Speaker 1: Look man, oh, I see you. Why oh and look
Speaker 1: over there? How is that culture? Yes? Goodness, let calling.
Speaker 1: I mean we offlined about excitement jitters um I have Well,
Speaker 1: this is the thing. Do you remember when our guests
Speaker 1: came on our podcast over three years ago? It is
Speaker 1: wild for me to say, and I think it was
Speaker 1: one of the highlights of us even doing this. I
Speaker 1: think it's one of the most like superior episodes of
Speaker 1: the show. And they went back and listened today and
Speaker 1: it really is. It's wonderful. That's also a trip to
Speaker 1: listen to our voices. Both you and I found completely different.
Speaker 1: That's but that's that's that's that's not the that's not
Speaker 1: the headline. But we're just I didn't know what it
Speaker 1: is like it's they're lower and it's like, did we
Speaker 1: just get older? But I know it's also just a
Speaker 1: little bit more years, you know what I mean. It's
Speaker 1: getting getting older is different than the years, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. But it's true, our voices have absolutely sunk,
Speaker 1: and I feel I have to retroactively apologize to you
Speaker 1: about something what happened. But I did listen to this
Speaker 1: episode and preparation that episode, in preparation for this one,
Speaker 1: and I got to a point where I got over this.
Speaker 1: But you know, back in the day, I used to
Speaker 1: just talk and talk and talk and talk, and I
Speaker 1: feel like sometimes I would just absolutely talk over you.
Speaker 1: I think I was so excited this day, but I
Speaker 1: kept saying to myself, Matt, I know you're excited, but stop.
Speaker 1: It's not one of my memories of the day. It
Speaker 1: really isn't. I remember our guest coming just touching us.
Speaker 1: She got she got tactile. We all got tactile that day.
Speaker 1: We all got tat that day. And I mean and
Speaker 1: the fact that like it was no bullshit because she
Speaker 1: was laying out this like organizing principle in her life,
Speaker 1: which is maggots and magic, which is that there's this
Speaker 1: thunderbelly in life and in the people you And then
Speaker 1: you read the book. There's a book. You read the
Speaker 1: book and you're like, oh wait, she's she's like she's
Speaker 1: like committing it to the written word, and it's Matt,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say something. God, I think this is maybe
Speaker 1: it's recency bias. I don't know. I told our guests
Speaker 1: the second I finished it, I clapped to no one
Speaker 1: in a dressing room by myself. I clapped, and I
Speaker 1: feel like it's the most life affirming, uplifting memoir I've
Speaker 1: read maybe ever. It's it's it's so beautiful. It's understandable
Speaker 1: readers when we say this is cannon, this is something
Speaker 1: you have to go read. Every time a chapter ended,
Speaker 1: I had to close the book and cry like three
Speaker 1: single tears to myself, which is different than crying. Three
Speaker 1: single tears is different than crying. It's actually a real
Speaker 1: culture number three single tiers different than crying. And I'm
Speaker 1: telling you, like, I'm working right now and I'll just
Speaker 1: be sitting like like and like just smiling and laughing
Speaker 1: out loud at the book to myself. And people are like,
Speaker 1: what is what are you reading? And I'm like I
Speaker 1: showed them the cover and I'm like They're like, give
Speaker 1: me that after you're gone, and I'm like yes, And
Speaker 1: now it's promised to two gays, which is fine for
Speaker 1: me because I will go out and purchase the book.
Speaker 1: All the women in my brain by our guest the
Speaker 1: second I can, which you also must, it is capturing
Speaker 1: what it's like to be alive period. I mean period.
Speaker 1: This is the other imperative. The Conscian k n t
Speaker 1: inheritive conscient conscient, He's it's this is me being annoying philosopher,
Speaker 1: philosophy buff and in high school rock. This is what
Speaker 1: you have to do. You have to download the audio
Speaker 1: book as well, because just here period, Because to hear
Speaker 1: it being read is crazy. That because what I did, Man,
Speaker 1: I would read a chapter, I'd be like, damn, and
Speaker 1: then I was like, I gotta hear how Betty's reading it. Double.
Speaker 1: I got to hear the line reading, I got to
Speaker 1: hear the chapter reading Martino, and then very much, so
Speaker 1: very much show it was worth it, worthwhile. Here's here's
Speaker 1: something to say when the person is a performer, read
Speaker 1: the audio book, and it's ruleal culture number thirty when
Speaker 1: persons performer book. I don't want to talk to anyone
Speaker 1: who's simply just read Jennifer Lewis's memoirs. You must experience
Speaker 1: and sit in them. This is no different. Though I
Speaker 1: haven't yet read the audio book. I mean listen to
Speaker 1: the audiobook. But as we prove every episode of this thing,
Speaker 1: you can read things that you listen to. So I
Speaker 1: haven't yet grabbed the auto book. I made no mistake,
Speaker 1: but wow, I am so excited she's here. Um, so
Speaker 1: much has happened. Spoke to her and let's just let's
Speaker 1: do it. Okay, every one welcome zoom energy. Who I
Speaker 1: keep forgetting that I'm alone in my bedroom. I'm blushing
Speaker 1: as if we're all together. I'm trying that I got
Speaker 1: tactile the last time. We're not sorry because apparently it
Speaker 1: went well. But I believe that there were I remember
Speaker 1: where we were sitting in there in that little room
Speaker 1: where we were recorded that podcast, and I believe there
Speaker 1: was even moments of hand holding. I'm just saying like,
Speaker 1: and I have to say, just like that was such
Speaker 1: a that made such an impact on us that day,
Speaker 1: like that conversation that we had, and then like with
Speaker 1: this book, it's just such a joy to be in
Speaker 1: your world. Like it's really really just very singular and
Speaker 1: so smart and so funny, but so thoughtful. And I
Speaker 1: just want to comment you right off the bat by
Speaker 1: saying something that really struck me is the care and
Speaker 1: the love with which you write all the characters in
Speaker 1: this even the ones that you clearly didn't have a
Speaker 1: great interaction with or like you drag a little bit,
Speaker 1: you illustrate so beautiful hair. Literally but like you, you
Speaker 1: illustrate every person that has impacted you so beautifully. And
Speaker 1: I just wanted to tell you that so much. That
Speaker 1: means so much, That means so much to me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was. We did a book event in New York,
Speaker 1: um and one here in l A. And there were
Speaker 1: I did the Drew Barrymore show that day, and my
Speaker 1: sweet publicist was like, I just need you to know
Speaker 1: that the event tonight for your reading. I was like,
Speaker 1: I read an essay and then do a Q and
Speaker 1: A afterwards. She was like, the event tonight, the seating
Speaker 1: capacity is und forty people and we absolutely do have
Speaker 1: thirty two tickets. Like, but then a few more people
Speaker 1: than that came, not a fort but uh. And it
Speaker 1: felt like this moment um. It was like the end
Speaker 1: of It's a Wonderful Life where everyone comes into his
Speaker 1: house to get Like I was sitting at this table
Speaker 1: and every time I looked up from the book, it
Speaker 1: was somebody else from the book that I haven't seen
Speaker 1: in twenty years. And like Katie Cruity from a high
Speaker 1: school you know, who drove in from long Like it
Speaker 1: was just this this is your life moment. It was
Speaker 1: really it was kind of spectacular. Yeah, but yeah, I
Speaker 1: hope no one gets mad. People who would get mad,
Speaker 1: I don't think we would read the book. I think
Speaker 1: you mentioned that at one point, You're like, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: like drag with care of this person. They won't read this. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I feel like that's the memoir rule if you're writing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I changed all the names and tried to be
Speaker 1: super I think I was really um. I wanted people
Speaker 1: to be able to plug themselves into the book, even
Speaker 1: if they didn't know or care who I was, or
Speaker 1: honestly nowhere care about the entertainment industry at all. So
Speaker 1: I felt nervous about using specifics because I also didn't
Speaker 1: want to be I don't know. It's the weird uh
Speaker 1: push and pull of my personality of being like which
Speaker 1: I tried to talk about the book too, of like,
Speaker 1: oh gosh, who am I to saying? But it's like,
Speaker 1: I am an actress who has written a book about herself,
Speaker 1: not a cowering introvert who's like, you know, fixing glaciers
Speaker 1: melting like I, I absolutely am a narcissist, So my
Speaker 1: therapist I shouldn't even use that word as a joke
Speaker 1: anymore because it's actually a very clinical thing. Wait, who
Speaker 1: said that? My therapist? Your therapist. Let's let this be
Speaker 1: a continuing arc on the on the show, which is
Speaker 1: me being obsessed with my own therapy. I did find
Speaker 1: I had to I have let one go. So that's
Speaker 1: a that's a positive step. Congratulations, I let one go. Um.
Speaker 1: When I used to go to her on the Upper
Speaker 1: east Side, the older ladies, tiny little studio, no windows open,
Speaker 1: and uh she was it was like the fourth session,
Speaker 1: she was like, I'm gonna stop you. Are you allergic
Speaker 1: to smoke? I was like, am I allergic? No? She's like, okay,
Speaker 1: keep going, Like I kept cradling on. She goes to
Speaker 1: her desk and lights a cigarette in the room with
Speaker 1: the windows and smokes the whole thing like it was
Speaker 1: nineteen fifty. It was pretty amazing. But that's like I
Speaker 1: can't come back. Wow. Yeah, I refused to return to
Speaker 1: nicotine office while I while I try to find my soul. Yeah, totally.
Speaker 1: It's probably the person before I was like, I'm allergic
Speaker 1: to smoke, like searching for some excuse. Also, I'm very
Speaker 1: curious about smoke allergy, like allergic to smoke. I think
Speaker 1: probably smoked. I don't like we're all irritated by it. Yeah. Care,
Speaker 1: She's like, just smoke, love it, love her. Yeah. Okay,
Speaker 1: how are you feeling in your post summer sort of
Speaker 1: like twilight into fall? Because I feel like you've had
Speaker 1: a very intense six months no or like plus I'm
Speaker 1: sure like a year or eighteen months, Like I could,
Speaker 1: I could go on, I could increase the range. I
Speaker 1: feel like it's gonna want. I feel like I haven't
Speaker 1: really done a good job of checking in with that. No,
Speaker 1: I know you guys do have the last three years span.
Speaker 1: It's crazy. I mean I was going to re listen
Speaker 1: to our episode uh for this too, and then I've
Speaker 1: got too nervous too, and so but now I feel
Speaker 1: like I should have because I'll have no new thoughts
Speaker 1: to share. But I do feel like when I came
Speaker 1: on last time, I was at this point of UM
Speaker 1: being out of town a lot and hashtag missing my friends,
Speaker 1: and so I was obsessed with this podcast, just listening
Speaker 1: to two best friends giggle with each other. And I
Speaker 1: do feel like I'm there again in a different way
Speaker 1: of like, you know, I had a baby during UM.
Speaker 1: The pandemic got pregnant March, and uh had my daughter
Speaker 1: Mary in November. And then like so obviously as we
Speaker 1: all were, I was removed from my friends and then
Speaker 1: hyper so because of you know, she was an infant
Speaker 1: and I was super freaked out. And then my only
Speaker 1: really reintroduction to being in groups of wonderful people were
Speaker 1: sets like going back to work. Um, which is great,
Speaker 1: but it's this weird like Orwellian fake society where you
Speaker 1: know you're it's it feels not real and not totally
Speaker 1: you know, it's just like a little corporate bubble of
Speaker 1: where COVID doesn't exist. Um, so I haven't been around.
Speaker 1: I've just like now I'm getting back into like holding
Speaker 1: the faces of my best friends and seeing them again
Speaker 1: up close. But I've like really become re obsessed with
Speaker 1: your podcast for that, you guys are like my my
Speaker 1: friendship du lah of like simulating friendship quarantined await from people,
Speaker 1: which I'm sure all the readers felt that way during
Speaker 1: the pandemic. For sure, we feel we feel a lot
Speaker 1: closer to them, Like I don't know that was really
Speaker 1: some people say like during during that pandemic, like that
Speaker 1: we filled a lot of space and like a quiet
Speaker 1: for them, but also that was such a thing for
Speaker 1: us too. It was like just still connected to doing
Speaker 1: something and each other. Like I mean, I can't believe
Speaker 1: a whole pandemic. I just a whole pandemic has gone
Speaker 1: on since we've last seen you. And it's funny that
Speaker 1: we've very much had the energy last time we were
Speaker 1: like this is the beginning that. But like another thing
Speaker 1: that struck me, Like as you were talking about about
Speaker 1: the book, and one of my favorite things that you
Speaker 1: describe is that sort of transience of like working with
Speaker 1: people and allowing them in and having that experience, that
Speaker 1: tribal thing of like we're working on a thing together,
Speaker 1: like and you get close and like actors are very
Speaker 1: open people, and like you connect with people, and then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden that job ends and you go away,
Speaker 1: and like I really struck by, um, your story of
Speaker 1: connecting with the older actress you did the play with
Speaker 1: and then ending and you're being like wow, outside of this,
Speaker 1: like would we ever even look at each other? And
Speaker 1: then you move on with your life. But so because
Speaker 1: it's not the same as your real people, because they
Speaker 1: contractually go right right, Yeah, Yeah, that's an essay where
Speaker 1: I talk about the sort of um I call it
Speaker 1: the thing, which is like when you work with someone,
Speaker 1: the different kinds of connections that you can have that
Speaker 1: in a creative environment you're sort of allowed to just
Speaker 1: bypass these normal, uh small talk, we're getting to know
Speaker 1: you steps, like you just skip too deeply knowing each other.
