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Speaker 1: It's that time, time, time, time.

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Speaker 1: So Michael Arry Show is on the air.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 4: We have just completed our every two years biennial legislative

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Speaker 4: We're not a full time state legislature. And you know

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Speaker 4: After that he ran for state rep. He won against

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Speaker 4: about what just happened. We're going to talk to him

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Speaker 4: And third, he is the lawyer, which is what he

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Speaker 4: get down to it, by Rodney Ellis through Seawan Tier

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Speaker 4: freshman legislator being considered by pretty much every group that

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Speaker 4: being the star of this class, how was the legislative

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Speaker 2: Or Good morning, Michael Berry.

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Speaker 5: I know it probably hurts you to say the nice

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Speaker 5: the session was way more intense and chaotic than I

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Speaker 5: mean it's happening in literally minutes, very very little debate.

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Speaker 5: It flies through committee, and you're making decisions that are

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Speaker 2: That was surprising to me.

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Speaker 1: And why do you think that is. Do you think

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, it's chaotic by design. I mean, how you know,

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Speaker 5: esque loan forgiveness for mental health professionals in Texas, bills

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Speaker 2: It's it is it's almost like.

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Speaker 5: when you're processing information that quickly, And it's I don't

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Speaker 4: What do you think, Well, I tell you what I

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Speaker 5: There are absurd parallels between what goes on in Austin

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Speaker 5: the parliamentary practice is more of a distraction than it

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Speaker 5: I was telling my wife like, I I do not

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Speaker 5: that you end up stacking up good policy in certain bills.

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Speaker 2: That we need to get passing on on the floor.

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Speaker 5: So we have to come back July twenty first to

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Speaker 1: How much of the I don't belong here, and how.

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Speaker 4: Much of the it's a seniority game that takes forever

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Speaker 4: has informed and I don't know what the final decision is.

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Speaker 4: I've heard flirtation with it, your desire to run for

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So what I'm trying to figure out is what's

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Speaker 5: most compatible with my family life and my life at home.

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Speaker 5: So obviously it would be a great honor to serve

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Speaker 5: if you look back historically before or when Kim Paxson

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Speaker 2: The Biden administration and all that.

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Speaker 5: I think what we have coming here, Michael is is

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Speaker 5: his aggressiveness in the Attorney General's office and and still

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Speaker 5: find someone who is it is really the lawyer you

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Speaker 1: Is good?

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Speaker 4: All I tea you what, I'll let you decide if

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Speaker 3: May show Michael Lay.

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Speaker 4: Mitch Little represented Ken Paxton in the successful defense against impeachment.

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Speaker 4: That impeachment was led by the John Cornyan supporters, the

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Speaker 4: Never forget it's the same folks.

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Speaker 1: Read the list.

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Speaker 4: Those people wanted to knock Paxton out, not from being

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Speaker 4: They didn't want him to run against Cornan because they

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Speaker 4: to that have Paxton beating Cornyn six sixty forty and worse,

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Speaker 4: Cornyn can't win this race. He knows that, so they're

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Speaker 4: looking at recruiting another candidate.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 4: In the meantime, Ken Paxton leaving the Attorney General's Office

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Speaker 4: Mitch Little, will you be joining that race?

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Speaker 5: I'm not in that race yet. There's a lot to

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Speaker 5: got one hundred people at our office to take care

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Speaker 5: So if I decide to get in that race, all

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Speaker 4: How far do you live from Austin, good ways, It's

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Speaker 1: What is the community where you live.

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Speaker 5: I live in Lewisville, the southern part of Denton County.

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Speaker 1: What did you just do?

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Speaker 4: You just like took my question and then you flipped

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Speaker 1: What just happened, Mitch Little? What did you just do?

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Speaker 1: What were you trying to get at?

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Speaker 4: Are you wanting to talk about the kim ok because

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Speaker 5: We can talk about whatever you want it. Just this

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Speaker 5: It's very difficult for me to discern that, and I

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Speaker 4: That was the point voter trying to ask you needed

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Speaker 1: But now I see what you were saying.

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Speaker 4: Well, let me handicap the race where I think it

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Speaker 4: You've got Aaron Wright's who who has I think is

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Speaker 4: Then you've got Joan Huffman. She's gonna have TLR. They're

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Speaker 5: I just don't. I just don't worry about things like that, Michael.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I was out of Yeah, and I was

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Speaker 1: And and I get it. I've been there.

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Speaker 4: It has to be a righteous sense that this is

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Speaker 4: And that's how I've always felt. And when you get

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Speaker 1: Hold tight right there.

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Speaker 5: Hey, this is Tracy Bird, and I tip my hand

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Speaker 2: Star and disl.

