1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: Look man, oh, I see you. Why oh and look 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:13,320 Speaker 1: over there? How is that culture? Yes? Goodness, let calling. 3 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:21,640 Speaker 1: I mean we offlined about excitement jitters um I have Well, 4 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 1: this is the thing. Do you remember when our guests 5 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: came on our podcast over three years ago? It is 6 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 1: wild for me to say, and I think it was 7 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 1: one of the highlights of us even doing this. I 8 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:39,279 Speaker 1: think it's one of the most like superior episodes of 9 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:41,519 Speaker 1: the show. And they went back and listened today and 10 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 1: it really is. It's wonderful. That's also a trip to 11 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 1: listen to our voices. Both you and I found completely different. 12 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 1: That's but that's that's that's that's not the that's not 13 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 1: the headline. But we're just I didn't know what it 14 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 1: is like it's they're lower and it's like, did we 15 00:00:56,760 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 1: just get older? But I know it's also just a 16 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:02,279 Speaker 1: little bit more years, you know what I mean. It's 17 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 1: getting getting older is different than the years, you know 18 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 1: what I mean. But it's true, our voices have absolutely sunk, 19 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 1: and I feel I have to retroactively apologize to you 20 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:14,479 Speaker 1: about something what happened. But I did listen to this 21 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 1: episode and preparation that episode, in preparation for this one, 22 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 1: and I got to a point where I got over this. 23 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 1: But you know, back in the day, I used to 24 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 1: just talk and talk and talk and talk, and I 25 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 1: feel like sometimes I would just absolutely talk over you. 26 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 1: I think I was so excited this day, but I 27 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 1: kept saying to myself, Matt, I know you're excited, but stop. 28 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 1: It's not one of my memories of the day. It 29 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:40,119 Speaker 1: really isn't. I remember our guest coming just touching us. 30 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 1: She got she got tactile. We all got tactile that day. 31 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 1: We all got tat that day. And I mean and 32 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 1: the fact that like it was no bullshit because she 33 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 1: was laying out this like organizing principle in her life, 34 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 1: which is maggots and magic, which is that there's this 35 00:01:56,720 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 1: thunderbelly in life and in the people you And then 36 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 1: you read the book. There's a book. You read the 37 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: book and you're like, oh wait, she's she's like she's 38 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 1: like committing it to the written word, and it's Matt, 39 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:14,919 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say something. God, I think this is maybe 40 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 1: it's recency bias. I don't know. I told our guests 41 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 1: the second I finished it, I clapped to no one 42 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 1: in a dressing room by myself. I clapped, and I 43 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 1: feel like it's the most life affirming, uplifting memoir I've 44 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 1: read maybe ever. It's it's it's so beautiful. It's understandable 45 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 1: readers when we say this is cannon, this is something 46 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:42,080 Speaker 1: you have to go read. Every time a chapter ended, 47 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:44,360 Speaker 1: I had to close the book and cry like three 48 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 1: single tears to myself, which is different than crying. Three 49 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 1: single tears is different than crying. It's actually a real 50 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 1: culture number three single tiers different than crying. And I'm 51 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:59,360 Speaker 1: telling you, like, I'm working right now and I'll just 52 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 1: be sitting like like and like just smiling and laughing 53 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 1: out loud at the book to myself. And people are like, 54 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 1: what is what are you reading? And I'm like I 55 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 1: showed them the cover and I'm like They're like, give 56 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:11,639 Speaker 1: me that after you're gone, and I'm like yes, And 57 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 1: now it's promised to two gays, which is fine for 58 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 1: me because I will go out and purchase the book. 59 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 1: All the women in my brain by our guest the 60 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 1: second I can, which you also must, it is capturing 61 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 1: what it's like to be alive period. I mean period. 62 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 1: This is the other imperative. The Conscian k n t 63 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 1: inheritive conscient conscient, He's it's this is me being annoying philosopher, 64 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 1: philosophy buff and in high school rock. This is what 65 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 1: you have to do. You have to download the audio 66 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 1: book as well, because just here period, Because to hear 67 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 1: it being read is crazy. That because what I did, Man, 68 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 1: I would read a chapter, I'd be like, damn, and 69 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 1: then I was like, I gotta hear how Betty's reading it. Double. 70 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 1: I got to hear the line reading, I got to 71 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 1: hear the chapter reading Martino, and then very much, so 72 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 1: very much show it was worth it, worthwhile. Here's here's 73 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:19,040 Speaker 1: something to say when the person is a performer, read 74 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:22,159 Speaker 1: the audio book, and it's ruleal culture number thirty when 75 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 1: persons performer book. I don't want to talk to anyone 76 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 1: who's simply just read Jennifer Lewis's memoirs. You must experience 77 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 1: and sit in them. This is no different. Though I 78 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:36,159 Speaker 1: haven't yet read the audio book. I mean listen to 79 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 1: the audiobook. But as we prove every episode of this thing, 80 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 1: you can read things that you listen to. So I 81 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 1: haven't yet grabbed the auto book. I made no mistake, 82 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 1: but wow, I am so excited she's here. Um, so 83 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:56,719 Speaker 1: much has happened. Spoke to her and let's just let's 84 00:04:56,720 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 1: do it. Okay, every one welcome zoom energy. Who I 85 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:13,799 Speaker 1: keep forgetting that I'm alone in my bedroom. I'm blushing 86 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:16,280 Speaker 1: as if we're all together. I'm trying that I got 87 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 1: tactile the last time. We're not sorry because apparently it 88 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 1: went well. But I believe that there were I remember 89 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 1: where we were sitting in there in that little room 90 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:27,280 Speaker 1: where we were recorded that podcast, and I believe there 91 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 1: was even moments of hand holding. I'm just saying like, 92 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 1: and I have to say, just like that was such 93 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:36,720 Speaker 1: a that made such an impact on us that day, 94 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:39,599 Speaker 1: like that conversation that we had, and then like with 95 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:42,840 Speaker 1: this book, it's just such a joy to be in 96 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 1: your world. Like it's really really just very singular and 97 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 1: so smart and so funny, but so thoughtful. And I 98 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 1: just want to comment you right off the bat by 99 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 1: saying something that really struck me is the care and 100 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 1: the love with which you write all the characters in 101 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: this even the ones that you clearly didn't have a 102 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:05,719 Speaker 1: great interaction with or like you drag a little bit, 103 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 1: you illustrate so beautiful hair. Literally but like you, you 104 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:18,359 Speaker 1: illustrate every person that has impacted you so beautifully. And 105 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:20,600 Speaker 1: I just wanted to tell you that so much. That 106 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 1: means so much, That means so much to me. Yeah, 107 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 1: it was. We did a book event in New York, 108 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:32,160 Speaker 1: um and one here in l A. And there were 109 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 1: I did the Drew Barrymore show that day, and my 110 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:40,160 Speaker 1: sweet publicist was like, I just need you to know 111 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:44,279 Speaker 1: that the event tonight for your reading. I was like, 112 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 1: I read an essay and then do a Q and 113 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 1: A afterwards. She was like, the event tonight, the seating 114 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: capacity is und forty people and we absolutely do have 115 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:58,479 Speaker 1: thirty two tickets. Like, but then a few more people 116 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 1: than that came, not a fort but uh. And it 117 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 1: felt like this moment um. It was like the end 118 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:07,279 Speaker 1: of It's a Wonderful Life where everyone comes into his 119 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 1: house to get Like I was sitting at this table 120 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 1: and every time I looked up from the book, it 121 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 1: was somebody else from the book that I haven't seen 122 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 1: in twenty years. And like Katie Cruity from a high 123 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 1: school you know, who drove in from long Like it 124 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 1: was just this this is your life moment. It was 125 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 1: really it was kind of spectacular. Yeah, but yeah, I 126 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 1: hope no one gets mad. People who would get mad, 127 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 1: I don't think we would read the book. I think 128 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 1: you mentioned that at one point, You're like, I'm gonna 129 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 1: like drag with care of this person. They won't read this. Yeah. 130 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 1: I feel like that's the memoir rule if you're writing. Yeah, 131 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 1: and I changed all the names and tried to be 132 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:54,559 Speaker 1: super I think I was really um. I wanted people 133 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: to be able to plug themselves into the book, even 134 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 1: if they didn't know or care who I was, or 135 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 1: honestly nowhere care about the entertainment industry at all. So 136 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 1: I felt nervous about using specifics because I also didn't 137 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 1: want to be I don't know. It's the weird uh 138 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 1: push and pull of my personality of being like which 139 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 1: I tried to talk about the book too, of like, 140 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 1: oh gosh, who am I to saying? But it's like, 141 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: I am an actress who has written a book about herself, 142 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 1: not a cowering introvert who's like, you know, fixing glaciers 143 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 1: melting like I, I absolutely am a narcissist, So my 144 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 1: therapist I shouldn't even use that word as a joke 145 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:40,719 Speaker 1: anymore because it's actually a very clinical thing. Wait, who 146 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:44,320 Speaker 1: said that? My therapist? Your therapist. Let's let this be 147 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:46,440 Speaker 1: a continuing arc on the on the show, which is 148 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:48,680 Speaker 1: me being obsessed with my own therapy. I did find 149 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 1: I had to I have let one go. So that's 150 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 1: a that's a positive step. Congratulations, I let one go. Um. 151 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 1: When I used to go to her on the Upper 152 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 1: east Side, the older ladies, tiny little studio, no windows open, 153 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 1: and uh she was it was like the fourth session, 154 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:09,440 Speaker 1: she was like, I'm gonna stop you. Are you allergic 155 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:13,200 Speaker 1: to smoke? I was like, am I allergic? No? She's like, okay, 156 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 1: keep going, Like I kept cradling on. She goes to 157 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:18,559 Speaker 1: her desk and lights a cigarette in the room with 158 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 1: the windows and smokes the whole thing like it was 159 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 1: nineteen fifty. It was pretty amazing. But that's like I 160 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 1: can't come back. Wow. Yeah, I refused to return to 161 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 1: nicotine office while I while I try to find my soul. Yeah, totally. 162 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 1: It's probably the person before I was like, I'm allergic 163 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 1: to smoke, like searching for some excuse. Also, I'm very 164 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:48,719 Speaker 1: curious about smoke allergy, like allergic to smoke. I think 165 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:57,320 Speaker 1: probably smoked. I don't like we're all irritated by it. Yeah. Care, 166 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 1: She's like, just smoke, love it, love her. Yeah. Okay, 167 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 1: how are you feeling in your post summer sort of 168 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:12,320 Speaker 1: like twilight into fall? Because I feel like you've had 169 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 1: a very intense six months no or like plus I'm 170 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 1: sure like a year or eighteen months, Like I could, 171 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 1: I could go on, I could increase the range. I 172 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:23,559 Speaker 1: feel like it's gonna want. I feel like I haven't 173 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:26,719 Speaker 1: really done a good job of checking in with that. No, 174 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 1: I know you guys do have the last three years span. 175 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:32,200 Speaker 1: It's crazy. I mean I was going to re listen 176 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 1: to our episode uh for this too, and then I've 177 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 1: got too nervous too, and so but now I feel 178 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 1: like I should have because I'll have no new thoughts 179 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 1: to share. But I do feel like when I came 180 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 1: on last time, I was at this point of UM 181 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:50,439 Speaker 1: being out of town a lot and hashtag missing my friends, 182 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:52,960 Speaker 1: and so I was obsessed with this podcast, just listening 183 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 1: to two best friends giggle with each other. And I 184 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 1: do feel like I'm there again in a different way 185 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 1: of like, you know, I had a baby during UM. 186 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 1: The pandemic got pregnant March, and uh had my daughter 187 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 1: Mary in November. And then like so obviously as we 188 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:16,839 Speaker 1: all were, I was removed from my friends and then 189 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 1: hyper so because of you know, she was an infant 190 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 1: and I was super freaked out. And then my only 191 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 1: really reintroduction to being in groups of wonderful people were 192 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 1: sets like going back to work. Um, which is great, 193 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 1: but it's this weird like Orwellian fake society where you 194 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 1: know you're it's it feels not real and not totally 195 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:45,320 Speaker 1: you know, it's just like a little corporate bubble of 196 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:50,479 Speaker 1: where COVID doesn't exist. Um, so I haven't been around. 197 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 1: I've just like now I'm getting back into like holding 198 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 1: the faces of my best friends and seeing them again 199 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:01,200 Speaker 1: up close. But I've like really become re obsessed with 200 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:03,679 Speaker 1: your podcast for that, you guys are like my my 201 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 1: friendship du lah of like simulating friendship quarantined await from people, 202 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 1: which I'm sure all the readers felt that way during 203 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:16,679 Speaker 1: the pandemic. For sure, we feel we feel a lot 204 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 1: closer to them, Like I don't know that was really 205 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 1: some people say like during during that pandemic, like that 206 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:26,960 Speaker 1: we filled a lot of space and like a quiet 207 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 1: for them, but also that was such a thing for 208 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 1: us too. It was like just still connected to doing 209 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 1: something and each other. Like I mean, I can't believe 210 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 1: a whole pandemic. I just a whole pandemic has gone 211 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:40,680 Speaker 1: on since we've last seen you. And it's funny that 212 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 1: we've very much had the energy last time we were 213 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 1: like this is the beginning that. But like another thing 214 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 1: that struck me, Like as you were talking about about 215 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 1: the book, and one of my favorite things that you 216 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 1: describe is that sort of transience of like working with 217 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 1: people and allowing them in and having that experience, that 218 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:04,320 Speaker 1: tribal thing of like we're working on a thing together, 219 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:06,840 Speaker 1: like and you get close and like actors are very 220 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 1: open people, and like you connect with people, and then 221 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 1: all of a sudden that job ends and you go away, 222 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 1: and like I really struck by, um, your story of 223 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:19,320 Speaker 1: connecting with the older actress you did the play with 224 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 1: and then ending and you're being like wow, outside of this, 225 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 1: like would we ever even look at each other? And 226 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 1: then you move on with your life. But so because 227 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 1: it's not the same as your real people, because they 228 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 1: contractually go right right, Yeah, Yeah, that's an essay where 229 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 1: I talk about the sort of um I call it 230 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 1: the thing, which is like when you work with someone, 231 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 1: the different kinds of connections that you can have that 232 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 1: in a creative environment you're sort of allowed to just 233 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 1: bypass these normal, uh small talk, we're getting to know 234 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 1: you steps, like you just skip too deeply knowing each other. 