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Speaker 1: great show for everyone today, it's Tuesday. It's especially great

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Speaker 3: Going to be an amazing show, always amazing.

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Speaker 1: I guess all my line it's a bro show, so

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Speaker 3: We've got a great bunch of great topics today. We're

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Speaker 3: Have you've said that before?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's my cash. Yeah, all right, let's see. We

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Speaker 1: got Israel. We are going to talk a little bit

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Speaker 1: about what's going on in terms of the latest with

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Speaker 1: Netsan Yahu. What the IDF claims of their control over Gaza.

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Speaker 1: They say have total control of the Gaza strip Ryan

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Speaker 1: is going to break down for us some of the

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Speaker 1: things that are going on inside of Israel, some of

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Speaker 1: the domestic consternation, and some we're crackdown on terms of

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Speaker 1: civil disobedience inside of the country. We are also going

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Speaker 1: to preview for everybody probably the single most important meeting

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Speaker 3: There's a lot to discuss.

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Speaker 1: There also is an interesting moment though, because President Biden

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Speaker 1: which overnight has become clean, and there's a lot to

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Speaker 1: about two very important stories. I know many of the

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Speaker 1: people who watch the show are in California, and actually

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Speaker 1: a lot in the city of Los Angeles. We're going

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Speaker 1: to talk about the closure of the I ten, part

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Speaker 1: that story, very near and dear to Ryan's heart, Oregon

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Speaker 1: having a little bit of second thoughts about total decriminalization

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court which is released a new ethics code and format.

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Speaker 1: Ryan actually read through the entire thing, so I'll be

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Speaker 1: asking him a lot about that President Biden as well.

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Speaker 3: Lots of concerns.

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Speaker 1: Media is waking up, you know now at this point

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Speaker 1: they're like, oh my god, this man is so old.

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Speaker 3: How the hell do we drag him across the finish line?

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Speaker 1: And then ran for now You're going to be our

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Speaker 1: resident Spanish extra. What the hell is going on in Spain?

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Speaker 1: Tucker's on the ground. What's going on there? Ryan will

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Speaker 1: explain all of it to us. So before we get

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Speaker 1: any of that, Ryan, you want to plug the book?

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Speaker 1: Ye here, Okay, it's the Squad Squad all right, and

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Speaker 1: it is a AOC in the Hope of the Political Revolution.

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Speaker 1: You guys are going to be hearing a lot about it.

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Speaker 1: It's an excellent book. And we will also have a

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Speaker 1: hear about it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And a week and a half or so right

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Speaker 4: after Thanksgiving, if you're in DC, I'll be at Politics

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Speaker 1: That's right, So Chris will be interviewing in Politics and Pros.

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Speaker 1: Said last time, that's how you truly have made it.

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Speaker 3: You go, you get the.

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Speaker 1: Politics and pros thing, the flagship, you're guaranteed right next

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Speaker 1: to the sex child sex traffick in pizza place. Oh,

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Speaker 1: that's right, I forgot about that. I've actually been there.

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Speaker 1: I looked around of the basement. There was nothing. There's

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Speaker 1: actually not a basis. All right, anyway, all right, we

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Speaker 1: could have too much fun here. Let's start with Israel.

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Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and get to our first element here

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Speaker 3: Here's what President Biden had to say.

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Speaker 5: Have you expressed any specific concerns to Israel?

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Speaker 3: Answer?

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Speaker 6: Well, you know, I am not from reluctant, and especially

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Speaker 6: there is an effort to take this pause to deal

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Speaker 6: well with cutteries are engaged, and so I've made somewhat

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Speaker 1: So this is a big question around what he's saying.

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Speaker 1: Ryan part of the reasons that we need to protect

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Speaker 1: the hospital. There was some reporting last night, very very

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Speaker 1: Washington Post. He claims that a forthcoming five day ceasefire

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Speaker 1: don't know the exact details. As I said, this is

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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, So he was sourcing that to an

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Speaker 4: he's running This is what I heard. This follows a

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Speaker 4: That's said that Hamas was ready to release seventy women

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Speaker 4: so this builds on that you saw Biden sort of

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Speaker 4: mentioned a pause that he's been pushing and they've been

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Speaker 4: pushing back on They can only put Israel can only

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Speaker 4: But we really are doing all of this.

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Speaker 3: This is important. It looks like it's happening.

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Speaker 1: This is an important point. It actually kind of ties

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Speaker 3: This is from the Times of Israel correspondent.

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Speaker 1: He says that according to their Defense Minister quote, Hamas

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Speaker 1: IDF moves to capture Gaza City. There is no force

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Speaker 1: So I'm kind of reading this in a couple of

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Speaker 1: different ways. Ryan, there was a very fascinating comment from

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Speaker 1: I've been thinking about this entire military operation really in

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Speaker 1: the context of the Iraq War. So during Iraq, there

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Speaker 1: are multiple phases of the US occupation and of the war.

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Speaker 1: Phase one, the easiest phase in retrospect, was just destroying

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Speaker 1: military basically had no trouble doing it. It took three weeks.

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Speaker 1: President Bush marks the occasion mission accomplished, and all of

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Speaker 1: that it turns out that the war really began the

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Speaker 1: as total chaos, and it descends into what we think

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Speaker 1: are in the phase one sort of the conflict. They've

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Speaker 1: got the US support at this point militarily. I mean

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Speaker 1: I just checked this morning. Their official number of IDF

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Speaker 1: who have been killed in action is forty seven. It's nothing,

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Speaker 1: but it's not particularly high death toll. However, they are

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Speaker 1: getting to the phase now where they claim Hamas has

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Speaker 1: now what question. We spend a lot of time yesterday

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Speaker 3: I'm curious what you think.

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Speaker 4: Of all of that, and I would add it even

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Speaker 4: and awe campaign, right and Israel, the IDF has done

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Speaker 4: difference here is that, Okay, you have reduced northern Gaza

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Speaker 4: I guess congratulations, mission accomplished. But I think anybody could

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Speaker 4: then the US dropped on Afghanistan like the entire time,

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Speaker 4: then yes, you're going to get the twenty to thirty

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Speaker 4: your point, now what and then Yahoo has said, well,

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Speaker 4: we'll figure that out afterwards.

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Speaker 3: We're not gonna worry about that.

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Speaker 4: Now he has also said, well, we're gonna occupy it indefinitely.

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Speaker 4: US is like, no, you're not we're not doing you're

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Speaker 4: countries like, what do you mean You're not gonna live?

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Speaker 3: Soho? So who, yes, who's gonna run? It's not you.

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Speaker 4: If it's not them, who's which leads then a lot

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Speaker 4: of people say, wait a minute, do you plan?

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Speaker 3: And they're not being people there. Well, the big question too,

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Speaker 3: is who the hell's gonna run the election? You say

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Speaker 3: you're gonna have an election.

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Speaker 1: I mean America ran into this problem where we were like,

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Speaker 1: we had to decide basically who was allowed to run

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Speaker 1: and who's not. Oh, it turns out that didn't have

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Speaker 1: a lot of democratic legitimacy with the Iraqi people, and

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Speaker 1: it took decades in order for that to actually material

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Speaker 1: if it even does materialize.

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Speaker 4: And in two thousand and six, when George W. Bush

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Speaker 4: oversaw that election, Hillary Clinton famously publicly sem publicly was like,

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Speaker 4: would you an idiot? You would hold an election and

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Speaker 4: not be able to rig the outcome?

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Speaker 3: Right, Which, when you.

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Speaker 4: Step back a second and think about who's saying that,

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Speaker 4: it's kind of about kind of an amusing thing to

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Speaker 4: I mean, when you've got a sexy b one like that,

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Speaker 4: I had said ten thousand, but you look at the

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Speaker 4: drone footage, it's like the whole It's like, yeah, city was.

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Speaker 3: Out this as London.

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Speaker 1: Actually, we'll probably cover it on Thursday, just some of

443
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Speaker 1: the outbreaks.

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Speaker 3: One of the biggest in British history.

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Speaker 1: I was going to say, I think since two thousand

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Speaker 1: and three might be the largest protests to actually take

447
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Speaker 1: place there. So big stuff is happening. Let's move on

448
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Speaker 1: now to Israel and what's happening on the ground. So

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Speaker 1: Bib Nasannah, who took to the US air waves as

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Speaker 1: he did all in English, of course, in order to

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Speaker 1: telegraph directly to you. He was actually asked though, He's like, hey,

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Speaker 1: are you ever going to take responsibility for what happened

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Speaker 1: on October seven?

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Speaker 3: Let's take a listen. I know you say the time

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Speaker 3: for that will come after the war. Why won't you

456
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Speaker 3: take responsibility now, I've.

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Speaker 7: Already addressed that many times, and I said, this whole

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Speaker 7: question will be addressed after the war, just as people

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Speaker 7: would ask, well, did people ask Franklin Roosevelt after Pearl

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Speaker 7: Harbor that question? Did people ask George Bush after the

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Speaker 7: surprise attack of November eleventh. Look, it's a question that

462
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Speaker 7: needs to be asked.

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Speaker 3: This question will asked, and I've.

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Speaker 7: Said and I've said, I've said that one thing that

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Speaker 7: is important, and I've said, We're going to answer all

466
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Speaker 7: these questions, including me. I'm going to be asked tough

467
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Speaker 7: questions right now. I think what we have to do

468
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Speaker 7: is unite the country for one purpose, one purpose alone,

469
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Speaker 7: and that is to achieve victory. That's what I did.

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Speaker 7: We formed a unity government. The country is united as

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Speaker 7: never before, and I think that's what we have to pursue.

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Speaker 7: And what the people expect me to do right now

473
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Speaker 7: is two things. One, achieve this victory and bring the

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Speaker 7: hostages back and second, assure that Gaza never becomes And two.

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Speaker 5: Israelis who are disappointed that you still won't take responsibility.

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Speaker 3: You say, well, I.

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Speaker 7: Said that I'm going to answer all the questions that

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Speaker 7: are required, including the questions of responsibility. There will be

479
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Speaker 7: enough time for that after the war. Let's focus on victory.

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Speaker 7: That's my responsibility.

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Speaker 1: So this is especially ironic comment the nine to eleven one.

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Speaker 1: Would we have been better off if we did not

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Speaker 1: immediately rally around the flag and instead asked Georgia were like,

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Speaker 1: hey man, how exactly does this happen on your watch?

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Speaker 1: You had a briefing on what was it, August ninth

486
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Speaker 1: or something like that. Bin Laden determined to attack the

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Speaker 1: United States. So what happened there? Wait, the FBI and

488
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Speaker 1: the CIA were like screwing with each other and they

489
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Speaker 1: just happened to miss you know, the Saudi agents that

490
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Speaker 1: were all across America. He even had the twentieth hijacker

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Speaker 1: in custody. And you had another guy who was involved

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Speaker 1: in the World Trade Center bomb or no in the

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Speaker 1: two thousand Millennium bombing, and he actually recognized ZACHARISMASAUI, but

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Speaker 1: he didn't show him a photo until after nine eleven.

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Speaker 1: You could have prevented it. Or actually, the CIA had

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Speaker 1: scans of their US visas and knew they were coming here.

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Speaker 3: And nobody was able to put that out together.

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Speaker 1: Now, let me ask whether we would have been better

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Speaker 1: off asking all those questions. We didn't find out any

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Speaker 1: of the facts I just laid out. We probably didn't

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Speaker 1: find out till what two thousand and five, two thousand

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Speaker 1: and six. Well, by that time, we're in the middle

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Speaker 1: of a dam insurgency in Iraq, and you know, even

504
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Speaker 1: the FDR example, there is a lot of stuff that

505
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Speaker 1: happened inside the State Department where America would have been

506
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Speaker 1: very much better off. We had asked a lot of questions,

507
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Speaker 1: but hey, who the hell was running the East Asia

508
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Speaker 1: Desk and decided to just cut Japan off on an

509
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Speaker 1: oil embargo and not think about what the consequences of

510
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Speaker 1: that we're gonna be. So, yeah, actually you are better

511
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Speaker 1: off in the immediate aftermath being like, yes, how exactly

512
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Speaker 1: did this happen? Not only prevent it never happen again,

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Speaker 1: but prevent us from using the war to you know,

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Speaker 1: different political purposes, as Bebe is doing, to actually address

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Speaker 1: the core problem that the majority of his Israelis feel,

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Speaker 1: you know, want the hostages back and they WoT Amas

517
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Speaker 1: to pay a price. Those are totally legitimate, but Bbe's

518
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Speaker 1: direct like long term interest do not align with what

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Speaker 1: they want, and at least for them, the Israelis, I'll

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Speaker 1: give them this.

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Speaker 3: They're smart enough where they understand that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're much smarter than we were after nine to eleven,

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Speaker 1: where we were just like rah rah oh my god,

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Speaker 1: George W.

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Speaker 3: Bush through out a pitch at Yankee Stadium.

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Speaker 4: And to the Israeli public's great credit on this particular question,

527
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Speaker 4: they have not let him, yes, sweep these questions under

528
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Speaker 4: the rug because the answers are all obvious and none

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Speaker 4: of them are useful for Beebe. And we've talked about

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Speaker 4: this before. One of the answers, or two of them.

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Speaker 4: One is his attempt to take over the judiciary to

532
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Speaker 4: stay out of jail like that. Kind of the public

533
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Speaker 4: Israeli public sees that as part of the kind of

534
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Speaker 4: a distraction that kind of weakened the country ahead of

535
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Speaker 4: ahead of this, and secondly, empowering these settlers in the

536
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Speaker 4: West Bank to just run rough shot over Palestinians over

537
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Speaker 4: the last year to kill two hundred plus of them.

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Speaker 4: Clearing out entire neighborhoods required the moving of a lot

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Speaker 4: of military assets from the Neck of Desert up to

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Speaker 4: the West Bank.

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Speaker 3: So that was a choice that was made that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I was also very hostile to the south of

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Speaker 4: Israel because, as we talked about right afterwards, a lot

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Speaker 4: of lefties that lived down there, and so all of

545
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Speaker 4: these different moves he made, along with allegedly having the

546
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Speaker 4: most sophisticated intelligence apparatus in world history and missing it,

547
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Speaker 4: all of those things combined to create an opening for

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Speaker 4: Hamas that appears to have shocked Hamas as well, you know,

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Speaker 4: as well as the Israeli defenses, like they did not

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Speaker 4: expect that they would be kind of rampaging for days.

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Speaker 4: You know, I think this was, as we understand what

552
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Speaker 4: they're thinking, what this was a hit these military outposts,

553
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Speaker 4: grab as many hostages as possible and then go back

554
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Speaker 4: to Gaza and then do a hostage exchange for Palestinian prisoners.

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Speaker 4: But they overran the defenses so thoroughly that they just

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Speaker 4: then just called an audible and kept going.

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Speaker 3: Well, congratulations to them.

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Speaker 1: They're certainly very smart people, who, of course, you know,

559
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Speaker 1: would never have anticipated that taking hostages of children and

560
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Speaker 1: all that wouldn't invite a massive military response.

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Speaker 3: Ryan, you did flag.

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Speaker 1: However, there's some stuff going on inside of Israel that

563
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Speaker 1: I want you to be able to break down for us.

564
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Speaker 1: We can go and put this up there on the screen,

565
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Speaker 1: guys about Israeli civilian and human rights inside of the

566
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Speaker 1: country right now and some acts of protests and others.

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Speaker 1: Can you just tell us about some examples about what

568
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Speaker 1: you're seeing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So, the the Kanessea has passed legislation since October

570
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Speaker 4: seventh that criminal that criminalizes effectively criticizing the war effort,

571
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Speaker 4: criminalizes any support of that, anything that could be remotely

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Speaker 4: understood to be uh support of Palestinians broadly. Uh, and

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Speaker 4: even criminalizes particular news consumption, not just the Hamas kind

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Speaker 4: of telegraph you channel, the telegram channel that's.

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Speaker 3: That that is like definitely going to get you arrested.

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Speaker 4: Interesting, But you can't be on different WhatsApp groups that

577
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Speaker 4: are sharing news from God from reporters in Gaza.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 4: There have been people that have been arrested for just

580
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Speaker 4: sharing the kind of handles of Oh here's some good

581
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Speaker 4: people to follow on Instagram. Sure like that that has

582
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Speaker 4: gotten you arrested. This weekend, there were two there, Uh,

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Speaker 4: there were two Israeli leaders here in Washington, d C.

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Speaker 4: One is a Israeli Jewish labor leader. The other is

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Speaker 4: the only female Palestinian member of the Kanesset. They found

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Speaker 4: an organization called Standing Together and they're kind of doing

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Speaker 4: an American tour.

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Speaker 3: I saw them over the weekend. They said.

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Speaker 4: One of the things that organization did right after October

590
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Speaker 4: seventh is they set up a hotline for people who

591
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Speaker 4: were either arrested or fired for making public comments that

592
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Speaker 4: ran a foul of these new laws. And they are

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Speaker 4: in the high thousands. This is not like a couple

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Speaker 4: of cases here of a teacher, because you've seen some

595
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Speaker 4: high profile cases of a teacher who got arrested for

596
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Speaker 4: posting the names of Palestinian children who were killed with

597
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Speaker 4: gods like that's it, not saying, you know, maybe they

598
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Speaker 4: even supported it, just posting the names.

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Speaker 3: They said. They're in the high thousands.

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Speaker 4: There's a viral video that's gone around of a Palestinian

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Speaker 4: woman who's an Israeli citizens wat you saw that. The

602
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Speaker 4: cops show up and they're like, you are supporting terror,

603
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Speaker 4: and she's like, and you can tell in her eyes

604
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Speaker 4: that she did not, like she she knew she didn't

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Speaker 4: even post anything. And they said on her what's app

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Speaker 4: status had said basically, may God grant them courage and

607
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Speaker 4: victory or something like that. And she's like I was

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Speaker 4: referring to Israel. Huh, I mean is really citizen? Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I'm rooting for Like, she's probably already taking a lot

610
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Speaker 4: of flak.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, owned community.