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Speaker 4: Mitch Little is our guest. He is currently a state representative.

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Speaker 4: make that clear. Let's talk about me, thank you. Let's

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Speaker 4: you first catch folks up on what they are alleging

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: So there's a for those of you who aren't staying

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Speaker 4: That's not the basis of a mistrial that should have

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Speaker 5: The point of this, in my view, the point of

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Speaker 4: I think you also cannot underestimate that Rodney Ellis has

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Speaker 5: As you know, I will shout it from the mountaintops.

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Speaker 5: The universal basic income program that that they've been pushing

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Speaker 4: I watched this happen in the first state where I

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Speaker 4: And that's going to be the moment that they're now

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Speaker 4: and that's the great frustration. I wish you the best

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Speaker 4: I truly believe this is an axe that Rodney Ellis

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Speaker 1: To stick it to her. I truly believe that's what's happened.

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Speaker 5: There are still good lawyers out there that will fight

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Speaker 5: And we all need to stop and think about the

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Speaker 5: we cannot, Mitch Little. We look forward to hearing more

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Speaker 5: from you.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, sir. I'm getting repect us.

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Speaker 4: I'm getting reports that Jimmy Swaggert has died at ninety

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Speaker 4: The Michael Berry Show, Please clap, Please, lease clap was

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Speaker 4: Jimmy Lee Swaggers past in ninety years old, Pentecostal televangelists,

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Speaker 4: gospel music artists.

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Speaker 1: Grammy nominee.

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Speaker 4: He wrote over fifty Christian books, sold over fifteen million

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Speaker 4: records worldwide, preached revivals in over ten countries.

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Speaker 1: It's amazing.

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Speaker 4: The son of a sharecropper, fiddle player and Pentecostal preacher

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Speaker 4: named Leon, who was known as son so N.

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Speaker 1: His mother's name was Minnie Minnie Bale.

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Speaker 4: She was the housewife mother and also herself a daughter

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Speaker 4: of sharecropper. His extended family had so many cousins marrying

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Speaker 4: in it in this small town that it was described

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Speaker 4: by one biographer as cousins and in laws and other

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Speaker 4: relatives married each other until the klan was entwined like

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Speaker 4: a big type ball of rubber bands. He had two

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Speaker 4: cousins that made the triumvirent, one being Jerry Lee Lewis.

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Speaker 4: Who passed two years ago, and the other being Mickey Gilly.

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Speaker 4: Mickey Gilly told us on the show at one point

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Speaker 4: that the best pianist of the and the one they

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Speaker 4: thought as a kid would go on to greatness in music,

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Speaker 4: was Jimmy Swaggert, and he instead chose to.

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Speaker 1: Be a boxer.

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Speaker 4: He was apparently quite the brawler when they were younger,

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Speaker 4: big and strong and tough. He went on to establish

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Speaker 4: a major, major televangelist presence in the eighties before a

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Speaker 4: lot of the modern folks. Everybody knows he had his problems,

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Speaker 4: and those were played out very publicly, but I think

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Speaker 4: he had quite a ministry. Several times when I would

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Speaker 4: go home in the middle of the day between the

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Speaker 4: two shows and I'd flip on the channels just to

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Speaker 4: clear my mind for thirty minutes or so, there he

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Speaker 4: would be.

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Speaker 1: Waltzing through the aisle, Bible in hand, singing.

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Speaker 4: He would go over to the piano and start to play,

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Speaker 4: and he would play and sing and pre and it

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Speaker 4: was powerful. I mean it was, It was truly, truly

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Speaker 4: very powerful. But I think on this day, as we

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Speaker 4: think of Jimmy Lee Swaggert and Jerry Lee Lewis and

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Speaker 4: our own beloved Mickey Gilly, the three cousins who grew

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Speaker 4: up together in Faraday or Faraday as they say, Louisiana.

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Speaker 4: We are all reminded at this moment when Shirley cue

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Speaker 4: Lickor was on her way to visit her own relatives

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Speaker 4: in Fariday, Louisiana.

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Speaker 7: Thank you for Graham, India. If you are what's an essay?

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Speaker 4: Will you be leaving.

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Speaker 3: From Orange, Texas?

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Speaker 7: Orange?

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Speaker 4: Uh?

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Speaker 7: Huh?

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Speaker 3: And I need to go over at Ferdie, Louisama verdon

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Speaker 3: fra id a wire and it's me and my nineteen

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Speaker 3: children's and we need to leave Monday morning.

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Speaker 7: You were leaving from Odessa, No Orange.

