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Speaker 7: It is Tuesday, May second, twenty twenty three, Seasons nineteen,
Speaker 7: Episode number five. Welcome to the list edition of The Break.
Speaker 7: We're a lot from the SWBC Mortgage studios at the
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Speaker 7: the Dallas Cowboys. We are fresh off of the twenty
Speaker 7: twenty three NFL Draft, so today's show will be dominated
Speaker 7: by draft talk. I got Nick and Brian and Amber
Speaker 7: here with me. We'll talk each pick and what their
Speaker 7: scouting report is and also where they will fit on
Speaker 7: this team. Lots of interesting names, players that maybe everybody
Speaker 7: didn't expect. But you know, again, as I said on Twitter,
Speaker 7: and I think I've heard you guys say as well,
Speaker 7: this this front office, particularly this scouting department, deserves a
Speaker 7: bit of benefit of doubt. If you have doubt about
Speaker 7: picks because of what they've done over the last really,
Speaker 7: I guess eight to ten years in the draft.
Speaker 5: So let's talk about it. Let's jump right in.
Speaker 7: Let's talk about the first round pick, Mazzie Smith, defensive
Speaker 7: tackle from Michigan.
Speaker 5: He was selected at number twenty six overall.
Speaker 7: Start first by giving me a scouting report on Mozzie Smith.
Speaker 8: He's strong, I'll start there.
Speaker 5: Not gonna tell me about his hips. You're not gonna
Speaker 5: tell me about the bride. They're gonna tell me he's strong. Okay, good, They's.
Speaker 8: Strong, and that's a position of need because they there
Speaker 8: were games where they got their ass kick right in
Speaker 8: the middle of the line. So they didn't want to
Speaker 8: do that anymore, so they said, let's let's let's try
Speaker 8: to fix that. So that's I mean, that's just the
Speaker 8: basic part of him. I mean, Brian watched a lot
Speaker 8: more of his game.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think when you watch Mazzie Smith, and especially
Speaker 3: some of those games where he played against some of
Speaker 3: the better offensive lines in the Big Ten, the the
Speaker 3: Ohio States, the Minnesota's people like that, you know that
Speaker 3: had those guys that we were evaluating for for the draft.
Speaker 3: He did a really nice job. The scheme that he
Speaker 3: plays in might be a little bit restrictive when you
Speaker 3: watch him because you're thinking about where's the production, where
Speaker 3: are the sack numbers? Where are these things? He plays
Speaker 3: in the system what we call two gap, where you
Speaker 3: read and react, So it's basically the extension. It's the
Speaker 3: looking side, it's the peak to the backside, and then
Speaker 3: it's it's to go. But when he's on that mode
Speaker 3: where he's just going up the field, Nick's right, he's
Speaker 3: extremely strong in the upper and lower body. He could
Speaker 3: drive guys back. He could be disruptive in the pocket,
Speaker 3: especially when you try and run the ball to the
Speaker 3: say the off tackle sides. You put him and let
Speaker 3: him just like play that gap or the gap and
Speaker 3: a half over. He's the type of guy that's athletic
Speaker 3: enough to get over far enough to so if the
Speaker 3: ball goes to the edge right in that tackle box area,
Speaker 3: he could get over there, kind of stuff things up,
Speaker 3: hold that edge and then don't give you any cutback lane,
Speaker 3: but also make a play right in that area. Just
Speaker 3: really does a great job of playing with his hands
Speaker 3: and being able to control the blockers. That's something that
Speaker 3: you know Nick mentioned last year that they struggled with
Speaker 3: when Hankins went out. It was kind of like, Okay,
Speaker 3: how they going to make up for you know, to
Speaker 3: hold up blocks, how they're going to play in the
Speaker 3: running game Manzi Smith. The one thing that this this
Speaker 3: coaching staff will do for him, and Will McClay even
Speaker 3: mentioned it, They'll open up his stance a little bit more.
Speaker 3: You know, maybe they felt like he was playing a
Speaker 3: little tight, but open him up a little more and
Speaker 3: then that way you might get a little bit more
Speaker 3: quickness for pass rush stuff. So I do like to
Speaker 3: pick just because of the fact that and Will said
Speaker 3: this himself in the audio that we heard that we
Speaker 3: haven't had a defensive tackle like this that we can draft.
Speaker 3: If you remember the previous administration, the Rod Mary and
Speaker 3: Ellie administration, it was never really an interest of taking
Speaker 3: a guy that can play that heavy position. Even though
Speaker 3: Rod Marinelli had Booger McFarlane as that type of guy.
Speaker 3: I mean, he had a strong inside presence. He's always
Speaker 3: had that kind of guy. So I think they absolutely
Speaker 3: did the right thing at that particular time of getting
Speaker 3: a player that fits something that could definitely help this
Speaker 3: defense in the middle.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when they picked him. It was for me one
Speaker 2: of those moments that I wasn't super stoked or excited about.
Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, because I'm thinking, again, do we need
Speaker 2: a guy like him? Absolutely, But at the same time,
Speaker 2: we have bigger needs in other areas around the team
Speaker 2: that you need something like that, someone like that. But
Speaker 2: they as soon as you see him come in here
Speaker 2: the next day, you understand immediately why the Cowboys fell
Speaker 2: in love with him, and you yourself start falling in
Speaker 2: love with him as a person and also sorry and
Speaker 2: also looking at his body top. You keep talking about strength,
Speaker 2: but the type of strength this guy has is visible
Speaker 2: to the eyes. Tyler Smith. Last year you saw him
Speaker 2: come in and we were talking about his size as well.
Speaker 2: But MASSI he's like pure muscle, like he has some
Speaker 2: guns on his arms, and you just see that type
Speaker 2: of weight that you typically talk about. Oh, second year,
Speaker 2: they'll put on some weight, go out there and be
Speaker 2: even better. This guy's already there what he needs to be.