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Speaker 4: And you can tell, you can just tell from her

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Speaker 4: body language she's telling the truth, but you can also

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Speaker 4: see in her eyes that she feels like she's on

615
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Speaker 4: the precipice of getting sucked into this, the abyss of this,

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Speaker 4: of this system, of which she may never emerge.

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Speaker 1: My question to you was going to be so WhatsApp,

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Speaker 1: for example, they brag about anten encryption and all that.

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Speaker 3: So how do the Israelis even have visibility into this?

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Speaker 3: Is it? Is it like cooperation with meta they own?

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Speaker 4: No, I would I would work well if it's if

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Speaker 4: it's your WhatsApp status's public, right, Yeah, So a lot

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Speaker 4: of this is a lot of this is public, and

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Speaker 4: a lot of these WhatsApp groups, you know they're public.

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Speaker 4: You'd have you know, like a public people sort of

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Speaker 4: like a public Facebook page. So I think, as far

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Speaker 4: as we understand, if you're doing encrypted messages back and forth,

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Speaker 4: you might be okay, but you might Pegasus might be

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Speaker 4: able to get into your WhatsApp messages as well, like

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Speaker 4: it's not, as far as we understand, signal is stronger

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Speaker 4: than Facebook because then you know, Facebook goings WhatsApp because

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Speaker 4: of some of the backdoors that are available to what's app.

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Speaker 4: But in general, we're talking about just public stuff like

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Speaker 4: putting on. There was there was a case of somebody

635
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Speaker 4: who said something like there is no God but God

636
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Speaker 4: was arrested and interrogated and and said, my aunt just died.

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Speaker 4: That all that had nothing to do with the war. Well,

638
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Speaker 4: and they made the person produce there is no God,

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Speaker 4: but yeah, they made they made the person. They made

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Speaker 4: the person produce the death certificate. And when a produce

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Speaker 4: a dance death certificate, they're like, okay, fine, but make

642
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Speaker 4: sure you better not be grieving about anybody in Gaza.

643
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Speaker 4: If we find out that you're grieving about anybody in Gaza,

644
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Speaker 4: we're coming back.

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Speaker 3: That's pretty crazy, all right.

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Speaker 1: So there's a lot of stuff going on inside of that.

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Speaker 1: And you also, you guys wrote this up over at

648
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Speaker 1: the intercept. You can break this out. I know a

649
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Speaker 1: lot of our viewers actually will be interested in this.

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Speaker 1: The Anti Defamation League, the ADL, has now mapped Jewish

651
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Speaker 1: peace rallies with quote anti Semitic attacks. So this is

652
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Speaker 1: almost too much of a parody, but give us the details, Ryan.

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Speaker 4: This is the kind of the logical, kind of endpoint

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Speaker 4: of what you were seeing over the last several weeks

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Speaker 4: of all of these different commentators posting images of you know,

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Speaker 4: one hundred two hundred thousand people marching in London or

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Speaker 4: New York City and saying, you know, look at all

658
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Speaker 4: of these anti Semites.

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Speaker 3: I fear for myself.

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Speaker 4: But that's but the actual marches are saying we want

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Speaker 4: to cease fire in the war. Like it's it's not

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Speaker 4: a it's an anti Semitic march. It is an anti

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Speaker 4: Israel war march. And so it makes sense that then

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Speaker 4: the Anti DeafNation League, which has been pushing for a

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Speaker 4: long time to say that criticism of Israel is the

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Speaker 4: same thing as anti Semitism, for them to say, all right,

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Speaker 4: if you attend one of these marches, that's a hate

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Speaker 4: march and you're anti Semitic, and you're going on you're

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Speaker 4: going on the list.

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Speaker 3: So even if you're Jewish, it's not even if Semitic, especially.

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Speaker 4: Ok oh, okay, especially then because that's more of a threat.

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Speaker 1: So they say, well, the ADL told the intercepted does

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Speaker 1: not consider Ceespire protests anti Semitic, just anti Israel. It's

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Speaker 1: CEO Jonathan Greenblad has now said otherwise. After thousands of

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Speaker 1: Jews called for a ceasefire, ADL DC released a statement

676
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Speaker 1: equating anti Zionism with anti Semitism. Greenback piled on, calling

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Speaker 1: the groups that organized the protest Jewish Voice for Peace

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Speaker 1: hate groups. Roughly five hundred Jews, including twenty five rabbis,

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Speaker 1: were then arrested at that Capital protest. It is important

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Speaker 1: to note these are radical, fringe Jewish organization and being

681
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Speaker 1: Jewish does not exempt an organization or a person from

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Speaker 1: being anti Semitic.

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Speaker 4: So basically, so basically imagine that that ideology is in

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Speaker 4: power in Israel. Yes, because here we can be like

685
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Speaker 4: John green Blatt going, you know, doing his thing where

686
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Speaker 4: he you know, he's calling.

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Speaker 3: He can say whatever.

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Speaker 1: It could be annoying because you could sub tweet it

689
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Speaker 1: or something like that lead to a boycott or something.

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Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, like we're not

691
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Speaker 3: going to like, you know, go to jail for it.

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Speaker 4: But if in Israel you and I you know, might

693
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Speaker 4: you know be facing cops on the other side of

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Speaker 4: the door, and you'd be.

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Speaker 3: Like, no, it was him.

696
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Speaker 4: He's a guy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I've almost made They would review it.

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Speaker 4: They'd be like, how did you respond when he said

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Speaker 4: that thing?

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Speaker 1: Interesting, Well, they can roll the tape, they could go

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Speaker 1: ahead and they could see how it is. So that's

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Speaker 1: that was an important thing that we wanted to highlight

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Speaker 1: for everybody. Just a couple of different fragments I think to,

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Speaker 1: you know, tie a blow on this for inside of

705
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Speaker 1: Israeli society. Like number one is that Netanyahu himself has

706
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Speaker 1: a direct interest in drawing this thing out as long

707
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Speaker 1: as possible. Too, that his coalition, the people who are

708
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Speaker 1: in charge, actively are kind of pushing him to a

709
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Speaker 1: position where he has to defend some of the most

710
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Speaker 1: indefensible actions. And at the same time, it's like, you know,

711
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 1: like a datante between the two of them, because they're like, hey,

712
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 1: maybe you get to stay in power, but you have

713
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Speaker 1: to defend everything that we do and otherwise we won't

714
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Speaker 1: be asking questions about October seven. And the cover of

715
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Speaker 1: all of that is the crackdown inside of Israeli society.

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Speaker 4: And underlying all this, for the people who have been

717
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 4: following along is he's been facing all of these corruption

718
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 4: charges that he can get out of as long as

719
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Speaker 4: he's in office. Yes, so the entire world is held hostage.

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Speaker 4: I've wondered if they could just come up with a

721
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Speaker 4: deal and be like, it's fine, you're not I prosecute

722
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Speaker 4: you and your wife for these corruption charges.

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Speaker 3: I have said this before.

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Speaker 1: I genuinely think he's a villainous figure no matter what

725
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,240
Speaker 1: is actually especially if you support the state of Israel.

726
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 1: I think the most patriotic thing you can do is

727
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:53,800
Speaker 1: if you're a controversial person and you know, we should

728
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,360
Speaker 1: look to British history for things like this. Chamberlain like,

729
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:58,399
Speaker 1: whenever he knew he was going to lose a vote

730
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Speaker 1: of no confidence, he didn't want to leave. He was like, okay,

731
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Speaker 1: I'm out. The public will and support me form a

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Speaker 1: coalition government.

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Speaker 3: I'm done. And a lot of people have had to

734
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Speaker 3: make that choice in the past. It's brutal. It's not

735
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Speaker 3: like history treated him all that well.

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Speaker 1: He died of cancer very shortly afterwards, and he's probably

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Speaker 1: still considered Chamberlain. Yeah, he's like one of the worst

738
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Speaker 1: pms in British history, and yet he did the honorable

739
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 1: thing at the time there was a I forget I

740
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 1: think it was hh Asquith. Same thing in the middle

741
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 1: of World War One. He lost power and he said, okay,

742
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Speaker 1: I'm done, and he had to turn over power to

743
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Speaker 1: somebody who we genuinely hated. That's how it goes sometimes

744
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 1: whenever you're actually a patriot. Herbert Hoover, he certainly didn't

745
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 1: want to turn things over to FDR, but he did.

746
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Speaker 1: It's just one of those where people, if you really

747
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 1: support the country, you should be able to put yourself

748
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Speaker 1: past it.

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Speaker 3: You should put the country above you and your own

750
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Speaker 3: personal interest.

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Speaker 1: And unfortunately, Nea I was chosen not to make that decision.

752
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Speaker 1: I genuinely think it may be one of the worst

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Speaker 1: things that's happened to Israel as a result of this,

754
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:56,879
Speaker 1: and has guided so many of their worst decisions, which

755
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Speaker 1: will remain perilous. I think in the many years to come,

756
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Speaker 1: it'll fall out. Okay, move on to the next part.

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Speaker 1: We're going to talk about Xijingping and President Biden, arguably,

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Speaker 1: as I said, the most important meeting in the entire world.

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Speaker 1: So let's go and put this up there on the screen,

760
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Speaker 1: just a preview everyone for what exactly is happening. Well,

761
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Speaker 1: there's actually a lot going on behind the scenes, Ryan

762
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 1: where the APEC meeting, which is obviously the Asian Pacific

763
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Speaker 1: Cooperation Organization, they're all coming together. There's eighteen different nations,

764
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Speaker 1: but the two figures that everybody wants to see are

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Speaker 1: Biden and She. And the biggest thing that is actually

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Speaker 1: dividing the Biden administration in the Chinese right now is

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Speaker 1: the lack of military to military communication. These were really

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Speaker 1: important channels that happen for deconfliction purposes with all the

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Speaker 1: US forces not only in the South China see but

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Speaker 1: all across the Asia Pacific.

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Speaker 3: And it really basically amounts to.

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Speaker 1: They're like, hey, we're gonna do an exercise over here,

773
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Speaker 1: so don't shoot at us. It sounds stupid, but this

774
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 1: is very basic but important military to military stuff that's

775
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 1: supposed to go beyond the diplomacy and just make sure

776
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Speaker 1: no accidents.

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00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 3: They had cut off that channel after.

778
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Speaker 1: The shooting down of the Chinese spy balloon back in February,

779
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Speaker 1: so they have resumed some of that. The other thing

780
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Speaker 1: that's going to happen is that at the APEC conference,

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00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 1: and it actually stands for Asia Pacific Economic Cooperation I

782
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 1: apologize for missaying it earlier. The point though, is that

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Speaker 1: the economic piece of this is actually really key. There

784
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 1: was a presumption that some trade agreements and other things

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Speaker 1: may be announced that doesn't yet appear to have materialized

786
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Speaker 1: into anything formal. Of course, there's going to be a

787
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 1: lot of discussion around Taiwan. But the big thing that

788
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:46,879
Speaker 1: overlays all of this is that China is probably coming

789
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Speaker 1: into this position both in the weakest economic picture that

790
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: they've ever had and also the strongest military. So they

791
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Speaker 1: have the strongest military that they've ever had, and they've

792
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Speaker 1: got all these ambitions, they have all these things that

793
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Speaker 1: they want, and then at the same time, the Chinese

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Speaker 1: dream and all that people had been talking about for

795
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 1: over twenty years now that kind of belies the every

796
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Speaker 1: US China.

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00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 3: Meeting that's not the same.

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Speaker 1: You know, China's economic slump right now is probably one

799
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Speaker 1: of the biggest news. They have a huge real estate bubble,

800
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: their overall consumption and economy is really hurting. Zero COVID

801
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 1: really hurt them badly. They've had problems restarting manufacturing. They

802
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,799
Speaker 1: have real energy problems as well. Cole and even they

803
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 1: had rolling blackouts for time across the country kind of

804
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Speaker 1: shook the foundation of the CCP's control over it. And

805
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:32,799
Speaker 1: then at the same time you've got she who is

806
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Speaker 1: probably the most dictatorial Chinese premier since Malagay Dong. And

807
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:40,359
Speaker 1: combining all of that, you have this meeting between these

808
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Speaker 1: two great superpowers and their leaders and how long it's

809
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Speaker 1: going to be. What are exactly are they going to know?

810
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Speaker 1: Can they accomplish anything. There's been a lot of pre

811
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Speaker 1: work and all of that behind the scenes, but I'm

812
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Speaker 1: curious if you want to flag anything in particularly they're

813
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Speaker 1: gonna get it.

814
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Speaker 4: It feels to me like they're going through a period

815
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Speaker 4: similar to ours. You know, we had the mid post

816
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Speaker 4: World War two era up through up through the seventies.

817
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 4: Every generation I felt like the next generation was going

818
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 4: to do better, like that was the and you can

819
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 4: even run it back before with the blip and the

820
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Speaker 4: depression that kind of.

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Speaker 3: Produced the American dream. To go back to your point

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Speaker 3: about the Chinese dream.

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Speaker 4: Yes, that was the thing that allowed so many people

824
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Speaker 4: to accept a lot of the indignities that come with

825
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:26,359
Speaker 4: contemporary life that Okay, this sucks, but things are better

826
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Speaker 4: for me than they were for my parents, And I'm

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Speaker 4: going to make them better for my kids than they

828
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Speaker 4: were for yours. And what we learned in the between

829
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Speaker 4: the nineteen eighties and the financial crisis of two thousand

830
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 4: and eight is that when you pull that rug out

831
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Speaker 4: from under people, the indignities that they're suffering start to

832
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Speaker 4: sting a lot more and they start to get pretty frustrated.

833
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Speaker 4: And you saw this populist anger that was channeled to

834
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Speaker 4: the right as a result of all that. And I

835
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Speaker 4: think you just have to be seeing some of that

836
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Speaker 4: in China at the same time, because you're finally seeing

837
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Speaker 4: every generation felt like their children were going to do

838
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Speaker 4: better because they you know, the CCP too, it's great

839
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Speaker 4: cred has overseen the greatest, you know, collapse in poverty.

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Speaker 1: Right Well, I think America's trade are going to I

841
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Speaker 1: think America's trade policies had a lot more to do

842
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Speaker 1: with that than the CCP. But I mean, I guess

843
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Speaker 1: you can't you can't blame them for taking advantage of

844
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Speaker 1: stupid people.

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Speaker 3: I mean, we did trade.

846
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Speaker 4: We did trade policies in South and Central America, we

847
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Speaker 4: did trade policies in Africa, we did trade policies in Vietnam.

848
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Speaker 4: And it's China that's like, you know, kicking everybody's but they.

849
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Speaker 1: Were, they were the best equipped to take advantage of

850
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Speaker 1: US stupidity. The thing that I would really say is

851
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Speaker 1: the economic peace to this is pretty much baked in

852
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Speaker 1: at this point.

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Speaker 3: This is when you can't deny with Trump.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the trade war is probably the single most

855
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Speaker 1: bipartisan accomplishment that he had. He destroyed at least the

856
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Speaker 1: public trade consensus. Behind the scenes, there's many Republicans and

857
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Speaker 1: Democrats who want to return, but.

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Speaker 3: There's no there's no announcement coming in this meeting.

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Speaker 1: Of oh, we're going to get rid of the three

860
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Speaker 1: one tariffs, the national security tariffs. There's no way that

861
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Speaker 1: even Biden, you know, could try and do something like that.

862
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:07,439
Speaker 1: At best, they could only try and you know, bring

863
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Speaker 1: back TPP through another name. But even from what we've

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Speaker 1: seen so far, that's not really what's going to happen.

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Speaker 1: I think Taiwan and the military is going to dominate

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Speaker 1: probably the entire conversation. Which is why it's interesting because

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Speaker 1: the other thing that's been rarely rankling the Chinese is

868
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Speaker 1: that our relations with China have basically had nothing to

869
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Speaker 1: do with China.

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Speaker 3: Recently.

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Speaker 1: Everything has been about Oh, China's supporting Russia in Ukraine.

872
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 1: Oh China refuses to condemn what's going on in Gaza,

873
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 1: And it's like, well, okay, but maybe we should just

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Speaker 1: talk about, like, you know, US and China, which has

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00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 1: to do with Asia and our largest trading partner outside

876
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 1: of Canada and Mexico, and how are we going to

877
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 1: figure this out? And what you know, what are our

878
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 1: actual redlines in the region, and is cooperation even possible?

879
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 3: What can you know?

880
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 1: All these things look like it's but my biggest critique

881
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,919
Speaker 1: of the Biden administration's foreign policy is that they refuse

882
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 1: to conduct foreign policy honest for US interests and in

883
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 1: whichever country that we're dealing with. You know, our relations

884
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 1: with India really took a massive beating over Ukraine because

885
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 1: they continue to buy Russian oil. And it's like, what

886
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 1: the hell does it have to do with US and

887
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 1: India relations. This is the largest now population on planet Earth.

888
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 1: Maybe we should just talk about what the two of

889
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:21,399
Speaker 1: us have in common. And so with China, I think

890
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 1: very much so it's been to their benefit. Actually, the

891
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:27,280
Speaker 1: more that US relations and everything is distracted on Gaza

892
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,439
Speaker 1: and on Ukraine, the less time you're spending on Taiwan, which,

893
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:32,799
Speaker 1: by the way, is a country that actually matters to

894
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:35,439
Speaker 1: the US economy. I believe it's number six in terms

895
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 1: of our global trading partner and arguably, you know, in

896
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:39,919
Speaker 1: terms of high tech and all that the single most

897
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 1: important trading partner that the United States have. So that's

898
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 1: going to be interesting. Also behind the scenes, just wanted

899
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: to preview for everybody what she actually says in Chinese.

900
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 1: Whenever he thinks that we're not listening, let's go and

901
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 1: put this up there on the screen. They point out,

902
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 1: you know, behind public assurances, Shei Chingping has spread quote

903
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 1: grim views of the US speeches by the Chinese leaders

904
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 1: show how he was bracing for intensifying rivalry with the

905
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 1: United States from very early on in his rule. And

906
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 1: who wants to guess, Ryan, who the chief cheerleader for

907
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 1: relations with g will be fine and actually he's a

908
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 1: cool guy and we can get along.

