that was a very scary thing 507 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,320 Speaker 3: to witness, even though it was very run of the mill, 508 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 3: and I was like, I didn't know what was going on. 509 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 3: It was really scary. So I get up out of 510 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,880 Speaker 3: my bed and I go and open the door to 511 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,480 Speaker 3: my room that opens onto the front room. And by 512 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 3: opening my door, I wake Patty up because she's sleeping 513 00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 3: in the papasan chair and the sound of the door 514 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 3: opening wakes her up, and she wakes up like, oh 515 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 3: my god, like that, And so I'm staring at her 516 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:08,760 Speaker 3: and she goes, oh my god, I just have the 517 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:12,320 Speaker 3: scariest dream. And I go, was there a mother and 518 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:14,840 Speaker 3: a daughter standing on our front And like halfway through 519 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 3: the sentence, she goes, oh, why are you saying that? 520 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 3: She starts singing and crying. And she had the same 521 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 3: dream I. 522 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:26,479 Speaker 1: Had weird uh huh. So okay, now I've heard, like 523 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 1: I've heard of this a few times on this show, 524 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 1: the scared dream phenomena, which I think, is this the 525 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,720 Speaker 1: one you said you're still friends with? Yes, yeah, I 526 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 1: think that it's like from what I've read about it, 527 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,720 Speaker 1: I mean, everything is just sort of like evidence or 528 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:49,480 Speaker 1: but I think it's like a deep connection between two people. 529 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 1: Like I think it happens to people that are like 530 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 1: almost like past life or like people that are like 531 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 1: meant to be in your life. Like I don't know, 532 00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 1: I get really like spiritual like that when it comes 533 00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 1: to when I hear these shared dream things. But anyway, sorry, 534 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 1: I think it's no. 535 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,200 Speaker 3: I think you're really I think you're right. Patty and 536 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 3: I because we were friends from high school and I 537 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 3: loved her and adored her, and she was like, Hey, 538 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 3: I'm going to go to sax State. Please come with 539 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,720 Speaker 3: me and be my college roommate. That's how I decided 540 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 3: what college to go to. Was like my friend was like, Hey, 541 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:24,520 Speaker 3: let's do this, it'll be fun. So we were super 542 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,760 Speaker 3: connected and we were super a team kind of like 543 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:33,120 Speaker 3: that feeling. But then in this household that started changing, 544 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 3: and there was like a break. There was a break 545 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,520 Speaker 3: starting because I had made these other friends when I 546 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,880 Speaker 3: dropped out. I started going to the JC and going 547 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 3: to the theater department at this JC and made all 548 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:47,080 Speaker 3: these other friends. And then she was still at sax 549 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,640 Speaker 3: State and she had her friends and we were kind 550 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,920 Speaker 3: of splitting in this way. So there was that also 551 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 3: added to that kind of chaos feeling. So basically that happens, 552 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 3: and then once again we just kind of okay, that's that. 553 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 3: Like we don't go over it a bunch of times, 554 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,440 Speaker 3: we don't discuss it, we don't tell a ton of people. 555 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,400 Speaker 3: It was just like a very weird, creepy thing that happened, 556 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 3: and then we just were like going about our business. 557 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:19,320 Speaker 3: So that weekend, like let's say that happened on a Thursday. 558 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:23,760 Speaker 3: That Friday, everyone else in the house leaves and goes 559 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 3: home for the weekend. So I'm there by myself, and 560 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,720 Speaker 3: because my parents didn't well, I wasn't their favorite person 561 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,680 Speaker 3: in the world, so like everybody else, it was probably 562 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:41,360 Speaker 3: like some lower level holiday or whatever, and I was 563 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,280 Speaker 3: just like, yeah, I'm probably just going to hang out here. 564 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 3: I will also like self report that I was reading 565 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:52,600 Speaker 3: Silence of the Lambs. So spent all day I basically 566 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,440 Speaker 3: kind of binged that book, like, spent all day reading it, 567 