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Consulting producer on BATS. 27 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 1: The Crop. I made her as a young writer on 28 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 1: Robert Townsen's The Parenthood. She went on from there to 29 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 1: become UH is that goutive produced in co creative the 30 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 1: groundbreaking Moitia UH with teen sitcom starring Brandy and the 31 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 1: Parkers which start UH the Incredible Monique. Please Welcome to 32 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: Money Making Conversations. The One and Only Sarah Finney Johnson. 33 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 1: Good morning, Good morning, How are you good? Energy? Then 34 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 1: Sarah on the West Coast? I'm up, So Sarah, Yeah, 35 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 1: what's your schedule? You know what's you are you working 36 00:01:57,120 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 1: on right now? Um? It's the new show another our 37 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 1: drama from BT from Tracy Edmonds and Vanessa Middleton and 38 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 1: I can't give you the title because it's gonna change, 39 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:10,799 Speaker 1: but it is coming to bet in the spring of nine. 40 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 1: Can you tell us a little bit about the story 41 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 1: the show. Um, it's about three women and uh, you know, 42 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 1: it's set in the world of basketball for at least 43 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:24,960 Speaker 1: for a moment it is. I'm not sure it's gonna 44 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:29,519 Speaker 1: stay there. But one is a woman who's a housewife 45 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 1: who's decided she wants something more and she's kind of 46 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 1: gonna be forced to need something more. Another is an 47 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:39,080 Speaker 1: up and coming journalist, and the other is a girl 48 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: who's kind of living on the edge. You know, she 49 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 1: wants to be in the quote unquote biz and she'll 50 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 1: do anything to get there. So now, when I met you, Sarah, 51 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 1: he was all sitcom. So now I'll American Soul drama, 52 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 1: the Quad drama, the project you're working on drama. Yeah, 53 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 1: when did you make the decision to become to transition 54 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 1: to drama or just the nature of the business, you know, Rashaan, 55 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 1: I just believe that you've got to um transform to 56 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:13,640 Speaker 1: whatever is working for you or that you desire. And 57 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 1: I felt like I loved it. Come. I love comedy, 58 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 1: but dramas were really I'd always wanted to do a 59 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 1: drama first of all, but I never had the opportunity 60 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 1: because you know, I was so blessed to keep working 61 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:29,680 Speaker 1: in a half hour and sitcom so dramas, I mean, 62 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 1: they were just popping up everywhere with all you know, 63 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 1: the new streaming services and cable, and comedies were kind 64 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 1: of falling by the wayside. There weren't a lot of 65 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 1: comedies and so I thought, you know what, this might 66 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: be my chance to dive into drama. So I wrote 67 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 1: a couple of spec scripts, got them to the right people, 68 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 1: Thank god. Felicia Henderson was one of them, and she 69 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 1: she loved it. She hired me on Single Ladies. I 70 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 1: did said a few years ago with her, and that 71 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 1: got me started. And uh, you know, I'm not saying 72 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 1: I would never do comedy again, but I really do 73 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 1: love drama. I'm really happy here now. One of the 74 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 1: dramas I mentioned in your credit credits, uh, your co 75 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 1: exact producer on BT's American Soul that's premiers January on 76 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 1: BT what exactly as American Soul? American Soul is about 77 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 1: Soul Train and the life of Don Cornelius. Yes, it's 78 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:27,360 Speaker 1: gonna be great. It was a great opportunity there and 79 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 1: his life. You know, the man was just fascinating. And 80 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 1: I grew up, you know, I'm a bad era. I 81 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 1: grew up on Soul Train, you know, every Saturday morning 82 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:40,480 Speaker 1: it was trained exactly. So it's just a lot of 83 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:44,040 Speaker 1: rich story there and and it was divon. Gregory's the showrunner, 84 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:46,479 Speaker 1: and uh so it's it's gonna be great. I really 85 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 1: hope people get to watch that. Yeah. That that's a 86 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:52,360 Speaker 1: show that I'm sure out of curiosity, you know, we're 87 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:55,840 Speaker 1: watching because it's truly is the side of our lives. 