1 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:06,119 Speaker 1: People are literally starving on the streets of Tilarrian Vicelia. 2 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: We started feeding people in the streets and it was 3 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:10,559 Speaker 1: a game changer. It taught us what we needed to 4 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 1: know about people experiencing homelessness. But the back of your mind, meanwhile, 5 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: I got the wheels turn. 6 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 2: On this village to build a village, right. 7 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:20,320 Speaker 1: And I needed a movement because I needed support right 8 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:23,319 Speaker 1: in a lot of ways. Money, volunteers, all those things I. 9 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 3: Talk about a village, those are houses, houses, a development. Yes, 10 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 3: this is not cheap. 11 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 1: No, it wasn't cheap. I say this a lot, and 12 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:34,479 Speaker 1: I still think it's true that, Yes, our work is around, 13 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:36,479 Speaker 1: you know, homelessness. But I always say, this is just 14 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:38,199 Speaker 1: my sneaky little way to teach people to love each 15 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 1: other better. 16 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 3: Welcome to an army of normal folks. I'm Bill Courtney. 17 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 3: I'm a normal guy. I'm a husband, I'm a father, 18 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 3: I'm an entrepreneur, and I've been a football coach in 19 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 3: Inner City Memphis. And that last part, somehow it led 20 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 3: to an oscar for the film about our team. That 21 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 3: movie's called Undefeated. I believe our country's problems will never 22 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 3: be solved by a bunch of fancy people in nice 23 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 3: suits using big words that really nobody ever uses on 24 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 3: CNN and Fox, but rather by an army of normal folks. 25 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:19,040 Speaker 3: That's us, just you and me deciding, Hey, you know what, 26 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 3: maybe I can help. That's what Adrianne Hillman, the voice 27 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 3: you just start, has done. Adrianne is the founder of 28 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:33,319 Speaker 3: Salt and Light, which lives in community with people experiencing homelessness, 29 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 3: both figuratively and literally. They built what's called the Neighborhood 30 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 3: Village with fifty homes for people experiencing homelessness and three 31 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 3: homes for missional residents. Because community, well, as she teaches us, 32 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 3: community changes everything. I cannot wait for you to meet 33 00:01:55,960 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 3: Adrianne right after these brief messages from our general sponsors. 34 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 3: Adrian Adrian Adrian Adrian, Adrian, Adrian Adrianne Hillman. 35 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 2: How are you? 36 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 1: I am so good. 37 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 2: Welcome to Memphis. Thank you everybody. Adrian. 38 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 3: And it's it's spelled A d R A N N E, 39 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 3: which feels like you know, Rockies Adrian, but it's Adrian. 40 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 2: Did I there's an A D R I A. 41 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 3: Mom? 42 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 1: Why didn't you just name me Adrian, like seriously would 43 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 1: have been Adrianne. Yes, I spent half my life correcting people. 44 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 3: Okay, well, and you corrected me before we went on air, 45 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 3: and the first thing out of my mouth. 46 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 2: I screwed it up. 47 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:51,799 Speaker 1: My husband called me that for a long time. 48 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 2: He got it. 49 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 3: Adrianne is here. She is the founder and CEO of 50 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 3: Salt and Light. It's from the So. 51 00:02:59,200 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 2: What is it? 52 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 1: Delia vice Elia. 53 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 2: Vadelia Vicealia. 54 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 3: That's right, I did it, all right, Founder and CEO 55 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 3: of Salt Light from Delia with an s California. We 56 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:14,360 Speaker 3: can't wait to tell you your story. It's only everybody. 57 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 3: It's ten in the morning, and she came from California. 58 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 1: I was supposed to fly in last night. 59 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:20,839 Speaker 2: So now you're on a six am or something. 60 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I got to be on the Red Eye. 61 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 2: I got super fun to stay in the weekend. That's right, 62 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 2: all right? Cool, Well, I hope. 63 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 3: You enjoy all right, So, uh, We're gonna certainly get 64 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 3: Salt Light because that's why you're here and the work 65 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 3: that you've done. I've seen a YouTube video and I've 66 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 3: read all of Alex's prep work, and I have a 67 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 3: thousand questions for you. But first, before we get to that, 68 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 3: tell us about Tipton California, and where you came from, 69 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 3: and I think it's called Tilayr. I'll probably screwed that 70 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 3: up to. 71 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 2: And close Larry Hilarry. So to Larry, Oh, for gosh. 72 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 1: Sake, I know, man. 73 00:03:58,800 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 2: I'm sorry. 74 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 3: So the San Joaquin Valley I said that, right, although 75 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 3: expelled Joa Quinn. So I'm not Spanish clearly. So give 76 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:16,159 Speaker 3: us a little background about you. Where are you from, 77 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 3: how you grew up, kind of establish who you are 78 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 3: as a human being. 79 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:21,720 Speaker 1: All right. I grew up in the middle of a 80 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 1: cornfield in Tipton, California. So Tipton is at most has 81 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:32,160 Speaker 1: a thousand people, maybe pretty spread out, it's that's right. 82 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 1: And grew up on a dairy. My family on my 83 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 1: dad's side Portuguese descent. There's a pretty large population of 84 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 1: Portuguese folks in the Central Valley of California. And so 85 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:47,039 Speaker 1: central Valley California for folks who don't know, is we 86 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:50,599 Speaker 1: are right smack between Fresno and Bakersfield. So anybody's familiar. 87 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 2: With fread basket of the world, that's right. 88 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:53,720 Speaker 1: So grew up in a farming family. 89 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 2: My dad is your family farm? 90 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 1: Oh? Absolutely? My dad grew corn and cotton and alfalfa. 