1 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:05,560 Speaker 1: Welcome everyone to this edition of Amy and TJ. I 2 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 1: think most of you know that it's October and that 3 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:12,800 Speaker 1: means it is Breast Cancer Awareness Month, and certainly we 4 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 1: have devoted some time talking about this very important time 5 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:20,600 Speaker 1: of year. It's a reminder to women and men everywhere 6 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 1: to make sure they put their health first, to make 7 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 1: and keep those doctor's appointments, and certainly some of the 8 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 1: directives coming out of this month have changed and saved lives. 9 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 1: Present party included, I absolutely credit this month to saving 10 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: my life and for me actually being here because I 11 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 1: got my mammogram on October first, twelve years ago, which 12 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: led to a breast cancer diagnosis, and I am thankfully 13 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:49,880 Speaker 1: right now cancer free, and I attribute that to the 14 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:52,879 Speaker 1: awareness that this month raises. Our next guest is a 15 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: huge proponent of not just being in the cancer field, 16 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 1: but absolutely empowering men and women everywhere in preventative ways 17 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 1: and certainly in the care of the cancer regimen, maybe 18 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 1: outside of normal or your typical physician led way where 19 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 1: she actually has done the research. She has walked the 20 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 1: walk to figure out how to give all sorts of 21 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:24,960 Speaker 1: types of care to folks who are walking down that road. 22 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 1: Her name is doctor Stacy Stevenson. She is an internationally 23 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 1: recognized physician, a best selling author, and a leader in 24 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 1: what I didn't really know this term, functional and integrative medicine. 25 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 1: Doctor Stacy, thank you for being with us today. 26 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:44,759 Speaker 2: I am really really happy to be here. Your story 27 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 2: is so inspiring. And twelve years later, I don't know 28 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 2: if anybody could hear me, I was back here screaming 29 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 2: and clapping, but I didn't want to talk too much 30 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 2: over you, but I was clapping. Twelve years that's just 31 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 2: fabulous and cheers to one hundred more for you. 32 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 1: Thank you, doctor Stacey. And TJ has been a huge 33 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 1: part of being It's taught to be the care giver 34 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:13,080 Speaker 1: or at least the support of partner along the way 35 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 1: in some of these And when you get to cancer 36 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:18,079 Speaker 1: diagnosis isn't just for a year or for a few 37 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 1: months while you're being treated. It is a lifetime. And 38 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 1: so I know you focus on that as well, because 39 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:24,119 Speaker 1: everyone in the house. 40 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 2: Is impacted, well everyone. I don't know if TJ wants 41 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 2: to comment on that, but I bet he would say 42 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 2: everyone is impacted in the house. Just any type of 43 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 2: illness impacts your entire family, right any big dietary change, 44 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 2: any type of disease, from mental health to any forms 45 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 2: of physical health truly impact the entire family. But I'd 46 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 2: love to hear TJ's position, But personally, what we hear 47 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 2: the most in our families that we work with is 48 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 2: that it's just absolutely terrifying for the caregivers because there's 49 00:02:56,880 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 2: just a true out of control, feeling no control, don't 50 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 2: know what tomorrow is going to bring. You want to 51 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 2: be strong, You want to be there for your partner, 52 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 2: your brother, your sister, your mom, dad, whomever, and you 53 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:14,640 Speaker 2: kind of have to carry the entire burden, it feels like, 54 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 2: all by yourself so that the person who's suffering can 55 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 2: be their absolute best. What was your experience, TJ? 56 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 3: Well, no, this is all I didn't go through it, right. 57 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 4: I only been together now three plus years, so I 58 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 4: didn't go through some of that stuff A lot of. 59 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:32,359 Speaker 3: Family members do. 60 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 4: So I'm here and thinks they're smiling, it's going to 61 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 4: check up every six months and got a cansroversary to celebrate. 62 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 4: So I certainly wouldn't put myself in some of the 63 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 4: categories of a lot of families. When you made me 64 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 4: think of something, here do you find often that it 65 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 4: is a family member or a friend that ends up 66 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 4: being the one who encourages someone to get into that 67 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 4: Mamma Van to get into the doctor for the screenings. 68 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 4: Or is this something where a lot of women now 69 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 4: know to take it up on themselves and they take 70 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 4: responsibility for their health on this one, you. 71 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 2: Know what, I think October? You bring up October has 72 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 2: just really increased awareness, just like we hoped it would, 73 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 2: And women in general have this white hot spotlight on 74 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 2: cancer in general, which then spreads into the rest of 75 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 2: the family, which I think is wonderful. They are parts 76 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:25,159 Speaker 2: of me at sometimes that think, Okay, it's not just 77 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 2: about breast cancer in October, although I love that celebrating women, 78 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 2: It's also about cancer prevention. I think about prostate cancer 79 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:35,480 Speaker 2: hand in hand with breast cancer. But your question is 80 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:37,239 Speaker 2: a very good one. Do I think women are taking 81 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 2: it upon themselves or do I think we've done a 82 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:42,359 Speaker 2: good job of our campaigning. I think it's all of 83 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 2: the above. It very commonly is a friend or family 84 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:50,679 Speaker 2: member that really encourages people. Physicians have become much more 85 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 2: intentional and intensive about making sure people get their screenings. 