Speaker 1: And it's a little dangerous too in skipping something. Some
Speaker 1: of those steps are there in place for a reason
Speaker 1: of like protecting yourself or not getting into a connection
Speaker 1: where you're on different pages or there's a weird power
Speaker 1: dynamic or um. And I try to talk about the
Speaker 1: different types of one. But yes, there was one with
Speaker 1: an older lady that I did a play with where
Speaker 1: just because we shared a dressing room and the job
Speaker 1: sort of told us we did display for five months together,
Speaker 1: and the job kind of told us where and how
Speaker 1: to be close and that we didn't really need to
Speaker 1: do any of the legwork to water the relationship or whatever.
Speaker 1: We just we're able to sort of see. But we
Speaker 1: were kind of like um, weird demented twins in our brains,
Speaker 1: and it was and then when it was over, we
Speaker 1: had a yes, say goodbye, because but I think I
Speaker 1: am bad at that. I really am. I am. I
Speaker 1: do wonder if I kind of abuse the business sometimes
Speaker 1: of like getting to hyper connect and then ghost. I'm
Speaker 1: trying to get better at it. But it's yeah, but
Speaker 1: you also like have this lasting example in your life
Speaker 1: of that with Cosmo. It's like, that's how you guys met. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't know. I had no idea that's how you
Speaker 1: need that on that project and then he just kind
Speaker 1: of stuck around even though you guys sort of like
Speaker 1: it seems like maybe in the back of your minds
Speaker 1: were trying to really get rid of each other totally. Yes, really, yeah,
Speaker 1: You're like, no, I'm gonna be my own person, but
Speaker 1: I'm in love. I'm gonna have experiences, but I'm in love. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: well I think we all deal with that. Like, Okay,
Speaker 1: So there's only so much time in my life and
Speaker 1: in the day and in you know, which do I
Speaker 1: spend it becoming the most actualized version of my own independent,
Speaker 1: liberated self, or work towards the career that I want,
Speaker 1: or find a partner and put down roots. Like how
Speaker 1: do I do these all three things in one lifetime?
Speaker 1: And I think finding Cosmos so early I was like, well,
Speaker 1: if this is the person, this is too early. Like
Speaker 1: I agree. It's like, why don't want you to say
Speaker 1: you agree? Yeah? Yeah, but yeah. We played a brother
Speaker 1: and sister. He used to be an actor. We played
Speaker 1: brother and sister in a movie. And there's a scene
Speaker 1: where there is a scene where he uh tickles me.
Speaker 1: And at the Syracuse Film Festival, you could feel the
Speaker 1: audience be like, I think, yeah, I don't like this
Speaker 1: movie anymore. Yeah, forget it. Well, whatever is that is?
Speaker 1: That is? That? Is that streaming playing anywhere? No? No,
Speaker 1: I really want to see the signal. I tried to
Speaker 1: look it up. I was like, OK, what's first IMDb credit?
Speaker 1: I was so sleuthy with this book and I made that.
Speaker 1: I don't know that it got me anywhere, but I
Speaker 1: did really get horned up when you describe the moment
Speaker 1: you laid eyes on him, which was that you were
Speaker 1: like someone who was so screaming my type, and then
Speaker 1: the thought in your mind was oh no, I have
Speaker 1: to I have to have sex with this, And I
Speaker 1: was like, oh god. The feeling is a scary. It's
Speaker 1: a scary feeling, especially when you're working with someone You're like, oh, shoot, totally. Yes,
Speaker 1: conclusion just was it just a sexy feeling or was
Speaker 1: it like a star shower was happening behind him, Like
Speaker 1: can you tell it that just sex, that's just sex? Yes, totally,
Speaker 1: And it was that for a while, and then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, I sort of and I think I
Speaker 1: had because in talking about these connections that you make
Speaker 1: with people, you really it's hard to separate, um how
Speaker 1: you're in love with their idea of you, and you know,
Speaker 1: you realize like, I'm did I ask them a question?
Speaker 1: And I am I actually curious about this person. I'm
Speaker 1: I just so addicted to this feeling of they think
Speaker 1: I'm the music video version of myself. So I think
Speaker 1: it started there for me. I was like, oh, he
Speaker 1: thinks I'm the person that I wish I was. And
Speaker 1: then and we were having a really good time, and
Speaker 1: then I sort of got tricked into seeing who he
Speaker 1: actually was, which I'm in love with this person. Falling
Speaker 1: in love disabled your own narcissism of being addicted to
Speaker 1: the feeling of infatuation. Yeah, you tell a really like
Speaker 1: I think that In the book, there's a moment that
Speaker 1: sort of pinpoints when it went from oh, this is
Speaker 1: fun to Oh this might be real, and I just
Speaker 1: want to say, like how vividly New York the thing
Speaker 1: of the hot pipe was. There's a story, so I
Speaker 1: won't spoil anything, but there's something that happens between Betty
Speaker 1: and Cosmo early on in the relationship that involves an
Speaker 1: exposed hot pipe in the bathroom, and that took me
Speaker 1: back to living in New York, like like in those
Speaker 1: types of apartments, the amount of exposed hot boiling hot
Speaker 1: types is that legal? Where where are our government elected
Speaker 1: officials on this? We have to get yeah, come on, yeah,
Speaker 1: there was there was there was a line that you, um, well,
Speaker 1: first of all, the okay, Betty, you have like such
Speaker 1: a comedians knack for joke structure, like the way right
Speaker 1: is so it is so considered in that way where
Speaker 1: you always end on the funny part you want like
Speaker 1: you understand that structure so well, and um, but the
Speaker 1: perfect examples when you mentioned you and Cosmo, I think
Speaker 1: attempting an open relationship, like there's a raft break, there's
Speaker 1: a line break, and use that this this is the
Speaker 1: equivalent of a blinkot and Mary Todd trying to figure
Speaker 1: out sick. It's like I'm butchering in between the language.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's what straight people do in an open relationship,
Speaker 1: is Yeah, I couldn't believe it that like a heterosexual
Speaker 1: open relationship like that had that had to drive you nuts.
Speaker 1: I sometimes like, nowadays, remember how incredible it was, and
Speaker 1: cause it was like you were visible. I I mean, yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: New York was just too small and too you know
Speaker 1: heterosexual just put us down like we're we're trying to
Speaker 1: keep up with the cool kids and we should just
Speaker 1: be pushed out to see um. Yeah, but we tried.
Speaker 1: We tried it for a couple of years, which I'm
Speaker 1: glad we did. We I was I was very young
Speaker 1: when we yes, yeah, yeah, yes, And every time I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we've been together this long, I always want to be
Speaker 1: like ending ding ding. If there's anyone in this room
Speaker 1: who's concerned about that math for our history. We had
Speaker 1: an open relationship for almost four years. Don't worry. We'd
Speaker 1: fucking other people up and down in our twenties. Don't
Speaker 1: worry about us. But that struck me when you said
Speaker 1: that New York is too small, because I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I guess that's I guess that's that's true. For like,
Speaker 1: that's true for you, Betty Gilpin, where you're like, I'm
Speaker 1: not going to fuck any of these like bankers or whatever.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know what your standards were at
Speaker 1: the time, but I'm sure like you were dealing in
Speaker 1: a small circle. With a small circle, we were like,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna like, I'm not interested in anyone who's
Speaker 1: not like who doesn't get me on a certain level.
Speaker 1: Does that make sense? Yeah, I guess so, or like
Speaker 1: it just wasn't. It's like maybe that the rules were
Speaker 1: just confusing to all the other straight men and women
Speaker 1: in New York, like everyone else had been on board.
Speaker 1: It's like finding the people who are like, yeah, that's cool.
Speaker 1: Um that that felt And also every time it just
Speaker 1: felt like every I mean I write in the book
Speaker 1: about both of us being totally caught by the other
Speaker 1: person's friends and just being like, OK, don't tell that's
Speaker 1: the rules of it all. Or would always trip me
Speaker 1: up because I like we were talking about this last night.
Speaker 1: A bunch of people I was with were like, well,
Speaker 1: I have a boyfriend that has to know everything before
Speaker 1: it happens, and I was like, see, that would drive
Speaker 1: me absolutely insane, as both people in the party. I
Speaker 1: can understand like two things completely don't ask, don't tell,
Speaker 1: and afterwards you have to say something happened. But what
Speaker 1: people are comfortable with our say they're comfortable with is
Speaker 1: so interesting because I'm like, you both feel this way,
Speaker 1: or who's making concessions here and dying someone right right
Speaker 1: right totally, And I think the way that I also
Speaker 1: try to think about like career stuff and um, you know,
Speaker 1: in the book, I try to write about how you
Speaker 1: can confuse like the your own inner light coming out
Speaker 1: into a room with societal success, like actualization with societal success.
Speaker 1: It can be very easy to confuse those two things
Speaker 1: of like am I achieving my childhood dream? Or is
Speaker 1: the internet clapping? Are two different things? Um, and I
Speaker 1: think like just along lines of fucking who you want
Speaker 1: or whatever, it's like we're all just trying to have
Speaker 1: a clear conscience when we're wrinkly on the porch someday,
Speaker 1: like I gave myself all the opportunities, like I tried,
Speaker 1: or I I didn't stand in my own way. I
Speaker 1: think that's that's what I was most afraid of. With
Speaker 1: all three of those categories, actualization, career, and romance. I
Speaker 1: just just like, oh, I'm I can't be it can't
Speaker 1: be my fault that I didn't try. Yeah. Yeah, well
Speaker 1: there's there's there's there's like a beautifully short as say
Speaker 1: chapter what would you call them? Just the terminology of
Speaker 1: it in installment, okay, stories, it's you taking cosmos to
Speaker 1: meet your your family and Thanksgiving love. Yeah, and it
Speaker 1: ends with I mean like it's it's this amazing story.
Speaker 1: He hits it off with everybody. He like mixed shoes
Speaker 1: out of like under sink garbage. It's crazy. I'm spoiling it.
Speaker 1: I'm spoiling it. No, it's not. It's not the Da
Speaker 1: Vinci code. The plot points aren't at work. I don't.
Speaker 1: I disagree. Okay, So I feel like we might have
Speaker 1: even for for the reader, for the listener. Put the
Speaker 1: car before the horse, Betty. Do you want to first
Speaker 1: of all, do you want to just like talk about
Speaker 1: what the book is like broad strokes like sure, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I I wrote a book. It's kind of part um
Speaker 1: personal essays about my life and then part I guess
Speaker 1: attempting to be comedic social commentary about being a woman
Speaker 1: and being in the entertainment industry. And I think I
Speaker 1: sort of realized that in a way I had kind
Speaker 1: of you know, I've always felt like my brain was
Speaker 1: a room full of women, or that I was sort
Speaker 1: of cycled selves depending on who was in front of me,
Speaker 1: like the sidekick or the girlfriend or that this, And
Speaker 1: I think that that's a very common feeling. And I
Speaker 1: realized that I had sort of literally com modified that
Speaker 1: feeling in being an actor and sort of literalized this
Speaker 1: allegory in my life. And uh, I tried to write
Speaker 1: about all that and sort of um making an alpha
Speaker 1: living out of all the beta characters I was playing
Speaker 1: in other people's lives And was that impact towering or
Speaker 1: was that not? Like, um, so yeah, that's and then
Speaker 1: also I write about my dog, which was so beautiful.
Speaker 1: I mean, people, there's dog there's dog content in this
Speaker 1: which will take you for a trip to Saturn and
Speaker 1: back emotionally. And thank god you really got it with
Speaker 1: the dog stuff. Okay, thank you. Sorry, sorry to take
Speaker 1: a little like detour on that, but I love it.