235 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:02,480 Speaker 1: And it's a little dangerous too in skipping something. Some 236 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 1: of those steps are there in place for a reason 237 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 1: of like protecting yourself or not getting into a connection 238 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:11,440 Speaker 1: where you're on different pages or there's a weird power 239 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 1: dynamic or um. And I try to talk about the 240 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 1: different types of one. But yes, there was one with 241 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 1: an older lady that I did a play with where 242 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 1: just because we shared a dressing room and the job 243 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 1: sort of told us we did display for five months together, 244 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 1: and the job kind of told us where and how 245 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 1: to be close and that we didn't really need to 246 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 1: do any of the legwork to water the relationship or whatever. 247 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 1: We just we're able to sort of see. But we 248 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 1: were kind of like um, weird demented twins in our brains, 249 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 1: and it was and then when it was over, we 250 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 1: had a yes, say goodbye, because but I think I 251 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 1: am bad at that. I really am. I am. I 252 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 1: do wonder if I kind of abuse the business sometimes 253 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 1: of like getting to hyper connect and then ghost. I'm 254 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 1: trying to get better at it. But it's yeah, but 255 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 1: you also like have this lasting example in your life 256 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 1: of that with Cosmo. It's like, that's how you guys met. Yeah, 257 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 1: I didn't know. I had no idea that's how you 258 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 1: need that on that project and then he just kind 259 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 1: of stuck around even though you guys sort of like 260 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 1: it seems like maybe in the back of your minds 261 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 1: were trying to really get rid of each other totally. Yes, really, yeah, 262 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 1: You're like, no, I'm gonna be my own person, but 263 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 1: I'm in love. I'm gonna have experiences, but I'm in love. Yes, yeah, 264 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 1: well I think we all deal with that. Like, Okay, 265 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 1: So there's only so much time in my life and 266 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 1: in the day and in you know, which do I 267 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 1: spend it becoming the most actualized version of my own independent, 268 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 1: liberated self, or work towards the career that I want, 269 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 1: or find a partner and put down roots. Like how 270 00:15:57,320 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 1: do I do these all three things in one lifetime? 271 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 1: And I think finding Cosmos so early I was like, well, 272 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 1: if this is the person, this is too early. Like 273 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 1: I agree. It's like, why don't want you to say 274 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 1: you agree? Yeah? Yeah, but yeah. We played a brother 275 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 1: and sister. He used to be an actor. We played 276 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 1: brother and sister in a movie. And there's a scene 277 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 1: where there is a scene where he uh tickles me. 278 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 1: And at the Syracuse Film Festival, you could feel the 279 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 1: audience be like, I think, yeah, I don't like this 280 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 1: movie anymore. Yeah, forget it. Well, whatever is that is? 281 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 1: That is? That? Is that streaming playing anywhere? No? No, 282 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 1: I really want to see the signal. I tried to 283 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 1: look it up. I was like, OK, what's first IMDb credit? 284 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 1: I was so sleuthy with this book and I made that. 285 00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 1: I don't know that it got me anywhere, but I 286 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:05,119 Speaker 1: did really get horned up when you describe the moment 287 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 1: you laid eyes on him, which was that you were 288 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 1: like someone who was so screaming my type, and then 289 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 1: the thought in your mind was oh no, I have 290 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:16,879 Speaker 1: to I have to have sex with this, And I 291 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:20,160 Speaker 1: was like, oh god. The feeling is a scary. It's 292 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 1: a scary feeling, especially when you're working with someone You're like, oh, shoot, totally. Yes, 293 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 1: conclusion just was it just a sexy feeling or was 294 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 1: it like a star shower was happening behind him, Like 295 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 1: can you tell it that just sex, that's just sex? Yes, totally, 296 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 1: And it was that for a while, and then all 297 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 1: of a sudden, I sort of and I think I 298 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 1: had because in talking about these connections that you make 299 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 1: with people, you really it's hard to separate, um how 300 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:54,679 Speaker 1: you're in love with their idea of you, and you know, 301 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 1: you realize like, I'm did I ask them a question? 302 00:17:57,359 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 1: And I am I actually curious about this person. I'm 303 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:02,400 Speaker 1: I just so addicted to this feeling of they think 304 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 1: I'm the music video version of myself. So I think 305 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:09,439 Speaker 1: it started there for me. I was like, oh, he 306 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:12,640 Speaker 1: thinks I'm the person that I wish I was. And 307 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:15,400 Speaker 1: then and we were having a really good time, and 308 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:20,919 Speaker 1: then I sort of got tricked into seeing who he 309 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 1: actually was, which I'm in love with this person. Falling 310 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 1: in love disabled your own narcissism of being addicted to 311 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:32,920 Speaker 1: the feeling of infatuation. Yeah, you tell a really like 312 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 1: I think that In the book, there's a moment that 313 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 1: sort of pinpoints when it went from oh, this is 314 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:41,199 Speaker 1: fun to Oh this might be real, and I just 315 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:45,160 Speaker 1: want to say, like how vividly New York the thing 316 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 1: of the hot pipe was. There's a story, so I 317 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 1: won't spoil anything, but there's something that happens between Betty 318 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:54,920 Speaker 1: and Cosmo early on in the relationship that involves an 319 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 1: exposed hot pipe in the bathroom, and that took me 320 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:00,440 Speaker 1: back to living in New York, like like in those 321 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 1: types of apartments, the amount of exposed hot boiling hot 322 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:10,440 Speaker 1: types is that legal? Where where are our government elected 323 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 1: officials on this? We have to get yeah, come on, yeah, 324 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 1: there was there was there was a line that you, um, well, 325 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:23,359 Speaker 1: first of all, the okay, Betty, you have like such 326 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 1: a comedians knack for joke structure, like the way right 327 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 1: is so it is so considered in that way where 328 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 1: you always end on the funny part you want like 329 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 1: you understand that structure so well, and um, but the 330 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:40,680 Speaker 1: perfect examples when you mentioned you and Cosmo, I think 331 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 1: attempting an open relationship, like there's a raft break, there's 332 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 1: a line break, and use that this this is the 333 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 1: equivalent of a blinkot and Mary Todd trying to figure 334 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 1: out sick. It's like I'm butchering in between the language. 335 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 1: But yeah, that's what straight people do in an open relationship, 336 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 1: is Yeah, I couldn't believe it that like a heterosexual 337 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 1: open relationship like that had that had to drive you nuts. 338 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:17,920 Speaker 1: I sometimes like, nowadays, remember how incredible it was, and 339 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:24,200 Speaker 1: cause it was like you were visible. I I mean, yes, yeah, 340 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:28,199 Speaker 1: New York was just too small and too you know 341 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:31,719 Speaker 1: heterosexual just put us down like we're we're trying to 342 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 1: keep up with the cool kids and we should just 343 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 1: be pushed out to see um. Yeah, but we tried. 344 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:39,920 Speaker 1: We tried it for a couple of years, which I'm 345 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:42,360 Speaker 1: glad we did. We I was I was very young 346 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:47,920 Speaker 1: when we yes, yeah, yeah, yes, And every time I'm like, yeah, 347 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 1: we've been together this long, I always want to be 348 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 1: like ending ding ding. If there's anyone in this room 349 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 1: who's concerned about that math for our history. We had 350 00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:59,880 Speaker 1: an open relationship for almost four years. Don't worry. We'd 351 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 1: fucking other people up and down in our twenties. Don't 352 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:07,360 Speaker 1: worry about us. But that struck me when you said 353 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 1: that New York is too small, because I was like, oh, 354 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:13,720 Speaker 1: I guess that's I guess that's that's true. For like, 355 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 1: that's true for you, Betty Gilpin, where you're like, I'm 356 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 1: not going to fuck any of these like bankers or whatever. 357 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 1: I don't I don't know what your standards were at 358 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:25,359 Speaker 1: the time, but I'm sure like you were dealing in 359 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:27,959 Speaker 1: a small circle. With a small circle, we were like, 360 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna like, I'm not interested in anyone who's 361 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:34,119 Speaker 1: not like who doesn't get me on a certain level. 362 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:37,120 Speaker 1: Does that make sense? Yeah, I guess so, or like 363 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 1: it just wasn't. It's like maybe that the rules were 364 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 1: just confusing to all the other straight men and women 365 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:49,679 Speaker 1: in New York, like everyone else had been on board. 366 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 1: It's like finding the people who are like, yeah, that's cool. 367 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 1: Um that that felt And also every time it just 368 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 1: felt like every I mean I write in the book 369 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:02,120 Speaker 1: about both of us being totally caught by the other 370 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:10,640 Speaker 1: person's friends and just being like, OK, don't tell that's 371 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:14,440 Speaker 1: the rules of it all. Or would always trip me 372 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:17,480 Speaker 1: up because I like we were talking about this last night. 373 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:19,680 Speaker 1: A bunch of people I was with were like, well, 374 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 1: I have a boyfriend that has to know everything before 375 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:25,680 Speaker 1: it happens, and I was like, see, that would drive 376 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:29,159 Speaker 1: me absolutely insane, as both people in the party. I 377 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:32,680 Speaker 1: can understand like two things completely don't ask, don't tell, 378 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:37,400 Speaker 1: and afterwards you have to say something happened. But what 379 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 1: people are comfortable with our say they're comfortable with is 380 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 1: so interesting because I'm like, you both feel this way, 381 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:46,920 Speaker 1: or who's making concessions here and dying someone right right 382 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:50,400 Speaker 1: right totally, And I think the way that I also 383 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:55,199 Speaker 1: try to think about like career stuff and um, you know, 384 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 1: in the book, I try to write about how you 385 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:03,680 Speaker 1: can confuse like the your own inner light coming out 386 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:08,120 Speaker 1: into a room with societal success, like actualization with societal success. 387 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 1: It can be very easy to confuse those two things 388 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 1: of like am I achieving my childhood dream? Or is 389 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 1: the internet clapping? Are two different things? Um, and I 390 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:23,880 Speaker 1: think like just along lines of fucking who you want 391 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 1: or whatever, it's like we're all just trying to have 392 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:31,120 Speaker 1: a clear conscience when we're wrinkly on the porch someday, 393 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 1: like I gave myself all the opportunities, like I tried, 394 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 1: or I I didn't stand in my own way. I 395 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:40,439 Speaker 1: think that's that's what I was most afraid of. With 396 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 1: all three of those categories, actualization, career, and romance. I 397 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:48,960 Speaker 1: just just like, oh, I'm I can't be it can't 398 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:54,880 Speaker 1: be my fault that I didn't try. Yeah. Yeah, well 399 00:23:54,920 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 1: there's there's there's there's like a beautifully short as say 400 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:04,439 Speaker 1: chapter what would you call them? Just the terminology of 401 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 1: it in installment, okay, stories, it's you taking cosmos to 402 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 1: meet your your family and Thanksgiving love. Yeah, and it 403 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 1: ends with I mean like it's it's this amazing story. 404 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 1: He hits it off with everybody. He like mixed shoes 405 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 1: out of like under sink garbage. It's crazy. I'm spoiling it. 406 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 1: I'm spoiling it. No, it's not. It's not the Da 407 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:34,359 Speaker 1: Vinci code. The plot points aren't at work. I don't. 408 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 1: I disagree. Okay, So I feel like we might have 409 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 1: even for for the reader, for the listener. Put the 410 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:49,920 Speaker 1: car before the horse, Betty. Do you want to first 411 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:51,160 Speaker 1: of all, do you want to just like talk about 412 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 1: what the book is like broad strokes like sure, Yeah, 413 00:24:55,000 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 1: I I wrote a book. It's kind of part um 414 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 1: personal essays about my life and then part I guess 415 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 1: attempting to be comedic social commentary about being a woman 416 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 1: and being in the entertainment industry. And I think I 417 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:21,200 Speaker 1: sort of realized that in a way I had kind 418 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:25,879 Speaker 1: of you know, I've always felt like my brain was 419 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:27,680 Speaker 1: a room full of women, or that I was sort 420 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 1: of cycled selves depending on who was in front of me, 421 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:32,440 Speaker 1: like the sidekick or the girlfriend or that this, And 422 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 1: I think that that's a very common feeling. And I 423 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:39,240 Speaker 1: realized that I had sort of literally com modified that 424 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:44,600 Speaker 1: feeling in being an actor and sort of literalized this 425 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 1: allegory in my life. And uh, I tried to write 426 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:53,160 Speaker 1: about all that and sort of um making an alpha 427 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 1: living out of all the beta characters I was playing 428 00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 1: in other people's lives And was that impact towering or 429 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:06,440 Speaker 1: was that not? Like, um, so yeah, that's and then 430 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 1: also I write about my dog, which was so beautiful. 