WEBVTT - Hangin' with the 'Boys: How Big Is It? 0:00:03.680 --> 0:00:06.120 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:06.160 --> 0:00:07.720 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. 0:00:10.039 --> 0:00:19.080 Cowboys blowing out of the backfield, the explowing down the sidelines. 0:00:19.320 --> 0:00:23.320 This he is Hanging with the Boys, presented by wing 0:00:23.480 --> 0:00:28.560 Stuff where Flavor gets its wings. Now your hosts Nate Newton, 0:00:28.880 --> 0:00:36.599 Kurt Daniels, Jesse Holly, and Shannon Gross. 0:00:40.159 --> 0:00:45.360 Tuesday, looking live at Tostitos Championship Plaza outside Fort Center 0:00:45.400 --> 0:00:46.800 at the Star of Frisco, where it. 0:00:46.880 --> 0:00:50.240 Is a nice eighty eight degrees. The hog today is 0:00:50.320 --> 0:00:53.360 ninety one. The load tonight is seventy one. 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I'm 0:01:22.560 --> 0:01:23.640 so glad I don't have to feel that. 0:01:23.680 --> 0:01:27.040 Team call us eight eight eight eight five five two 0:01:27.040 --> 0:01:27.880 two nine seven. 0:01:28.000 --> 0:01:32.080 Tell us how you're feeling today segment is brought to you. 0:01:33.080 --> 0:01:35.120 The whole show is brought to you by Wingstyle. We 0:01:35.160 --> 0:01:36.760 need to work on some wing style. I need to 0:01:36.800 --> 0:01:37.399 get some of that in. 0:01:37.640 --> 0:01:42.000 What flavor gets his from your brand. 0:01:42.080 --> 0:01:44.160 I still I still owe you guys wing Stop for 0:01:44.240 --> 0:01:46.280 what Muhammad paid for Wingstop a year ago. 0:01:47.280 --> 0:01:48.200 I still have the money. 0:01:48.240 --> 0:01:51.200 I just that got around to it. 0:01:51.840 --> 0:01:53.760 Yeah, Mohammed bought lunch about a year ago. I still 0:01:53.760 --> 0:01:55.000 have the money and just haven't. 0:01:55.240 --> 0:01:57.920 Well, thanks for waiting till I got back. It's about lunch. 0:01:58.240 --> 0:02:00.560 Oh yes, that's what That's what it was waiting for you. 0:02:00.640 --> 0:02:02.280 Thank you, and then you come back. 0:02:03.320 --> 0:02:06.120 Our signed it's in there that ain't hit. 0:02:06.840 --> 0:02:10.400 That's a load of tope back and saipe back and forth. 0:02:10.440 --> 0:02:11.919 So how are y'all today? 0:02:12.200 --> 0:02:14.560 I'm good, man, I'm good. I'm good. 0:02:14.720 --> 0:02:16.000 Yeah, yeah, Nate. 0:02:16.360 --> 0:02:19.680 Oh Man, I am well. I'm excited. I'm super good. 0:02:19.720 --> 0:02:23.280 I'm waiting for these callers. I love y'all. Hey, I'm 0:02:23.320 --> 0:02:25.560 telling you what like I don't. It's probably never going 0:02:25.600 --> 0:02:26.079 to happen. 0:02:26.400 --> 0:02:28.880 But like if there was like like a pay per 0:02:29.000 --> 0:02:33.320 view subscription that you can buy for our show to 0:02:33.520 --> 0:02:36.480 get like the breaks and the pre the postgame conversations. 0:02:37.040 --> 0:02:40.080 M it would be some funny stuff, man, it would 0:02:40.080 --> 0:02:42.959 be it would be some funny fun let by Nate Newton. 0:02:43.000 --> 0:02:45.680 It would be led by Nate. It would be lead. 0:02:46.280 --> 0:02:51.040 If if the powers that be upstairs could separate that 0:02:51.200 --> 0:02:54.600 from you know what I'm saying, Yeah, because we. 0:02:55.080 --> 0:02:57.000 Yeah, pretty behind the wall or something. 0:02:57.200 --> 0:02:59.480 Yeah, but if they couldn't different, if they couldn't make 0:02:59.520 --> 0:03:04.760 their mind and say, this is the pay per view version, 0:03:04.840 --> 0:03:06.440 so it's separate from this version. 