86 00:04:56,240 --> 00:05:01,839 Speaker 2: We have improved accessibility, and that is Norman enormous access 87 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:06,280 Speaker 2: in general has improved across the world and in all 88 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 2: different cultures. Getting early detection used to be very much 89 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 2: a Western medicine construct. In other words, the United States, 90 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 2: North America, you know, Western Europe was more advanced in 91 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 2: getting screenings. Other countries around the world with sort of 92 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 2: lesser lesser economic power, were just waiting for people to 93 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 2: become symptomatic. More commonly, they weren't getting their screenings. With 94 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:32,719 Speaker 2: the advent of mammograms getting cheaper and cheaper and cheaper 95 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:35,840 Speaker 2: and more available and more available in this sprawl out 96 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:39,920 Speaker 2: into all communities, all cultures throughout the world, and the 97 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:46,799 Speaker 2: education has improved immensely for prevention, and candidly that prevention 98 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:51,919 Speaker 2: is critical in those underserved communities and the you know, 99 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 2: the communities internationally that have less economic power, it's even 100 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 2: more critical to get screening because the treatment will be 101 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 2: less invasive when the person, when the lady needs the treatment, 102 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 2: it will be easier to access because the woman won't 103 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 2: need secondary and tertiary centers, which'll be able to be 104 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:14,160 Speaker 2: treated closer to home. So everybody wins with early detection 105 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 2: and prevention no matter what your economic status, no matter 106 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 2: what your age, no matter where you live, and mammograms 107 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 2: are a key that has unlocked that because the entire 108 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 2: international healthcare community has done a really good job of 109 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 2: spreading that word, and then we focus it intensely in 110 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 2: October and you know, campaign to grab your mom, grab 111 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:41,720 Speaker 2: your sister, grab your friend, you know, go get your screenings. 112 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:44,480 Speaker 2: And I think it's been just a compilation of a 113 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 2: decade of intensive health focus on this matter. And it 114 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:53,920 Speaker 2: has been women leading the charge originally, but I think 115 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:58,039 Speaker 2: everybody's gotten on it over time. Who doesn't have a 116 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 2: mom's sister and friends. I mean, you know, we're fifty 117 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 2: to fifty ladies and mass We're all in it. 118 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 1: I'm curious, babe, because having been with me now for 119 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 1: three years and seeing my focus and my concerns sometimes 120 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 1: when little things get scary in a way that they 121 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 1: wouldn't have otherwise had I not had cancer, Have you 122 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: taken your health more seriously? Have you been more willing 123 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:31,119 Speaker 1: to make those doctor's appointments, to get the blood work done, 124 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 1: to focus on your diet. Has it changed anything for 125 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 1: you just to see? 126 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 3: No, because I will have its dire at the end 127 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 3: of the day, I'm still to do. 128 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 4: And if it ain't doctor, you know this, If it 129 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 4: ain't broken, ain't bleeding, I ain't going to the doctor. 130 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 3: Is that fairly simple? 131 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:48,559 Speaker 4: Even though I'm forty eight and pretty healthy, I haven't 132 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 4: had any major issues to put me on edge. I 133 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:55,119 Speaker 4: don't want to have one. But your question, no, not really? 134 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 4: Do you find doctor still in the family front here 135 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 4: for a second, do you find that some family members 136 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 4: end up getting sick? I mean finding themselves that they're 137 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 4: not taking care of themselves doesn't mean they at least 138 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 4: to something like cancer. But do we have to be careful? 139 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 4: Would you give that warning to a lot of family members? 140 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 4: Make sure during these times you also are taking care 141 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 4: of yourself as you're trying to focus on the health 142 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 4: of your love, the one who has just been diagnosed. 143 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 2: Possibly, oh absolutely critically. And now I'm gonna I'm gonna 144 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 2: slightly yell at you to go start getting all of 145 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 2: your screenings doing it. 146 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:33,200 Speaker 1: So, yes, I mean, really, it's telling doesn't work. 147 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 2: You have to give a carot, you know, he has 148 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:38,720 Speaker 2: to treat, he has to have a motivation. I don't know, 149 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:42,680 Speaker 2: Maybe it's a bottle of line. I don't know. Yeah, 150 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 2: definitely give a treat, have to give a little sweet 151 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 2: with this hour. But that being said, yes, family members 152 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 2: are at great risk because they are taking on the stress. 153 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 2: They are maybe managing the appointments, taking care of transportation, 154 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:59,839 Speaker 2: worried about finances. We haven't even talked about finances during 155 00:08:59,880 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 2: a cancer diagnosis. Most many, many times household income drops 156 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 2: dramatically or is affected dramatically throughout cancer treatment and cancer recovery. 157 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:13,239 Speaker 2: That affects the person who is bringing home the finances 158 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 2: to the family immensely, and that sets that person up 159 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:22,559 Speaker 2: for typically more chronic type illnesses, autoimm illnesses, obesity, diabetes, 160 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 2: cardiac disease. And remember these are hitting families oftentimes. Whereas 161 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 2: you might have been susceptible amy to breast cancer, well, 162 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:34,599 Speaker 2: your partner at the time or a caretaker or a 163 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 2: family member, that person might have been more susceptible to diabetes, 164 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 2: for example, And due to all of that stress and 165 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 2: not eating well and not taking care of themselves. Oops, 166 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:46,320 Speaker 2: two years after your cancer diagnosis, that person now has 167 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 2: a chronic disease that we see incredibly commonly, and you 168 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 2: can track it pretty It's pretty clear to track stress. 169 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:01,679 Speaker 1: A lot of time right, Yeah, Yeah, you're stressed, and 170 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:03,680 Speaker 1: you just go for what makes you feel good at 171 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:07,080 Speaker 1: the time, not necessarily what's good for you to be doing. 172 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 1: You have spent much of your career focusing on the 173 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 1: root causes of these types of diseases, not just cancer, 174 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:17,599 Speaker 1: but certainly cancer included not just treating the symptoms and 175 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:20,440 Speaker 1: dealing with the treatment, but actually trying to figure out 176 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 1: what we all can do better. 177 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 2: And I know. 178 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 1: We have changed our diet TJ and I. We have 179 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 1: lowered our alcohol intake, we have done things that we 180 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 1: have been well. We've been deliberate about those choices given 181 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 1: all that we know now. But people talk about superfoods, 182 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 1: and they talk about gut health, and they talk there 183 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:41,680 Speaker 1: are all of these other factors that you don't necessarily 184 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:44,440 Speaker 1: hear about when you go to get your physical or 185 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 1: you go to your oncologist. But you have really focused 186 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:52,960 Speaker 1: on those aspects of medicine that we don't hear enough 187 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 1: about it. And there are so many different competing views 188 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:57,840 Speaker 1: it's hard to know what's true and what's not. Are 189 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 1: there go to things you can be eat that you 190 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 1: can be putting into your diet that can absolutely improve 191 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 1: your overall health. And prevent diseases like cancer. 