431 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:14,920 Speaker 1: I mean, people, there's dog there's dog content in this 432 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,720 Speaker 1: which will take you for a trip to Saturn and 433 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 1: back emotionally. And thank god you really got it with 434 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 1: the dog stuff. Okay, thank you. Sorry, sorry to take 435 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 1: a little like detour on that, but I love it. 436 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:33,920 Speaker 1: I I feel like I I identified with that. I 437 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:37,880 Speaker 1: feel very seen by it with me. The I think 438 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 1: of them less as brain women or brain people as 439 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:43,159 Speaker 1: like sometimes in my mind I will see myself in 440 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:46,200 Speaker 1: an avatar that I'm not like oftentimes it'll be I'll 441 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 1: just watched a movie and I clearly will have connected 442 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 1: with a character because I see myself in life as 443 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,639 Speaker 1: that character. But I think that's what it is for 444 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 1: me for some reason, Like lately, i've really in my 445 00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 1: in my vision of myself, I have a very long 446 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 1: pone detail. I don't know what that means, but like 447 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 1: I don't know what that means, but I actually I've 448 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 1: heard a lot um but that I think speaks to 449 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 1: like your actual like upbringing being watching your parents do 450 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:20,119 Speaker 1: characters maybe and also like you know, being in environments 451 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 1: you spoke on the last episode that you were on 452 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 1: about like being raised in theater. I think I understand 453 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,400 Speaker 1: that as like it's it's a journey to find your 454 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 1: one person, but it's fun and it's like functional as 455 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,239 Speaker 1: you're growing up to see yourself as many different like 456 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 1: characters that can come in and like you know, spin 457 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 1: the plate for you when you actually don't know you 458 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,639 Speaker 1: know what I mean totally yes, And it's so funny 459 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,760 Speaker 1: that you say the long ponytail because I was thinking 460 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,880 Speaker 1: when you were talking in the intro about apologizing about 461 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,200 Speaker 1: talking over like I do. When I listened to your podcast, 462 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,359 Speaker 1: I really I think a lot about them. Did you 463 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:56,400 Speaker 1: guys listen to Peter and the Wolf when you were little? 464 00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:01,159 Speaker 1: Like the the it's is it like it's like a 465 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:07,399 Speaker 1: narration and yes, um, it's just the two instruments that 466 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 1: you guys are. It's it's like fun when you talk 467 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 1: over each I think about whenever you do a rule 468 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 1: of culture and it's never in Innison. It gives me 469 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:20,200 Speaker 1: so much joy because it's two different It's like piccolo 470 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:25,800 Speaker 1: and bassoon or whatever, and the long the long pony tail. 471 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 1: I always like I picture you guys sometimes as these 472 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 1: characters of like if it's it's it's not in Ellis Island, 473 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,280 Speaker 1: but it's like a city hall type place or a 474 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:40,480 Speaker 1: complaints where like you you have to stand you're like, um, 475 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,280 Speaker 1: you know, women on the brink standing in line for something, 476 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 1: and Matt is in like an Aaron Brockovich type outfit 477 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 1: and has cutting the line and platform shoes, shaking his 478 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 1: form and you know, has his finger in the face 479 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,720 Speaker 1: of the teller and you as the reader kind of 480 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,800 Speaker 1: next you listening, and it's incredible and it's a monologue 481 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:02,800 Speaker 1: and it's amazing piccolo work. And then you go to 482 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 1: leave and you look down at the door and you've 483 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 1: you've just been stabbed, and you look up and it's 484 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:15,560 Speaker 1: bowen wrapped in silks for like bassoon energy of like 485 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:21,240 Speaker 1: you know once and when comes in the Yeah, it's 486 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 1: it's just the most true check out And thank you 487 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:30,280 Speaker 1: for that. Yeah, it's why I always always picture this 488 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 1: is by lovingly illustrating the characters period period, this is 489 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 1: this is your knack for metaphor, like should the end 490 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 1: degree for us? Like you describing us in these ways 491 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 1: like that? Well, definitely my editor helped me pull the 492 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 1: metaphor back a little bit. She was like, some of 493 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 1: this doesn't make sense. It's like great, great, great, Gregor 494 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 1: tell me where like I talked, there's a part where 495 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:03,760 Speaker 1: I talk about um when the connections essay about like 496 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 1: having these connections with older men were my senior or 497 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:11,000 Speaker 1: and like, uh, I mean obviously my senior, but who 498 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 1: I admired and I thought it was just this platonic 499 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,640 Speaker 1: sort of all that exists is the art mind melding, 500 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 1: and actually found out they were just trying to sleep 501 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,640 Speaker 1: with me, as they were many other people and the metaphor. 502 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 1: I was like, it used to be like oh he 503 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 1: it wasn't just our text thread. He had many going 504 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:34,640 Speaker 1: at the same time, as if we were all so complicated, 505 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:38,320 Speaker 1: like sickly turtles in one cage and he dropped in 506 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 1: one life saving penestillan turtle vitamin and he only needed 507 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:44,960 Speaker 1: one of us to survive. My editor was like, you 508 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:54,160 Speaker 1: need to cut this. I like that, and you're saying 509 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 1: the acknowledgements like thank you for reminding me of this 510 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,200 Speaker 1: sentence does have to make sense because like you know, 511 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,520 Speaker 1: yeah didn't Yeah, I didn't have a lot of periods, 512 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 1: and they put them in. It was a sprinkling of punctuation. Okay, 513 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,360 Speaker 1: I'm I'm going all over the place with this fucking 514 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,920 Speaker 1: book because, like every it just hit me at these 515 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,360 Speaker 1: at such regular intervals. Okay, but this is what I'm 516 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 1: talking about with Thanksgiving. One, Um, you bring Cosmo home, 517 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:26,920 Speaker 1: it's going great. And then I'm gonna paraphrase and I'm 518 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,880 Speaker 1: gonna butcher it, so please correct me. But your dad 519 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:33,160 Speaker 1: just gets everyone to get close their eyes and imagine 520 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:38,760 Speaker 1: something that they have that they don't deserve. Yeah, and 521 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,360 Speaker 1: then you open your eyes and you see Cosmo looking 522 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:46,440 Speaker 1: at you back at you. I was like, holy shit, 523 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:51,120 Speaker 1: you can't write this stuff. You can't fictionalize this stuff. 524 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:56,280 Speaker 1: That is right, That is crazy so amazing. Yeah, it 525 00:31:56,400 --> 00:32:00,920 Speaker 1: was pretty incredible. I mean, you know, I do think uh, 526 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 1: like what we're I don't know if you guys feel 527 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:08,120 Speaker 1: this way. It's it is this amazing gift to be 528 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,160 Speaker 1: able to do what we do for a living. It 529 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:16,600 Speaker 1: is confusing to like have these uh you know, jumping 530 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:20,800 Speaker 1: from kind of group to group or society to society, 531 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 1: of like feeling like it's like a high or being 532 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,640 Speaker 1: a drug addict and building a life where it doesn't 533 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,960 Speaker 1: always feel like a high, but you're taking care of 534 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:34,680 Speaker 1: yourself and making deep connections with people that last I 535 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:40,840 Speaker 1: don't know, I learned so much, um really falling in 536 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 1: love with uh him, I don't know, and it was terrifying, 537 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:50,640 Speaker 1: continues to be terrifying. It's still completely terrifying having Oh 538 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,520 Speaker 1: my god, I mean because then all of a sudden, 539 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:57,120 Speaker 1: it's like, wow, a real thing that's outside of myself, 540 00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,920 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like I think that something 541 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,000 Speaker 1: some One of the things I love about this book 542 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:07,280 Speaker 1: is there is a tension between um, you know, I'm 543 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:11,120 Speaker 1: really growing to believe in myself and growing to be 544 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,680 Speaker 1: the type of person who can say I deserve this, 545 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:18,200 Speaker 1: I want this, I'm asking for this, I'm going for this. 546 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:22,000 Speaker 1: But also you know that tug of war that is, 547 00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:25,040 Speaker 1: but there's the you, there's the other you that needs 548 00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,040 Speaker 1: to be taken care of and like that wants to 549 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,360 Speaker 1: connect with someone and put roots down, but it's just like, 550 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,160 Speaker 1: but like, I only have one chance for this, and 551 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:35,600 Speaker 1: or it feels like that, and there's that tension between 552 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,440 Speaker 1: that person they tell you you want to be and 553 00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,560 Speaker 1: almost working up to that, and then you know those 554 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:43,640 Speaker 1: moments where you look over at someone at a dinner 555 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,320 Speaker 1: table and you know, in this moment you share that 556 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:50,000 Speaker 1: and like a soul connection that feels like almost not 557 00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:51,920 Speaker 1: tenable when you want to work, work, work, work, work, 558 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:56,080 Speaker 1: because you've been given the opportunity, you know, yeah, yes totally. 559 00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,440 Speaker 1: And I think do you guys feel this way that 560 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:08,080 Speaker 1: you know, being in this phase that we're in where uh, 561 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:13,840 Speaker 1: in your career you can okay, here comes a metaphor. 562 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:17,040 Speaker 1: I think about the part in Aladdin where he has 563 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:20,160 Speaker 1: to go in down into the cave of Wonder or 564 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:24,000 Speaker 1: whatever and not touch anything but the lamp. It's like 565 00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:29,440 Speaker 1: and I think when um, I was doing the theater 566 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:33,520 Speaker 1: for ten years to an audience of no one, you 567 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,920 Speaker 1: know or whatever, there was a lot of feeling invisible 568 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:40,279 Speaker 1: and feeling like, funk, this sucks. And now there's so 569 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:43,160 Speaker 1: much more opportunity to like reader and holding my iPhone, 570 00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:46,680 Speaker 1: like participate in the parade of your like in the 571 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:50,799 Speaker 1: validation or the there's just more opportunity to like sit 572 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,960 Speaker 1: and have a little more candy or like have your 573 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,759 Speaker 1: brain be a little more eaten by the reception of 574 00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:00,640 Speaker 1: your existence in the world. And I I just I'm 575 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:05,239 Speaker 1: so nervous about that and superstitious of like this part 576 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:07,440 Speaker 1: is gonna end, and the things that are going to 577 00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,280 Speaker 1: last are the things like looking up and seeing Cosmo 578 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,520 Speaker 1: looking back at me. Those things you know, it's possible 579 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:18,359 Speaker 1: to like fuck up. I don't know, Like it's all 580 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,719 Speaker 1: out of the lamp. I'm like, we just gotta like 581 00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:27,200 Speaker 1: totally celebrate ourselves and root for ourselves. But you gotta 582 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:31,400 Speaker 1: not stay too long at the at your own parade, 583 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:35,000 Speaker 1: because your brain is going to be eaten. Like like 584 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:36,359 Speaker 1: when I do a talk show, I'm like, you can 585 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:40,960 Speaker 1: watch it once one time like or I know you 586 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,640 Speaker 1: were talking about the Emmy's bone and feeling kind of 587 00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:48,400 Speaker 1: gross post it just it's it's also not I don't know, 588 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:53,080 Speaker 1: I'm all over the place with topics like a it's 589 00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:57,279 Speaker 1: not a healthy it's it's super strange. Yeah, yeah, And 590 00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,520 Speaker 1: you know what to what I try to remind myself 591 00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:04,120 Speaker 1: is that you are the only person watching it this closely, 592 00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:06,400 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like that whenever, like whenever 593 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,279 Speaker 1: I feel like there was a moment in something that 594 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,239 Speaker 1: I didn't get right or like especially like now that 595 00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,520 Speaker 1: And I will say I did identify with this book 596 00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:16,440 Speaker 1: probably a lot more than I would have a few 597 00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:18,760 Speaker 1: years ago. And also in re listening to our episode 598 00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:20,719 Speaker 1: a few years ago, I actually like it was like 599 00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:24,120 Speaker 1: listening to it with new ears because I've been through 600 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,120 Speaker 1: a little bit more. I think Bowen has as well. 601 00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,120 Speaker 1: I think our just careers progressed a little bit more 602 00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,040 Speaker 1: so now I understand when you say things like when 603 00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,160 Speaker 1: you were talking about like the publicity of it all 604 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,120 Speaker 1: and the taking of pictures and the showing up to 605 00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:38,520 Speaker 1: events and that part of it. You do like when 606 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:42,080 Speaker 1: you get it, it's it's like demystifying in a way. 607 00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,640 Speaker 1: That could be demoralizing, but that is also kind of 608 00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,880 Speaker 1: freeing because it's just it does make you realize, like, 609 00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:52,399 Speaker 1: you know, me, like slaying every second of this talk 610 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,200 Speaker 1: show appearance, or like looking good in this picture or 611 00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:58,840 Speaker 1: being invited to this event is actually silly, you know 612 00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,560 Speaker 1: what I mean. It's still think about. It could be fun. 613 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,279 Speaker 1: I have fun doing all of it, but when you 614 00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:08,320 Speaker 1: see the smoke and mirrors, they are so that Yeah, 615 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:13,360 Speaker 1: that's what I was getting from. Yeah, And not only 616 00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,520 Speaker 1: are there things silly, but they're deceptive. And I'm gonna 617 00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:20,040 Speaker 1: extend the thing of what Betty you talk about with 618 00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:23,719 Speaker 1: like the thing and like like everything being set up 619 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:25,840 Speaker 1: so that like the work is done for you to 620 00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:32,719 Speaker 1: achieve that connection. Um like like I'll just say like 621 00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,799 Speaker 1: for stuff that I've done, and like you know, there's 622 00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:37,839 Speaker 1: there there are only so many products that I've done 623 00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:41,319 Speaker 1: so far, so people can like use deductive reasoning. But 624 00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:43,080 Speaker 1: it's like I had like a showman's and I was 625 00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:46,319 Speaker 1: like I really bought it. For a second. We were 626 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,759 Speaker 1: making each other playlists, we were really like talking as 627 00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,840 Speaker 1: if we were like mat and I was like, wait 628 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,480 Speaker 1: a minute, I have to back it up. But I'm saying, 629 00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:57,919 Speaker 1: like all all of these other little things as part 630 00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,600 Speaker 1: of like if you get lucky enough to work somewhat 631 00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:08,319 Speaker 1: consistently at a certain exposure or like brightness, like these 632 00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,360 Speaker 1: things like the work gets done for you in a 633 00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:13,120 Speaker 1: way like like someone picks out your your dress or 634 00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,960 Speaker 1: your suit. Someone picks out like the things like the 635 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:20,440 Speaker 1: talk shows you go to things, things are like done 636 00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:22,399 Speaker 1: for you in such a way. Maybe this is what 637 00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:24,319 Speaker 1: is this where you're getting? Is this what you're talking about? 