91 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 2: Does that mean you were out of I was a 92 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 2: kid working with your dad on the farm many. 93 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:05,600 Speaker 1: Little He didn't really want us on tractors. We had 94 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:08,039 Speaker 1: a couple of accidents on our farm that were fatal, 95 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 1: and I think he wanted us to I I grew 96 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:14,279 Speaker 1: up with three sisters. Yeah, no brothers, to his chagrin, 97 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:16,600 Speaker 1: but I mean he loves us now, but I loved 98 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:18,280 Speaker 1: us then. But I mean he was really wanted to. 99 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. I just killed that poor guy. 100 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:26,599 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a lot going on. So no, I 101 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:28,480 Speaker 1: used to We actually lived about a mile from our dairy, 102 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 1: and I'd get on my bike and I'd ride my 103 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 1: bike down the canal. We had a canal bank right 104 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 1: next to us, and I'd ride it to the dairy, 105 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 1: right to my grandma's house, and spent a lot of 106 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: time on the dairy, picked figs on her out of 107 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 1: her tree and tomatoes out of her garden, and went 108 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 1: and teased the bulls in the in the pins. We 109 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:45,039 Speaker 1: didn't get in the pens because that wasn't a good idea. 110 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 1: But so, yeah, I grew up on my family dairy 111 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:48,919 Speaker 1: and it was just it was a It was a 112 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 1: good life. You know, rural, and then went on to 113 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 1: Fresle State. I didn't leave. I never really left the valley. 114 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 2: The Bulldogs, Yeah, a bulldog who was the Fresno When 115 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 2: did you go to college? 116 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:02,280 Speaker 1: So I graduated in two thousand. 117 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 2: First State's pretty good in football back in those days. 118 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 1: That was Derek. 119 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:08,160 Speaker 2: He's back. 120 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 1: He moved to Fresno. He's been moving back to Fresnoe. Yeah, this, 121 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 1: he just decided to move back. 122 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:14,599 Speaker 3: I could pretty much relate anything in the world to football, 123 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 3: and I could talk about it. 124 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:17,840 Speaker 2: But the Bulldogs were good. And I can't remember the 125 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:20,040 Speaker 2: head coach's name. He was good. 126 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:21,040 Speaker 1: He was a really good coach. 127 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that Fresno State was worth going to back 128 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:25,720 Speaker 2: in those days. 129 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 1: You know, it was a great college. And I you know, 130 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 1: it's not super sexy. You know, there's no beach anywhere near. 131 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 1: It's not like a super duper college town. But I 132 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 1: loved it. I loved Fresno State, and I was really 133 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 1: happy with my education and did that, stayed around and 134 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 1: got married and had three little boys. 135 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:42,840 Speaker 2: Your husband at Presno State. 136 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 1: No, I actually so. The husband mister Hillman, mister Scott Hillman, 137 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 1: who I'm married to now is my second husband, I say, yep, 138 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 1: and so my first husband, father of my children. I 139 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:55,720 Speaker 1: met him at my dad's racetrack. So my dad also 140 00:06:55,760 --> 00:07:00,600 Speaker 1: has a racetrack. So cars cars, okay, dirt cars, so 141 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 1: dirt track of four ten three sixties mini sprints, you know, 142 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 1: and so a' racing family. My dad's a dragstrew driver, 143 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 1: so and a farmer. So I kind of have some 144 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 1: interesting history. 145 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 2: You know. 146 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 3: Honestly, when you hear La, or you hear California and 147 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 3: you flew out LA, you think that you think you're 148 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 3: a country girl. 149 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but I flew out of LA because I 150 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 1: have business in LA. When I get back, and I 151 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 1: spent a lot of time in La. I love LA. 152 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 1: I actually love LA and San Francisco. I love California 153 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 1: and where I live it's the best place because well, 154 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 1: first of all, we're at the base of the Sequoias. 155 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 1: So Tillarry County is the home to the sequoias, the 156 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 1: giant sequoia trees, which are miraculous and everyone should come 157 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 1: to see them. They're they're inexplicable. I mean, I can't 158 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 1: describe just they're amazing. And so we're at the base 159 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 1: of Yosemite. About hour half out of Yosemite, we can 160 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 1: ski and surf in the same day, and I know 161 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: people who have done it. We're about two hours from 162 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 1: the beach and three hours out of San Francisco, two 163 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 1: and a half out of LA. It's kind of perfect. 164 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: I mean, it's also very rural. There are more cows 165 00:07:57,480 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 1: than people per capita in Tillarry County. True. 166 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 3: Well, there's more churches than gas stations in Memphis, so 167 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 3: we all. 168 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 2: Have our things. 169 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, we have a lot of churches to yes. Yeah, 170 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 1: and incidentally, unfortunately a lot of folks experiencing homelesses too. 171 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 2: Yeah. 172 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 3: All right, so it sounds like a pretty organic I 173 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 3: mean honestly, with the farm and the dirt track and everything, 174 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 3: it sounds like a cool, maybe middle upper middle lifestyle. 175 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 3: Coming up with a tight family. You used to ride 176 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 3: your bike to your grandparents, so I assume pretty organic, 177 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 3: multi generational. 178 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 1: Oh yeah. 179 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 2: Went to school close to home. 180 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 1: Right for miss California. I was Miss Hillarry County. That 181 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:40,959 Speaker 1: was part of my college, paid for part of my college, 182 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 1: and you know, I stuck around. I was definitely So. 183 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 2: Would you do for a living out of college? 184 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 1: Right out of college? Incidentally, I was an investment rep 185 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 1: for Edward Jones, and I love Edward Jones as a company, 186 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 1: but hated the job. Just didn't want to sell people investments. 187 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 1: A nine to eleven hit at the time. When I 188 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 1: was a broker, a young broker in a field where 189 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 1: it was ninety six percent men, you know, and I 190 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:07,679 Speaker 1: was twenty two years old. It wasn't the easiest to 191 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 1: get business, and I just didn't love it, and then 192 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:13,439 Speaker 1: ended up having kids. I started having my first son 193 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 1: I had when he was twenty when I was twenty five, 194 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 1: and stayed home with them, and then eventually went through 195 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 1: a painful divorce. And then I was a professionally trained 196 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 1: life coach. I had a practice as a life coach 197 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 1: and a speaker, and was it was hosting retreats for 198 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 1: women and talking about boundaries and integrity and kind of 199 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:33,960 Speaker 1: working through fear and some of those things. I had 200 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 1: a brand like. 201 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:36,719 Speaker 2: You might have learned some of that yourself. 