88 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 1: You know, you said, he's telling the truth. The Soul 89 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:01,039 Speaker 1: Train line. If you a brick on the Soul Training 90 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 1: line right now, and exactly, it lives on and it 91 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 1: doesn't matter what color, what race you are everybody. I mean, 92 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 1: you can go to a wedding right now and there's 93 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 1: a Soul Train line. So it's it's lived on, you know, 94 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 1: and it's it's great. Now. Before now, when you when 95 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:18,919 Speaker 1: you talk about when I met you, you know, was 96 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 1: on the Parenthood right, I was you just come off 97 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 1: for family matters? Correct? Yes, okay, now what just now 98 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 1: you're writing by yourself now at the time you have 99 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:32,360 Speaker 1: a writing partner talented Vita Spears. What what's the difference 100 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:35,039 Speaker 1: in having a writing partner Now you're making all the 101 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 1: creative decisions about yourself, which with a script. I think 102 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:43,720 Speaker 1: in comedy you find more partners people to bounce things 103 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:46,839 Speaker 1: off of, you know, your jokes and whatever. And in 104 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:50,039 Speaker 1: drama it's like you you have a room full of 105 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 1: people to bounce things off of, and then you go 106 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:55,840 Speaker 1: off and usually write your script. And I don't know, 107 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 1: I like it. I don't mind the partnership, but I 108 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 1: just kind of prefer working at my own pace and 109 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:05,040 Speaker 1: doing it, you know, having gotten notes from the showrunner 110 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:07,719 Speaker 1: and the other writers and and then just going off 111 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:10,159 Speaker 1: and doing it. And um, I think that's the difference. 112 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 1: In the comedy room, you know, Um, everybody's bouncing jokes 113 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 1: every I mean, And of course I want to say 114 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:19,359 Speaker 1: this about comedy. It's not all about jokes. I firmly 115 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 1: believe that, whether you're doing comedy or drama, it starts 116 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 1: with a great story. And once you have that story, 117 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 1: and and you know, you were famous in the Parkers 118 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:31,840 Speaker 1: writer's room for pitching a joke once that I just 119 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 1: didn't get And I remember saying Rashawn. I know you 120 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 1: have told jokes in front of millions of people, but 121 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 1: wait a minute, that one I don't know about. I'm 122 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:43,840 Speaker 1: not sure about that, And you were like, what so, 123 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 1: But that's what you do in the writer's room. You know, 124 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 1: everybody pitches. Everybody throws up what they believe and what 125 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:51,919 Speaker 1: they feel, and then the showrunner makes a decision. And 126 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 1: not to say that you didn't pitch a thousand other 127 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 1: great jokes, because you did. But the point is that 128 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 1: it's a collaborative process either way. But I think in 129 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 1: comedy it really is about it. It's that partnership that 130 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 1: that kind of help I think helps you. And of 131 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 1: course being partners with Vida was a great help to me. 132 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 1: And uh, you know, but I just started doing other 133 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 1: things and I write plays and I got we want 134 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 1: to talk about that plays in the minute. But let's 135 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:21,239 Speaker 1: let's go back to something. Because you had an impact 136 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 1: on me, because she had to. She had too a 137 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 1: major impact in my life. First of all, was on 138 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 1: parenthood because she was right. I was just I was 139 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 1: just really, uh funny guy, and and she told me 140 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 1: she's reach you on You're funny, but you you're gonna 141 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 1: have to learn how to write one day, you know. 142 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 1: And in fact, because because she told me, because in fact, 143 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 1: because of her, my company name is punch up. That's 144 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 1: what you do. If you're just a funny guy and 145 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 1: you can joke, they'll call you in a punch up 146 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 1: a script. And so I named my company after she 147 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 1: set me down and went, you know, if you want 148 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 1: to be a punch up writer, you know, there's a 149 00:07:57,760 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 1: lot of business out there, but if you really want 150 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 1: to be a right here, a long term career in 151 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 1: the sitcom and right in thisstry, you've got to learn story. 