WEBVTT - Cowboys Break: Pick by Pick 0:00:02.960 --> 0:00:05.360 Following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and 0:00:05.400 --> 0:00:06.920 the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. 0:00:09.240 --> 0:00:15.000 Cowboys, Let's go. 0:00:15.440 --> 0:00:16.640 Are you ready for a break? 0:00:16.920 --> 0:00:17.200 Yes? 0:00:17.440 --> 0:00:19.040 Are you ready for a break? 0:00:19.160 --> 0:00:22.319 Absolutely? Ready for a break? Yeah? 0:00:22.520 --> 0:00:24.200 And so much for that. 0:00:24.400 --> 0:00:28.600 It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. 0:00:28.680 --> 0:00:31.080 We were with Nick. 0:00:31.000 --> 0:00:35.880 Eatman, Brian brought Us and Bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton. 0:00:37.920 --> 0:00:41.559 It is Tuesday, May second, twenty twenty three, Seasons nineteen, 0:00:41.600 --> 0:00:44.280 Episode number five. Welcome to the list edition of The Break. 0:00:44.280 --> 0:00:46.839 We're a lot from the SWBC Mortgage studios at the 0:00:46.840 --> 0:00:49.040 Star and presented by Miller like the only beer of 0:00:49.080 --> 0:00:53.160 the Dallas Cowboys. We are fresh off of the twenty 0:00:53.240 --> 0:00:56.320 twenty three NFL Draft, so today's show will be dominated 0:00:56.360 --> 0:00:59.000 by draft talk. I got Nick and Brian and Amber 0:00:59.040 --> 0:01:02.320 here with me. We'll talk each pick and what their 0:01:02.360 --> 0:01:04.760 scouting report is and also where they will fit on 0:01:04.800 --> 0:01:08.920 this team. Lots of interesting names, players that maybe everybody 0:01:08.920 --> 0:01:13.800 didn't expect. But you know, again, as I said on Twitter, 0:01:13.920 --> 0:01:15.920 and I think I've heard you guys say as well, 0:01:16.440 --> 0:01:20.240 this this front office, particularly this scouting department, deserves a 0:01:20.240 --> 0:01:22.959 bit of benefit of doubt. If you have doubt about 0:01:23.000 --> 0:01:26.640 picks because of what they've done over the last really, 0:01:27.040 --> 0:01:29.240 I guess eight to ten years in the draft. 0:01:29.280 --> 0:01:31.000 So let's talk about it. Let's jump right in. 0:01:31.080 --> 0:01:34.280 Let's talk about the first round pick, Mazzie Smith, defensive 0:01:34.319 --> 0:01:35.320 tackle from Michigan. 0:01:35.360 --> 0:01:37.720 He was selected at number twenty six overall. 0:01:37.720 --> 0:01:41.160 Start first by giving me a scouting report on Mozzie Smith. 0:01:41.360 --> 0:01:46.440 He's strong, I'll start there. 0:01:46.440 --> 0:01:48.000 Not gonna tell me about his hips. You're not gonna 0:01:48.000 --> 0:01:51.600 tell me about the bride. They're gonna tell me he's strong. Okay, good, They's. 0:01:51.400 --> 0:01:53.680 Strong, and that's a position of need because they there 0:01:53.720 --> 0:01:55.440 were games where they got their ass kick right in 0:01:55.440 --> 0:01:56.960 the middle of the line. So they didn't want to 0:01:56.960 --> 0:01:59.280 do that anymore, so they said, let's let's let's try 0:01:59.320 --> 0:02:01.640 to fix that. So that's I mean, that's just the 0:02:01.680 --> 0:02:04.280 basic part of him. I mean, Brian watched a lot 0:02:04.320 --> 0:02:04.960 more of his game. 0:02:05.080 --> 0:02:07.640 Yeah, I think when you watch Mazzie Smith, and especially 0:02:07.760 --> 0:02:09.600 some of those games where he played against some of 0:02:09.639 --> 0:02:13.799 the better offensive lines in the Big Ten, the the 0:02:15.280 --> 0:02:18.519 Ohio States, the Minnesota's people like that, you know that 0:02:18.680 --> 0:02:23.920 had those guys that we were evaluating for for the draft. 