638 00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:26,239 Speaker 1: It's like this is gonna end, like the work will 639 00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,520 Speaker 1: not always be done for me, and so therefore I 640 00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:30,839 Speaker 1: have to do my own legwork in terms of like 641 00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:35,960 Speaker 1: making sure my partner is okay, my child is okay. Yeah, yeah, 642 00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:39,680 Speaker 1: And it's it's just easy to like things that they 643 00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,520 Speaker 1: feel like they are registering as a ten in the 644 00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:46,200 Speaker 1: same way. Are are different, Like you know, maybe the 645 00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:50,239 Speaker 1: Showmance wasn't you know, lasting, but I do think, like, 646 00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,480 Speaker 1: I mean, how did you guys meet? You know, it's 647 00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:57,200 Speaker 1: this is very lasting? You know it's there. It's it's 648 00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:01,560 Speaker 1: almost like this I feel it about having a daughter, 649 00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:06,280 Speaker 1: where I uh, it's like this contract with the devil 650 00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,840 Speaker 1: I signed of like you've been living on a and 651 00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:12,640 Speaker 1: I feel being an actor too. It's like even living 652 00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:15,200 Speaker 1: on a scale of you thought you were living one 653 00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:18,879 Speaker 1: to ten, you're you've been living four to six. You're 654 00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:24,319 Speaker 1: about to feel what tens and ones are. And I 655 00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,000 Speaker 1: like signed, I was like, okay, I want the tens 656 00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:31,480 Speaker 1: and the ones are in unbelievable and it, you know, 657 00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:35,200 Speaker 1: it makes me feel that way about the world. To 658 00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:41,000 Speaker 1: having her, I'm like simultaneously like doom, scrolling about how 659 00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:44,879 Speaker 1: much time we have left on earth literally and being like, 660 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,279 Speaker 1: I mean, is there God? I didn't think there was, 661 00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:51,200 Speaker 1: Like maybe God exist, Like I have so much hope 662 00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:54,040 Speaker 1: and so much fear at the same time, And I 663 00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:56,879 Speaker 1: think that way, you know, being an actor too, it's like, 664 00:39:57,640 --> 00:39:59,719 Speaker 1: you know, I have a friend who works a cubicle 665 00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:02,600 Speaker 1: job and he's like, I hate lunch in my car 666 00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:05,759 Speaker 1: because I hate my coworkers. It's fine, like you're not 667 00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:08,279 Speaker 1: sobbing with the people that you You're not holding your 668 00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,279 Speaker 1: hands and talking about your childhoods and making playlists like 669 00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:13,080 Speaker 1: you know, I'm not that you have to be an 670 00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:15,319 Speaker 1: actor to have deep connections with people, but I think 671 00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:20,520 Speaker 1: it is, like it's wild how fast it happens. Yes, yeah, 672 00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:23,279 Speaker 1: but this deal that you make, like I'm gonna I'm 673 00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:28,400 Speaker 1: gonna like play on the edge of um the safety 674 00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:32,200 Speaker 1: of my ego and health and whatever in making all 675 00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:35,080 Speaker 1: these connections along the way and like a little parade 676 00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:38,400 Speaker 1: for myself. But I'm it's like a risk every time. 677 00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,959 Speaker 1: I know. What's what's so funny is like I feel 678 00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:43,920 Speaker 1: it happening even now I'm working a job right now, 679 00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:45,799 Speaker 1: and I just so happened have fallen in love with 680 00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,480 Speaker 1: a couple of people like up here, like I genuinely 681 00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:51,680 Speaker 1: love and adore them. It's literally just a thing of 682 00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,440 Speaker 1: like I don't know, I feel like now that I've 683 00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,320 Speaker 1: done a few projects where like I too have gotten 684 00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:00,120 Speaker 1: really emotionally wrapped up in a few people, like I 685 00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:03,719 Speaker 1: do try to set a boundary now because you know 686 00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:08,319 Speaker 1: that like it's true that you'll be talking about like oh, 687 00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,040 Speaker 1: when did you lose your virginity? When was your first kiss? 688 00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,040 Speaker 1: When was your this? When was your that? Like in 689 00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:17,120 Speaker 1: a way that like yeah, is unique not knowing like 690 00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:21,120 Speaker 1: what their apartment looks like, where they're from, or what's 691 00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:24,640 Speaker 1: the middle name. Like there's just this bypass that yes, yeah, yeah, 692 00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:28,680 Speaker 1: it's the best and it's sucking. Its dangerous. Yeah, I 693 00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:31,799 Speaker 1: mean it'll break your heart. It has you know, like it. 694 00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,959 Speaker 1: I mean like it's and then it's weird like too, 695 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,520 Speaker 1: because it's like you do something with someone and in 696 00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:39,520 Speaker 1: the case of if it's on a platform where they're 697 00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,960 Speaker 1: actually gonna put work into people seeing it, you then 698 00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,160 Speaker 1: get back together with them to promote it, and you're 699 00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:48,160 Speaker 1: this weird other version of yourself that's not in a 700 00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:52,000 Speaker 1: makeup trailer talking ship with HMU. It's someone who's in 701 00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:55,160 Speaker 1: like head to toe Todd Snyder and like has someone 702 00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:57,800 Speaker 1: named Jessica doing their makeup, and like then you're talking 703 00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,359 Speaker 1: to them getting ready to do this thing, and it's 704 00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:05,719 Speaker 1: like it's like you worked together as kids in a treehouse, Like, 705 00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,080 Speaker 1: oh my god. And then if on this part I 706 00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:09,680 Speaker 1: fall and you hit is it stupid? If we do 707 00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:10,920 Speaker 1: one where you hit me in the face with it, 708 00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:12,759 Speaker 1: and like see like, oh my god, you were the 709 00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:14,239 Speaker 1: same kind of kid I was. And then when you 710 00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:16,759 Speaker 1: see each other for press or whatever, you're no longer 711 00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,600 Speaker 1: sit in the treehouse. You're like sold out adult and 712 00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:22,759 Speaker 1: seeing them like that and you like that it's like, oh, 713 00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:26,160 Speaker 1: now we're on a panel in silks and this. I 714 00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:27,840 Speaker 1: don't want you to see me like this or me 715 00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:33,040 Speaker 1: It's it's like it's like they knew the five thirty 716 00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:38,000 Speaker 1: am makeup trailer you and now they're seeing the seven 717 00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:42,840 Speaker 1: pm cocktail party for the thing you right, like, well, 718 00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:49,319 Speaker 1: but what about that thing were you know? Yeah? Yeah, 719 00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:51,480 Speaker 1: and you're not like allies in the same thing anymore. 720 00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:54,920 Speaker 1: It's like back out to the wolves, Yeah, very much, 721 00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,919 Speaker 1: the wolves. It's heartbreaking to even talk about to even 722 00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:01,360 Speaker 1: hear you guys describe a bit, well, you get to 723 00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:03,000 Speaker 1: I don't know that is I guess the cool things 724 00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:06,040 Speaker 1: like you genuinely. I always do this thing where I 725 00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:09,560 Speaker 1: say genuinely instead of generally, and I'm working on it, 726 00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:13,839 Speaker 1: but genuinely and generally go back each and every year 727 00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:19,440 Speaker 1: to like which is I think so cool and honestly, Betty. 728 00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:22,239 Speaker 1: Another thing I'm thinking of is like the fact that 729 00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:24,239 Speaker 1: there was a season four of Glow that was going 730 00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:26,440 Speaker 1: to happen in the community of actors that I know 731 00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:28,240 Speaker 1: you love so much, and then all of a sudden 732 00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:30,480 Speaker 1: they just say, never mind stop and also we're not 733 00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:32,840 Speaker 1: going back like that didn't get to have like a 734 00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:36,400 Speaker 1: an ending, you know, like yeah, yeah, and there are 735 00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:42,719 Speaker 1: two episodes that exists, like we shot two Yeah, so crazy, No, 736 00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:47,319 Speaker 1: I know it was. It was painful, so strange. I 737 00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:50,000 Speaker 1: watched a few episodes of it again today just because 738 00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:52,359 Speaker 1: I in listening to the episode, I remembered how much 739 00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:54,839 Speaker 1: I loved it. And I did watch season two episode before, 740 00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:59,360 Speaker 1: which is My Girl's Showcase, and I just loved it. 741 00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:01,759 Speaker 1: What a great show. What a shame we didn't get 742 00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,440 Speaker 1: to see more. What a shame. Oh, you want to 743 00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:06,400 Speaker 1: know what you've seen? I went back and watched Matt 744 00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:10,920 Speaker 1: was when Alison Body's character comes back from like just 745 00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:15,359 Speaker 1: the rapey hotel room with the work exactly, and then 746 00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:18,080 Speaker 1: Debbie and then and then Betty's character is like there's 747 00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:20,000 Speaker 1: there's a line reading and this is what this is, 748 00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:22,759 Speaker 1: and and hearing and seeing Betty describe herself as making 749 00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,279 Speaker 1: too many faces and like that being like a bad thing, 750 00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:30,239 Speaker 1: and like you there's a line reading where um, Alison goes, 751 00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:33,160 Speaker 1: so I went to his head? So like she was like, 752 00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:35,919 Speaker 1: so yeah, he made a pass at me. And then 753 00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:40,080 Speaker 1: Betty does a line reading of it's three words, three words, Okay, 754 00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:45,399 Speaker 1: there's like ten faces where she goes, what did you do? Like, 755 00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:49,000 Speaker 1: it's just the worst. What did you do? And then 756 00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:52,520 Speaker 1: Alison goes, I left, and then Betty goes, Debbie goes, 757 00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:57,280 Speaker 1: you left, Like it's just it's it's these, it's these, 758 00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:01,640 Speaker 1: it's these crazy, not crazy, it's just these like amazingly 759 00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,120 Speaker 1: dense and it's it's in the writing, it's in the 760 00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:07,760 Speaker 1: fucking book. It's like it's so dense, Betty, Like everything 761 00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:11,720 Speaker 1: you give out is just so such a rich cake. 762 00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:18,080 Speaker 1: I mean, you're so good, You're such like a monster. 763 00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:29,520 Speaker 1: You're such an enormous well of talent. I want to 764 00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:33,480 Speaker 1: tell you, so we haven't seen you since then, I believe, I, like, 765 00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:36,759 Speaker 1: you know, reached out and was emphatic, but like I 766 00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,800 Speaker 1: never watched movies like The Hunt because I really can't 767 00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:44,880 Speaker 1: like it. But when I tell you, I gripped the 768 00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,719 Speaker 1: sides of my sofa and like the parts that I 769 00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:49,920 Speaker 1: could handle. I sat on the sofa and watched, and 770 00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:52,200 Speaker 1: then I ran to the back. Jared will tell you 771 00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:54,360 Speaker 1: I ran to the back of the living room and watched, 772 00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:56,560 Speaker 1: like peeking up from the kitchen. But I did watch 773 00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:58,759 Speaker 1: the whole thing. But I was literally on my feet 774 00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:03,120 Speaker 1: running around screaming. Scared me so much. But you eight 775 00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:10,319 Speaker 1: the Hunt. Oh my god, you were so brilliant, and 776 00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:12,840 Speaker 1: all the readers like, if you haven't watched The Hunt, 777 00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:18,400 Speaker 1: you can you can like get it. I think ye Netflix, 778 00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:22,480 Speaker 1: I think so. I think wonderful video free with ads 779 00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:29,960 Speaker 1: if you want, if you want that. But your chapter 780 00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:33,200 Speaker 1: about the hunt is also incredible. I mean, like I 781 00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:35,960 Speaker 1: didn't know all that was going on, but yeah, what 782 00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:40,880 Speaker 1: just checking in now, like the hunt of it all, 783 00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:45,280 Speaker 1: like being at the center of that, and then also 784 00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:48,920 Speaker 1: feeling like it just was something that that then passed 785 00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,520 Speaker 1: like that had to feel so surreal. It's I'm sure 786 00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:54,720 Speaker 1: you guys have had your versions of it. I like, okay, 787 00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:58,600 Speaker 1: basically the cliffs Notes version is I was doing, um, 788 00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:01,160 Speaker 1: a dog's purpose to in Winnipeg, you know, as we 789 00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:08,880 Speaker 1: all know, no needs on your shoulder. Yeah yeah, I 790 00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,480 Speaker 1: got that so dark, um and being like okay, this 791 00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:16,200 Speaker 1: is this is which whatever, No, no disrespect to that 792 00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:18,760 Speaker 1: that art forum. But I was like, you know, maybe 793 00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:21,600 Speaker 1: I'm now and I was playing the mom of a 794 00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:24,800 Speaker 1: she was twenty five years old and I was thirty 795 00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:30,880 Speaker 1: two in The Dog Movie, where I was a drunk 796 00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:34,759 Speaker 1: mom screaming at eagles. Um, I can't believe and I've 797 00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:38,040 Speaker 1: made this hail Mary audition tape for the lead in 798 00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:40,239 Speaker 1: this movie, and they were like, oh, you know the 799 00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:42,480 Speaker 1: reason that we want an unknown. I love when they 800 00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:47,080 Speaker 1: say an unknown to your face, like you're a mentor 801 00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:52,000 Speaker 1: or something. Yeah. Um, because everybody dies at the beginning. 802 00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:54,719 Speaker 1: We'll just put famous people in those roles and then 803 00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:58,920 Speaker 1: you'll be like the secret surprise lead. Um. And I 804 00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,920 Speaker 1: thought really hard for the job, got the job. Glow 805 00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:03,920 Speaker 1: wasn't going to let me out, and so I spent 806 00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:07,720 Speaker 1: months writing letters to fight for keeping the job, and 807 00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:12,920 Speaker 1: then uh whatever, and then did the job, loved the job, 808 00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:17,839 Speaker 1: and then it was misrepresented on the internet. I would say, 809 00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:21,440 Speaker 1: like the trailer made it seem like it wasn't a 810 00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:25,719 Speaker 1: satire whatever. The dude who was the president at one 811 00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:32,479 Speaker 1: time tweeted about it, and I got thousands of death 812 00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:36,040 Speaker 1: threats and Fox News got my cell phone number and 813 00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:40,360 Speaker 1: my address and it was like this weird thing of 814 00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:42,960 Speaker 1: and then Universal pulled the movie and canceled it, and 815 00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:46,520 Speaker 1: it was this uh and it was like my favorite 816 00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:49,279 Speaker 1: thing I'd ever done, just sort of stupidly creatively. I 817 00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:51,560 Speaker 1: was like, but my opus is locked in there, like 818 00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:55,120 Speaker 1: and it was sort of learning the lesson of does 819 00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:58,160 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter if the if the world class like 820 00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:01,000 Speaker 1: if the world sees it happened, like if happened, it happened, 821 00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:05,960 Speaker 1: and um, and then you know it came out eventually 822 00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:09,239 Speaker 1: and no one remembered it at all. That it's it's 823 00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:12,000 Speaker 1: so crazy when the Internet ships itself over you in 824 00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:14,719 Speaker 1: a negative way and then just the tides of the 825 00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:20,120 Speaker 1: Internet washed away and the person remembering it is you, yeah, 826 00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:21,560 Speaker 1: oh yeah, you have a line in the book here 827 00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:24,840 Speaker 1: like um, so it's I forget what the first half is. 828 00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:27,440 Speaker 1: But it's like, you know, controversy, Like with controversy, the 829 00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:32,799 Speaker 1: Internet goes crazy with redemption. It's like redemptions silent, redemptionous quient. Yes, 830 00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:35,560 Speaker 1: I was like, damn that that is That is sort 831 00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:39,120 Speaker 1: of the that is sort of like the dynamic profile 832 00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:41,920 Speaker 1: of that kind of thing where it's like there's no 833 00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:46,560 Speaker 1: release or maybe the release is like the the sort 834 00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:49,680 Speaker 1: of blowout anger of it all, like the collective like 835 00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:55,160 Speaker 1: the outrage and then like there's no there's no balancing 836 00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:58,359 Speaker 1: of that ledger like in people's minds, which is kind 837 00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:02,000 Speaker 1: of awful, but it I mean it came and watch 838 00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:06,680 Speaker 1: their team. I remember I remember what it was. It 839 00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:10,280 Speaker 1: was like my first lockdown, sit down watch. I remember, 840 00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:12,120 Speaker 1: like I watched Gray Gardens at the original I was like, 841 00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:13,960 Speaker 1: let me just get a feel for like what being 842 00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:19,120 Speaker 1: in the house is like. Um, and then and then 843 00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:22,360 Speaker 1: I remember watching The Hunt and I will never ever, ever, ever, 844 00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:27,680 Speaker 1: ever forget ever forget before you shoot Amy Madigan in 845 00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:32,920 Speaker 1: the face cigarettes in Arkansas like cost six books, you 846 00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:40,200 Speaker 1: fucked up, bitch, and then you kill can Just like 847 00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:42,720 Speaker 1: when you're doing a movie like that that is so gory, 848 00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:44,960 Speaker 1: like how much of that is practical? And are you 849 00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:47,600 Speaker 1: freaking out like like like or did you start of 850 