152 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 1: That's the first thing she said, story and learn how 153 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 1: to put that story on paper, and also take criticism 154 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 1: because a lot of people can't do that. She's like 155 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 1: a teach in the room, man, because you know, it 156 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 1: was a hot chat. I was hot chat man when 157 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 1: he first, man, you can tell me nothing. I was funny. 158 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 1: I was coming off stage death, comedy jam everything. You know, 159 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 1: you're funny guy. And so people assume that, hey, he 160 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 1: knows everything. He's been doing it a while and you 161 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 1: know a lot. But I'm from the school of thought 162 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:37,839 Speaker 1: that there's always something more to learn. And she told 163 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 1: me too, and so, but here's the part. You know, 164 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:43,080 Speaker 1: when your teacher set you down and they start teaching, 165 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 1: you start learning. But then she had to leave because 166 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 1: of the Mosha serious thing I picked up, So tell 167 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 1: us about that whole experience, because he was my mentor, 168 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:55,319 Speaker 1: set me up and told me, look, you have to 169 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 1: learn how to right because right now you're not gonna survive. 170 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 1: We just jokes, she lazed, you know. Thankfully it worked out. 171 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: Brandy came along at the right time, our project came together, 172 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 1: and and um Moisha happened because I always wanted to 173 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 1: tell the story about from a story from a black 174 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 1: teenage girl's perspective, and I even though it would be 175 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:22,680 Speaker 1: from her point of view, it would have universal themes 176 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 1: that everybody could relate to. I mean, The Wonder Years 177 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 1: was one of my favorite shows ever, you know, and 178 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 1: I was certainly never twelve year old white kid, but 179 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 1: I understood everything Kevin was going through. So I hope 180 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 1: that Mosha would do the same thing. And I wanted 181 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 1: to set in my neighborhood. I grew up in in 182 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 1: l A. Lamert Park, and I felt like, you know, 183 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 1: there was not enough representation of positive, good people in 184 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:50,080 Speaker 1: that neighborhood, and a lot of neighborhoods like Lamert Park 185 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 1: all over the country. All you heard about was violence, 186 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, no, I know some people here and 187 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 1: they're going you know, they work hard every day, they're 188 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:00,040 Speaker 1: doing the best they can. And those people us, some 189 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 1: of them. Of course, with my parents, I was talking 190 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 1: about and our neighbors and our community. And so it 191 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 1: was set there, and you know, she went to Crenshaw 192 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: High School, which is in the community, and and it 193 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 1: was all about the things that teenagers go through. And 194 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 1: thank god, people responded. They loved the show. It went 195 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 1: on to become a hit, and off of that, I 196 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 1: went over to do a spinoff, which of course was 197 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:28,239 Speaker 1: The Parkers and and working with the fabulous Monique. Yeah, 198 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 1: fabulous movie. See an interesting part about my relationship with 199 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 1: Sarah was there. Sarah called me when I first came 200 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 1: into the writer's game. I started on Steve's ABC series 201 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 1: being the Boys that got counseled immediately, and so I 202 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 1: got over to uh the Robert Towns. I was there 203 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 1: Robert Town's and he saved my life. Be interested because 204 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 1: if he doesn't pick me up and put me on 205 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 1: the on his show, of the parenthood. I don't have 206 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:53,079 Speaker 1: a writing career and I'm not sitting on this microphone 207 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 1: right now. So he was very interesting. You have to 208 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 1: have people who believe in you, see talent in you, 209 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 1: and that's really important, like like Sarah or you know. 210 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 1: The thing about it is that the second time she 211 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 1: came into my life was the Parker's because I was 212 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 1: I was in transition to my life. I was I've 213 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:12,960 Speaker 1: written a lot of successful series or city Halls sitcom, uh, sister, sister, 214 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:15,680 Speaker 1: And then I was writing on Jamie Fox Show and 215 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:18,319 Speaker 1: I left that I was leaving that show because I 216 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 1: wanted to take my life in a different direction. And 217 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 1: I called Sara said, Sarah, look, I don't know what 218 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 1: I want to do. I said, but can you you 219 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 1: have a job for me over there? And she said, 220 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:29,319 Speaker 1: you know, I got a job for you. I mean 221 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 1: just you know, but you need people like that. They 222 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:33,680 Speaker 1: take you to the next step. And she brought me 223 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 1: on the show as a consulting producer on The Pokers. 