0:02:23.960 --> 0:02:27.520 He did a really nice job. The scheme that he 0:02:27.600 --> 0:02:30.520 plays in might be a little bit restrictive when you 0:02:30.560 --> 0:02:33.720 watch him because you're thinking about where's the production, where 0:02:33.720 --> 0:02:36.240 are the sack numbers? Where are these things? He plays 0:02:36.280 --> 0:02:38.359 in the system what we call two gap, where you 0:02:38.440 --> 0:02:41.720 read and react, So it's basically the extension. It's the 0:02:41.760 --> 0:02:44.360 looking side, it's the peak to the backside, and then 0:02:44.400 --> 0:02:47.560 it's it's to go. But when he's on that mode 0:02:47.600 --> 0:02:50.839 where he's just going up the field, Nick's right, he's 0:02:50.880 --> 0:02:53.519 extremely strong in the upper and lower body. He could 0:02:53.600 --> 0:02:57.160 drive guys back. He could be disruptive in the pocket, 0:02:57.240 --> 0:02:59.520 especially when you try and run the ball to the 0:02:59.600 --> 0:03:01.920 say the off tackle sides. You put him and let 0:03:02.040 --> 0:03:05.680 him just like play that gap or the gap and 0:03:05.720 --> 0:03:09.200 a half over. He's the type of guy that's athletic 0:03:09.320 --> 0:03:11.680 enough to get over far enough to so if the 0:03:11.720 --> 0:03:15.360 ball goes to the edge right in that tackle box area, 0:03:15.880 --> 0:03:18.200 he could get over there, kind of stuff things up, 0:03:18.400 --> 0:03:21.839 hold that edge and then don't give you any cutback lane, 0:03:21.880 --> 0:03:24.360 but also make a play right in that area. Just 0:03:24.760 --> 0:03:27.400 really does a great job of playing with his hands 0:03:27.440 --> 0:03:30.280 and being able to control the blockers. That's something that 0:03:30.760 --> 0:03:33.400 you know Nick mentioned last year that they struggled with 0:03:33.440 --> 0:03:35.600 when Hankins went out. It was kind of like, Okay, 0:03:35.640 --> 0:03:37.960 how they going to make up for you know, to 0:03:38.080 --> 0:03:40.200 hold up blocks, how they're going to play in the 0:03:40.280 --> 0:03:43.400 running game Manzi Smith. The one thing that this this 0:03:43.560 --> 0:03:45.960 coaching staff will do for him, and Will McClay even 0:03:46.040 --> 0:03:49.160 mentioned it, They'll open up his stance a little bit more. 0:03:49.440 --> 0:03:51.080 You know, maybe they felt like he was playing a 0:03:51.120 --> 0:03:53.080 little tight, but open him up a little more and 0:03:53.120 --> 0:03:54.920 then that way you might get a little bit more 0:03:55.240 --> 0:03:58.720 quickness for pass rush stuff. So I do like to 0:03:58.760 --> 0:04:01.360 pick just because of the fact that and Will said 0:04:01.400 --> 0:04:05.440 this himself in the audio that we heard that we 0:04:05.480 --> 0:04:08.400 haven't had a defensive tackle like this that we can draft. 0:04:08.400 --> 0:04:11.560 If you remember the previous administration, the Rod Mary and 0:04:11.600 --> 0:04:14.240 Ellie administration, it was never really an interest of taking 0:04:14.640 --> 0:04:19.560 a guy that can play that heavy position. Even though 0:04:19.640 --> 0:04:22.640 Rod Marinelli had Booger McFarlane as that type of guy. 0:04:22.720 --> 0:04:26.000 I mean, he had a strong inside presence. He's always 0:04:26.040 --> 0:04:30.360 had that kind of guy. So I think they absolutely 0:04:30.400 --> 0:04:33.359 did the right thing at that particular time of getting 0:04:33.360 --> 0:04:35.760 a player that fits something that could definitely help this 0:04:35.839 --> 0:04:36.839 defense in the middle. 