0:03:06.520 --> 0:03:09.200 We we would make it half a show before they. 0:03:09.160 --> 0:03:10.119 Jerked us off the air. 0:03:10.760 --> 0:03:14.440 Okay, there, you're gonna be starting. 0:03:16.760 --> 0:03:20.120 Subscription co host whole world. 0:03:20.680 --> 0:03:26.360 Geez, little, that's not what the show. 0:03:27.840 --> 0:03:29.360 Yeah, I remember what we're talking about before. 0:03:30.320 --> 0:03:32.080 Jeez, Jesse looking nice today. 0:03:32.160 --> 0:03:34.680 No wonder, your arms are looking a little strong over there, brother, 0:03:36.520 --> 0:03:40.160 right on, looking everything. 0:03:42.080 --> 0:03:45.240 You wanted. That thing pumped ump, No wonder. 0:03:46.640 --> 0:03:50.960 Get some phone calls her her, alright, the list I 0:03:51.000 --> 0:03:51.960 got calls when you need him. 0:03:52.000 --> 0:03:53.720 All right, let's do this first and then we'll go 0:03:53.720 --> 0:03:54.120 get them. 0:03:54.120 --> 0:03:54.720 We'll go call. 0:03:55.000 --> 0:03:58.840 No, we don't want to do that. Let me go 0:03:58.880 --> 0:03:59.839 take care of this real quick. 0:04:01.960 --> 0:04:05.720 Nate, your preseason is officially over. Yes, it is this. 0:04:09.600 --> 0:04:09.960 Week. 0:04:10.800 --> 0:04:14.480 What have you learned during pre season? Who is this team? 0:04:14.520 --> 0:04:15.600 Do they have an identity? 0:04:16.000 --> 0:04:18.200 What are they? Are they good? 0:04:18.200 --> 0:04:18.760 Are they bad? 0:04:18.880 --> 0:04:23.200 Or they just And y'all gonna laugh at me. We 0:04:24.120 --> 0:04:27.760 got four or five five starters on the offensive line. 0:04:27.880 --> 0:04:28.680 We're gonna be all right. 0:04:28.800 --> 0:04:32.240 We're good, We're good good. You know, it's easy for 0:04:32.320 --> 0:04:34.520 him to say that. Now he's seen the backups play 0:04:34.520 --> 0:04:34.920 and he's. 0:04:34.800 --> 0:04:39.240 Like, Okay, we're not terrible, not terrible, terrible coming, but. 0:04:42.480 --> 0:04:45.120 At this point do they need to just Tyron Smithster 0:04:45.240 --> 0:04:46.200 say okay. 0:04:46.800 --> 0:04:49.160 They brought it up and they spoke to Jerry this morning. 0:04:49.240 --> 0:04:51.840 They brought it up, and you know, Jerry, being the 0:04:51.880 --> 0:04:55.080 settleman that he is, he's still He's like, you know, 0:04:55.120 --> 0:05:00.839 the accent was Tyranne's injury history worth his productive in 0:05:01.480 --> 0:05:03.440 you know when he's on the field, And Jerry kind 0:05:03.440 --> 0:05:06.040 of basically said, like, you know, Tyron's our guy. 0:05:06.200 --> 0:05:08.120 Tyron is you know, he's. 0:05:07.680 --> 0:05:09.880 Still good and we you know, we look forward to 0:05:09.880 --> 0:05:10.520 having him back. 0:05:10.520 --> 0:05:12.200 But then he kind of said that Tyrann maybe if 0:05:12.200 --> 0:05:13.880 he to go this week. 0:05:13.960 --> 0:05:15.839 So you know, Jerry was jerrying when he came to 0:05:15.839 --> 0:05:19.520 the Tyron Smith situation. But I mean, we all have 0:05:19.600 --> 0:05:21.880 to come to the realization of what Tyron Smith is. 0:05:21.880 --> 0:05:24.560 Who Tyron Smith is and what he's done for us 0:05:24.560 --> 0:05:27.680 in the past has been phenomenal. But this version of 0:05:27.720 --> 0:05:30.440 Tyron Smith is just one that we truly can't trust. 