192 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 2: Well, simple answer is yes, and I know that's probably 193 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 2: I don't know if that's the answer people want to 194 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:16,680 Speaker 2: hear or not hear. But we are setting ourselves up 195 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 2: from the environmental exposures, from the nutritional exposures, from the 196 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 2: stress exposures, from the sugar, from the additives, from the 197 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:28,679 Speaker 2: toxicity that is triggering our genome for sure, to express 198 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 2: these cancers at a much higher rate. Breast cancer rates 199 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:37,559 Speaker 2: have gone up, unfortunately. Luckily though, survival rates have also 200 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 2: gone up. But I deeply believe that the rates of 201 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 2: overall cases are increasing for two reasons. One is the 202 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 2: detection that we were talking about. Hands down, we're detecting 203 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 2: more cases earlier. You can't ignore that. But step two 204 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 2: is we are increasingly having a poorer quality of food. 205 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 2: We have poor soil quality, We are nutritionally less and 206 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 2: less capable. Our macronutrient balance has been all over the map, 207 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 2: as you pointed out, from eat all carbohydrates to no 208 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 2: only eight fats to oh no, be a carnivore diet. 209 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 2: My god, I mean it just I could side here 210 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:14,840 Speaker 2: for hours and do myth versus fact with you guys 211 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 2: on diets, but I think what and so that has 212 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:23,680 Speaker 2: all become additive. Simple vitamin D deficiencies that are really 213 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:28,440 Speaker 2: intense in the population, which sounds very surprising, trigger and 214 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 2: stimulate forms of cancer. Breast being one vitamin D is 215 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 2: critical in the prevention of prostate cancer as well. These 216 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 2: are vitamins that are also critical during the phase of 217 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:43,080 Speaker 2: treating cancers as well. So there are some critical critical 218 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:46,679 Speaker 2: nutrients that we are very aware. Magnesium, zinc, the trace 219 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:50,560 Speaker 2: minerals are critical in both prevention and whilst we're being 220 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 2: treated both. I think most of the time it's oh, 221 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 2: my god, Doc, like, what diet should I do on 222 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 2: a regular daily basis that I that I can maintain. 223 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 2: Don't give me some crazy diet that's unrealistic. And the 224 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 2: best thing I could say there is my dream for 225 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 2: everybody would be more or less a gluten free dairy free. 226 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:16,560 Speaker 2: I have my reasons for that. It doesn't mean you're 227 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 2: gluten sensitive necessarily, but there are a lot of reasons 228 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 2: that relate to that carbohydrate balance and also the the 229 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 2: the basically the genetic poor quality of the wheat that 230 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 2: we eat in this country. However, the eating things that 231 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 2: come from the ground like eating real food. Like if 232 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:38,839 Speaker 2: I actually, you know what, if I could boil down 233 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 2: one piece, it would just say as little process food 234 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 2: as you possibly can. You know, it's kind of like 235 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 2: your mom said, eat your fruits, eat your vegetables, eat 236 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:54,560 Speaker 2: the lean meats. Be smart. Quit eating the sugar. You know, 237 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 2: Cut the alcohol. Sorry, no, you guys have cut the alcohol. 238 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 2: That's right. It doesn't have to be to zero. Don't 239 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 2: be extreme. Don't be tempted by any of the super 240 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 2: extreme diets I mentioned one, you know, the carnivore concept. 241 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:12,680 Speaker 2: A lot of them are just remixtures of diets that 242 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 2: have been around for a long time. Anyway, there's basically 243 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 2: no new news in our physiology, our biochemistry, or the 244 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 2: diet of human beings. There are new ways to package 245 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 2: it and make it sound sexy or interesting or new 246 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 2: or trendy or a fad. We haven't really learned anything 247 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 2: massively earth shattering about the need for your diet and 248 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 2: nutrition in a very long time. We just have to 249 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 2: keep teaching each other how to implement it. So I 250 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 2: don't like a lot of cow dairy in the diet 251 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 2: that much. I can say. People hate to hear that, 252 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 2: because everybody likes their cheese and it's easy, and most 253 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 2: women say, oh, but cottage cheese has protein, and Swiss 254 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 2: cheese has protein. And I like my yogurt and things 255 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 2: like this, but that is saturated animal fat also, so 256 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 2: I would I would limit my dairy. Uh, it doesn't 257 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 2: have to be zero, but that would be a favorite. 258 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 2: Remembering too that many dairy products are highly processed, so 259 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 2: the more you get out of the ground. You mentioned superfoods, 260 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 2: those are some of the faves. Some of them are 261 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 2: kind of hard to eat. I don't know how much 262 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 2: kale you can eat, but if you can do it, 263 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 2: do it. I do. And you know what another thing 264 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 2: about food, like I don't like all the superfoods and 265 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 2: foods that I recommend and that I eat. I admit it. 266 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 2: I don't like it all. I just do it. Like 267 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 2: are we grown ups? Just like I don't know, hold 268 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 2: your nose eat the broccoli. I don't know. I mean, really, 269 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 2: I didn't grow up on fish. I grew up in 270 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 2: the Midwest. We didn't eat a bunch. Yeah, I didn't 271 00:15:57,320 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 2: eat a bunch of salmon. 272 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 1: I have struggled with that, but I'd love that. You 273 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 1: just guess I grew up in the Midwest, moved stuff. 274 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 1: But yes, my whole all my family is from right 275 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 1: around where you are, and we did not grow up 276 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 1: with seafood. And I have struggled with that. And I 277 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 1: watched TJ just devour seafood and I'm jealous because it's 278 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 1: hard for me. 279 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, you can train your palette. We can. Adults have to. Literally, 280 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 2: I mean I've sat in front of patients a million 281 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 2: times and in the Midwest and their idea and this 282 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 2: is no disrespect. Okay. I grew up on like fish sticks, 283 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 2: do you remember that? Yeah, what I thought was fish 284 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 2: like in the box with the sticks fishmen. 285 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 1: Yes, Catholic. On Fridays, I went to the Catholic school 286 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 1: elementary school. We had fish stick Fridays, and I think 287 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 1: it continuded to my dislike of seafood. 