0:04:37.960 --> 0:04:41.360 Yeah, when they picked him. It was for me one 0:04:41.400 --> 0:04:45.479 of those moments that I wasn't super stoked or excited about. 0:04:45.520 --> 0:04:49.040 I'm like, okay, because I'm thinking, again, do we need 0:04:49.080 --> 0:04:51.799 a guy like him? Absolutely, But at the same time, 0:04:52.080 --> 0:04:55.599 we have bigger needs in other areas around the team 0:04:55.640 --> 0:04:57.840 that you need something like that, someone like that. But 0:04:57.880 --> 0:04:59.839 they as soon as you see him come in here 0:05:00.320 --> 0:05:05.039 the next day, you understand immediately why the Cowboys fell 0:05:05.080 --> 0:05:07.480 in love with him, and you yourself start falling in 0:05:07.480 --> 0:05:11.839 love with him as a person and also sorry and 0:05:11.880 --> 0:05:14.640 also looking at his body top. You keep talking about strength, 0:05:15.040 --> 0:05:18.360 but the type of strength this guy has is visible 0:05:18.440 --> 0:05:21.320 to the eyes. Tyler Smith. Last year you saw him 0:05:21.360 --> 0:05:23.560 come in and we were talking about his size as well. 0:05:24.240 --> 0:05:28.320 But MASSI he's like pure muscle, like he has some 0:05:28.560 --> 0:05:31.640 guns on his arms, and you just see that type 0:05:31.680 --> 0:05:34.360 of weight that you typically talk about. Oh, second year, 0:05:34.640 --> 0:05:37.159 they'll put on some weight, go out there and be 0:05:37.240 --> 0:05:40.120 even better. This guy's already there what he needs to be. 0:05:40.200 --> 0:05:43.520 So if this is a starting point for him, I 0:05:43.560 --> 0:05:46.440 can't wait to see what he becomes this season, and 0:05:46.600 --> 0:05:49.160 especially how he helps. Like Brian said, you talked about 0:05:49.160 --> 0:05:52.560 the running defense. How he helps the Cowboys in that area. 0:05:52.760 --> 0:05:54.560 Where does he fit on this defensive front? 0:05:54.560 --> 0:05:57.120 Because I did lose Carlos Watkins this offseason, who I 0:05:57.160 --> 0:06:00.960 thought was a really nice piece for their interior D fence. Obviously, 0:06:00.960 --> 0:06:03.880 they brought back Hankins. Hankins, we saw the difference teammate 0:06:04.000 --> 0:06:06.080 last year in the run game when he was on 0:06:06.120 --> 0:06:09.160 the field, but an older veteran player. They needed some 0:06:09.240 --> 0:06:11.520 youth there. You got Ah set as a three technique, 0:06:11.520 --> 0:06:14.039 you got Gallimore. Where does he really fit in? And 0:06:14.120 --> 0:06:16.280 who might be now looking at it like, hey, I've 0:06:16.320 --> 0:06:18.160 really got to prove something this camp in order to 0:06:18.200 --> 0:06:19.080 make sure I got a job. 0:06:19.320 --> 0:06:22.760 Boll Hannah Is it's not great for him, you know, 0:06:22.800 --> 0:06:24.919 I think he I think it sounds like he's gonna 0:06:24.960 --> 0:06:27.200 play more of a one technique. But he's got the 0:06:27.400 --> 0:06:29.560 I mean, just look at the clip. I don't know 0:06:29.600 --> 0:06:34.040 if you saw the one where he's jumping exactly. That's 0:06:34.160 --> 0:06:35.960 is that the what is that? That's not a broad jump? 0:06:36.200 --> 0:06:38.919 That's the like it's like a standing broad jump, like 0:06:38.920 --> 0:06:40.240 it's not a run as a standing brode. 