0:05:30.800 --> 0:05:32.680 And I do want to get this shout out in 0:05:32.760 --> 0:05:38.080 before we even talking about offensive lineman. We we going 0:05:38.120 --> 0:05:39.640 back and forth and this is not you. I will say, 0:05:39.680 --> 0:05:43.320 you have been the one that has said this. Tyler 0:05:43.400 --> 0:05:48.919 Smith is coming on to being a stud. He is 0:05:48.960 --> 0:05:54.600 no stop asking. He is not playing left tackle too 0:05:54.600 --> 0:05:57.119 good where he's at, He's not playing left tackle not now. 0:05:57.320 --> 0:05:59.440 There has to be a dire emergency. 0:05:59.600 --> 0:06:02.960 He said. I think pullice. 0:06:02.680 --> 0:06:04.240 PFF grade up by the way, I. 0:06:04.240 --> 0:06:07.560 Think it was like a ninety last week. I think, yeah, he's. 0:06:07.400 --> 0:06:09.000 Overall grades like an eighty four. 0:06:09.279 --> 0:06:13.080 Yeah, I think I think they have found a home 0:06:13.120 --> 0:06:17.839 for him. And he has just been like driving dudes 0:06:18.040 --> 0:06:20.880 into the dirt and the way that he's playing with 0:06:20.880 --> 0:06:25.440 the aggression and once he gets his feet really kind 0:06:25.440 --> 0:06:29.200 of into this thing like fully to uproot him and 0:06:29.200 --> 0:06:31.120 then move him back outside, well, he kind of has 0:06:31.160 --> 0:06:34.240 to start the relearning process again because. 0:06:33.960 --> 0:06:35.960 And I should, I should let Nate speak to more 0:06:36.000 --> 0:06:36.120 of this. 0:06:37.600 --> 0:06:41.159 But when you talk about moving from guard, you're talking 0:06:41.200 --> 0:06:44.359 about now being able to operate in a small phone 0:06:44.440 --> 0:06:47.600 move type space to when you move to left tackle, 0:06:48.279 --> 0:06:50.760 that's more of an open area type space. 0:06:50.800 --> 0:06:57.080 Guys have more, more moves, more looping. Yeah, Tyler has, 0:06:56.720 --> 0:06:57.920 he's settled in. 0:06:58.040 --> 0:06:58.359 He is. 0:06:58.920 --> 0:07:01.560 He's kind of sunk his teeth into this thing and 0:07:01.640 --> 0:07:04.200 playing left guard, so you know, maybe the guards on 0:07:04.240 --> 0:07:07.440 either side if possible if something happens, but left guard 0:07:07.800 --> 0:07:10.680 you can start putting that, you start getting the chisel 0:07:10.680 --> 0:07:13.600 out and start etching out in stone. Tyler Smith is 0:07:13.600 --> 0:07:15.200 going to be your left guard going forward. 0:07:15.280 --> 0:07:19.320 What he gives you is what the butcher, Zach Martin 0:07:19.360 --> 0:07:23.120 gives you when you can don't push the mic away 0:07:23.920 --> 0:07:25.880 because I didn't want to punch the I am about 0:07:25.880 --> 0:07:29.640 to punch the mic and go ahead. It No, when 0:07:29.720 --> 0:07:33.960 you have a middle, a center, a center and a 0:07:34.000 --> 0:07:39.440 guard and a guard, you can stop if your feet 0:07:39.480 --> 0:07:40.840 is good enough, which his feet. 0:07:40.600 --> 0:07:43.360 Is good enough, zachs be honest is good enough. 0:07:43.520 --> 0:07:48.280 When you can't stop a dude from pushing you two yards, now, 0:07:48.520 --> 0:07:51.000 that sets it for your tackles to set out wider 0:07:51.480 --> 0:07:54.000 and that runs some defensive vent. Now, if he needs 0:07:54.000 --> 0:07:56.640 to step up and move to side either side, you 0:07:56.680 --> 0:08:00.680 are locked up and you've given him five yards today ants. 0:08:00.360 --> 0:08:01.480 With oh God forbid. 0:08:01.480 --> 0:08:03.480 If he decides to run the ball, then you got 0:08:03.520 --> 0:08:04.280 some rooms, right. 0:08:04.320 --> 0:08:08.000 But if you get knocked back three yards and it 0:08:08.160 --> 0:08:10.960 resets this thing, now it gives some less space to 0:08:10.960 --> 0:08:11.440 move around. 