Speaker 2: So if this is a starting point for him, I
Speaker 2: can't wait to see what he becomes this season, and
Speaker 2: especially how he helps. Like Brian said, you talked about
Speaker 2: the running defense. How he helps the Cowboys in that area.
Speaker 5: Where does he fit on this defensive front?
Speaker 7: Because I did lose Carlos Watkins this offseason, who I
Speaker 7: thought was a really nice piece for their interior D fence. Obviously,
Speaker 7: they brought back Hankins. Hankins, we saw the difference teammate
Speaker 7: last year in the run game when he was on
Speaker 7: the field, but an older veteran player. They needed some
Speaker 7: youth there. You got Ah set as a three technique,
Speaker 7: you got Gallimore. Where does he really fit in? And
Speaker 7: who might be now looking at it like, hey, I've
Speaker 7: really got to prove something this camp in order to
Speaker 7: make sure I got a job.
Speaker 8: Boll Hannah Is it's not great for him, you know,
Speaker 8: I think he I think it sounds like he's gonna
Speaker 8: play more of a one technique. But he's got the
Speaker 8: I mean, just look at the clip. I don't know
Speaker 8: if you saw the one where he's jumping exactly. That's
Speaker 8: is that the what is that? That's not a broad jump?
Speaker 7: That's the like it's like a standing broad jump, like
Speaker 7: it's not a run as a standing brode.
Speaker 8: So then he does like in a row like explosive
Speaker 8: that's unbelievable. So I think he's got ability to play
Speaker 8: inside as both the one and the three. I think
Speaker 8: it was I think dan Quinn said they may even
Speaker 8: put those guys in there together, so well, he's going
Speaker 8: to be right in the middle of it, right in
Speaker 8: the middle of the trenches. I mean, this is if
Speaker 8: hank is still playing at a high level. This this
Speaker 8: is the you know, to me some comparison to Jonathan
Speaker 8: Allen and Payne for Washington, I think you have a
Speaker 8: chance because what those guys are. They have some agility,
Speaker 8: but they have a lot of strength to and you know,
Speaker 8: the Eagles have beefed up there inside. The Giants have
Speaker 8: some really good defensive tackles. I think the Cowboys now
Speaker 8: are trying to say, well, you know, we're gonna match
Speaker 8: up with that as well.
Speaker 3: It kind of allows you to take Mazzi Smith at
Speaker 3: training camp and give him all the reps knowing you
Speaker 3: have an idea what Jonathan Hankins is, so maybe you
Speaker 3: saved some wear and tear on Jonathan Hankins going into
Speaker 3: the season. You know, yeah, he's going to get reps
Speaker 3: and stuff during practice. But to be honest, with every
Speaker 3: practice that we attend in Oxnard, we need to be
Speaker 3: watching Mazzi Smith playing with OsO diggi Za. We need
Speaker 3: to watch him with Chauncey Golston, whoever they're going to
Speaker 3: play at that three. Fojoko, who they just drafted, you know,
Speaker 3: he's listed as a defensive end. You know, you talk
Speaker 3: to Shari Floyd about it the bit he's saying they're
Speaker 3: interested in moving Fojoko into that three technique. So yeah,
Speaker 3: as many is, if you could save some weird tear
Speaker 3: on Hankins and then but also get Mazi all the
Speaker 3: reps and get him in the rotation with the other
Speaker 3: guys who he's going to play with. That's how you're
Speaker 3: going to quickly figure out exactly where he needs to
Speaker 3: play and how much he needs to play.
Speaker 8: And irony is kind of a funny thing because back
Speaker 8: in twenty thirteen they had the I believe, the nineteenth
Speaker 8: pick in the draft and the best guy it seemed
Speaker 8: like with Sharif Floyd. Yeah, but they priennally didn't really
Speaker 8: want to take that guy. I don't think that was
Speaker 8: where the Cowboys were picking, and they even said it themselves,
Speaker 8: we don't take this type of player. Ten to twelve
Speaker 8: years ago. Well, now they moved back to thirty one
Speaker 8: or thirty two, they got Frederick great pig. Of course
Speaker 8: Cherie Floyd now didn't really have a great career, and
Speaker 8: now now he's coaching and he's going to be one
Speaker 8: of the guys coaching Mazzi Smith. As they did change
Speaker 8: their their philosophy, so you know so well.
Speaker 3: I think the philosophy switch is big, and I think
Speaker 3: what them making the trades early for the wide receiver
Speaker 3: and making the trade for the corner really opened up
Speaker 3: the board for them. This was a really difficult draft
Speaker 3: for us on our end, I know, on the draft show,
Speaker 3: to have to figure out exactly. I mean, we learned
Speaker 3: some things along the way. Yes, they liked the tight end.
Speaker 3: Yes they had the tight ends in a different order. Yes,
Speaker 3: they were willing to Mozzie Smith was a name that
Speaker 3: was talked about, you know, along with others that maybe
Speaker 3: if they got wiped out, that they would be considered.
Speaker 3: I don't think they felt like they got wiped out
Speaker 3: here we were saying that they were gonna get wiped out,
Speaker 3: they would take Mozzie Smith. They were all on board
Speaker 3: with Mozzie Smith, you know, with him and bergeron from Syracuse.
Speaker 3: You know, I mean, either way they would have gone there,
Speaker 3: that would have really helped what they were trying to do.
Speaker 7: And quite frankly, it seemed like Mozzie Smith was the
Speaker 7: guy they targeted going into this draft, like they really
Speaker 7: wanted him, they really wanted to add him to their defense.
Speaker 7: And I think a lot of that has to do
Speaker 7: with the fact that you look at like you said, Nick,
Speaker 7: there was some games, particularly two years ago, but even
Speaker 7: last year, especially in games where Hankins was not there,
Speaker 7: they had some problems stopping the run, and I think
Speaker 7: that it was like, if you look at this defense,
Speaker 7: they feel like they got the pass rushers. They fact
Speaker 7: they got the ballhawks on the second in the secondary.