00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:49,480 Speaker 1: like because you were in the zone like you you 851 00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:52,960 Speaker 1: went away because that is a That was a really 852 00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:56,839 Speaker 1: wild movie. Yeah, yeah, it was wild. It was not 853 00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:00,400 Speaker 1: a lot of practical blood at all. Okay, the I 854 00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:05,360 Speaker 1: mean the fight stuff was weirdly, glow felt more like 855 00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:09,919 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, your body, it's like, hey, 856 00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:12,400 Speaker 1: what do we do for a living? That was crazy 857 00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:17,120 Speaker 1: more just I mean I trained a lot for The Hunt, 858 00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:19,719 Speaker 1: but glow was it just felt like you were in 859 00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:23,040 Speaker 1: a car accident over and over and over and over again. Um, 860 00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:26,759 Speaker 1: and you realize that stunt people like even though they're 861 00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:29,640 Speaker 1: they're like Olympians or whatever. But their job is to 862 00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:33,239 Speaker 1: hurt themselves. It's not like you find a way to 863 00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:37,440 Speaker 1: secretly not hurt yourself. It hurts so much and it 864 00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:41,040 Speaker 1: gets harder and harder every passing year. Yeah, because you 865 00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:43,080 Speaker 1: just have to keep doing it. Like that's never not 866 00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:46,399 Speaker 1: going to be a part of the show glow. Yes, right, yeah, 867 00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:49,040 Speaker 1: But I will say there is a scene at the 868 00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:51,760 Speaker 1: end of The Hunt which is like it rivals Beyonce 869 00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:57,400 Speaker 1: and Ali Larder as the greatest greatest face off in 870 00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:01,320 Speaker 1: the history of believe. I mean, Hillary Swank and Betty 871 00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:08,040 Speaker 1: Gilpin absolutely kill each other. Yeah, it's so good and 872 00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:11,560 Speaker 1: you never have to do that again. For me, Matt, 873 00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:15,080 Speaker 1: to watch a movie that you don't enjoy like or 874 00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:17,920 Speaker 1: the genre, you get you get scared, and then do 875 00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:21,960 Speaker 1: you keep getting scared, like thinking about it, like, well, 876 00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:25,440 Speaker 1: I'm just very sensitive to like shocking violence. But the 877 00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:28,480 Speaker 1: thing is about The Hunt is it so gets you 878 00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:31,760 Speaker 1: ready for that tone literal seconds into the movie, which 879 00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:34,839 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think I've spoiling anything, but like 880 00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:37,799 Speaker 1: literally everyone dies and the pretty much the beginning, and 881 00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:40,560 Speaker 1: then like Betty has fallen the lead so like just 882 00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:44,120 Speaker 1: to see Ema Roberts's head get blown off, like I 883 00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:47,799 Speaker 1: was just like, oh my god, and I screamed and 884 00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:50,799 Speaker 1: then like honestly it was like it was like then 885 00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:53,040 Speaker 1: like the Amy Madigan part did happen. And I was like, 886 00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:55,000 Speaker 1: all right, I guess I'm just living in this world 887 00:52:55,320 --> 00:53:00,040 Speaker 1: because part You're like, oh, this is this is to 888 00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:01,960 Speaker 1: be a joy ride. This is gonna be like not 889 00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:04,479 Speaker 1: a joy ride, but it's gonna be fun for us. Yes, 890 00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:06,759 Speaker 1: And also I will put myself through pain for an 891 00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:08,799 Speaker 1: actress tor divorce, you know what I mean, like an 892 00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:12,000 Speaker 1: actress sorter force. I will I will suffer great, great 893 00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:17,040 Speaker 1: harrowing um inconvenience like like even like you know, I 894 00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:19,560 Speaker 1: was thinking about watching Black Swan again the other day 895 00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:22,560 Speaker 1: and I was like, remember that part where when herself 896 00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:24,520 Speaker 1: in the face so then she turns into that late foreman. 897 00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:26,319 Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, I can put myself through that for 898 00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:29,200 Speaker 1: an actress tort of force again for yeah, what about 899 00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:31,040 Speaker 1: did you want for an actress worter force the Tony 900 00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:34,600 Speaker 1: Colette movie. Um, I don't do that Hereditary and I 901 00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:38,439 Speaker 1: will watch mid midsmar either. Sorry, really I can't do it. 902 00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:43,840 Speaker 1: No Ariaster is furious. Probably, I think you could do 903 00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:47,000 Speaker 1: mid Somar. I don't like hearing movies and I, yeah, 904 00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:49,560 Speaker 1: I think so. I think I could do mid Somar. 905 00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:54,560 Speaker 1: I've heard that Midsmar is like beyond the Pail. I 906 00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:58,440 Speaker 1: think Hereditary Match should see I think Match is the 907 00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:02,680 Speaker 1: hereditary force, sure, because it's like camp again. No, no, 908 00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:06,440 Speaker 1: I think it is so like the moment where things 909 00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:11,440 Speaker 1: get bad. I've heard about that. It's it's it's it's unforgettable, 910 00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:16,279 Speaker 1: like and come off. Yeah, it's not even when the 911 00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:21,160 Speaker 1: head come off. It's when discovers the next morning, oh yeah, 912 00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:23,640 Speaker 1: yeah yeah, or when there's when she's up in the corner. 913 00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:27,600 Speaker 1: I remember being in the in the audience. Writer Doyle 914 00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:31,480 Speaker 1: and I saw it together in West Hollywood and someone 915 00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:35,640 Speaker 1: went because it's the part where someone's in the corner 916 00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:38,600 Speaker 1: of the screen like this and no people from her 917 00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:44,200 Speaker 1: saying that noise. We were like, what is the can 918 00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:47,640 Speaker 1: do it? Like? I wish I wish it was a 919 00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:50,600 Speaker 1: thing that I like was like, yeah, it'll be so fun. 920 00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:52,359 Speaker 1: Come on, guys, and like you go in like with 921 00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:54,840 Speaker 1: happy girl friends and sit there and order pizza and 922 00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:57,279 Speaker 1: like have popcorn and you hide behind the popcorn buck 923 00:54:57,320 --> 00:54:59,560 Speaker 1: getting you throw out at each other like so fucking cute, 924 00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:01,840 Speaker 1: and line of the movies like and it's scary woo 925 00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:05,120 Speaker 1: like I can't I freak out. I'm up screaming and 926 00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:08,040 Speaker 1: my my shoulders go to my head and I'm like 927 00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:10,719 Speaker 1: in physical pain. I wake up really sore. The next day. 928 00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:14,719 Speaker 1: I understand. I'm I got Have you seen Barbarian yet, Betty? 929 00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:17,640 Speaker 1: I really want to see it. It's supposed to be amazing, 930 00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:20,480 Speaker 1: it's supposed to be great, It's it's it's it's an 931 00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:26,120 Speaker 1: Airbnb horror. I mean, I don't like, she doesn't like it, 932 00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:29,399 Speaker 1: but I am realizing if there's a female Torta force, 933 00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:33,040 Speaker 1: I do. I do, Yes, I believe. I believe Barbarian 934 00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:36,080 Speaker 1: is a female tod force. That's all I'll say. Anyway, 935 00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:38,680 Speaker 1: That's yeah, that's all. I was going to bring up 936 00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:40,960 Speaker 1: the palace because they feel like this is a very 937 00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:45,400 Speaker 1: pertinent thing to not to get like exclusively show busy 938 00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:49,080 Speaker 1: in this episode. I feel like it's it relates to 939 00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:51,000 Speaker 1: like everything else we've talked about, because I feel like 940 00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:55,600 Speaker 1: you write about how you conceive of this palace in 941 00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:58,600 Speaker 1: showbizuere like they let you in like you know, you know, 942 00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:02,839 Speaker 1: if you if you whatever, like make all the right 943 00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:04,880 Speaker 1: choices or whatever, if things line up for you in 944 00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:08,479 Speaker 1: the right ways, then you like touch the moon right 945 00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:12,040 Speaker 1: like that, You're you're sort of breathing verified air. You're 946 00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:18,040 Speaker 1: like kind of with all these other people who are incredible. Um, 947 00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:22,239 Speaker 1: but I feel like with the way that like the 948 00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:24,600 Speaker 1: business works in the way and like the work that 949 00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:28,279 Speaker 1: is required of let's just say actors who like have 950 00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:32,000 Speaker 1: to simulate all of these relationships and intimacies and all 951 00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:37,000 Speaker 1: these things. Like I don't know, I feel like if 952 00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:39,200 Speaker 1: you if you're in the palace for too long, then 953 00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:42,240 Speaker 1: that's also like destructive. Then that's all that is also 954 00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:45,680 Speaker 1: something that like is irreversible and like you're study, you're 955 00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:49,000 Speaker 1: you're you're imprisoned in the palace for the rest of 956 00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:51,960 Speaker 1: your life. We were talking about this idea of the palace, 957 00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:54,719 Speaker 1: which is like for everyone that's that's listening that hasn't 958 00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:56,719 Speaker 1: yet read the book, which is this idea of like 959 00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:59,360 Speaker 1: the fancy level of Hollywood, which is like the parties 960 00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:01,480 Speaker 1: and then nomin nations of it, all the award shows 961 00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:04,840 Speaker 1: and like the actual attention that comes with is you 962 00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:09,200 Speaker 1: know quote unquote succeeding in the entertainment industry as an actor, 963 00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:12,200 Speaker 1: where it looks like they're projecting you back out to 964 00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:14,600 Speaker 1: the world as like a shiny thing, you know what 965 00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:17,560 Speaker 1: I mean, Like that the concept and this idea that 966 00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:21,040 Speaker 1: like does it exist at all? Like the feeling is 967 00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:23,240 Speaker 1: like you're almost there. One more thing and you'll be 968 00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:27,320 Speaker 1: there right around the corner. One more thing, like one 969 00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:30,240 Speaker 1: more financial bracket or one more thing on your IMDb 970 00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:32,640 Speaker 1: page and you'll be let in. And then once you 971 00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:36,080 Speaker 1: think you're being let in, there like like through that 972 00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:40,000 Speaker 1: door and up those stairs. Um. You know, I think 973 00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:48,240 Speaker 1: that it's been a particularly strange you know, being an actress. 974 00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:53,520 Speaker 1: They are just more visual smoke and mirrors, opportunities to 975 00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:56,240 Speaker 1: just look different from how you woke up in the 976 00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:58,400 Speaker 1: more in terms of like being on a talk show 977 00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:01,280 Speaker 1: or being on a red carpet or something, there's just 978 00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:08,160 Speaker 1: more uh or Actors sort of become this um like 979 00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:10,560 Speaker 1: being on set. It's like you're a bulletin board for 980 00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:13,280 Speaker 1: every other department's work to post on. It's not because 981 00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:16,560 Speaker 1: you're a very special Mariantoine at pretty pretty princess who 982 00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:19,320 Speaker 1: deserves attention. It's like you just become the bulletin board 983 00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:23,360 Speaker 1: for more people's art or work like lighting and makeup 984 00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:28,960 Speaker 1: and costume and um, and that can sort of weirdly 985 00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:33,880 Speaker 1: bleed into your life outside of set, that you become 986 00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:39,360 Speaker 1: this uh I don't know, like um, like a heightened 987 00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:43,120 Speaker 1: version of yourself made by a bunch of other people, 988 00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:48,680 Speaker 1: which feels like I like my face better when a 989 00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:53,640 Speaker 1: professional artist has done it up and and my hair 990 00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:57,800 Speaker 1: and my clothes and you know, I've never been It's 991 00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:00,880 Speaker 1: like I I almost I feel like some of my 992 00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:04,160 Speaker 1: creative window into being an actress because I wasn't good 993 00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:06,840 Speaker 1: at that stuff, because I was really like that girl's 994 00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:10,520 Speaker 1: best friend carrying her books. And now I'm like, cause 995 00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:15,200 Speaker 1: playing as her because I've presented my notes on her 996 00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:17,920 Speaker 1: as an actor, and now I thought, I'm like, if 997 00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:21,120 Speaker 1: I become her and I stopped, well, I stop the 998 00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:26,240 Speaker 1: ability to play her. Yeah, it's like that thing of 999 00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:28,880 Speaker 1: just your being too like it's the fear of being 1000 00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:32,600 Speaker 1: too aware of yourself. Yeah, and and like yeah, there 1001 00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:35,840 Speaker 1: there does seem to be like I remember in our 1002 00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:37,960 Speaker 1: last episode with you, like you talked about being in 1003 00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:40,400 Speaker 1: l A and like some people are just after this 1004 00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:42,560 Speaker 1: for maybe a different reason than you are, and you're 1005 00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:45,400 Speaker 1: someone who actually enjoys being these people and showing your 1006 00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:48,280 Speaker 1: work because of your you know, time observing them and 1007 00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:50,480 Speaker 1: like what you get to channel through them. But then 1008 00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:52,000 Speaker 1: all of a sudden they do push you out and 1009 00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:55,520 Speaker 1: they're like, this part is also important basics grand for 1010 00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:58,000 Speaker 1: a publicist, you know what I mean, right, And it's 1011 00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:01,680 Speaker 1: like and then you're like, wait, this doesn't track, but 1012 01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:04,800 Speaker 1: it better because that means more of the stuff that 1013 01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:08,760 Speaker 1: you liked or so they tell you, you know what 1014 01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:12,760 Speaker 1: you know, so it becomes this like very weird like 1015 01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:15,919 Speaker 1: system you participate in. And one of my favorite things 1016 01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:18,080 Speaker 1: you say in the book, which is something I didn't 1017 01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:20,640 Speaker 1: realize until we went to their Critics Choice Awards when 1018 01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:23,640 Speaker 1: Bone was nominated, is the little line that you get 1019 01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:28,280 Speaker 1: into get to the carpet. This is like something I'm observing, 1020 01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:31,160 Speaker 1: like about the reality of the situation. I thought when 1021 01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:34,160 Speaker 1: I was a little kid watching award shows, that's like, oh, 1022 01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:36,480 Speaker 1: they pull up in the limousine and there they've arrived 1023 01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:38,120 Speaker 1: to the red carpet, and look at them take to 1024 01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:39,920 Speaker 1: the red carpet and people are taking photos of them. 1025 01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:42,440 Speaker 1: They look stunning as people shout their name, they moved 1026 01:00:42,560 --> 01:00:45,800 Speaker 1: to be interviewed by you know, Ryan's secrests or Ryan 1027 01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:48,720 Speaker 1: Seacrest type, and they go in, have a full meal 1028 01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:53,400 Speaker 1: and then win or gracefully lose the award. They drink 1029 01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:55,240 Speaker 1: on the rest of their night, and mary they get 1030 01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:59,200 Speaker 1: a full night sleep and continue working as happy actors. Meanwhile, 1031 01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:02,640 Speaker 1: it's like you pull up to the red carpet and 1032 01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:05,360 Speaker 1: then you do. You get on a little line that 1033 01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:08,160 Speaker 1: actually can be a very big line of people waiting 1034 01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:10,960 Speaker 1: to get their photos taken and their publicists, and it's 1035 01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:14,560 Speaker 1: just so interesting because it is this thing. It's like, oh, 1036 01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:16,959 Speaker 1: to two people in front of me, there's Juliet Lewis 1037 01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:22,760 Speaker 1: also standing staring at nothing, and it's just like miss 1038 01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:26,360 Speaker 1: and magic Mountain line of like corporate roller coat. You're 1039 01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:30,480 Speaker 1: like what and but you've been spending two hours getting 1040 01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:32,760 Speaker 1: yourself so hyped up and like this is my night, 1041 01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:36,040 Speaker 1: like this is the whole world has gathered to see 1042 01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:40,160 Speaker 1: me in this night, and then you realize how low 1043 01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:42,919 Speaker 1: on the totem pole you are and how Yeah, it's 1044 01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:47,640 Speaker 1: it's just corporate prom Yeah. But I think my little 1045 01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:52,000 Speaker 1: theory on top of this theory is that like the 1046 01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:54,880 Speaker 1: people on the top floor of the palace. The people 1047 01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:58,520 Speaker 1: who have like been there for a very long time, 1048 01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:01,440 Speaker 1: or people are people of high esteem and honor, are 1049 01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:03,800 Speaker 1: not even that thrilled to be there themselves and any 1050 01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:06,120 Speaker 1: of that. That That that's very that's not a new idea, 1051 01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:08,920 Speaker 1: and like a lot of this part of the business 1052 01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:12,080 Speaker 1: is demystified to everybody now, but like um or has 1053 01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:16,960 Speaker 1: been for a long time. I just feel like, you're you're, 1054 01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:20,280 Speaker 1: everyone is right to disengage from this as soon as possible, 1055 01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:26,280 Speaker 1: as soon as they understand what's going on, turn their way. Yes, yeah, completely. 