909
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 3: Joe Biden. Biden, I remember this.

910
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:21,280
Speaker 1: I remember the very last speech he gave as vice president,

911
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 1: the last policy speech, and he still uses it to

912
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 1: this day, although it's less cogent and he's like, you know,

913
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:29,840
Speaker 1: nobody has spent more time with Shi Shinping than me.

914
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 1: I've sat across the table from him, you know, I've

915
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 1: looked him in the eye and all this stuff. This

916
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 1: is a man you can work with. And that was

917
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 1: the line for so many years from Biden. Obviously that

918
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 1: is ludicrous on its face, but I still think he

919
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 1: does cling to that vision of a you know before times,

920
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 1: of pre Trump times that the Chinese desperately want to

921
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 1: return to.

922
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 3: So, as we said, there's just a lot going. There's

923
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:54,840
Speaker 3: a lot headed into this meeting.

924
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 1: You know, there's, of course there's gonna be ramifications on Ukraine,

925
00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 1: There's gonna be ramifications on Goza and all of that.

926
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 1: But the single question is like, how are we going

927
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,319
Speaker 1: to conduct relations between our two states? What is our

928
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 1: military red lines and others? What is going to be

929
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 1: communicated by President Biden directly to she's face, And how

930
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 1: the hell can we even continue to trade and coexist

931
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 1: in this world as we move forward?

932
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Speaker 4: And what she has said, you know, semi privately, And

933
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,319
Speaker 4: it's funny what counts We're so out of the loop

934
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 4: when it comes to China that it's funny what counts

935
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Speaker 4: as private because it's like the speech is given to

936
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 4: you know, millions of y sometimes even millions, but it

937
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 4: gives them been Chinese, so they're secret of One of

938
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Speaker 4: his themes is that he does not trust the United

939
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Speaker 4: States because he thinks the United States is trying to

940
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 4: undermine other powers throughout the world.

941
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Speaker 3: That he believes, as The.

942
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 4: Times puts it, he agrees with putin on that the

943
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 4: US likes to orchestrate quote unquote color revolutions around the world.

944
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 4: And one reason that he believes that is because we

945
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:55,839
Speaker 4: do like to do that. And it also puts into

946
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Speaker 4: context the kind of weaker genocide, the cultural genocide carried

947
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 4: out in the western part of China. You know, he

948
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:09,240
Speaker 4: suspected and not completely unfairly, that the US is constantly

949
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 4: playing games in that region that is constantly fueling Like

950
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:14,720
Speaker 4: one thing that we do is we like to fuel

951
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 4: little Kiny insurgency, is to destabilize our rivals, just to

952
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 4: destabilize them, and we that's been one of our tricks

953
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 4: that we that's one of the been one of the

954
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:29,280
Speaker 4: cars that we've played for decades. And so he sees

955
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 4: that and he's like, you know what, just gonna no

956
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 4: such thing as we ors anymore.

957
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 1: This is my thing with China is. I just think

958
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:37,880
Speaker 1: that the best thing that they've got against us is

959
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, you guys talk about Demi And I've had,

960
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:42,280
Speaker 1: you know, one of my old professors in graduate school,

961
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 1: this guy spent a lot of time in Taiwan. He

962
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:46,800
Speaker 1: was even I won't go into much of his background

963
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 1: because I'm not sure exactly whether it's classified or not,

964
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 1: but the point is that he spent a lot of

965
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:55,280
Speaker 1: time across the table from very very senior people in China,

966
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 1: and we would ask him about it and he was like,

967
00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:59,839
Speaker 1: you know, it really hit home to me how big

968
00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:02,360
Speaker 1: of mistake Iraq was because we would say, hey, you

969
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 1: guys should let up on free speech, and he said.

970
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 3: How much free speech do they have in Iraq?

971
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:08,359
Speaker 1: And then we would say you know, oh, you guys

972
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 1: should do this, and they're like, well, we don't want

973
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 1: to hear about democracy promotion from the people who took

974
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 1: over Iraq. And then we would be like, hey, can

975
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:18,320
Speaker 1: you get Kim Jong un to relax? And they would say, well,

976
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:21,279
Speaker 1: you know, you guys, he's not going to listen to

977
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 1: you because you killed Saddam Hussein and Kadafi and it

978
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 1: was the regurgitation from their point the Kadafi thing was

979
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:28,840
Speaker 1: a massive.

980
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 4: Because he gave up his exact weapons, and that's what

981
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 4: they bring that up.

982
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 3: He's like, why would we trust you?

983
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,319
Speaker 1: You took him, You literally bombed him, and he had

984
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 1: a rod shoved up his ass because he gave up

985
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:38,839
Speaker 1: his nukes.

986
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:40,279
Speaker 3: He's like, you think we're going to give up our nukes?

987
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:42,439
Speaker 1: You think we're even going to take you seriously after

988
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 1: you've done something like that. Never And they literally laugh

989
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 1: at America's face. And part of the thing is is

990
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:51,439
Speaker 1: and I've always advocated for on the show. Everybody knows

991
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:55,360
Speaker 1: I'm basically like a realist and that is a pejorative

992
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:57,399
Speaker 1: term in many cases, but I mean it in terms

993
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 1: of like the international relations case of Look, it's like China,

994
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 1: you're our biggest trading partner. Taiwan is the single most

995
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 1: probably important country outside of Canada and Mexico to the

996
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 1: US economy. That's why we care about it. Nobody cares

997
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:13,400
Speaker 1: about democracy. We have a lot of non democratic allies

998
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 1: all across the world. What are we doing here? Like,

999
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:19,320
Speaker 1: and you you're threatening our allies South Korea and Japan

1000
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 1: to vital countries through the US economy under the US

1001
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 1: nuclear umbrella with tens of thousands of American troops that

1002
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 1: are there, and deep cultural and economic ties between us.

1003
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 3: They deeply matter to us. They can't stand you. You

1004
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 3: want to take them over.

1005
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 1: You have all hated each other for the last two

1006
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 1: thousand years, and we're finding ourselves in the middle.

1007
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 7: List.

1008
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 1: When you talk like that, I think we can all

1009
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 1: be honest, you know that, then we can really just

1010
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 1: we can actually say like, here's why we care, here's

1011
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 1: what we want, and all that. But for decades, you know,

1012
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 1: American foreign policy has been all about you know, like

1013
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 1: even trade liberalization with China. It was never honest that

1014
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 1: it would just make big business and corporations rich. They're like, oh,

1015
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 1: we're going to make sure that you know that we're

1016
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 1: going to have a thriving middle class in China that

1017
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 1: believes in democracy, and then the opposite happened.

1018
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 3: It's just been ridiculous.

1019
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 6: You know.

1020
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 1: The net effect has actually been importing Chinese autocracy to America,

1021
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 1: where big business hears about what the CCP thinks as

1022
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 1: opposed to a more democratic China.

1023
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 3: It's just been a ridiculous policy, I think.

1024
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 4: And that's before you even get to our like number

1025
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:15,800
Speaker 4: one body the Kingdom of Saudi.

1026
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 3: Ira exactly literal kingdom. They know.

1027
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 1: That's why they laugh at us, and honestly they should

1028
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:23,800
Speaker 1: laugh whenever people are so naive to talk this way.

1029
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:27,839
Speaker 3: Belying all of this.

1030
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:31,399
Speaker 1: The APEC conference being held in the city of San

1031
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 1: Francisco is a sudden and miraculous cleanup that has happened

1032
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 1: across the city, where many people have asked, hey, this

1033
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 1: has been you know, let's all be honest.

1034
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 3: I love San Francisco.

1035
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 1: Nobody loves California more than I do, even just as

1036
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 1: a visitor.

1037
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 3: I think he is the most beautiful state in the country.

1038
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 1: Barnunn that said, let's be real about San Francisco, Los

1039
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 1: Angeles and the level of just like street crime and

1040
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:03,399
Speaker 1: just like public disarray, use fent and all homelessness, et cetera,

1041
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 1: public defecation, et cetera.

1042
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:06,319
Speaker 3: It's not a fun place to live.

1043
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:08,840
Speaker 4: I am curious for people in the comments section.

1044
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, can they clean up the smell?

1045
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 8: Like?

1046
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:12,799
Speaker 4: I know they can clean everything up, all right, A

1047
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:16,319
Speaker 4: lot of San Francisco stinks, all right, Californians know, but

1048
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 4: the point still smelling.

1049
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 1: Pe Somebody ask Alf Gaven Newson, like, hey, are you

1050
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 1: only cleaning this up because the president or the premiere

1051
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:25,920
Speaker 1: of China is coming. And he was like, yeah, actually,

1052
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 1: I'm really not making this up. Take a listen to

1053
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:28,399
Speaker 1: what he said.

1054
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:31,920
Speaker 2: Anytime you put on an event, by definition, you know,

1055
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:34,399
Speaker 2: you have people over your house, you're going to clean

1056
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:36,319
Speaker 2: up the house. You have twenty one the world leaders,

1057
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:38,399
Speaker 2: you got tens of thousands of people coming from all

1058
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:42,320
Speaker 2: around the globe. What an opportunity is showcase the world's

1059
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 2: most extraordinary place.

1060
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 3: San Francisco.

1061
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:47,959
Speaker 8: Folks say, oh, they're just cleaning up this place because

1062
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:51,760
Speaker 8: all those fancy leaders are coming into town. That's true,

1063
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 8: because it's true, But it's also true for months and

1064
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 8: months and months prior to APEC have in different conversations

1065
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:02,320
Speaker 8: that's true.

1066
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:06,759
Speaker 3: Because true, that's true. You can't make this up.

1067
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 1: And I actually thought Peter Doucy over at Fox asked

1068
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:11,719
Speaker 1: the White House a great question, and he was like, Hey,

1069
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 1: why does does the president care more about what she

1070
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 1: shinpin things of San Francisco than people who live in

1071
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:20,400
Speaker 1: San Francisco. And they're like, oh, we just totally rejected

1072
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 1: the premise of your question and all of that, and

1073
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:24,759
Speaker 1: to a certain extent, you know, with the cold Gavin K.

1074
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Speaker 3: Newsome thing.

1075
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 1: It's not that they don't have a point Ryan that cities,

1076
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:32,720
Speaker 1: you know, you shouldn't spruce something up nicer whenever somebody's visiting.

1077
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 1: But I think that the drastic comparison from where things

1078
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 1: were to how things are today is why a lot

1079
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 1: of people who live in these cities are pissed off

1080
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 1: about it, because they're like, wait, so you could have

1081
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:47,240
Speaker 1: done this the entire time. It's just that we lost

1082
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:50,799
Speaker 1: what net three hundred thousand people from our state, that

1083
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 1: we've had mass property crime that you know, so many

1084
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:55,879
Speaker 1: people I know in San Francisco they had to leave,

1085
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:58,279
Speaker 1: including people in my own family, just because they straight

1086
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:01,400
Speaker 1: up didn't feel safe, just like the very basics of

1087
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:04,800
Speaker 1: their day to day life. And that actually really comes

1088
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:07,400
Speaker 1: through in a local news report from San Francisco with

1089
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 1: some residents and interviews.

1090
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Speaker 3: Let's take a listen to that.

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Speaker 9: While San Francisco is in the spotlight for the Asia

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00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:16,720
Speaker 9: Pacific Economic Conference, city leaders are making sure the city shines.

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00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 10: Tourism is our business here in San Francisco, and we

1094
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:22,840
Speaker 10: need to focus on making sure that the tourist dollars

1095
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 10: still come back.

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00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 9: Caltrans repaving major roadways like the Harrison Street off ramp

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00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 9: from the I eighty bart doubling down by deep cleaning

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00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 9: their stations overnight.

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00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 10: More often the city had gotten a little bit dingy

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00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:36,879
Speaker 10: over time.

1101
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 9: Scrubbing and powerwashing is happening all over the city.

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00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, the bottom of shoes look clean.

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00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 9: It's noticeable how clear the streets look, and how few

1104
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 9: homeless encampments there are on major thoroughfares.

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00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 4: Having been a long time resident in the BA area,

1106
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 4: you just naturally starting to wonder if like houseless folks

1107
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 4: being displaced.

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00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 9: Public Works is installing decorative crosswalks in North Beach and Chinatown,

1109
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 9: and the Webster Street pedestrian bridge and Japantown was recently

1110
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 9: repainted the year of Buenna. Gardens at the Moscone Center

1111
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:09,759
Speaker 9: are decked out with new colorful landscaping and murals, paid

1112
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 9: for by the Clean California Grant, just in time for

1113
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 9: the twenty thousand high profile CEOs and heads of state

1114
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 9: coming into town next week.

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Speaker 1: Must be nice. It looks like a beautiful city, doesn't it.

1116
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 1: Not the one I remember though from the last couple

1117
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 1: of years.

1118
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:26,719
Speaker 4: Seok, it looks clean, but once the company leaves, you

1119
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 4: look under the bed, you open the closet, all the

1120
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:32,880
Speaker 4: crap poores out. You didn't really clean it, you just

1121
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:33,959
Speaker 4: shoveled everything away.

1122
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I asked, But then my question was like, well,

1123
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:36,800
Speaker 3: what the hell happened?

1124
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 1: And then also my big one is the city and

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00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 1: Gaven News And this is where I really want to

1126
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 1: talk to you about the city and gavenusome. And this

1127
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 1: really extends to what we're going to about to talk

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00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:48,439
Speaker 1: about next about the ien in California or in Los

1129
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 1: Angeles is have claimed now for years, they're like, we

1130
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:54,479
Speaker 1: can't do anything about this. The Ninth Circuit has tied

1131
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 1: our hands. We're not allowed to clean up homeless encampments

1132
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:00,879
Speaker 1: because of this specific judicial w Well, how what that's

1133
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 1: not congruent with the fact that they just did it,

1134
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 1: So they either just violated federal law or they were

1135
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:09,799
Speaker 1: lying the entire time. I'm gonna come down on lying

1136
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:11,880
Speaker 1: because I don't see any lawsuits or any of that

1137
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:15,440
Speaker 1: going on, or injunctions being passed down by federal judges.

1138
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:18,799
Speaker 1: So then it's a question of, well, what was the

1139
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 1: democratic impulse to do this when it's very clear that

1140
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:25,720
Speaker 1: the vast majority of people in these cities, from business

1141
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 1: leaders to all the way down to residents have been

1142
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 1: screaming and crying about this now for probably a decade

1143
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 1: at least in the case of San Francisco, but especially

1144
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 1: in the last three years. And it takes freaking shishing

1145
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 1: ping and leaders from Japan to come here before we

1146
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 1: actually do anything about it.

1147
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:42,759
Speaker 3: That's outrageous to me.

1148
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 4: Also, they'll still find it to be filthy.

1149
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, of course, you're right, especially if you're coming

1150
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 1: from Japan. What the hell is sing later on the

1151
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:51,400
Speaker 1: road you call this?

1152
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:53,840
Speaker 3: Clean this up for us? Like, what are you talking about?

1153
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:54,759
Speaker 3: We spent last month.

1154
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:57,920
Speaker 4: But it's possible they had some type of informal budget

1155
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:00,879
Speaker 4: for lawsuits, so it's you know, it may be that,

1156
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 4: you know, once in a while you're like, you know what,

1157
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:04,920
Speaker 4: we're just going to break the law and we're going

1158
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:07,840
Speaker 4: to let these people so us and we'll figure it

1159
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 4: out after company leaves.

1160
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 1: I just think it's one of those where the local

1161
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 1: people in San Francisco should really be demanding answers on that, because,

1162
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 1: like I said, I mean, and I actually, I'll be honest,

1163
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 1: I believed some of the leaders. I'm not saying that

1164
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 1: they weren't doing enough, but they were like, there truly is.

1165
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 3: Nothing we can do about the homeless encampments, and I

1166
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:24,080
Speaker 3: was like wow.

1167
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:25,759
Speaker 1: And so I was reading about it and seeing this

1168
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 1: Ninth Circuit ruling, and it all relates back to the

1169
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:31,239
Speaker 1: idea that you could it's a violation or to clean

1170
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:34,359
Speaker 1: up homeless encampments and all that about displacement has to

1171
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 1: do with shelter rights in the California state law as well.

1172
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:40,360
Speaker 1: And it genuinely did seem like a Gordon not that

1173
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 1: was completely unable to be untied. But then they actually

1174
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 1: did it, and you're like, well, wait a second here,

1175
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 1: I don't really understand how that's even possible because that

1176
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 1: completely flies in the face not only that, but the

1177
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 1: city of Public with the public works aspect to all

1178
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:59,919
Speaker 1: of that, with the pedestrian walkways and all these other things.

1179
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 3: It's the same question of like, well, why was this

1180
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 3: not done.

1181
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:06,839
Speaker 1: Previously as part of a post COVID vitalization, Like don't

1182
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:07,840
Speaker 1: you want to make money?

1183
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 3: Do you want people to stop leaving?

1184
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 1: There's a you know, a lot of viral posts about

1185
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:13,799
Speaker 1: San Francisco, but on some of the saddest ones are

1186
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 1: like here's a condo that somebody bought in twenty nineteen

1187
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:19,359
Speaker 1: for one point five million, and they're selling it for

1188
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:22,319
Speaker 1: seven hundred and twenty six thousand. I mean, yeah, it's

1189
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:25,279
Speaker 1: funny at a certain point, but it's also like, hey,

1190
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 1: that's somebody out there who's out seven hundred grand and

1191
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:32,719
Speaker 1: it's probably upside down on their mortgage and near the deal,

1192
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 1: you know, near bankruptcy.

1193
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 3: That's actually not funny at all.