Speaker 7: At this point, it really is about can you force
Speaker 7: teams if you win on the early downs, can you
Speaker 7: force teams into obvious passing situations? And if you can
Speaker 7: do that, that makes your defense even better because now
Speaker 7: you make them go against the strength of your defense,
Speaker 7: which is your pass rush.
Speaker 5: All right, let's move on.
Speaker 7: Let's go to the second round, pick number fifty eight
Speaker 7: overall tight end Luke Shoon Maker Scoon it is Schoon
Speaker 7: Okay Akoon Shoon and Okay Schoonmaker Michigan tight end, give
Speaker 7: me a scout report on Yeah with.
Speaker 3: A thing with Luke Schoonmaker. Michigan is a very physical team.
Speaker 3: We talked about Big ten football. We mentioned it with
Speaker 3: Maszi Smith that how they play with a lot of
Speaker 3: different guys that are really tough up front. Lucas one
Speaker 3: of those guys. Blake Korum is a running back. If
Speaker 3: you watch the Big Big ten noon football, it's Michigan
Speaker 3: usually playing somebody and you'll see Michigan the way they
Speaker 3: run the ball downhill and they're one of the Michigan
Speaker 3: was one of the top college offensive lines this year.
Speaker 3: They won the Joe Moore Award for their five guys.
Speaker 3: Luke Schoonmaker was a big part of what they do.
Speaker 3: When they run the ball with Blake Krum, they usually
Speaker 3: run it behind Schoonmaker and he's a He could play
Speaker 3: in line why, which means he can line up next
Speaker 3: to the tackle. You could flex him. You could also
Speaker 3: bring him in motion. He's a really good point of
Speaker 3: attack blocker. I think the scheme limits his ability to
Speaker 3: catch the football. I don't think this is Wiskegan's game.
Speaker 3: The Michigan scheme. I don't think the Michigan scheme allows
Speaker 3: him to play with the way that he is capable
Speaker 3: of playing. You could see him getting down the field
Speaker 3: finding space, they drag him underneath. You see him catch
Speaker 3: balls along the sidelines. You see him make plays in
Speaker 3: the red zone. He has got a real feel for
Speaker 3: how to get the ball into the end zone when
Speaker 3: he gets the opportunity need to do that. So I
Speaker 3: feel like though in this scheme, they will find ways
Speaker 3: to get him in routes, the combinations and allow him
Speaker 3: to show more of this. But the blocking stuff is
Speaker 3: special in the way that, again the ball is coming
Speaker 3: behind him, He's not on the back side on a
Speaker 3: lot of plays. He's right there at the point of
Speaker 3: attack getting those blocks.
Speaker 8: And what I was told I was talking to a
Speaker 8: few people about him. If you if you create all
Speaker 8: of the aspects that a tight end needs, you know,
Speaker 8: the pass catching, the blocking, the awareness, the agility, just
Speaker 8: everything about it, from one to ten, he's going to
Speaker 8: have the highest score right now than any other tight
Speaker 8: end on the team. He may not be the best,
Speaker 8: you know, route runner, pass catcher, but what he makes
Speaker 8: up for is the blocking. But he's not that far
Speaker 8: behind on the other side, I think, you know, and
Speaker 8: Lunda Wells also said that that he's a guy that
Speaker 8: could be a three down tight end, and that's that's
Speaker 8: pretty rare to come into the league and be a
Speaker 8: guy that could be three downs.
Speaker 3: He doesn't labor at all getting up the field. That's
Speaker 3: not a problem at all. There's sometimes some of these
Speaker 3: guys that if they're just block, kind of block only
Speaker 3: guys that they struggle to, you know, have a little
Speaker 3: bit of that wiggle to be able to get up
Speaker 3: the field and make the routes. I think the awareness
Speaker 3: you mentioned is something that's really and I feel like
Speaker 3: he's got some dependable hands. I mean you see him
Speaker 3: like you know, he'll he'll adjust the catch radius, he'll adjust.
Speaker 3: And the quarterbacks at Michigan aren't really accurate though in
Speaker 3: the football. So you know, my last line of my
Speaker 3: notes was respect the way he blocks, but also the
Speaker 3: way he catches the ball. That was the last line
Speaker 3: I had in my notes. And you know, is it
Speaker 3: maybe around early? You know, yeah, but you got to
Speaker 3: remember when you're picking at the back end of the draft,
Speaker 3: you sometimes have to go around early because you're not
Speaker 3: going to get that player coming back around. It just
Speaker 3: doesn't happen just when you think like, hey, we got
Speaker 3: to hit this pick now, because if we don't, we're
Speaker 3: not going to have you know, I know they really
Speaker 3: liked Laporta from Iowa a lot, and you know that
Speaker 3: was something that that that surely considered. But Schoonmaker was
Speaker 3: kind of in that. I mean, I had Schoonmaker and
Speaker 3: Laporta in the same round on my board right there,
Speaker 3: so I understand exactly what they did that was gonna be.
Speaker 2: My question was just wondering if, oh my god, I
Speaker 2: can really speak today, I'm sorry, wondering if they actually
Speaker 2: picked him because they had a high grade on him
Speaker 2: and they actually wanted him, or because they were forced
Speaker 2: to kind of address the position, giving the fact that
Speaker 2: as soon as the second round started you started seeing
Speaker 2: a lot of those tight ends being picked. So as
Speaker 2: far as like what you guys saw or what you
Speaker 2: would assume how things were went down, do you think
Speaker 2: he was actually a guy that the Cowboys kind of
Speaker 2: were high on him?