1056 01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:28,880 Speaker 1: You know what's funny is like I remember standing in 1057 01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:31,760 Speaker 1: that line and thinking that it's that crazy feeling of 1058 01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:33,360 Speaker 1: like you do you get all excited and then you 1059 01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:34,960 Speaker 1: get in the line, and I was with Bowen, so 1060 01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:38,920 Speaker 1: it's like it's like, oh wow, like now we all 1061 01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:40,520 Speaker 1: have to stand here and wait to get on this 1062 01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:43,000 Speaker 1: carpet and have that thing go on in our head 1063 01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:46,120 Speaker 1: of like do people even want to see me here? 1064 01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:49,080 Speaker 1: I'm not going out there. It's insane that I'm going 1065 01:02:49,080 --> 01:02:51,160 Speaker 1: out to look at the people around me. They're actually 1066 01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:53,960 Speaker 1: like people that people know I'm not doing this. And 1067 01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:56,280 Speaker 1: so there was like a hair brained idea that I 1068 01:02:56,320 --> 01:02:57,760 Speaker 1: would like go out and take a picture with Bowen. 1069 01:02:57,800 --> 01:02:59,560 Speaker 1: And I turned to Boone and I was like, look, 1070 01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:01,960 Speaker 1: the people don't want to see me. I'm getting the 1071 01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:04,120 Speaker 1: funk out of here. And he was like, God, God, 1072 01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:05,919 Speaker 1: I wish I could go with you. And I was like, yeah, 1073 01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:08,320 Speaker 1: well see you. So I went in and had a 1074 01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:11,200 Speaker 1: drink and saw sort of like for some reason, I 1075 01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:12,800 Speaker 1: was in there, and I saw sort of the upper 1076 01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:15,640 Speaker 1: echelon of the palace, and when I tell you, Will 1077 01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:18,200 Speaker 1: Smith and Jada Pinkett Smith walked right in front of 1078 01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:22,280 Speaker 1: me and they glided past me wordlessly. I just breathed, 1079 01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:25,160 Speaker 1: you look incredible to Jada as she goes by, and 1080 01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:27,280 Speaker 1: she just looked and sort of gave me eye contacted 1081 01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:30,600 Speaker 1: a slight smile, and I thought, Wow, the peak of 1082 01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:34,560 Speaker 1: Hollywood glamour, the Palace, the Palace, the King and the Queen. 1083 01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:38,320 Speaker 1: Weeks later, he would slap him out on television, right right, 1084 01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:43,280 Speaker 1: So there is a storm underneath. But don't you feel 1085 01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:46,960 Speaker 1: like at those things, seeing people even though it's still 1086 01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:49,959 Speaker 1: the palace and grows seeing people who you have made 1087 01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:55,000 Speaker 1: those connections with love it It's like, oh, there is yeah, 1088 01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:58,040 Speaker 1: it's it's you can find little pockets of treehouse in 1089 01:03:58,160 --> 01:04:00,960 Speaker 1: the in the palace, but and I do think those 1090 01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:04,280 Speaker 1: are it is different. Even though they're fleeting and strange, 1091 01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:07,600 Speaker 1: it is still really meaningful. I mean, we mean friends 1092 01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:11,080 Speaker 1: that night like we we we like is not the 1093 01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:14,520 Speaker 1: award shows? Yes, yes, yes, it's sometimes funny though who 1094 01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:16,440 Speaker 1: those people are too? Like you know, we were sitting 1095 01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:18,680 Speaker 1: at the table and I literally looked across the room 1096 01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:20,720 Speaker 1: and Molly Shannon was over there and I couldn't run 1097 01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:23,720 Speaker 1: bowing over to Molly Shannon quick enough, like to think 1098 01:04:23,720 --> 01:04:25,840 Speaker 1: of Molly Shannon being that person in the room the 1099 01:04:27,080 --> 01:04:32,120 Speaker 1: let's yeah right right, yes, yeah, And when Mark Marin 1100 01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:35,600 Speaker 1: I immediately start. I never thought that it would be 1101 01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:40,160 Speaker 1: that way. Isn't that funny? Yeah? The Haven people like 1102 01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:44,440 Speaker 1: the Haven people are always surprising. Do you guys find 1103 01:04:45,240 --> 01:04:49,880 Speaker 1: in in these three years where your careers have soared, 1104 01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:55,440 Speaker 1: do you find it like, especially comedy wise, do you 1105 01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:58,920 Speaker 1: find that success has made your job easier of like 1106 01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:01,440 Speaker 1: like going on stage and doing it or are you 1107 01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:04,120 Speaker 1: more in your head or are you more like I 1108 01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:06,960 Speaker 1: have the I know I have the room so I 1109 01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:13,160 Speaker 1: can do the jokes I want when you go first. Okay, 1110 01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:15,800 Speaker 1: the my whole Emmy's breakdown last week, which thank you 1111 01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:19,040 Speaker 1: everybody for um listening to that. It was very self 1112 01:05:19,080 --> 01:05:21,280 Speaker 1: indulgent that I would even bring it up on the podcast. 1113 01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:25,760 Speaker 1: But that's that's an example of like, it's not getting 1114 01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:28,840 Speaker 1: easier of me second guessing this very basic thing that 1115 01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:32,560 Speaker 1: I thought I was good at, that I am expected 1116 01:05:32,600 --> 01:05:37,000 Speaker 1: to do UM and just being like and having this 1117 01:05:37,080 --> 01:05:40,560 Speaker 1: full dysphoria with it, being like I don't, I don't, 1118 01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:44,800 Speaker 1: and I say dysphorias, and like other people have been like, no, 1119 01:05:45,080 --> 01:05:46,680 Speaker 1: like you, I don't know why you think that, And 1120 01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:49,840 Speaker 1: I guess I'm trying to move past it by calling 1121 01:05:49,840 --> 01:05:55,400 Speaker 1: it that, but I think that it his his. It 1122 01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:57,280 Speaker 1: was literally the fact that I had a suit, I 1123 01:05:57,320 --> 01:05:59,240 Speaker 1: had a tux on, and that my hair was that 1124 01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:01,000 Speaker 1: my makeup for and was late, and so therefore I 1125 01:06:01,040 --> 01:06:03,640 Speaker 1: was like studying examining my face and my hair and 1126 01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:06,760 Speaker 1: being like, I don't look right, and it's and it 1127 01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:09,840 Speaker 1: has nothing to do with the capital t W work, 1128 01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:12,720 Speaker 1: you know, like it has nothing to do with that. 1129 01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:15,400 Speaker 1: And that's what I think I'm the most frustrated about 1130 01:06:15,600 --> 01:06:17,840 Speaker 1: is that I'm like, I'm hung up on something that 1131 01:06:17,840 --> 01:06:19,920 Speaker 1: I shouldn't even be hung up on. But therefore, like 1132 01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:23,520 Speaker 1: on a meta level, that is the frustrating thing about 1133 01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:26,680 Speaker 1: being in a place like that, And then I don't 1134 01:06:26,680 --> 01:06:30,000 Speaker 1: know that's that's I'm still kind of scattered about it. Matt, 1135 01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:35,480 Speaker 1: what do well? For me? It's similar because I also 1136 01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:38,480 Speaker 1: find myself distracted sometimes, but I think I do it 1137 01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:41,640 Speaker 1: to myself and just like thinking about the actual work itself, 1138 01:06:41,680 --> 01:06:45,600 Speaker 1: Like I feel so grateful to have these opportunities that 1139 01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:48,240 Speaker 1: I have, Like it was always my dream to book 1140 01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:50,120 Speaker 1: a show like I love that for you, Like it 1141 01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:52,840 Speaker 1: was always my like dream to be able to do 1142 01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:55,480 Speaker 1: a movie with my friends and stuff, and like, you know, 1143 01:06:55,600 --> 01:06:57,880 Speaker 1: it was my dream to be able to one day 1144 01:06:57,920 --> 01:07:00,280 Speaker 1: like say, I have a comedy special and that I 1145 01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:03,600 Speaker 1: have these opportunities, Like I get a little in my 1146 01:07:03,640 --> 01:07:06,200 Speaker 1: own way when I think about sucking them up. So 1147 01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:08,800 Speaker 1: I guess, like that's where what it is for me is. 1148 01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:11,280 Speaker 1: It's just like, yes, of course I have all the 1149 01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:15,760 Speaker 1: same um things around, you know, the star machine of 1150 01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:17,480 Speaker 1: it all, you know what I mean. I look at 1151 01:07:17,480 --> 01:07:19,120 Speaker 1: it and I'm like sometimes I look at my own 1152 01:07:19,120 --> 01:07:21,040 Speaker 1: Instagram and I'm like, does it look like a funny 1153 01:07:21,080 --> 01:07:23,240 Speaker 1: person's Instagram or just look like someone who's posted a 1154 01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:25,320 Speaker 1: lot of pictures of himself. So I have a lot 1155 01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:27,880 Speaker 1: of that, And I definitely think that because it was 1156 01:07:27,920 --> 01:07:31,200 Speaker 1: my first experience in that machine like that, I've learned 1157 01:07:31,200 --> 01:07:33,760 Speaker 1: from it, and you know, next time I'll be able to, like, 1158 01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:37,520 Speaker 1: you know, keep the beast alive a little bit more 1159 01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:43,360 Speaker 1: than just like you know, picture um. But I also 1160 01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:46,520 Speaker 1: think at working at my job, like I've had other 1161 01:07:47,080 --> 01:07:50,280 Speaker 1: act like Jennifer Lewis called me after we wrapped the 1162 01:07:50,320 --> 01:07:52,400 Speaker 1: show and had to come out and she said, I 1163 01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:54,240 Speaker 1: couldn't tell you this while we were shooting, but I 1164 01:07:54,240 --> 01:07:56,360 Speaker 1: want to tell you now you're too hard on yourself. 1165 01:07:56,960 --> 01:07:59,160 Speaker 1: And just hearing it from someone like her who really 1166 01:07:59,200 --> 01:08:03,640 Speaker 1: apparently why watched and really apparently cared, I was just like, 1167 01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:05,520 Speaker 1: you know what, now, I think I'm actually ready to 1168 01:08:05,560 --> 01:08:07,960 Speaker 1: hear that and be go a little bit easier on myself, 1169 01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:10,480 Speaker 1: because I think it's harder when you know you can 1170 01:08:10,520 --> 01:08:13,800 Speaker 1: do it. And I say this not as someone with like, 1171 01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:16,639 Speaker 1: not in an arrogant way, but I know I've worked 1172 01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:18,360 Speaker 1: hard and I know I'm talented, and so I just 1173 01:08:18,400 --> 01:08:21,479 Speaker 1: don't want to mess up the opportunities, and so that 1174 01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:24,840 Speaker 1: gets more difficult when the opportunities are definitely going to 1175 01:08:24,920 --> 01:08:27,559 Speaker 1: be seen, and when you are standing with people you 1176 01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:29,800 Speaker 1: really respect and want to impress. You know, we're not 1177 01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:34,800 Speaker 1: in basements anymore. Um, before two people, It's like, you know, 1178 01:08:34,920 --> 01:08:38,960 Speaker 1: these are real opportunities to show yourself, and what you 1179 01:08:38,960 --> 01:08:41,479 Speaker 1: have to remind yourself is that you're only going to 1180 01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:46,120 Speaker 1: access the maximum of that opportunity by just letting yourself 1181 01:08:46,160 --> 01:08:52,240 Speaker 1: be because you are why you're there. Yeah, and almost 1182 01:08:52,280 --> 01:08:58,120 Speaker 1: like I find it so interesting, um honestly watching uh, 1183 01:08:58,439 --> 01:09:02,360 Speaker 1: certain people in old episodes of SNL before they were 1184 01:09:02,360 --> 01:09:05,680 Speaker 1: like stars of SNL and like like I forget who 1185 01:09:05,680 --> 01:09:08,200 Speaker 1: it was, Kristen Wig or Will Ferrell or something like 1186 01:09:08,479 --> 01:09:13,080 Speaker 1: their first skits they're not getting huge laughs because they 1187 01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:16,519 Speaker 1: don't like have the room already, like like the people 1188 01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:18,280 Speaker 1: aren't already Like what's it gonna say? It was? He 1189 01:09:18,280 --> 01:09:19,679 Speaker 1: gonna say, Oh my god, I knew it was gonna 1190 01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:23,599 Speaker 1: be amazing, Like winning people over from zero. It's it 1191 01:09:23,640 --> 01:09:26,800 Speaker 1: takes a different set of tools. And I think like 1192 01:09:27,280 --> 01:09:29,400 Speaker 1: probably in high school that's what we all did. Like 1193 01:09:29,479 --> 01:09:32,559 Speaker 1: I remember saying a joke under my breath, no one laughing, 1194 01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:34,479 Speaker 1: and then the jock next to me saying it louder 1195 01:09:34,479 --> 01:09:38,720 Speaker 1: and getting a huge lad and being like, fuck off, man, 1196 01:09:39,080 --> 01:09:42,280 Speaker 1: you just have the thing that I can't get, like 1197 01:09:42,280 --> 01:09:45,519 Speaker 1: like the social poll of like the cafeteria being like, 1198 01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:48,840 Speaker 1: whatever you do, we already are on board with you. 1199 01:09:49,280 --> 01:09:51,439 Speaker 1: And so I wonder, I wonder if you're listening back 1200 01:09:51,439 --> 01:09:53,720 Speaker 1: to yourself from three years ago, if it's like that 1201 01:09:53,840 --> 01:09:56,720 Speaker 1: shift of like what's been at it is you have 1202 01:09:56,920 --> 01:10:01,439 Speaker 1: the room now, and there's there's a difference between like 1203 01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:06,559 Speaker 1: letting your brain get drunk on your follower account or 1204 01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:10,040 Speaker 1: being at the palace and over serving yourself, or and 1205 01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:14,000 Speaker 1: like the other thing is shedding a skin that's not 1206 01:10:14,040 --> 01:10:17,280 Speaker 1: serving you anymore, of like you don't need the self 1207 01:10:17,360 --> 01:10:20,599 Speaker 1: hate to or being hard on yourself to like get 1208 01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:23,120 Speaker 1: the joke in sideways, because like you're at a different 1209 01:10:24,160 --> 01:10:28,680 Speaker 1: fucking table now, and it's so finding a way to 1210 01:10:28,880 --> 01:10:30,760 Speaker 1: still be able to sleep at night and be like 1211 01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:32,800 Speaker 1: I'm always gonna hate myself, I was gonna be hard 1212 01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:35,000 Speaker 1: on myself, and I'm always gonna come and think sideways. 1213 01:10:35,160 --> 01:10:38,960 Speaker 1: But maybe there's a different Maybe my voice has dropped 1214 01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:44,880 Speaker 1: for a good reason. Oh my God, I feel like 1215 01:10:44,920 --> 01:10:47,040 Speaker 1: this whole episode has been me quoting your own book 1216 01:10:47,080 --> 01:10:52,599 Speaker 1: back at you. But I did right down one line 1217 01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:56,360 Speaker 1: which was so resonant and very important and it's exactly 1218 01:10:56,400 --> 01:10:58,120 Speaker 1: what you're saying. But you were like, my favorit kind 1219 01:10:58,120 --> 01:11:02,960 Speaker 1: of work is the weird silly work that like, UM 1220 01:11:03,160 --> 01:11:07,240 Speaker 1: people make when um they're uninhibited, and that work never 1221 01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:09,559 Speaker 1: gets made. If the loudest voice in your head is 1222 01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:11,759 Speaker 1: maybe I should shut up, maybe I should be quiet, 1223 01:11:12,600 --> 01:11:16,920 Speaker 1: I've been living with that voice for like the past year. 1224 01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:20,120 Speaker 1: I think I think, I think this last season on 1225 01:11:20,200 --> 01:11:21,760 Speaker 1: US and Now, I had a great season. I was 1226 01:11:21,840 --> 01:11:26,120 Speaker 1: so lucky um to do everything I did. But I think, 1227 01:11:26,240 --> 01:11:30,519 Speaker 1: I think, I think maybe something happened, like after that 1228 01:11:31,280 --> 01:11:33,320 Speaker 1: second season that I had where I was like, this 1229 01:11:33,439 --> 01:11:39,040 Speaker 1: was wow, I never expected these things to happen to me, um, 1230 01:11:39,080 --> 01:11:42,919 Speaker 1: And it felt like I was really like earning earning 1231 01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:45,280 Speaker 1: like whatever, like my key because I was still like 1232 01:11:45,439 --> 01:11:47,240 Speaker 1: young and scrappy and starting out and it was like 1233 01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:49,759 Speaker 1: you know COVID shows where we only had a half 1234 01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:51,640 Speaker 1: full house, and I was like, I really gotta I 1235 01:11:51,680 --> 01:11:54,760 Speaker 1: really gotta like go for it. And then maybe I 1236 01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:56,800 Speaker 1: was like resting on my Laurels a little bit this 1237 01:11:56,920 --> 01:11:59,200 Speaker 1: this last year. But I feel like there was that 1238 01:11:59,320 --> 01:12:01,680 Speaker 1: also left room for that voice to creep in and 1239 01:12:01,720 --> 01:12:04,320 Speaker 1: be like you should not do that that like you 1240 01:12:04,360 --> 01:12:07,000 Speaker 1: probably shouldn't. And I think this just applies to like 1241 01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:10,439 Speaker 1: my whole like comedic output in general. Like I haven't 1242 01:12:11,120 --> 01:12:13,920 Speaker 1: but on stage, I haven't, um like in front of 1243 01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:16,320 Speaker 1: like a you know, like like as myself, like in 1244 01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:18,960 Speaker 1: like you know, in front of an audience really and 1245 01:12:20,120 --> 01:12:22,559 Speaker 1: I'm I'm really excited to change that soon with stuff 1246 01:12:22,600 --> 01:12:26,679 Speaker 1: and uh yeah, anyway, but but but that but thank 1247 01:12:26,680 --> 01:12:29,360 Speaker 1: you for putting in those terms, Betty. But you're also 1248 01:12:29,400 --> 01:12:31,880 Speaker 1: such a surgeon in terms of the way you your 1249 01:12:31,960 --> 01:12:36,360 Speaker 1: comedy is. So it's so exact in the way that 1250 01:12:36,439 --> 01:12:39,559 Speaker 1: you've observed all walks of life. And I think that 1251 01:12:39,560 --> 01:12:44,320 Speaker 1: that probably it's one of the myriad of reasons why 1252 01:12:44,360 --> 01:12:48,280 Speaker 1: you're so brilliant, but also maybe a reason that like 1253 01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:51,840 Speaker 1: you can't turn that off, like if you're if you're 1254 01:12:51,880 --> 01:12:57,040 Speaker 1: not taking apart the syllables of um an alexis Nyer's 1255 01:12:57,040 --> 01:13:01,519 Speaker 1: phone call, it's like that turn onto your own self 1256 01:13:01,640 --> 01:13:04,240 Speaker 1: of like if I don't have an engine going forward 1257 01:13:04,320 --> 01:13:08,200 Speaker 1: into something, maybe it turns, which I mean we all 1258 01:13:08,240 --> 01:13:10,720 Speaker 1: have that version of like the wheel gets put on 1259 01:13:10,760 --> 01:13:12,840 Speaker 1: its side and it's like a tunnel downward, like and 1260 01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:17,280 Speaker 1: now it's really dark. Um, but I'm so much but 1261 01:13:17,680 --> 01:13:19,840 Speaker 1: as an audience member, I'm so much more interested in 1262 01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:25,160 Speaker 1: your kind of comedy and art and uh as opposed 1263 01:13:25,160 --> 01:13:28,080 Speaker 1: to like I feel like some comedians are just it's 1264 01:13:28,120 --> 01:13:31,479 Speaker 1: like comfort porn, like you're watching someone like I feel 1265 01:13:31,479 --> 01:13:33,960 Speaker 1: like that's why Louis c k was like, you're just 1266 01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:37,479 Speaker 1: watching someone be so like no difference between if they 1267 01:13:37,479 --> 01:13:40,080 Speaker 1: were talking to their best friend in their kitchen or you. 1268 01:13:40,280 --> 01:13:43,120 Speaker 1: And it's like, oh wow, how interesting to see someone 1269 01:13:43,120 --> 01:13:47,280 Speaker 1: be just so inherently themselves. But there's a point where 1270 01:13:48,360 --> 01:13:51,360 Speaker 1: I don't know, that gets a little stale. It's weird 1271 01:13:51,400 --> 01:13:53,880 Speaker 1: that we do any of the things we do and 1272 01:13:53,960 --> 01:13:58,120 Speaker 1: there's something that special or like, I don't know, there's 1273 01:13:58,200 --> 01:14:02,679 Speaker 1: there's nothing that's exceptional about this work except that you, 1274 01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:06,200 Speaker 1: as an individual have to negotiate your own let's just 1275 01:14:06,240 --> 01:14:08,600 Speaker 1: say narcissism. I know it's a clinical term, but like 1276 01:14:09,000 --> 01:14:12,559 Speaker 1: narcism with all of the all of the offerings and 1277 01:14:12,600 --> 01:14:16,559 Speaker 1: the spoils that like the industry can give you I 1278 01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:19,000 Speaker 1: think that's like, yeah, that's that's what we're all talking. 