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Speaker 1: So let's begin this week's episode. So I am super

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Speaker 1: excited about this week's guest. She is known as the

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Speaker 1: godmother of polyamory and being the first black woman to

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Speaker 1: openly admit and advocate for the polyamorous lifestyle. She has

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Speaker 1: been seeing on the Monique Show Dr Phil has the

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Speaker 1: hundreds of magazines and radio interviews. She is a relationship expert,

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Speaker 1: love coach, and bestselling author. So to my guest, welcome

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Speaker 1: and how are you doing. Thank you? I'm very good good.

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Speaker 1: I'm like super excited to have you on the show.

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Speaker 1: I watched like all your inner views. Your energy is amazing,

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Speaker 1: So I can't wait for everybody to hear your story. Well,

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Speaker 1: let's get to it. I love it. So before we

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Speaker 1: get into your story, can you please explain the difference

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Speaker 1: between polygamy and polyamory. Sure, polygamy means that either one

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Speaker 1: male can have several wives or one female can have

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Speaker 1: several husbands, but those wives or husbands cannot have other partners.

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Speaker 1: It's similar to monogamy, except just more people of the

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Speaker 1: same sex. Polyamory means that the woman and the man

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Speaker 1: in the relationship can both have other partners. Mhm. One

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Speaker 1: are the misconceptions of living a polyamorous lifestyle? Well, I

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Speaker 1: it means polygyny, you know, with one man and several wives,

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Speaker 1: or they think it means polyandry with one woman and

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Speaker 1: several husbands. I'm not polyandrous. My husbands can have other

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Speaker 1: partners as if they so choose m because and you

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Speaker 1: can have other partners as well. Yes, I can, I

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Speaker 1: have many. I know you do. Uh. Do you think

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Speaker 1: that the media does a good job with portraying his lifestyle. No,

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Speaker 1: I think that the media does not portray this lifestyle.

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Speaker 1: They don't want to have this. I guess it's a

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Speaker 1: part of the social fabric. They were just enjoy for

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Speaker 1: things to remain patriarchal and not working where women are

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Speaker 1: just not free. Right. Um, So one thing about your story.

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Speaker 1: You have been married for over twenty five years and

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Speaker 1: So how did that transition come about? Oh? Absolutely well

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Speaker 1: I was Yes, I've been married twenty five years and

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Speaker 1: with him, the transition came about naturally because we both

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Speaker 1: You know, we weren't having sex with them, but we

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Speaker 1: were always open about how weel about work colleagues or

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Speaker 1: We didn't act on it until year twelve, but we

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Speaker 1: I know. There was one story that she said that, Um,

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Speaker 1: how he fell in love with another woman. Yes, he did,

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Speaker 1: and that was coming home from work. Um. You know,

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Speaker 1: but I knew that I also had other interests. So okay,

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Speaker 1: let's hear it. Uh. Is there a limit to how

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Speaker 1: you being an alpha woman. And then the next question

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Speaker 1: So it felt like a trick, you know, like, oh

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Speaker 1: is that? I just didn't know, you know. And I

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Speaker 1: didn't know that he sometimes wouldn't want to be sexual.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know that after you have children you feel

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Speaker 1: differently about your partner. I didn't know that his smell

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Speaker 1: changes after you have um children with him. It's just

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Speaker 1: a lot that women don't know about marriage. H m hmm.

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Speaker 1: But I also saw another interview you were saying how

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Speaker 1: you wish your grandma would have been open with your

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Speaker 1: mom about the thing she did with her marriage, because

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Speaker 1: I had like a lot of things that we do

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Speaker 1: conversation area they've been had. If people are just be

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Speaker 1: think they're trying to spare us the details that are

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Speaker 1: really hard to stomach. But it's really unfortunate because then

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Speaker 1: and it is most assuredly not not whether no matter

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Speaker 1: I was like, okay, Grandma, Okay. If I had known better,

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Speaker 1: then I would not have the expectation that everything sexually

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Speaker 1: in my marriage. Right, So, how is your personal journey

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Speaker 1: with polyamory in the beginning, you know, it's stressful, it's hard.