Speaker 1: I I feel like I I identified with that. I
Speaker 1: feel very seen by it with me. The I think
Speaker 1: of them less as brain women or brain people as
Speaker 1: like sometimes in my mind I will see myself in
Speaker 1: an avatar that I'm not like oftentimes it'll be I'll
Speaker 1: just watched a movie and I clearly will have connected
Speaker 1: with a character because I see myself in life as
Speaker 1: that character. But I think that's what it is for
Speaker 1: me for some reason, Like lately, i've really in my
Speaker 1: in my vision of myself, I have a very long
Speaker 1: pone detail. I don't know what that means, but like
Speaker 1: I don't know what that means, but I actually I've
Speaker 1: heard a lot um but that I think speaks to
Speaker 1: like your actual like upbringing being watching your parents do
Speaker 1: characters maybe and also like you know, being in environments
Speaker 1: you spoke on the last episode that you were on
Speaker 1: about like being raised in theater. I think I understand
Speaker 1: that as like it's it's a journey to find your
Speaker 1: one person, but it's fun and it's like functional as
Speaker 1: you're growing up to see yourself as many different like
Speaker 1: characters that can come in and like you know, spin
Speaker 1: the plate for you when you actually don't know you
Speaker 1: know what I mean totally yes, And it's so funny
Speaker 1: that you say the long ponytail because I was thinking
Speaker 1: when you were talking in the intro about apologizing about
Speaker 1: talking over like I do. When I listened to your podcast,
Speaker 1: I really I think a lot about them. Did you
Speaker 1: guys listen to Peter and the Wolf when you were little?
Speaker 1: Like the the it's is it like it's like a
Speaker 1: narration and yes, um, it's just the two instruments that
Speaker 1: you guys are. It's it's like fun when you talk
Speaker 1: over each I think about whenever you do a rule
Speaker 1: of culture and it's never in Innison. It gives me
Speaker 1: so much joy because it's two different It's like piccolo
Speaker 1: and bassoon or whatever, and the long the long pony tail.
Speaker 1: I always like I picture you guys sometimes as these
Speaker 1: characters of like if it's it's it's not in Ellis Island,
Speaker 1: but it's like a city hall type place or a
Speaker 1: complaints where like you you have to stand you're like, um,
Speaker 1: you know, women on the brink standing in line for something,
Speaker 1: and Matt is in like an Aaron Brockovich type outfit
Speaker 1: and has cutting the line and platform shoes, shaking his
Speaker 1: form and you know, has his finger in the face
Speaker 1: of the teller and you as the reader kind of
Speaker 1: next you listening, and it's incredible and it's a monologue
Speaker 1: and it's amazing piccolo work. And then you go to
Speaker 1: leave and you look down at the door and you've
Speaker 1: you've just been stabbed, and you look up and it's
Speaker 1: bowen wrapped in silks for like bassoon energy of like
Speaker 1: you know once and when comes in the Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: it's just the most true check out And thank you
Speaker 1: for that. Yeah, it's why I always always picture this
Speaker 1: is by lovingly illustrating the characters period period, this is
Speaker 1: this is your knack for metaphor, like should the end
Speaker 1: degree for us? Like you describing us in these ways
Speaker 1: like that? Well, definitely my editor helped me pull the
Speaker 1: metaphor back a little bit. She was like, some of
Speaker 1: this doesn't make sense. It's like great, great, great, Gregor
Speaker 1: tell me where like I talked, there's a part where
Speaker 1: I talk about um when the connections essay about like
Speaker 1: having these connections with older men were my senior or
Speaker 1: and like, uh, I mean obviously my senior, but who
Speaker 1: I admired and I thought it was just this platonic
Speaker 1: sort of all that exists is the art mind melding,
Speaker 1: and actually found out they were just trying to sleep
Speaker 1: with me, as they were many other people and the metaphor.
Speaker 1: I was like, it used to be like oh he
Speaker 1: it wasn't just our text thread. He had many going
Speaker 1: at the same time, as if we were all so complicated,
Speaker 1: like sickly turtles in one cage and he dropped in
Speaker 1: one life saving penestillan turtle vitamin and he only needed
Speaker 1: one of us to survive. My editor was like, you
Speaker 1: need to cut this. I like that, and you're saying
Speaker 1: the acknowledgements like thank you for reminding me of this
Speaker 1: sentence does have to make sense because like you know,
Speaker 1: yeah didn't Yeah, I didn't have a lot of periods,
Speaker 1: and they put them in. It was a sprinkling of punctuation. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm going all over the place with this fucking
Speaker 1: book because, like every it just hit me at these
Speaker 1: at such regular intervals. Okay, but this is what I'm
Speaker 1: talking about with Thanksgiving. One, Um, you bring Cosmo home,
Speaker 1: it's going great. And then I'm gonna paraphrase and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna butcher it, so please correct me. But your dad
Speaker 1: just gets everyone to get close their eyes and imagine
Speaker 1: something that they have that they don't deserve. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: then you open your eyes and you see Cosmo looking
Speaker 1: at you back at you. I was like, holy shit,
Speaker 1: you can't write this stuff. You can't fictionalize this stuff.
Speaker 1: That is right, That is crazy so amazing. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was pretty incredible. I mean, you know, I do think uh,
Speaker 1: like what we're I don't know if you guys feel
Speaker 1: this way. It's it is this amazing gift to be
Speaker 1: able to do what we do for a living. It
Speaker 1: is confusing to like have these uh you know, jumping
Speaker 1: from kind of group to group or society to society,
Speaker 1: of like feeling like it's like a high or being
Speaker 1: a drug addict and building a life where it doesn't
Speaker 1: always feel like a high, but you're taking care of
Speaker 1: yourself and making deep connections with people that last I
Speaker 1: don't know, I learned so much, um really falling in
Speaker 1: love with uh him, I don't know, and it was terrifying,
Speaker 1: continues to be terrifying. It's still completely terrifying having Oh
Speaker 1: my god, I mean because then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: it's like, wow, a real thing that's outside of myself,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like I think that something
Speaker 1: some One of the things I love about this book
Speaker 1: is there is a tension between um, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: really growing to believe in myself and growing to be
Speaker 1: the type of person who can say I deserve this,
Speaker 1: I want this, I'm asking for this, I'm going for this.
Speaker 1: But also you know that tug of war that is,
Speaker 1: but there's the you, there's the other you that needs
Speaker 1: to be taken care of and like that wants to
Speaker 1: connect with someone and put roots down, but it's just like,
Speaker 1: but like, I only have one chance for this, and
Speaker 1: or it feels like that, and there's that tension between
Speaker 1: that person they tell you you want to be and
Speaker 1: almost working up to that, and then you know those
Speaker 1: moments where you look over at someone at a dinner
Speaker 1: table and you know, in this moment you share that
Speaker 1: and like a soul connection that feels like almost not
Speaker 1: tenable when you want to work, work, work, work, work,
Speaker 1: because you've been given the opportunity, you know, yeah, yes totally.
Speaker 1: And I think do you guys feel this way that
Speaker 1: you know, being in this phase that we're in where uh,
Speaker 1: in your career you can okay, here comes a metaphor.
Speaker 1: I think about the part in Aladdin where he has
Speaker 1: to go in down into the cave of Wonder or
Speaker 1: whatever and not touch anything but the lamp. It's like
Speaker 1: and I think when um, I was doing the theater
Speaker 1: for ten years to an audience of no one, you
Speaker 1: know or whatever, there was a lot of feeling invisible
Speaker 1: and feeling like, funk, this sucks. And now there's so
Speaker 1: much more opportunity to like reader and holding my iPhone,
Speaker 1: like participate in the parade of your like in the
Speaker 1: validation or the there's just more opportunity to like sit
Speaker 1: and have a little more candy or like have your
Speaker 1: brain be a little more eaten by the reception of
Speaker 1: your existence in the world. And I I just I'm
Speaker 1: so nervous about that and superstitious of like this part
Speaker 1: is gonna end, and the things that are going to
Speaker 1: last are the things like looking up and seeing Cosmo
Speaker 1: looking back at me. Those things you know, it's possible
Speaker 1: to like fuck up. I don't know, Like it's all
Speaker 1: out of the lamp. I'm like, we just gotta like
Speaker 1: totally celebrate ourselves and root for ourselves. But you gotta
Speaker 1: not stay too long at the at your own parade,
Speaker 1: because your brain is going to be eaten. Like like
Speaker 1: when I do a talk show, I'm like, you can
Speaker 1: watch it once one time like or I know you
Speaker 1: were talking about the Emmy's bone and feeling kind of
Speaker 1: gross post it just it's it's also not I don't know,
Speaker 1: I'm all over the place with topics like a it's
Speaker 1: not a healthy it's it's super strange. Yeah, yeah, And
Speaker 1: you know what to what I try to remind myself
Speaker 1: is that you are the only person watching it this closely,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like that whenever, like whenever
Speaker 1: I feel like there was a moment in something that
Speaker 1: I didn't get right or like especially like now that
Speaker 1: And I will say I did identify with this book
Speaker 1: probably a lot more than I would have a few
Speaker 1: years ago. And also in re listening to our episode
Speaker 1: a few years ago, I actually like it was like
Speaker 1: listening to it with new ears because I've been through
Speaker 1: a little bit more. I think Bowen has as well.
Speaker 1: I think our just careers progressed a little bit more
Speaker 1: so now I understand when you say things like when
Speaker 1: you were talking about like the publicity of it all
Speaker 1: and the taking of pictures and the showing up to
Speaker 1: events and that part of it. You do like when
Speaker 1: you get it, it's it's like demystifying in a way.
Speaker 1: That could be demoralizing, but that is also kind of
Speaker 1: freeing because it's just it does make you realize, like,
Speaker 1: you know, me, like slaying every second of this talk
Speaker 1: show appearance, or like looking good in this picture or
Speaker 1: being invited to this event is actually silly, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. It's still think about. It could be fun.
Speaker 1: I have fun doing all of it, but when you
Speaker 1: see the smoke and mirrors, they are so that Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what I was getting from. Yeah, And not only
Speaker 1: are there things silly, but they're deceptive. And I'm gonna
Speaker 1: extend the thing of what Betty you talk about with
Speaker 1: like the thing and like like everything being set up
Speaker 1: so that like the work is done for you to
Speaker 1: achieve that connection. Um like like I'll just say like
Speaker 1: for stuff that I've done, and like you know, there's
Speaker 1: there there are only so many products that I've done
Speaker 1: so far, so people can like use deductive reasoning. But
Speaker 1: it's like I had like a showman's and I was
Speaker 1: like I really bought it. For a second. We were
Speaker 1: making each other playlists, we were really like talking as
Speaker 1: if we were like mat and I was like, wait
Speaker 1: a minute, I have to back it up. But I'm saying,
Speaker 1: like all all of these other little things as part
Speaker 1: of like if you get lucky enough to work somewhat
Speaker 1: consistently at a certain exposure or like brightness, like these
Speaker 1: things like the work gets done for you in a
Speaker 1: way like like someone picks out your your dress or
Speaker 1: your suit. Someone picks out like the things like the
Speaker 1: talk shows you go to things, things are like done
Speaker 1: for you in such a way. Maybe this is what
Speaker 1: is this where you're getting? Is this what you're talking about?
Speaker 1: It's like this is gonna end, like the work will
Speaker 1: not always be done for me, and so therefore I
Speaker 1: have to do my own legwork in terms of like
Speaker 1: making sure my partner is okay, my child is okay. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: And it's it's just easy to like things that they
Speaker 1: feel like they are registering as a ten in the
Speaker 1: same way. Are are different, Like you know, maybe the
Speaker 1: Showmance wasn't you know, lasting, but I do think, like,
Speaker 1: I mean, how did you guys meet? You know, it's
Speaker 1: this is very lasting? You know it's there. It's it's
Speaker 1: almost like this I feel it about having a daughter,
Speaker 1: where I uh, it's like this contract with the devil
Speaker 1: I signed of like you've been living on a and
Speaker 1: I feel being an actor too. It's like even living
Speaker 1: on a scale of you thought you were living one
Speaker 1: to ten, you're you've been living four to six. You're
Speaker 1: about to feel what tens and ones are. And I
Speaker 1: like signed, I was like, okay, I want the tens
Speaker 1: and the ones are in unbelievable and it, you know,
Speaker 1: it makes me feel that way about the world. To
Speaker 1: having her, I'm like simultaneously like doom, scrolling about how
Speaker 1: much time we have left on earth literally and being like,
Speaker 1: I mean, is there God? I didn't think there was,
Speaker 1: Like maybe God exist, Like I have so much hope
Speaker 1: and so much fear at the same time, And I
Speaker 1: think that way, you know, being an actor too, it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, I have a friend who works a cubicle
Speaker 1: job and he's like, I hate lunch in my car
Speaker 1: because I hate my coworkers. It's fine, like you're not
Speaker 1: sobbing with the people that you You're not holding your
Speaker 1: hands and talking about your childhoods and making playlists like
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not that you have to be an
Speaker 1: actor to have deep connections with people, but I think
Speaker 1: it is, like it's wild how fast it happens. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: but this deal that you make, like I'm gonna I'm
Speaker 1: gonna like play on the edge of um the safety
Speaker 1: of my ego and health and whatever in making all
Speaker 1: these connections along the way and like a little parade
Speaker 1: for myself. But I'm it's like a risk every time.