202 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:39,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, do It Afraid. I had a brand called 203 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:42,319 Speaker 1: do It Afraid that I trademarked, and I utilized that 204 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:44,199 Speaker 1: as an empowerment brand to kind of teach women to 205 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 1: use their fear as raw material for courage. You know, 206 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:50,559 Speaker 1: and did that and then and then this whole thing unfolded, so. 207 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 2: Which we'll get to the stool. Yeah yeah, so. 208 00:09:55,360 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 3: Again, cool life, doing your thing, me upbringing three sisters. 209 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 3: I bet you're probably pretty close too, if you're anything 210 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 3: like or at least and my four children. 211 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 2: Are very close. 212 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:13,080 Speaker 3: And I get it, but and not at all in 213 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 3: an disperiencing way. But it's not like that's this remarkable 214 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:19,560 Speaker 3: life or somebody's tapping you on the shoulder and say, 215 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 3: go do something for the community. You're just living a 216 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:24,200 Speaker 3: normal life. 217 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 2: Yeah. 218 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, but I've always had I mean, I've always wanted 219 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 1: to do I like doing work for the community, so 220 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 1: that was important. But that's not what this was. That's 221 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 1: not how this happened though. That wasn't even that. It 222 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 1: really came like as a call that I didn't want 223 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 1: to be frank. I mean, I've never been anywhere near homelessness. 224 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 1: I have had privilege. You kind of touched on that. Yeah, No, 225 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:48,840 Speaker 1: how it all came to be was pretty crazy. 226 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:53,200 Speaker 3: Really, So let's start with this and then we'll let 227 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 3: you unfold it. 228 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 2: And I have some questions about it. 229 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:02,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, I love pushback on oh goody oh hey, these 230 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:03,839 Speaker 1: are my favorite interviews. 231 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 3: But my pushback I'm not even sure if I believe it, 232 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 3: but I think many of our listeners might have it, 233 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 3: So I want to address it and let's just hash 234 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 3: it out a little. 235 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 1: I would love it, and I will guess that I've 236 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:18,560 Speaker 1: been asked this question. 237 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 2: About, oh, with what you do. I'm sure you are. 238 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:26,359 Speaker 1: It's just interesting how similar our misconceptions or even beliefs 239 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:30,680 Speaker 1: around homelessness, how homogenous they are really across the country. 240 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 1: It's really interesting. 241 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:32,680 Speaker 2: So you broke the egg. 242 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 3: We'll go ahead and let everybody in on the thirty 243 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:37,839 Speaker 3: thousand foot view before we get into the weeds. Salt 244 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 3: and Light Adrian Anne started Salt and Light and it 245 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:47,679 Speaker 3: was to assist folks who are experiencing homelessness. 246 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 2: Did I say that right? Okay? 247 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 1: I love it. 248 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 2: I was a beating with her before the interview whether 249 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 2: you do it. You didn't even say a word to 250 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 2: me about it, and I got it right. 251 00:11:57,040 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 3: And it started very small, hasn't exploded like many of 252 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:03,200 Speaker 3: our guests. And we're going to get to all that. 253 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 3: So folks who experience homelessness are what your work is about. 254 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 3: But first, before we even get to that, and how 255 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:18,080 Speaker 3: you got to it. I read this, there's twenty five 256 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:22,840 Speaker 3: hundred to three thousand people experiencing homelessness in Tilauri County 257 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:26,960 Speaker 3: out of about a half million residents, which to me 258 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:32,320 Speaker 3: is interesting. It's rule so you think of homelessness more 259 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:35,440 Speaker 3: in urban areas. Memphis has an issue with it. San 260 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 3: Francisco certainly does, La and every other much policicity, but 261 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:42,680 Speaker 3: you don't think about it really in the rural areas 262 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 3: as much. And I feel like twenty five hundred and 263 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 3: three thousand out half million is a lot, a lot. 264 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:55,200 Speaker 3: And I think that nearly half of the nation's entire 265 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:59,200 Speaker 3: homeless population is in the state of California. 266 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:03,560 Speaker 2: That's correct. Unpack that a little, all right. 267 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 1: So to talk a little bit about Tillarry County, so. 268 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 2: So that we understand why you went to work in 269 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 2: it in the first place. Yeah. 270 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:12,559 Speaker 1: Well, and I didn't even really totally know all of this, 271 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 1: does I mean, I didn't know how bad the problem 272 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:18,440 Speaker 1: really was. I had a really small view in our 273 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 1: little town. But it's rural. But it also isn't we 274 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 1: have you know, we have cities that are cities that 275 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 1: they're suburban, you know, and that's where most of our folks. 276 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean they're cities, but yeah, but we're not 277 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 3: talking we're not yes, right. 278 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 1: We're not talking metropolitan cities. Fresno would be our closest, 279 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 1: you know, semi metropolitan city. But what I learned early 280 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 1: on was in twenty nineteen, Hudd's report to Congress said 281 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 1: that the Tilarry Kings continue of care. So our area 282 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 1: have the highest per capita rate of chronically homeless unsheltered 283 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:59,560 Speaker 1: folks in the United States. That's crazy, crazy, higher than 284 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 1: San Francis, especially highly. 285 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 2: Here that agriculture people are always looking for workers. 286 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 1: And so so that is a little bit of a 287 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:11,200 Speaker 1: misnomer because Tilry County also is one of the most 288 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 1: poverty stricken counties in California and in the United States. 289 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 1: We're also the least educated, meaning the least amount of 290 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 1: secondary or post high school education. Doesn't mean our educational 291 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 1: system is bad where we are. It means that people 292 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 1: don't stay when they have a bachelor's degree or higher. 293 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 1: And that's tough because that's that affects systems, right, that 294 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 1: affects government, that affects the way we do things in 295 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 1: those spaces. 