288 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 2: That's so funny. And then I feel like, I don't know, 289 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 2: maybe once in a while, like bass from the lake 290 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 2: or something like that, Right, people fished and I didn't 291 00:16:57,320 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 2: know what you didn't know what the heck you were eating, 292 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 2: and kids don't like that stuff in But as a 293 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 2: grown up, just train your palette, and sometimes you're not 294 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:09,399 Speaker 2: gonna like it all, Like I've taught myself how to 295 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:12,480 Speaker 2: how to I may not love it, but how to 296 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:18,160 Speaker 2: eat those quality fatty fishes. They're really really critical. They're 297 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:22,160 Speaker 2: also really critical for your brain. That's got invatory. They're 298 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 2: incredibly important for your brain. All right, got a question, 299 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 2: I see it. 300 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:38,399 Speaker 4: Yeah, you got to help me here, And well, I 301 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 4: know habits, bad habits are very very hard to break, 302 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:44,360 Speaker 4: even though they're very easy to make. But you're sounding 303 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:48,200 Speaker 4: like that so much resistance that people taking care of 304 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 4: their own health is simply I don't like how that 305 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:51,360 Speaker 4: food tastes. 306 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:52,919 Speaker 3: Are you? 307 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:56,399 Speaker 4: Really do you find so much resistance as someone taking 308 00:17:56,440 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 4: care of themselves? Is that that argument? It doesn't sound 309 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 4: like one to be sympathetic to, like, Okay, you want 310 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 4: to be like this and risk a heart attack just 311 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:08,200 Speaker 4: because you don't like asparagus? 312 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 1: Right? 313 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:10,440 Speaker 3: That kind of thing? Is that? 314 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:14,399 Speaker 4: Really a massive challenge is getting people to get out 315 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:16,639 Speaker 4: of a habit of just eating bad stuff. 316 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:19,879 Speaker 2: Have you looked to do it? Have you seen the 317 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 2: rate of obesity in our country? 318 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 4: But Doc, we're told oftentimes that folks can't help it 319 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 4: because of this, they have this health problem, this health problem. 320 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:34,879 Speaker 4: I often find that in the conversation. We're trying to 321 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 4: be sensitive, and I understand that, but so much often 322 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 4: is the responsibility is not lying at the feet of 323 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:45,639 Speaker 4: that person who might be unhealthy. It's something else going on. 324 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:47,679 Speaker 4: So I'm asking you, as a doctor, when you're in 325 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 4: that room with them, is it really sometimes that simple? 326 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 3: You can't get people to change something. 327 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 4: As simple as what you put in your mouth. 328 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 2: It's true, change is hard. These are ingrained habits. These 329 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:06,680 Speaker 2: are habits that we grew up with. It tastes good, 330 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:12,399 Speaker 2: it provides you pleasure and enjoyment. Also cost right, also 331 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:15,960 Speaker 2: eat or speed you're shopping quickly, you don't have time 332 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 2: to go to the farmer's market. I'm telling you behind doors, 333 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 2: when you're when you're really speaking one on one to 334 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 2: a human being who's trying to change their health. No, 335 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 2: they don't just say okay, Doc, give me the list, 336 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:29,159 Speaker 2: I'll eat all that stuff, great, no problem, then they 337 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:33,399 Speaker 2: walk out the door. No, it's a successive approximation and 338 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 2: gradual learning. They need help, they need coaching. They know 339 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:41,639 Speaker 2: you're kind of saying, come on, doctor, Stacy, why do 340 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 2: we need a clinical nutritionist or a functional medicine doctor 341 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 2: when we know to eat our broccoli. We know to 342 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 2: eat our kale, and we know to eat lean meats. 343 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:50,959 Speaker 2: People do know. I think they know, they know the basics. 344 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:54,959 Speaker 2: Most people know some base line, you know, fresh fruits 345 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:58,120 Speaker 2: and vegetables. They want to know other specifics like what 346 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:00,680 Speaker 2: oils should I cook with? That one's kind of complex 347 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 2: and confusing. What meats our best? That one, I think 348 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 2: is a little complex for people. What nutrients are in 349 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:09,959 Speaker 2: what foods? Those are a little more sciencey and you 350 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 2: sort of need to teach. But you're just asking that 351 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:16,880 Speaker 2: core basic diet. Is it hard to change? Yes, Your 352 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 2: palate becomes a custom you become accustomed to where creatures 353 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 2: of habit. We buy the same things at the store, 354 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:28,680 Speaker 2: We do the same routine. Everybody's busy. You want to 355 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 2: buy a lot of processed food and a lot of 356 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:33,920 Speaker 2: frozen foods. So really, what I'm saying about eating true 357 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 2: fresh things that come from the ground as nature intended, 358 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 2: I'm asking you not to buy things in boxes. That's 359 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 2: really hard. I think that's really hard for average Americans. 360 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 2: Look at the carts, right, what are people put in 361 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:49,679 Speaker 2: their carts? Look around the store next tide when you 362 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 2: go and just running it now you guys might just 363 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 2: do the more usual, the smarter thing, which is to 364 00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:58,159 Speaker 2: shop more frequently. 365 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:02,119 Speaker 3: What we do we do. 366 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:04,360 Speaker 1: There's nothing a freezer, nothing except for ice. 367 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 2: That's awesome. So here, look in your pantry, if you 368 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 2: and look in your freezer. Those are the two. Like 369 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 2: if I did a television show, you know what I 370 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 2: would do, I would like raid people's houses and go 371 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 2: go let them, let me open their refrigerator and their freezer, 372 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:23,160 Speaker 2: and let me open their pantry. 373 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 1: I've watched that show. Because so if you what would 374 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 1: you throw out in someone's refrigerator? What would you throw out? 375 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:32,439 Speaker 2: Well, I would get rid of a lot. I mean, 376 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:34,959 Speaker 2: it's the pantry that I'm more worried about. The refrigerator 377 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:36,639 Speaker 2: would sort of yeah, it's the pantry that I'm more 378 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:40,960 Speaker 2: worried about. It's the crackers and the cookies and the breads, 379 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 2: and the box foods and the box meals that they're 380 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 2: going to mix with something, the packets of things that 381 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 2: have all the chemicals that they're going to mix with 382 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:50,639 Speaker 2: the meat or maybe whatever. I don't even know some 383 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 2: of that stuff anymore. Refrigerator is more of a telltale 384 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 2: from a you know that one. I just want to 385 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 2: see if there's fresh I want to see if there's 386 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:05,920 Speaker 2: actually if there are actually fresh fruits and vegetables in there. 