224 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 1: Because it's something about this young lady, and I say 225 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 1: this in a very sister brother tone, is that she's 226 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 1: always there not only for people that she know, but 227 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 1: for the community because she's you know, her Christmas times 228 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 1: were like looking at uh, you know, the Santa Claus 229 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 1: where she was the female version of Santa Claus. And 230 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 1: and I would find up mentoring people, buying you just 231 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:06,199 Speaker 1: for people I didn't know, because she inspired that. Yeah, yeah, no, 232 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 1: I love giving back. I believe that we all should 233 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 1: do whatever we can, you know, just reach back and 234 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 1: help somebody. And so at that time, I was working 235 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 1: with a homely shelter and a lot of children, and 236 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 1: my mom's church was right next door to the homeless shelter. 237 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 1: So I have I've been so blessed that were for 238 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 1: people who helped me out, and you are one of them. 239 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 1: I said, guys, I want to do this Angel Tree. 240 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 1: The kids don't have much. Let's help them. Let's give 241 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 1: them gifts. We bought them up to the show. They 242 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 1: got to watch the taping. We had a party afterwards, 243 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:40,960 Speaker 1: and oh they were thrill. You know, they get to 244 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 1: meet Moisham. At that time, it was a partners It 245 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 1: was Monique and Countess and all of them and the writers, 246 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 1: including yourself, would buy these gifts and and and I 247 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 1: remember I would try to frame it around the time 248 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 1: when we would have a singing guest on and I 249 00:12:56,840 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 1: remember one year I said, you Landa, you know You'landa Adams. 250 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:03,559 Speaker 1: My god, it was just beautiful, Fred Hammond. I mean, 251 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 1: these kids were so happy. And the computers you're talking about. 252 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 1: I mentords some kids at my high school, Dorsey High 253 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 1: School here in l A. And it was a young 254 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 1: lady and another young man and they needed laptops. Next 255 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 1: thing I'm know, Rashaan got the laptops. Well hould that 256 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:20,679 Speaker 1: thought there? Sir, don't make me a little time too 257 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 1: be because I gotta tell the story about the Parkers. Okay, 258 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 1: we would come back more with Sarah Fitty Johnson, money 259 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 1: making conversations, keep winning everybody. She's on the phone. She's 260 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 1: the co executive abuse of Serious. It's premiered on BT 261 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 1: in January called American Soul. That's drama. She also just 262 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 1: reacently left another drama on BT called The Quad. She's 263 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 1: currently working on The Tracy Tracy Uh Tracy Hamas Project, 264 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 1: is also a drama by three with eighties. I met 265 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 1: her when I was a young writer on Robert Townsend. 266 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 1: I was a young writer just all I knew. I 267 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 1: can only tell jokes on the parenthood and she told 268 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 1: me you gotta get you, gotta step up. Rashaan jokes 269 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 1: just not gonna cut it for you. Well, when I 270 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 1: left Jamie Foxx Show, I just walked away from my 271 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 1: deal and I was She was the first person I called. 272 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 1: I said, Hey, I don't have a job right now. 273 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 1: I just left the Jamie Foxx Show. What can you 274 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 1: do for me? She's reached come over here. I got 275 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:16,199 Speaker 1: you covered. And so she saved my career and the 276 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 1: next step because of the fact that that was a 277 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 1: very transitional period. But Felicia Henderson now Felicia Henderson, I 278 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 1: met her own sister sister. So we're just all big friend. 