1279 01:14:19,040 --> 01:14:21,559 Speaker 1: But but another element of it that you do say 1280 01:14:21,600 --> 01:14:23,879 Speaker 1: in the book is that a lot of it is fun, 1281 01:14:24,479 --> 01:14:27,439 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like it's fun. I mean, 1282 01:14:27,760 --> 01:14:31,400 Speaker 1: here's the thing about Cinderella. She wasn't the sad emoji 1283 01:14:31,479 --> 01:14:37,160 Speaker 1: leaving the ball. That's not the emoji she was. She 1284 01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:41,200 Speaker 1: she was this emoji and describe for the reader's bow. 1285 01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:46,560 Speaker 1: She Oh, she was that side I like smirk, and 1286 01:14:47,680 --> 01:14:52,400 Speaker 1: she was a little sided. She was a little bit yeah, 1287 01:14:52,439 --> 01:14:55,960 Speaker 1: and she was also a little bit a little what 1288 01:14:56,040 --> 01:14:59,280 Speaker 1: is face melting? Face melting? I think her face was 1289 01:14:59,320 --> 01:15:01,720 Speaker 1: melted because there had been so much magic, Like I 1290 01:15:01,760 --> 01:15:05,840 Speaker 1: didn't know that was possible. He's just Christ literally and 1291 01:15:05,880 --> 01:15:08,280 Speaker 1: then also a little bit horny for the sorry but 1292 01:15:08,400 --> 01:15:12,800 Speaker 1: prince Prince, and then definitely smirking at the possibilities of 1293 01:15:12,840 --> 01:15:15,120 Speaker 1: a new world. And I think that is the thing 1294 01:15:15,160 --> 01:15:17,280 Speaker 1: about going to these things, because you do leave a 1295 01:15:17,320 --> 01:15:19,280 Speaker 1: little bit like drunk and giddy, and you're like, oh 1296 01:15:19,320 --> 01:15:21,760 Speaker 1: my god, I talked to X y Z and like, 1297 01:15:23,760 --> 01:15:25,960 Speaker 1: and you buzz a little bit because you get a 1298 01:15:25,960 --> 01:15:29,640 Speaker 1: glimpse into that horny little world and then which it 1299 01:15:29,720 --> 01:15:33,360 Speaker 1: is a horny little world. Yeah yeah, and at which 1300 01:15:33,400 --> 01:15:35,720 Speaker 1: I do love about it, but like um, and then 1301 01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:37,680 Speaker 1: you giggle away and you're like, oh my god, like 1302 01:15:37,720 --> 01:15:40,240 Speaker 1: I got to like look into the fish bowl, but 1303 01:15:40,320 --> 01:15:43,559 Speaker 1: it's so different. And also you know, to like coming 1304 01:15:43,640 --> 01:15:45,759 Speaker 1: up as a little kid who like did read magazines, 1305 01:15:45,800 --> 01:15:48,599 Speaker 1: like I remember reading US Weekly and laughing my ass 1306 01:15:48,680 --> 01:15:54,439 Speaker 1: off to the fashion police, wanting to know what everyone 1307 01:15:54,520 --> 01:15:56,160 Speaker 1: was up to, you know what I mean, Like these 1308 01:15:56,160 --> 01:15:58,360 Speaker 1: people that I saw doing something I wanted to do, 1309 01:15:58,400 --> 01:15:59,840 Speaker 1: What were they up to? What were they like, what 1310 01:15:59,920 --> 01:16:02,200 Speaker 1: was going on in their lives? And then you get 1311 01:16:02,200 --> 01:16:03,760 Speaker 1: into fish bowl and you're like, oh, these are just 1312 01:16:03,800 --> 01:16:06,519 Speaker 1: people with varying degrees of like you know, whatever is 1313 01:16:06,560 --> 01:16:10,280 Speaker 1: going on. And another thing about the stylist of it all, 1314 01:16:10,439 --> 01:16:12,040 Speaker 1: like the pr of it all is. I remember like 1315 01:16:12,120 --> 01:16:15,360 Speaker 1: reading those Uspeklee like fashion police things and if people 1316 01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:18,240 Speaker 1: wore a bad outfit and we're like like clock throwing 1317 01:16:18,240 --> 01:16:20,240 Speaker 1: a bad outfit. I remember me as a little kid 1318 01:16:20,280 --> 01:16:24,320 Speaker 1: used to think, yeah, they're so stupid, Like they're so 1319 01:16:24,360 --> 01:16:28,120 Speaker 1: stupid looking ugly, and it's just like, you know, any 1320 01:16:28,160 --> 01:16:30,080 Speaker 1: of us were the stylist could show up looking bad 1321 01:16:30,080 --> 01:16:32,920 Speaker 1: at any time, I never have loved my people, but 1322 01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:37,000 Speaker 1: like it could happen to the best, smartest, most talented individuals, 1323 01:16:37,080 --> 01:16:39,800 Speaker 1: and it has. But I remember thinking, like as a 1324 01:16:39,800 --> 01:16:42,439 Speaker 1: little snarky kid who probably would be on Reddit these days, 1325 01:16:42,600 --> 01:16:46,479 Speaker 1: a little shutter to think, yeah, what an idiot Laura 1326 01:16:46,520 --> 01:16:55,040 Speaker 1: flt Yeah, what a fool like she t bos from TLC. 1327 01:16:55,280 --> 01:17:00,200 Speaker 1: Really sucks because she showed up and I didn't like 1328 01:17:00,240 --> 01:17:10,240 Speaker 1: her garment, Like dancing in this movie or show. It's 1329 01:17:10,240 --> 01:17:14,000 Speaker 1: a little show, but it's an episode where we do 1330 01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:16,439 Speaker 1: do choreography and I have been doing it in heels, 1331 01:17:16,520 --> 01:17:23,559 Speaker 1: which I have to say sucks. Wow, Ginger Rogers behind 1332 01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:27,519 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I know. But coreo, the coreo of it all. 1333 01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:32,960 Speaker 1: I find choreography to be excruciatingly hard. I don't know 1334 01:17:33,160 --> 01:17:35,479 Speaker 1: that part of my brain doesn't exist. It's also just 1335 01:17:35,520 --> 01:17:37,960 Speaker 1: like when you know, when you ever watch choreographers talk 1336 01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:40,280 Speaker 1: to each other and they start to talk in like numbers, 1337 01:17:40,640 --> 01:17:42,160 Speaker 1: and it's like on the two and the three, and 1338 01:17:42,200 --> 01:17:44,559 Speaker 1: I think the three should actually become twos or should 1339 01:17:44,560 --> 01:17:47,840 Speaker 1: they stay fours? Let's have it so, let's have um, 1340 01:17:48,080 --> 01:17:51,240 Speaker 1: let's have Matt still be two and then where everyone 1341 01:17:51,280 --> 01:17:53,160 Speaker 1: else is gonna be one. No, that doesn't make sense. 1342 01:17:53,320 --> 01:17:55,240 Speaker 1: Matt still be a four. And I'm like, literally, my 1343 01:17:55,280 --> 01:17:57,360 Speaker 1: brain is soup. My brain is the melting emoji. And 1344 01:17:57,439 --> 01:18:01,120 Speaker 1: I'm like, Queen, I don't know, oh what you said, 1345 01:18:01,320 --> 01:18:05,960 Speaker 1: and I don't know what it is? Are you singing 1346 01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:09,559 Speaker 1: in it? Not in this? No, it's I can't say. 1347 01:18:09,640 --> 01:18:13,559 Speaker 1: Just because the email, I was like, don't like, don't 1348 01:18:13,600 --> 01:18:15,040 Speaker 1: you dare tell me when you're on the show. I 1349 01:18:15,080 --> 01:18:17,679 Speaker 1: was like, okay, I think it was just like Netflix 1350 01:18:17,720 --> 01:18:24,920 Speaker 1: being like platform. Yeah, no, but I'm I'm dancing. When's 1351 01:18:24,920 --> 01:18:28,479 Speaker 1: the last time you did choreography? God, the last time 1352 01:18:28,520 --> 01:18:33,400 Speaker 1: I did choreography? For that um Apple show Roar Um 1353 01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:35,960 Speaker 1: did an episode and we did a dance in the 1354 01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:40,920 Speaker 1: street at the end, and I just like in in 1355 01:18:41,080 --> 01:18:45,120 Speaker 1: high school, I would have semi leads and musicals and 1356 01:18:45,280 --> 01:18:47,400 Speaker 1: always the dance teacher would be like, and then we 1357 01:18:47,520 --> 01:18:49,600 Speaker 1: know that you take an eight count back to the 1358 01:18:49,640 --> 01:18:51,519 Speaker 1: back of this wave and we have the dancers come 1359 01:18:51,560 --> 01:18:54,680 Speaker 1: and cover you because you are not a mover and 1360 01:18:55,320 --> 01:19:01,120 Speaker 1: step touch in the back. Yeah exactly. Oh No, that's okay, 1361 01:19:01,160 --> 01:19:04,719 Speaker 1: It's it's really, it's it's a whole. It's a whole. 1362 01:19:05,160 --> 01:19:06,880 Speaker 1: But do you have to do a lot for SNL? 1363 01:19:07,960 --> 01:19:10,800 Speaker 1: He learns like a little routine, a little routines. But 1364 01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:14,240 Speaker 1: it's that they'll bring in like a choreographer who will 1365 01:19:14,600 --> 01:19:20,040 Speaker 1: have to choreograph the easiest thing for everyone to do. Otherwise, 1366 01:19:20,280 --> 01:19:24,519 Speaker 1: y'all we all kind of get get getting angry. Um wait, 1367 01:19:25,000 --> 01:19:27,400 Speaker 1: what can I ask you about this new Damon lindelof 1368 01:19:27,479 --> 01:19:30,080 Speaker 1: show you're you're in. I think you guys are going 1369 01:19:30,120 --> 01:19:33,760 Speaker 1: to really love this show. I love Damon. You're talking 1370 01:19:33,760 --> 01:19:38,800 Speaker 1: to a lost girl. Oh um, yes, it's I also 1371 01:19:38,880 --> 01:19:43,160 Speaker 1: cannot say too much, but I am a nun and 1372 01:19:43,360 --> 01:19:49,240 Speaker 1: I am it's um, yeah, it's a I think that 1373 01:19:49,920 --> 01:19:53,680 Speaker 1: it might be a show that readers and their nonreader 1374 01:19:53,880 --> 01:19:58,120 Speaker 1: siblings could enjoy together. Maybe it's going to bring together 1375 01:19:58,160 --> 01:20:01,400 Speaker 1: and maybe parents. I can't tell who what sect of 1376 01:20:01,520 --> 01:20:05,280 Speaker 1: people were going to make upset that someone might get upset. 1377 01:20:05,439 --> 01:20:07,439 Speaker 1: Someone's going to get upset because you're a nun sort 1378 01:20:07,479 --> 01:20:10,800 Speaker 1: of up to no good. I'm not. I don't know. 1379 01:20:10,880 --> 01:20:14,240 Speaker 1: I don't know. You can't say so chic to not 1380 01:20:14,280 --> 01:20:15,920 Speaker 1: be able to say, to be on a Damon Linda 1381 01:20:15,960 --> 01:20:17,639 Speaker 1: love show and not be able to say but We're 1382 01:20:17,680 --> 01:20:20,519 Speaker 1: not a dream that is the dream about about a 1383 01:20:20,600 --> 01:20:23,639 Speaker 1: David lindelof Project. I texted, and I'm sorry, god, I 1384 01:20:23,640 --> 01:20:29,479 Speaker 1: can't because he this is the nicest man. He texts 1385 01:20:29,520 --> 01:20:32,920 Speaker 1: me every week after a show after he goes what 1386 01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:37,559 Speaker 1: bow he goes bowing? That was amazing anyway, I texted, 1387 01:20:37,760 --> 01:20:39,639 Speaker 1: I take it upon myself to text him this week. 1388 01:20:39,680 --> 01:20:42,360 Speaker 1: I was like, I just finished Betty's book. You must 1389 01:20:42,360 --> 01:20:45,519 Speaker 1: read it if you haven't. Isn't she the best? And 1390 01:20:45,560 --> 01:20:48,360 Speaker 1: then he goes, I love her to death. It really 1391 01:20:48,439 --> 01:20:51,599 Speaker 1: sucks that she can write circles around me and still 1392 01:20:51,680 --> 01:20:56,240 Speaker 1: be a brilliant actress. Oh my god, I mean, it's 1393 01:20:56,240 --> 01:21:00,280 Speaker 1: like you are the best actor. And also like this 1394 01:21:00,360 --> 01:21:05,800 Speaker 1: is so good, like you were very busy to give home, 1395 01:21:05,880 --> 01:21:10,120 Speaker 1: to give hours long homework is not not even it 1396 01:21:10,200 --> 01:21:12,919 Speaker 1: was it was literally not homework because it genuinely, genuinely 1397 01:21:12,960 --> 01:21:16,479 Speaker 1: like enriched every I loved reading every page of it. 1398 01:21:16,600 --> 01:21:19,840 Speaker 1: I mean, it's so funny and it's so good. I 1399 01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:23,160 Speaker 1: just like, I mean, I can't say enough like. And 1400 01:21:23,160 --> 01:21:27,479 Speaker 1: it also like it must have been really fucking hard. Yeah, 1401 01:21:27,600 --> 01:21:30,320 Speaker 1: it was, well, I don't know. I I wrote it 1402 01:21:30,400 --> 01:21:32,560 Speaker 1: right after Mary was born and I think I was 1403 01:21:32,600 --> 01:21:36,479 Speaker 1: still on just adrenaline literally from childbirth, and I wrote 1404 01:21:36,520 --> 01:21:41,080 Speaker 1: it pretty fast. It was I think writing it in 1405 01:21:41,400 --> 01:21:44,800 Speaker 1: quarantine was the only way that it could have. Like, 1406 01:21:45,520 --> 01:21:48,040 Speaker 1: I think I was just so self conscious about not 1407 01:21:48,800 --> 01:21:51,920 Speaker 1: being like I had such who cares that? Who cares? 1408 01:21:51,920 --> 01:21:56,479 Speaker 1: Shut up energy around writing in particular that um, it 1409 01:21:56,600 --> 01:21:59,800 Speaker 1: really felt like I wrote it when we when we 1410 01:22:00,200 --> 01:22:02,840 Speaker 1: the world is over, when we're no more like we 1411 01:22:02,920 --> 01:22:06,200 Speaker 1: were going to be inside forever. And so it's like 1412 01:22:07,200 --> 01:22:10,880 Speaker 1: one last shout to the wave of the tsunami before 1413 01:22:10,880 --> 01:22:13,360 Speaker 1: it crashes on all of us. Here's the book and 1414 01:22:13,400 --> 01:22:24,760 Speaker 1: the tsunami dissipated its like ah published, I just like 1415 01:22:24,840 --> 01:22:27,920 Speaker 1: as someone who like dreams of like doing this one day, 1416 01:22:28,000 --> 01:22:31,280 Speaker 1: Like I just I was so blown away and inspired 1417 01:22:31,320 --> 01:22:34,120 Speaker 1: by it because and I will say again, like the 1418 01:22:34,200 --> 01:22:36,720 Speaker 1: character of you is so well drawn, because you are 1419 01:22:36,760 --> 01:22:39,240 Speaker 1: on every page and your voice is so clear, and 1420 01:22:39,640 --> 01:22:43,800 Speaker 1: like you really you're you are such a narrator of 1421 01:22:43,920 --> 01:22:46,600 Speaker 1: life in this. But what really comes through for me 1422 01:22:46,680 --> 01:22:49,400 Speaker 1: are all the characters, like for example, the character of Max. 1423 01:22:49,880 --> 01:22:52,640 Speaker 1: You know what I mean, that person that person that 1424 01:22:52,800 --> 01:22:56,840 Speaker 1: just like like really gets you know what I'm saying, 1425 01:22:56,880 --> 01:22:59,519 Speaker 1: Like those people you need along the way. They're so 1426 01:22:59,720 --> 01:23:04,439 Speaker 1: viv did um and so that would be like, I 1427 01:23:04,479 --> 01:23:08,000 Speaker 1: think the thing I walk away from this like really 1428 01:23:08,040 --> 01:23:10,320 Speaker 1: really feeling like I learned something about and like really 1429 01:23:10,360 --> 01:23:13,960 Speaker 1: inspired by was just the way in which I feel 1430 01:23:14,000 --> 01:23:17,240 Speaker 1: like even when you reference someone later on, like I 1431 01:23:17,240 --> 01:23:19,200 Speaker 1: feel like that they were my old friend or like, 1432 01:23:19,240 --> 01:23:21,519 Speaker 1: oh my god, yeah when that happened in our life, 1433 01:23:21,560 --> 01:23:25,280 Speaker 1: that was that was tough of it all. Don't bring 1434 01:23:25,280 --> 01:23:29,360 Speaker 1: the max of it all up to me, thank you. 1435 01:23:30,320 --> 01:23:33,080 Speaker 1: Oh my god. I have like twenty copies of the 1436 01:23:33,120 --> 01:23:35,519 Speaker 1: book that the publisher sent me to like quote give 1437 01:23:35,560 --> 01:23:37,960 Speaker 1: out to friends, and it's just sitting in my car 1438 01:23:38,040 --> 01:23:41,000 Speaker 1: because I'm like the thought of walking up to someone 1439 01:23:41,120 --> 01:23:46,040 Speaker 1: that I and I leave I'm filming in l A 1440 01:23:46,120 --> 01:23:48,000 Speaker 1: for the next two weeks, and then leave and I'm 1441 01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:50,760 Speaker 1: not bringing them. I'm like, I'm just gonna literally leave 1442 01:23:50,800 --> 01:23:52,120 Speaker 1: it on the side of the road, I think, and 1443 01:23:52,200 --> 01:23:58,240 Speaker 1: the heaven like a little surpassor whoever. I mean, I 1444 01:23:58,240 --> 01:24:02,840 Speaker 1: don't know what a beautiful plan and um maybe time 1445 01:24:02,880 --> 01:24:05,599 Speaker 1: bo it might be time. But very quickly, I want 1446 01:24:05,600 --> 01:24:07,240 Speaker 1: to mention one last thing in the book which I 1447 01:24:07,280 --> 01:24:10,479 Speaker 1: really stayed with me, which was, um, you talking about 1448 01:24:10,520 --> 01:24:13,439 Speaker 1: like going to a Spanish olive oil factory with your family, 1449 01:24:13,520 --> 01:24:17,800 Speaker 1: and like your dad so intently having to listen to 1450 01:24:17,840 --> 01:24:22,439 Speaker 1: this man like give a terrible tour about the place 1451 01:24:23,080 --> 01:24:25,280 Speaker 1: and he's and then your dad is like, it's like 1452 01:24:25,320 --> 01:24:29,799 Speaker 1: doing a matinee love, which is like this this person 1453 01:24:29,920 --> 01:24:33,840 Speaker 1: is like bearing their soul the great people. Yeah, the 1454 01:24:34,000 --> 01:24:36,680 Speaker 1: olive oil factory had been in his family for generations. 1455 01:24:36,800 --> 01:24:39,640 Speaker 1: And we were stopping off on this tour and you 1456 01:24:39,680 --> 01:24:42,439 Speaker 1: know all these fanti packed chicken nugget people that we 1457 01:24:42,439 --> 01:24:44,360 Speaker 1: were that we did not want to listen to a 1458 01:24:44,439 --> 01:24:48,280 Speaker 1: monologue about olive oil and the history of the olive 1459 01:24:48,960 --> 01:24:50,880 Speaker 1: And my dad was like, we have to listen to 1460 01:24:50,920 --> 01:24:54,519 Speaker 1: every syllable with our hands over our hearts, because we 1461 01:24:54,600 --> 01:24:56,519 Speaker 1: all know that feeling of like things that you have 1462 01:24:56,600 --> 01:24:58,280 Speaker 1: the audience in the palm of your hand and looking 1463 01:24:58,320 --> 01:25:02,280 Speaker 1: up and seeing looking at their cell phone or it's 1464 01:25:02,360 --> 01:25:04,240 Speaker 1: or or people are like I have to be. I 1465 01:25:04,280 --> 01:25:06,479 Speaker 1: had to I had to go. There's something about like 1466 01:25:06,640 --> 01:25:10,120 Speaker 1: humanity that is so like distilled in that idea to 1467 01:25:10,200 --> 01:25:12,519 Speaker 1: me that I'm like, I'm like, I was like, funk, 1468 01:25:12,600 --> 01:25:15,360 Speaker 1: this is this is crazy anyway, And I think that 1469 01:25:15,560 --> 01:25:20,360 Speaker 1: those that's what makes those connections actually important and meaningful 1470 01:25:20,439 --> 01:25:23,599 Speaker 1: and not just bullshit of like those fleeting moments like 1471 01:25:23,680 --> 01:25:25,679 Speaker 1: I see you, I see you, I see you, even 1472 01:25:25,720 --> 01:25:29,439 Speaker 1: if it's like only one part of you, it's the 1473 01:25:29,800 --> 01:25:32,040 Speaker 1: part that you thought that no one would see. So 1474 01:25:32,120 --> 01:25:35,240 Speaker 1: seeing someone you know wave to it like it's the 1475 01:25:35,280 --> 01:25:39,080 Speaker 1: most obvious part of you. It is. It is meaningful 1476 01:25:39,240 --> 01:25:44,240 Speaker 1: and more meaningful than Jada Pinkett Smith gliding by. Yeah. 1477 01:25:45,320 --> 01:25:47,920 Speaker 1: And also just like, oh my god, this is the 1478 01:25:48,160 --> 01:25:51,000 Speaker 1: end of the chapter where you read the letter that 1479 01:25:51,040 --> 01:25:52,760 Speaker 1: you had gotten from the kid that you did the 1480 01:25:52,760 --> 01:25:55,160 Speaker 1: play with. Just the end of that. I had to 1481 01:25:55,160 --> 01:25:56,639 Speaker 1: put that. I had to put it down and walk 1482 01:25:56,640 --> 01:25:59,280 Speaker 1: around after that because that's just like I don't know, 1483 01:25:59,320 --> 01:26:05,639 Speaker 1: everyone like like we can we cannot be you must 1484 01:26:05,680 --> 01:26:10,240 Speaker 1: read it. And actually one of the chapters inspired and 1485 01:26:10,240 --> 01:26:12,839 Speaker 1: I don't think so honey. Oh my god, Oh I'm excited. 1486 01:26:21,960 --> 01:26:23,360 Speaker 1: So this is why I don't think so honey. And 1487 01:26:23,400 --> 01:26:26,120 Speaker 1: start one minute segment that we do on Lost Culture 1488 01:26:26,240 --> 01:26:28,560 Speaker 1: which is a sort of an abbreviation for the podcast 1489 01:26:28,720 --> 01:26:32,240 Speaker 1: title Lost Cultures with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang, and 1490 01:26:32,320 --> 01:26:35,320 Speaker 1: we do sixty second rounds on things that we no 1491 01:26:35,520 --> 01:26:38,920 Speaker 1: no no, no no no. Um to quote Destiny's child 1492 01:26:38,960 --> 01:26:41,760 Speaker 1: about this is Matt Rodgers. I don't think so many 1493 01:26:41,800 --> 01:26:44,360 Speaker 1: as time starts now, I don't think so honey boarding school. 1494 01:26:44,720 --> 01:26:51,160 Speaker 1: Don't hid there because no, I don't like any element 1495 01:26:51,240 --> 01:26:53,680 Speaker 1: of it. And I will say this, I feel like 1496 01:26:53,800 --> 01:26:56,840 Speaker 1: I understand my boarding school friends a lot better now 1497 01:26:57,439 --> 01:27:01,760 Speaker 1: for having read this. To me. Feels like you just 1498 01:27:01,880 --> 01:27:04,680 Speaker 1: never get a moment of quiet and a loan to yourself, 1499 01:27:04,680 --> 01:27:06,519 Speaker 1: Like because you go to school with the people that 1500 01:27:06,720 --> 01:27:09,559 Speaker 1: that you, that inhabit rooms with, I understand me make 1501 01:27:09,600 --> 01:27:15,880 Speaker 1: close connections. But Mama, it's called boundaries. Honey boarding school 1502 01:27:15,920 --> 01:27:19,160 Speaker 1: being a place where boundaries thrive, it seems like you 1503 01:27:19,200 --> 01:27:23,640 Speaker 1: can never escape each other and yourself pause for a 1504 01:27:23,720 --> 01:27:29,160 Speaker 1: moment of importance. And it's so important that you get 1505 01:27:29,200 --> 01:27:31,559 Speaker 1: some space, and at a boarding school you get no space. 1506 01:27:31,840 --> 01:27:34,320 Speaker 1: Also not for nothing, but I need to see my 1507 01:27:34,360 --> 01:27:37,040 Speaker 1: mom like that would have been the part that really 1508 01:27:37,040 --> 01:27:39,599 Speaker 1: broke me and stuff. I don't think so honey boarding school, 1509 01:27:39,720 --> 01:27:41,960 Speaker 1: Gus Hicky, my friend, I feel like I understand you better. 1510 01:27:42,000 --> 01:27:46,160 Speaker 1: You went to the school. Oh my god, the school, 1511 01:27:48,840 --> 01:27:51,320 Speaker 1: Oh my god. Oh I knew this and I always knew. 1512 01:27:51,360 --> 01:27:53,320 Speaker 1: I always knew he had like that he went to 1513 01:27:53,360 --> 01:27:55,080 Speaker 1: boarding school, and then hearing about the school, I was like, 1514 01:27:55,080 --> 01:27:58,799 Speaker 1: I have to text my friend. I do think Gus 1515 01:27:58,840 --> 01:28:01,880 Speaker 1: was a day it in. Maybe what does that mean 1516 01:28:01,880 --> 01:28:04,960 Speaker 1: you only go for the day that? Or maybe no, 1517 01:28:05,040 --> 01:28:06,840 Speaker 1: maybe he was a border But I went to a 1518 01:28:06,840 --> 01:28:11,000 Speaker 1: house party at his house because you did. Yeah. Yeah, 1519 01:28:11,120 --> 01:28:13,479 Speaker 1: I got very drunk. Got pulled over on the way 1520 01:28:13,520 --> 01:28:17,040 Speaker 1: there for going, um, what I thought was ninety miles 1521 01:28:17,040 --> 01:28:18,880 Speaker 1: an hour in the fast one. I was going forty 1522 01:28:18,960 --> 01:28:22,519 Speaker 1: two miles an hour in the fast wing. So and 1523 01:28:22,560 --> 01:28:26,120 Speaker 1: I pulled over on the left side for a For 1524 01:28:26,160 --> 01:28:30,960 Speaker 1: a lifelong stoner, you have like total recall. I was gonnay, 1525 01:28:31,240 --> 01:28:35,360 Speaker 1: there are big swats that are gone. Maybe it's that 1526 01:28:36,439 --> 01:28:38,360 Speaker 1: that's the part that got fried. Also, one of my 1527 01:28:38,360 --> 01:28:41,240 Speaker 1: favorite things that happens on Less Coltrisis is when Matt 1528 01:28:41,280 --> 01:28:46,720 Speaker 1: says something and then Bone just repeats it quietly. I 1529 01:28:46,800 --> 01:28:49,519 Speaker 1: realized that Matt has such a command of language and 1530 01:28:49,640 --> 01:28:55,760 Speaker 1: likely completely you do man right. It's the writer in you, 1531 01:28:55,920 --> 01:28:58,160 Speaker 1: like you know how it HiT's the ear. You always 1532 01:28:58,240 --> 01:29:01,880 Speaker 1: find the exact right sequence of syllables that it hits 1533 01:29:01,920 --> 01:29:03,519 Speaker 1: the ear in a way that is indelible, and that's 1534 01:29:03,520 --> 01:29:06,160 Speaker 1: why people repeat your ship all the time. That's that's 1535 01:29:06,200 --> 01:29:08,880 Speaker 1: that's exactly what it is. And you you hold the 1536 01:29:09,120 --> 01:29:11,519 Speaker 1: like the feeling of when you're swinging, and your stomach 1537 01:29:11,520 --> 01:29:14,080 Speaker 1: flips like you hold us there for so long You're like, 1538 01:29:14,120 --> 01:29:16,799 Speaker 1: how is this so sustainable that this sentence is still happening? 