387 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 2: You sodas, I mean, that's where you're gonna put the sodas. 388 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 2: That's whe're gonna put all the the additives and the condiments, 389 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:15,879 Speaker 2: and depending which you know, which ones are good and 390 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:18,119 Speaker 2: which ones are not so great, that's where you're gonna 391 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:20,679 Speaker 2: stuff all the pickles. I don't know, you know, just 392 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:23,480 Speaker 2: I don't know any quick grab kind of things. But 393 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:26,160 Speaker 2: there can be good things in the refrigerator as well. 394 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 2: But and the freezer too. Part of what I would 395 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:33,960 Speaker 2: be looking at is how old things are. Yeah, people 396 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 2: leave stuff in their fridge that couldn't be eaten. 397 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:43,440 Speaker 3: You put it in a way, and I think it 398 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 3: helped me and maybe helped a lot of other people. 399 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:49,680 Speaker 4: When you see it from the perspective you just gave 400 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 4: as a doctor, as not someone who is medically necessarily 401 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 4: going to help you lose weight. You all are counselors. 402 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 4: You counsel people through what they need to be doing. 403 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 4: I think looking at it that way versus I think 404 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 4: a lot of people do. Think a person who's having 405 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:05,640 Speaker 4: a weight prop goes to a doctor, give me the medicine, 406 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:07,480 Speaker 4: help me lose the weight. And certainly in this day 407 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:10,399 Speaker 4: and time, people are taking injections and losing weight. So 408 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:13,680 Speaker 4: thank you. You put that in a way that makes 409 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 4: it make more sense of how maybe we should be 410 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:18,919 Speaker 4: viewing doctors as counselors. 411 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 3: Especially who are helping people on this. So thank you. 412 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:21,960 Speaker 3: That makes perfect sense to me. 413 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:24,439 Speaker 2: You're welcome. That's what we all thought we were in 414 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 2: school for, and then unfortunately we all learned that we 415 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:29,640 Speaker 2: really weren't in school to learn how to truly take 416 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 2: care of people. I can remember the moment. I can 417 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 2: remember the moment in medical school where I went, oh, 418 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:38,160 Speaker 2: crime many and you sort of look around the room 419 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:39,879 Speaker 2: and you know, you're all there thinking you're going to 420 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 2: take care of people. And I asked a question about 421 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 2: nutrition and it was a very softball question. It wasn't 422 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 2: something radical, and I got the doctor because they're calling 423 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 2: you doctor before your doctor. We are here to learn 424 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 2: about pharmaceuticals and surgery. That is what will be in 425 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:05,200 Speaker 2: your toolkit. And I just remember thinking, oh, okay, here 426 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 2: we go. And you know what that does. It chills you. 427 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 2: It puts us silence over your thoughts of what if, well, 428 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,439 Speaker 2: what else aren't I supposed to? Aren't I here just 429 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:20,639 Speaker 2: to help human beings in whatever tools we have. I 430 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 2: mean I remember walking in and feeling it did it 431 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:26,160 Speaker 2: really matter what we were going to offer people, as 432 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:29,720 Speaker 2: long as it was what worked and what they needed 433 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:34,200 Speaker 2: and what helped them. You are very correct. You take 434 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,960 Speaker 2: me down another road and we're on breast cancer today. 435 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 2: But we don't have enough time in the healthcare system 436 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 2: to counsel, as you just stated, we should have more time. 437 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 2: That is our job, because I believe most human beings 438 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:53,440 Speaker 2: intuitively understand their health. They understand a lot of what's 439 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 2: going on. They do a lot of reading their bodies. 440 00:24:56,000 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 2: Are very intelligent beings, and they just need the extra help. 441 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,359 Speaker 2: And it takes a little bit of time, and it 442 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:07,480 Speaker 2: takes tailoring to your individual needs and those quiet conversations 443 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,120 Speaker 2: like when you were sort of shocked about the asparagus. 444 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 2: They're only gonna tell me that, probably like a one 445 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:16,360 Speaker 2: on one private moment, right, They're not going to tell 446 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,320 Speaker 2: me some of the embarrassing things like doc, like they're 447 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,800 Speaker 2: not gonna tell all their friends they're confused what fish 448 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:25,160 Speaker 2: to eat, or I hate asparagus or I mean, I've 449 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:28,639 Speaker 2: got people that eat baby food. There's all kinds of 450 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:32,560 Speaker 2: food disorders out there, and they only really bubble up 451 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 2: when you're in a very when they're safe, when people 452 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 2: are safe to speak about it. And speaking of that 453 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:44,120 Speaker 2: includes these breast cancer screenings. And I was curious, Amy, 454 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 2: you felt you'd waited too long to do your screening, 455 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 2: but you were only forty. Did you sense that you 456 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:52,359 Speaker 2: had low risk? 457 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 1: Oh? Absolutely so. I had been given my prescription to 458 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 1: get a mammogram when I was thirty nine by my obgyn, 459 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 1: and they had just changed that time the recommendations to 460 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,879 Speaker 1: fifty if you had no family history. I have a 461 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 1: very large family. My mom's one of nine, my dad's 462 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 1: one of six zero breast cancer diagnoses in my family 463 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 1: at that point. So it was completely the last thing 464 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 1: on my mind. So I deliberately threw away my prescription. 465 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,199 Speaker 1: I lost it and I couldn't find it, and said, eh, 466 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,639 Speaker 1: I'll do it in ten years. And if I hadn't 467 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 1: been given the assignment for work, I would not have 468 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 1: gotten a mammogram period. I felt like I was perfectly healthy, 469 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,399 Speaker 1: look and I did not eat well. I will be 470 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:39,680 Speaker 1: fully honest, I just always happened to be naturally thin. 471 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:41,680 Speaker 1: I worked out, and I felt like I could eat 472 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 1: what I wanted, and I didn't have good habits. And 473 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 1: it wasn't until later after my treatment was done where 474 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,399 Speaker 1: I was feeling scared and secure and fragile, like what 475 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 1: else could I should I be doing? But no one, 476 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 1: I have to be honest, and I had great care 477 00:26:56,840 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 1: and amazing doctors, but no one is focused on your nutrition. 