296 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 2: So they get their degree in leaf, we. 297 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 1: Have what we call brain drain in the Central Valley. 298 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 1: And I'll be frank, I wanted to leave at points too. 299 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 1: I mean, I get the draw. 300 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 2: Nashville is sucking a lot of talent out of Memphis. 301 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 2: Same way. 302 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, so you can understand. And that does change 303 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 1: the way the systems work. It changes funding, it changes 304 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 1: all kinds of things. However, we were also forty years 305 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 1: behind the eight ball in terms of having any kind 306 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 1: of structure or any kind of the shelter system or 307 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 1: anything in place for people experiencing homelessness. And you touched 308 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 1: on work, and you know, it looks like they need workers, 309 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 1: and the problem is this, It's that it's not that 310 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 1: people aren't necessarily getting work. We contend that the greatest 311 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 1: cause of homelessness is a loss of support or family, 312 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 1: because we all know people that are and we know 313 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 1: that there's mental illnesses it's certainly a factor, and addiction, 314 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 1: but we all know people who are mentally ill. We 315 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 1: all know people who are addicted, who are housed. What's 316 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 1: the difference. Difference is when someone loses all support for 317 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 1: whatever reason. This is not to point fingers at the family. Hey, 318 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 1: you're not supporting your people. For whatever reason, someone's lost 319 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 1: their support. And so once that happens, when people get 320 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 1: into the system of homelessness, it is incredibly difficult to 321 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 1: get out. 322 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 3: And now a few messages from our gener sponsors. But 323 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 3: first I hope you'll consider signing up to join the 324 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 3: army at normal Folks dota US. By signing up, you'll 325 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 3: receive a weekly email with short episodes summaries in case 326 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 3: you happen to miss an episode or if you prefer 327 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 3: reading about our incredible guests, we'll be right back. The 328 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 3: fact that half the homelessness that exists in the nation 329 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 3: is in one state, California, admittedly a big stake, but still. 330 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 1: With housing costs that are exorbited. 331 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 2: Well that's a big part of it, huge part of it. 332 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 3: So there's an argument, and I'm going to let you 333 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 3: play with this. This is the pushback, But there's an 334 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 3: argument that in cities like San Francisco that provide basically 335 00:16:57,280 --> 00:17:04,400 Speaker 3: an enormous amount of services for people experiencing homelessness and 336 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 3: even open air areas to often continue to behave to 337 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:15,360 Speaker 3: take part in. 338 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 2: Stuff that probably led to. 339 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 3: Their homelessness in the first place, and they tolerated and 340 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:30,239 Speaker 3: actually work with it so well, and same thing in 341 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:33,199 Speaker 3: some places in LA. That one of the reasons that 342 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:37,679 Speaker 3: homelessness in California is half of the country's homeless population 343 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:43,159 Speaker 3: is because the homeless snow they can go to California 344 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:45,920 Speaker 3: and get services, and so a lot of the homeless 345 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 3: population is not necessarily indigenous, but invited in by some 346 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:55,679 Speaker 3: of those very liberal open programs. When I say liberal, 347 00:17:55,760 --> 00:18:00,800 Speaker 3: I'm not talking politics. I mean open minded, progressive school liberal. 348 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:03,639 Speaker 1: Hey, what you're saying those little yards major So I get. 349 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 3: It, well, I am too, so and we can't get 350 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 3: into politics because Alex gets mad at me. But the 351 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:12,720 Speaker 3: truth is I don't even know what side I'll I 352 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 3: land on anyway. So when I use the word liberal, 353 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:18,439 Speaker 3: I mean it as it is in the definition of 354 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 3: the word liberal, open minded, progressive type thought. The point 355 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:27,359 Speaker 3: is there is a and there's studies on it, there's 356 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 3: data on it, but that yes, California has fifty percent 357 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 3: of the of the homeless population in the United States, 358 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 3: but a big percent of that fifty percent is people 359 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:43,400 Speaker 3: coming from outside the state because they know they can 360 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 3: get services there, thus exacerbating their own problem. 361 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 1: There actually are studies on this. 362 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 2: I know I am. 363 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 1: I know what you're doing. 364 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 2: So I'm going to toss that up for you and 365 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 2: let you take a shot. 366 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:57,719 Speaker 1: Let me let me swing the bat at that. Okay, Well, 367 00:18:57,720 --> 00:18:58,960 Speaker 1: there are a lot of studies that and one of 368 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 1: the things I learned, at least for Larry County, so 369 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 1: we actually did a huge study in to Larry County 370 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 1: kind of figure out where people are coming from, because 371 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:09,879 Speaker 1: there is a pervasive myth across the country that says 372 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 1: people are being you s, it's a myth that people 373 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 1: are being bussed in. 374 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 2: So I just I just mythologically tossed that out there. 375 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 1: Well, at least since I can speak for Toilarry County, 376 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 1: and I think there are other studies that will back 377 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 1: this up to say go for that. Even if you 378 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 1: look at Detroit, Let's say, let's go to a place 379 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 1: that's like freezing cold. I actually have a friend who 380 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:32,200 Speaker 1: doesn't work in Oklahoma City and literally when it gets 381 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 1: super super cold, they're literally chiseling people off the street. 382 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 1: They're freezing to the concrete, it's that cold. But they're 383 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 1: from there. People stay where they're from, by and large. Now, 384 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:47,359 Speaker 1: certainly people move around, but that bit about people moving 385 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:51,159 Speaker 1: to California for it, it's a little issuy and in 386 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:53,680 Speaker 1: Clarry County. I know this for a fact because we've 387 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 1: done the study on it. Ninety one percent of the 388 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:58,400 Speaker 1: people that live in Larry County who are experiencing homelessness 389 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 1: are native to Toilarry County. 