0:08:11.520 --> 0:08:14.240 People don't don't know what one yard can mean. 0:08:14.400 --> 0:08:17.239 When I was looking at uh, the reason I didn't 0:08:17.360 --> 0:08:21.520 like Josh ball at guard because and I told Josh 0:08:21.560 --> 0:08:23.560 this to his face, I say, you give up three 0:08:23.640 --> 0:08:26.360 yards on the set. Does that means by time you 0:08:26.440 --> 0:08:29.880 get hit, you're in the quarterback lap. By time you punch, 0:08:30.280 --> 0:08:33.360 these guys are willing to fight up close. That gives 0:08:33.400 --> 0:08:36.280 our quarterback a chance to step up. And then when 0:08:36.360 --> 0:08:39.000 we do get to the five and seven step drops, 0:08:39.040 --> 0:08:41.800 because you're gonna have to start throwing that that that 0:08:41.800 --> 0:08:44.240 that five and seven step drop when we do get 0:08:44.280 --> 0:08:46.320 to that, that could be. 0:08:46.640 --> 0:08:49.480 So in your opinion, because you always hear about the 0:08:49.480 --> 0:08:51.199 blind side tackle. 0:08:50.880 --> 0:08:52.880 Is the most important position on you can. 0:08:52.760 --> 0:08:56.040 Have him you, in your opinion, if you have a 0:08:56.679 --> 0:09:01.000 strong middle middle three middle three, that's more important to me, 0:09:01.240 --> 0:09:04.400 to you, it's because you position. 0:09:05.000 --> 0:09:10.679 You ask Mike Clauri, you ask all my coaches. You 0:09:10.679 --> 0:09:13.319 know they they don't get me wrong, They kissed them tackles. 0:09:13.360 --> 0:09:16.360 But oh, look how great two is, Look how great 0:09:16.440 --> 0:09:18.760 error Hill is. Because they know that they're dealing with 0:09:19.520 --> 0:09:23.760 nick boss of the world. Uh this, yeah, you're dealing 0:09:23.800 --> 0:09:25.120 with You're dealing with an animal. 0:09:26.040 --> 0:09:28.360 But I'll give you a perfect example. 0:09:28.720 --> 0:09:33.000 When you're dealing with a Reggie White who is like Parsons. Yeah, 0:09:33.040 --> 0:09:34.760 you need you need that tackle. 0:09:35.120 --> 0:09:35.800 But you know what. 0:09:36.160 --> 0:09:40.920 People forget about Jerome Brown who always pushing my big 0:09:40.960 --> 0:09:43.480 behind back deep in that pocket. I'm fighting with everything 0:09:43.520 --> 0:09:46.040 I got and he putting not. Reggie Light got a 0:09:46.040 --> 0:09:48.400 shorter corner, but we had luckily we had big e. 0:09:49.520 --> 0:09:54.040 So you if you have a strong middle that don't 0:09:54.040 --> 0:09:56.320 give up in the ground, now you can run the 0:09:56.360 --> 0:09:57.360 ball at will. 0:09:57.679 --> 0:10:01.080 You You can never stop bit. Go to the forty 0:10:01.160 --> 0:10:04.560 nine ers, they don't have great guards, are great center. 0:10:05.120 --> 0:10:07.440 I go to Philadelphia that does have a great center 0:10:07.720 --> 0:10:11.480 and two good guards. You can never stop their run game. 0:10:12.559 --> 0:10:15.559 If you can never stop the run game, you take 0:10:15.600 --> 0:10:20.080 away everything Q is about. If you can't stop the 0:10:20.160 --> 0:10:23.920 run game. Now you can have a soso quarterback just 0:10:24.000 --> 0:10:27.280 lighting you up, because how do you set your defense 0:10:27.559 --> 0:10:28.840 first and tend what you're gonna do. 0:10:28.960 --> 0:10:31.319 He gonna play actual passion because you're so scared. He 0:10:31.400 --> 0:10:31.920 gonna run. 0:10:32.040 --> 0:10:33.760 He's gonna jump it right over