Speaker 3: I think there absolutely were high on him. I mentioned
Speaker 3: I think the coaching staff was really high on Laporta,
Speaker 3: and I feel like though when the trade went ahead
Speaker 3: of them in the first round where it was Kincaid,
Speaker 3: you when you saw the war room camp. They weren't bothered.
Speaker 3: They didn't look there was no you know, banging of
Speaker 3: the tables or no quick adjustments. Everybody looked pretty calm.
Speaker 3: They were they were they were okay with what was
Speaker 3: going on in the draft. They had their guys in mind.
Speaker 3: Mozzie Smith was a guy obviously that they completely had
Speaker 3: in mind. But when they got around to the pick, yeah,
Speaker 3: you saw some guys going and I think that if
Speaker 3: Laporta was there, they would have they would have picked Laporta.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think that. But they also told us
Speaker 3: pre draft Stephen Jones that I know in one O
Speaker 3: five three of the Fan that he said, you know,
Speaker 3: it's hard to find guys that can do both, and
Speaker 3: that's what Schoonmaker can do. He can block. I mean,
Speaker 3: and you look at the athletic testing numbers. If you
Speaker 3: were one of these people that believe in metrics and
Speaker 3: all those things, Luke Schoonmaker's athletic testing numbers were much
Speaker 3: better than what you had with your You know, you're
Speaker 3: with Jake Ferguson. I mean, he's a much better, much
Speaker 3: better athlete than Jake Ferguson. So you know that to me,
Speaker 3: if you got a blocker, a good athlete, and then
Speaker 3: you show some ability to catch the football. It made
Speaker 3: perfect sense why they did what they did.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and also you know you're talking about how big
Speaker 8: of a need it was. I think it was a need.
Speaker 8: I don't think it was a major need because if
Speaker 8: it was, they had a chance to take the highest
Speaker 8: tight end or rated on their board. I mean when
Speaker 8: he was there at twenty six, I don't think I
Speaker 8: don't think that was their highest rated.
Speaker 3: Tight end.
Speaker 8: So and they had a chance to get them. So
Speaker 8: if you have a major need and the best is available,
Speaker 8: you would take them. They they wanted to do it,
Speaker 8: but they also look at a value and they said,
Speaker 8: all right, you know the difference between this tight end
Speaker 8: and then the second round as opposed to Mazzie Smith
Speaker 8: and the next defensive tackle, we're going to get stuff
Speaker 8: to run. Probably it's not comparable. So they went that rounde.
Speaker 8: So not the first time we've seen a team. You
Speaker 8: were in the room when when it was a deep
Speaker 8: tight end class back in two thousand and three, and
Speaker 8: they could have taken the second round they took out
Speaker 8: john but they took Al Johnson thinking we'll get some
Speaker 8: deep tight ends here in the third round.
Speaker 5: And would be available.
Speaker 8: But he will we thinking somebody would be available, and
Speaker 8: it was written so you know, sometimes that just clothes
Speaker 8: to show what type of need. It really was a need,
Speaker 8: but not a pressing need for him.
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Speaker 7: Hey, nick I had a question for you, Wayne mcgarrity.
Speaker 7: He was was he selected or was he a free
Speaker 7: agent that the Cowboys brought in as.
Speaker 8: A draft third probably a third round pick, third or
Speaker 8: fourth in nineteen ninety nine, maybe the fourth?
Speaker 5: Okay?
Speaker 7: Was that the last time that one of my long
Speaker 7: horns was drafted by the Cowboys.
Speaker 8: You know, I don't know. Maybe we did a documentary
Speaker 8: on somebody, you know, Well I'm missing I was a
Speaker 8: blocker that was bellied.
Speaker 3: As a kid.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, I forgot he went to Texas. You're right,
Speaker 7: Amber knows something about it, and Amber knows something about him.
Speaker 7: But did you forget he forgot about him? Literally forgot
Speaker 7: about him. I remember Wayne McGarty. I remember Wayne McGarty
Speaker 7: from back in nineteen ninety nine, but did not remember
Speaker 7: Connor Williams.
Speaker 8: But and then they took Peppy's own there. I just
Speaker 8: wanted to remember Peppy. Wayne McGarty had like eight knee surgeries.
Speaker 8: I think if any I think if yeah, if Wayne
Speaker 8: mcgartty had been playing. Now you know, it's it's just different.
Speaker 8: I mean we were talking I was talking with Patrick
Speaker 8: Walker upstairs just a few minutes ago about the ACL
Speaker 8: injury back in nineteen ninety nine. You were like, okay,
Speaker 8: wait death like yeah, right, is this the end of
Speaker 8: his career?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 8: And now it's just like can he come back in
Speaker 8: six weeks? You know, which isn't the case.
Speaker 5: But it's just different.
Speaker 8: It is, it is different, But yeah, Texas guys, they
Speaker 8: may have drafted another one. I know, I'm just start
Speaker 8: trying to think. I mean, Roy Williams, the receiver obviously
Speaker 8: wasn't a draft pick. Trying to think of other Texas
Speaker 8: players that have come in, but.
Speaker 5: We got he was.
Speaker 8: Leonard Davis is one of the players, in my opinion,
Speaker 8: that changed the way the NFL is thinking, because when
Speaker 8: you were that big and that strong and you wanted
Speaker 8: to take it alignment, you have to play him at tackle.
Speaker 8: Same with Robert Gallery, you got to play him at
Speaker 8: tackle to justify the picking him that high. But in
Speaker 8: reality they were really a better guard and once they
Speaker 8: went to a different team and played guard. Maybe Gallery
Speaker 8: did not go to a different team, but he did
Speaker 8: eventually go to guard, and then you're like, this is
Speaker 8: all pro player or a Pro Bowl player. So and
Speaker 8: I think I think it put a little bit more
Speaker 8: value in the guard position just seeing those guys. But
Speaker 8: Leonard Davis, when he walked through the door at the combine,
Speaker 8: I remember what was with you at the combine he
Speaker 8: walked through the door. He kind of had to ways.