00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,320 Speaker 3: and then went to bed that night alone in this 568 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 3: empty house. And I was eighteen or nineteen, so none 569 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 3: of this is a good idea. So anyway, that night, 570 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,040 Speaker 3: in the middle of the night, I wake up because 571 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:15,080 Speaker 3: I can hear walking in the dining room, and so 572 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,240 Speaker 3: I hear the walking, and then I'm like, in my head, 573 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, no, no, no, that's a dream. You 574 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,320 Speaker 3: didn't really hear that. And then I hear it more 575 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 3: so as I'm trying to kind of comfort myself with 576 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:29,120 Speaker 3: being like, oh that was you woke up because it's 577 00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:30,960 Speaker 3: a dream. There's no one in the house. And then 578 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:35,680 Speaker 3: the walking continues and I hear, oh, no, you know, 579 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,320 Speaker 3: at that back hallway was not carpeted, because I could 580 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,960 Speaker 3: hear it was footsteps on wood that was. I could 581 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,360 Speaker 3: hear the footsteps going from the dining room down the 582 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,280 Speaker 3: back hallway, and I'm thinking, in my head, this isn't 583 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,640 Speaker 3: really happening. I'm probably still dreaming, Like you know, I'm 584 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,120 Speaker 3: trying to rationalize it as I lay there, and I'm 585 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:58,680 Speaker 3: laying just for my bed was on this shared the 586 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 3: same wall is the door to the bathroom and my 587 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,400 Speaker 3: and it was kind of like in the corner, so 588 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:08,680 Speaker 3: I was laying in bed facing the wall with my 589 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:12,400 Speaker 3: back to the rest of the room. Also don't recommend that. 590 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 3: So I'm basically kind of like laying there thinking, you know, 591 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,000 Speaker 3: like in the like in a sleeping position, staring at 592 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,760 Speaker 3: the wall, going no, no, this isn't really happening, and 593 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:28,360 Speaker 3: then step step step, and then going no, there can't 594 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,120 Speaker 3: be anyone in this house, like this can't be the 595 00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,360 Speaker 3: way I die if someone broke into this part. 596 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:32,960 Speaker 1: I can't believe it. 597 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:38,600 Speaker 3: Then I hear the other bathroom door open, and then 598 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:43,000 Speaker 3: I hear step step step across the linoleum. Then I 599 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:47,200 Speaker 3: hear my bedroom door open that opens onto the bathroom. 600 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:51,720 Speaker 3: I hear two steps on the carpeting, and I'm fully awake. 601 00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,640 Speaker 3: A lot of people have said this is you, you 602 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,720 Speaker 3: were in sleep proalysis, this hapah blah blah blah. But 603 00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,760 Speaker 3: I've had sleep proalysis, and it's a very very foggy 604 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:04,760 Speaker 3: sensation and a very like you're disconnected from your body sensation. 605 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:09,359 Speaker 3: So it's very dream like to have sleep paralysis. I 606 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,719 Speaker 3: was not. This was not dream like in any way. 607 00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:16,680 Speaker 3: This was crystal like panic, crystal clarity, because I was like, 608 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:18,680 Speaker 3: oh my god, I'm about to get murdered. 609 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:20,080 Speaker 1: I can't believe it. 610 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,319 Speaker 3: I was literally thinking, I can't believe this is the 611 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:26,040 Speaker 3: way I go. This really sucks. I'm very young, like 612 00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,200 Speaker 3: I was having all those thoughts. But it was also 613 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,960 Speaker 3: just this kind of like I couldn't move, Like but 614 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,400 Speaker 3: it's not that I couldn't move, like I can't control 615 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,440 Speaker 3: my limbs. I could feel every part of my body. 616 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:41,160 Speaker 3: I was frozen in terror, like I like, oh my god, 617 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:46,200 Speaker 3: like bracing for an attack. And so I hear three 618 00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:49,799 Speaker 3: steps on the carpet. I feel the bed tip back 619 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,799 Speaker 3: like this. Somebody sat next to me on the on 620 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:58,400 Speaker 3: the bed and feel an arm go around the bottom 621 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:02,319 Speaker 3: of me, an arm around the top, and like these 622 00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:07,560 Speaker 3: big arms start squeezing me, squeezing my torso, squeezing, squeezing 623 00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:09,960 Speaker 3: and squeezing until all the air is like oh I 624 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,279 Speaker 3: can't breathe, and then boom it's over. 625 00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:16,799 Speaker 1: Oh my god. 626 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:21,640 Speaker 3: It was like and it was like the it all 627 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,040 Speaker 3: just was gone, so like no one was It was 628 00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:29,240 Speaker 3: like squeezing is gone. I can breathe. Bed isn't tipped, 629 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,400 Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like it's like ding, and. 630 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:35,320 Speaker 1: It was instantly like so that was a ghost. 