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Speaker 1: Q and On is now the most prolific online conspiracy

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Speaker 1: theory of the twenty one century. None of their predictions

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Speaker 1: came true. Q has vanished and the storm never came,

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Speaker 1: but Q and On is still alive. I'm Jake Hanrahan,

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Speaker 1: and this is Series two of Q Clearance, a podcast

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Speaker 1: shedding light on the ongoing Q and on conspiracy theory.

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Speaker 1: This is a production of Kudatar Media and I Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: In today's episode, we're going to be looking at what

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Speaker 1: Jim and Ron Watkins did next. If you don't know

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Speaker 1: those two names, please please go and listen to series one.

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Speaker 1: But basically that's who I think through all this research

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Speaker 1: and talking to people, that's who I think was ultimately

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Speaker 1: running Q and on, writing the drops, posting them out,

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Speaker 1: spreading it everywhere. I think Jim and Ron Watkins were

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Speaker 1: behind it, so do many many different people now to

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Speaker 1: what they were doing. Next, we're going to speak to

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Speaker 1: Julian Field from the excellent Q and Non Anonymous podcast.

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Speaker 1: He's going to be speaking to us about how Jim

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Speaker 1: and Ron sort of moved off into other grifts after

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Speaker 1: Q stopped posting. Remember, they were the ones running the

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Speaker 1: boards that Q and On posted on so Julian just

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Speaker 1: for our listeners, Um, maybe you can give us a

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Speaker 1: quick recap on who Run and Jim Watkins are. Obviously

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Speaker 1: they have not had as much attention since the election

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Speaker 1: didn't bring Trump back. Yeah. So Jim has a history

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Speaker 1: in the army and he went on to become a

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Speaker 1: reselling that from the Philippines to the Japanese, circumventing their

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Speaker 1: His son grows up in that environment. I'd say Jim

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Speaker 1: Watkins is like the quintessential sex tourist kind of guy. Uh,

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Speaker 1: just just as a kind of sleeves bag who lives

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Speaker 1: I think got pilled online red pilled you know, on

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Speaker 1: image boards from people. They're they're accused of stealing one

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Speaker 1: um from Nakamura and uh. They they ended up with

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Speaker 1: and also posted so many Now, you know, with the

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Speaker 1: at least posted as Q a few times, if not

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Speaker 1: a lot. Once you know, Q moved to the specific

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Speaker 1: soul verifier for Q. And that's that's what, at the

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Speaker 1: that their custodians of Q, they invented the trip code

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Speaker 1: just being on ann that that uh, that that wasn't

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Speaker 1: really verifiable UM and so so now um Q stopped posting,

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Speaker 1: and of course you know they've denied it through and

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Speaker 1: But I think all eyes are definitely on them, And yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know. Um So, I think they're both well Ron

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