Speaker 8: I mean, he was the biggest human being.
Speaker 3: We were all worried that we couldn't get out if
Speaker 3: something happened. Yeah, we like think it can Leonard get
Speaker 3: out of here? Because if something happened in the room
Speaker 3: and we had to make a rush for the door,
Speaker 3: we couldn't get past Leonard. That was he was huge.
Speaker 3: He was Jeff Swaying by the way Texas.
Speaker 5: Yes, seventh round, Yes, seventh Yeah.
Speaker 7: That was another one that we were all kind of like,
Speaker 7: was this I remember on draft day like that anything
Speaker 7: on him?
Speaker 3: That's what Dane I think it was mad. Dane was
Speaker 3: really mad.
Speaker 8: It was like, I'm no longer doing two hundred players
Speaker 8: a position, I'm doing three hundred. Actually had him on
Speaker 8: the list, just wasn't a profile or whatever. He had
Speaker 8: him on the list.
Speaker 7: All right, let's talk about the latest Texas Longhorn. We
Speaker 7: drafted the Dallas Overshown. I think Overshown is a very
Speaker 7: interesting player because at Texas, like they did so many
Speaker 7: different things with him. He was a guy that kind
Speaker 7: of he could rush the pass, so he could do
Speaker 7: some coverage stuff.
Speaker 5: He was all over the field.
Speaker 7: The one thing that that seemed to happen to me,
Speaker 7: and again I don't watch film on tis, I just
Speaker 7: watch it as a fan, But there would be games
Speaker 7: where it felt like he kind of just disappeared, like
Speaker 7: he just wasn't It wasn't in every game type player.
Speaker 7: He wasn't one of those players that he was a
Speaker 7: player that on defense everybody talked about going as a
Speaker 7: game overshowing, what's he gonna do this week?
Speaker 5: Whatever?
Speaker 7: Him in the defensive tackles, which over the years, defensive
Speaker 7: tackles become a really strong position for us. But but
Speaker 7: that being said, he he is just he has a
Speaker 7: lot of ability and is a very talented skilled athlete.
Speaker 7: He just had some games where he just didn't seem
Speaker 7: to quite show up. That would be my as a
Speaker 7: fan scouter report on him. What would you guys say
Speaker 7: from a that after watching film on him as a
Speaker 7: scoutering report on over.
Speaker 3: Well, it's a shame you missed the Oklahoma State, Baylor
Speaker 3: and Alabama games and you're a fandom there because those
Speaker 3: are the games I watched and I thought he was
Speaker 3: really good.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 7: Yeah, And that's the thing in a lot of games
Speaker 7: at games would be like man, where's where's over yeat?
Speaker 5: Like where's zero doing?
Speaker 3: You know this guy? I mean the thing that you
Speaker 3: the thing that I trust about this player, because I
Speaker 3: don't think Texas has used him correctly. I really don't.
Speaker 3: And I know that Gary Patterson and all that was,
Speaker 3: you know, they were all working with you know, maybe
Speaker 3: he got caught in between some schemes and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: This guy's converted safety and so you know, at six three,
Speaker 3: two hundred and twenty nine pounds, there's talk about putting
Speaker 3: some more weight on him and maybe even making him
Speaker 3: let him be a defensive end was a pot that
Speaker 3: some people had that thought before the draft. This guy
Speaker 3: could really chase the ball, though. I mean, it's impressive
Speaker 3: for a guy this big, how how well he moves
Speaker 3: the sideline, the sideline type of player, and I think
Speaker 3: it does a really good job of getting the ball
Speaker 3: carrier down. He's a good wrap up tackler. He does
Speaker 3: play with some power. You can use him inside and outside.
Speaker 3: So that's kind of where I think Texas got a
Speaker 3: little wonky with him right there. But I've seen him
Speaker 3: rush the passer and I've seen him have some success
Speaker 3: off the edge. He's got explosive quickness, he plays with
Speaker 3: a burst, he can redirect, He's got a feel for
Speaker 3: how to play pass coverage. Believe it or not sizing
Speaker 3: his length the awareness to carry guys. You'll see guys
Speaker 3: running routes and he's kind of you see him, Okay,
Speaker 3: that's my guy, gotta go. He's not a oh wait,
Speaker 3: what just happened guy? He actually can see this. This
Speaker 3: is one of these types of players where you know
Speaker 3: that dan Quinn and those guys over there have a
Speaker 3: plan for what they want to do with him, you know.
Speaker 3: And I remember that this just this past draft. Asked
Speaker 3: asking Justin Stuckey who we had the opportunity interview, and
Speaker 3: he he was the one who first scouted. He'd did
Speaker 3: the report on Michael Parsons and he I said, hey,
Speaker 3: did you see Michael Parsons as a pass rush? And
Speaker 3: he says, no, I didn't. So I'm thinking, ah, dan
Speaker 3: Quinn a d all least, these coaches they have a
Speaker 3: plan for a lot of these guys and what they
Speaker 3: potentially could do the fact that they made Curse a
Speaker 3: nickel linebacker and played as well, I could see those
Speaker 3: guy's having the same vision for this type of player
Speaker 3: and find me like a Curse to be a guy,
Speaker 3: to be a guy that they put in position to
Speaker 3: make plays and they allow him to get to the
Speaker 3: ball because that's the one thing this guy can do.
Speaker 3: He can cover some ground and there is a physical
Speaker 3: side to his game. But I understand what you're saying
Speaker 3: about him as a player. But I know in the
Speaker 3: games I watched, I came away with like, man, this
Speaker 3: guy does a lot for for you know, but you're
Speaker 3: worried about like Oka, he's up, he's back, he's down,
Speaker 3: he's there. You know, they they knew that they had
Speaker 3: a special player. I just think these guys are going
Speaker 3: to take it to another level with him.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's weird to see him. We're watching highlights if
Speaker 2: you guys are watching the video right now. But it's
Speaker 2: just weird to see him as a linebacker because of
Speaker 2: his size. You know, it's not typically the type of
Speaker 2: size you see, especially with what we have here, the
Speaker 2: body type that we usually have that the Cowboys have
Speaker 2: at the linebacker position. But we'll see. Maybe he makes
Speaker 2: off for it in speed. I mean, he seems to
Speaker 2: the field pretty good.