390 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 2: So let's take that data. 391 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:05,440 Speaker 1: It's it's real, it's it's it's good data. 392 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 2: I know. 393 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 3: I looked it up before I talked to you, but 394 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:11,639 Speaker 3: I wanted to throw out the counterpoint to that. 395 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, so that you had an opportunity to address it. 396 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:15,119 Speaker 2: Thank you. 397 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:17,720 Speaker 1: I love it. I like, I like your approach. Yeah, 398 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:21,159 Speaker 1: I think that when Also for me, it's like, you 399 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 1: know what when we when when we other people and 400 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 1: we decide that they're from another state, another city, another town, 401 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:32,680 Speaker 1: another country, another another, it's like we forget that we're 402 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 1: actually we all just belong to each other, right and 403 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 1: none of us are healed until we're all here. 404 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, but we can't get into that part yet. Yeah, 405 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:39,879 Speaker 3: that's later. 406 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 2: But the deal is this For me, I agree with you, 407 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:43,200 Speaker 2: but it's later. 408 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:47,400 Speaker 1: Other people's children are my children. Like that's that's kind 409 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 1: of my stance. And it's kind of like if people 410 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:51,879 Speaker 1: are experiencing homeless us and they're starving in front of me, 411 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 1: and like, excuse me, are you from Tillerry County? Because 412 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 1: if you're not, I'm gonna have you go get your 413 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 1: food in the next county. 414 00:20:57,800 --> 00:20:58,400 Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. 415 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:00,119 Speaker 1: I know I've been. 416 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:05,160 Speaker 3: I get all of that. But to understand why that matters, 417 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 3: we have to have a baseline for the bulk of 418 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:13,360 Speaker 3: rational people thinking to understand where the. 419 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 2: Problem comes from. 420 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 3: And if we think the problem comes from, well we're 421 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 3: moving them in. I don't really have a heart for 422 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 3: a problem when you're creating it yourself. Well, if we 423 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:26,159 Speaker 3: can dispel that notion, we can step forward exactly, So 424 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 3: we're dispelling that notion. 425 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 2: The second thing is, then. 426 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:33,880 Speaker 3: If that's not the case, which I used to think 427 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 3: it was, but I've done research and later found out 428 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:36,920 Speaker 3: it is a myth. 429 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:40,160 Speaker 2: I did do it because it's plausible. It actually makes 430 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:40,960 Speaker 2: sense totally. 431 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:43,200 Speaker 3: And when the smart people on Seeing and in Fox 432 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 3: get up there with their nee graphics and their and 433 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:48,719 Speaker 3: their ties and their and their big old words that 434 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 3: I can't pronounce clearly, how I butchered the beginning of this, 435 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 3: and they start saying that stuff well, you're inclined. 436 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 2: To believe it. 437 00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:57,680 Speaker 1: It makes for good TV. 438 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 3: It makes for good TV, and it all also makes 439 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 3: for really good fodder to continue to have us separate 440 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 3: into our policy political corners. 441 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 1: So anyway, and to wash your hands of a problem 442 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 1: we don't want to fix. 443 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:14,680 Speaker 2: Well, it's also true. So that's a myth. 444 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:17,360 Speaker 3: We've established it, and if y'all don't like it, look 445 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:19,400 Speaker 3: it up on Google and find out that you might 446 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:25,640 Speaker 3: have been misled. But there is another fact that half 447 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:27,480 Speaker 3: of the homeless population lives in your state. 448 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 2: So if we're not moving them in the problem right. 449 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 1: So I'll tell you what I own. I have some 450 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:38,199 Speaker 1: boys now they're twenty two, eighteen, and sixteen. Well, my 451 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 1: twenty two year old starts looking for apartments and what 452 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:43,879 Speaker 1: he can probably get his hands on. The around twenty 453 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:45,679 Speaker 1: five hundred bucks a month. Well, I don't know what 454 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,200 Speaker 1: your first mortgage looked like, but mine was nowhere near. 455 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 2: That almost five ninety five. 456 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think mine was something like nine hundred for 457 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 1: a twenty five hundred square foot house. 458 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 2: I was sixteen hundred square feet. 459 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 1: You were in hot cotton, Yeah, look at me go, 460 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:02,639 Speaker 1: But I mean I wasn't hilarry, you know, California. But anyway, 461 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:06,480 Speaker 1: the housing rates are insane. People are really struggling to 462 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:13,120 Speaker 1: stay in housing. And once that happens, if someone wasn't 463 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 1: not already mentally having mental issues or addictive issues before 464 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 1: getting to the streets, and they, let's say they lost 465 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 1: their job, they lost their housing, chances are pretty good 466 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:27,159 Speaker 1: that that's coming next, because living in survival on the streets, 467 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 1: nothing really is more traumatizing to the nervous system. 468 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 2: Adrian. 469 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 3: One of the beautiful things about our country is we 470 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:36,359 Speaker 3: have interstate travel free. You don't have to have a 471 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 3: passport to go from California Mississippi. 472 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 1: A good point. 473 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 3: So if you got that problem, why don't you get 474 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:44,720 Speaker 3: you a fifty seven dollars greyhound bus ticket and haul 475 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 3: ass to somewhere where it doesn't cost that much and 476 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 3: they do need jobs. 477 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:50,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, if you've got the money to do that. 478 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:53,359 Speaker 2: But well, I thought you were going to tell me 479 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:54,440 Speaker 2: about the community part. 480 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 1: Now, well, I mean I would say that getting you know, 481 00:23:57,720 --> 00:23:59,399 Speaker 1: even my own dad, God bless him, and I know 482 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 1: he's going to listen to this. He already told me 483 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 1: he wants to listen to it. But he's Hey, Dad, 484 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 1: he said to me one time, and of course, you know. 485 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 3: I said, does he have a crick in his neck 486 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,640 Speaker 3: from going counterclockwise all his life on a mud truck? 487 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:12,160 Speaker 2: Always looking like. 488 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 1: He actually isn't mud track driver. He's only a drags 489 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:16,960 Speaker 1: for driver. But he has a mud track as an owner. 