0:06:40.240 --> 0:06:43.160 So then he does like in a row like explosive 0:06:43.680 --> 0:06:46.320 that's unbelievable. So I think he's got ability to play 0:06:46.520 --> 0:06:49.560 inside as both the one and the three. I think 0:06:49.600 --> 0:06:53.320 it was I think dan Quinn said they may even 0:06:53.360 --> 0:06:56.320 put those guys in there together, so well, he's going 0:06:56.360 --> 0:06:57.600 to be right in the middle of it, right in 0:06:57.600 --> 0:06:59.720 the middle of the trenches. I mean, this is if 0:06:59.720 --> 0:07:02.680 hank is still playing at a high level. This this 0:07:02.839 --> 0:07:06.920 is the you know, to me some comparison to Jonathan 0:07:06.920 --> 0:07:09.800 Allen and Payne for Washington, I think you have a 0:07:09.880 --> 0:07:12.360 chance because what those guys are. They have some agility, 0:07:12.360 --> 0:07:14.440 but they have a lot of strength to and you know, 0:07:14.480 --> 0:07:17.080 the Eagles have beefed up there inside. The Giants have 0:07:17.120 --> 0:07:19.800 some really good defensive tackles. I think the Cowboys now 0:07:19.840 --> 0:07:21.400 are trying to say, well, you know, we're gonna match 0:07:21.440 --> 0:07:22.320 up with that as well. 0:07:22.480 --> 0:07:25.480 It kind of allows you to take Mazzi Smith at 0:07:25.640 --> 0:07:28.520 training camp and give him all the reps knowing you 0:07:28.800 --> 0:07:32.120 have an idea what Jonathan Hankins is, so maybe you 0:07:32.280 --> 0:07:35.120 saved some wear and tear on Jonathan Hankins going into 0:07:35.120 --> 0:07:37.360 the season. You know, yeah, he's going to get reps 0:07:37.400 --> 0:07:40.400 and stuff during practice. But to be honest, with every 0:07:40.560 --> 0:07:43.520 practice that we attend in Oxnard, we need to be 0:07:43.560 --> 0:07:47.400 watching Mazzi Smith playing with OsO diggi Za. We need 0:07:47.440 --> 0:07:50.160 to watch him with Chauncey Golston, whoever they're going to 0:07:50.200 --> 0:07:55.080 play at that three. Fojoko, who they just drafted, you know, 0:07:55.240 --> 0:07:58.680 he's listed as a defensive end. You know, you talk 0:07:58.760 --> 0:08:00.960 to Shari Floyd about it the bit he's saying they're 0:08:01.000 --> 0:08:04.640 interested in moving Fojoko into that three technique. So yeah, 0:08:04.680 --> 0:08:07.440 as many is, if you could save some weird tear 0:08:07.520 --> 0:08:10.960 on Hankins and then but also get Mazi all the 0:08:11.000 --> 0:08:13.320 reps and get him in the rotation with the other 0:08:13.360 --> 0:08:15.720 guys who he's going to play with. That's how you're 0:08:15.760 --> 0:08:18.560 going to quickly figure out exactly where he needs to 0:08:18.560 --> 0:08:20.400 play and how much he needs to play. 0:08:20.640 --> 0:08:23.240 And irony is kind of a funny thing because back 0:08:23.240 --> 0:08:27.200 in twenty thirteen they had the I believe, the nineteenth 0:08:27.280 --> 0:08:30.960 pick in the draft and the best guy it seemed 0:08:31.040 --> 0:08:34.360 like with Sharif Floyd. Yeah, but they priennally didn't really 0:08:34.400 --> 0:08:36.000 want to take that guy. I don't think that was 0:08:36.000 --> 0:08:38.520 where the Cowboys were picking, and they even said it themselves, 0:08:38.559 --> 0:08:40.160 we don't take this type of player. Ten to twelve 0:08:40.200 --> 0:08:42.640 years ago. Well, now they moved back to thirty one 0:08:43.000 --> 0:08:46.000 or thirty two, they got Frederick great pig. Of course 0:08:46.600 --> 0:08:49.400 Cherie Floyd now didn't really have a great career, and 0:08:49.440 --> 0:08:51.240 now now he's coaching and he's going to be one 0:08:51.240 --> 0:08:54.040 