Speaker 7: But you know that's where I thought, Like, as I
Speaker 7: was thinking how they gonna use him, I started thinking,
Speaker 7: is he Jyaron Curse two point zero? You know, because
Speaker 7: I look at him as a guy because he has
Speaker 7: so many diverse talents, like you really could move him around.
Speaker 7: And by the way, now you can blitz him maybe
Speaker 7: a little bit more than they do with Curse. There
Speaker 7: are lots of different things you can do with him.
Speaker 7: I think he is a phenomenal athlete, like that was
Speaker 7: the one thing you could say about him. He was
Speaker 7: all over the field, Like he was one of those
Speaker 7: players that was just all over the field making plays.
Speaker 7: And I just I do think that when when Dallas
Speaker 7: s elected him, and from what I've what I've been
Speaker 7: what I've kind of heard, they had him pretty high
Speaker 7: on their draft board, I think it was a second
Speaker 7: round grade maybe for him. So that says to me,
Speaker 7: that says to me they have a vision for this
Speaker 7: player that maybe is even different than what a lot
Speaker 7: of other teams evaluate him as as just a linebacker
Speaker 7: or just the safety or wherever it is that they
Speaker 7: think they would want to play him. I think Dallas
Speaker 7: has a special role for him that they're thinking about
Speaker 7: that makes him very valuable.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 3: The thing about him, too, is it came down to
Speaker 3: that meaning the discussion was with another Texas player, with
Speaker 3: Roshawn Johnson, and then you're right, Derek they had overshown
Speaker 3: clearly around ahead of what they had ro Shawn Johnson,
Speaker 3: So you know that's that was the discussion, but the
Speaker 3: planned part of it. I totally agree with you.
Speaker 8: On I just think that a lot of these guys,
Speaker 8: you know, that's that's just something that when fans look
Speaker 8: at they are not looking at players the way the
Speaker 8: Cowboys are or the way the teams are. And even
Speaker 8: like some of your your draft analysts that you know
Speaker 8: that they cover them, that they have to cover these
Speaker 8: guys globally, not so much what they need for each
Speaker 8: specific guy, but it's also to twenty twenty four free agency.
Speaker 8: I mean like they are looking at free agency in
Speaker 8: twenty twenty four thinking, all right, Curse is a free
Speaker 8: agent at the end of this year, are we going
Speaker 8: to resign him? Is you know if not, if we don't,
Speaker 8: can this guy do what he does? Or you know,
Speaker 8: Hankins is on a one year deal. If he doesn't
Speaker 8: come back next year because he's getting up there in age,
Speaker 8: does Mazie Smith come in for that? So there's more
Speaker 8: than just take this guy because he was the highest
Speaker 8: rated player I see. There's there's a lot of actors
Speaker 8: in is how does he fit, how does he fit
Speaker 8: long term? So I think Overshown's that type of guy.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'll tell you that I'm really excited about this pick.
Speaker 7: I would have been excited for him or Roshan because
Speaker 7: I think both of them are really good players. Obviously,
Speaker 7: you guys know what my feelings were on the other
Speaker 7: running back and how much I wanted him. But I
Speaker 7: thought both these two players were really, really good players,
Speaker 7: and I was excited for the Cowboys to get one
Speaker 7: of them because I do think they that it will
Speaker 7: pay dividends down the road.
Speaker 5: They will be able to find a good.
Speaker 3: Role for him.
Speaker 7: All Right, let's talk about the fourth round pick and
Speaker 7: the fourth round pick, number one, twenty nine. They pick
Speaker 7: Villiami Junior Fioko from San Jose State.
Speaker 5: Gimme a Scotter report on him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is a guy they're probably gonna play as
Speaker 3: a three technique. He's a defensive end at San Jose State.
Speaker 3: You're talking about a guy that's super active in the
Speaker 3: way that he's always around the football. He's one of
Speaker 3: those guys I gambled on of my two hundred and ten.
Speaker 3: I didn't see him, and I had to go back
Speaker 3: Luckily the guys like Zach Walchuk and Iish and him
Speaker 3: had seen him during the drift, so they were able
Speaker 3: to cover him up. But he was a defensive end.
Speaker 3: But they're going to play him at that three technique
Speaker 3: because what he's got is he's got the ability. He
Speaker 3: plays with tremendous quickness. You can see here on the
Speaker 3: highlights if you're falling along, I know, if you're listening,
Speaker 3: I'm sorry about that. That's terrible radio on my part.
Speaker 3: But you could see this guy on the outside here,
Speaker 3: and what he's able to do is close down on
Speaker 3: the scrimmage. You see the redirection right there. I mean,
Speaker 3: he can close some ground. But they feel like if
Speaker 3: they can move him inside and play that three technique
Speaker 3: on the shoulder and get him even closer to the ball,
Speaker 3: that he could win on those those one on one
Speaker 3: blocks and then be able to get right on the quarterback.
Speaker 7: He has the body type for three techniques. He does
Speaker 7: puts a little more weight on.
Speaker 3: He does. He just put a little bit more weight on.
Speaker 3: But you see him right here in the technique right
Speaker 3: you know, with he was playing inside there and then
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, now well they circle the wrong
Speaker 3: guy for you right there. But here you are with
Speaker 3: a guy like I say that that played on the edge,
Speaker 3: knows how to play with his hands, knows how to
Speaker 3: get up the field, plays with a great deal of power.