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Speaker 8: You are a eight oh ra Ge Texas and my

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Speaker 8: sister and her husband staying thirday and uh, she wanted

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Speaker 8: us to come over there.

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Speaker 3: She been wanting us to come over. We just hadn't

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Speaker 3: went cause of her auntitood's Frankly, that's the problem is

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Speaker 3: she just she won't ask wrong. I don't know why

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Speaker 3: she just get like that. But now she wanna make up,

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Speaker 3: so she'll say, well, y'all come on and with all

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Speaker 3: these children, I wanna make sure of the price before

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Speaker 3: I book it.

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Speaker 7: Okay, you don't book tickets. You go to the terminal

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Speaker 7: at least one hour prior to buy your tickets.

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Speaker 4: How old are the children?

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Speaker 8: Oh lord, listie?

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Speaker 3: The youngest sweat is fie. Oldest one about seventeen.

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Speaker 7: Okay, rising as an adult?

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Speaker 3: The seventeen dude?

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Speaker 7: Uh huh?

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Speaker 3: And how about sixteen?

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Speaker 7: Okay, ages two to eleven? Ride as children?

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Speaker 3: I think they're all under eleven?

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Speaker 4: Okay, ages two to eleven?

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Speaker 3: Give me the pints on that, okay, and I might

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Speaker 3: bring my good friend while Tuster drinkings from Oh i's apart.

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Speaker 3: So check for two adult. Well, if you have a calculator,

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Speaker 3: what would the total be for nineteen children?

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Speaker 6: Me?

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Speaker 3: And what Tista from urge to ferry to lose that

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Speaker 3: at bank?

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Speaker 7: Okay? Well, I don't have a calculator with me.

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Speaker 3: Just approximated for me.

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Speaker 7: Okay, y'all going round trip?

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Speaker 3: Uh huh? Yeah, I guess I unless something I'm wanna

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Speaker 3: stay with her. I don't care if they want to

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Speaker 3: stay in her house, that's fine, But I'm only buying

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Speaker 3: for round trip.

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Speaker 7: Okay, for two of those, round trip will be two

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Speaker 7: hundred and four dollars.

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Speaker 2: Oh lord, Okay, that's with the adult two adults.

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Speaker 7: Uh huh okay with nineteen children round trip fifty one

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Speaker 7: dollars time nineteen.

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Speaker 4: Here's what and that's how much it's gonna be.

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Speaker 3: How much is that? I don't know. I'm not being

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Speaker 3: to do it with math I don't have my glasses on.

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Speaker 3: How much would that be? For approximately nine.

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Speaker 7: Hundred and sixty?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 6: Jee hell where.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to call her and ask me what

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Speaker 3: she spit it with me again? Okay, And I don't need.

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Speaker 7: To make it.

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Speaker 3: That's first class of coach.

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Speaker 7: It's no first class a coach in grayhound, it's first

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Speaker 7: conference or.

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Speaker 3: Oh okay, okay, thank you dog and have a good

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Speaker 3: week year. Tell you mommy in my Exsha dork Okay.

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Speaker 4: A Houston man arrested for impersonating a US Marshall immigration

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Speaker 4: officer during an attempted robbery of a liquor store owner

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Speaker 4: in southwest Houston. The liquor store owner's wife came out

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Speaker 4: and put some bullets in him. ABC thirteen with the

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Speaker 4: story Surveillance.

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Speaker 6: Video from the store shows exactly what happened. In mid June,

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Speaker 6: HBD says a man pretending to be an immigration officer

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Speaker 6: US Marshall approached the business off South Guster in southwest Houston.

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Speaker 6: The employee realized it wasn't an officer when the man

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Speaker 6: was attacked. The employee's wife was in the store and

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Speaker 6: saw what took place. She ran out with a gun

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Speaker 6: and started to shoot the suspect took off. That's when

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Speaker 6: the employee who was being attacked opened fire as well.

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Speaker 6: The suspect was shot but got away. Officers later found

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Speaker 6: the injured suspect. The victim told us what happened after,

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Speaker 6: he says the man claimed he was an officer.

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Speaker 1: They told me, I'm on copper, I'm the police.

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Speaker 8: Get out on the floor and I say, I don't

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Speaker 8: do anything.

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Speaker 6: As for the suspect, he was injured, but he managed

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Speaker 6: to crawl away to a getaway vehicle. We have ass

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Speaker 6: officers that if someone else would be charged, and so

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Speaker 6: far it is unclear this morning if there is anyone

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Speaker 6: else at facing charges connected to this case now. As

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Speaker 6: for Jonathan Prince, he is in the Harris County jail

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Speaker 6: scheduled to go before a judge in just about two

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Speaker 6: and a half hours. He's charged with agrib