1194
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:37,319
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of people who are like that,

1195
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 1: you know, probably middle class folks who are on the

1196
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:42,719
Speaker 1: outskirts or are dependent on that for jobs. So it's

1197
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 1: not always just the big tech people who are paying

1198
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 1: the price. And look, I mean, I'm only saying this

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Speaker 1: because out of love, truly. I'm not just one of

1200
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:51,400
Speaker 1: those people from Kansas who's like, screw San Francisco who's

1201
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 1: never even been. I love that city. I think it's

1202
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:55,920
Speaker 1: awesome and all of these places. So it's a it's

1203
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:58,560
Speaker 1: a tragedy in my opinion that it took so long.

1204
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:00,840
Speaker 1: The real question is like how long is it going

1205
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:03,239
Speaker 1: to stay and will they return back to their old

1206
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:06,399
Speaker 1: ways or not. This relates very much to our next

1207
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:09,719
Speaker 1: block here about public safety. This is a one I'm

1208
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:11,320
Speaker 1: really excited to talk about with Ryan. We're going to

1209
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 1: start with the actual news first, though, which is that

1210
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 1: the I ten, a major part of the highway in

1211
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:22,040
Speaker 1: the city of Los Angeles, specifically around town downtown, was

1212
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 1: actually caught fire and has now been shut down for

1213
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 1: an indefinite period of time as they resume construction and

1214
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:32,839
Speaker 1: they have to rebuild critical parts of it. Let's take

1215
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:34,279
Speaker 1: a listen to some of the news from there.

1216
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:37,680
Speaker 5: I started early yesterday morning in an industrial area near

1217
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 5: fourteenth Street in Alameda, so intense that melted fences and

1218
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:43,719
Speaker 5: guardrails along the ten freeway and caused chunks of concrete

1219
00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:46,600
Speaker 5: on the freeway's columns to break away. Two fire trucks

1220
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 5: were damaged, and cars, palettes, shipping containers, and more, and

1221
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 5: the storage yards burned. Took more than one hundred and

1222
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 5: sixty firefighters hours to dost the flames. Crews were monitoring

1223
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 5: hotspots into yesterday evening. There was a homeless encampment underneath

1224
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:01,239
Speaker 5: the freeway that sent me people running for safety when

1225
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 5: the fire broke out. Fortunately, no one was hurt, and

1226
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:06,880
Speaker 5: the city is helping those that lost their belongings and

1227
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 5: who made shelter. As for the cause of the fire

1228
00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 5: that is still under investigation.

1229
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:13,240
Speaker 1: So let's go and put this up there on the screen.

1230
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:15,640
Speaker 1: This is really no joke about what's happened. Part of

1231
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:17,720
Speaker 1: the reason we wanted to cover it is that California

1232
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 1: news is very often criminally ignored here in Washington. And

1233
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 1: the thing is ryan is that three hundred thousand people

1234
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 1: take this road or this section of the road every

1235
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 1: single day, and now it's going to be shut down

1236
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:34,600
Speaker 1: for an indefinite period of time. And not only that,

1237
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:37,440
Speaker 1: it is going to snarl traffic in a place that

1238
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 1: is famously how shall we say, some of the worst

1239
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:44,720
Speaker 1: traffic in the entire country. So I can't even imagine

1240
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 1: what that is going to look like. They are talking

1241
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 1: about how various different parts of Los.

1242
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 3: Angeles the one oh one.

1243
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 1: And by the way, I don't live in Los Angeles,

1244
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 1: so if I'm saying anything incorrectly, please forget me.

1245
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:55,800
Speaker 3: I'm doing you people with favor.

1246
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 1: State Route sixty two hundred thousand vehicles a day will

1247
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 1: be added one will have one hundred and nine thousand

1248
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 1: vehicles per day added, and the closed section currently averages

1249
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:08,440
Speaker 1: two hundred ninety two thousand. So an additional between intertain

1250
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:10,840
Speaker 1: five State Route sixty and US one oh one is

1251
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 1: going to have to pick up a significant chunk of

1252
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 1: the number of cars that usually move through this heavily

1253
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:19,440
Speaker 1: clogged highway. The reason why I think it kind of

1254
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:22,040
Speaker 1: fit with this is that there's a ton a ton

1255
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 1: of speculation Ryan that some of the fire, which they

1256
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:29,520
Speaker 1: claim is arson. However, I'm not exactly sure what the

1257
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:33,400
Speaker 1: technicalities behind that are might have been sparked because of

1258
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:37,320
Speaker 1: this homeless encampment that was beneath it. Homeless encampment fires

1259
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:41,600
Speaker 1: have been a huge problem all across Oregon and Los Angeles,

1260
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 1: in particular where homeless encampments are I know, Dud, I

1261
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:47,400
Speaker 1: think it's more than a dozen fires in California just

1262
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:49,760
Speaker 1: in the last two years that have occurred largely as

1263
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 1: a result of like propaid tanks, other unused safe, unsafe

1264
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 1: use of grills and other things in the area. So

1265
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:00,280
Speaker 1: I'm curious what you think about this. You know, in

1266
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 1: the context of now that there's a major fire that's

1267
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:06,120
Speaker 1: broken out declared a state of emergency, they're discombined with

1268
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:08,560
Speaker 1: the whole San Francisco thing, could actually, I think, kind

1269
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:10,280
Speaker 1: of change California politics in a way.

1270
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:12,200
Speaker 3: They think about these issues it.

1271
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 4: Could be part of It depends on how quickly they

1272
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:18,480
Speaker 4: get this fixed. Like if we're talking about weeks or months,

1273
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:22,800
Speaker 4: this is you know, this is going to bring It's

1274
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:26,440
Speaker 4: so politically toxic that it's hard to even find the

1275
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 4: words for it. Philadelphia had half of ninety five we

1276
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 4: call it just ninety five over here on the East

1277
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:34,360
Speaker 4: Coast not done ninety five. So we had half of

1278
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:37,680
Speaker 4: the ninety five that was incapacitaty thing was hit by

1279
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:41,440
Speaker 4: a truck or something. And they whip that thing together

1280
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:43,200
Speaker 4: in like a week.

1281
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:45,520
Speaker 3: That was a big deal for Governor Josh Shapiro.

1282
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 4: He was like, this is the only thing I care

1283
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 4: about until this is done, because it's not just Philadelphia traffic,

1284
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:55,800
Speaker 4: it's also the artery connecting DC and New York. And

1285
00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:59,240
Speaker 4: so they moved quickly and it was up so fast.

1286
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:01,880
Speaker 4: I don't know how long it's going to take them

1287
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:04,680
Speaker 4: in Los Angeles, but I can't imagine that a political

1288
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:09,600
Speaker 4: animal like Newsom is going to make sure that it moves.

1289
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:10,320
Speaker 3: As quickly as possible.

1290
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:13,240
Speaker 4: But this thing, you know, the California Democratic Party is

1291
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:13,919
Speaker 4: a complete mess.

1292
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:16,360
Speaker 3: Yes, exactly. Also, you're going to be able to actually

1293
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:17,640
Speaker 3: do it yeah, and.

1294
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:19,800
Speaker 1: I think this is a huge test for Karen Bass,

1295
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:21,600
Speaker 1: for Governor Newsom and others.

1296
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:23,600
Speaker 3: So the details of this.

1297
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 1: Some furthermore that we have is that of the one

1298
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:29,080
Speaker 1: hundred columns along the swath of the freeway that were damaged,

1299
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:32,920
Speaker 1: nine or ten were actually damaged severely, which means that

1300
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 1: they will have to do some infrastructure tests and if not,

1301
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:40,560
Speaker 1: if they do have to be redone, the entire overpass

1302
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:44,000
Speaker 1: may have to be torn down and refitted or retrofitted,

1303
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:48,480
Speaker 1: which is I mean, that's a month long construction project,

1304
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:52,800
Speaker 1: and it really again just highlights that you have a

1305
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:57,080
Speaker 1: significant impact here also from COVID, which is kind of crazy.

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Speaker 1: Palettes of sanitizer had been accumulated during the height of

1307
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:06,480
Speaker 1: COVID and we're stored underneath the overpass, which obviously these

1308
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:09,960
Speaker 1: things are like pure alcohol and help fuel the flames.

1309
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:13,400
Speaker 1: Part of the reason apparently that it was burning so hot.

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01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:16,000
Speaker 1: So the current state Fire Marshal is asking for people

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Speaker 1: to come forward for anonymous tips and they're going through

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Speaker 1: all of that, But the big, the big, you know,

1313
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Speaker 1: question for all of that right now is how are

1314
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Speaker 1: we going to figure this out? They say this is

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Speaker 1: probably the single most the single biggest challenge that California

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Speaker 1: and LA commuters have faced in years, and that the

1317
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:40,160
Speaker 1: follow on effects from lost time of productivity and traffic

1318
01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:43,760
Speaker 1: for the follow on effects of lost logistical support and

1319
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:46,480
Speaker 1: others that everyone relied on this for is going to

1320
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:48,880
Speaker 1: scramble the city and it's also even going to change

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Speaker 1: the way that some people do business. So there could

1322
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:54,960
Speaker 1: be a pretty significant impact actually on downtown Los Angeles

1323
01:01:55,160 --> 01:01:57,320
Speaker 1: as a result of this, even though they didn't do

1324
01:01:57,520 --> 01:01:59,720
Speaker 1: anything wrong, just from you know, some people saying it's

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01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:01,280
Speaker 1: not then I'm not even going to go in there.

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01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:04,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, for sure, you don't want to sit in

1327
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:07,320
Speaker 4: that hand sanitizer palettes.

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Speaker 3: Come on, what are you guys doing while you got

1329
01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:13,240
Speaker 3: a storage somewhere? I don't know. Also, does this not

1330
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:15,800
Speaker 3: even work against covid' that's the other thing.

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01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:19,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's probably, yeah, it's and it's anyway, we don't

1332
01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:19,960
Speaker 4: need to go into all that.

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01:02:20,120 --> 01:02:20,840
Speaker 3: We certainly don't.

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Speaker 1: Only to say for Californias and LA people who watch

1335
01:02:24,680 --> 01:02:27,040
Speaker 1: the show, we feel for you and we think it's

1336
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:28,240
Speaker 1: a tragedy about what's happened.

1337
01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:30,560
Speaker 4: There more time to listen to breaking points, that's right, Far.

1338
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:32,040
Speaker 3: More time to listen to VP in your car. So

1339
01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:33,640
Speaker 3: this you know, let's let's look on the bright side.

1340
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Speaker 1: Okay, moving on to the next part here, something I

1341
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:36,840
Speaker 1: really wanted to talk about with Ryan.

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Speaker 3: Let's put this up there, please on the screen.

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01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:41,840
Speaker 1: New report from the Wall Street Journal with a lot

1344
01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:46,840
Speaker 1: of interesting little tidbits. Headline, Oregon decriminalized hard drugs. It

1345
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:50,560
Speaker 1: isn't working. Majority of voters now want to undo a

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01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:54,280
Speaker 1: pioneering change as public drug use has become rampant, so

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Speaker 1: they say. Nearly three years ago into the experiment, the

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Speaker 1: proponents hope would spark nationwide relaxation of drug laws. Many

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Speaker 1: an Oregon have now turned against decriminalization, known as Measure

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01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:06,000
Speaker 1: one to ten, which passed at that time with fifty

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01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:09,919
Speaker 1: eight percent support. People are sprawled out on sidewalks using

1352
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:12,760
Speaker 1: fentanyl with no fear of consequence have become a common

1353
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:15,040
Speaker 1: sight in cities such as Eugene and in Portland.

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Speaker 3: Business owners and.

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Speaker 1: Local leaders are upset liberal voters who hope decriminalization would

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01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:22,280
Speaker 1: lead to more people getting help. In reality, few drug

1357
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:25,760
Speaker 1: users have taken advantage of a new state funded rehabilitation program.

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Speaker 1: Quote change appears likely a coalition of city leaders, police

1359
01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:32,160
Speaker 1: chiefs district attorneys have called on the state legislature to

1360
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Speaker 1: recriminalize hard drugs. A measure to do so in works

1361
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:37,680
Speaker 1: on the next year's ballot, and a new poll finds

1362
01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:41,640
Speaker 1: the majority of Orgonians support the idea. So, Ryan, you

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Speaker 1: literally wrote the book on drugs, on drug legalization. You've

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Speaker 1: been kind of a leader in the what decriminalized movement

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Speaker 1: and all of that for a long period of time.

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Speaker 1: So what do you make then, of what's happened in Oregon?

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Speaker 1: Did they just not do it the right way? What

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Speaker 1: do you think of the results of what's happened?

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, So my book came out in two thousand

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Speaker 4: and nine, and it made I think several points that

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Speaker 4: are quite relevant to this debate. One is that drug

1372
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:14,480
Speaker 4: policy does not exist in a vacuum. That drug policy

1373
01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:17,520
Speaker 4: is kind of the last thing that matters for drug policy.

1374
01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:20,960
Speaker 4: What matters more for it is economic policy for.

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Speaker 3: The most part.

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Speaker 4: But also, you know, broad broadly speaking, the things that

1377
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:28,360
Speaker 4: are shaping the world and shaping the culture shape shape

1378
01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:32,040
Speaker 4: what drugs, you know, become kind of popular in a moment.

1379
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Speaker 4: In other words, Oregon's decriminalization law has probably less to

1380
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:40,880
Speaker 4: do with the fentanyl than the fact that China is

1381
01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:43,840
Speaker 4: pumping fentanyl into the United States, Like you know your

1382
01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:45,200
Speaker 4: organ's law is going to move.

1383
01:04:45,240 --> 01:04:48,560
Speaker 3: The numbers underneath it all is it's a macro issue.

1384
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:51,080
Speaker 3: Are the bigger macro issues.

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Speaker 4: The other The other point that I made in the book,

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01:04:54,120 --> 01:04:56,960
Speaker 4: and so as I was publishing the book, kind of

1387
01:04:56,960 --> 01:04:59,800
Speaker 4: the the movement was kind of nascent, but it was

1388
01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:03,320
Speaker 4: the pendulum was swinging toward more liberal drug policies, and

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Speaker 4: I warned that the history of drug policy in the

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Speaker 4: United States is not a Martin Luther King type thing

1391
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Speaker 4: where it bends towards justice. It doesn't all move in

1392
01:05:14,080 --> 01:05:18,760
Speaker 4: one direction. It swings back and forth moments in the

1393
01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:21,920
Speaker 4: nineteenth century, moments in the twentieth century where you had

1394
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:26,840
Speaker 4: quite liberal drug policies, either nationally or in particular cities,

1395
01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:30,160
Speaker 4: and then things would get wildly out of control. And

1396
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:34,960
Speaker 4: you can try to kind of stitch just a racist

1397
01:05:35,040 --> 01:05:38,680
Speaker 4: drug war frame onto everything, but that doesn't answer the

1398
01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:41,800
Speaker 4: entire question. What you also get is just normal people

1399
01:05:42,320 --> 01:05:44,520
Speaker 4: who are like, this is a mess, and whether that's

1400
01:05:45,280 --> 01:05:49,400
Speaker 4: kind of cocaine or aladinum in the nineteenth century leading

1401
01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:54,120
Speaker 4: to then criminalization or what you're seeing now. I warned

1402
01:05:54,640 --> 01:06:00,280
Speaker 4: that if it's not done both responsibly and seriously, then

1403
01:06:00,320 --> 01:06:02,600
Speaker 4: you're going to get a lot of victories, but they're

1404
01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:05,560
Speaker 4: going to get reversed. And I think we're now we're

1405
01:06:05,600 --> 01:06:08,040
Speaker 4: now at that place. And so deep crim is kind

1406
01:06:08,040 --> 01:06:10,480
Speaker 4: of the worst of all worlds because it does nothing

1407
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:15,360
Speaker 4: kind of for the economic problems that people are facing.

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Speaker 4: It doesn't give people access to kind of clean drugs.

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Speaker 4: You're still getting it from the street. The only difference

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01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:26,520
Speaker 4: is that if a cop says something to you, you know,

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01:06:27,040 --> 01:06:28,560
Speaker 4: you get you get a little ticket and you don't

1412
01:06:28,560 --> 01:06:29,000
Speaker 4: go to jail.

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Speaker 3: I said, that's the only difference.

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01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:33,080
Speaker 4: But it still allows all of this public consumption which

1415
01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:36,760
Speaker 4: the public hates. Alcohol is legal, but we don't allow

1416
01:06:36,760 --> 01:06:39,440
Speaker 4: people to just be passed out all ox is not

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01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:42,640
Speaker 4: really acceptable or because that's because we have a we

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Speaker 4: have an actually regulated system around this very addictive and

1419
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Speaker 4: dangerous drug.

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Speaker 1: Alcohol and even smoking, if you think about it, I mean,

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Speaker 1: you can't just smoke anywhere in most of this country

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Speaker 1: at least this point.

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Speaker 4: But if we but if we just said, look, alcohol

1424
01:06:54,560 --> 01:07:00,360
Speaker 4: is illegal, but it's not criminal, so bootleggers can make it,

1425
01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:03,320
Speaker 4: people can drink it. Wherever they want and just get

1426
01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:06,400
Speaker 4: a little ticket and the treatment won't work. That's the

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01:07:06,440 --> 01:07:12,400
Speaker 4: third point. Our treatment system is this ancient alcoholics anonymous

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01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:16,400
Speaker 4: system that only really works for certain people. Insists on

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01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:20,800
Speaker 4: pure abstinence, pure sobriety, does not allow any medication assisted

1430
01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:23,080
Speaker 4: to treat method but yeah.

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Speaker 3: It's certainly not methodone.

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01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:25,919
Speaker 4: But then to box oone and some other more recent

1433
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:30,440
Speaker 4: less addictive medications that can help with opioids. We treat

1434
01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:33,600
Speaker 4: opioids just the same as we treat alcohol, and it's

1435
01:07:33,640 --> 01:07:34,720
Speaker 4: absurd and it's not working.