Speaker 1: I know. What's what's so funny is like I feel
Speaker 1: it happening even now I'm working a job right now,
Speaker 1: and I just so happened have fallen in love with
Speaker 1: a couple of people like up here, like I genuinely
Speaker 1: love and adore them. It's literally just a thing of
Speaker 1: like I don't know, I feel like now that I've
Speaker 1: done a few projects where like I too have gotten
Speaker 1: really emotionally wrapped up in a few people, like I
Speaker 1: do try to set a boundary now because you know
Speaker 1: that like it's true that you'll be talking about like oh,
Speaker 1: when did you lose your virginity? When was your first kiss?
Speaker 1: When was your this? When was your that? Like in
Speaker 1: a way that like yeah, is unique not knowing like
Speaker 1: what their apartment looks like, where they're from, or what's
Speaker 1: the middle name. Like there's just this bypass that yes, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's the best and it's sucking. Its dangerous. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean it'll break your heart. It has you know, like it.
Speaker 1: I mean like it's and then it's weird like too,
Speaker 1: because it's like you do something with someone and in
Speaker 1: the case of if it's on a platform where they're
Speaker 1: actually gonna put work into people seeing it, you then
Speaker 1: get back together with them to promote it, and you're
Speaker 1: this weird other version of yourself that's not in a
Speaker 1: makeup trailer talking ship with HMU. It's someone who's in
Speaker 1: like head to toe Todd Snyder and like has someone
Speaker 1: named Jessica doing their makeup, and like then you're talking
Speaker 1: to them getting ready to do this thing, and it's
Speaker 1: like it's like you worked together as kids in a treehouse, Like,
Speaker 1: oh my god. And then if on this part I
Speaker 1: fall and you hit is it stupid? If we do
Speaker 1: one where you hit me in the face with it,
Speaker 1: and like see like, oh my god, you were the
Speaker 1: same kind of kid I was. And then when you
Speaker 1: see each other for press or whatever, you're no longer
Speaker 1: sit in the treehouse. You're like sold out adult and
Speaker 1: seeing them like that and you like that it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: now we're on a panel in silks and this. I
Speaker 1: don't want you to see me like this or me
Speaker 1: It's it's like it's like they knew the five thirty
Speaker 1: am makeup trailer you and now they're seeing the seven
Speaker 1: pm cocktail party for the thing you right, like, well,
Speaker 1: but what about that thing were you know? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you're not like allies in the same thing anymore.
Speaker 1: It's like back out to the wolves, Yeah, very much,
Speaker 1: the wolves. It's heartbreaking to even talk about to even
Speaker 1: hear you guys describe a bit, well, you get to
Speaker 1: I don't know that is I guess the cool things
Speaker 1: like you genuinely. I always do this thing where I
Speaker 1: say genuinely instead of generally, and I'm working on it,
Speaker 1: but genuinely and generally go back each and every year
Speaker 1: to like which is I think so cool and honestly, Betty.
Speaker 1: Another thing I'm thinking of is like the fact that
Speaker 1: there was a season four of Glow that was going
Speaker 1: to happen in the community of actors that I know
Speaker 1: you love so much, and then all of a sudden
Speaker 1: they just say, never mind stop and also we're not
Speaker 1: going back like that didn't get to have like a
Speaker 1: an ending, you know, like yeah, yeah, and there are
Speaker 1: two episodes that exists, like we shot two Yeah, so crazy, No,
Speaker 1: I know it was. It was painful, so strange. I
Speaker 1: watched a few episodes of it again today just because
Speaker 1: I in listening to the episode, I remembered how much
Speaker 1: I loved it. And I did watch season two episode before,
Speaker 1: which is My Girl's Showcase, and I just loved it.
Speaker 1: What a great show. What a shame we didn't get
Speaker 1: to see more. What a shame. Oh, you want to
Speaker 1: know what you've seen? I went back and watched Matt
Speaker 1: was when Alison Body's character comes back from like just
Speaker 1: the rapey hotel room with the work exactly, and then
Speaker 1: Debbie and then and then Betty's character is like there's
Speaker 1: there's a line reading and this is what this is,
Speaker 1: and and hearing and seeing Betty describe herself as making
Speaker 1: too many faces and like that being like a bad thing,
Speaker 1: and like you there's a line reading where um, Alison goes,
Speaker 1: so I went to his head? So like she was like,
Speaker 1: so yeah, he made a pass at me. And then
Speaker 1: Betty does a line reading of it's three words, three words, Okay,
Speaker 1: there's like ten faces where she goes, what did you do? Like,
Speaker 1: it's just the worst. What did you do? And then
Speaker 1: Alison goes, I left, and then Betty goes, Debbie goes,
Speaker 1: you left, Like it's just it's it's these, it's these,
Speaker 1: it's these crazy, not crazy, it's just these like amazingly
Speaker 1: dense and it's it's in the writing, it's in the
Speaker 1: fucking book. It's like it's so dense, Betty, Like everything
Speaker 1: you give out is just so such a rich cake.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're so good, You're such like a monster.
Speaker 1: You're such an enormous well of talent. I want to
Speaker 1: tell you, so we haven't seen you since then, I believe, I, like,
Speaker 1: you know, reached out and was emphatic, but like I
Speaker 1: never watched movies like The Hunt because I really can't
Speaker 1: like it. But when I tell you, I gripped the
Speaker 1: sides of my sofa and like the parts that I
Speaker 1: could handle. I sat on the sofa and watched, and
Speaker 1: then I ran to the back. Jared will tell you
Speaker 1: I ran to the back of the living room and watched,
Speaker 1: like peeking up from the kitchen. But I did watch
Speaker 1: the whole thing. But I was literally on my feet
Speaker 1: running around screaming. Scared me so much. But you eight
Speaker 1: the Hunt. Oh my god, you were so brilliant, and
Speaker 1: all the readers like, if you haven't watched The Hunt,
Speaker 1: you can you can like get it. I think ye Netflix,
Speaker 1: I think so. I think wonderful video free with ads
Speaker 1: if you want, if you want that. But your chapter
Speaker 1: about the hunt is also incredible. I mean, like I
Speaker 1: didn't know all that was going on, but yeah, what
Speaker 1: just checking in now, like the hunt of it all,
Speaker 1: like being at the center of that, and then also
Speaker 1: feeling like it just was something that that then passed
Speaker 1: like that had to feel so surreal. It's I'm sure
Speaker 1: you guys have had your versions of it. I like, okay,
Speaker 1: basically the cliffs Notes version is I was doing, um,
Speaker 1: a dog's purpose to in Winnipeg, you know, as we
Speaker 1: all know, no needs on your shoulder. Yeah yeah, I
Speaker 1: got that so dark, um and being like okay, this
Speaker 1: is this is which whatever, No, no disrespect to that
Speaker 1: that art forum. But I was like, you know, maybe
Speaker 1: I'm now and I was playing the mom of a
Speaker 1: she was twenty five years old and I was thirty
Speaker 1: two in The Dog Movie, where I was a drunk
Speaker 1: mom screaming at eagles. Um, I can't believe and I've
Speaker 1: made this hail Mary audition tape for the lead in
Speaker 1: this movie, and they were like, oh, you know the
Speaker 1: reason that we want an unknown. I love when they
Speaker 1: say an unknown to your face, like you're a mentor
Speaker 1: or something. Yeah. Um, because everybody dies at the beginning.
Speaker 1: We'll just put famous people in those roles and then
Speaker 1: you'll be like the secret surprise lead. Um. And I
Speaker 1: thought really hard for the job, got the job. Glow
Speaker 1: wasn't going to let me out, and so I spent
Speaker 1: months writing letters to fight for keeping the job, and
Speaker 1: then uh whatever, and then did the job, loved the job,
Speaker 1: and then it was misrepresented on the internet. I would say,
Speaker 1: like the trailer made it seem like it wasn't a
Speaker 1: satire whatever. The dude who was the president at one
Speaker 1: time tweeted about it, and I got thousands of death
Speaker 1: threats and Fox News got my cell phone number and
Speaker 1: my address and it was like this weird thing of
Speaker 1: and then Universal pulled the movie and canceled it, and
Speaker 1: it was this uh and it was like my favorite
Speaker 1: thing I'd ever done, just sort of stupidly creatively. I
Speaker 1: was like, but my opus is locked in there, like
Speaker 1: and it was sort of learning the lesson of does
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter if the if the world class like
Speaker 1: if the world sees it happened, like if happened, it happened,
Speaker 1: and um, and then you know it came out eventually
Speaker 1: and no one remembered it at all. That it's it's
Speaker 1: so crazy when the Internet ships itself over you in
Speaker 1: a negative way and then just the tides of the
Speaker 1: Internet washed away and the person remembering it is you, yeah,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, you have a line in the book here
Speaker 1: like um, so it's I forget what the first half is.
Speaker 1: But it's like, you know, controversy, Like with controversy, the
Speaker 1: Internet goes crazy with redemption. It's like redemptions silent, redemptionous quient. Yes,
Speaker 1: I was like, damn that that is That is sort
Speaker 1: of the that is sort of like the dynamic profile
Speaker 1: of that kind of thing where it's like there's no
Speaker 1: release or maybe the release is like the the sort
Speaker 1: of blowout anger of it all, like the collective like
Speaker 1: the outrage and then like there's no there's no balancing
Speaker 1: of that ledger like in people's minds, which is kind
Speaker 1: of awful, but it I mean it came and watch
Speaker 1: their team. I remember I remember what it was. It
Speaker 1: was like my first lockdown, sit down watch. I remember,
Speaker 1: like I watched Gray Gardens at the original I was like,
Speaker 1: let me just get a feel for like what being
Speaker 1: in the house is like. Um, and then and then
Speaker 1: I remember watching The Hunt and I will never ever, ever, ever,
Speaker 1: ever forget ever forget before you shoot Amy Madigan in
Speaker 1: the face cigarettes in Arkansas like cost six books, you
Speaker 1: fucked up, bitch, and then you kill can Just like
Speaker 1: when you're doing a movie like that that is so gory,
Speaker 1: like how much of that is practical? And are you
Speaker 1: freaking out like like like or did you start of
Speaker 1: like because you were in the zone like you you
Speaker 1: went away because that is a That was a really
Speaker 1: wild movie. Yeah, yeah, it was wild. It was not
Speaker 1: a lot of practical blood at all. Okay, the I
Speaker 1: mean the fight stuff was weirdly, glow felt more like
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, your body, it's like, hey,
Speaker 1: what do we do for a living? That was crazy
Speaker 1: more just I mean I trained a lot for The Hunt,
Speaker 1: but glow was it just felt like you were in
Speaker 1: a car accident over and over and over and over again. Um,
Speaker 1: and you realize that stunt people like even though they're
Speaker 1: they're like Olympians or whatever. But their job is to
Speaker 1: hurt themselves. It's not like you find a way to
Speaker 1: secretly not hurt yourself. It hurts so much and it
Speaker 1: gets harder and harder every passing year. Yeah, because you
Speaker 1: just have to keep doing it. Like that's never not
Speaker 1: going to be a part of the show glow. Yes, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: But I will say there is a scene at the
Speaker 1: end of The Hunt which is like it rivals Beyonce
Speaker 1: and Ali Larder as the greatest greatest face off in
Speaker 1: the history of believe. I mean, Hillary Swank and Betty
Speaker 1: Gilpin absolutely kill each other. Yeah, it's so good and
Speaker 1: you never have to do that again. For me, Matt,
Speaker 1: to watch a movie that you don't enjoy like or
Speaker 1: the genre, you get you get scared, and then do
Speaker 1: you keep getting scared, like thinking about it, like, well,
Speaker 1: I'm just very sensitive to like shocking violence. But the
Speaker 1: thing is about The Hunt is it so gets you
Speaker 1: ready for that tone literal seconds into the movie, which
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think I've spoiling anything, but like
Speaker 1: literally everyone dies and the pretty much the beginning, and
Speaker 1: then like Betty has fallen the lead so like just
Speaker 1: to see Ema Roberts's head get blown off, like I
Speaker 1: was just like, oh my god, and I screamed and
Speaker 1: then like honestly it was like it was like then
Speaker 1: like the Amy Madigan part did happen. And I was like,
Speaker 1: all right, I guess I'm just living in this world
Speaker 1: because part You're like, oh, this is this is to
Speaker 1: be a joy ride. This is gonna be like not
Speaker 1: a joy ride, but it's gonna be fun for us. Yes,
Speaker 1: And also I will put myself through pain for an
Speaker 1: actress tor divorce, you know what I mean, like an
Speaker 1: actress sorter force. I will I will suffer great, great
Speaker 1: harrowing um inconvenience like like even like you know, I
Speaker 1: was thinking about watching Black Swan again the other day
Speaker 1: and I was like, remember that part where when herself
Speaker 1: in the face so then she turns into that late foreman.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, I can put myself through that for
Speaker 1: an actress tort of force again for yeah, what about
Speaker 1: did you want for an actress worter force the Tony
Speaker 1: Colette movie. Um, I don't do that Hereditary and I
Speaker 1: will watch mid midsmar either. Sorry, really I can't do it.