631 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:40,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I was actually so panicked that it 632 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,439 Speaker 3: took me. I had to sit there and like tell 633 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:47,080 Speaker 3: myself to inhale and exhale for a little bit, and 634 00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,160 Speaker 3: then I had to get up and get the phone, 635 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,520 Speaker 3: which was one of the scariest things I've ever done, 636 00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,359 Speaker 3: to call my sister to come and pick me up 637 00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,480 Speaker 3: because she also lived in Sacramento, Thank fucking god. So 638 00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:59,279 Speaker 3: I wasn't didn't have to stay alone in that house 639 00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,360 Speaker 3: that night, but it was it was the middle of 640 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:03,120 Speaker 3: the night. It was like three thirty in the morning. 641 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:09,720 Speaker 1: Well of course, right the witching hour. Yes, Oh my god, 642 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:15,759 Speaker 1: that is so scary. Yeah. So so then how much 643 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:17,120 Speaker 1: longer did you live in that house? 644 00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:22,040 Speaker 3: Oh, like a like another year or like nine months 645 00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:22,560 Speaker 3: I think. 646 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:23,800 Speaker 1: And did stuff happen? 647 00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:31,120 Speaker 3: Yeah? One time my friend, the other girl that lived there, 648 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:35,360 Speaker 3: and I both got migraines to the point where we 649 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,400 Speaker 3: had to lay down and couldn't move, and every sound 650 00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:42,960 Speaker 3: and light and everything was like was we were just 651 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,279 Speaker 3: like quietly crying in our beds, like if a car 652 00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,200 Speaker 3: went by, it was like being stabbed in the ear. 653 00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,480 Speaker 3: And neither of us had ever had a migraine before, 654 00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:55,279 Speaker 3: and neither of us ever had once after that, And 655 00:36:55,320 --> 00:37:00,319 Speaker 3: it was like this shared like thing that I think 656 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,960 Speaker 3: was somehow connected to that, because it was just it 657 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:03,840 Speaker 3: didn't make sense. 658 00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,720 Speaker 1: And yeah, and who do we think these the women 659 00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:08,719 Speaker 1: and the daughter were. 660 00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:15,160 Speaker 3: Well, my personal theory is that the man that lived 661 00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,560 Speaker 3: in that house was. That's who I was in the 662 00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,640 Speaker 3: first dream and in Patty's dream too, walking to the 663 00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:24,360 Speaker 3: front door and seeing these two people on the front porch. 664 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,680 Speaker 3: And my personal this is just like made up story, 665 00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:30,920 Speaker 3: but my theory is the man that lived in that 666 00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:34,760 Speaker 3: house pretended he was going to help them and then 667 00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:40,160 Speaker 3: like attacked one or both of them. And so in 668 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:43,360 Speaker 3: me in the dream, I'm the man walking to the door, 669 00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:46,279 Speaker 3: and then in the experience, I think I was the 670 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:51,560 Speaker 3: little girl because the arms felt so large and very powerful, 671 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:55,239 Speaker 3: like they were they were crushing me, which was it 672 00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,800 Speaker 3: was so it wasn't like a weird hug or something 673 00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:02,080 Speaker 3: like that. It was like incredibly violent and banned, like 674 00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:06,359 Speaker 3: felt insanely dangerous until it stopped. So it felt like 675 00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:10,160 Speaker 3: somebody that you know, someone little, someone crushable. 