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Speaker 1: See this is interesting though, because it kind of belies

1437
01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:39,120
Speaker 1: something that I've always insisted on is I read Michael

1438
01:07:39,120 --> 01:07:41,920
Speaker 1: Schellenberger's book and it's the only book that ever I

1439
01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:45,439
Speaker 1: was not for drug legalization a problem. I'm still think

1440
01:07:45,480 --> 01:07:47,680
Speaker 1: I'm complicated on it. That said, I was like, if

1441
01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:49,360
Speaker 1: I was ever for it, this is the way it

1442
01:07:49,360 --> 01:07:52,800
Speaker 1: would work, which is, yeah, you can do drugs, but

1443
01:07:53,600 --> 01:07:58,000
Speaker 1: if you're getting high on a public bench, you're going

1444
01:07:58,000 --> 01:07:59,760
Speaker 1: to jail or you're going to rehab.

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01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:00,880
Speaker 3: You have no choice.

1446
01:08:00,920 --> 01:08:04,800
Speaker 1: This middle ground where we're at right now, not as

1447
01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:07,120
Speaker 1: much in Washington, DC. We still have some of a problem,

1448
01:08:07,120 --> 01:08:09,400
Speaker 1: but not even close to the zombies of San Francisco

1449
01:08:09,720 --> 01:08:12,080
Speaker 1: to Los Angeles and to skid skid Row is honestly

1450
01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:15,560
Speaker 1: burned into my memory from twenty and twenty two. I

1451
01:08:15,600 --> 01:08:18,360
Speaker 1: had never seen I still have never seen anything like.

1452
01:08:18,400 --> 01:08:19,880
Speaker 1: I've been to some of the I've seen some of

1453
01:08:19,880 --> 01:08:22,519
Speaker 1: the worst slums in Mumbai, and I still think skid

1454
01:08:22,600 --> 01:08:25,559
Speaker 1: Row was ten times worse because it was just a

1455
01:08:25,720 --> 01:08:28,640
Speaker 1: complete like it was a war zone, it felt like

1456
01:08:29,200 --> 01:08:31,160
Speaker 1: for the people who were there, and it was just

1457
01:08:31,320 --> 01:08:33,439
Speaker 1: very clear for so many of them that they had

1458
01:08:33,479 --> 01:08:35,560
Speaker 1: absolutely no hope. I've checked out, you know, if you

1459
01:08:35,600 --> 01:08:38,320
Speaker 1: want to interviews on the softwaree Underbelly channel, and then

1460
01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:40,880
Speaker 1: only even more convinced me so that I'm like, to me,

1461
01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:43,320
Speaker 1: and this is actually a big disagreement with Crystal, I'm like,

1462
01:08:43,360 --> 01:08:45,680
Speaker 1: I don't think housing has to do with any of this.

1463
01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:47,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, none of this seems to me as a

1464
01:08:47,680 --> 01:08:50,160
Speaker 1: housing problem. This all just seems like these people are

1465
01:08:50,240 --> 01:08:54,000
Speaker 1: straight up full blown drug addicts and the only way

1466
01:08:54,320 --> 01:08:56,640
Speaker 1: that you can really even begin to solve that problem

1467
01:08:56,840 --> 01:09:02,280
Speaker 1: is forcible rehabilitation or jail. Any of this public camping

1468
01:09:02,439 --> 01:09:04,760
Speaker 1: is deeply unsafe for them. They're just going to kill

1469
01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:07,759
Speaker 1: themselves already. Right now, the New York Times and others

1470
01:09:07,760 --> 01:09:10,120
Speaker 1: are reporting about the rise of so called super meth,

1471
01:09:10,479 --> 01:09:14,040
Speaker 1: about how people are injecting all kinds of things that

1472
01:09:14,120 --> 01:09:16,559
Speaker 1: are not only mixed with fentanyl, but fleshy, you know,

1473
01:09:16,680 --> 01:09:21,000
Speaker 1: flesh rotting substances and others that just lead to you know,

1474
01:09:21,320 --> 01:09:24,080
Speaker 1: it's just one way road to death. Like, let's be real,

1475
01:09:24,640 --> 01:09:26,439
Speaker 1: and it's not safe for them. It's not safe for

1476
01:09:26,479 --> 01:09:27,400
Speaker 1: a lot of the women. You know.

1477
01:09:27,439 --> 01:09:29,599
Speaker 3: One one report I read which is just so horrible.

1478
01:09:29,640 --> 01:09:30,519
Speaker 3: There's a lot of these women.

1479
01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:32,960
Speaker 1: One of the reasons why when they're addicted to fentanyl

1480
01:09:33,240 --> 01:09:35,200
Speaker 1: is they've taken math so they can stay up all

1481
01:09:35,280 --> 01:09:38,040
Speaker 1: night so that they don't get robbed or raped in

1482
01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:40,160
Speaker 1: the middle of the night in some of these en camps.

1483
01:09:39,960 --> 01:09:41,280
Speaker 3: Sexual anybody.

1484
01:09:41,360 --> 01:09:44,720
Speaker 4: Sexual assault in these camps is absolutely rampant, right, And

1485
01:09:44,760 --> 01:09:46,920
Speaker 4: so you don't want to condemn people to that, of

1486
01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:47,320
Speaker 4: course not.

1487
01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:50,679
Speaker 1: It's like it's worse than prison almost in some cases.

1488
01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:53,320
Speaker 1: And so so anyway, so what I've looked at here

1489
01:09:53,560 --> 01:09:55,840
Speaker 1: with the enforcement mechanism is they say, quote, some six

1490
01:09:55,880 --> 01:09:59,160
Speaker 1: thousand tickets have now been issued for drug positions possessions

1491
01:09:59,200 --> 01:10:01,439
Speaker 1: as decriminalization and went into effect in twenty twenty one,

1492
01:10:01,640 --> 01:10:04,680
Speaker 1: but just ninety two people have called and completed their

1493
01:10:04,680 --> 01:10:09,720
Speaker 1: assessments needed to connect them to services, so voluntary services.

1494
01:10:10,280 --> 01:10:13,000
Speaker 1: It's clearly now we've had real world experimentation here.

1495
01:10:13,160 --> 01:10:15,200
Speaker 4: It's not going to happen because I think a lot

1496
01:10:15,200 --> 01:10:18,240
Speaker 4: of people know that there's nothing on the other end

1497
01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:23,639
Speaker 4: for them too. That those ninety two people, they'll sign

1498
01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:26,479
Speaker 4: up for what's called kind of a twenty eight day wonder, yes,

1499
01:10:26,520 --> 01:10:29,120
Speaker 4: where you go to this treatment center for twenty eight days,

1500
01:10:29,160 --> 01:10:31,880
Speaker 4: you read the big book, you sit around in your

1501
01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:36,360
Speaker 4: folding chair, you work, you color, you write, and then

1502
01:10:36,360 --> 01:10:38,840
Speaker 4: twenty eight days later you kind of kicked. You're kicked

1503
01:10:38,840 --> 01:10:41,880
Speaker 4: back out, and you probably have a long criminal record

1504
01:10:42,040 --> 01:10:46,600
Speaker 4: from the different nuisance stuff related to your addiction. And

1505
01:10:45,960 --> 01:10:50,200
Speaker 4: there's no moment where somebody can say, and this is

1506
01:10:50,200 --> 01:10:52,400
Speaker 4: what a lot of people who are you know, are

1507
01:10:52,760 --> 01:10:55,720
Speaker 4: homeless living with addiction will say that there's no moment

1508
01:10:55,840 --> 01:10:57,400
Speaker 4: I can't say, you know what I would like an

1509
01:10:57,400 --> 01:11:01,400
Speaker 4: apartment and a job right now, Okay, I'm ready for that.

1510
01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:04,479
Speaker 4: I have the will, I have the commitment. I'm going

1511
01:11:04,520 --> 01:11:07,719
Speaker 4: to put this behind me. Even if you go through treatment.

1512
01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:12,280
Speaker 4: It's it's that just doesn't exist.

1513
01:11:12,680 --> 01:11:13,880
Speaker 3: This work for you.

1514
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:18,320
Speaker 4: Now, obviously some people can get there, but overwhelmingly people

1515
01:11:18,400 --> 01:11:20,439
Speaker 4: just don't see a way to get from here to there.

1516
01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:23,479
Speaker 3: Opiate recidivism rates are so high.

1517
01:11:23,520 --> 01:11:25,960
Speaker 1: I mean it depends on the drug like heroin versus

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01:11:25,960 --> 01:11:28,439
Speaker 1: fentanol and others, but even just based upon the people

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01:11:28,439 --> 01:11:30,840
Speaker 1: I've seen, you know, interviews and anecdotes and others for

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01:11:30,880 --> 01:11:32,880
Speaker 1: people who even who want to get clean and who

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01:11:32,880 --> 01:11:35,519
Speaker 1: have gone to multiple, you know, long treatment centers.

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01:11:35,560 --> 01:11:37,640
Speaker 3: As you're saying, I mean, one of the dangers.

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01:11:37,240 --> 01:11:39,840
Speaker 1: That I've actually had read a lot about was that

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01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:42,519
Speaker 1: in some in some cases these three week or four

1525
01:11:42,520 --> 01:11:45,680
Speaker 1: week centers, it's it almost leads and sometimes to.

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01:11:46,320 --> 01:11:49,160
Speaker 3: Worse verses because their.

1527
01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:50,960
Speaker 1: Tolerance is drawn down and they end up taking the

1528
01:11:51,000 --> 01:11:53,360
Speaker 1: similar amounts or chasing a short and high and it

1529
01:11:53,439 --> 01:11:56,760
Speaker 1: leads to an overdose, which puts you obviously in a

1530
01:11:56,760 --> 01:12:00,280
Speaker 1: really peralleuls situation. It literally could die. One thing, though,

1531
01:12:00,320 --> 01:12:02,320
Speaker 1: and this kind of I don't even know what to

1532
01:12:02,320 --> 01:12:03,800
Speaker 1: make of this. I wanted you to break it down

1533
01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:05,719
Speaker 1: for me. Let's put this please up on the screen.

1534
01:12:06,400 --> 01:12:11,200
Speaker 1: This is from the organized from OPB and they actually

1535
01:12:11,240 --> 01:12:14,639
Speaker 1: show that drug decriminalization and organ did.

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01:12:14,439 --> 01:12:16,920
Speaker 3: Not cause more overdose deaths.

1537
01:12:17,320 --> 01:12:19,840
Speaker 1: So what are we to make of this, because, as

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01:12:19,880 --> 01:12:23,600
Speaker 1: you said, yeah, they're still getting street drugs, but it

1539
01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:27,920
Speaker 1: didn't lead to more overdoses. Is this indicative that drug

1540
01:12:28,040 --> 01:12:31,639
Speaker 1: use just stayed the same, that it didn't actually impact it,

1541
01:12:32,040 --> 01:12:34,599
Speaker 1: that it didn't that the only real impact it appears

1542
01:12:34,600 --> 01:12:37,679
Speaker 1: to have had is more public drug use? What does

1543
01:12:37,720 --> 01:12:42,760
Speaker 1: an overdose rate and death actually mean for drug policy?

1544
01:12:43,040 --> 01:12:43,080
Speaker 3: Like?

1545
01:12:43,120 --> 01:12:44,639
Speaker 1: How are we supposed to look Because the people were

1546
01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:46,479
Speaker 1: pointing it to me as a victory, But the more

1547
01:12:46,520 --> 01:12:47,680
Speaker 1: I was reading about it, and this is from the

1548
01:12:47,800 --> 01:12:50,839
Speaker 1: NYU public health study of what's going on in Oregon,

1549
01:12:51,120 --> 01:12:52,559
Speaker 1: I was like, well, you can actually read this a

1550
01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:55,880
Speaker 1: couple of different ways for victory or honestly just stasis

1551
01:12:56,080 --> 01:12:56,880
Speaker 1: for what's happened.

1552
01:12:57,080 --> 01:12:59,559
Speaker 4: I mean, I would say that the more that you

1553
01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:03,200
Speaker 4: can take the criminal justice system out of out of

1554
01:13:03,280 --> 01:13:06,360
Speaker 4: drug policy, then the more you're bringing the public health

1555
01:13:06,400 --> 01:13:09,720
Speaker 4: system in. And while you're unlikely, like I said, to

1556
01:13:09,880 --> 01:13:15,120
Speaker 4: kind of eradicate the addiction crisis, because that's a much

1557
01:13:15,479 --> 01:13:17,880
Speaker 4: steeper hill to climb, and like we were just talking

1558
01:13:17,920 --> 01:13:20,280
Speaker 4: about so many of these treatment centers are actually just

1559
01:13:20,439 --> 01:13:22,599
Speaker 4: kind of medicaid scams that aren't.

1560
01:13:22,439 --> 01:13:24,040
Speaker 3: Serious about getting people sober.

1561
01:13:27,080 --> 01:13:31,800
Speaker 4: You can, however, keep people safer because you know, more

1562
01:13:31,800 --> 01:13:35,200
Speaker 4: people are going to be comfortable going to get going

1563
01:13:35,200 --> 01:13:37,200
Speaker 4: to the hospital, more people are going to be comfortable

1564
01:13:37,400 --> 01:13:41,719
Speaker 4: calling an ambulance. More may you probably have more access

1565
01:13:41,720 --> 01:13:44,760
Speaker 4: than ur can as a result, which is the kind

1566
01:13:44,800 --> 01:13:49,600
Speaker 4: of overdose antidote. So I think that that could you

1567
01:13:49,640 --> 01:13:52,040
Speaker 4: could explain it. You could explain it that way. And

1568
01:13:52,080 --> 01:13:55,880
Speaker 4: also for you know, forcing people into treatment who don't

1569
01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:58,720
Speaker 4: want treatment, keeping them sober for twenty eight days and

1570
01:13:58,760 --> 01:14:00,760
Speaker 4: then throwing them back out on the street like we

1571
01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:03,200
Speaker 4: just talked about, can increase overdoses and death.

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01:14:03,280 --> 01:14:04,639
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I think they should get a choice.

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01:14:04,640 --> 01:14:06,280
Speaker 1: It's like, listen, you can go to jail too, like

1574
01:14:06,320 --> 01:14:09,400
Speaker 1: you know, you have an option. I believe that's how

1575
01:14:09,439 --> 01:14:12,320
Speaker 1: Portugal does it. So Portugal has legal drugs, They even

1576
01:14:12,360 --> 01:14:15,000
Speaker 1: have what is it safe injection science and all that.

1577
01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:19,160
Speaker 1: That said, if you are publicly intoxicated, strung out, committing

1578
01:14:19,160 --> 01:14:21,400
Speaker 1: street crime and all of that as a result of

1579
01:14:21,400 --> 01:14:24,920
Speaker 1: your addiction, you only have two choices, which is rehabilitation.

1580
01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:26,640
Speaker 3: And or jail. But they're not going to tolerate, you know,

1581
01:14:26,840 --> 01:14:28,160
Speaker 3: some of the stuff that we see on the streets

1582
01:14:28,160 --> 01:14:28,719
Speaker 3: of California.

1583
01:14:28,840 --> 01:14:33,360
Speaker 4: That stick does give people an incentive that's also not ideal.

1584
01:14:33,400 --> 01:14:36,759
Speaker 4: If you can couple that with real training and education

1585
01:14:37,360 --> 01:14:41,400
Speaker 4: and also then economic opportunities on the other side, then

1586
01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:45,200
Speaker 4: people can say, then people have an actual choice, like, oh.

1587
01:14:44,920 --> 01:14:46,280
Speaker 3: Here is a good life I could have.

1588
01:14:46,320 --> 01:14:49,160
Speaker 4: That's an alternative right now For most people, that's not

1589
01:14:49,840 --> 01:14:52,080
Speaker 4: They don't realistically see that possibility.

1590
01:14:52,160 --> 01:14:57,400
Speaker 1: What non a rehabs have you seen be successful? It's

1591
01:14:57,400 --> 01:14:58,480
Speaker 1: an end for anybody.

1592
01:14:58,320 --> 01:15:00,360
Speaker 3: They call it pup and orphan.

1593
01:15:01,439 --> 01:15:03,160
Speaker 4: You could go back to read this piece I edited

1594
01:15:03,160 --> 01:15:05,479
Speaker 4: by Jason Cherkis at the Huffington Post called Dying to

1595
01:15:05,520 --> 01:15:08,960
Speaker 4: be Free. Just google that and it explains a lot

1596
01:15:08,960 --> 01:15:11,400
Speaker 4: of what we're talking about here. But suboxone and bupe

1597
01:15:11,400 --> 01:15:15,439
Speaker 4: and orphan are what they call medication assistant treatment. PUBE

1598
01:15:15,479 --> 01:15:18,120
Speaker 4: is the is the kind of generic name for it,

1599
01:15:18,479 --> 01:15:21,880
Speaker 4: and people say it gives you kind of like a

1600
01:15:21,880 --> 01:15:26,879
Speaker 4: coffee buzz, whereas methadone is more of a synthetic opioid

1601
01:15:26,920 --> 01:15:31,879
Speaker 4: that can create real you know, dependence, but also dependence

1602
01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:34,680
Speaker 4: is not that bad, like you can if you if

1603
01:15:34,720 --> 01:15:38,200
Speaker 4: you have diabetes, you're dependent on you know, treatment, you're

1604
01:15:38,240 --> 01:15:42,360
Speaker 4: dependent on coffee. Like, the question is it ruined? Is

1605
01:15:42,360 --> 01:15:44,040
Speaker 4: it ruining your quality of life? And is it is

1606
01:15:44,080 --> 01:15:46,680
Speaker 4: it damaging relationships? And is it making it impossible for

1607
01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:49,519
Speaker 4: you to do things safely? And you know suboxone bube

1608
01:15:49,560 --> 01:15:54,040
Speaker 4: does not do that, and so it's mostly a tab form.

1609
01:15:54,160 --> 01:15:58,400
Speaker 4: You get it prescribed and it both if you relapse,

1610
01:15:58,560 --> 01:16:02,320
Speaker 4: it counteracts and over dose and it also kind of

1611
01:16:02,400 --> 01:16:06,680
Speaker 4: undermines the kind of craving that that people have.