of the guys coaching Mazzi Smith. As they did change 0:08:54.080 --> 0:08:56.520 their their philosophy, so you know so well. 0:08:56.520 --> 0:08:59.760 I think the philosophy switch is big, and I think 0:09:00.240 --> 0:09:03.760 what them making the trades early for the wide receiver 0:09:03.960 --> 0:09:07.040 and making the trade for the corner really opened up 0:09:07.080 --> 0:09:10.000 the board for them. This was a really difficult draft 0:09:10.040 --> 0:09:12.840 for us on our end, I know, on the draft show, 0:09:12.880 --> 0:09:16.320 to have to figure out exactly. I mean, we learned 0:09:16.320 --> 0:09:18.720 some things along the way. Yes, they liked the tight end. 0:09:18.800 --> 0:09:21.320 Yes they had the tight ends in a different order. Yes, 0:09:21.360 --> 0:09:23.560 they were willing to Mozzie Smith was a name that 0:09:23.720 --> 0:09:27.280 was talked about, you know, along with others that maybe 0:09:27.320 --> 0:09:29.559 if they got wiped out, that they would be considered. 0:09:29.600 --> 0:09:31.440 I don't think they felt like they got wiped out 0:09:31.440 --> 0:09:33.959 here we were saying that they were gonna get wiped out, 0:09:33.960 --> 0:09:36.640 they would take Mozzie Smith. They were all on board 0:09:36.679 --> 0:09:42.439 with Mozzie Smith, you know, with him and bergeron from Syracuse. 0:09:43.080 --> 0:09:45.240 You know, I mean, either way they would have gone there, 0:09:45.320 --> 0:09:47.320 that would have really helped what they were trying to do. 0:09:47.480 --> 0:09:49.719 And quite frankly, it seemed like Mozzie Smith was the 0:09:49.760 --> 0:09:52.520 guy they targeted going into this draft, like they really 0:09:52.520 --> 0:09:54.680 wanted him, they really wanted to add him to their defense. 0:09:55.000 --> 0:09:56.760 And I think a lot of that has to do 0:09:56.840 --> 0:09:59.000 with the fact that you look at like you said, Nick, 0:09:59.040 --> 0:10:01.920 there was some games, particularly two years ago, but even 0:10:02.000 --> 0:10:06.160 last year, especially in games where Hankins was not there, 0:10:06.640 --> 0:10:08.840 they had some problems stopping the run, and I think 0:10:08.880 --> 0:10:10.880 that it was like, if you look at this defense, 0:10:11.440 --> 0:10:13.440 they feel like they got the pass rushers. They fact 0:10:13.440 --> 0:10:15.760 they got the ballhawks on the second in the secondary. 0:10:16.040 --> 0:10:18.480 At this point, it really is about can you force 0:10:18.559 --> 0:10:20.920 teams if you win on the early downs, can you 0:10:20.960 --> 0:10:23.719 force teams into obvious passing situations? And if you can 0:10:23.760 --> 0:10:27.079 do that, that makes your defense even better because now 0:10:27.120 --> 0:10:29.120 you make them go against the strength of your defense, 0:10:29.160 --> 0:10:31.320 which is your pass rush. 0:10:31.480 --> 0:10:32.280 All right, let's move on. 0:10:32.360 --> 0:10:34.360 Let's go to the second round, pick number fifty eight 0:10:34.400 --> 0:10:38.400 overall tight end Luke Shoon Maker Scoon it is Schoon 0:10:38.480 --> 0:10:43.320 Okay Akoon Shoon and Okay Schoonmaker Michigan tight end, give 0:10:43.320 --> 0:10:45.160 me a scout report on Yeah with. 0:10:45.240 --> 0:10:48.640 A thing with Luke Schoonmaker. Michigan is a very physical team. 0:10:49.080 --> 0:10:51.360 We talked about Big ten football. We mentioned it with 0:10:51.480 --> 0:10:53.880 Maszi Smith that how they play with a lot of 0:10:53.880 --> 0:10:57.080 different guys that are really tough