676 00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:13,480 Speaker 1: Oh my god. So yeah, it was definitely not like 677 00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:18,200 Speaker 1: a cuddle, Like it wasn't a boyfriend pillow situation or. 678 00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:23,200 Speaker 3: Something, only it's one of my roommates, Like I thought 679 00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:26,239 Speaker 3: you were my boyfriend, pillow out of my room. 680 00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, if you're gonna put the arm underneath somebody like that, 681 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,279 Speaker 1: like if you're cuddling that, you're signing up to have 682 00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:36,080 Speaker 1: your arm fall asleep. So it's like I would not. 683 00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:40,480 Speaker 3: For a sleeping cuddle. No one goes under the torso no, 684 00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,560 Speaker 3: as you're on your side, that's just you're asking for 685 00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:44,640 Speaker 3: a dead arm. 686 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:45,440 Speaker 1: Yeah. 687 00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:49,520 Speaker 3: Also that that reminds me of this detail that just 688 00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:51,839 Speaker 3: popped in my head, which I can remember hearing the 689 00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:56,319 Speaker 3: arm smooth across the sheets that sound like skin on 690 00:38:56,400 --> 00:39:00,680 Speaker 3: sheets makes when it's sliding, if that makes sense. It 691 00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:05,720 Speaker 3: was very very if it was sleep paralysis or another 692 00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:10,000 Speaker 3: dream that was just intensely realistic, which I absolutely know 693 00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:12,840 Speaker 3: it wasn't, but I will entertain an idea that it 694 00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:16,799 Speaker 3: could have been. I just never had a dream that 695 00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:21,279 Speaker 3: that worked like that, where because I've had the dream 696 00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:22,719 Speaker 3: where it's like, oh I thought I was awake and 697 00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:24,640 Speaker 3: then I woke up and that was a dream too, 698 00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:26,640 Speaker 3: Like I've definitely had those, but they still had the 699 00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:33,640 Speaker 3: dream quality of things being lightly surreal. This was glaringly real. 700 00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:40,279 Speaker 3: Like about it seemed muted or dream like in any way. 701 00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:44,920 Speaker 1: Now, did your roommates have personal experiences like by themselves 702 00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,200 Speaker 1: like this or was this something that you brought up 703 00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,600 Speaker 1: or or no? Was it like the other experience you 704 00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:51,879 Speaker 1: kind of never brought it back up. 705 00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:57,080 Speaker 3: I didn't tell I think I can't. I probably told Patty, 706 00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:02,759 Speaker 3: but I U like, I wasn't like there. It was 707 00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,880 Speaker 3: the kind of household where if I was like you, guys, 708 00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:08,520 Speaker 3: I think a ghost came into my room and hugged me, 709 00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:13,080 Speaker 3: everyone would start talking at once about themselves, you know 710 00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:16,600 Speaker 3: what I mean, like or ching the subject or do something, 711 00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:19,359 Speaker 3: or like the fight about the dishes would start again 712 00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:24,160 Speaker 3: or whatever. It wasn't It wasn't a bunch of great 713 00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:27,000 Speaker 3: friends sitting around being together all you know what I mean. 714 00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,439 Speaker 3: It was like competitive. It was friendship, but in that 715 00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:33,920 Speaker 3: kind of too old for high school but still very 716 00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:37,520 Speaker 3: high school dynamic girl way where it's like your frenemies 717 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,239 Speaker 3: and there's a lot of competition and there's a lot 718 00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:42,560 Speaker 3: of like now I have the one up, So I'm 719 00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:45,440 Speaker 3: pretty sure if I told anybody, it would be Patty. 720 00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:47,600 Speaker 3: But I don't remember if I actually told her about 721 00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:50,279 Speaker 3: that part or not, but I must have. I must have, 722 00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:53,160 Speaker 3: But the I don't think I was. I knew I 723 00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,360 Speaker 3: wasn't to get a lot of like sympathy or care 724 00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:59,800 Speaker 3: about it. It was just like, you know, and everybody, 725 00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:02,359 Speaker 3: we just signed this lease so we had to live there, 726 00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,839 Speaker 3: so it was like, you know, more coming forward with 727 00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:09,240 Speaker 3: more proof that like this house is not okay, wasn't 728 00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:12,359 Speaker 3: and anybody wanted to hear anything like that? 729 00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:14,680 Speaker 1: Was that rest of the time you were there just 730 00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:15,759 Speaker 1: like terrifying. 731 00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:19,600 Speaker 3: No, no, because I was just checked out, like I 732 00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:23,799 Speaker 3: just it was that kind. I was very good at compartmentalizing. 733 00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,160 Speaker 3: And the thing that was happening in my life already 734 00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:29,680 Speaker 3: was so scary, which was I was kicked out of 735 00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:31,720 Speaker 3: college and my parents cut me off and I literally 736 00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:36,040 Speaker 3: had zero dollars and zero cents and had to figure 737 00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:40,719 Speaker 3: out how to live basically. So I was already in 738 00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:46,799 Speaker 3: this constant state of panic, anxiety and terror about just 739 00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,680 Speaker 3: standard living. So this it was almost like all this 740 00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,040 Speaker 3: was just like, yeah, I don't have time for this. 741 00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:55,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean there's many theories that that, you know, 742 00:41:56,280 --> 00:42:00,839 Speaker 1: that type of chaos or that kind of fear or 743 00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:04,040 Speaker 1: whatever it fuels this kind of activity. 