490 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 1: You know why because he liked to use the road 491 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 1: grader when he was planting cotton, and he uses the 492 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 1: hes going to say, yesterday I drove by the track. 493 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 1: I drove by the racetrack yesterday and I could see 494 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:29,680 Speaker 1: my dad's tahoe. 495 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 2: Which Steve, Hey, Steve, what's up? You're listening. 496 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 1: He's a good dude at a really hard worker. But 497 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:35,680 Speaker 1: he asked me, why can't they just get a job. 498 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 3: I'm giving you an opportunity to just spell the next 499 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 3: thing people will say, which is, there's chicken farms in 500 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 3: Arkansas and apartments for six hundred bucks. There's there's people 501 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:48,159 Speaker 3: in North Mississippi looking for labor all the time and 502 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:50,920 Speaker 3: good jobs where you can live for a thousand bucks 503 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,680 Speaker 3: a month, no problem because the cost of living, obviously 504 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,680 Speaker 3: in parts of the country much less. Why not if 505 00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,679 Speaker 3: you lose your house and your job, leave smooth? 506 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:01,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, just move and go get a job somewhere, And 507 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 1: you're right, It's like people don't want to do that. 508 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:07,399 Speaker 1: They want to stay. That's why we know that that 509 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:11,639 Speaker 1: data we talked about earlier is correct. People basically stay 510 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 1: where they were planted. You know, they want to anyway 511 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:17,360 Speaker 1: they know, but they know where the roots are. I mean, 512 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 1: look at me, I've stayed that whole time, and I 513 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:23,960 Speaker 1: just it's so much more than a job. It's about community. 514 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 1: It's about what who you're surrounded with. It's about where 515 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 1: your roots are. And I know that people move all 516 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:30,640 Speaker 1: over the country from their families. I have a sister 517 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,960 Speaker 1: who lives in Texas. I mean yes, and also she 518 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,439 Speaker 1: had to recreate a new community there in Texas and 519 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:38,120 Speaker 1: a new family because we're all the way in California 520 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:39,440 Speaker 1: and we love her and we get out there when 521 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 1: we can. But you have to create a new life 522 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 1: somewhere else, and that's pretty tough to do, especially if 523 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:48,239 Speaker 1: you are struggling with you know, adverse childhood experiences, if 524 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:50,480 Speaker 1: you've been abused, if you have had some sort of 525 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 1: catastrophic loss of family or support, and so having the 526 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 1: get up mental health issues which we know come from trauma, 527 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:00,400 Speaker 1: and we know that that's what addiction is about, right. 528 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:05,160 Speaker 1: Addiction is not about just crummy people. It's not. It's 529 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 1: about people who are trying to numb a pain. 530 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,159 Speaker 2: Some of the best people are now reformer of it. 531 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:13,360 Speaker 1: Hell yeah, one of my best friends is in recovery. 532 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 1: Is the bravest person I know. You know, it's like, 533 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 1: and we're all if we're trying to numb some of 534 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:21,720 Speaker 1: there's lots of different ways to do it, just some 535 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,679 Speaker 1: of them are more socially acceptable than others, and some 536 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,920 Speaker 1: of them are less destructive than others. On the surface. 537 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:46,960 Speaker 2: We will be right back. Okay, So what we're talking about. 538 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 3: I know you didn't know when you started this education 539 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:53,439 Speaker 3: has evolved, but I think it's important to get to 540 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 3: the education and the evolution of the data and the 541 00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:59,879 Speaker 3: facts before we go back to where you started. To 542 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 3: set the table for our listeners to understand. People aren't 543 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:08,120 Speaker 3: flocking to California because San Francisco is given away free needles. 544 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:08,200 Speaker 2: Of a curve. 545 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 3: Although we think that, I know, people can move, but 546 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:18,199 Speaker 3: when you're at the depths of despair, the last thing 547 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,359 Speaker 3: you want to do is leave the few people in 548 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 3: the few places in the three of street things, you know, 549 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 3: and so while it sounds good in principle and true purpose, 550 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 3: it's unlikely to happen. The other thing is, in California, 551 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:43,160 Speaker 3: housing is so desperately expensive that when you get underwater 552 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:48,200 Speaker 3: just a little bit, that that teaspoon of choking can 553 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:54,200 Speaker 3: become a flood and a hurry. And because it's hard 554 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,159 Speaker 3: to move, it's hard to relocate, you don't want to 555 00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:00,640 Speaker 3: leave what you have. Many times, the trauma that you're 556 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 3: dealing with, the homelessness started when you were sixteen and abused. 557 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,119 Speaker 3: The problems are more than just on a bus ticket. 558 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 2: And so that's what we know now. But you didn't 559 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:14,400 Speaker 2: know that. 560 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:16,399 Speaker 1: Heck no, And I mean I told you already. I 561 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 1: came from some privilege. And the thing of it is, 562 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,920 Speaker 1: I think that especially for people who've been nowhere near 563 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,680 Speaker 1: homelessness or haven't even come close to. 564 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:28,920 Speaker 2: That, which is the vast majority of our listeners. 565 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,760 Speaker 1: Right when we have not experienced something like that, it 566 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 1: takes a desire to want to know how this happened 567 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 1: with an open hand. And the thing of it is, 568 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 1: we can overlay what we think people should do with 569 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 1: their lives based on what would have worked for you 570 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 1: and I as people of privilege or wherever we came from. 571 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 1: I know, privilege, that's a charge word, and people get 572 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 1: really mad when you say it, But you know what, 573 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 1: I've never been anywhere near homelessness. I've never worried where 574 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:54,640 Speaker 1: my next meal was going to come from. And I 575 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:56,920 Speaker 1: say that not in a pride for way. I say 576 00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 1: that to say I had a steep learning curve. So 577 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 1: I think that is partially why I've somewhat been successful 578 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 1: with this, because it's like I kind of speak both languages. 579 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 1: I had to learn how this happened, why it mattered. 