279 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 1: That's another one of my sister. She was on the 280 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 1: show last week and so Sarah, Felicia, you know, she 281 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 1: was getting really good in the interview and she told 282 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 1: everybody about this by what happened on the on the 283 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 1: show one time when I was arrived late for work 284 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 1: and and so I felt and Felicia hasn't gonna partially 285 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 1: get the story out about me. I need to come 286 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 1: back to the person who knows the truth, the facts 287 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 1: about the uh. The day Rashan arrived late for work, well, 288 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 1: I know Felicia told the truth. First of all, let 289 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 1: me just say that, but let me tell you what happened. 290 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 1: But Rashawn, you were mess. You were so funny. We 291 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 1: just had First of all, we had a great time 292 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 1: working together, and we were able to do great work. 293 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 1: I think people sometimes think, oh, you know, it's just 294 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 1: all serious and or you just goofing off too much. No, 295 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 1: we found a good balance there, and I think we 296 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 1: had a great five seasons. But um, what happened is 297 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 1: that Rashawn came. Let's let's at the time I was 298 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 1: starting to transition. Uh, I was managing Steve and running 299 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 1: the morning because I was kind of like taking on 300 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 1: that little a little different different lifestyle. Oh yeah, you 301 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 1: were multitasking. You were definitely doing that. I mean, Rashan, 302 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 1: you've always been a hard worker. You always got three 303 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 1: jobs at least I know that, but I didn't really 304 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 1: know it then. I know it now. And when you 305 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 1: came in late, you said, because you had left the 306 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 1: day before and you you left early and you said 307 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 1: you will be back. We said, okay, no problem. So 308 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 1: you came in and you said, oh, there, I was 309 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 1: in a bank robbery. We said, a bank robbery. We 310 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 1: we didn't hear anything about he said, was here in Hollywood? 311 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 1: Said no, no, we you sure because we didn't hear 312 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 1: anything about a bank robbery. And later it was years later, 313 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 1: you finally told me. He said, Okay, I wasn't in 314 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 1: a bank robbery. There was no bank robbery. I'm sorry. 315 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 1: You were doing something with Steve, something with somebody. I 316 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 1: don't know, but Bill Bolware was the coexecu at the time, 317 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 1: and I said, Bill, I don't think what Shawn was 318 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 1: in the bank robbery. He wouldn't heard about it on 319 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 1: the news, right. That was We laughed so hard about 320 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 1: that for years because we said, Rashawn said he was 321 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 1: in the bank, it was being robbed. Everything was a mess. 322 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 1: He couldn't get back to the show. No. So they're 323 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 1: great storytelling, I give you that. But it was funny. 324 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 1: It was one of the many stories I have about 325 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 1: Rashan McDonald. Just a joy to work with, the joy 326 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 1: well you know the thing about it, and thank you, 327 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 1: you know, because I was mouth. That was the very 328 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 1: early stages of all Steve Harvey in my relationship, which 329 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:04,920 Speaker 1: has led to an amazing amount of greatness for both 330 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:07,640 Speaker 1: he and I and changed the industry, and that's how 331 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 1: people perceive African Americans on TV, which you know because 332 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:14,239 Speaker 1: at one point, you know, all the jobs are going 333 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 1: to reality shows. You know, black people out there fighting, 334 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 1: throwing glasses, climbing over tables, punching each other. And that 335 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 1: was really frustrated for me. I'm sure it was equally 336 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 1: frustrating for you because you're going, that's not a real 337 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 1: writer's job opportunity there right right for a while, so 338 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:31,159 Speaker 1: I have to tell you, I didn't think reality was 339 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 1: gonna make it. And then one day I said, a 340 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 1: reality TV is here to stay. But it was disappointing 341 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 1: to see some of it, you know, but I know 342 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:41,920 Speaker 1: people have to make a living, and you know it's legal. 