478 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,359 Speaker 1: Known is focused on what you're putting in your body. 479 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 1: They're focused on putting chemo in you and other drugs 480 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,200 Speaker 1: and medicines that I'm grateful for that help me get 481 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 1: me to where I am now. But there was no 482 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:16,160 Speaker 1: discussion about food. I heard drink less. But short of that, 483 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 1: we really don't talk to cancer patients or frankly, most 484 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 1: people don't get a full understanding when they go in 485 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:27,679 Speaker 1: for their annual, if they even go in for their annual, 486 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,439 Speaker 1: about what to eat and what not to eat, And 487 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 1: so I'm just always so fascinated that wouldn't that be 488 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,719 Speaker 1: one of the major focuses. You would think, what's the 489 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:37,919 Speaker 1: one thing we can all do that we have total 490 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 1: control over, And that's what we consume how we fuel 491 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 1: our bodies. 492 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:46,199 Speaker 2: Well, you just stated my entire profession that is one 493 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 2: of the very few things that we have control over 494 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:52,120 Speaker 2: what we actually put in our mouth. And you also 495 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 2: were just making me giggle inside because I was thinking 496 00:27:55,160 --> 00:28:00,200 Speaker 2: to myself, do you guys have pets, dog, cats, whatever? 497 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:01,160 Speaker 1: Yes? Yes. 498 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,440 Speaker 2: When you take your dog to the vet and they're 499 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 2: sick and mystery sickness, let's say I personally, in my experience, 500 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:13,119 Speaker 2: the first thing the vet asks you, it's what are 501 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 2: they eating? That's true, the first question short of that 502 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:20,160 Speaker 2: they're bleeding or something, you know, trauma. But if it's 503 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 2: this mystery illness, what are you feeding your puppy? What 504 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 2: are you feeding your dog? It's the first thing we 505 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,720 Speaker 2: talk about with an infant who can't speak with us. Right, 506 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:32,920 Speaker 2: are they eating? Are they eat are they digesting? Well? 507 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 2: Are they going to the bathroom? Are they doing this? 508 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:35,920 Speaker 2: Are they doing that? Or how long does it take 509 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 2: them to eat? Same thing with the puppy or the dog. 510 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 2: But you go into a person physician and I don't 511 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 2: what is the first question, where's your insurance card? Basically 512 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 2: I don't know. Let's the wallet biopsy as we call it. 513 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:55,480 Speaker 2: But I'm giving I'm giving you a little the darker 514 00:28:55,560 --> 00:29:00,040 Speaker 2: side of medicine here. And then the second question, and 515 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 2: it's sort of like, why are you here right? What 516 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 2: what brought you in today? And that's fine, that's a 517 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,440 Speaker 2: that's a lovely first. That is what we should ask 518 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,480 Speaker 2: you. You know, what were you thinking about that brought you 519 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 2: in to see us today. That's that's a very open 520 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 2: ended question. You're going to share what's going on for you, 521 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:21,080 Speaker 2: but almost never in that entire conversation. Are you going 522 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:24,760 Speaker 2: to get what are you eating? Tell me about your digestion? 523 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 2: I mean you might, you could be with a gas 524 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 2: cerentrologist and things like this. But I'm being funny because 525 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,760 Speaker 2: it's it really should be the number one. Are you sleeping? 526 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 2: What are you eating? How are you feeling? What brings 527 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:41,000 Speaker 2: you in today? What's your stress level? That's what I 528 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 2: want to know first out of the gate, short of 529 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 2: your you're not bleeding? You know, That's what's all different question. 530 00:29:50,240 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 1: And I know that you are a part of some 531 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 1: cutting edge studies that you are a part of in 532 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:08,120 Speaker 1: terms of cancer research. One of them involves prebiotic fiber 533 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:12,719 Speaker 1: and uchinia treatments. Others acupuncture along with chemotherapy that prevents 534 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 1: nerve damage with early stage brest cancer patients. I mean, 535 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,480 Speaker 1: these are things that you know, we have to as 536 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 1: patients go try to find on the internet. But there 537 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,400 Speaker 1: is I have not seen or heard from someone who 538 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:28,640 Speaker 1: there are some holistic approaches to cancer, but it's it's 539 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 1: few and far between, and so you are actually finding 540 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:41,440 Speaker 1: some real connections between some non traditional medicines and treating cancers. 541 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:45,160 Speaker 1: We are where are we field? But we don't have enough. 542 00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 2: We don't have enough. It's a complicated terrain because a 543 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,240 Speaker 2: lot of it is in the field that I like 544 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 2: to call wisdom medicine, or that's kind of the wisdom 545 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:56,120 Speaker 2: that's been passed down through the ages from family member 546 00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,160 Speaker 2: to family member, friend to friend to friend, and some 547 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:03,440 Speaker 2: of them are extremely value Integrative cancer research is complicated 548 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 2: because it breaks down into several realms more or less. 549 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 2: In decades past, it's kind of been the last ditch 550 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:13,960 Speaker 2: efforts that people often win to other countries to find 551 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:18,960 Speaker 2: other treatments. It wasn't terribly safe, you didn't necessarily know 552 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,960 Speaker 2: what it was. I actually worked with an organization called 553 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:26,320 Speaker 2: the Gateway for Cancer Research that we specifically seek out 554 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:33,200 Speaker 2: integrative medicine cancer oriented treatments, and we also do traditional 555 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 2: at the bedside clinical phase one treatment. So we try 556 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 2: to balance about seventy percent traditional therapies that we fund, 557 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 2: but we still want them to be extremely avant garde. 