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Speaker 1: they're they have all of their conditionings to confront. They're afraid,

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Speaker 1: they think their partner is gonna leave them. They think

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Speaker 1: that everything is gonna go awry, and those things are

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Speaker 1: scary to think that your partner might leave you when

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Speaker 1: you want to grow out with your partner, you want security, right,

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Speaker 1: And so we go through all of those initial stages,

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Speaker 1: it's like y'all really respect each other. Indeed we do.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he is my best friend, he's my king,

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Speaker 1: he's my age, he's my he is somebody that I

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Speaker 1: You know, how has men polyamorous helped your relationship? Oh

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Speaker 1: my goodness. I mean it's I don't want to say

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Speaker 1: it saved our relationship, but I will say that freedom

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Speaker 1: makes the relationship worthwhile. Um, without that, it would feel

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Speaker 1: like I was trapped because my husband I don't share

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Speaker 1: a similar interest on everything. There are things that I

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Speaker 1: want to do that he doesn't want to do. For

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Speaker 1: since me and my second husband travel, my husband does

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Speaker 1: not want to travel. He hates airplanes, he hates flying,

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Speaker 1: he hates going to places, and I would feel like

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Speaker 1: a part of my life is missing if I cannot travel. Right, So,

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Speaker 1: being able to travel with someone who likes to travel

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Speaker 1: I went on my husband honeymoon with my first husband,

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Speaker 1: and he wouldn't even let me drink, like he doesn't drink.

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Speaker 1: I know you was stress. I know he was over it. Drink.

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Speaker 1: I just think, can I get some wine with dinner

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Speaker 1: or bear or something? So nah, Yeah, we're very different.

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Speaker 1: We're very different, and yeah, I also have two different

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Speaker 1: just haven't been raised in the way that our grandparents

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Speaker 1: They feel as if the men are not protective or sincere.

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Speaker 1: this generation where women, black women especially can finally stop

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Speaker 1: know that they're gonna take care of me. Men love

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Speaker 1: can submit right well, listen, I submit to of somebody

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Speaker 1: gave me everything I need and one plus your freedom. Listen. Um,

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Speaker 1: They don't like they can be creative because we were creative.

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Speaker 1: So I really am happy that I did this with

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Speaker 1: for me, just like any other husband in monogamy. Would

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Speaker 1: mm hmmm. And this is a personal question because I

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Speaker 1: really want to know because I watched this interview and

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Speaker 1: I didn't like the energy he was giving off. Do

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Speaker 1: you feel like that to feel was a little rude

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Speaker 1: with y'all. I feel like Dr Phil was extremely threatened

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Speaker 1: by us, and he was extremely um um upset that

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Speaker 1: when I asked him, Okay, so Dr Phil, have you

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Speaker 1: ever been attracted to anybody at your job, and he

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Speaker 1: didn't want to answer that question because he knows he has.

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Speaker 1: But that's how monogamy is. You have to lie. So

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Speaker 1: for me to confront him like that made him very upset,

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Speaker 1: and I understand why he became rude. Yeah, I didn't

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Speaker 1: like that energy, especially when you got up, because he

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Speaker 1: was like, you need some lotion, right girl. I was like,

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Speaker 1: oh girl. He was very annoyed by the feminine you know.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he was very annoyed, very annoyed. But I

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Speaker 1: am super excited we got a chance to see UM.

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Speaker 1: I think that you're the big sister that every woman needs,

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Speaker 1: whether she believes in the lifestyle or not. I think

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Speaker 1: your energy is contagious. I definitely want to keep in

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Speaker 1: contact with you. If you have any questions for that

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Speaker 1: this week's UM guests, please make sure to email me

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Speaker 1: a hello at the PhD podcast dot com. And that's

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Speaker 1: pretty much it. Thank you so much. This is so

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Speaker 1: good that we're talking about this and having this conversation.

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Speaker 1: You are a shining light. Thank you, Thank you. And

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Speaker 1: we also might be related, but we all touched on

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Speaker 1: that later. Until next time, guys. Later,