Speaker 1: No Ariaster is furious. Probably, I think you could do
Speaker 1: mid Somar. I don't like hearing movies and I, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think so. I think I could do mid Somar.
Speaker 1: I've heard that Midsmar is like beyond the Pail. I
Speaker 1: think Hereditary Match should see I think Match is the
Speaker 1: hereditary force, sure, because it's like camp again. No, no,
Speaker 1: I think it is so like the moment where things
Speaker 1: get bad. I've heard about that. It's it's it's it's unforgettable,
Speaker 1: like and come off. Yeah, it's not even when the
Speaker 1: head come off. It's when discovers the next morning, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, or when there's when she's up in the corner.
Speaker 1: I remember being in the in the audience. Writer Doyle
Speaker 1: and I saw it together in West Hollywood and someone
Speaker 1: went because it's the part where someone's in the corner
Speaker 1: of the screen like this and no people from her
Speaker 1: saying that noise. We were like, what is the can
Speaker 1: do it? Like? I wish I wish it was a
Speaker 1: thing that I like was like, yeah, it'll be so fun.
Speaker 1: Come on, guys, and like you go in like with
Speaker 1: happy girl friends and sit there and order pizza and
Speaker 1: like have popcorn and you hide behind the popcorn buck
Speaker 1: getting you throw out at each other like so fucking cute,
Speaker 1: and line of the movies like and it's scary woo
Speaker 1: like I can't I freak out. I'm up screaming and
Speaker 1: my my shoulders go to my head and I'm like
Speaker 1: in physical pain. I wake up really sore. The next day.
Speaker 1: I understand. I'm I got Have you seen Barbarian yet, Betty?
Speaker 1: I really want to see it. It's supposed to be amazing,
Speaker 1: it's supposed to be great, It's it's it's it's an
Speaker 1: Airbnb horror. I mean, I don't like, she doesn't like it,
Speaker 1: but I am realizing if there's a female Torta force,
Speaker 1: I do. I do, Yes, I believe. I believe Barbarian
Speaker 1: is a female tod force. That's all I'll say. Anyway,
Speaker 1: That's yeah, that's all. I was going to bring up
Speaker 1: the palace because they feel like this is a very
Speaker 1: pertinent thing to not to get like exclusively show busy
Speaker 1: in this episode. I feel like it's it relates to
Speaker 1: like everything else we've talked about, because I feel like
Speaker 1: you write about how you conceive of this palace in
Speaker 1: showbizuere like they let you in like you know, you know,
Speaker 1: if you if you whatever, like make all the right
Speaker 1: choices or whatever, if things line up for you in
Speaker 1: the right ways, then you like touch the moon right
Speaker 1: like that, You're you're sort of breathing verified air. You're
Speaker 1: like kind of with all these other people who are incredible. Um,
Speaker 1: but I feel like with the way that like the
Speaker 1: business works in the way and like the work that
Speaker 1: is required of let's just say actors who like have
Speaker 1: to simulate all of these relationships and intimacies and all
Speaker 1: these things. Like I don't know, I feel like if
Speaker 1: you if you're in the palace for too long, then
Speaker 1: that's also like destructive. Then that's all that is also
Speaker 1: something that like is irreversible and like you're study, you're
Speaker 1: you're you're imprisoned in the palace for the rest of
Speaker 1: your life. We were talking about this idea of the palace,
Speaker 1: which is like for everyone that's that's listening that hasn't
Speaker 1: yet read the book, which is this idea of like
Speaker 1: the fancy level of Hollywood, which is like the parties
Speaker 1: and then nomin nations of it, all the award shows
Speaker 1: and like the actual attention that comes with is you
Speaker 1: know quote unquote succeeding in the entertainment industry as an actor,
Speaker 1: where it looks like they're projecting you back out to
Speaker 1: the world as like a shiny thing, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like that the concept and this idea that
Speaker 1: like does it exist at all? Like the feeling is
Speaker 1: like you're almost there. One more thing and you'll be
Speaker 1: there right around the corner. One more thing, like one
Speaker 1: more financial bracket or one more thing on your IMDb
Speaker 1: page and you'll be let in. And then once you
Speaker 1: think you're being let in, there like like through that
Speaker 1: door and up those stairs. Um. You know, I think
Speaker 1: that it's been a particularly strange you know, being an actress.
Speaker 1: They are just more visual smoke and mirrors, opportunities to
Speaker 1: just look different from how you woke up in the
Speaker 1: more in terms of like being on a talk show
Speaker 1: or being on a red carpet or something, there's just
Speaker 1: more uh or Actors sort of become this um like
Speaker 1: being on set. It's like you're a bulletin board for
Speaker 1: every other department's work to post on. It's not because
Speaker 1: you're a very special Mariantoine at pretty pretty princess who
Speaker 1: deserves attention. It's like you just become the bulletin board
Speaker 1: for more people's art or work like lighting and makeup
Speaker 1: and costume and um, and that can sort of weirdly
Speaker 1: bleed into your life outside of set, that you become
Speaker 1: this uh I don't know, like um, like a heightened
Speaker 1: version of yourself made by a bunch of other people,
Speaker 1: which feels like I like my face better when a
Speaker 1: professional artist has done it up and and my hair
Speaker 1: and my clothes and you know, I've never been It's
Speaker 1: like I I almost I feel like some of my
Speaker 1: creative window into being an actress because I wasn't good
Speaker 1: at that stuff, because I was really like that girl's
Speaker 1: best friend carrying her books. And now I'm like, cause
Speaker 1: playing as her because I've presented my notes on her
Speaker 1: as an actor, and now I thought, I'm like, if
Speaker 1: I become her and I stopped, well, I stop the
Speaker 1: ability to play her. Yeah, it's like that thing of
Speaker 1: just your being too like it's the fear of being
Speaker 1: too aware of yourself. Yeah, and and like yeah, there
Speaker 1: there does seem to be like I remember in our
Speaker 1: last episode with you, like you talked about being in
Speaker 1: l A and like some people are just after this
Speaker 1: for maybe a different reason than you are, and you're
Speaker 1: someone who actually enjoys being these people and showing your
Speaker 1: work because of your you know, time observing them and
Speaker 1: like what you get to channel through them. But then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden they do push you out and
Speaker 1: they're like, this part is also important basics grand for
Speaker 1: a publicist, you know what I mean, right, And it's
Speaker 1: like and then you're like, wait, this doesn't track, but
Speaker 1: it better because that means more of the stuff that
Speaker 1: you liked or so they tell you, you know what
Speaker 1: you know, so it becomes this like very weird like
Speaker 1: system you participate in. And one of my favorite things
Speaker 1: you say in the book, which is something I didn't
Speaker 1: realize until we went to their Critics Choice Awards when
Speaker 1: Bone was nominated, is the little line that you get
Speaker 1: into get to the carpet. This is like something I'm observing,
Speaker 1: like about the reality of the situation. I thought when
Speaker 1: I was a little kid watching award shows, that's like, oh,
Speaker 1: they pull up in the limousine and there they've arrived
Speaker 1: to the red carpet, and look at them take to
Speaker 1: the red carpet and people are taking photos of them.
Speaker 1: They look stunning as people shout their name, they moved
Speaker 1: to be interviewed by you know, Ryan's secrests or Ryan
Speaker 1: Seacrest type, and they go in, have a full meal
Speaker 1: and then win or gracefully lose the award. They drink
Speaker 1: on the rest of their night, and mary they get
Speaker 1: a full night sleep and continue working as happy actors. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: it's like you pull up to the red carpet and
Speaker 1: then you do. You get on a little line that
Speaker 1: actually can be a very big line of people waiting
Speaker 1: to get their photos taken and their publicists, and it's
Speaker 1: just so interesting because it is this thing. It's like, oh,
Speaker 1: to two people in front of me, there's Juliet Lewis
Speaker 1: also standing staring at nothing, and it's just like miss
Speaker 1: and magic Mountain line of like corporate roller coat. You're
Speaker 1: like what and but you've been spending two hours getting
Speaker 1: yourself so hyped up and like this is my night,
Speaker 1: like this is the whole world has gathered to see
Speaker 1: me in this night, and then you realize how low
Speaker 1: on the totem pole you are and how Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: it's just corporate prom Yeah. But I think my little
Speaker 1: theory on top of this theory is that like the
Speaker 1: people on the top floor of the palace. The people
Speaker 1: who have like been there for a very long time,
Speaker 1: or people are people of high esteem and honor, are
Speaker 1: not even that thrilled to be there themselves and any
Speaker 1: of that. That That that's very that's not a new idea,
Speaker 1: and like a lot of this part of the business
Speaker 1: is demystified to everybody now, but like um or has
Speaker 1: been for a long time. I just feel like, you're you're,
Speaker 1: everyone is right to disengage from this as soon as possible,
Speaker 1: as soon as they understand what's going on, turn their way. Yes, yeah, completely.
Speaker 1: You know what's funny is like I remember standing in
Speaker 1: that line and thinking that it's that crazy feeling of
Speaker 1: like you do you get all excited and then you
Speaker 1: get in the line, and I was with Bowen, so
Speaker 1: it's like it's like, oh wow, like now we all
Speaker 1: have to stand here and wait to get on this
Speaker 1: carpet and have that thing go on in our head
Speaker 1: of like do people even want to see me here?
Speaker 1: I'm not going out there. It's insane that I'm going
Speaker 1: out to look at the people around me. They're actually
Speaker 1: like people that people know I'm not doing this. And
Speaker 1: so there was like a hair brained idea that I
Speaker 1: would like go out and take a picture with Bowen.
Speaker 1: And I turned to Boone and I was like, look,
Speaker 1: the people don't want to see me. I'm getting the
Speaker 1: funk out of here. And he was like, God, God,
Speaker 1: I wish I could go with you. And I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: well see you. So I went in and had a
Speaker 1: drink and saw sort of like for some reason, I
Speaker 1: was in there, and I saw sort of the upper
Speaker 1: echelon of the palace, and when I tell you, Will
Speaker 1: Smith and Jada Pinkett Smith walked right in front of
Speaker 1: me and they glided past me wordlessly. I just breathed,
Speaker 1: you look incredible to Jada as she goes by, and
Speaker 1: she just looked and sort of gave me eye contacted
Speaker 1: a slight smile, and I thought, Wow, the peak of
Speaker 1: Hollywood glamour, the Palace, the Palace, the King and the Queen.
Speaker 1: Weeks later, he would slap him out on television, right right,
Speaker 1: So there is a storm underneath. But don't you feel
Speaker 1: like at those things, seeing people even though it's still
Speaker 1: the palace and grows seeing people who you have made
Speaker 1: those connections with love it It's like, oh, there is yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's you can find little pockets of treehouse in
Speaker 1: the in the palace, but and I do think those
Speaker 1: are it is different. Even though they're fleeting and strange,
Speaker 1: it is still really meaningful. I mean, we mean friends
Speaker 1: that night like we we we like is not the
Speaker 1: award shows? Yes, yes, yes, it's sometimes funny though who
Speaker 1: those people are too? Like you know, we were sitting
Speaker 1: at the table and I literally looked across the room
Speaker 1: and Molly Shannon was over there and I couldn't run
Speaker 1: bowing over to Molly Shannon quick enough, like to think
Speaker 1: of Molly Shannon being that person in the room the
Speaker 1: let's yeah right right, yes, yeah, And when Mark Marin
Speaker 1: I immediately start. I never thought that it would be
Speaker 1: that way. Isn't that funny? Yeah? The Haven people like
Speaker 1: the Haven people are always surprising. Do you guys find
Speaker 1: in in these three years where your careers have soared,
Speaker 1: do you find it like, especially comedy wise, do you
Speaker 1: find that success has made your job easier of like
Speaker 1: like going on stage and doing it or are you
Speaker 1: more in your head or are you more like I
Speaker 1: have the I know I have the room so I
Speaker 1: can do the jokes I want when you go first. Okay,
Speaker 1: the my whole Emmy's breakdown last week, which thank you
Speaker 1: everybody for um listening to that. It was very self
Speaker 1: indulgent that I would even bring it up on the podcast.
Speaker 1: But that's that's an example of like, it's not getting
Speaker 1: easier of me second guessing this very basic thing that
Speaker 1: I thought I was good at, that I am expected
Speaker 1: to do UM and just being like and having this
Speaker 1: full dysphoria with it, being like I don't, I don't,
Speaker 1: and I say dysphorias, and like other people have been like, no,
Speaker 1: like you, I don't know why you think that, And
Speaker 1: I guess I'm trying to move past it by calling
Speaker 1: it that, but I think that it his his. It
Speaker 1: was literally the fact that I had a suit, I
Speaker 1: had a tux on, and that my hair was that
Speaker 1: my makeup for and was late, and so therefore I
Speaker 1: was like studying examining my face and my hair and
Speaker 1: being like, I don't look right, and it's and it
Speaker 1: has nothing to do with the capital t W work,
Speaker 1: you know, like it has nothing to do with that.