your linebackers in the 0:10:33.800 --> 0:10:36.000 middle of the field. I'm tight ends kettle gonna be 0:10:36.040 --> 0:10:40.080 running straight down the field. But if they can dictate 0:10:40.120 --> 0:10:43.000 to you what's happening and hit your quarterback a couple 0:10:43.040 --> 0:10:45.800 of times, we see what these few guys that came 0:10:45.840 --> 0:10:49.000 through here, the wins that we've had, how they dictated 0:10:49.000 --> 0:10:51.520 to us because we couldn't We couldn't run the ball 0:10:52.360 --> 0:10:54.440 with enough scariness. 0:10:55.920 --> 0:10:59.400 You asked about PFF grades. Yeah, Zack Martin is ranked 0:10:59.480 --> 0:11:03.120 fifth seventy six guards. Tyler smith is first. 0:11:03.800 --> 0:11:07.520 WHOA, that's all pro type. 0:11:07.559 --> 0:11:10.960 Tyler Smith man is he is? He coming along man. 0:11:11.240 --> 0:11:14.080 So that's a great point because he's in more of 0:11:14.120 --> 0:11:15.120 a confined space. 0:11:15.280 --> 0:11:17.120 He's in the guerrilla phone booth. 0:11:17.320 --> 0:11:20.160 That is that helping him with his hands, because the 0:11:20.160 --> 0:11:22.080 big knock on him at the beginning was his hands 0:11:22.120 --> 0:11:22.760 getting outside. 0:11:22.760 --> 0:11:23.280 Well, you could be a. 0:11:23.280 --> 0:11:25.520 Little more confident. I had a hands problem coming into 0:11:25.520 --> 0:11:28.080 the leave because I got a house problems though, because 0:11:28.360 --> 0:11:31.960 I'm a grappler. He's a grappler, he's a mauler. He's 0:11:32.000 --> 0:11:35.240 not a technician. So long as he's working on his technique. 0:11:35.320 --> 0:11:37.640 His feet is good enough to be an excellent guard. 0:11:38.200 --> 0:11:40.680 They're okay to be a left tackle. But he got 0:11:40.720 --> 0:11:45.920 excellent feet to be a guard. And now he's realizing, like, yo, homeboy, 0:11:45.920 --> 0:11:48.480 you can't get so far out there. I'm gonna still 0:11:48.520 --> 0:11:50.480 be able to lay my hands on you. You better 0:11:50.600 --> 0:11:53.840 not come head up. I'm gonna maul you. That's that's 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:54.679 how I used to feel. 0:11:54.840 --> 0:11:55.480 I used to look at. 0:11:55.480 --> 0:11:58.000 John Randall and all these great Hall of famers that 0:11:58.080 --> 0:11:59.679 I played against, and I can't get in the Hall 0:11:59.720 --> 0:12:01.520 of Fame that I stopped that, I can't get in. 0:12:01.440 --> 0:12:12.960 All the talk. But I'm not like these guys. These 0:12:13.000 --> 0:12:14.319 guys great. I tell you what. 0:12:14.480 --> 0:12:17.360 I've been doing this show with him for what five years? 0:12:17.720 --> 0:12:19.520 Five six years? 0:12:19.559 --> 0:12:23.080 Just make he is never ever talked. 0:12:23.600 --> 0:12:24.800 I like it. I like it. 0:12:24.920 --> 0:12:28.079 That is the first time, and support this. 0:12:28.559 --> 0:12:30.440 You know, no, no, no, no, let me be honest. 0:12:30.760 --> 0:12:32.920 The reason I said that because I was talking to 0:12:32.960 --> 0:12:36.240 Everson Walls and I'm talking to Darren and I was 0:12:36.280 --> 0:12:39.120 talking about Darren Woolson. I'm looking at I'm looking at Everson, 0:12:40.320 --> 0:12:45.120 and I'm looking at how Diggs have been a great athlete, 0:12:45.360 --> 0:12:46.240 interception guy. 0:12:46.480 --> 0:12:49.800 I'm looking at Bland and what he's doing. 