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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you missed in History Class, a production

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Speaker 1: of Iheartradiotdy Friday, I'm Tracy V.

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Speaker 2: Wilson, and I'm Holly Frye. One of our episodes this

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Speaker 2: week was about Joan Arson, Uh and the Protestant Reformation

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Speaker 2: coming to Iceland.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: We tried very hard to say all of the Icelandic

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Speaker 2: things correctly.

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Speaker 1: Uh, I'm so bad at Icelandic.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a challenging language. Some there are some phonemes

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Speaker 2: in Icelandic that just aren't in English, and that makes

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Speaker 2: it very hard to try to learn to say things

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Speaker 2: correctly as an adult. That's the case with other languages too,

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Speaker 2: That's not just it's not unique to Icelandic.

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Speaker 1: Icelandic does have have a reputation for being very.

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Speaker 2: Hard Yeah to learn. Yeah, and there's just some of

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Speaker 2: the words. Because of the way the language works, some

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Speaker 2: of the words are very long, and so it will

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Speaker 2: be a long word that has multiple parts in it

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Speaker 2: that aren't really sounds that really exist in English. And

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Speaker 2: that is why I can never move permanently to Iceland,

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Speaker 2: because you have to learn the language to get citizenship.

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Speaker 1: Yep. And I think I would be on the struggle

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Speaker 1: bus with.

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Speaker 2: That, Yeah, I think I would have a challenge of

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Speaker 2: the long dark winters because just living in Massachusetts, where

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Speaker 2: the nights in winter are longer and it gets dark

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Speaker 2: earlier than anywhere else that have ever lived.

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Speaker 1: It's rough.

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Speaker 2: And I am totally aware that this is not the

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Speaker 2: earliest sunset in the world or the longest night in

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Speaker 2: the world, but just even the difference between Atlanta, Georgia

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Speaker 2: UH and UH eastern Massachusetts difficult. So normally, when I'm

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Speaker 2: writing episodes, the way I generally approach people's names is

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Speaker 2: when we are talking about children, I'm using their first

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Speaker 2: names because it just feels a little weird to me

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Speaker 2: to just refer to a child with only their last name, right,

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Speaker 2: and then usually that person becomes an adult over the

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Speaker 2: course of the episode, and at that point in the

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Speaker 2: episode writing, I am usually referring to them by their

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Speaker 2: last name in a lot of cases, unless it's going

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Speaker 2: to be confusing. I did not do this in this

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Speaker 2: episode because of how names work in Iceland, because like

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Speaker 2: Joan Arson's son was Jorn Johnson, and uh, you know,

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Speaker 2: Jorn Johnsen's son would have been something Bjornson probably, and

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Speaker 2: it just felt their very weird to me to spend

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Speaker 2: the whole time calling a man named Yoon by the

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Speaker 2: name of his father as his father's son. So I

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Speaker 2: felt a little weird. So if you noticed that that

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Speaker 2: seemed a little different from a lot of our episodes,

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Speaker 2: that's why. Also, I've been to two of the places

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Speaker 2: we talked about in this episode. One of them we

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Speaker 2: went to on our trip. We stopped at Skallholt. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think that was on We stopped at all Thing also, right,

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Speaker 2: well sure, yes, well the All Thing, Yes, for sure,

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Speaker 2: we were at Thingvalier, the assembly fields, the where the

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Speaker 2: All Thing historically met. I forgot about that one. Yes,

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Speaker 2: we went there, We walked all through there. But in

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Speaker 2: terms of the other places, we stopped at Skalholt on

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Speaker 2: our trip, and I think that was the day that

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Speaker 2: we were supposed to go snowmobiling, but we didn't get

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Speaker 2: to go snowmobiling because the glacier was too melty.

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Speaker 1: It was too warm for snowmobile.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so we had other stops that we made on

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Speaker 1: Horses.

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Speaker 2: We got to feed some Icelandic horses with what there

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Speaker 2: you know, the farm where they lived on described as

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Speaker 2: stern sign saying that the horses were allowed to eat

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Speaker 2: go to whatever horse farm this was, don't try to

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Speaker 2: feed the horses your random apple or whatever. No, only

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Speaker 2: horse candy. So we stopped at this place. We saw

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Speaker 2: the like the the church that's there now, there was

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Speaker 2: And and then there was the murder barn. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember all the details because I will

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Speaker 1: admit that my own activities in the murder barn were

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Speaker 2: Well, and I had more time in the little museum part,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the murder barn was just a little barn where

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Speaker 1: But we decided that we would stage out photographs that

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Speaker 1: look like the end of Midsummer just that movie. You

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Speaker 1: you don't completely. Yeah, we were giggling because that's a

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Speaker 1: movie we have watched together and yeah, have fun memories

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Speaker 1: of It's not a fun movie, but it's very good.

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Speaker 1: But yes, there's a thing that happens in a similar

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Speaker 1: and we thought it would be fun to reenact it. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that was an idyllic little place, though.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean a lot. I thought that way a

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Speaker 2: also not sure if that was a place that was

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Speaker 2: Our schedule that day changed so much because of the

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Speaker 1: I think that was a last minute edition because our

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Speaker 2: Yeah. One of the things that our guide God was

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Speaker 2: don't remember if that had been a like an on

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Speaker 2: I remember there also being a bathroom there.

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Speaker 2: It was a little pay one in an honor system

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Like shout out to God for that, by the way.

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Speaker 2: Because not only would he plan frequent stops, but whatever

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Speaker 2: we stayed overnight at least one night, possibly two nights

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Speaker 2: in Loigervaten, which is a place that we only drove

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Speaker 2: This paper came out in nineteen fourteen. He described Joan

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Speaker 2: if you don't get it, don't bother. Yeah, don't even try.

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Speaker 2: So anyway, I am very glad. I'm very glad that

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Speaker 1: An absolute delight. Love God. I love that he will

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Speaker 1: ping me on WhatsApp with Star Wars things when he

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Speaker 2: It was beautiful, great, great. I gotta figure out what

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Speaker 2: I'm going back, because I am going back, I just

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Speaker 2: don't know when yet. I really, I really love Iceland.

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Speaker 1: I love visiting Iceland.

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Speaker 2: I have now been at two similar but different types

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Speaker 2: I said this already. My absolute number one favorite purchase

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Speaker 2: I wasn't gonna wear again as tights on the trip.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So anyway, my previous trip was at the end

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Speaker 1: of May. It was beautiful. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, and that's after our honeymoon. Patrick and I

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Speaker 2: had this conversation of Okay, we want to go back.

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Speaker 2: Do we want to go back during Northern Lights season

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Speaker 1: And I hope that doesn't happen for you this weekend.

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Speaker 1: I hope instead you have joy, some relaxation. You take

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Speaker 1: I'm sure they're really gonna care when you're like Holly

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Speaker 1: Fry said, don't it'll be like and uh so in

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Speaker 1: any case, we will be right back here tomorrow to

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