Speaker 3: You could see right there the close you know, took
Speaker 3: the ball away from the quarterback right there too, So
Speaker 3: you know, good for him. But that's where I think
Speaker 3: the plan for him is three technique.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: I know some people asked me, could this be Tyrone Crawford?
Speaker 3: You know, could that be the kind of I think?
Speaker 3: I think this guy is quicker than Crawford. I don't
Speaker 3: think he's as stiff as Crawford was, but but the
Speaker 3: same kind of idea. I appreciate the thought about a
Speaker 3: guy that could play the end or play the three.
Speaker 3: I think this guy, I think there's another guy that
Speaker 3: got a plan for for playing that three right there?
Speaker 7: That What does that mean for a guy like Golston
Speaker 7: who right now, Golsten is kind of that guy that's
Speaker 7: kind of in between play some defensive end can play
Speaker 7: tackle as well.
Speaker 3: I think it's more about Neville Gallimore, to be honest
Speaker 3: with you, I think it's I think they really like
Speaker 3: Golston at that as a three. You know, so he
Speaker 3: got Osa Golston and then Fojoko here with the possibility
Speaker 3: of him fitting in there. But I think this is
Speaker 3: more about you know, maybe there considering moving on from
Speaker 3: Neville Gallimore. We'll see they've you know, Neville was in
Speaker 3: the doghouse a little bit last year. Yeah, you know
Speaker 3: he's I think he has to have a much better
Speaker 3: off season going into what we're seeing now for training
Speaker 3: camp this year. And so that would be the guy
Speaker 3: that I would keep an eye on, or the spot
Speaker 3: I would keep an eye on.
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Speaker 7: We'll come back. Let's talk about us seeing Richards, We'll
Speaker 7: talk about Eric Scott. We certainly got to get to
Speaker 7: a little talk.
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Speaker 7: All right, Let's let's get these day three picks. I'm
Speaker 7: gonna go around the table. You guys, give me one
Speaker 7: person from day three, uh, that you want to talk
Speaker 7: about that you think was an interesting picnic.
Speaker 5: Let's start with you.
Speaker 8: Well, I mean, if your name's awesome, you better be so.
Speaker 8: Some Richards the the you know, offensive tackle from North Carolina.
Speaker 8: But he's really I think that they they like these
Speaker 8: tackles that can that can play guard. He's played one
Speaker 8: game at guard, but he's got the versatility to do that,
Speaker 8: and so I think that's, you know, that's going to
Speaker 8: be the type of player he's going to be. It's
Speaker 8: come in here and try to learn two positions. We'll
Speaker 8: see how s Marty.
Speaker 3: Is super athlete.
Speaker 7: By the way, is there any chance whatsoever that he
Speaker 7: could be your starting guard next year?
Speaker 3: I don't think so. I would leave the tackle. Yeah,
Speaker 3: i'd leave an offensive tackle, beynest with. I mean, you've
Speaker 3: got a lot of tackles, I know, but you watch
Speaker 3: got a lot of you watched in the ac of
Speaker 3: how this kid played, which is crazy along. I know
Speaker 3: right now, he is he is, He's a he's a
Speaker 3: legitimate tackle.
Speaker 8: I love the fact that what Mike McCarthy said at
Speaker 8: the owner's meetings a few weeks ago, months ago, says,
Speaker 8: I'm not even trying anymore to hope that these guys
Speaker 8: will be you know that I'll have all my lineman.
Speaker 8: I'm just gonna I'm just gonna expect them to get hurt,
Speaker 8: but I'm gonna have a lot of them and a
Speaker 8: lot of options, and so they're giving themselves.
Speaker 5: Long just position flexes, every really important here. Yeah, all right,
Speaker 5: let's let's talk about Douce fun dude.
Speaker 7: He was selected six round, the second six round, pick
Speaker 7: number two, twelve, running back from Kansas State.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm pretty sure everyone knows about him at this point.
Speaker 2: The moment the call went absolutely viral. I think it
Speaker 2: was trending on Twitter. He's the son of one of
Speaker 2: the Cowboys scouts, Chris Vaughan. He's a guy that you know,
Speaker 2: you might think, oh, he got drafted because his dad
Speaker 2: is a scout and probably put in a good word
Speaker 2: or something, but no, you look at his his college
Speaker 2: history and you see why he got drafted because of
Speaker 2: his own skill and talent. He's not necessarily a very
Speaker 2: tall guy or anything like that, but he's fast. We're
Speaker 2: looking at the highlights right now. He has the speed,
Speaker 2: he's explosive, he can run, so super excited to see
Speaker 2: him come in here and see what he can do
Speaker 2: with the team. And everyone here was celebrating. Everyone was
Speaker 2: very very happy, and as a parent, every parent out
Speaker 2: there definitely felt that moment that call. But again, make
Speaker 2: no mistake, he's not here because of his dad. He's
Speaker 2: here because he actually deserves it.
Speaker 5: If he was five nine, probably have been a second
Speaker 5: or third round.
Speaker 3: Absolutely absolutely catches the ball very very well. He's explosive.
Speaker 3: His long speed might not be great, but where he
Speaker 3: makes up for it is the initial quickness and his
Speaker 3: ability to, as we see right here, to finish. He's
Speaker 3: a very good receiver of the football.
Speaker 2: Actually, I think his size kind of helps him sometimes high. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he just kind of quick, quick, quick moves and escapes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's there's actually a history of some guys not
Speaker 3: at five to five, but there's a history of some
Speaker 3: shorter running backs that did have had some success in
Speaker 3: the in the NFL.