0:12:49.840 --> 0:12:55.560 And everybody see and everybody can comparing these guys to 0:12:55.640 --> 0:12:59.440 a young Everson Walls. But if these guys just get 0:12:59.440 --> 0:13:03.600 two or three interceptions year, not five six like ever 0:13:03.679 --> 0:13:06.440 since used to get these guys gonna be in the 0:13:06.480 --> 0:13:09.600 Hall of Fame. And you're comparing these young guys to 0:13:09.679 --> 0:13:12.120 Everson Walls. You didn't have to go outside of this 0:13:12.280 --> 0:13:15.840 house to compare with greatness. But we don't have enough 0:13:15.880 --> 0:13:20.800 people in Dallas, enough media people. You know, our media 0:13:20.920 --> 0:13:25.160 is not mean and vicious like say a Pittsburgh or. 0:13:26.880 --> 0:13:27.880 New York at the raided. 0:13:28.040 --> 0:13:31.120 So when they when they speak, everybody just get in line. 0:13:31.679 --> 0:13:35.560 And so that that's what makes me sometimes just just 0:13:35.640 --> 0:13:40.800 snap out like that because you cannot let Everson Walls 0:13:41.840 --> 0:13:44.319 can't be able to speak or talk or or or 0:13:45.080 --> 0:13:48.160 got something wrong with him and oh now let's put 0:13:48.240 --> 0:13:52.120 him in Well, who is he representing? He's not represented ever, 0:13:52.320 --> 0:13:53.720 because that's not him anymore. 0:13:54.480 --> 0:13:57.040 And when you say speak a talk you mean healthwise, yes, 0:13:57.240 --> 0:13:59.959 not way to A guy gets so old and there 0:14:00.559 --> 0:14:03.480 they can't even be whom they can't be themselves during 0:14:03.559 --> 0:14:04.600 introduction what what? 0:14:04.880 --> 0:14:07.040 Because we did that at the Black College Hall of Fame. 0:14:07.360 --> 0:14:09.839 They had a gentleman up there, and I almost come 0:14:09.880 --> 0:14:11.280 on glue they did the gentleman. 0:14:11.360 --> 0:14:13.520 The gentleman talking one of the first guys to be 0:14:13.600 --> 0:14:14.520 drafted into the NFL. 0:14:14.559 --> 0:14:16.880 I can't think, excuse me off, not being able to 0:14:16.920 --> 0:14:20.200 remember his name, but they up there just interviewing him, 0:14:20.200 --> 0:14:22.000 and he was saying the same thing over and over 0:14:22.000 --> 0:14:25.080 and over. Everybody kind of snickering, and I'm glad his 0:14:25.160 --> 0:14:27.880 wifely and and that's where the last. 0:14:27.720 --> 0:14:30.760 Few years, the seniors, that's what has happened. 0:14:30.880 --> 0:14:33.440 I don't want my son Trey up there saying hell 0:14:33.520 --> 0:14:37.160 when they noon he's been dead eight years, don't I 0:14:37.360 --> 0:14:42.600 signed on't. No, We respectfully declined, because. 0:14:42.280 --> 0:14:45.200 It don't take all that. You either let it expire 0:14:45.720 --> 0:14:48.680 and let it pass, or you do it while they're alive. 0:14:49.120 --> 0:14:52.120 And they got and they can comforhend what's going down 0:14:52.440 --> 0:14:55.680 that That's why I said what I said. But anyway, 0:14:55.720 --> 0:14:58.600 back to who was talking about he gonna be a beast. 0:15:00.400 --> 0:15:01.320 He's gonna be a beast. 0:15:02.760 --> 0:15:06.120 What have you seen in his development? What's what's what's 0:15:06.280 --> 0:15:08.440 changed in the last. 0:15:09.040 --> 0:15:11.200 His confidence, his confidence. 0:15:11.800 --> 0:15:14.400 You know before he was he was going back to 0:15:14.400 --> 0:15:16.480 college and just mauling people. And every time you saw 0:15:16.520 --> 0:15:18.680 him he was just Now he's trying to do the 0:15:18.760 --> 0:15:21.680 right thing. And that comes from the coach too. Mike 0:15:21.720 --> 0:15:25.640 Clario is you know I heard on another program which 0:15:26.120 --> 0:15:32.560 you don't mind me speaking ofout Derek right with our 0:15:32.600 --> 0:15:37.120 money and uh, they were talking about surprises and you know, surprises. 