up front. Lucas one 0:10:57.160 --> 0:10:59.840 of those guys. Blake Korum is a running back. If 0:10:59.840 --> 0:11:03.560 you watch the Big Big ten noon football, it's Michigan 0:11:03.679 --> 0:11:06.679 usually playing somebody and you'll see Michigan the way they 0:11:06.720 --> 0:11:09.360 run the ball downhill and they're one of the Michigan 0:11:09.679 --> 0:11:13.240 was one of the top college offensive lines this year. 0:11:13.320 --> 0:11:16.480 They won the Joe Moore Award for their five guys. 0:11:16.880 --> 0:11:19.040 Luke Schoonmaker was a big part of what they do. 0:11:19.120 --> 0:11:21.200 When they run the ball with Blake Krum, they usually 0:11:21.240 --> 0:11:24.000 run it behind Schoonmaker and he's a He could play 0:11:24.000 --> 0:11:26.280 in line why, which means he can line up next 0:11:26.280 --> 0:11:28.800 to the tackle. You could flex him. You could also 0:11:28.880 --> 0:11:31.320 bring him in motion. He's a really good point of 0:11:31.360 --> 0:11:35.400 attack blocker. I think the scheme limits his ability to 0:11:35.440 --> 0:11:38.120 catch the football. I don't think this is Wiskegan's game. 0:11:38.200 --> 0:11:41.000 The Michigan scheme. I don't think the Michigan scheme allows 0:11:41.080 --> 0:11:44.400 him to play with the way that he is capable 0:11:44.480 --> 0:11:47.680 of playing. You could see him getting down the field 0:11:47.960 --> 0:11:51.440 finding space, they drag him underneath. You see him catch 0:11:51.480 --> 0:11:53.880 balls along the sidelines. You see him make plays in 0:11:53.920 --> 0:11:56.560 the red zone. He has got a real feel for 0:11:56.720 --> 0:11:59.000 how to get the ball into the end zone when 0:11:59.040 --> 0:12:01.760 he gets the opportunity need to do that. So I 0:12:01.800 --> 0:12:04.679 feel like though in this scheme, they will find ways 0:12:04.720 --> 0:12:08.360 to get him in routes, the combinations and allow him 0:12:08.360 --> 0:12:11.160 to show more of this. But the blocking stuff is 0:12:12.720 --> 0:12:15.360 special in the way that, again the ball is coming 0:12:15.400 --> 0:12:17.520 behind him, He's not on the back side on a 0:12:17.520 --> 0:12:19.640 lot of plays. He's right there at the point of 0:12:19.679 --> 0:12:21.320 attack getting those blocks. 0:12:21.720 --> 0:12:24.040 And what I was told I was talking to a 0:12:24.040 --> 0:12:26.160 few people about him. If you if you create all 0:12:26.160 --> 0:12:28.880 of the aspects that a tight end needs, you know, 0:12:29.040 --> 0:12:32.480 the pass catching, the blocking, the awareness, the agility, just 0:12:32.559 --> 0:12:35.040 everything about it, from one to ten, he's going to 0:12:35.120 --> 0:12:37.320 have the highest score right now than any other tight 0:12:37.400 --> 0:12:39.880 end on the team. He may not be the best, 0:12:40.320 --> 0:12:43.079 you know, route runner, pass catcher, but what he makes 0:12:43.160 --> 0:12:44.960 up for is the blocking. But he's not that far 0:12:45.040 --> 0:12:47.640 behind on the other side, I think, you know, and 0:12:47.720 --> 0:12:49.800 Lunda Wells also said that that he's a guy that 0:12:49.880 --> 0:12:52.840 could be a three down tight end, and that's that's 0:12:52.840 --> 0:12:55.080 pretty rare to come into the league and be a 0:12:55.080 --> 0:12:56.319 guy that could be three downs. 