Speaker 1: And that's what I think I'm the most frustrated about
Speaker 1: is that I'm like, I'm hung up on something that
Speaker 1: I shouldn't even be hung up on. But therefore, like
Speaker 1: on a meta level, that is the frustrating thing about
Speaker 1: being in a place like that, And then I don't
Speaker 1: know that's that's I'm still kind of scattered about it. Matt,
Speaker 1: what do well? For me? It's similar because I also
Speaker 1: find myself distracted sometimes, but I think I do it
Speaker 1: to myself and just like thinking about the actual work itself,
Speaker 1: Like I feel so grateful to have these opportunities that
Speaker 1: I have, Like it was always my dream to book
Speaker 1: a show like I love that for you, Like it
Speaker 1: was always my like dream to be able to do
Speaker 1: a movie with my friends and stuff, and like, you know,
Speaker 1: it was my dream to be able to one day
Speaker 1: like say, I have a comedy special and that I
Speaker 1: have these opportunities, Like I get a little in my
Speaker 1: own way when I think about sucking them up. So
Speaker 1: I guess, like that's where what it is for me is.
Speaker 1: It's just like, yes, of course I have all the
Speaker 1: same um things around, you know, the star machine of
Speaker 1: it all, you know what I mean. I look at
Speaker 1: it and I'm like sometimes I look at my own
Speaker 1: Instagram and I'm like, does it look like a funny
Speaker 1: person's Instagram or just look like someone who's posted a
Speaker 1: lot of pictures of himself. So I have a lot
Speaker 1: of that, And I definitely think that because it was
Speaker 1: my first experience in that machine like that, I've learned
Speaker 1: from it, and you know, next time I'll be able to, like,
Speaker 1: you know, keep the beast alive a little bit more
Speaker 1: than just like you know, picture um. But I also
Speaker 1: think at working at my job, like I've had other
Speaker 1: act like Jennifer Lewis called me after we wrapped the
Speaker 1: show and had to come out and she said, I
Speaker 1: couldn't tell you this while we were shooting, but I
Speaker 1: want to tell you now you're too hard on yourself.
Speaker 1: And just hearing it from someone like her who really
Speaker 1: apparently why watched and really apparently cared, I was just like,
Speaker 1: you know what, now, I think I'm actually ready to
Speaker 1: hear that and be go a little bit easier on myself,
Speaker 1: because I think it's harder when you know you can
Speaker 1: do it. And I say this not as someone with like,
Speaker 1: not in an arrogant way, but I know I've worked
Speaker 1: hard and I know I'm talented, and so I just
Speaker 1: don't want to mess up the opportunities, and so that
Speaker 1: gets more difficult when the opportunities are definitely going to
Speaker 1: be seen, and when you are standing with people you
Speaker 1: really respect and want to impress. You know, we're not
Speaker 1: in basements anymore. Um, before two people, It's like, you know,
Speaker 1: these are real opportunities to show yourself, and what you
Speaker 1: have to remind yourself is that you're only going to
Speaker 1: access the maximum of that opportunity by just letting yourself
Speaker 1: be because you are why you're there. Yeah, and almost
Speaker 1: like I find it so interesting, um honestly watching uh,
Speaker 1: certain people in old episodes of SNL before they were
Speaker 1: like stars of SNL and like like I forget who
Speaker 1: it was, Kristen Wig or Will Ferrell or something like
Speaker 1: their first skits they're not getting huge laughs because they
Speaker 1: don't like have the room already, like like the people
Speaker 1: aren't already Like what's it gonna say? It was? He
Speaker 1: gonna say, Oh my god, I knew it was gonna
Speaker 1: be amazing, Like winning people over from zero. It's it
Speaker 1: takes a different set of tools. And I think like
Speaker 1: probably in high school that's what we all did. Like
Speaker 1: I remember saying a joke under my breath, no one laughing,
Speaker 1: and then the jock next to me saying it louder
Speaker 1: and getting a huge lad and being like, fuck off, man,
Speaker 1: you just have the thing that I can't get, like
Speaker 1: like the social poll of like the cafeteria being like,
Speaker 1: whatever you do, we already are on board with you.
Speaker 1: And so I wonder, I wonder if you're listening back
Speaker 1: to yourself from three years ago, if it's like that
Speaker 1: shift of like what's been at it is you have
Speaker 1: the room now, and there's there's a difference between like
Speaker 1: letting your brain get drunk on your follower account or
Speaker 1: being at the palace and over serving yourself, or and
Speaker 1: like the other thing is shedding a skin that's not
Speaker 1: serving you anymore, of like you don't need the self
Speaker 1: hate to or being hard on yourself to like get
Speaker 1: the joke in sideways, because like you're at a different
Speaker 1: fucking table now, and it's so finding a way to
Speaker 1: still be able to sleep at night and be like
Speaker 1: I'm always gonna hate myself, I was gonna be hard
Speaker 1: on myself, and I'm always gonna come and think sideways.
Speaker 1: But maybe there's a different Maybe my voice has dropped
Speaker 1: for a good reason. Oh my God, I feel like
Speaker 1: this whole episode has been me quoting your own book
Speaker 1: back at you. But I did right down one line
Speaker 1: which was so resonant and very important and it's exactly
Speaker 1: what you're saying. But you were like, my favorit kind
Speaker 1: of work is the weird silly work that like, UM
Speaker 1: people make when um they're uninhibited, and that work never
Speaker 1: gets made. If the loudest voice in your head is
Speaker 1: maybe I should shut up, maybe I should be quiet,
Speaker 1: I've been living with that voice for like the past year.
Speaker 1: I think I think, I think this last season on
Speaker 1: US and Now, I had a great season. I was
Speaker 1: so lucky um to do everything I did. But I think,
Speaker 1: I think, I think maybe something happened, like after that
Speaker 1: second season that I had where I was like, this
Speaker 1: was wow, I never expected these things to happen to me, um,
Speaker 1: And it felt like I was really like earning earning
Speaker 1: like whatever, like my key because I was still like
Speaker 1: young and scrappy and starting out and it was like
Speaker 1: you know COVID shows where we only had a half
Speaker 1: full house, and I was like, I really gotta I
Speaker 1: really gotta like go for it. And then maybe I
Speaker 1: was like resting on my Laurels a little bit this
Speaker 1: this last year. But I feel like there was that
Speaker 1: also left room for that voice to creep in and
Speaker 1: be like you should not do that that like you
Speaker 1: probably shouldn't. And I think this just applies to like
Speaker 1: my whole like comedic output in general. Like I haven't
Speaker 1: but on stage, I haven't, um like in front of
Speaker 1: like a you know, like like as myself, like in
Speaker 1: like you know, in front of an audience really and
Speaker 1: I'm I'm really excited to change that soon with stuff
Speaker 1: and uh yeah, anyway, but but but that but thank
Speaker 1: you for putting in those terms, Betty. But you're also
Speaker 1: such a surgeon in terms of the way you your
Speaker 1: comedy is. So it's so exact in the way that
Speaker 1: you've observed all walks of life. And I think that
Speaker 1: that probably it's one of the myriad of reasons why
Speaker 1: you're so brilliant, but also maybe a reason that like
Speaker 1: you can't turn that off, like if you're if you're
Speaker 1: not taking apart the syllables of um an alexis Nyer's
Speaker 1: phone call, it's like that turn onto your own self
Speaker 1: of like if I don't have an engine going forward
Speaker 1: into something, maybe it turns, which I mean we all
Speaker 1: have that version of like the wheel gets put on
Speaker 1: its side and it's like a tunnel downward, like and
Speaker 1: now it's really dark. Um, but I'm so much but
Speaker 1: as an audience member, I'm so much more interested in
Speaker 1: your kind of comedy and art and uh as opposed
Speaker 1: to like I feel like some comedians are just it's
Speaker 1: like comfort porn, like you're watching someone like I feel
Speaker 1: like that's why Louis c k was like, you're just
Speaker 1: watching someone be so like no difference between if they
Speaker 1: were talking to their best friend in their kitchen or you.
Speaker 1: And it's like, oh wow, how interesting to see someone
Speaker 1: be just so inherently themselves. But there's a point where
Speaker 1: I don't know, that gets a little stale. It's weird
Speaker 1: that we do any of the things we do and
Speaker 1: there's something that special or like, I don't know, there's
Speaker 1: there's nothing that's exceptional about this work except that you,
Speaker 1: as an individual have to negotiate your own let's just
Speaker 1: say narcissism. I know it's a clinical term, but like
Speaker 1: narcism with all of the all of the offerings and
Speaker 1: the spoils that like the industry can give you I
Speaker 1: think that's like, yeah, that's that's what we're all talking.
Speaker 1: But but another element of it that you do say
Speaker 1: in the book is that a lot of it is fun,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like it's fun. I mean,
Speaker 1: here's the thing about Cinderella. She wasn't the sad emoji
Speaker 1: leaving the ball. That's not the emoji she was. She
Speaker 1: she was this emoji and describe for the reader's bow.
Speaker 1: She Oh, she was that side I like smirk, and
Speaker 1: she was a little sided. She was a little bit yeah,
Speaker 1: and she was also a little bit a little what
Speaker 1: is face melting? Face melting? I think her face was
Speaker 1: melted because there had been so much magic, Like I
Speaker 1: didn't know that was possible. He's just Christ literally and
Speaker 1: then also a little bit horny for the sorry but
Speaker 1: prince Prince, and then definitely smirking at the possibilities of
Speaker 1: a new world. And I think that is the thing
Speaker 1: about going to these things, because you do leave a
Speaker 1: little bit like drunk and giddy, and you're like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, I talked to X y Z and like,
Speaker 1: and you buzz a little bit because you get a
Speaker 1: glimpse into that horny little world and then which it
Speaker 1: is a horny little world. Yeah yeah, and at which
Speaker 1: I do love about it, but like um, and then
Speaker 1: you giggle away and you're like, oh my god, like
Speaker 1: I got to like look into the fish bowl, but
Speaker 1: it's so different. And also you know, to like coming
Speaker 1: up as a little kid who like did read magazines,
Speaker 1: like I remember reading US Weekly and laughing my ass
Speaker 1: off to the fashion police, wanting to know what everyone
Speaker 1: was up to, you know what I mean, Like these
Speaker 1: people that I saw doing something I wanted to do,
Speaker 1: What were they up to? What were they like, what
Speaker 1: was going on in their lives? And then you get
Speaker 1: into fish bowl and you're like, oh, these are just
Speaker 1: people with varying degrees of like you know, whatever is
Speaker 1: going on. And another thing about the stylist of it all,
Speaker 1: like the pr of it all is. I remember like
Speaker 1: reading those Uspeklee like fashion police things and if people
Speaker 1: wore a bad outfit and we're like like clock throwing
Speaker 1: a bad outfit. I remember me as a little kid
Speaker 1: used to think, yeah, they're so stupid, Like they're so
Speaker 1: stupid looking ugly, and it's just like, you know, any
Speaker 1: of us were the stylist could show up looking bad
Speaker 1: at any time, I never have loved my people, but
Speaker 1: like it could happen to the best, smartest, most talented individuals,
Speaker 1: and it has. But I remember thinking, like as a
Speaker 1: little snarky kid who probably would be on Reddit these days,
Speaker 1: a little shutter to think, yeah, what an idiot Laura
Speaker 1: flt Yeah, what a fool like she t bos from TLC.
Speaker 1: Really sucks because she showed up and I didn't like
Speaker 1: her garment, Like dancing in this movie or show. It's
Speaker 1: a little show, but it's an episode where we do
Speaker 1: do choreography and I have been doing it in heels,
Speaker 1: which I have to say sucks. Wow, Ginger Rogers behind
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I know. But coreo, the coreo of it all.
Speaker 1: I find choreography to be excruciatingly hard. I don't know
Speaker 1: that part of my brain doesn't exist. It's also just
Speaker 1: like when you know, when you ever watch choreographers talk
Speaker 1: to each other and they start to talk in like numbers,
Speaker 1: and it's like on the two and the three, and
Speaker 1: I think the three should actually become twos or should
Speaker 1: they stay fours? Let's have it so, let's have um,
Speaker 1: let's have Matt still be two and then where everyone
Speaker 1: else is gonna be one. No, that doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1: Matt still be a four. And I'm like, literally, my
Speaker 1: brain is soup. My brain is the melting emoji. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, Queen, I don't know, oh what you said,
Speaker 1: and I don't know what it is? Are you singing
Speaker 1: in it? Not in this? No, it's I can't say.