1612
01:16:07,240 --> 01:16:11,280
Speaker 3: But this is like, this is up against fentanyl.

1613
01:16:10,880 --> 01:16:13,280
Speaker 4: Which is kind of a new it's it's a kind

1614
01:16:13,320 --> 01:16:19,960
Speaker 4: of new, fearsome kind of level of of potency that's

1615
01:16:20,000 --> 01:16:24,559
Speaker 4: out there. So you know, this was designed for heroin

1616
01:16:24,600 --> 01:16:29,400
Speaker 4: and other opioids. It you know, so we're in a

1617
01:16:29,439 --> 01:16:30,920
Speaker 4: we're in a difficult spot, but that's what I would

1618
01:16:31,120 --> 01:16:35,040
Speaker 4: if you have people who are in those circumstances, you know,

1619
01:16:35,160 --> 01:16:36,759
Speaker 4: check out medications is the trigument.

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01:16:36,800 --> 01:16:37,320
Speaker 3: Well there you go.

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01:16:37,360 --> 01:16:40,479
Speaker 1: All right, So anybody struggling, go ahead and look into that.

1622
01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:44,559
Speaker 1: All right, let's move on to the next part. Ryan,

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01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:46,080
Speaker 1: I'm going to lean on you for this one because

1624
01:16:46,120 --> 01:16:49,080
Speaker 1: you read and didn't the investigation for the audience. So

1625
01:16:49,120 --> 01:16:51,559
Speaker 1: we've obviously talked a lot here about the Supreme Court

1626
01:16:51,640 --> 01:16:55,320
Speaker 1: around all these crazy stories coming out about these justices

1627
01:16:55,520 --> 01:16:58,880
Speaker 1: going to speak at lavish conferences and flying for free

1628
01:16:59,000 --> 01:17:02,400
Speaker 1: and going on crazy vacations and getting gifted things and

1629
01:17:02,439 --> 01:17:06,559
Speaker 1: going places and getting their houses bought by billionaires and all.

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01:17:06,439 --> 01:17:07,600
Speaker 3: This other nonsense.

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01:17:07,640 --> 01:17:09,840
Speaker 4: So the Supreme Court, we keep saying, they, but there's

1632
01:17:09,920 --> 01:17:11,439
Speaker 4: kind of one guy that well, Claire.

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01:17:11,240 --> 01:17:13,000
Speaker 1: Thomas is the worst. But I will say, I mean

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01:17:13,040 --> 01:17:15,880
Speaker 1: the rest, like, what was it soda? My oar also

1635
01:17:15,920 --> 01:17:18,240
Speaker 1: spoke at some of these conversations there was a book

1636
01:17:18,280 --> 01:17:21,000
Speaker 1: problem that was going on there. So it's yes, it's

1637
01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:23,200
Speaker 1: definitely Colrace Thomas is on the bleeding edge. But a

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01:17:23,280 --> 01:17:25,480
Speaker 1: lot of these people, I think need a little well reminder,

1639
01:17:25,920 --> 01:17:28,040
Speaker 1: you know, slap on the wrist, just to say, hey, hey,

1640
01:17:28,240 --> 01:17:31,120
Speaker 1: what's going on here. The Senate Democrats and a lot

1641
01:17:31,120 --> 01:17:36,120
Speaker 1: of others had been pushing a congressionally imposed code of ethics.

1642
01:17:36,520 --> 01:17:41,000
Speaker 1: The Supreme Court yesterday voluntarily adopted a code. We actually

1643
01:17:41,000 --> 01:17:42,960
Speaker 1: have it. We can put it up there. Ryan, you

1644
01:17:43,040 --> 01:17:45,880
Speaker 1: read through the whole thing, give us is it real?

1645
01:17:46,200 --> 01:17:46,519
Speaker 3: Is it not?

1646
01:17:47,320 --> 01:17:49,840
Speaker 1: Is it actually enforceable. What are the consequences to all

1647
01:17:49,840 --> 01:17:50,960
Speaker 1: of this? Give us some of the details.

1648
01:17:51,040 --> 01:17:53,400
Speaker 4: I mean, it's not really real what it And people

1649
01:17:53,720 --> 01:17:56,240
Speaker 4: if you're watching a pause and read the preamble there,

1650
01:17:56,280 --> 01:17:58,320
Speaker 4: which tells you everything you need to know about it

1651
01:17:58,360 --> 01:18:01,439
Speaker 4: in one sense, and I can read from one part.

1652
01:18:01,680 --> 01:18:02,960
Speaker 3: Basically, they say.

1653
01:18:02,880 --> 01:18:06,120
Speaker 4: That they were embarrassed that they didn't have a code.

1654
01:18:06,439 --> 01:18:08,559
Speaker 4: And they say, look, we do have a code. We

1655
01:18:08,600 --> 01:18:11,760
Speaker 4: call it a common law code. We do the right thing.

1656
01:18:11,840 --> 01:18:15,559
Speaker 4: There's laws, there's general ethics rules around here that we've

1657
01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:18,720
Speaker 4: all cobbled together to, you know, make sure that we're

1658
01:18:18,760 --> 01:18:22,040
Speaker 4: operating as ethically as possible. But we're super embarrassed that

1659
01:18:22,080 --> 01:18:25,280
Speaker 4: people keep saying the Supreme Court doesn't have an ethics code,

1660
01:18:25,280 --> 01:18:27,719
Speaker 4: whereas Congress does, the White House does, and the judiciary

1661
01:18:27,800 --> 01:18:30,439
Speaker 4: underneath the Supreme Court does, And that's embarrassing. So they

1662
01:18:30,439 --> 01:18:33,880
Speaker 4: write the absence of a code, however, has led in

1663
01:18:33,960 --> 01:18:38,040
Speaker 4: recent years to the misunderstanding that the justices of this Court,

1664
01:18:38,560 --> 01:18:41,880
Speaker 4: unlike all other jurists in this country, regard themselves as

1665
01:18:41,960 --> 01:18:46,640
Speaker 4: unrestricted by any ethics rules. To dispel this misunderstanding, we

1666
01:18:46,680 --> 01:18:50,640
Speaker 4: are issuing this code, which largely represents a codification of

1667
01:18:50,680 --> 01:18:54,599
Speaker 4: principles that we have long regarded as governing our conduct.

1668
01:18:54,720 --> 01:18:57,799
Speaker 4: So they're straight up saying, you guys have been complaining

1669
01:18:57,800 --> 01:18:59,000
Speaker 4: for a long time that we don't have a code

1670
01:18:59,080 --> 01:19:02,200
Speaker 4: till we wrote a code. But they are also saying

1671
01:19:02,240 --> 01:19:06,320
Speaker 4: the code doesn't do anything tighter than what we've already

1672
01:19:06,360 --> 01:19:09,320
Speaker 4: been doing. And so people are like, well, look, Clarence

1673
01:19:09,360 --> 01:19:12,479
Speaker 4: Thomas got a free RV from a guy who brings

1674
01:19:12,479 --> 01:19:14,920
Speaker 4: a bunch of business before the court. That RV costs

1675
01:19:14,960 --> 01:19:19,120
Speaker 4: like three hundred grand. That sounds unethical. You're not addressing

1676
01:19:19,120 --> 01:19:21,840
Speaker 4: that in this now, so they sort of. So they

1677
01:19:21,880 --> 01:19:28,200
Speaker 4: actually mentioned books in here, and they say that a

1678
01:19:28,640 --> 01:19:30,840
Speaker 4: justice should not speak at a fundraiser or an event

1679
01:19:31,640 --> 01:19:34,360
Speaker 4: that kind of raises money for an organization, but they

1680
01:19:34,400 --> 01:19:38,439
Speaker 4: can appear at a fundraiser, like they can be there,

1681
01:19:38,520 --> 01:19:42,320
Speaker 4: you eat the rubber chicken and like get introduced, thank

1682
01:19:42,360 --> 01:19:45,200
Speaker 4: you Justice for being here, and then mingle with people afterwards,

1683
01:19:45,200 --> 01:19:48,120
Speaker 4: which gets people to the fundraiser. And it also says

1684
01:19:48,120 --> 01:19:50,120
Speaker 4: they're allowed to be at events where their books are sold.

1685
01:19:50,560 --> 01:19:55,160
Speaker 4: So like that's the big grift that politicians and justices are.

1686
01:19:55,960 --> 01:19:59,200
Speaker 4: One of the few things that they specifically codified into

1687
01:19:59,200 --> 01:20:00,679
Speaker 4: their little code here that don't worry.

1688
01:20:01,120 --> 01:20:03,960
Speaker 3: Books are fine otherwise they the code.

1689
01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:07,320
Speaker 4: It's like fourteen pages long, but it basically boils down to, uh,

1690
01:20:07,439 --> 01:20:11,479
Speaker 4: don't do things that appear to be unethical. But then

1691
01:20:11,520 --> 01:20:13,839
Speaker 4: you're like, okay, well a lot of this stuff appears unethical.

1692
01:20:13,920 --> 01:20:14,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, so are you doing an.

1693
01:20:14,760 --> 01:20:16,439
Speaker 1: Ask on the in terms of the specifics like what

1694
01:20:16,479 --> 01:20:19,240
Speaker 1: about the private jet travel some of the stuff that

1695
01:20:19,280 --> 01:20:21,120
Speaker 1: had not been disclosed any of that, so none of

1696
01:20:21,120 --> 01:20:21,879
Speaker 1: that is in there.

1697
01:20:21,800 --> 01:20:24,320
Speaker 4: Now, And it says you should like endeavor to be transparent,

1698
01:20:24,520 --> 01:20:28,280
Speaker 4: but it doesn't say like every six months you're going

1699
01:20:28,360 --> 01:20:32,439
Speaker 4: to submit to this authority that you know you're you're

1700
01:20:32,600 --> 01:20:34,680
Speaker 4: like the way that you know, the Senate and the

1701
01:20:34,680 --> 01:20:37,400
Speaker 4: House have disclosed your White House has like offices that

1702
01:20:37,520 --> 01:20:40,160
Speaker 4: like have paperwork where you submit your paperwork and.

1703
01:20:40,160 --> 01:20:42,839
Speaker 3: You say, here's here's my here's my holdings.

1704
01:20:42,880 --> 01:20:45,240
Speaker 4: Like that's how we know Joe Manchin owns a coal

1705
01:20:45,280 --> 01:20:46,440
Speaker 4: company interest.

1706
01:20:46,160 --> 01:20:47,280
Speaker 3: Because he had to disclose that.

1707
01:20:47,760 --> 01:20:50,479
Speaker 4: So they suggest you ought to do that, but they

1708
01:20:50,520 --> 01:20:53,679
Speaker 4: don't really necessarily, you know, they don't send any deadlines

1709
01:20:53,720 --> 01:20:55,920
Speaker 4: or any specifics about like, okay, how you're going to

1710
01:20:56,000 --> 01:20:56,280
Speaker 4: do that.

1711
01:20:56,320 --> 01:20:58,759
Speaker 1: Let's put the ap article on there, because they also

1712
01:20:58,880 --> 01:21:01,040
Speaker 1: have some of this. They just say that the Supreme

1713
01:21:01,040 --> 01:21:03,120
Speaker 1: Court says it's adopting the Code of Ethics but has

1714
01:21:03,120 --> 01:21:06,720
Speaker 1: no means of enforcement. So then my question is kind

1715
01:21:06,720 --> 01:21:10,559
Speaker 1: of around Democrats and should they retain control of the

1716
01:21:10,600 --> 01:21:14,240
Speaker 1: Senate or should they ever have unified government again under Biden?

1717
01:21:14,520 --> 01:21:16,559
Speaker 1: Would a Code of Ethics pass?

1718
01:21:16,800 --> 01:21:17,320
Speaker 3: Do you think?

1719
01:21:17,479 --> 01:21:19,880
Speaker 1: Or is it more of a rhetorical device now since

1720
01:21:19,960 --> 01:21:22,880
Speaker 1: the court is republican or conservative control.

1721
01:21:23,200 --> 01:21:26,400
Speaker 4: I think it could still pass because you saw people

1722
01:21:26,439 --> 01:21:28,519
Speaker 4: like Roe Connor are the ones that have made big

1723
01:21:28,520 --> 01:21:29,120
Speaker 4: stink about this.

1724
01:21:29,320 --> 01:21:31,120
Speaker 3: And he responded to this.

1725
01:21:31,000 --> 01:21:33,320
Speaker 4: By saying that this is this is ridiculous, like there's

1726
01:21:33,360 --> 01:21:36,640
Speaker 4: nothing really in here, like we should still codify this,

1727
01:21:37,200 --> 01:21:40,280
Speaker 4: and the point of there being no way to enforce

1728
01:21:40,320 --> 01:21:42,680
Speaker 4: it is both true but also kind of beside the

1729
01:21:42,680 --> 01:21:44,880
Speaker 4: point in the sense that it's the Supreme Court, Like

1730
01:21:44,880 --> 01:21:45,680
Speaker 4: who's going to enforce it?

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Speaker 3: The super Supreme Court? Right?

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Speaker 4: Our system is checks and balances, so other branches are

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01:21:51,000 --> 01:21:54,280
Speaker 4: the ones that have to check other branches. You know,

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01:21:54,520 --> 01:21:57,439
Speaker 4: who's going to the same with Congress like that. You

1735
01:21:57,439 --> 01:22:00,880
Speaker 4: can have a House ethics committee, but ultimate if the

1736
01:22:00,960 --> 01:22:04,360
Speaker 4: House votes to overrule that. That's what the House does. Like,

1737
01:22:04,439 --> 01:22:07,400
Speaker 4: that's the supreme authority. The House is the House, the

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01:22:07,439 --> 01:22:10,519
Speaker 4: Supreme Court, or it is the Supreme Court. That's just

1739
01:22:10,760 --> 01:22:13,000
Speaker 4: so the House or the White House or and the

1740
01:22:13,040 --> 01:22:15,360
Speaker 4: Executive have to come in and check them if they

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01:22:15,400 --> 01:22:17,840
Speaker 4: want to. And so, yeah, I think that they would

1742
01:22:17,880 --> 01:22:21,599
Speaker 4: have to pass a code of conduct, an ethics code,

1743
01:22:22,000 --> 01:22:24,240
Speaker 4: have the White House signed into law and say no,

1744
01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:29,160
Speaker 4: every six months, this is what we want you. You

1745
01:22:29,240 --> 01:22:32,840
Speaker 4: can't take private jet flights with people who have you know,

1746
01:22:33,040 --> 01:22:35,080
Speaker 4: business before the court whatever, like however they want to

1747
01:22:35,080 --> 01:22:37,280
Speaker 4: spell it out. Otherwise, what you're going to get is

1748
01:22:37,720 --> 01:22:42,760
Speaker 4: the Supreme Court codifying or writing down in words that

1749
01:22:42,960 --> 01:22:45,280
Speaker 4: you know, you must be ethical, so that they don't

1750
01:22:45,280 --> 01:22:47,880
Speaker 4: have the embarrassment of not having this code. Now they say, look,

1751
01:22:47,920 --> 01:22:49,240
Speaker 4: we've got a code, what's your problem.

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01:22:49,320 --> 01:22:50,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good point.

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Speaker 1: So the Democratic bat ECUs Bill quote would require that

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01:22:53,439 --> 01:22:57,040
Speaker 1: justices provide more information about potential conflicts of interest and

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01:22:57,120 --> 01:23:01,040
Speaker 1: written explanations about their decisions not to accues. It would

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01:23:01,040 --> 01:23:04,439
Speaker 1: also seek to improve transparency around gifts received by justices.

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01:23:04,920 --> 01:23:07,720
Speaker 1: Currently has no prospect of becoming the law. But yeah,

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01:23:07,760 --> 01:23:10,320
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's true, and I think there

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01:23:10,360 --> 01:23:11,800
Speaker 1: were a lot of the Republican defense of this has

1760
01:23:11,800 --> 01:23:12,680
Speaker 1: really annoyed.

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01:23:12,360 --> 01:23:15,479
Speaker 3: Me because they'll say, well, this is just retribution.

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01:23:15,080 --> 01:23:18,040
Speaker 1: For row versus weight, and I'm like, yeah, that's probably true. Like,

1763
01:23:18,120 --> 01:23:21,160
Speaker 1: let's be real, that's true. That said, it's still not

1764
01:23:21,360 --> 01:23:24,160
Speaker 1: chill to be having your house be bought by a

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01:23:24,160 --> 01:23:27,719
Speaker 1: billionaire and be going on crazy vacations. And something I've

1766
01:23:27,760 --> 01:23:30,280
Speaker 1: personally observed with a lot of these people is that

1767
01:23:30,280 --> 01:23:33,880
Speaker 1: they're locked into jobs where they make three hundred thousand

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01:23:33,920 --> 01:23:38,280
Speaker 1: a year, but they're constantly socially in the room with

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01:23:38,360 --> 01:23:41,760
Speaker 1: people who are multimillionaires and or billionaires, and they get

1770
01:23:41,960 --> 01:23:45,240
Speaker 1: really envious. They're like, hey, I'm a Supreme Court Justice

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01:23:45,240 --> 01:23:48,200
Speaker 1: of the United States. I deserve to fly, you know,

1772
01:23:48,280 --> 01:23:51,280
Speaker 1: on a private jet and go on a yacht. And

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01:23:51,400 --> 01:23:52,719
Speaker 1: my response is, yeah.

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01:23:52,520 --> 01:23:54,479
Speaker 3: You can quit. You can probably go make millions of dollars.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, But they want to have both the power and

1776
01:23:57,800 --> 01:24:00,800
Speaker 1: the prestige. It doesn't that seems to irk them at

1777
01:24:00,800 --> 01:24:01,160
Speaker 1: their core.

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01:24:01,240 --> 01:24:02,720
Speaker 3: And members of Congress face this too.