0:12:56.960 --> 0:12:59.760 He doesn't labor at all getting up the field. That's 0:12:59.840 --> 0:13:01.840 not a problem at all. There's sometimes some of these 0:13:01.840 --> 0:13:04.040 guys that if they're just block, kind of block only 0:13:04.080 --> 0:13:06.840 guys that they struggle to, you know, have a little 0:13:06.840 --> 0:13:09.200 bit of that wiggle to be able to get up 0:13:09.240 --> 0:13:11.319 the field and make the routes. I think the awareness 0:13:11.360 --> 0:13:14.040 you mentioned is something that's really and I feel like 0:13:14.080 --> 0:13:16.559 he's got some dependable hands. I mean you see him 0:13:16.640 --> 0:13:20.400 like you know, he'll he'll adjust the catch radius, he'll adjust. 0:13:20.480 --> 0:13:22.960 And the quarterbacks at Michigan aren't really accurate though in 0:13:22.960 --> 0:13:25.600 the football. So you know, my last line of my 0:13:25.600 --> 0:13:27.680 notes was respect the way he blocks, but also the 0:13:27.720 --> 0:13:30.400 way he catches the ball. That was the last line 0:13:30.400 --> 0:13:33.040 I had in my notes. And you know, is it 0:13:33.080 --> 0:13:36.360 maybe around early? You know, yeah, but you got to 0:13:36.360 --> 0:13:38.720 remember when you're picking at the back end of the draft, 0:13:39.320 --> 0:13:42.080 you sometimes have to go around early because you're not 0:13:42.120 --> 0:13:44.520 going to get that player coming back around. It just 0:13:44.600 --> 0:13:47.000 doesn't happen just when you think like, hey, we got 0:13:47.040 --> 0:13:49.400 to hit this pick now, because if we don't, we're 0:13:49.400 --> 0:13:51.440 not going to have you know, I know they really 0:13:51.559 --> 0:13:54.520 liked Laporta from Iowa a lot, and you know that 0:13:54.679 --> 0:13:58.079 was something that that that surely considered. But Schoonmaker was 0:13:58.160 --> 0:14:00.240 kind of in that. I mean, I had Schoonmaker and 0:14:00.320 --> 0:14:03.240 Laporta in the same round on my board right there, 0:14:03.320 --> 0:14:07.000 so I understand exactly what they did that was gonna be. 0:14:07.120 --> 0:14:11.800 My question was just wondering if, oh my god, I 0:14:11.840 --> 0:14:15.800 can really speak today, I'm sorry, wondering if they actually 0:14:15.840 --> 0:14:18.640 picked him because they had a high grade on him 0:14:18.679 --> 0:14:22.120 and they actually wanted him, or because they were forced 0:14:22.160 --> 0:14:25.080 to kind of address the position, giving the fact that 0:14:25.120 --> 0:14:27.440 as soon as the second round started you started seeing 0:14:27.480 --> 0:14:30.760 a lot of those tight ends being picked. So as 0:14:30.800 --> 0:14:32.880 far as like what you guys saw or what you 0:14:33.520 --> 0:14:37.120 would assume how things were went down, do you think 0:14:37.200 --> 0:14:39.280 he was actually a guy that the Cowboys kind of 0:14:39.360 --> 0:14:40.520 were high on him? 0:14:40.840 --> 0:14:43.320 I think there absolutely were high on him. I mentioned 0:14:43.520 --> 0:14:46.480 I think the coaching staff was really high on Laporta, 0:14:46.600 --> 0:14:49.560 and I feel like though when the trade went ahead 0:14:49.560 --> 0:14:52.440 of them in the first round where it was Kincaid, 0:14:52.960 --> 0:14:55.600 you when you saw the war room camp. They weren't bothered. 0:14:55.880 --> 0:14:59.160 They didn't look there was no you know, banging of 0:14:59.200 --> 0:15:03.160 the tables or no quick adjustments. Everybody looked pretty calm. 0:15:03.160 --> 0:15:05.360 They were they were they were okay with what was 0:15:05.440 --> 0:15:08.400 going on in the draft. They had their guys in mind. 0:15:08.480 --> 0:15:11.840 Mozzie Smith was a guy obviously that they completely had 0:15:11.840 --> 0:15:14.240 in mind. But when they got around to the pick, yeah, 0:15:14.280 --> 0:15:16.960 you saw some guys going and I think that if 0:15:17.040 --> 0:15:19.720 Laporta was there, they would have they would have picked Laporta. 