343 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 1: They're not doing anything illegal. But I just wanted to 344 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:48,680 Speaker 1: do a different type of television. So that with that 345 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:51,680 Speaker 1: being said, is that when you look at television today, 346 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:55,399 Speaker 1: you know you see it all African Americans get these development, 347 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:59,439 Speaker 1: I mean, real deals. So why why you think the 348 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 1: content so strong? And we thought that was gonna happen 349 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:03,879 Speaker 1: a few years ago when they when they stepped up 350 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 1: and said we need to give a better image for 351 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:10,119 Speaker 1: African Americans on television. We see that very dominantly in 352 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:14,680 Speaker 1: commercials because you see interracial relationships and commercials like it's 353 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 1: a normal slice of life, which is fantastic. Television was 354 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 1: slow to turn, but now it seems like there's a 355 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 1: foot race to get ahead. Yeah, and you know, I'm 356 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 1: so glad about it. Um, it's still I think, got 357 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 1: a ways to go as far as people of color concerned. 358 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:34,880 Speaker 1: But my god, it has changed so much since I started. 359 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 1: I mean, I think they were looking, finally looking and 360 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:43,119 Speaker 1: realizing fresh voices. You know, people with some new point 361 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:45,720 Speaker 1: of views, and they happen to be people of color. 362 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 1: I mean, I look at Lena Ways and and mar 363 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 1: Brock could kill Felicia Henderson, you know, Gina prince Blythewood, 364 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 1: all my sisters who are just out here doing it, 365 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 1: doing it big, and I'm so proud of them. I Mean, 366 00:18:57,800 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 1: there was a time when I first started, they were 367 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 1: like five black writers. I do all of them. Now 368 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 1: I don't know half of them, and I'm excited about that. 369 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 1: I'm happy about that. It makes my heart full what 370 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 1: I know, where we've come from to where we are now. 371 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:14,880 Speaker 1: And I think that also because of the fact that 372 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 1: it used to be you know we was on the 373 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:20,400 Speaker 1: w B was on up. You've used the black shows 374 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:23,120 Speaker 1: or sitcom to launch a network, and if they got 375 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:26,880 Speaker 1: rid of us. I remember when The Parkers was canceled, 376 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 1: Uh Ginetta boone show one on one was canceled, Girlfriends 377 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 1: was canceled. They just wiped us all out. But now 378 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 1: you know, you've got the cable and the streaming services, 379 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 1: and it's just so many more outlets. And I tell 380 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 1: a lot of young writers and any writer you can 381 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 1: shoot your own movie on your phone now. I mean 382 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 1: that's just unheard of when I was starting out. So 383 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:53,679 Speaker 1: it's just come a long way. And it's still, like 384 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 1: I said, I still think there are, of course, many 385 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 1: things that need to happen, but I'm seeing some progress 386 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:01,160 Speaker 1: and that's been wonderful. Well, it's crazy when you look 387 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 1: at how good it is becoming you know, insecure, you know, 388 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 1: Oh I love insecure, Yes, yes, power you know. And 389 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:11,960 Speaker 1: you know she started, uh misadventurous of an awkward Black 390 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:14,960 Speaker 1: Girl was on the internet and I would watch it 391 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 1: and I was like, what this girl? She needs a 392 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 1: TV show. She is so funny, so talented, and I 393 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 1: think Shanna Rhymes heard about her and got her deal 394 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:26,119 Speaker 1: or worked with her for a while, but then her 395 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 1: and Larry Wilmore got insecure and now Princess Penny is 396 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 1: over there as the showrunner, and it is just that's 397 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:34,119 Speaker 1: just remarkable. That's the cool thing that you went from 398 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 1: one African American strong to the next African American strong 399 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 1: to the next offer John Ridley, it's just really you're 400 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 1: you're absolutely telling the truth. It used to be like, 401 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 1: you know, you know, you know, ken you over there 402 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 1: just embarrassed. Can you just got to steal a Netflix? 