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01:24:02,880 --> 01:24:06,200
Speaker 4: Senators, you're especially where they're like, I have more power

1780
01:24:06,240 --> 01:24:09,400
Speaker 4: than this person, right, why does this person get to

1781
01:24:09,439 --> 01:24:12,439
Speaker 4: fly for free, get to fly, yeah, sane or whatever.

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01:24:12,560 --> 01:24:14,640
Speaker 3: Well they're not a senator. Yeah, it's like you can.

1783
01:24:14,800 --> 01:24:16,519
Speaker 3: You can do it too if you want, you know.

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Speaker 1: I read an article actually about five senators in their eighties.

1785
01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:22,120
Speaker 1: All of them are multi millionaires. One of them's like

1786
01:24:22,160 --> 01:24:24,639
Speaker 1: sailing around the world. The other one's hanging Barbara Boxers

1787
01:24:24,640 --> 01:24:27,559
Speaker 1: hanging out a multi million dollar mansion. Tom Hard and yeah,

1788
01:24:27,600 --> 01:24:29,800
Speaker 1: Tom Hard did this, and I was like, hey, you

1789
01:24:29,840 --> 01:24:32,240
Speaker 1: know this, and a lot of people were dunking on it,

1790
01:24:32,280 --> 01:24:33,680
Speaker 1: but I said.

1791
01:24:33,479 --> 01:24:35,360
Speaker 3: No, this is a good thing. You should tell it. Yeah,

1792
01:24:35,400 --> 01:24:37,880
Speaker 3: there's life after leave. You should get out there. Yeah,

1793
01:24:37,920 --> 01:24:40,960
Speaker 3: Tom Fleets, It's like, if that's what it takes. Yeah,

1794
01:24:40,760 --> 01:24:42,320
Speaker 3: you being rich and old is fun.

1795
01:24:42,760 --> 01:24:44,880
Speaker 1: That's That's something I've learned from a lot of old people.

1796
01:24:44,920 --> 01:24:46,840
Speaker 1: So they should try it instead of just hanging out

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Speaker 1: here for two.

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Speaker 4: I guess Trking is when he retired, Democrats were so

1799
01:24:50,120 --> 01:24:51,680
Speaker 4: mad because they knew they were going to lose this

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01:24:51,800 --> 01:24:52,360
Speaker 4: twenty fourteen.

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01:24:52,400 --> 01:24:53,799
Speaker 3: They knew they were going to lose that seat.

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01:24:53,920 --> 01:24:55,439
Speaker 4: And when we asked him in the hall, why are

1803
01:24:55,439 --> 01:24:56,880
Speaker 4: you retiring, He's like, I want to sail around the

1804
01:24:56,880 --> 01:24:57,519
Speaker 4: world with my wife.

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01:24:57,560 --> 01:24:58,160
Speaker 3: He actually did it.

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01:24:58,240 --> 01:24:59,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's like, I don't want to do I don't

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01:24:59,479 --> 01:25:00,280
Speaker 4: want to do this anymore.

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01:25:00,400 --> 01:25:02,160
Speaker 3: Right, Well, he made the recall. Good for you. You know.

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01:25:02,200 --> 01:25:04,280
Speaker 1: Now he's eight years old and he's living a good life.

1810
01:25:04,280 --> 01:25:05,280
Speaker 1: And who replaced him?

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01:25:05,320 --> 01:25:05,839
Speaker 3: I'm curious.

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01:25:06,479 --> 01:25:09,000
Speaker 1: Jony Ernst, Okay, well it didn't work out that well,

1813
01:25:09,080 --> 01:25:09,840
Speaker 1: but it worked out.

1814
01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:10,880
Speaker 3: No Democrats were right.

1815
01:25:13,720 --> 01:25:16,599
Speaker 1: Okay, let's go to Biden. Speaking of Democrats, some cope

1816
01:25:16,960 --> 01:25:20,080
Speaker 1: that's going on over there. There's the new panic in Washington.

1817
01:25:20,200 --> 01:25:21,120
Speaker 1: Biden is too old.

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01:25:21,120 --> 01:25:22,400
Speaker 3: He's too old. He's too old.

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01:25:22,520 --> 01:25:23,880
Speaker 1: What are we going to do about it? He's just

1820
01:25:23,920 --> 01:25:26,280
Speaker 1: so old. Let's go and put this up there. Nate

1821
01:25:26,360 --> 01:25:29,639
Speaker 1: Silver kind of really, I think has become a leading

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01:25:29,720 --> 01:25:33,400
Speaker 1: voice amongst the like the what center left commentariat, if

1823
01:25:33,439 --> 01:25:35,479
Speaker 1: you can even call on them, just to be like, no, guys,

1824
01:25:35,479 --> 01:25:37,760
Speaker 1: Biden actually is way too old and he really should

1825
01:25:37,800 --> 01:25:41,280
Speaker 1: step aside. His headline is just quote, if Biden cannot

1826
01:25:41,320 --> 01:25:44,120
Speaker 1: run a normal campaign, he should step aside. Democrats are

1827
01:25:44,120 --> 01:25:46,400
Speaker 1: taking a huge risk either way, but they should not

1828
01:25:46,479 --> 01:25:49,280
Speaker 1: have to get away with a rose garden campaign. He

1829
01:25:49,320 --> 01:25:53,040
Speaker 1: says it is inherently crazy. The American presidential campaigns take

1830
01:25:53,080 --> 01:25:55,240
Speaker 1: more than a year to run, but they do. Late

1831
01:25:55,400 --> 01:25:57,720
Speaker 1: entrances don't have a good track record. He goes into

1832
01:25:57,800 --> 01:26:00,280
Speaker 1: all of the reasons for why it is danger risk

1833
01:26:00,320 --> 01:26:03,120
Speaker 1: to replace Biden, but he says, quote, as Biden's polling

1834
01:26:03,240 --> 01:26:06,360
Speaker 1: gets worse, his approval ratings near their lowest ever number,

1835
01:26:06,640 --> 01:26:09,479
Speaker 1: I'm increasingly hedging on that Democrats will be taking a

1836
01:26:09,560 --> 01:26:11,880
Speaker 1: huge risk. But they're also taking a huge risk by

1837
01:26:12,000 --> 01:26:15,840
Speaker 1: nominating Biden. There is no getting out of this. And

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Speaker 1: what he highlights specifically is a new report from Politico's

1839
01:26:20,160 --> 01:26:22,400
Speaker 1: Jonathan Martin. We can put this please up on the

1840
01:26:22,439 --> 01:26:26,120
Speaker 1: screen where some of the quotes in here are genuinely stunning.

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01:26:26,400 --> 01:26:26,839
Speaker 3: Quote.

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01:26:27,120 --> 01:26:30,599
Speaker 1: It's in part for they talk about the paragraph where

1843
01:26:30,840 --> 01:26:33,960
Speaker 1: well sourced this Royal Social Reporters talks about Biden, says

1844
01:26:34,360 --> 01:26:38,080
Speaker 1: refuses to accept his capacity to do the job. The

1845
01:26:38,120 --> 01:26:40,960
Speaker 1: oldest president in history when he first took the oath,

1846
01:26:41,320 --> 01:26:44,720
Speaker 1: Biden will not be able to govern and campaign in

1847
01:26:44,800 --> 01:26:49,080
Speaker 1: the manner of previous incumbents. He simply does not have

1848
01:26:49,320 --> 01:26:52,840
Speaker 1: the capacity to do so. His staff doesn't trust him

1849
01:26:52,840 --> 01:26:56,559
Speaker 1: to even try, as they make clear by blocking him

1850
01:26:56,560 --> 01:26:57,360
Speaker 1: from the press.

1851
01:26:57,680 --> 01:26:59,920
Speaker 3: Biden's bid will give new meaning to a.

1852
01:27:00,120 --> 01:27:04,480
Speaker 1: Rose Garden campaign, and it requires accommodation to that unavoidable

1853
01:27:04,720 --> 01:27:07,840
Speaker 1: fact of life, and Silver says it is not entirely

1854
01:27:07,880 --> 01:27:10,639
Speaker 1: obvious how to regard this claim. Martin is a fairly

1855
01:27:10,680 --> 01:27:13,920
Speaker 1: straight reporter. This is an opinion piece, but it is

1856
01:27:14,000 --> 01:27:16,720
Speaker 1: worth listening to because he's a well informed observer. And

1857
01:27:17,080 --> 01:27:20,880
Speaker 1: if that is a consensus view within the White House quote,

1858
01:27:20,960 --> 01:27:24,479
Speaker 1: it would be extremely foolish to nominate an eighty year

1859
01:27:24,479 --> 01:27:27,360
Speaker 1: old man who is not up to the rigors.

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Speaker 3: Of a modern presidential campaign.

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Speaker 1: So, I mean, on a certain point, it is crazy

1862
01:27:32,280 --> 01:27:34,720
Speaker 1: because you can see how the gambit could work. It

1863
01:27:34,800 --> 01:27:36,880
Speaker 1: certainly could work, but it's a lot like Hillary where

1864
01:27:36,960 --> 01:27:41,040
Speaker 1: but what if it doesn't work. Pretty good, there's a

1865
01:27:41,040 --> 01:27:43,519
Speaker 1: pretty good chance it may not work. I actually think

1866
01:27:43,680 --> 01:27:46,200
Speaker 1: Biden has a far higher chance of losing the Hillary ever,

1867
01:27:46,240 --> 01:27:49,080
Speaker 1: did you know in twenty and sixteen, and obviously Trump

1868
01:27:49,200 --> 01:27:52,320
Speaker 1: still won that election. I think it's absolutely coin toss.

1869
01:27:52,360 --> 01:27:54,599
Speaker 1: If anything, I'm giving the ads to Trump right now

1870
01:27:55,000 --> 01:27:58,479
Speaker 1: for where things stand, and Biden's age really does appear

1871
01:27:58,479 --> 01:28:02,000
Speaker 1: to be the single biggest problem for him going into

1872
01:28:02,000 --> 01:28:03,880
Speaker 1: this election. And it's like Democrats just don't want to

1873
01:28:03,880 --> 01:28:04,679
Speaker 1: talk about it at all.

1874
01:28:04,960 --> 01:28:07,360
Speaker 4: And one way you can tell how how bleak it

1875
01:28:07,439 --> 01:28:12,360
Speaker 4: is for Democrats is the answers that Jonathan Martin comes

1876
01:28:12,439 --> 01:28:14,960
Speaker 4: up with and not his answers, not blaming him for them,

1877
01:28:15,000 --> 01:28:18,320
Speaker 4: but you know, he's collecting the quote unquote wisdom of

1878
01:28:19,000 --> 01:28:22,799
Speaker 4: the kind of conventional forces that make up whatever accounts

1879
01:28:22,840 --> 01:28:26,439
Speaker 4: as the Democratic Party today. And they basically say, you

1880
01:28:26,560 --> 01:28:28,360
Speaker 4: got to have roma Manuel come in and share your

1881
01:28:28,360 --> 01:28:30,280
Speaker 4: campaign because he curses a lot and he's got a

1882
01:28:30,280 --> 01:28:33,360
Speaker 4: lot of energy, and you should have Bill and Hillary

1883
01:28:33,360 --> 01:28:36,479
Speaker 4: Clinton go do Middley's Peace. Like those are kind of

1884
01:28:36,479 --> 01:28:39,120
Speaker 4: the too big and then the other stuff is just

1885
01:28:39,560 --> 01:28:41,800
Speaker 4: boiler plate that people say, well, you need to talk

1886
01:28:41,840 --> 01:28:45,040
Speaker 4: more about your accomplishments and stop doing the Bidenomics thing

1887
01:28:45,080 --> 01:28:47,519
Speaker 4: because people are not glowing onto that.

1888
01:28:48,720 --> 01:28:49,880
Speaker 3: But that's it, Like that's it.

1889
01:28:50,200 --> 01:28:53,920
Speaker 4: So let's say he actually implemented every scheme and he said,

1890
01:28:53,960 --> 01:28:56,200
Speaker 4: bring ron Klain to do some things because ron Klain's good,

1891
01:28:56,240 --> 01:28:58,439
Speaker 4: ron Klan's good, fine, bring him in. Let's say you

1892
01:28:58,520 --> 01:29:01,400
Speaker 4: do all of those things like that's it, Like that's

1893
01:29:01,400 --> 01:29:03,800
Speaker 4: that's your whole thing, and that that fundamentally shows you

1894
01:29:03,800 --> 01:29:07,400
Speaker 4: how brittle the whole operation is because you still have

1895
01:29:08,080 --> 01:29:10,680
Speaker 4: you know, Biden then and then Harris as your as

1896
01:29:10,720 --> 01:29:14,200
Speaker 4: your ticket going forward. Right, there's this There's been this

1897
01:29:14,760 --> 01:29:20,600
Speaker 4: huge kind of loud exclamation from Democrats in DC to

1898
01:29:20,720 --> 01:29:24,680
Speaker 4: say that only that you're not an adult if you

1899
01:29:24,840 --> 01:29:29,080
Speaker 4: think that you can replace the incumbent president with a

1900
01:29:29,120 --> 01:29:31,800
Speaker 4: different president. That it's just not something that can be

1901
01:29:31,840 --> 01:29:35,840
Speaker 4: remotely in the conversation. And throughout the year they effectively

1902
01:29:35,960 --> 01:29:40,080
Speaker 4: did kind of marginalize that conversation. But I think it's

1903
01:29:40,200 --> 01:29:42,840
Speaker 4: just flatly untrue because all you have to do to

1904
01:29:42,920 --> 01:29:45,439
Speaker 4: imagine a different world is to say what happens if

1905
01:29:46,000 --> 01:29:51,040
Speaker 4: Dick Durbin and Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries signed a

1906
01:29:51,160 --> 01:29:54,799
Speaker 4: joint statement that said, we think Biden should step aside

1907
01:29:55,240 --> 01:29:58,519
Speaker 4: like that, That is, those are three people who have

1908
01:29:59,320 --> 01:30:01,800
Speaker 4: free will, they have agency. There is a thing that

1909
01:30:01,840 --> 01:30:04,559
Speaker 4: is within their power to do. If they did that,

1910
01:30:06,360 --> 01:30:08,880
Speaker 4: What is the response from Washington? What's the response from me?

1911
01:30:09,000 --> 01:30:13,240
Speaker 4: Just and it's pretty easy to imagine that world. CNN, MSNBC,

1912
01:30:13,479 --> 01:30:16,840
Speaker 4: New York Times go absolutely bananas. They start talking about

1913
01:30:16,880 --> 01:30:21,080
Speaker 4: who else is going to challenge Biden. Biden's team freaks

1914
01:30:21,080 --> 01:30:23,559
Speaker 4: out and says that, how how dare you? We're not

1915
01:30:23,600 --> 01:30:26,599
Speaker 4: doing this serious people don't talk about replacing the president.

1916
01:30:27,080 --> 01:30:28,920
Speaker 3: Guess what, Chuck.

1917
01:30:28,720 --> 01:30:31,679
Speaker 4: Schumer, Dick derb and rakeem Jeffers, these are pretty serious people.

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01:30:31,720 --> 01:30:34,200
Speaker 4: So now you're over that hump and now you're into

1919
01:30:34,200 --> 01:30:34,719
Speaker 4: a primary.

1920
01:30:35,000 --> 01:30:36,559
Speaker 3: That's what it would take basically. Yeah.

1921
01:30:36,600 --> 01:30:40,599
Speaker 4: But so there's this there's this insistence that there are

1922
01:30:40,720 --> 01:30:43,160
Speaker 4: no adults that can do that, that there is no

1923
01:30:44,120 --> 01:30:47,320
Speaker 4: that the party is hollow, that a party can't decide anymore.

1924
01:30:48,120 --> 01:30:51,519
Speaker 4: There are individuals within the party who could they chose

1925
01:30:51,600 --> 01:30:55,479
Speaker 4: not to And if this goes in a direction looks

1926
01:30:55,520 --> 01:30:57,200
Speaker 4: like it's going in, they're going to make Ruth Bader

1927
01:30:57,200 --> 01:30:59,960
Speaker 4: Ginsberg's decision not to step off the Supreme Court look

1928
01:31:00,280 --> 01:31:00,960
Speaker 4: look modest.

1929
01:31:01,080 --> 01:31:04,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, it looks interesting because it's one of those where

1930
01:31:04,400 --> 01:31:08,200
Speaker 1: again he really could win. And that's the most same thing. Yeah,

1931
01:31:08,200 --> 01:31:11,160
Speaker 1: And that's why they're doing it is because it's just convenient.

1932
01:31:11,240 --> 01:31:13,320
Speaker 1: It's a gamble. But they don't want to take the

1933
01:31:13,400 --> 01:31:16,400
Speaker 1: downside of the bet. And really, what bothers me about

1934
01:31:16,439 --> 01:31:19,320
Speaker 1: them is they're a sheer arrogance. So, for example, Ron

1935
01:31:19,400 --> 01:31:22,920
Speaker 1: Klaine was attacking David Axelrod for pointing out that Biden

1936
01:31:23,000 --> 01:31:26,080
Speaker 1: is too old, and probably he called him a prick.

1937
01:31:26,680 --> 01:31:29,679
Speaker 1: Behind the scenes, it appears that, you know, the entire

1938
01:31:29,720 --> 01:31:32,400
Speaker 1: presidential team is like laughing in the face of any

1939
01:31:32,400 --> 01:31:35,639
Speaker 1: pundit that says otherwise. But they seem to forget that

1940
01:31:35,720 --> 01:31:39,760
Speaker 1: Biden actually is really freaking old, and that they're you know,

1941
01:31:40,040 --> 01:31:44,400
Speaker 1: even yesterday, I saw a White House aide who responded

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01:31:44,439 --> 01:31:46,640
Speaker 1: to these allegations if Biden does have a capacity to

1943
01:31:46,680 --> 01:31:49,120
Speaker 1: do so, and it was something like, I would love

1944
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Speaker 1: to see a member of the press grapple with President

1945
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Speaker 1: Biden in a policy briefing, who has so many sharp

1946
01:31:56,080 --> 01:31:58,800
Speaker 1: questions and knows these issues inside and out. And I

1947
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Speaker 1: just wanted to be like, hey, you don't let the

1948
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Speaker 1: press in there, so we can't see that for ourself.