0:15:19.880 --> 0:15:23.000 I mean, I think that. But they also told us 0:15:23.080 --> 0:15:25.160 pre draft Stephen Jones that I know in one O 0:15:25.240 --> 0:15:27.280 five three of the Fan that he said, you know, 0:15:27.320 --> 0:15:29.760 it's hard to find guys that can do both, and 0:15:29.800 --> 0:15:32.800 that's what Schoonmaker can do. He can block. I mean, 0:15:33.280 --> 0:15:35.640 and you look at the athletic testing numbers. If you 0:15:35.640 --> 0:15:37.760 were one of these people that believe in metrics and 0:15:37.800 --> 0:15:42.080 all those things, Luke Schoonmaker's athletic testing numbers were much 0:15:42.320 --> 0:15:44.920 better than what you had with your You know, you're 0:15:44.960 --> 0:15:48.000 with Jake Ferguson. I mean, he's a much better, much 0:15:48.000 --> 0:15:51.520 better athlete than Jake Ferguson. So you know that to me, 0:15:51.760 --> 0:15:54.320 if you got a blocker, a good athlete, and then 0:15:54.360 --> 0:15:56.800 you show some ability to catch the football. It made 0:15:56.800 --> 0:15:58.360 perfect sense why they did what they did. 0:15:58.480 --> 0:16:01.880 Yeah, and also you know you're talking about how big 0:16:01.920 --> 0:16:04.400 of a need it was. I think it was a need. 0:16:04.880 --> 0:16:07.120 I don't think it was a major need because if 0:16:07.120 --> 0:16:09.080 it was, they had a chance to take the highest 0:16:09.080 --> 0:16:10.960 tight end or rated on their board. I mean when 0:16:11.040 --> 0:16:15.920 he was there at twenty six, I don't think I 0:16:15.960 --> 0:16:17.720 don't think that was their highest rated. 0:16:21.640 --> 0:16:22.000 Tight end. 0:16:22.040 --> 0:16:23.440 So and they had a chance to get them. So 0:16:23.600 --> 0:16:26.000 if you have a major need and the best is available, 0:16:26.040 --> 0:16:28.360 you would take them. They they wanted to do it, 0:16:28.400 --> 0:16:29.960 but they also look at a value and they said, 0:16:29.960 --> 0:16:32.120 all right, you know the difference between this tight end 0:16:32.320 --> 0:16:34.760 and then the second round as opposed to Mazzie Smith 0:16:34.800 --> 0:16:37.080 and the next defensive tackle, we're going to get stuff 0:16:37.120 --> 0:16:40.880 to run. Probably it's not comparable. So they went that rounde. 0:16:40.880 --> 0:16:42.440 So not the first time we've seen a team. You 0:16:42.440 --> 0:16:44.600 were in the room when when it was a deep 0:16:44.640 --> 0:16:46.560 tight end class back in two thousand and three, and 0:16:46.560 --> 0:16:48.560 they could have taken the second round they took out 0:16:48.680 --> 0:16:51.680 john but they took Al Johnson thinking we'll get some 0:16:51.720 --> 0:16:53.400 deep tight ends here in the third round. 0:16:53.360 --> 0:16:55.160 And would be available. 0:16:55.160 --> 0:16:57.200 But he will we thinking somebody would be available, and 0:16:57.480 --> 0:17:00.800 it was written so you know, sometimes that just clothes 0:17:00.880 --> 0:17:03.520 to show what type of need. It really was a need, 0:17:03.560 --> 0:17:05.280 but not a pressing need for him. 0:17:05.440 --> 0:17:07.199 We will take our first break when we come back. 0:17:07.200 --> 0:17:09.720 We got to talk about Texas football. 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