403 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:51,400 Speaker 1: You know he'll be doing big things. There's all these 404 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 1: people came out of that that Sarah Fitty world, Kenya, 405 00:20:56,320 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 1: you know Meyer Brocker, kill, Felicia hen just a Rachan 406 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 1: see see. I gotta give her credit or nurturing her, 407 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 1: her shaping a lot of people about telling about story, 408 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:09,880 Speaker 1: telling them that the root of success, long term success 409 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:12,439 Speaker 1: is knowing how to write. So you just take some 410 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 1: credit for for for giving us our opportunities and giving 411 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 1: us our strong guidance to be where we are at today. Listen, 412 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:20,880 Speaker 1: I feel like God put me in the right place 413 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 1: at the right time to do what a little bit 414 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:25,919 Speaker 1: I could. I give all things to God, Rashawn. I 415 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 1: have to tell you, without my faith and my strength, 416 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 1: I would not be here where I am today. So 417 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:35,439 Speaker 1: I thank God. I think thank God for people like 418 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 1: you. You You know, you came into my life. You know 419 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:40,680 Speaker 1: I work for you at one point, and I'm grateful 420 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 1: for that. See, I'm not one of these people those things, Oh, 421 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:45,160 Speaker 1: I can only do this, do that. No, I love 422 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:48,440 Speaker 1: to work. I love them, right, That's what Sarah loves 423 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:51,159 Speaker 1: to do. And it's just I've had people tell me 424 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 1: in the last year it's like you still right, Yes, 425 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:56,640 Speaker 1: I'm still writing, And I think that's that's great because 426 00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 1: it used to be a cut off point. You know, 427 00:21:58,160 --> 00:21:59,680 Speaker 1: you have to stop writing, you know what I'm saying. 428 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 1: So yeah, And I just love the fact that when 429 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 1: you and I want to bring this back up, when 430 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 1: you're talking about you can shoot your shoulder. Telephone used 431 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:09,960 Speaker 1: to telephone used to be if you were not shot 432 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:13,879 Speaker 1: your pilot or sitcom. You wish your money because the 433 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,920 Speaker 1: industry was locked down. You wish your time. You don't 434 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 1: come to us, You will not get on television because 435 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:20,920 Speaker 1: you can do that in the film industry. You can 436 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 1: independent production and get your your movie in the theaters 437 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:27,120 Speaker 1: you used to be just saying television didn't work like that. 438 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 1: Because of the streaming services and demand for content, you 439 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 1: can actually do your own project and then go show 440 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 1: up and they put it on television. And plus production 441 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 1: costs have dropped tremendously. M hmmm. It's it's a whole 442 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 1: new world. And I want to say something we talked 443 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 1: a little earlier about my transition into writing drama. I 444 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,880 Speaker 1: believe as a writer, don't get pigeonhole. You should write 445 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 1: whatever you want. I'm still gonna do a movie one day. 446 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:53,920 Speaker 1: I might go back to comedy. I think you should 447 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:57,680 Speaker 1: write books, place whatever it is. I say, keep writing, 448 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:01,400 Speaker 1: keep that tool fresh, and and work on your craft. 449 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 1: I just say, right, well, the one thing you told 450 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 1: me is that the Rashaan you can keep winning. And 451 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 1: I just love the fact that I do say she's 452 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 1: my sister. I have six natural sisters that are two 453 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 1: extra ones. Felicia D. Henderson is one of them, and 454 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 1: Sarah Fitty Johnson is one of them. When they I 455 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,680 Speaker 1: feel their pain, I feel their successes. And to see 456 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:25,560 Speaker 1: you back out there writing and going from another job 457 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:27,879 Speaker 1: to the next job, I'm so proud and so happy 458 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:30,439 Speaker 1: for your thank you so much. I'm just I'm just 459 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:32,879 Speaker 1: blessed and blessed to have you in my life. I 460 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 1: tell you it's the truth, folks, He's the real deal. 461 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:37,639 Speaker 1: We really are. I appreciate you, sa friend of Johnson, 462 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 1: legendary creator a Moistia, legendary creator of the Parkers. She's writing, 463 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:45,720 Speaker 1: and she's doing the thing, and she's changing lives, not 464 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:49,440 Speaker 1: only in studio without in the community. 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