744 00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, I would believe it because I think we were 745 00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:13,160 Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, it just made it the way it happened. 746 00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:14,960 Speaker 3: Because also the thing of like the dishes in the 747 00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,799 Speaker 3: middle of the night, it's just like it feels like 748 00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:18,759 Speaker 3: that you could fold that. 749 00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:19,120 Speaker 1: I mean. 750 00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:21,480 Speaker 3: Also, I like to tell stories, and that's what I 751 00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:23,360 Speaker 3: do for a living, so it's easy for me to 752 00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,880 Speaker 3: fill on these blanks. Whereas like a person's like, yeah, 753 00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:30,080 Speaker 3: you had a plumbing problem and you had a waking 754 00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:33,160 Speaker 3: dream of all of this is dismissed. But for me, 755 00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:36,879 Speaker 3: I can absolutely kind of it's like he's told them. 756 00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,239 Speaker 3: He told the mother and daughter that they could stay 757 00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:41,760 Speaker 3: in this room and that they were safe in this house. 758 00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,160 Speaker 3: And then the middle of the night he was doing 759 00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:46,160 Speaker 3: the dishes and came back and instead of going to 760 00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:49,160 Speaker 3: his room, came into their room and did what he wanted, 761 00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:51,000 Speaker 3: or you know what I mean, Like, I feel like 762 00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:54,239 Speaker 3: it could get all linked up right. 763 00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,200 Speaker 1: Well, it could also be you know, a ghost that 764 00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:03,319 Speaker 1: lived there and it was kind of passive aggressively, like 765 00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:05,480 Speaker 1: who's going to wash these dishes? Like I'm gonna wake 766 00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:08,480 Speaker 1: you up, you know, like clinkling them around to be 767 00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:12,560 Speaker 1: like hello. I mean that's just the thought. 768 00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:16,200 Speaker 3: I don't know which it ended by how badly we 769 00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:17,840 Speaker 3: were treating his beautiful home. 770 00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:25,879 Speaker 1: He's just gonna squeeze, yeah, until you do it to death. Well, 771 00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,279 Speaker 1: so when you've had sleep paralysis, I mean, have you 772 00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:33,040 Speaker 1: had that in like a paranormal way? Like did you 773 00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:36,160 Speaker 1: did it seem to you like a paranormal thing? I 774 00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:39,360 Speaker 1: mean I talked to a lot of people about sleep paralysis, 775 00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:42,719 Speaker 1: and you know, sometimes people see what they believe to 776 00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:47,000 Speaker 1: be demons and they feel like someone's sitting on them. 777 00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:50,440 Speaker 1: I mean that has that been your experience with sleep paralysis? 778 00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,680 Speaker 3: Not really, although I had it once where it felt 779 00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:56,560 Speaker 3: like there was the idea was like I was trying 780 00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:58,440 Speaker 3: to wake up out of a dream because someone was 781 00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:01,960 Speaker 3: in the room. But it did and it wasn't. The 782 00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,480 Speaker 3: assumption on my side was not that it was a demon. 783 00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:06,400 Speaker 3: It was just like a person that I needed to 784 00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:08,520 Speaker 3: like figure out who was in the room with me. 785 00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:13,520 Speaker 3: And so it was that kind of like realizing I'm 786 00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:16,880 Speaker 3: half asleep and trying to do something to get myself 787 00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:22,720 Speaker 3: back to consciousness. But that again, the it was almost 788 00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:25,120 Speaker 3: like it's the difference between I feel like my sleep 789 00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:31,160 Speaker 3: paralysis experience felt like I was underwater, whereas that ghost 790 00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:35,000 Speaker 3: hugging experience was just clear as day, like how I 791 00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:36,120 Speaker 3: feel right this second. 792 00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:42,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, Okay, that's a good one. Right. 793 00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,879 Speaker 3: So, I mean, wouldn't it be fascinating if if who 794 00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:51,480 Speaker 3: is the researchers, Samantha Samantha, if Samantha could tell us 795 00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:55,360 Speaker 3: anything about that house, because I mean I just feel 796 00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:59,000 Speaker 3: like it was just old enough and just kind of 797 00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,960 Speaker 3: just creep enough that it would make perfect sense if 798 00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:04,439 Speaker 3: just something bad happened there. 