0:15:37.400 --> 0:15:40.440 Who's been a surprise player. It ain't that so much 0:15:40.560 --> 0:15:45.880 a surprise player. Mike Clario has been the guy I 0:15:45.920 --> 0:15:47.640 said at the beginning of the year, either he gonna 0:15:47.640 --> 0:15:50.560 be the goat one way or the other, he gonna 0:15:50.600 --> 0:15:55.320 be the goat. So and he's been the goat, you know, 0:15:55.800 --> 0:15:58.520 uh he and if you watch him, I know you 0:15:58.600 --> 0:16:01.760 watch it just and every time they call the team 0:16:01.920 --> 0:16:05.400 up offensively, they come from the sideline and Mike calls 0:16:05.400 --> 0:16:07.640 the team about who you you see him in there 0:16:07.680 --> 0:16:10.800 talking to his boys. Whatever coach say he got, he 0:16:10.840 --> 0:16:13.520 got a coaching point behind that. Whether it's a pass 0:16:13.640 --> 0:16:14.320 I run. 0:16:14.280 --> 0:16:17.400 He got a coaching point he's got energy that you. 0:16:17.320 --> 0:16:18.120 Would not believe. 0:16:18.440 --> 0:16:20.400 And then watching me, I wish you would go to 0:16:20.520 --> 0:16:24.600 lunch sometime, Jeff. Watching man, I mean once you met him, 0:16:24.880 --> 0:16:28.480 thanks a ball energy and once he get to know you, 0:16:28.920 --> 0:16:30.040 Oh man, how you doing. 0:16:30.120 --> 0:16:33.000 Jee's great to see you. Man. You give like, hey, coach, 0:16:33.040 --> 0:16:33.760 that's a great job. 0:16:33.800 --> 0:16:35.120 You're bringing dog along. 0:16:35.280 --> 0:16:36.800 No, no, the credit goes to that kid. 0:16:37.000 --> 0:16:37.800 He's worked hard. 0:16:37.800 --> 0:16:37.960 Man. 0:16:38.000 --> 0:16:39.600 I saw him standing up in training camp. 0:16:42.200 --> 0:16:44.640 But to add on to that point when you're talking 0:16:44.640 --> 0:16:47.280 about todder Smith and his development, one of the biggest 0:16:47.320 --> 0:16:50.920 things as a former player when you when you when 0:16:50.960 --> 0:16:55.320 you get indoctrinated into the the National Football League, sometimes 0:16:55.400 --> 0:16:58.040 your head begins to spend right because you're you're you're 0:16:58.080 --> 0:17:03.400 going from and the smaller the program, the bigger the 0:17:04.119 --> 0:17:06.160 leap is when you're getting to the league. Not only 0:17:06.320 --> 0:17:11.160 in the lessons, because let's be honest, right, and I'm 0:17:11.200 --> 0:17:14.040 not saying that there aren't good coaches at the smaller 0:17:14.080 --> 0:17:17.679 school levels. There are, they are, but when you go 0:17:17.760 --> 0:17:21.960 to but but you know, when you go to the 0:17:21.960 --> 0:17:24.880 the Alabamas, the Texas of the world, those guys are 0:17:24.920 --> 0:17:28.040 former NFL coaches, former You know what I'm saying, so 0:17:28.080 --> 0:17:30.840 their their skill set, they just their tool bag. They 0:17:30.920 --> 0:17:33.199 have a lot more tools in it. And then the 0:17:33.200 --> 0:17:36.520 competition level that matters. That matters when you're playing up 0:17:36.520 --> 0:17:38.399 against a guy where you can just go and grab 0:17:38.480 --> 0:17:40.280 him and that just be it, and he don't have 0:17:40.320 --> 0:17:44.560 nothing to really combat you just being brute, brute stronger 0:17:44.600 --> 0:17:48.199 than him. When you play up, you're playing guys with 0:17:48.320 --> 