Speaker 1: Just because the email, I was like, don't like, don't
Speaker 1: you dare tell me when you're on the show. I
Speaker 1: was like, okay, I think it was just like Netflix
Speaker 1: being like platform. Yeah, no, but I'm I'm dancing. When's
Speaker 1: the last time you did choreography? God, the last time
Speaker 1: I did choreography? For that um Apple show Roar Um
Speaker 1: did an episode and we did a dance in the
Speaker 1: street at the end, and I just like in in
Speaker 1: high school, I would have semi leads and musicals and
Speaker 1: always the dance teacher would be like, and then we
Speaker 1: know that you take an eight count back to the
Speaker 1: back of this wave and we have the dancers come
Speaker 1: and cover you because you are not a mover and
Speaker 1: step touch in the back. Yeah exactly. Oh No, that's okay,
Speaker 1: It's it's really, it's it's a whole. It's a whole.
Speaker 1: But do you have to do a lot for SNL?
Speaker 1: He learns like a little routine, a little routines. But
Speaker 1: it's that they'll bring in like a choreographer who will
Speaker 1: have to choreograph the easiest thing for everyone to do. Otherwise,
Speaker 1: y'all we all kind of get get getting angry. Um wait,
Speaker 1: what can I ask you about this new Damon lindelof
Speaker 1: show you're you're in. I think you guys are going
Speaker 1: to really love this show. I love Damon. You're talking
Speaker 1: to a lost girl. Oh um, yes, it's I also
Speaker 1: cannot say too much, but I am a nun and
Speaker 1: I am it's um, yeah, it's a I think that
Speaker 1: it might be a show that readers and their nonreader
Speaker 1: siblings could enjoy together. Maybe it's going to bring together
Speaker 1: and maybe parents. I can't tell who what sect of
Speaker 1: people were going to make upset that someone might get upset.
Speaker 1: Someone's going to get upset because you're a nun sort
Speaker 1: of up to no good. I'm not. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know. You can't say so chic to not
Speaker 1: be able to say, to be on a Damon Linda
Speaker 1: love show and not be able to say but We're
Speaker 1: not a dream that is the dream about about a
Speaker 1: David lindelof Project. I texted, and I'm sorry, god, I
Speaker 1: can't because he this is the nicest man. He texts
Speaker 1: me every week after a show after he goes what
Speaker 1: bow he goes bowing? That was amazing anyway, I texted,
Speaker 1: I take it upon myself to text him this week.
Speaker 1: I was like, I just finished Betty's book. You must
Speaker 1: read it if you haven't. Isn't she the best? And
Speaker 1: then he goes, I love her to death. It really
Speaker 1: sucks that she can write circles around me and still
Speaker 1: be a brilliant actress. Oh my god, I mean, it's
Speaker 1: like you are the best actor. And also like this
Speaker 1: is so good, like you were very busy to give home,
Speaker 1: to give hours long homework is not not even it
Speaker 1: was it was literally not homework because it genuinely, genuinely
Speaker 1: like enriched every I loved reading every page of it.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's so funny and it's so good. I
Speaker 1: just like, I mean, I can't say enough like. And
Speaker 1: it also like it must have been really fucking hard. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was, well, I don't know. I I wrote it
Speaker 1: right after Mary was born and I think I was
Speaker 1: still on just adrenaline literally from childbirth, and I wrote
Speaker 1: it pretty fast. It was I think writing it in
Speaker 1: quarantine was the only way that it could have. Like,
Speaker 1: I think I was just so self conscious about not
Speaker 1: being like I had such who cares that? Who cares?
Speaker 1: Shut up energy around writing in particular that um, it
Speaker 1: really felt like I wrote it when we when we
Speaker 1: the world is over, when we're no more like we
Speaker 1: were going to be inside forever. And so it's like
Speaker 1: one last shout to the wave of the tsunami before
Speaker 1: it crashes on all of us. Here's the book and
Speaker 1: the tsunami dissipated its like ah published, I just like
Speaker 1: as someone who like dreams of like doing this one day,
Speaker 1: Like I just I was so blown away and inspired
Speaker 1: by it because and I will say again, like the
Speaker 1: character of you is so well drawn, because you are
Speaker 1: on every page and your voice is so clear, and
Speaker 1: like you really you're you are such a narrator of
Speaker 1: life in this. But what really comes through for me
Speaker 1: are all the characters, like for example, the character of Max.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, that person that person that
Speaker 1: just like like really gets you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like those people you need along the way. They're so
Speaker 1: viv did um and so that would be like, I
Speaker 1: think the thing I walk away from this like really
Speaker 1: really feeling like I learned something about and like really
Speaker 1: inspired by was just the way in which I feel
Speaker 1: like even when you reference someone later on, like I
Speaker 1: feel like that they were my old friend or like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, yeah when that happened in our life,
Speaker 1: that was that was tough of it all. Don't bring
Speaker 1: the max of it all up to me, thank you.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. I have like twenty copies of the
Speaker 1: book that the publisher sent me to like quote give
Speaker 1: out to friends, and it's just sitting in my car
Speaker 1: because I'm like the thought of walking up to someone
Speaker 1: that I and I leave I'm filming in l A
Speaker 1: for the next two weeks, and then leave and I'm
Speaker 1: not bringing them. I'm like, I'm just gonna literally leave
Speaker 1: it on the side of the road, I think, and
Speaker 1: the heaven like a little surpassor whoever. I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't know what a beautiful plan and um maybe time
Speaker 1: bo it might be time. But very quickly, I want
Speaker 1: to mention one last thing in the book which I
Speaker 1: really stayed with me, which was, um, you talking about
Speaker 1: like going to a Spanish olive oil factory with your family,
Speaker 1: and like your dad so intently having to listen to
Speaker 1: this man like give a terrible tour about the place
Speaker 1: and he's and then your dad is like, it's like
Speaker 1: doing a matinee love, which is like this this person
Speaker 1: is like bearing their soul the great people. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: olive oil factory had been in his family for generations.
Speaker 1: And we were stopping off on this tour and you
Speaker 1: know all these fanti packed chicken nugget people that we
Speaker 1: were that we did not want to listen to a
Speaker 1: monologue about olive oil and the history of the olive
Speaker 1: And my dad was like, we have to listen to
Speaker 1: every syllable with our hands over our hearts, because we
Speaker 1: all know that feeling of like things that you have
Speaker 1: the audience in the palm of your hand and looking
Speaker 1: up and seeing looking at their cell phone or it's
Speaker 1: or or people are like I have to be. I
Speaker 1: had to I had to go. There's something about like
Speaker 1: humanity that is so like distilled in that idea to
Speaker 1: me that I'm like, I'm like, I was like, funk,
Speaker 1: this is this is crazy anyway, And I think that
Speaker 1: those that's what makes those connections actually important and meaningful
Speaker 1: and not just bullshit of like those fleeting moments like
Speaker 1: I see you, I see you, I see you, even
Speaker 1: if it's like only one part of you, it's the
Speaker 1: part that you thought that no one would see. So
Speaker 1: seeing someone you know wave to it like it's the
Speaker 1: most obvious part of you. It is. It is meaningful
Speaker 1: and more meaningful than Jada Pinkett Smith gliding by. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And also just like, oh my god, this is the
Speaker 1: end of the chapter where you read the letter that
Speaker 1: you had gotten from the kid that you did the
Speaker 1: play with. Just the end of that. I had to
Speaker 1: put that. I had to put it down and walk
Speaker 1: around after that because that's just like I don't know,
Speaker 1: everyone like like we can we cannot be you must
Speaker 1: read it. And actually one of the chapters inspired and
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey. Oh my god, Oh I'm excited.
Speaker 1: So this is why I don't think so honey. And
Speaker 1: start one minute segment that we do on Lost Culture
Speaker 1: which is a sort of an abbreviation for the podcast
Speaker 1: title Lost Cultures with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang, and
Speaker 1: we do sixty second rounds on things that we no
Speaker 1: no no, no no no. Um to quote Destiny's child
Speaker 1: about this is Matt Rodgers. I don't think so many
Speaker 1: as time starts now, I don't think so honey boarding school.
Speaker 1: Don't hid there because no, I don't like any element
Speaker 1: of it. And I will say this, I feel like
Speaker 1: I understand my boarding school friends a lot better now
Speaker 1: for having read this. To me. Feels like you just
Speaker 1: never get a moment of quiet and a loan to yourself,
Speaker 1: Like because you go to school with the people that
Speaker 1: that you, that inhabit rooms with, I understand me make
Speaker 1: close connections. But Mama, it's called boundaries. Honey boarding school
Speaker 1: being a place where boundaries thrive, it seems like you
Speaker 1: can never escape each other and yourself pause for a
Speaker 1: moment of importance. And it's so important that you get
Speaker 1: some space, and at a boarding school you get no space.
Speaker 1: Also not for nothing, but I need to see my
Speaker 1: mom like that would have been the part that really
Speaker 1: broke me and stuff. I don't think so honey boarding school,
Speaker 1: Gus Hicky, my friend, I feel like I understand you better.
Speaker 1: You went to the school. Oh my god, the school,
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Oh I knew this and I always knew.
Speaker 1: I always knew he had like that he went to
Speaker 1: boarding school, and then hearing about the school, I was like,
Speaker 1: I have to text my friend. I do think Gus
Speaker 1: was a day it in. Maybe what does that mean
Speaker 1: you only go for the day that? Or maybe no,
Speaker 1: maybe he was a border But I went to a
Speaker 1: house party at his house because you did. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I got very drunk. Got pulled over on the way
Speaker 1: there for going, um, what I thought was ninety miles
Speaker 1: an hour in the fast one. I was going forty
Speaker 1: two miles an hour in the fast wing. So and
Speaker 1: I pulled over on the left side for a For
Speaker 1: a lifelong stoner, you have like total recall. I was gonnay,
Speaker 1: there are big swats that are gone. Maybe it's that
Speaker 1: that's the part that got fried. Also, one of my
Speaker 1: favorite things that happens on Less Coltrisis is when Matt
Speaker 1: says something and then Bone just repeats it quietly. I
Speaker 1: realized that Matt has such a command of language and
Speaker 1: likely completely you do man right. It's the writer in you,
Speaker 1: like you know how it HiT's the ear. You always
Speaker 1: find the exact right sequence of syllables that it hits
Speaker 1: the ear in a way that is indelible, and that's
Speaker 1: why people repeat your ship all the time. That's that's
Speaker 1: that's exactly what it is. And you you hold the
Speaker 1: like the feeling of when you're swinging, and your stomach
Speaker 1: flips like you hold us there for so long You're like,
Speaker 1: how is this so sustainable that this sentence is still happening?
Speaker 1: I still feel butterflies in my stomach because I'm loving
Speaker 1: the sentence, and then the drop like how is it
Speaker 1: gonna land? Its okay, But here's the thing. I think,
Speaker 1: I thank you and I received that. I think I
Speaker 1: have a very colorful and dare I say, innovative way
Speaker 1: with words, but the words are not always right and
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. And this is the surgeon, this is well,
Speaker 1: this is bone coming in with either a statement of
Speaker 1: what was incorrect for comedic effect because it is so wrong,
Speaker 1: or he'll come in and say, actually it's this and
Speaker 1: move on and I love it. And then there are
Speaker 1: sometimes like sometimes I will listen back to old episodes
Speaker 1: and I'll be like, I mean the mean it to
Speaker 1: give it yeah as a as a homage, Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: I love bowing. I miss you. I've been missing that
Speaker 1: a lot. I've been so we've been separated. When are
Speaker 1: you guys going to get back together? Maybe holidays? New
Speaker 1: Year's that's too far away, so far away. We're thinking
Speaker 1: we actually we actually have sort of a loose um
Speaker 1: New Year's plan. It's gonna be a gag. We're thinking
Speaker 1: about doing Miami and then Orlando, Florida. Wow for the holidays,
Speaker 1: No Miami for New Year's and then post New Year's
Speaker 1: maybe we go up to Orlando and finally right this
Speaker 1: guardian to the coach starting that, He's like, great, isn't
Speaker 1: it frustrating that soon you're going to have a full
Speaker 1: blown child that you have to take. I know, I
Speaker 1: am excited it to show her the new Little Mermaid?
Speaker 1: Do you follow? Is it? They have the range? On Instagram?
Speaker 1: They have the range or the what is it? Um,
Speaker 1: let's here for the choice. Yes, yes, yes, they have
Speaker 1: the range and there's their you better sing they have
Speaker 1: the range and you better Things are too like the
Speaker 1: craziest and there are people who are singing on top
Speaker 1: of arials. Oh the clip of part of your world
Speaker 1: and harmonizing with it. I'm obsessed. Yeah, it's gonna give,
Speaker 1: it's gonna serve it's gonna eat, it's gonna slay. Okay,
Speaker 1: who I miss you? Um? Okay, Well, the creator of
Speaker 1: the show just texted me and said the dance is
Speaker 1: so fucking good. So my god. The Coreo YouTube's have
Speaker 1: made their rounds and apparently we're doing good work. Okay,
Speaker 1: just checking in. My favorite moment of the week, Bowen yangs.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. I don't think so honey.