580 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:14,240 Speaker 1: I have a heart for people belonging as my heartbreak. 581 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,719 Speaker 1: We'll get into that, and that's what led me to this. 582 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 1: But I also have lived a life of basically privilege 583 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,480 Speaker 1: and had to figure out because I used to think 584 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 1: that my solutions for myself would be what would work 585 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 1: for my folks. With enough work with my people, just 586 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 1: get a job. Why can't you just go get a therapist? 587 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 1: You know what I mean. I'm overlaying things that I 588 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:40,600 Speaker 1: can easily do, but that's way out of out of 589 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 1: reach for someone who's experienced the kind of I got 590 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 1: a guy who lives my village, and I mean, I'm 591 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 1: kind of no. Okay, well, I'm just telling you there 592 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,880 Speaker 1: there are things I could not get my brain around 593 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 1: that are happening in my backyard, in my county, that 594 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 1: are so appalling and so shocking that we will all 595 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 1: people to live this way and then to condemn them. 596 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 1: I mean, father Greg Boyle, good friend of mine from 597 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:12,040 Speaker 1: Homeboy Industries. He says it best. He says, we should 598 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 1: stand in awe of what the poor have to carry, 599 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 1: rather than in judgment of how they carry it. And 600 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,560 Speaker 1: damn if that's not the best word, because it's that 601 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 1: probably has been one of the most singularly powerful messages 602 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,640 Speaker 1: that I have internalized, taken in, and learn, and it 603 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 1: has changed the way I see everything. 604 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:34,600 Speaker 3: Really, we have to stand in awe of what the 605 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,760 Speaker 3: poor have to carry, rather than condemning them for the 606 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 3: way they carry it. Right, I will use that repeatedly. 607 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,760 Speaker 3: One of my guests a while back said something easily 608 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 3: and simply profound, which is we can be great people 609 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 3: and stand in the river and pull drowning children out 610 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,800 Speaker 3: of it all we want, but eventually we need to 611 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 3: go up river and find out why they're following in 612 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 3: river in the first place, same stuff. 613 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,240 Speaker 1: Preach it that. I mean, I have said it to 614 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:06,280 Speaker 1: people and they're like, the answers are incredible that people 615 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,040 Speaker 1: have actually even said to that comment. 616 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:10,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's yeah, okay. 617 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 3: So now we've set the stage, the table's laid, it's 618 00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 3: all made, So here we are. You get a call 619 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 3: that felt very audible to you, and that was back 620 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 3: in twenty sixteen or seventeen, So tell me about that. 621 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, So I used to think that people said things 622 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 1: like when they said God told me this, or God, 623 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 1: I'm so. 624 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 2: Glad I just went through this with another guest. 625 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, it actually did sound audible, which was shocking to me. 626 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:42,440 Speaker 1: But I'd had one more thing. And it's funny. We brought 627 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:44,840 Speaker 1: up my dad because it was actually when I was 628 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 1: in the middle of my divorce and I was pretty 629 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:52,720 Speaker 1: outcasts from most people, and I remember this like audible, 630 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,440 Speaker 1: like go talk to your dad. It like woke me 631 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,160 Speaker 1: up in the middle of the night, and the right 632 00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:58,480 Speaker 1: thing to do was to go talk to my dad. 633 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,200 Speaker 1: That was actually the next best step. So it turns out, 634 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 1: you know, somebody was telling me something and it sounded 635 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,280 Speaker 1: like that. It actually happened almost the exact same way. 636 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 1: And I'm telling you, I used to think when people 637 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:12,680 Speaker 1: said something like okay, yeah right, God talk to you. Sure, okay, cucko. 638 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:16,200 Speaker 1: You know, I was at church. I was at church 639 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 1: and it wasn't about homelessess at all. It wasn't anything 640 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:19,480 Speaker 1: about serving the poor. 641 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:19,840 Speaker 2: Nothing. 642 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:21,720 Speaker 1: And my husband and I were sitting in the front row 643 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,240 Speaker 1: and I get this kind of like you're gonna serve 644 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 1: the homeless. I'm like, no, I'm not. So we go outside. 645 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:30,239 Speaker 1: I tell my husband about this because I tell him 646 00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:34,120 Speaker 1: everything that feels somewhat supernatural or whatever, and he's like, well, 647 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:35,920 Speaker 1: you know, there is kind of a problem brewing. It 648 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:39,800 Speaker 1: was we could start to see the snowballing was starting 649 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,880 Speaker 1: to happen around that time. And I said, I've never 650 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,680 Speaker 1: I've never even served in a soup kitchen. I'm not, 651 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:47,920 Speaker 1: I can't. I don't even know what I'm doing. I'm 652 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:51,080 Speaker 1: ill equipped, that's not my I love kids, and I 653 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:52,440 Speaker 1: was going to be a teacher. I mean, I had 654 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:53,200 Speaker 1: all these excuses. 655 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:54,280 Speaker 2: Nah. 656 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,240 Speaker 1: Three weeks later, we had a family friend who passed 657 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 1: away suddenly of a heart attack. She was sitting on 658 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,520 Speaker 1: a board of a local non prop faith based nonprofit 659 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:05,720 Speaker 1: serving women. Well at the time they called it. Yeah, 660 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 1: so it was a women's shelter, and they asked me 661 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,400 Speaker 1: at her funeral if I A family friend came and 662 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:13,800 Speaker 1: asked me if I would take her place. I'm like, 663 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,400 Speaker 1: there it is. God was just like preparing my heart 664 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 1: so I could sit on a board there. 665 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:22,000 Speaker 2: It is sure I could show up once quarter. 