799 00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:09,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to know. Okay, I'll let you know 800 00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:17,520 Speaker 1: if we find anything out. Do you want to hear 801 00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:25,759 Speaker 1: some ghost voices? Please? Okay, it is time for EVPs 802 00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:34,000 Speaker 1: or ev please. Do you know what an EVP is? Sure? 803 00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:37,120 Speaker 1: Do do you watch like go something shows and stuff? Yes? 804 00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:41,439 Speaker 3: Well I love those shows because it's like I sit 805 00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:44,680 Speaker 3: there like keeping a record of like just once can 806 00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:48,440 Speaker 3: they find anything? But it feels to me that the 807 00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:51,520 Speaker 3: EVPs are the closest. The EVPs and then guys with 808 00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:56,719 Speaker 3: terrible necklaces getting scared in dark basements. That's the only 809 00:45:56,760 --> 00:46:02,040 Speaker 3: proof they have of anything happening, right, Yeah. 810 00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:04,279 Speaker 1: I mean if you wear one of those, if you 811 00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:06,839 Speaker 1: have like an affliction T shirt or like. 812 00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:11,000 Speaker 3: Shirt and like a shark necklace, you're done for in 813 00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:11,719 Speaker 3: that basement. 814 00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:13,240 Speaker 1: Ghosts don't like those. 815 00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:15,879 Speaker 3: No, you can work out all you want, you can't 816 00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:16,720 Speaker 3: fight that ghost. 817 00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, so what I like, But I like the one. 818 00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:26,000 Speaker 3: I like the show with the plumbers because they want 819 00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:29,839 Speaker 3: to disprove, but they also will entertain. They're like, they're 820 00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,040 Speaker 3: so reasonable about it because they're like, look, we're here. 821 00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:33,920 Speaker 3: If you if it's the pipes, we're going to tell you. 822 00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:37,279 Speaker 3: But if it's not, we absolutely will back you up 823 00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:41,759 Speaker 3: if something else. I love that approach because they seem, 824 00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,319 Speaker 3: you know, like they know what they're talking about. That 825 00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:46,040 Speaker 3: team in particular. 826 00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:48,759 Speaker 1: Well, so since you already know what a EVP is, 827 00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:52,560 Speaker 1: it's electronic voice phenomena. So you know, there's lots of 828 00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:57,200 Speaker 1: people on YouTube that you know, post their EVPs and 829 00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:00,920 Speaker 1: I like to just go to them and I like 830 00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:05,160 Speaker 1: to have my guests guess what either they believe the 831 00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:09,440 Speaker 1: ghost is saying or what you hear. And sometimes it's 832 00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:14,919 Speaker 1: an EVP. Sometimes it's an ev police this one. Okay, 833 00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:18,120 Speaker 1: so I found some from Alcatraz. Have you been to Alcatraz? 834 00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:18,759 Speaker 1: I have? 835 00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:22,000 Speaker 3: Yeah? 836 00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:27,359 Speaker 1: This is This was captured by someone on YouTube named 837 00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:35,360 Speaker 1: Anthony Anderson and fish from No. I don't know actually, 838 00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:39,240 Speaker 1: to be honest, he could be an amateur like YouTube. 839 00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:43,520 Speaker 1: I would love that he's great, but I don't think 840 00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:46,399 Speaker 1: so because we have used this guy's EVPs before. He's 841 00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:48,480 Speaker 1: got a ton of EVPs and some really good stuff 842 00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:53,840 Speaker 1: on YouTube. So tell me what you think this ghost 843 00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:57,560 Speaker 1: is saying. All right, I'm gonna try this on my computer. 844 00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:02,000 Speaker 1: Hopefully you can hear it. Okay, wait, let me do 845 00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:13,120 Speaker 1: it again. Did you hear any words? That was it? 846 00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:14,279 Speaker 3: Against it? 847 00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:15,400 Speaker 1: It's real quick. 848 00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:23,400 Speaker 3: In one and one more time for the people in 849 00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:23,719 Speaker 3: the back. 850 00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:24,279 Speaker 1: Yes. 851 00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:32,640 Speaker 3: O wait, well that time it sounded like he said 852 00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:35,600 Speaker 3: boom boom. 853 00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:37,120 Speaker 1: Okay, Well here's some options. 854 00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:38,280 Speaker 3: Oh, okay great? 