0:17:51.439 more talent that's gonna be on the next level. So 0:17:51.480 --> 0:17:54.600 when Tyler Smith comes in, he makes the leap. But 0:17:54.640 --> 0:17:57.280 then when you settle him at a position, see when 0:17:57.320 --> 0:18:00.520 you bounce him back and forth, it's pretty line is 0:18:00.560 --> 0:18:03.960 already spinning, trying to learn the game, trying to figure 0:18:04.000 --> 0:18:06.159 out how I'm gonna stop these guys across from me 0:18:06.200 --> 0:18:08.560 that's been in the league five, six and seven years, 0:18:08.560 --> 0:18:11.080 who got tools in their tool bag, and you know 0:18:11.240 --> 0:18:13.959 at that are as strong, if not stronger, or more 0:18:13.960 --> 0:18:17.800 athletic than I am. But also, one day I'm learning tackle, 0:18:18.000 --> 0:18:20.639 one day I'm learning guard, one day I'm back guard, 0:18:20.840 --> 0:18:22.840 the other day I'm at tackled. And now I really 0:18:22.880 --> 0:18:25.360 can't I can't figure this whole thing out. But when 0:18:25.359 --> 0:18:28.240 you sit me in a place and you say, son, 0:18:28.600 --> 0:18:31.040 you're gonna be out left guard. There's a sense of 0:18:31.640 --> 0:18:33.840 ease that comes over you. You say, okay, now I 0:18:33.880 --> 0:18:36.639 can just focus in on this. I can focus in 0:18:36.680 --> 0:18:39.640 on all the small, little minute details on what it's 0:18:39.680 --> 0:18:41.400 going to take for me to be really good at 0:18:41.400 --> 0:18:44.439 that position. And I think that's why when we talk 0:18:44.480 --> 0:18:47.480 about well, just Talas Smith out, they're like, no, no, no, no, no, no, 0:18:47.359 --> 0:18:51.800 no no no, he's staying. This is where he's gonna stay. 0:18:52.160 --> 0:18:54.800 We'll figure the rest of this stuff out. We'll figure 0:18:54.800 --> 0:18:58.199 the other stuff out with Tuma, with tying or whatever 0:18:58.240 --> 0:19:00.679 it is. But we're gonna leave this right here, and 0:19:00.680 --> 0:19:03.119 we're gonna just keep letting these bricks build and build 0:19:03.160 --> 0:19:05.800 and build and build, and allow him to be so 0:19:05.920 --> 0:19:08.040 much better at this position in the bouncing him back 0:19:08.080 --> 0:19:10.399 and forth. When now the level of confusion can come 0:19:10.440 --> 0:19:12.640 into play, and now you mess it. You can mess 0:19:12.760 --> 0:19:15.720 You can mess a player round, You can mess a 0:19:15.760 --> 0:19:18.360 player up like that when the player isn't confident in itself, 0:19:18.760 --> 0:19:20.400 and and now they go out there and they give 0:19:20.440 --> 0:19:22.760 up two or three sacks, they start they get into 0:19:22.800 --> 0:19:24.320 their own mind and you can never get you can 0:19:24.359 --> 0:19:28.760 you can literally lose a good player mentally from something 0:19:28.800 --> 0:19:31.280 like that, I guess the break, I mean the. 0:19:33.080 --> 0:19:33.480 Chre. 0:19:34.440 --> 0:19:35.880 Now you're in the baseball. 0:19:37.640 --> 0:19:37.920 Ranger. 0:19:39.760 --> 0:19:40.560 Check the Rangers score. 0:19:40.640 --> 0:19:41.080 We'll come back. 0:19:41.200 --> 0:19:42.720 Take some phone calls when we come back. 0:19:42.840 --> 0:19:46.640 Right after this hanging with the boys, fall. 0:19:46.520 --> 0:19:49.320 Is here and that means football is back, bringing all 0:19:49.320 --> 0:19:52.040 the delicious game day foods with it as you prep 0:19:52.119 --> 0:19:54.800 for all the big games, tailgates and watch parties. 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