Speaker 1: Gum like, I'm not supposed to swallow you, but then
Speaker 1: if I chew you, you run out of flavor? How's
Speaker 1: that work? What's that about? The gum technology has not progressed.
Speaker 1: There's been no change in gum technology in the last
Speaker 1: forty years. It's crazy. Ask anyone on the street what
Speaker 1: zilatol is. They'll not tell you because no one knows
Speaker 1: where it airs. What that is? Start advertising it on
Speaker 1: the gum and we were promised Willy Wonka levels of
Speaker 1: candy and gum innovation and we have not reached it.
Speaker 1: The most the biggest innovation in candy lately has been
Speaker 1: maybe nerds clusters. They basically took the nerds rope, they
Speaker 1: cut it up into little chunks. It's the most amazing
Speaker 1: blend of textures in your mouth. Talk about a mouth feel.
Speaker 1: But gum, you're not doing anything new. You have not
Speaker 1: changed or mixed up Angila. I need you to Epita,
Speaker 1: give us something new. And that's one minute. This this,
Speaker 1: I'm not dragging you, but this ideology is what's going
Speaker 1: to lead to AI taking over. You do realize that, right.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that. I'm not saying artificial AI is
Speaker 1: the technology. Not all technology reaches of ideology. I'm saying
Speaker 1: it is ideologically are there's no AI in targeting the
Speaker 1: chocolate bacter mom ideology. It's this idea that things must progress.
Speaker 1: Let's stay on the merry go around. It doesn't have
Speaker 1: to be a merry go around on a roller coaster.
Speaker 1: Sometimes things can just be gum. It can run out
Speaker 1: you're not supposed to all the time. You're gonna hurt
Speaker 1: your jaw. Gum is out, lollipops are in, lollipops are back,
Speaker 1: Oh my god. First of all, I think the umbrella
Speaker 1: could improve as well. Why are we the same eighteen
Speaker 1: forty model? Because I had this idea of like like
Speaker 1: city bikes, but for umbrellas like little chaos. Yes, when
Speaker 1: it's raining you go and then you return it. But
Speaker 1: the problem is the design of the umbrella sucks, and
Speaker 1: it would they would all break and you simply cannot
Speaker 1: be that it's going to come back in condition like
Speaker 1: better than you found it. I mean, like these umbrella.
Speaker 1: But I just I don't think this thing of gum
Speaker 1: that never runs out of flavor is a good idea.
Speaker 1: I think it's going to lead to dark things. I
Speaker 1: think I think T MJ will go through the roof.
Speaker 1: I think technology has come far enough will then make
Speaker 1: it will then at least make gum edible, like at
Speaker 1: least like I'm not supposed to swallow you um, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I can't swallow you want to swallow gum? It's called
Speaker 1: fucking starbursts. No, you never even thought about that, And
Speaker 1: that's why you said no one looked down So is
Speaker 1: because you hadn't even thought of starburst where you were like,
Speaker 1: why can't I swallow my gum? And pitched and pitched
Speaker 1: a fit. It's time to move on. It's a Sunday, Betty,
Speaker 1: Are you ready? I am? I I just I thought
Speaker 1: of it right before I realized I didn't have one.
Speaker 1: I hope you haven't done this. It doesn't matter. It
Speaker 1: doesn't matter because you, as you've proven with the book,
Speaker 1: all the women in my brain are going to give
Speaker 1: it your own classic spin. Oh man, okay, this is
Speaker 1: Betty Gilpin's I don't think so, honey. Her time starts now.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. The death of the standing ovation?
Speaker 1: Where did we go wrong? A standing ovation is meant
Speaker 1: for when you are so overwhelmed and you your your
Speaker 1: life has been changed by a performance that you leap
Speaker 1: to your feet because you can no longer sit physically,
Speaker 1: and the whole group does it together, and it's it's
Speaker 1: a once a year maximum or or once a decade.
Speaker 1: I'm so embarrassed and like I my throat clothes thinking
Speaker 1: about it, by these fifteen minute long standing ovations whatever?
Speaker 1: Like when when these movies are ending as everyone being
Speaker 1: like and now we have to fucking stand up for
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes? And who was very talented? All these people
Speaker 1: are very talented. We've we've hyperbolized ourselves into the sky.
Speaker 1: How are we supposed to think any compliment means anything anymore?
Speaker 1: It doesn't make sense. The guillotines are too sharp, the
Speaker 1: pedestals are too high. Let's meet in the middle with
Speaker 1: some truth. I don't think so, honey. The standing ovation,
Speaker 1: So you are arguing for muted responses. No, I mean
Speaker 1: we're talking about yeah, sorry, choose when, choose when to do?
Speaker 1: Like I remember my m my, my great uncle or
Speaker 1: something was like a Broadway producer and he was the
Speaker 1: first person who are one of the first people who
Speaker 1: helped move guys and doll balls to Broadway and talked
Speaker 1: about how when they first sang sit down your rock
Speaker 1: in the boat, like the whole audience was like they
Speaker 1: were going to rip their chairs out of the ground
Speaker 1: and lead to their feet, and they made him do
Speaker 1: it like four more times like in that performance and
Speaker 1: that and I know they did that with um You're
Speaker 1: Gonna Love Me Jennifer Holiday, Like the standing ovation was
Speaker 1: so raucous that they were like, we got to do
Speaker 1: this song again, Oh my god. And I just like
Speaker 1: we've just the concept of the standing ovation and the compliment.
Speaker 1: We just it's too much. How do we know? How
Speaker 1: do we know what's wrong and what's real? There were
Speaker 1: five when we saw a Funny Girl last week, and
Speaker 1: we did feel that they were earned, Like we definitely
Speaker 1: did leap up with everyone else, like you know what's
Speaker 1: cool would suck me up is like you're watching this
Speaker 1: movie that you're a part of whatever, Like are doing
Speaker 1: a show that you're a part of whatever. It gets
Speaker 1: a eight to nine minute Toronto International Film Festival or
Speaker 1: any of these film festival ask talking about the film festival.
Speaker 1: But but this is what I'm saying is it's like
Speaker 1: then you walk out and the reviews hit and people
Speaker 1: are like, we didn't like this exactly exactly, stood and
Speaker 1: clapped your hands wrong. Yes, yeah, yeah, And I feel
Speaker 1: like I have felt that change in the industry in
Speaker 1: terms of like while you're making something and then the
Speaker 1: immediate like the first people who see it like what
Speaker 1: we've done is we've changed film and yeah, and wait
Speaker 1: until you and so the hyper legal and then the
Speaker 1: first thing it hits is the Internet, which is the
Speaker 1: opposite of like you deserve to die. And then like
Speaker 1: a year later the truth emerges of like it's somewhere
Speaker 1: in the middle. It's like people don't even really get
Speaker 1: exactly or like you didn't change the form, and you
Speaker 1: didn't you don't deserve the death penalty. You made a
Speaker 1: thing that's part good and part bad. There, yeah, but
Speaker 1: you're your whole stating ovation thing. Um, thank you for
Speaker 1: putting for putting Crazy for You back on the map
Speaker 1: in your book. That is an excellent musical musical. You
Speaker 1: ever saw Crazy for You? Yes? With Jody Benson? Oh
Speaker 1: my god, yeah she wasnt Yes, And I cannot find
Speaker 1: the soundtrack is not on Spotify, not on iTunes, on
Speaker 1: neshing limids like what Disney's gone? Um No, her voice
Speaker 1: singing those gros one songs, unbelievable. There are two clips
Speaker 1: of it. But she is a talent, Like she's a talent.
Speaker 1: She really is fun. Wait, but did you this is
Speaker 1: a shot in the dark. But did you listen to
Speaker 1: her interview? Um, what that she did with Danny pelle
Speaker 1: Grenow and everything iconic? You really should know. I heard
Speaker 1: you talking about it. But I have I have to
Speaker 1: such a nice like he asked such good questions about
Speaker 1: just like being a singer capital s hard are who
Speaker 1: then goes in to do this acting piece as like
Speaker 1: a child's cartoon and then just like getting there and
Speaker 1: just I don't know the human voice everyone, I've always
Speaker 1: thought that part of your world should be done as
Speaker 1: a woman realizing she is a terrible quarter like you
Speaker 1: want you want seeing them abobs I've got. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: look at this. I'm crazy. I have to go the ocean.
Speaker 1: You think our compliments aren't real. No, no, my god, no,
Speaker 1: no, no no, no, no, when they're to me, I know
Speaker 1: that honestly, you know you know what. I haven't seen
Speaker 1: that that you just recently did that I'm really excited about,
Speaker 1: and I keep wanting to see it. But it is
Speaker 1: on stars, which is the only thing that was stopping
Speaker 1: because I don't have it. I want as starts. No one. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean there's so many. There's so many like platforms now,
Speaker 1: and I already feel like I already feel like I
Speaker 1: have everything, and then something comes out that I really
Speaker 1: want to see and I'm like, oh, I don't have
Speaker 1: that one, Like like, there's so many. Do you guys
Speaker 1: have peacock Peacock? Because I love housework? Oh right, okay,
Speaker 1: great great great is a beautiful place. But none, none, none,
Speaker 1: it's gonna love love. I love peacock. Peacock got so
Speaker 1: much of my actual because that's another thing. It's like
Speaker 1: you you you pay for all these streamers and then
Speaker 1: you actually sit like zoom out and think which one
Speaker 1: do I actually use like out there for me? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Am I TV plus though, or only when the Morning
Speaker 1: Show is out right right right right right? Yeah, by
Speaker 1: the way, I mean, I just can't wait for that.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you need to get on that. I do,
Speaker 1: I do, I know, I mean like, I mean like
Speaker 1: Betty needs to get a role on it. Oh, you
Speaker 1: need to it on that. Yeah, But you do know that.
Speaker 1: Every time I see a good show or see a
Speaker 1: good film, or like I'm thinking about even writing something,
Speaker 1: I'm always like, and how would Betty be in it?
Speaker 1: I literally I'm always like, Where's what's the part of
Speaker 1: the show that Betty could play? Like I do watch
Speaker 1: Morning Show and I'm like, where's Betty kept Betting in there?
Speaker 1: It's because you're number one. Do a show where you
Speaker 1: have a long ponytail, and you're dresses Aaron Brackwitch and
Speaker 1: you're wrapped in silks by the door with a ship,
Speaker 1: and so can I ask your questions? So with me
Speaker 1: with this long ponytail and your vision of us when
Speaker 1: I sort of stow up to the bank bowen and silks?
Speaker 1: Is he also like is he presenting female? I think
Speaker 1: I'm bald? No, no, no, I don't think I think
Speaker 1: it's sort of like you're you dressed in and you're
Speaker 1: dressed in purple to the sky. Yeah, okay, got it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Well you know, I I every time I see Kate
Speaker 1: Hudson in the project, that's who I am. So that's
Speaker 1: I guess when I'm stomping around going to the bank,
Speaker 1: I'm Kate Hudson, right right, right, Yeah. It's just on
Speaker 1: a vision board. You're the piccolo Aaron Rockovich and we've
Speaker 1: got bassoon, purple silks, just things that I'm adding to
Speaker 1: the boards. I'm going to use this just like for
Speaker 1: my own subconscious like you know, like sort of like
Speaker 1: as I'm working through something. Wow, amazing, thank you, Thank
Speaker 1: you guys. Well, well what else to say? I mean,
Speaker 1: this is it's it's such a great read, and like, honestly,
Speaker 1: if you want to just um be smiling at a
Speaker 1: book with full teeth, um pick up All the Women
Speaker 1: in My Brain, which is available now by our literal
Speaker 1: Um limitless guests. I mean, you're the best, and we're
Speaker 1: so happy that you came back. Thank you so much
Speaker 1: for having me. I love you guys so much. I
Speaker 1: really do love you. But we love you, love you.
Speaker 1: But I wish. I really wish we could have been
Speaker 1: in the same because I remember there was like a
Speaker 1: loose thing where maybe we were all going to be
Speaker 1: in l A and then that so didn't happen. I
Speaker 1: know we will join together, We will join together. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll be back in New York in December. Yes, we
Speaker 1: will all join together in New York. But until then, bowen,
Speaker 1: what do we do at the end of every episode?
Speaker 1: And this is this is a throwback to your last episode,
Speaker 1: I'm crossing. What did I change the key? No? I
Speaker 1: think I just my basement was too low into our
Speaker 1: basements are so much lower than they were three years ago,
Speaker 1: because of the years, because of the years. We didn't
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