1539 01:29:16,800 --> 01:29:19,200 Speaker 1: I still feel butterflies in my stomach because I'm loving 1540 01:29:19,200 --> 01:29:21,479 Speaker 1: the sentence, and then the drop like how is it 1541 01:29:21,520 --> 01:29:25,679 Speaker 1: gonna land? Its okay, But here's the thing. I think, 1542 01:29:25,760 --> 01:29:28,120 Speaker 1: I thank you and I received that. I think I 1543 01:29:28,160 --> 01:29:31,760 Speaker 1: have a very colorful and dare I say, innovative way 1544 01:29:31,800 --> 01:29:35,160 Speaker 1: with words, but the words are not always right and 1545 01:29:35,760 --> 01:29:39,760 Speaker 1: doesn't matter. And this is the surgeon, this is well, 1546 01:29:39,760 --> 01:29:43,040 Speaker 1: this is bone coming in with either a statement of 1547 01:29:43,040 --> 01:29:47,559 Speaker 1: what was incorrect for comedic effect because it is so wrong, 1548 01:29:48,080 --> 01:29:50,400 Speaker 1: or he'll come in and say, actually it's this and 1549 01:29:50,439 --> 01:29:53,240 Speaker 1: move on and I love it. And then there are 1550 01:29:53,320 --> 01:29:55,919 Speaker 1: sometimes like sometimes I will listen back to old episodes 1551 01:29:55,960 --> 01:30:00,840 Speaker 1: and I'll be like, I mean the mean it to 1552 01:30:00,880 --> 01:30:05,160 Speaker 1: give it yeah as a as a homage, Yes, yes, 1553 01:30:05,280 --> 01:30:10,200 Speaker 1: I love bowing. I miss you. I've been missing that 1554 01:30:10,320 --> 01:30:13,439 Speaker 1: a lot. I've been so we've been separated. When are 1555 01:30:13,439 --> 01:30:18,080 Speaker 1: you guys going to get back together? Maybe holidays? New 1556 01:30:18,200 --> 01:30:21,240 Speaker 1: Year's that's too far away, so far away. We're thinking 1557 01:30:21,280 --> 01:30:23,639 Speaker 1: we actually we actually have sort of a loose um 1558 01:30:24,720 --> 01:30:29,519 Speaker 1: New Year's plan. It's gonna be a gag. We're thinking 1559 01:30:29,520 --> 01:30:37,240 Speaker 1: about doing Miami and then Orlando, Florida. Wow for the holidays, 1560 01:30:39,000 --> 01:30:43,080 Speaker 1: No Miami for New Year's and then post New Year's 1561 01:30:43,080 --> 01:30:44,920 Speaker 1: maybe we go up to Orlando and finally right this 1562 01:30:45,040 --> 01:30:52,760 Speaker 1: guardian to the coach starting that, He's like, great, isn't 1563 01:30:52,800 --> 01:30:55,000 Speaker 1: it frustrating that soon you're going to have a full 1564 01:30:55,439 --> 01:30:59,519 Speaker 1: blown child that you have to take. I know, I 1565 01:30:59,560 --> 01:31:01,479 Speaker 1: am excited it to show her the new Little Mermaid? 1566 01:31:01,680 --> 01:31:05,520 Speaker 1: Do you follow? Is it? They have the range? On Instagram? 1567 01:31:06,320 --> 01:31:11,040 Speaker 1: They have the range or the what is it? Um, 1568 01:31:11,120 --> 01:31:14,439 Speaker 1: let's here for the choice. Yes, yes, yes, they have 1569 01:31:14,479 --> 01:31:16,559 Speaker 1: the range and there's their you better sing they have 1570 01:31:16,680 --> 01:31:18,720 Speaker 1: the range and you better Things are too like the 1571 01:31:18,800 --> 01:31:21,920 Speaker 1: craziest and there are people who are singing on top 1572 01:31:22,000 --> 01:31:25,679 Speaker 1: of arials. Oh the clip of part of your world 1573 01:31:25,680 --> 01:31:33,439 Speaker 1: and harmonizing with it. I'm obsessed. Yeah, it's gonna give, 1574 01:31:33,640 --> 01:31:40,479 Speaker 1: it's gonna serve it's gonna eat, it's gonna slay. Okay, 1575 01:31:40,280 --> 01:31:45,519 Speaker 1: who I miss you? Um? Okay, Well, the creator of 1576 01:31:45,560 --> 01:31:47,720 Speaker 1: the show just texted me and said the dance is 1577 01:31:47,760 --> 01:31:51,479 Speaker 1: so fucking good. So my god. The Coreo YouTube's have 1578 01:31:51,600 --> 01:31:54,080 Speaker 1: made their rounds and apparently we're doing good work. Okay, 1579 01:31:54,280 --> 01:31:59,479 Speaker 1: just checking in. My favorite moment of the week, Bowen yangs. 1580 01:31:59,479 --> 01:32:03,759 Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. I don't think so honey. 1581 01:32:04,040 --> 01:32:07,120 Speaker 1: Gum like, I'm not supposed to swallow you, but then 1582 01:32:07,200 --> 01:32:09,960 Speaker 1: if I chew you, you run out of flavor? How's 1583 01:32:10,040 --> 01:32:15,040 Speaker 1: that work? What's that about? The gum technology has not progressed. 1584 01:32:15,439 --> 01:32:18,360 Speaker 1: There's been no change in gum technology in the last 1585 01:32:19,240 --> 01:32:24,080 Speaker 1: forty years. It's crazy. Ask anyone on the street what 1586 01:32:24,360 --> 01:32:28,120 Speaker 1: zilatol is. They'll not tell you because no one knows 1587 01:32:28,200 --> 01:32:31,200 Speaker 1: where it airs. What that is? Start advertising it on 1588 01:32:31,240 --> 01:32:34,800 Speaker 1: the gum and we were promised Willy Wonka levels of 1589 01:32:34,880 --> 01:32:38,040 Speaker 1: candy and gum innovation and we have not reached it. 1590 01:32:38,960 --> 01:32:42,200 Speaker 1: The most the biggest innovation in candy lately has been 1591 01:32:42,240 --> 01:32:45,160 Speaker 1: maybe nerds clusters. They basically took the nerds rope, they 1592 01:32:45,200 --> 01:32:48,280 Speaker 1: cut it up into little chunks. It's the most amazing 1593 01:32:48,320 --> 01:32:52,200 Speaker 1: blend of textures in your mouth. Talk about a mouth feel. 1594 01:32:52,400 --> 01:32:56,240 Speaker 1: But gum, you're not doing anything new. You have not 1595 01:32:56,439 --> 01:33:00,360 Speaker 1: changed or mixed up Angila. I need you to Epita, 1596 01:33:00,800 --> 01:33:05,080 Speaker 1: give us something new. And that's one minute. This this, 1597 01:33:05,240 --> 01:33:08,360 Speaker 1: I'm not dragging you, but this ideology is what's going 1598 01:33:08,439 --> 01:33:11,000 Speaker 1: to lead to AI taking over. You do realize that, right. 1599 01:33:11,200 --> 01:33:15,280 Speaker 1: I'm not saying that. I'm not saying artificial AI is 1600 01:33:15,320 --> 01:33:20,400 Speaker 1: the technology. Not all technology reaches of ideology. I'm saying 1601 01:33:21,960 --> 01:33:27,960 Speaker 1: it is ideologically are there's no AI in targeting the 1602 01:33:28,000 --> 01:33:35,679 Speaker 1: chocolate bacter mom ideology. It's this idea that things must progress. 1603 01:33:35,800 --> 01:33:37,880 Speaker 1: Let's stay on the merry go around. It doesn't have 1604 01:33:37,920 --> 01:33:40,080 Speaker 1: to be a merry go around on a roller coaster. 1605 01:33:40,360 --> 01:33:43,479 Speaker 1: Sometimes things can just be gum. It can run out 1606 01:33:43,720 --> 01:33:45,400 Speaker 1: you're not supposed to all the time. You're gonna hurt 1607 01:33:45,439 --> 01:33:49,519 Speaker 1: your jaw. Gum is out, lollipops are in, lollipops are back, 1608 01:33:49,600 --> 01:33:53,080 Speaker 1: Oh my god. First of all, I think the umbrella 1609 01:33:53,120 --> 01:33:56,759 Speaker 1: could improve as well. Why are we the same eighteen 1610 01:33:56,880 --> 01:34:01,400 Speaker 1: forty model? Because I had this idea of like like 1611 01:34:01,479 --> 01:34:05,080 Speaker 1: city bikes, but for umbrellas like little chaos. Yes, when 1612 01:34:05,120 --> 01:34:07,800 Speaker 1: it's raining you go and then you return it. But 1613 01:34:07,840 --> 01:34:11,800 Speaker 1: the problem is the design of the umbrella sucks, and 1614 01:34:11,920 --> 01:34:14,879 Speaker 1: it would they would all break and you simply cannot 1615 01:34:14,880 --> 01:34:18,720 Speaker 1: be that it's going to come back in condition like 1616 01:34:18,800 --> 01:34:23,360 Speaker 1: better than you found it. I mean, like these umbrella. 1617 01:34:24,520 --> 01:34:27,080 Speaker 1: But I just I don't think this thing of gum 1618 01:34:27,080 --> 01:34:29,360 Speaker 1: that never runs out of flavor is a good idea. 1619 01:34:29,400 --> 01:34:33,920 Speaker 1: I think it's going to lead to dark things. I 1620 01:34:32,840 --> 01:34:35,760 Speaker 1: think I think T MJ will go through the roof. 1621 01:34:36,280 --> 01:34:38,800 Speaker 1: I think technology has come far enough will then make 1622 01:34:38,840 --> 01:34:40,960 Speaker 1: it will then at least make gum edible, like at 1623 01:34:41,040 --> 01:34:47,240 Speaker 1: least like I'm not supposed to swallow you um, Yeah, 1624 01:34:47,280 --> 01:34:50,599 Speaker 1: I can't swallow you want to swallow gum? It's called 1625 01:34:50,720 --> 01:34:55,640 Speaker 1: fucking starbursts. No, you never even thought about that, And 1626 01:34:55,720 --> 01:34:58,000 Speaker 1: that's why you said no one looked down So is 1627 01:34:58,040 --> 01:35:00,479 Speaker 1: because you hadn't even thought of starburst where you were like, 1628 01:35:00,520 --> 01:35:03,320 Speaker 1: why can't I swallow my gum? And pitched and pitched 1629 01:35:03,320 --> 01:35:09,160 Speaker 1: a fit. It's time to move on. It's a Sunday, Betty, 1630 01:35:09,200 --> 01:35:12,240 Speaker 1: Are you ready? I am? I I just I thought 1631 01:35:12,280 --> 01:35:16,559 Speaker 1: of it right before I realized I didn't have one. 1632 01:35:16,920 --> 01:35:19,200 Speaker 1: I hope you haven't done this. It doesn't matter. It 1633 01:35:19,439 --> 01:35:22,040 Speaker 1: doesn't matter because you, as you've proven with the book, 1634 01:35:22,080 --> 01:35:24,200 Speaker 1: all the women in my brain are going to give 1635 01:35:24,240 --> 01:35:28,680 Speaker 1: it your own classic spin. Oh man, okay, this is 1636 01:35:28,680 --> 01:35:31,080 Speaker 1: Betty Gilpin's I don't think so, honey. Her time starts now. 1637 01:35:31,400 --> 01:35:35,600 Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. The death of the standing ovation? 1638 01:35:35,880 --> 01:35:40,960 Speaker 1: Where did we go wrong? A standing ovation is meant 1639 01:35:41,000 --> 01:35:45,439 Speaker 1: for when you are so overwhelmed and you your your 1640 01:35:45,520 --> 01:35:48,920 Speaker 1: life has been changed by a performance that you leap 1641 01:35:49,080 --> 01:35:52,360 Speaker 1: to your feet because you can no longer sit physically, 1642 01:35:52,800 --> 01:35:56,000 Speaker 1: and the whole group does it together, and it's it's 1643 01:35:56,040 --> 01:36:00,879 Speaker 1: a once a year maximum or or once a decade. 1644 01:36:02,160 --> 01:36:06,400 Speaker 1: I'm so embarrassed and like I my throat clothes thinking 1645 01:36:06,400 --> 01:36:09,559 Speaker 1: about it, by these fifteen minute long standing ovations whatever? 1646 01:36:09,760 --> 01:36:13,040 Speaker 1: Like when when these movies are ending as everyone being 1647 01:36:13,080 --> 01:36:15,360 Speaker 1: like and now we have to fucking stand up for 1648 01:36:15,600 --> 01:36:19,559 Speaker 1: fifteen minutes? And who was very talented? All these people 1649 01:36:19,560 --> 01:36:23,960 Speaker 1: are very talented. We've we've hyperbolized ourselves into the sky. 1650 01:36:24,120 --> 01:36:27,519 Speaker 1: How are we supposed to think any compliment means anything anymore? 1651 01:36:27,600 --> 01:36:30,200 Speaker 1: It doesn't make sense. The guillotines are too sharp, the 1652 01:36:30,200 --> 01:36:32,439 Speaker 1: pedestals are too high. Let's meet in the middle with 1653 01:36:32,520 --> 01:36:34,759 Speaker 1: some truth. I don't think so, honey. The standing ovation, 1654 01:36:37,200 --> 01:36:42,360 Speaker 1: So you are arguing for muted responses. No, I mean 1655 01:36:42,439 --> 01:36:48,240 Speaker 1: we're talking about yeah, sorry, choose when, choose when to do? 1656 01:36:48,600 --> 01:36:53,479 Speaker 1: Like I remember my m my, my great uncle or 1657 01:36:53,520 --> 01:36:55,720 Speaker 1: something was like a Broadway producer and he was the 1658 01:36:55,760 --> 01:36:57,920 Speaker 1: first person who are one of the first people who 1659 01:36:58,600 --> 01:37:01,759 Speaker 1: helped move guys and doll balls to Broadway and talked 1660 01:37:01,760 --> 01:37:04,559 Speaker 1: about how when they first sang sit down your rock 1661 01:37:04,600 --> 01:37:06,599 Speaker 1: in the boat, like the whole audience was like they 1662 01:37:06,640 --> 01:37:08,679 Speaker 1: were going to rip their chairs out of the ground 1663 01:37:08,760 --> 01:37:10,600 Speaker 1: and lead to their feet, and they made him do 1664 01:37:10,640 --> 01:37:15,160 Speaker 1: it like four more times like in that performance and 1665 01:37:15,160 --> 01:37:17,960 Speaker 1: that and I know they did that with um You're 1666 01:37:18,000 --> 01:37:21,040 Speaker 1: Gonna Love Me Jennifer Holiday, Like the standing ovation was 1667 01:37:21,120 --> 01:37:23,160 Speaker 1: so raucous that they were like, we got to do 1668 01:37:23,240 --> 01:37:27,639 Speaker 1: this song again, Oh my god. And I just like 1669 01:37:27,760 --> 01:37:32,640 Speaker 1: we've just the concept of the standing ovation and the compliment. 1670 01:37:32,760 --> 01:37:35,920 Speaker 1: We just it's too much. How do we know? How 1671 01:37:35,920 --> 01:37:39,639 Speaker 1: do we know what's wrong and what's real? There were 1672 01:37:39,760 --> 01:37:42,040 Speaker 1: five when we saw a Funny Girl last week, and 1673 01:37:42,040 --> 01:37:44,360 Speaker 1: we did feel that they were earned, Like we definitely 1674 01:37:44,360 --> 01:37:48,240 Speaker 1: did leap up with everyone else, like you know what's 1675 01:37:48,280 --> 01:37:51,000 Speaker 1: cool would suck me up is like you're watching this 1676 01:37:51,040 --> 01:37:53,519 Speaker 1: movie that you're a part of whatever, Like are doing 1677 01:37:53,560 --> 01:37:55,160 Speaker 1: a show that you're a part of whatever. It gets 1678 01:37:55,240 --> 01:37:59,320 Speaker 1: a eight to nine minute Toronto International Film Festival or 1679 01:37:59,360 --> 01:38:03,400 Speaker 1: any of these film festival ask talking about the film festival. 1680 01:38:04,920 --> 01:38:07,200 Speaker 1: But but this is what I'm saying is it's like 1681 01:38:07,600 --> 01:38:09,960 Speaker 1: then you walk out and the reviews hit and people 1682 01:38:09,960 --> 01:38:14,559 Speaker 1: are like, we didn't like this exactly exactly, stood and 1683 01:38:14,720 --> 01:38:18,400 Speaker 1: clapped your hands wrong. Yes, yeah, yeah, And I feel 1684 01:38:18,400 --> 01:38:22,600 Speaker 1: like I have felt that change in the industry in 1685 01:38:22,720 --> 01:38:24,920 Speaker 1: terms of like while you're making something and then the 1686 01:38:24,960 --> 01:38:27,680 Speaker 1: immediate like the first people who see it like what 1687 01:38:27,720 --> 01:38:32,400 Speaker 1: we've done is we've changed film and yeah, and wait 1688 01:38:32,479 --> 01:38:35,400 Speaker 1: until you and so the hyper legal and then the 1689 01:38:35,479 --> 01:38:38,360 Speaker 1: first thing it hits is the Internet, which is the 1690 01:38:38,360 --> 01:38:42,040 Speaker 1: opposite of like you deserve to die. And then like 1691 01:38:42,240 --> 01:38:45,879 Speaker 1: a year later the truth emerges of like it's somewhere 1692 01:38:45,880 --> 01:38:49,240 Speaker 1: in the middle. It's like people don't even really get 1693 01:38:49,360 --> 01:38:52,840 Speaker 1: exactly or like you didn't change the form, and you 1694 01:38:52,920 --> 01:38:56,280 Speaker 1: didn't you don't deserve the death penalty. You made a 1695 01:38:56,360 --> 01:39:00,760 Speaker 1: thing that's part good and part bad. There, yeah, but 1696 01:39:00,960 --> 01:39:04,439 Speaker 1: you're your whole stating ovation thing. Um, thank you for 1697 01:39:04,520 --> 01:39:06,920 Speaker 1: putting for putting Crazy for You back on the map 1698 01:39:06,960 --> 01:39:10,600 Speaker 1: in your book. That is an excellent musical musical. You 1699 01:39:10,600 --> 01:39:13,880 Speaker 1: ever saw Crazy for You? Yes? With Jody Benson? Oh 1700 01:39:13,920 --> 01:39:18,600 Speaker 1: my god, yeah she wasnt Yes, And I cannot find 1701 01:39:18,880 --> 01:39:21,360 Speaker 1: the soundtrack is not on Spotify, not on iTunes, on 1702 01:39:21,760 --> 01:39:30,400 Speaker 1: neshing limids like what Disney's gone? Um No, her voice 1703 01:39:30,439 --> 01:39:34,080 Speaker 1: singing those gros one songs, unbelievable. There are two clips 1704 01:39:34,080 --> 01:39:39,599 Speaker 1: of it. But she is a talent, Like she's a talent. 1705 01:39:40,840 --> 01:39:43,720 Speaker 1: She really is fun. Wait, but did you this is 1706 01:39:43,720 --> 01:39:44,960 Speaker 1: a shot in the dark. But did you listen to 1707 01:39:44,960 --> 01:39:47,200 Speaker 1: her interview? Um, what that she did with Danny pelle 1708 01:39:47,200 --> 01:39:50,200 Speaker 1: Grenow and everything iconic? You really should know. I heard 1709 01:39:50,240 --> 01:39:52,320 Speaker 1: you talking about it. But I have I have to 1710 01:39:53,120 --> 01:39:57,120 Speaker 1: such a nice like he asked such good questions about 1711 01:39:57,160 --> 01:40:01,920 Speaker 1: just like being a singer capital s hard are who 1712 01:40:01,960 --> 01:40:04,320 Speaker 1: then goes in to do this acting piece as like 1713 01:40:04,360 --> 01:40:07,760 Speaker 1: a child's cartoon and then just like getting there and 1714 01:40:07,800 --> 01:40:11,400 Speaker 1: just I don't know the human voice everyone, I've always 1715 01:40:11,400 --> 01:40:14,000 Speaker 1: thought that part of your world should be done as 1716 01:40:14,360 --> 01:40:18,519 Speaker 1: a woman realizing she is a terrible quarter like you 1717 01:40:18,600 --> 01:40:22,040 Speaker 1: want you want seeing them abobs I've got. Oh my god, 1718 01:40:24,360 --> 01:40:34,960 Speaker 1: look at this. I'm crazy. I have to go the ocean. 1719 01:40:39,000 --> 01:40:42,160 Speaker 1: You think our compliments aren't real. No, no, my god, no, 1720 01:40:42,160 --> 01:40:44,720 Speaker 1: no, no no, no, no, when they're to me, I know 1721 01:40:44,840 --> 01:40:51,040 Speaker 1: that honestly, you know you know what. I haven't seen 1722 01:40:51,360 --> 01:40:54,280 Speaker 1: that that you just recently did that I'm really excited about, 1723 01:40:54,320 --> 01:40:55,840 Speaker 1: and I keep wanting to see it. But it is 1724 01:40:55,880 --> 01:40:57,759 Speaker 1: on stars, which is the only thing that was stopping 1725 01:40:57,760 --> 01:41:01,639 Speaker 1: because I don't have it. I want as starts. No one. Well, 1726 01:41:01,720 --> 01:41:05,200 Speaker 1: I mean there's so many. There's so many like platforms now, 1727 01:41:05,200 --> 01:41:07,559 Speaker 1: and I already feel like I already feel like I 1728 01:41:07,600 --> 01:41:09,559 Speaker 1: have everything, and then something comes out that I really 1729 01:41:09,560 --> 01:41:11,000 Speaker 1: want to see and I'm like, oh, I don't have 1730 01:41:11,080 --> 01:41:14,240 Speaker 1: that one, Like like, there's so many. Do you guys 1731 01:41:14,240 --> 01:41:18,320 Speaker 1: have peacock Peacock? Because I love housework? Oh right, okay, 1732 01:41:18,320 --> 01:41:22,040 Speaker 1: great great great is a beautiful place. But none, none, none, 1733 01:41:23,080 --> 01:41:28,800 Speaker 1: it's gonna love love. I love peacock. Peacock got so 1734 01:41:28,880 --> 01:41:31,600 Speaker 1: much of my actual because that's another thing. It's like 1735 01:41:31,640 --> 01:41:34,160 Speaker 1: you you you pay for all these streamers and then 1736 01:41:34,200 --> 01:41:36,840 Speaker 1: you actually sit like zoom out and think which one 1737 01:41:36,880 --> 01:41:39,960 Speaker 1: do I actually use like out there for me? Yeah? 1738 01:41:40,479 --> 01:41:43,439 Speaker 1: Am I TV plus though, or only when the Morning 1739 01:41:43,439 --> 01:41:47,519 Speaker 1: Show is out right right right right right? Yeah, by 1740 01:41:47,560 --> 01:41:50,479 Speaker 1: the way, I mean, I just can't wait for that. 1741 01:41:50,520 --> 01:41:52,680 Speaker 1: Oh my god, you need to get on that. I do, 1742 01:41:52,760 --> 01:41:54,960 Speaker 1: I do, I know, I mean like, I mean like 1743 01:41:55,000 --> 01:41:59,600 Speaker 1: Betty needs to get a role on it. Oh, you 1744 01:41:59,640 --> 01:42:03,439 Speaker 1: need to it on that. Yeah, But you do know that. 1745 01:42:03,520 --> 01:42:06,360 Speaker 1: Every time I see a good show or see a 1746 01:42:06,400 --> 01:42:08,760 Speaker 1: good film, or like I'm thinking about even writing something, 1747 01:42:08,760 --> 01:42:10,439 Speaker 1: I'm always like, and how would Betty be in it? 1748 01:42:10,560 --> 01:42:13,080 Speaker 1: I literally I'm always like, Where's what's the part of 1749 01:42:13,120 --> 01:42:14,800 Speaker 1: the show that Betty could play? Like I do watch 1750 01:42:14,800 --> 01:42:17,920 Speaker 1: Morning Show and I'm like, where's Betty kept Betting in there? 1751 01:42:18,720 --> 01:42:21,519 Speaker 1: It's because you're number one. Do a show where you 1752 01:42:21,520 --> 01:42:24,680 Speaker 1: have a long ponytail, and you're dresses Aaron Brackwitch and 1753 01:42:24,680 --> 01:42:26,439 Speaker 1: you're wrapped in silks by the door with a ship, 1754 01:42:26,560 --> 01:42:30,479 Speaker 1: and so can I ask your questions? So with me 1755 01:42:30,520 --> 01:42:32,280 Speaker 1: with this long ponytail and your vision of us when 1756 01:42:32,320 --> 01:42:34,759 Speaker 1: I sort of stow up to the bank bowen and silks? 1757 01:42:34,840 --> 01:42:37,439 Speaker 1: Is he also like is he presenting female? I think 1758 01:42:37,439 --> 01:42:39,599 Speaker 1: I'm bald? No, no, no, I don't think I think 1759 01:42:39,600 --> 01:42:46,840 Speaker 1: it's sort of like you're you dressed in and you're 1760 01:42:47,560 --> 01:42:51,720 Speaker 1: dressed in purple to the sky. Yeah, okay, got it. Yeah, 1761 01:42:51,920 --> 01:42:54,439 Speaker 1: Well you know, I I every time I see Kate 1762 01:42:54,479 --> 01:42:56,599 Speaker 1: Hudson in the project, that's who I am. So that's 1763 01:42:56,680 --> 01:42:58,639 Speaker 1: I guess when I'm stomping around going to the bank, 1764 01:42:58,680 --> 01:43:01,519 Speaker 1: I'm Kate Hudson, right right, right, Yeah. It's just on 1765 01:43:01,560 --> 01:43:04,920 Speaker 1: a vision board. You're the piccolo Aaron Rockovich and we've 1766 01:43:04,960 --> 01:43:09,479 Speaker 1: got bassoon, purple silks, just things that I'm adding to 1767 01:43:09,479 --> 01:43:12,760 Speaker 1: the boards. I'm going to use this just like for 1768 01:43:12,800 --> 01:43:15,920 Speaker 1: my own subconscious like you know, like sort of like 1769 01:43:16,520 --> 01:43:20,920 Speaker 1: as I'm working through something. Wow, amazing, thank you, Thank 1770 01:43:20,960 --> 01:43:25,400 Speaker 1: you guys. Well, well what else to say? I mean, 1771 01:43:25,520 --> 01:43:29,240 Speaker 1: this is it's it's such a great read, and like, honestly, 1772 01:43:29,320 --> 01:43:32,120 Speaker 1: if you want to just um be smiling at a 1773 01:43:32,160 --> 01:43:35,920 Speaker 1: book with full teeth, um pick up All the Women 1774 01:43:35,920 --> 01:43:39,280 Speaker 1: in My Brain, which is available now by our literal 1775 01:43:39,640 --> 01:43:43,639 Speaker 1: Um limitless guests. I mean, you're the best, and we're 1776 01:43:43,640 --> 01:43:45,960 Speaker 1: so happy that you came back. Thank you so much 1777 01:43:46,040 --> 01:43:47,720 Speaker 1: for having me. I love you guys so much. I 1778 01:43:47,800 --> 01:43:50,519 Speaker 1: really do love you. But we love you, love you. 1779 01:43:50,720 --> 01:43:52,559 Speaker 1: But I wish. I really wish we could have been 1780 01:43:52,600 --> 01:43:54,080 Speaker 1: in the same because I remember there was like a 1781 01:43:54,080 --> 01:43:55,360 Speaker 1: loose thing where maybe we were all going to be 1782 01:43:55,400 --> 01:43:57,479 Speaker 1: in l A and then that so didn't happen. I 1783 01:43:58,400 --> 01:44:01,559 Speaker 1: know we will join together, We will join together. Yeah, 1784 01:44:01,560 --> 01:44:03,720 Speaker 1: I'll be back in New York in December. Yes, we 1785 01:44:03,760 --> 01:44:07,000 Speaker 1: will all join together in New York. But until then, bowen, 1786 01:44:07,479 --> 01:44:11,480 Speaker 1: what do we do at the end of every episode? 1787 01:44:11,680 --> 01:44:14,040 Speaker 1: And this is this is a throwback to your last episode, 1788 01:44:24,439 --> 01:44:36,760 Speaker 1: I'm crossing. What did I change the key? No? I 1789 01:44:36,800 --> 01:44:40,439 Speaker 1: think I just my basement was too low into our 1790 01:44:40,479 --> 01:44:42,679 Speaker 1: basements are so much lower than they were three years ago, 1791 01:44:42,680 --> 01:44:45,040 Speaker 1: because of the years, because of the years. We didn't 1792 01:44:45,080 --> 01:44:47,000 Speaker 1: pick a title up? Should it be the years? Dot 1793 01:44:47,040 --> 01:44:51,840 Speaker 1: dot dot? I think? But that's not about that's about us. 1794 01:44:51,840 --> 01:44:54,360 Speaker 1: It's not about our No, no, no, but no, that's 1795 01:44:55,040 --> 01:45:01,519 Speaker 1: I approved gets in magic and anyway, happy you all 1796 01:45:01,520 --> 01:45:04,240 Speaker 1: shared it with that thought practice readers, Bye bye you 1797 01:45:04,760 --> 01:45:10,640 Speaker 1: love love you h