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Speaker 3: You would really love to see that guy. I would

1950
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Speaker 3: love to see too. Yeah, all of us would love

1951
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Speaker 3: to see it. If only somebody could make that happen.

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Speaker 3: You can tell the press team let us in there,

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Speaker 3: let him sit down. You know.

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Speaker 1: What silver Even points out is that Biden has now

1955
01:32:18,280 --> 01:32:22,719
Speaker 1: the fewest presidential press conferences per year except for Ronald

1956
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Speaker 1: Reagan and Richard Nixon, with not really good company that

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Speaker 1: you want to be keeping there.

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Speaker 4: And one guy was to mention the other like an alcoholic.

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Speaker 3: Like well.

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Speaker 1: One of the reasons why that's even more important is

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Speaker 1: that with these press conferences is that at least Reagan

1962
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Speaker 1: and Nixon would take questions in different formats, they would

1963
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Speaker 1: do sit down, actual interviews.

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Speaker 3: Biden doesn't even do any of that.

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Speaker 1: So the press conference or actually what we opened our

1966
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Speaker 1: show with, it's very rare actually for Biden to respond

1967
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Speaker 1: to shouted questions from the press. Usually his team will

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Speaker 1: just hound you out of there immediately after taking a

1969
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Speaker 1: photo and he won't reply, you know, to shouted questions.

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Speaker 1: Trump used to do stuff like that all the time,

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Speaker 1: which is why at a certain extent, like his press

1972
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Speaker 1: conferences and all that didn't even matter just because he

1973
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Speaker 1: was on a.

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Speaker 3: Day to day basis.

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Speaker 1: When we were there, we had almost a guarantee if

1976
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Speaker 1: we were going to see Trump, we're going to hear

1977
01:33:11,200 --> 01:33:12,880
Speaker 1: from the president, you know, we can ask him at

1978
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Speaker 1: least something about what's going on. It's extraordinarily rare that

1979
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Speaker 1: he didn't want to say anything to the press. Biden

1980
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Speaker 1: is really just so inaccessible and it's not even me.

1981
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Speaker 1: I mean, he has had no sit down even with

1982
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Speaker 1: traditional majors. Every once in a while he'll do an interview,

1983
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Speaker 1: you know what was it? And when he went to Arizona,

1984
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Speaker 1: he did he sat down with the Weather Channel. They'll

1985
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Speaker 1: pick these complete like softballs. He was on a podcast.

1986
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Speaker 1: I think he went on a wellness podcast as well.

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Speaker 1: But that's just giving people a taste of They try

1988
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Speaker 1: to cultivate this air of accessibility, but everyone in Washington

1989
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Speaker 1: knows he's probably the most inaccessible president in modern memory.

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Speaker 3: I mean even George W. Bush was more And this

1991
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Speaker 3: is his first time. Can you imagine a second term?

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Speaker 3: I know, yeah, and eighty three or something.

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Speaker 4: When you do watch him take field a couple questions

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Speaker 4: like we had at the top of the show. As human,

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Speaker 4: you're kind of like holding your breath and rooting for

1996
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Speaker 4: him to like be able to finish the sentence, and

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01:34:05,520 --> 01:34:10,880
Speaker 4: that that's just like to deny that reality doesn't doesn't

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Speaker 4: serve you as a pundit, even if you're just going

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Speaker 4: to get like made fun of by the White House

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Speaker 4: for saying that, but it's true. You're you're on the

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Speaker 4: one hand, you're like, did his like meek and stumbling

2002
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Speaker 4: response to that question suggest some weakness around how he's

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Speaker 4: responding to the Israel's like refusal to kind of listen

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Speaker 4: to him because the question was about what are you

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Speaker 4: going to do about you know, this civilian casualties and

2006
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Speaker 4: and this like attack on the hospital, or is it

2007
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Speaker 4: he just weak and old and like this is how

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Speaker 4: he's answered because you have to sort through these different

2009
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Speaker 4: questions to try to figure out what you're what you're

2010
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Speaker 4: getting from from the president. And he still has a

2011
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Speaker 4: year ago and then four more years after that. And

2012
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Speaker 4: if that's his biggest problem, it's not the one that

2013
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Speaker 4: you can do anything about.

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Speaker 3: Rama man. You can't make him younger. Yes, no, you're

2015
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Speaker 3: You're absolutely right.

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Speaker 1: And it's one of those where a lot of the

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Speaker 1: advice in there was basically just keep a low profile,

2018
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Speaker 1: you know, keep doing what you're doing.

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Speaker 3: And the thing is, I actually agree with all of that.

2020
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Speaker 3: If I was him, that's all I would do.

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Speaker 1: I would He once made fun of Rudy Giuliani for

2022
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Speaker 1: saying all that came out of his mouth was a

2023
01:35:18,040 --> 01:35:19,240
Speaker 1: noun a verb in nine to eleven.

2024
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Speaker 3: If I was Biden, it would be a noun a.

2025
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Speaker 1: Verb and abortion That's all I would talk about all

2026
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Speaker 1: day long until election day for the limited times that

2027
01:35:27,800 --> 01:35:31,280
Speaker 1: I'm actually able to speak properly. However, that's a very

2028
01:35:31,400 --> 01:35:33,760
Speaker 1: risky gambit when you're going up it's against such a

2029
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Speaker 1: talented politician like Trump, and they're not even really having

2030
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Speaker 1: an open democratic process.

2031
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Speaker 3: So we'll see, we'll see.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of democracy, Ryan, You're going to have to break

2033
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Speaker 1: this down for me, because I don't know what the

2034
01:35:47,640 --> 01:35:48,880
Speaker 1: hell is going on.

2035
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Speaker 3: You've had your eye on it.

2036
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Speaker 1: The only reason I'm even acquainted is because Tucker Carlson

2037
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Speaker 1: apparently went from the UFC with Donald Trump and Madison

2038
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Speaker 1: Square Garden and the next day is on the ground

2039
01:35:59,800 --> 01:36:03,920
Speaker 1: in Madrid immense significant protests. He spoke to some of

2040
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Speaker 1: the Spanish press while he was there, and I'm gonna

2041
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Speaker 1: get your reaction.

2042
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Speaker 3: On the other side, anybody who.

2043
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Speaker 11: Would violate your constitution, potentially use physical violence to end

2044
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Speaker 11: democracy is a tyrant, is a dictator, and it is

2045
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Speaker 11: happening in the middle of Europe.

2046
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Speaker 3: So we thought it just report covers that it's getting.

2047
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Speaker 11: Oh, if your government is allowing foreigners to commit and

2048
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Speaker 11: hurt you, they're committing war against you. You know, our

2049
01:36:30,840 --> 01:36:33,040
Speaker 11: news media doesn't report a lot of things, and in

2050
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Speaker 11: our time here. It's very obvious that the socialists in

2051
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Speaker 11: the Alliance and the separatists are trying to end the

2052
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Speaker 11: rule of QUN Spain.

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Speaker 3: If you don't have freedom of speech, you don't have

2054
01:36:41,880 --> 01:36:44,400
Speaker 3: the freedom to defend yourself, and you can't vote your

2055
01:36:44,400 --> 01:36:46,479
Speaker 3: way out of it. The system is rigged. You're in

2056
01:36:46,520 --> 01:36:49,320
Speaker 3: real trouble, real trouble. So I'm really rooting for your

2057
01:36:49,360 --> 01:36:50,719
Speaker 3: success if.

2058
01:36:50,600 --> 01:36:54,719
Speaker 5: The we're actually seeing how important but it's happening here.

2059
01:36:55,200 --> 01:36:57,080
Speaker 3: No, the world is not seeing how important it is.

2060
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Speaker 3: But we hope to change that.

2061
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Speaker 7: Yeah, so you will, thank you very much.

2062
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Speaker 3: To you very much.

2063
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Speaker 1: Okay, what's he talking about a socialist revolution in Spain?

2064
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Speaker 3: That doesn't sound good. Civil wars great things that have

2065
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Speaker 3: finished that. Yeah, well it.

2066
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Speaker 1: Didn't work out so well, no Rank or with Franco

2067
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Speaker 1: did it. So tell us about what too, baby, tell

2068
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Speaker 1: us what's happening.

2069
01:37:17,720 --> 01:37:19,439
Speaker 3: Socialist will rise again. So I was there.

2070
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Speaker 4: I was there this summer as this was kicking off,

2071
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Speaker 4: and when I came back, I actually solved the Catalonian

2072
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Speaker 4: independence crisis here here on Counterpoints, people can go watch that.

2073
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Speaker 3: But so we saw this coming.

2074
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Speaker 4: Basically what happened is that there was an election. The

2075
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Speaker 4: far right was the plurality leader. Then came the socialists,

2076
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Speaker 4: but the right could not come up with enough to

2077
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Speaker 4: get over fifty percent to form a government.

2078
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Speaker 3: They've tried.

2079
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Speaker 4: Socialists have carectake here in power, waiting for the Right

2080
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Speaker 4: to figure out if they could actually get their act together.

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Speaker 3: Here's the funniest part.

2082
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Speaker 4: In twenty seventeen, there were a bunch of illegal referenda

2083
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Speaker 4: held by the Catalonian independence movement, basically in Barcelona and

2084
01:38:06,880 --> 01:38:10,160
Speaker 4: around there, where they were going to vote on whether

2085
01:38:10,240 --> 01:38:12,000
Speaker 4: or not they would be independent and this, and the

2086
01:38:12,040 --> 01:38:14,080
Speaker 4: government said, you cannot vote on whether you're going to

2087
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Speaker 4: be independent, you can't be independent. They insisted they're going

2088
01:38:17,120 --> 01:38:20,120
Speaker 4: to have the vote anyway. People might remember from the

2089
01:38:20,160 --> 01:38:23,240
Speaker 4: time there was this violent crackdown on the referenda. They

2090
01:38:23,840 --> 01:38:27,879
Speaker 4: were chasing these wild scenes where they're chasing voters, you know, basically,

2091
01:38:27,960 --> 01:38:30,920
Speaker 4: you know, through middle schools and through stairwells, and they

2092
01:38:31,040 --> 01:38:35,120
Speaker 4: arrested a whole bunch of the separatist movement leaders. That

2093
01:38:35,240 --> 01:38:38,679
Speaker 4: the top leader was able to go from like safe

2094
01:38:38,680 --> 01:38:40,719
Speaker 4: house to safe house and get out of the country,

2095
01:38:40,760 --> 01:38:43,639
Speaker 4: and so he has been in exile. I think in

2096
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Speaker 4: Sweden or Switzerland, somewhere not maybe France, somewhere, not in Spain.

2097
01:38:47,760 --> 01:38:50,240
Speaker 4: He's out of there, and so but they still have

2098
01:38:50,320 --> 01:38:54,320
Speaker 4: a party. And so after the election results came in,

2099
01:38:54,400 --> 01:38:59,759
Speaker 4: it became clear that whoever could win the separatists vote

2100
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Speaker 4: in parliament would then be able to form a government,

2101
01:39:03,320 --> 01:39:05,200
Speaker 4: and so they had to negotiate with this guy who

2102
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Speaker 4: was in exile, and so both the right and the

2103
01:39:08,920 --> 01:39:12,080
Speaker 4: left are then kind of trying to win this guy

2104
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Speaker 4: over to their side. They're in an interesting position because

2105
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Speaker 4: they are kind of right wing, social conservative, Catholic leaders,

2106
01:39:23,720 --> 01:39:29,080
Speaker 4: but the base of the party is very progressive. But

2107
01:39:29,360 --> 01:39:31,920
Speaker 4: the number one thing they care about is independence, so

2108
01:39:31,520 --> 01:39:35,200
Speaker 4: they will vote for independence before they vote for their

2109
01:39:35,280 --> 01:39:38,080
Speaker 4: version of Medicare for all or whatever. But there's this

2110
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Speaker 4: split between the party leaders right wing party leaders, left

2111
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Speaker 4: wing base, with independence being the kind of little thread

2112
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Speaker 4: that kind of ties them together. So they don't actually

2113
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Speaker 4: ever want independence, because the second they get independence, they

2114
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Speaker 4: are then they're useless, like this leadership and the party

2115
01:39:54,840 --> 01:39:59,160
Speaker 4: becomes moves in a left direction. So anyway, they what

2116
01:39:59,160 --> 01:40:01,640
Speaker 4: do they really want? Do they want independence? No, they

2117
01:40:01,720 --> 01:40:05,599
Speaker 4: want amnesty for themselves. They don't want to be exiles anymore,

2118
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Speaker 4: and so the Socialists offered that, so they agreed, and

2119
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Speaker 4: they agreed, and so then the Separatists said, all right, good,

2120
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Speaker 4: we vote with the Socialists, we get our amnesty for

2121
01:40:16,200 --> 01:40:19,280
Speaker 4: our leadership, we can come back to Spain, and now

2122
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Speaker 4: the Socialists can form a government. And the Separatist Party

2123
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Speaker 4: is cool with that because they fundamentally are kind of

2124
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Speaker 4: center left, left wing, and they also want amnesty for

2125
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Speaker 4: their leaders. And so the right is like, we got

2126
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Speaker 4: a plurality of the vote. This is unfair, this is

2127
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Speaker 4: a takeover, this is a coup, and it's like, it's

2128
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Speaker 4: not a coup. They have more than fifty percent in

2129
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Speaker 4: the parliament, they're forming a government.

2130
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Speaker 3: So what would they say in response to.

2131
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Speaker 4: They would say it's illegal to like basically pardon criminals,

2132
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Speaker 4: because you are like, that's what they're doing. So there's

2133
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Speaker 4: some truth to it, Okay, Yeah, but the right would

2134
01:40:57,040 --> 01:40:59,120
Speaker 4: have done it too, So they say conservative and judges

2135
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Speaker 4: don't say that Socialist Leader Pact damages the rule of law.

2136
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Speaker 1: It does because it violates the amnesty deal, violates a

2137
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Speaker 1: twenty seventeen law that was passed inside of Spain Catalonia

2138
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Speaker 1: for the breakaway and the referendum says it will the

2139
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Speaker 1: previous leader had agreed not to defuse the conflict, and

2140
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Speaker 1: now the socialists will quote unquote take over the government.

2141
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Speaker 1: Now what are some of the other aim I mean

2142
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Speaker 1: is that the only thing that they're protesting, Like what

2143
01:41:26,760 --> 01:41:29,400
Speaker 1: percentage of the vote did the socialists get in the vote?

2144
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Speaker 7: A lot?

2145
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Speaker 4: I mean it was there's still number two yes, and

2146
01:41:33,479 --> 01:41:37,160
Speaker 4: they were the right was expected to win an outright

2147
01:41:37,200 --> 01:41:41,120
Speaker 4: majority with that, and they came in, they underperformed and

2148
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Speaker 4: the Socialists overperformed, so that they were already frustrated there

2149
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Speaker 4: and so now they're like, oh god, we need a

2150
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Speaker 4: couple more percentage points.

2151
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Speaker 3: Where are we going to get it?

2152
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Speaker 4: And it's like all these damn separatists and I think

2153
01:41:51,320 --> 01:41:54,759
Speaker 4: they felt like the right feels like the leaders betray

2154
01:41:54,840 --> 01:41:56,960
Speaker 4: them because they like are right wingers also, so like

2155
01:41:56,960 --> 01:41:57,880
Speaker 4: why aren't you with us?

2156
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Speaker 1: And so what they say is that quote fears of

2157
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Speaker 1: this is from the Financial Times. Fears of the amnesty

2158
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Speaker 1: law is opening away for Parliament to interfere in court

2159
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Speaker 1: decisions has prompted a statement from the Supreme Court of

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Speaker 1: Spain which says a government changer a comment Chamber emphasize

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Speaker 1: the need to guarantee judicial independence from all institutions and

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Speaker 1: underscored the Court's duty to safeguard equality in the application

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Speaker 1: of law. The proposed amnesty is now drawing condemnation from prosecutors, judges, lawyers,

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Speaker 1: police officers, in Spain's main business lobby, and tens of

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Speaker 1: thousands of people are taking to the streets. The text

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Speaker 1: of the amnesty law says that it will cover not

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Speaker 1: only people who organize the referendum in twenty seventeen, but

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Speaker 1: also those who committed crimes with a profound connection to

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Speaker 1: the independent SPID.

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Speaker 3: So this actually is pretty crazy.

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Speaker 1: They're not just saying it's like you helped organize a referendum,

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Speaker 1: They're like, straight up like criminal terror. I mean, terrorists

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Speaker 1: is a is a you know, I'm not going to

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Speaker 1: say the word whatever in Spain.

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Speaker 3: In Spain they.

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Speaker 1: Probably would, but I don't know enough in order to

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Speaker 1: use the term and apply to them. But it seems

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Speaker 1: to me like that is why it's such an emotional issue.

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Speaker 4: It's like it'd be like if, in order to form

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Speaker 4: a government in Israel, one of the coalitions said we're

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Speaker 4: going to pardon, We're going to pass a law that

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Speaker 4: says net ya, who's not guilty of any times?

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Speaker 3: Wow, that's pretty wid It's that. It's that, Yeah, it is.

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Speaker 4: So they're not wrong to be upset, but you know

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Speaker 4: the socialist are like to stay mad. Like you would

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Speaker 4: have done the same thing if you could have gotten

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Speaker 4: them to agree gotten yes.

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Speaker 3: All right, Well, so we'll continue to track it.

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Speaker 1: Spain always does pop off in terms of protests social

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Speaker 1: listen to right wingers fighting in Spain. What could go wrong?

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Speaker 1: It's not like it's ever happened before. Anyways, Ryan is

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Speaker 4: week or so.

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Speaker 1: If they do think that, they should probably think you.

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