855 00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:41,840 Speaker 1: Is it a ooh bitch like it could be like 856 00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:46,280 Speaker 1: a drag queen ghost? Yes? Is it b bull crap? 857 00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:53,000 Speaker 1: Is it c who cares? D Judy Denchy. I'm gonna 858 00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:53,479 Speaker 1: play it again. 859 00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:03,000 Speaker 3: First of all, I love this was multiple choice and 860 00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:07,000 Speaker 3: I was I didn't get before you gave me the 861 00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:08,239 Speaker 3: multiple choices. 862 00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:11,080 Speaker 1: Well, so I like to know what you hear, because 863 00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:13,600 Speaker 1: here's the thing with an ev B, you're just pulling 864 00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:15,719 Speaker 1: things out of the air. You hear something and then 865 00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:18,560 Speaker 1: you just make up what you think it says completely. 866 00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:20,839 Speaker 3: So I think the closest would be bull crap because 867 00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:23,279 Speaker 3: I heard, like the boull, I felt like I heard 868 00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:24,480 Speaker 3: something along those lines. 869 00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:26,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, let's hear it again, because that is the answer 870 00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:35,479 Speaker 1: bull crap. I mean, I hear Judy Danch, but that's 871 00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:37,200 Speaker 1: just me. I hear that always. 872 00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:40,760 Speaker 3: What if it was Judy Dench herself whispering Judy Dant. 873 00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:45,640 Speaker 1: She's trying to get trying to get the word out, 874 00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:48,520 Speaker 1: you know. It's like like when people like print off 875 00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:51,560 Speaker 1: headshot or like business cards, like actors that have business cards. 876 00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:54,919 Speaker 3: She's she's trying to get some buzz going. 877 00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:00,800 Speaker 1: Okay, here's another one, also from Alcatraz, also from Anthony Anderson. 878 00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:03,720 Speaker 1: Tell me what you think that? Now? This one's real creepy. 879 00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:09,440 Speaker 1: What do you think this is saying? Okay, you have 880 00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:12,640 Speaker 1: to kind of like really like tune into it. It's 881 00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:15,919 Speaker 1: like kind of a whispery voice. Let's hear it again. 882 00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:29,879 Speaker 3: Mm hmm, maybe one more Okay, now should I wait 883 00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:31,280 Speaker 3: for the multiple choice or should. 884 00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:33,680 Speaker 1: I tell you? Well that's did you have a guess? 885 00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:39,080 Speaker 3: It sounded to me like something like, wait, will you 886 00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:46,040 Speaker 3: do it one more time? Yeah, it's sounded something like 887 00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:50,040 Speaker 3: I love you, I think, or I something. I mean 888 00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:52,479 Speaker 3: obviously that's not scary. Well, it's scary in a way. 889 00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:54,759 Speaker 3: If someone said that to you would be horrifying. 890 00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:57,520 Speaker 1: But if they said I love you, I think. 891 00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:00,480 Speaker 3: I think, I don't know. I changed my mind. Yeah, 892 00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:02,759 Speaker 3: there's something. It sounds like I love you at the 893 00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:03,600 Speaker 3: beginning to me. 894 00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:07,360 Speaker 1: Okay, well here's one of the one of these options 895 00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:10,120 Speaker 1: is what he thinks? Is it a I want to 896 00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:15,360 Speaker 1: grab a baby? B I like it when it's flaky. 897 00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:18,720 Speaker 1: Maybe listen, Maybe they like croissants. I don't know. 898 00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:22,080 Speaker 3: Maybe it's a French person that got arrested in San Francisco. 899 00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:26,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, it could be. No, is it C I'm not 900 00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:32,959 Speaker 1: acting shady? Or d I really miss old navy? Okay, 901 00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:44,600 Speaker 1: let me play it one more time, and I guess. 902 00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:44,760 Speaker 3: I felt like I heard the flaky one. 903 00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:50,719 Speaker 1: I like it when it's flaky. Yeah, it's I want 904 00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:55,759 Speaker 1: to grab a baby? No. Oh, my god. Okay, I 905 00:51:55,840 --> 00:52:00,160 Speaker 1: get to hear that one more time with that knowledge. 906 00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:02,640 Speaker 3: Oh shit, I really heard at that time. 907 00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:07,120 Speaker 1: Oh that is terrifying. Why would somebody say that? 908 00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:11,120 Speaker 3: Also, it's like, good luck in Alcatraz, dumb ass, You're 909 00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:12,399 Speaker 3: not going to have a baby in there. 910 00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:16,000 Speaker 1: You are in the wrong place. You are not in 911 00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:17,320 Speaker 1: the wrong place. 