558 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:47,280 Speaker 2: We want to fund therapies that typically would not get 559 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:50,520 Speaker 2: funded even when they're say a chemotherapy or a surgery 560 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 2: or a radiation or a device. But we apply thirty 561 00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 2: percent of our funds in search and finding integrative oriented 562 00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 2: cancer trials. And that can be for the treatment of 563 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:06,000 Speaker 2: the primary disease, that can be to ease the side 564 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:09,880 Speaker 2: effects of treatment of the primary disease. Those therapies could 565 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:14,160 Speaker 2: be something that we're trying to prevent a recurrence. And honestly, 566 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:19,680 Speaker 2: you know what, I feel, integrative therapies really shine in 567 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 2: secondary prevention, meaning your case amy you don't want to 568 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,720 Speaker 2: get where you were again. The reason I think those 569 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:32,360 Speaker 2: therapies really shine post treatment is when you're deep in 570 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:36,360 Speaker 2: your original treatment, you really have to focus right. You're 571 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 2: going through a lot. It could be surgery, it could 572 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,480 Speaker 2: be radiation. You're thinking about a lot of things. It's 573 00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:45,040 Speaker 2: not easy to add complex therapies on top of that. 574 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:49,280 Speaker 2: We can add what I call adjunctive that ease you're suffering, 575 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,920 Speaker 2: ease your pain, help your body tolerate the treatments, and 576 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,680 Speaker 2: here are some examples. Vitamin C is just I consider 577 00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 2: it almost magic. So one of the studies we worked 578 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:03,680 Speaker 2: on was pre treading vitamin C before chemotherapy. Loading up 579 00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:08,360 Speaker 2: vitamin C IV before your chemotherapy treatment will ease the 580 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:12,520 Speaker 2: chemotherapy side effects a whole heck of a lot like 581 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:17,040 Speaker 2: it is game changing, transformational, never heard that before. That's 582 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:20,800 Speaker 2: a really really critical one we do. We are utilizing 583 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:24,840 Speaker 2: acupuncture and studying acupuncture as well for neuropathy, which, as 584 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,680 Speaker 2: you know, is a common side effect post radiation for 585 00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,640 Speaker 2: alt forms of cancers, but particularly breast cancer. It's a 586 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:35,520 Speaker 2: real bugaboo and utilizing acupuncture, but we could utilize acupuncture 587 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:39,040 Speaker 2: also for pain management. We could utilize it for stimulating 588 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,520 Speaker 2: those nerves to bring them back to life. Essentially, that's 589 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,040 Speaker 2: what neuropathy means, sort of the death of the small nerves, 590 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:48,520 Speaker 2: and we can utilize acupunctures to stimulate the improvement and 591 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,440 Speaker 2: health of those nerves. Candidly, it's been around for four 592 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:55,240 Speaker 2: or five thousand years. Acupuncture, well, you know it's sometimes 593 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:56,560 Speaker 2: I'm like, why do I why do we have to 594 00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:58,120 Speaker 2: study this? Why don't we just do it? 595 00:33:58,520 --> 00:33:58,600 Speaker 1: Like? 596 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,440 Speaker 2: Are we hurting anybody? It's not that expensive, we know 597 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,400 Speaker 2: how to do it, we know how it works. But 598 00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:09,560 Speaker 2: everybody likes to study. Everybody likes research, and it's my field. 599 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:11,960 Speaker 2: I know. That's why I can make fun of it. So, yes, 600 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:16,120 Speaker 2: we do have acupuncture trials going on as well. We 601 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:20,279 Speaker 2: have evaluations in trace minerals like copper that relates to 602 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:25,239 Speaker 2: we've found copper depletions in triple negative breast cancers, so 603 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:30,720 Speaker 2: we've learned that the lower copper values can actually trigger 604 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:34,640 Speaker 2: those cancers to occur. And that goes back to the soil. 605 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:39,880 Speaker 2: You mentioned another one. We said ac vitamin C, prebiotic 606 00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:45,600 Speaker 2: fiber was another. Not just I just just mind your microbiome. 607 00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:49,400 Speaker 2: Let's like, do ten shows on that? Sorry? Ten shows 608 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:51,359 Speaker 2: on your microbiome. I just have to say, mind your 609 00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:56,960 Speaker 2: microbiome in your health in general. For cancer, it's extremely 610 00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:00,360 Speaker 2: critical as well, because that is your immune system that 611 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,560 Speaker 2: is protecting and stimulating eighty percent of the immune function 612 00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,760 Speaker 2: in your body. We would be insane to not protect 613 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:11,560 Speaker 2: our microbiome in cancer prevention. During cancer treatment and for 614 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:13,680 Speaker 2: prevention of secondary occurrence. 615 00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,600 Speaker 1: Doctor Sacy. In terms of that, what is there one 616 00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,600 Speaker 1: thing or two things that you should everyone should add 617 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,600 Speaker 1: into their diet, whether you're a cancer patient, survivor or not, 618 00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,520 Speaker 1: that contributes to gut health. 619 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:27,960 Speaker 2: You know, I think an easy thing if you just 620 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:29,680 Speaker 2: want to go, okay, I'm going to do this, I'm 621 00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:31,400 Speaker 2: going to give you two and that is take a 622 00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:36,560 Speaker 2: fiber supplement. It tastes grows sorry, sorry TJ. They don't 623 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:40,720 Speaker 2: taste very good. Just hold your nose, okay, But anyway, 624 00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:43,040 Speaker 2: take a fiber. You can take them in pills too. 625 00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:44,360 Speaker 2: By the way, you don't have to drink them, but 626 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,160 Speaker 2: it's nice to drink them because you get the hydration. 627 00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,360 Speaker 2: So I'm a fan of any vitamin A nutrient that 628 00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:52,080 Speaker 2: is in a liquid. I love liquids, I love shakes, 629 00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:54,359 Speaker 2: I love drinks. I love powders that are in water 630 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,000 Speaker 2: because guess what, you get the water too. Because I'm 631 00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:01,319 Speaker 2: somebody that doesn't get that thirsty get to drink. With 632 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,319 Speaker 2: all my knowledge and all that I work in this, 633 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:05,719 Speaker 2: I have to force myself to make sure and get 634 00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:09,960 Speaker 2: that water in as well. So taking my nutrients or 635 00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:13,000 Speaker 2: vitamins or amino acids or fiber or even a powdered 636 00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:16,600 Speaker 2: vitamin C in a liquid helps me because then I 637 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:20,160 Speaker 2: get two focuses, right, I'm doing the nutrients and the 638 00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:24,839 Speaker 2: second one is I really do support taking probiotics. These days, 639 00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,600 Speaker 2: it doesn't have to be all that complicated. You can 640 00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:34,480 Speaker 2: take a basic, fairly inexpensive Acidophilus ambifitous general broad spectrum probiotic. 641 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,920 Speaker 2: They're not that expensive. There was a time where I 642 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:41,719 Speaker 2: had to be really really specific with the prescribing of 643 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,560 Speaker 2: one for like your general health. We really don't need 644 00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,320 Speaker 2: to be quite as specific anymore. It's grown so much. 645 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:53,120 Speaker 2: The availability is safer. It's you know, I could give 646 00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:58,000 Speaker 2: you fifteen brands that I support, but really getting it 647 00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:01,600 Speaker 2: down is really really important. And choose something that is 648 00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:05,480 Speaker 2: well decently within your budget at a quality type store, 649 00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,080 Speaker 2: and you'll do okay on the On the probiotic, I'm 650 00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:13,040 Speaker 2: a big probiotic fan. Those are those are critical. It's 651 00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,800 Speaker 2: just really hard to get those things in your food anymore. 