Speaker 7: Primary one being Darren Sprolls, who is also a mental
Speaker 7: went to uh win to Kansas State, So yeah, he's
Speaker 7: already got that connection and and uh and then communicating
Speaker 7: with him on a somewhat I guess regular basis. But
Speaker 7: but yeah, it's I look at this pick and I
Speaker 7: love the fact that the Cowboys got him where they
Speaker 7: got him. To me, it's great value and you just
Speaker 7: see what you can throw him in. The one question
Speaker 7: I have for you guys, I've heard, uh, he also
Speaker 7: can do some return type stuff. How does that work
Speaker 7: with somebody? How would you, guys evaluate that? When you're
Speaker 7: looking at someone like Turpin who can also who's obviously
Speaker 7: a really good skilled returner, how do how do you
Speaker 7: evaluate that when you look at a guy like this
Speaker 7: that may be able to do it as.
Speaker 8: Well, they're both one big hit away from not being
Speaker 8: available for you. Yeah, I mean that's that's the the
Speaker 8: You know, Turpin can't get hit and neither can this guy.
Speaker 8: Not really, I'm just saying, you know, but you know
Speaker 8: he was. I just think the more guys you can
Speaker 8: have that can do this kind of stuff, because the
Speaker 8: league guys said it best. And it's the same with
Speaker 8: with the punt return you gotta find him first kick
Speaker 8: return to you gotta find this guy, and then you
Speaker 8: find him, then he might be already passed you. So
Speaker 8: I think as a returner he could be valuable as well.
Speaker 3: Uh, Turpin might have better long speed and Deuce has
Speaker 3: better vision. That's the biggest.
Speaker 7: So how would you so if you said one of
Speaker 7: them is gonna do punts, one is gonna do kicks,
Speaker 7: which ones you think?
Speaker 1: Well? To me?
Speaker 3: To me, you have to get Deuce has to show
Speaker 3: me about the receiving it. I mean how he looks
Speaker 3: for turning punts and stuff like that. The kickoffs, that's
Speaker 3: some that's a hit and miss thing. Depending on if
Speaker 3: your indoors outdoors, you're either going to get opportunity or not.
Speaker 3: But I think the stuff with the punt, Deuce is
Speaker 3: gonna have to show me that. Like But like I
Speaker 3: said to being able to secure the ball and the vision.
Speaker 3: There were a couple of times where Turpin had opportunities
Speaker 3: to score touchdowns and then he made a decision that
Speaker 3: when it took him right into darkness instead of running
Speaker 3: the light. Yeah, so that's I think the biggest difference
Speaker 3: right now between the two.
Speaker 5: All Right, Bryan, tell me about Eric Scott.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Eric Scott. You're gonna like Eric Scott. He's six' one,
Speaker 3: he's one ninety seven. He plays what we call a
Speaker 3: field corner for Southern miss and that means he's one
Speaker 3: of those guys have a boundary corner usually that plays
Speaker 3: the short side of the field and the field corner
Speaker 3: plays the big side of the field, so he he
Speaker 3: covers a lot of ground, but he plays a ton
Speaker 3: of a ton of zone coverage. So when you watch
Speaker 3: him play, he almost plays sideways with his rear face
Speaker 3: in the sidelines and they try and funnel everything inside.
Speaker 3: Usually if you're field corner, you could play slot too
Speaker 3: because you're covering so much ground and stuff. This guy's
Speaker 3: got good movement skills. He's not tighte moving at all.
Speaker 3: He reacts well when he's pressured. He's not afraid to tackle,
Speaker 3: I'm sure beams showing you all those highlights where he
Speaker 3: was coming forward and tackling. I watched a couple of games,
Speaker 3: the Liberty Game and the two Lane Game where he
Speaker 3: had interceptions that were ended up being picked sixes. He's
Speaker 3: had five interceptions in his career in thirty four games.
Speaker 3: But he breaks on the football well. He's always around
Speaker 3: the ball, he tackles well, and he doesn't allow the
Speaker 3: receiver to get away from him. The Pro Day numbers
Speaker 3: he ran with a bad quad. He retested got in
Speaker 3: the four fours high number vertical high number broad jump.
Speaker 3: This guy's got a little explosive to his explosiveness too,
Speaker 3: to his game.
Speaker 7: Real quick, before we end the show, tell me about
Speaker 7: Jalen Brooks.
Speaker 3: Jalen Brooks is He's a wide receiver from South Carolina
Speaker 3: that just not a throwaway guy, really good special teams player.
Speaker 3: He's kind of going to take the role of Noah
Speaker 3: Brown with can play personal protector, can play the flyer
Speaker 3: or the gunner outside, kind of does a lot of
Speaker 3: the dirty work inside routes, catches a ball well, Spencer Rattler,
Speaker 3: the quarterback kind of got things going late in the
Speaker 3: year and throwing the ball better. But initially when you
Speaker 3: watch him play ball behind him making a catch ball
Speaker 3: behind the hotcher, Yeah, he is a bad ball catcher.
Speaker 3: So I would kind of think that you would see
Speaker 3: a similarity with him and what Noah Brown used to
Speaker 3: do with you, all the dirty things that nobody else
Speaker 3: wants to do. This guy can make those types of plays.
Speaker 5: So that's like he's got kind of a bigger body
Speaker 5: like Noah Brown too.
Speaker 3: Yes, a receiver, it does, and you know, and that's
Speaker 3: the thing about him is this guy will extend to
Speaker 3: go make plays and he's got toughness about him too.
Speaker 3: This when you get down sixth, seventh round, you're kind
Speaker 3: of looking at traits, but don't sleep on this guy
Speaker 3: as a receiver to come in here and have some
Speaker 3: really good practices for you.
Speaker 7: All Right, that's a wrap for us. We'll be back
Speaker 7: next week. Next week, I want to dig a little
Speaker 7: deeper into maybe what this means and certainly what it
Speaker 7: means for other players on this team. Where the Cowboys
Speaker 7: now sit going into getting ready now for their offseason
Speaker 7: work and the and the training camp, and we'll talk
Speaker 7: a little bit more about that till then. For nick
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