912 00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:19,680 Speaker 3: I was just going to say. It feels like when 913 00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:26,120 Speaker 3: I'm on those paranormal shows when they do those EVP interpretations, 914 00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:29,120 Speaker 3: I never hear what they They all seem to know 915 00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:33,319 Speaker 3: it immediately. Oh yeah, and I'm always like, huh, like 916 00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:35,279 Speaker 3: I have to hear it twenty times and I still 917 00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:36,719 Speaker 3: kind of don't ever hear it. 918 00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:42,240 Speaker 1: Really, it's we listen. I spent hours on YouTube trying 919 00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:44,520 Speaker 1: to find them, and so many times I'm like, that 920 00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:51,399 Speaker 1: was like somebody's you know, like windbreaker, that was not 921 00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:54,440 Speaker 1: it was a rustle of a starter jacket that was 922 00:52:54,520 --> 00:53:00,600 Speaker 1: not like an actual person whispering something. But but then 923 00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:04,160 Speaker 1: what it is, But it could be some people have 924 00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:09,640 Speaker 1: those voices that sound like that. So Karen, that's about it. 925 00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:11,759 Speaker 3: Oh my god, I want to do that for like 926 00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:15,839 Speaker 3: two more hours. That's hilarious. 927 00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:21,920 Speaker 1: You are seriously, like I can now cross off dream 928 00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:26,160 Speaker 1: guest wanting you to do this, and I'm so excited 929 00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:28,160 Speaker 1: that you did. You're just the best. 930 00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:30,160 Speaker 3: I love you, ros You're the best too. 931 00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:34,440 Speaker 1: Oh thank you. And you know, I'm always like something 932 00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:36,719 Speaker 1: that I love to like brag about because like my 933 00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:38,759 Speaker 1: favorite murder comes up all the time and I always 934 00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:41,399 Speaker 1: like to be like, well, I have gotten to see 935 00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:46,200 Speaker 1: Karen perform like even before that, and that's great. Still 936 00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:48,000 Speaker 1: every once in a while I get to see her 937 00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:53,560 Speaker 1: doing stand up and music and I just think you're 938 00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:55,120 Speaker 1: the coolest and the funniest. 939 00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:55,879 Speaker 3: Thank you. 940 00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:56,160 Speaker 1: Well. 941 00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:58,759 Speaker 3: I that show you and Sam Pancake used to have 942 00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:02,120 Speaker 3: at the Improv Lab, you guys were so hilarious and 943 00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:05,160 Speaker 3: you are hilarious too, So right back at you. 944 00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:09,839 Speaker 1: Thank you. So, Karen, where can people listen to you? 945 00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:14,680 Speaker 3: Well? I have a podcast network called the Exactly Right 946 00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:18,439 Speaker 3: Network and so on that. I have My Favorite Murder 947 00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:20,920 Speaker 3: with Georgia Hartstark is one of my podcasts, and the 948 00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:22,680 Speaker 3: other is do You Need a Ride with the Great 949 00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:27,799 Speaker 3: Chris Fairbanks And then I'm like on Twitter. Other than that, 950 00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:31,640 Speaker 3: I just try to lay low my own business. Oh 951 00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:34,760 Speaker 3: love podcast constantly with all my friends. 952 00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:39,040 Speaker 1: Love it. All right, Karen, thank you. 953 00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:40,800 Speaker 3: Thank you so much. Thanks land. 954 00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:47,000 Speaker 1: Ah see what I mean. Karen is the coolest. I 955 00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:51,800 Speaker 1: am so honored that I get to know her. And gosh, 956 00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:55,680 Speaker 1: things have been good. We've had some great interviews lately. 957 00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:58,920 Speaker 1: And thank you guys so much for listening. Thank you 958 00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:02,960 Speaker 1: everyone that has given the show five stars on Apple Podcasts, 959 00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:05,960 Speaker 1: which if you haven't done it really helps out the show. 960 00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:07,920 Speaker 1: You could do that just by going to Apple Podcasts 961 00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:10,280 Speaker 1: give us five stars. And if you have a ghost story, 962 00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:12,680 Speaker 1: you can leave it there in a review, or you 963 00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:16,200 Speaker 1: could join our Facebook group called Ghosted by Roz Dress 964 00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:20,280 Speaker 1: Falles Well our Facebook group and we have a Facebook page, 965 00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:22,240 Speaker 1: but if you joined the group, you could leave a story. 966 00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:25,560 Speaker 1: You can share any ghost you headlines, lots of fun 967 00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:29,520 Speaker 1: conversations in there. You can find me on venmo at 968 00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:33,280 Speaker 1: Queen Ross. You can find me on Instagram. Roz Dress 969 00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:38,960 Speaker 1: fales Panza. 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