652 00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:18,879 Speaker 2: I don't want to age myself, but you know, twenty 653 00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:20,720 Speaker 2: years ago I might have worked with you a little 654 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,200 Speaker 2: more to get it all in your diet. I might 655 00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:24,640 Speaker 2: if you like came to me and you were one 656 00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:26,839 Speaker 2: of those people that went, oh, Doc, I don't want 657 00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:30,400 Speaker 2: to take any vitamins. That's stupid, and people do. I 658 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:32,640 Speaker 2: want to get it from my food, and I just 659 00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:34,479 Speaker 2: I just really want to do it that way. Can't 660 00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:37,080 Speaker 2: you get vitamins from your food? And I go, yeah, 661 00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:41,160 Speaker 2: you can. It's really hard anymore, and you're gonna have 662 00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:44,319 Speaker 2: to work really hard at it. So I would take 663 00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:50,440 Speaker 2: the easy route guarantee. I mean, you want your food quality, 664 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,760 Speaker 2: do your best, but guess what the vitamins, the nutrients, 665 00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,839 Speaker 2: the fiber that I mentioned, the taking your your probiotics 666 00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:02,680 Speaker 2: to inhabit your microbiome insurance policy, that just layers on 667 00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,000 Speaker 2: the guarantee. I mean I eat very well and I 668 00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:08,160 Speaker 2: still take all the nutrients. 669 00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,000 Speaker 1: That's good to hear. We had someone once tell us 670 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,239 Speaker 1: that it just makes for expensive p so. 671 00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:18,319 Speaker 2: I know everybody says that, and oh god, it drives 672 00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:23,440 Speaker 2: me crazy. Like if you said to me, Doc, I 673 00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:29,160 Speaker 2: only have fifty dollars a month for spare for my vitamins. 674 00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:33,200 Speaker 2: That's my budget, I could do it. I could give 675 00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:36,160 Speaker 2: you the really like type that's not very much. I mean, 676 00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:39,200 Speaker 2: that's tough. That's tough. We're probably in a multi vitamin 677 00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:43,360 Speaker 2: and an EPA, DHA and maybe a probiotic. That probably 678 00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,680 Speaker 2: is about what you could do. But by the way, 679 00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:51,600 Speaker 2: I would still do it. Do you eliminate vitamins in 680 00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:55,160 Speaker 2: your urine? Yes? Of course, you use what you can 681 00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:57,200 Speaker 2: use and you eliminate the rest. Same with your food. 682 00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:00,400 Speaker 2: I don't know. I love I don't know. 683 00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:05,080 Speaker 1: No, I appreciate it. I love this empowerment and the 684 00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:06,759 Speaker 1: fact that you can because I always felt like I 685 00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,719 Speaker 1: was cheating by taking a supplements that it's very cool 686 00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:11,560 Speaker 1: to hear. I want to make sure we get in. 687 00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:14,640 Speaker 1: This is our last question for you. You have. This 688 00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:17,080 Speaker 1: is people are going to be listening to this while 689 00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:20,520 Speaker 1: your gala is probably in full swing here, but your 690 00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:25,040 Speaker 1: thirty fourth Annual Cures Gala this weekend in Illinois, and 691 00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:30,399 Speaker 1: you spotlight the urgency of patient centered cancer research. Why 692 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,680 Speaker 1: is this such an important weekend for you? And just 693 00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:35,560 Speaker 1: give us a sense of of what you hope to accomplish. 694 00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,400 Speaker 2: Well, thank you for letting me talk about that for 695 00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,520 Speaker 2: a moment. We are we're upcoming this weekend for our 696 00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:45,160 Speaker 2: one of our two largest annual fundraisers. We like to 697 00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:47,640 Speaker 2: do it in the month of October. We raise funds 698 00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,759 Speaker 2: for phase one clinical cancer care trials and what that 699 00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,879 Speaker 2: means is they go directly to the bedside. We are 700 00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:59,560 Speaker 2: an organization that funds directly from a trial to a 701 00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:02,799 Speaker 2: human The trials have to be ready to go to 702 00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:06,239 Speaker 2: a human being and they are just awaiting funding. Other 703 00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:09,400 Speaker 2: types of organizations fund earlier phases. We are at that 704 00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,239 Speaker 2: spot where the person desperately needs the treatment. This is 705 00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:16,600 Speaker 2: probably their last resort, and we are scouring and taking 706 00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:23,239 Speaker 2: in applications every single day from researchers internationally actually and 707 00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,440 Speaker 2: looking to fund the best and the brightest that we 708 00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,520 Speaker 2: can possibly find that have patients available and ready to 709 00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:32,120 Speaker 2: have their treatment. And that takes money, and that's what 710 00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:35,160 Speaker 2: we'll be doing this weekend and hopefully bringing in as 711 00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,840 Speaker 2: much as we possibly can. Fundraising, of course goes on 712 00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:42,800 Speaker 2: all the time, but events create this wonderful space where 713 00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:45,840 Speaker 2: we can highlight a patient who's received our care. We 714 00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:47,759 Speaker 2: will be talking and bringing in a patient of ours 715 00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:51,160 Speaker 2: that's received life changing care and he will be sharing 716 00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:55,200 Speaker 2: his story. It brings people together. We all share in 717 00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:58,360 Speaker 2: that one cause. I really deeply believe in that community 718 00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:03,040 Speaker 2: aspect of funding, it's very critical. Certainly you can fundraise 719 00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,000 Speaker 2: without getting together, but it's a whole heck of a 720 00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:10,240 Speaker 2: lot more meaningful when you see survivors, family members, people 721 00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:13,479 Speaker 2: that have received care, donors that want to fund the care. 722 00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,440 Speaker 2: Bringing them all together in one cause is what we'll 723 00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:17,320 Speaker 2: be doing this weekend. 724 00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:21,680 Speaker 1: Well, doctor Stacy Stevenson, thank you for all that you do. 725 00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,719 Speaker 1: We appreciate I loved your frank talk too, by the way, 726 00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:28,919 Speaker 1: it was wonderful to hear just speaking like the rest 727 00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:31,720 Speaker 1: of us do. I understood everything you said. 728 00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:32,920 Speaker 3: I didn't. 729 00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:36,400 Speaker 2: I tried not to do too much jargon. 730 00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,360 Speaker 1: No, but a lot of this is empowering. You know, 731 00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,600 Speaker 1: we can talk personal responsibility, but it's also empowering. And 732 00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:47,720 Speaker 1: the research you're doing is having a real life impact 733 00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,920 Speaker 1: on folks feeling like they can do something to do better, 734 00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:54,120 Speaker 1: to be better, to live better, and to feel stronger. 735 00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:56,759 Speaker 1: So thank you. We wish you the best in your 736 00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:00,480 Speaker 1: fundraising efforts this weekend, and really appreciate you being on 737 00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:01,399 Speaker 1: the podcast with us. 738 00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,759 Speaker 2: Thank you, nice meeting you. Congratulations. I should have said 739 00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:09,719 Speaker 2: that at the top I heard the fabulous news and 740 00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,200 Speaker 2: a beautiful ring. I'm a yellow I'm a yellow diamond 741 00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:16,480 Speaker 2: girl too. Thank you job, good job, TJ, good job. 742 00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:19,680 Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you.