666 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:25,120 Speaker 1: Huh No, it wasn't gonna be like that all and 667 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,360 Speaker 1: right away, and they're good people. I sat on that 668 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,480 Speaker 1: board with They're good people. However, I could see right 669 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:34,080 Speaker 1: away this was not how I saw things. You know. 670 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,000 Speaker 1: There were ways in which we were treating and talking 671 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,400 Speaker 1: about people, but it was very normalized. No one was 672 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:41,720 Speaker 1: doing anything you know, quote unquote wrong. It was how 673 00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:45,280 Speaker 1: everyone talked about those people. Those people just want to 674 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:47,000 Speaker 1: use our hose pickets. We need to take them off 675 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,280 Speaker 1: the building. Those people, I'm like, why don't we get 676 00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:51,800 Speaker 1: a shower truck? Well we can't afford that. Why don't 677 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:53,480 Speaker 1: we you know? So I'm sorry to think about it. 678 00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:57,480 Speaker 3: So funny, because I'll always do the you know, after 679 00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 3: all this effort, you just can't help these funs. 680 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,200 Speaker 1: Oh man, Well, it's just it's hard to hate people 681 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:05,520 Speaker 1: from close up when we lean in, but when we 682 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:09,480 Speaker 1: other them, it's so easy to demonize, right They just 683 00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:11,080 Speaker 1: it's easy for us because then we can wash our 684 00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:13,680 Speaker 1: hands with something that's complicated. And I couldn't. I couldn't 685 00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,640 Speaker 1: turn away, and so I did some work around it. 686 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:18,040 Speaker 1: So I'll just to give you a little bit of 687 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,880 Speaker 1: background at this church I was sitting at. This is 688 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,080 Speaker 1: a church that took me in when another one kicked 689 00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:23,399 Speaker 1: me out. 690 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,000 Speaker 2: Yeah what yeah, why because it. 691 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,759 Speaker 1: Was getting divorced. I was getting divorced and they didn't 692 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:32,040 Speaker 1: like the circumstances around my. 693 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:36,320 Speaker 2: Divorce, I say, And so you got kicked out. 694 00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:41,000 Speaker 1: Correct, really kicked out, like don't come back, okay, or 695 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,440 Speaker 1: we'll send the elders after you, lovely. 696 00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:45,160 Speaker 2: Yeah. 697 00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,319 Speaker 1: I did start to notice in my own self that 698 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:50,600 Speaker 1: I was really drawn to helping groups of people that 699 00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:53,440 Speaker 1: had been extricated to the margins. My friend, I had 700 00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:55,000 Speaker 1: a really good friend who was an actor in LA 701 00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:58,360 Speaker 1: who grew up in TI. Larry went to LA, was 702 00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:00,440 Speaker 1: on CSI, he was on in a movie all these 703 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,920 Speaker 1: things and came back. He's gay and he started an 704 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:09,640 Speaker 1: LGBTQ plus resource center in the reddest most not progressive 705 00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:11,839 Speaker 1: part of California. It was super brave what he did. 706 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:16,520 Speaker 1: And I was really drawn to that work too because 707 00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,400 Speaker 1: we also I also found out in doing some of 708 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,920 Speaker 1: this work, how many kids in the LGBTQ plus community 709 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:27,560 Speaker 1: are are homeless catastrophic loss of family or support, right, 710 00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:29,840 Speaker 1: you know, it goes back to that. Anyway, I found 711 00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,560 Speaker 1: myself being drawn to these, to these you know, groups 712 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,440 Speaker 1: of people. So the homeless thing, it wouldn't let me go. 713 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,360 Speaker 1: But I was really frustrated right away. But I already 714 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:39,880 Speaker 1: had my own life, coach business. I was doing my 715 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:41,319 Speaker 1: own thing. I'm like, this is I don't know how 716 00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,160 Speaker 1: to start a nonprofit. I'm not I'm not doing this. 717 00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:46,399 Speaker 1: Then I'm listening to a podcast because I love podcasts, 718 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,719 Speaker 1: and I was gen hatmaker and she was saying, hey, 719 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,080 Speaker 1: I live in Austin. I lived just outside of Austin. 720 00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:54,840 Speaker 1: And if you are dealing with homelessess and all, you 721 00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,920 Speaker 1: should know Alan Graham. He wrote the book Welcome Homeless. 722 00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,000 Speaker 1: He's got you know, has a mobile food truck opera 723 00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,359 Speaker 1: twenty five years old, and they started a village called 724 00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,920 Speaker 1: the Community First village. You should you know, get to 725 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,280 Speaker 1: know this guy. So I was this is an Austin. 726 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,400 Speaker 1: So I read the book. I call Alan up and 727 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:12,160 Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, I would love for you to come 728 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,920 Speaker 1: to our community and do a fundraiser for this this 729 00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:16,839 Speaker 1: nonprofit I'm on the board for. He says, I want 730 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:20,160 Speaker 1: you to come to me first. So I did and 731 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:22,960 Speaker 1: was taken aback and really was like, this is it. 732 00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,000 Speaker 1: This is what's missing. It's like, this is the relational piece. 733 00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,800 Speaker 1: There's no the US and them, there's no other ing there. 734 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:30,719 Speaker 1: People are living in community with one another. It's like 735 00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,359 Speaker 1: a little mini city. So I'm like, all right, I'm 736 00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,040 Speaker 1: going to take this model back to my nonprofit board 737 00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,120 Speaker 1: and they can implement it. And they're like, no, thank you, 738 00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:40,920 Speaker 1: And I'm like, what do you mean? 739 00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:41,400 Speaker 2: No thank you? 740 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:43,200 Speaker 1: Like this is a great idea, Like no, we don't 741 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:44,680 Speaker 1: have to pass you that. No, we don't know. We 742 00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:46,200 Speaker 1: really aren't interested in doing that. We like kind of 743 00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:46,799 Speaker 1: like what we're doing. 744 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:49,480 Speaker 2: Okay, we're not like the church. We're not going to 745 00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:50,920 Speaker 2: kick you out, but we're not going to listen to 746 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:51,359 Speaker 2: you either. 747 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:55,360 Speaker 1: Well yeah, I mean, so there's some real themes that 748 00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,719 Speaker 1: were pretty you know, they were yeah, yeah, i mean, 749 00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:00,840 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure I was never going to the charity. 750 00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:05,959 Speaker 3: Lest words in any dying organization are We've always done it. 751 00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:09,200 Speaker 1: This way, and that that is like kryptonite to me. 752 00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:10,880 Speaker 1: Like if someone says to me, if I ask me 753 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:12,640 Speaker 1: why they did something, they say it because I always 754 00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,480 Speaker 1: have done it that way, I'm like, I'm not sure 755 00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:16,120 Speaker 1: you're my people. 756 00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:22,840 Speaker 3: And that concludes Part one of my conversation with Adriann Hillman, 757 00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:25,799 Speaker 3: and you don't want to miss part two that's now 758 00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:29,680 Speaker 3: available to listen to you together, guys, we can change 759 00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,960 Speaker 3: this country, but it starts with you. I'll see in 760 00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:33,520 Speaker 3: part two