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Speaker 1: Order a fresh show. It's court all rise, the honorable

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Speaker 1: Judge Kiki is here. Take it away, mad adam.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's get in the court room. It says, Hey, Kikey,

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Speaker 2: my name is Debbie. I'm a longtime Fred's Show listener

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Speaker 2: and a proud single mom.

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Speaker 1: Alright, it's not her fault. Then, I know it's somebody else.

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Speaker 1: You know the story, somebody else's fault, I know.

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Speaker 3: She says.

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Speaker 2: My daughter is fifteen, a straight A student, and she's

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Speaker 2: very active in her school and community. My daughter has

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Speaker 2: also had the same best friend since first grade. However,

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Speaker 2: and unfortunately, her best friend is currently sixteen and pregnant. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: this has rocked our world, and I've been forced to

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Speaker 2: have some very deep conversations with my daughter about her

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Speaker 2: best friend's choices. But now I've been faced with my

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Speaker 2: own choice. The girl's mom is giving her a baby shower,

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Speaker 2: which I think is insane. However, my daughter has been

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Speaker 2: asking me if she can attend the baby shower, and

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Speaker 2: I even call her trying to help plan the party.

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Speaker 2: I don't think any of this is appropriate, and I

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Speaker 2: don't want my daughter attending a baby shower and somehow

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Speaker 2: thinking that this is okay? What should I do?

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Speaker 1: Are you guys with the jury eight five five five

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Speaker 1: nine one oh three five Judge Kik, I have to ask.

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Speaker 1: So we can't celebrate the birth of this baby even

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Speaker 1: though it was unplanned, potentially right, So I mean, I'm

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Speaker 1: just wondering about that, Like she doesn't get a shower

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Speaker 1: even though she's young and it wasn't probably on purpose,

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Speaker 1: we still don't just make the best of it.

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Speaker 2: According to Debbie, she's not comfortable with this. And I'm

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Speaker 2: not a parent, so I would love to hear from parents.

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Speaker 2: But my hot take is that allow your daughter to

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Speaker 2: go right, because in my mind, you've raised your daughter

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Speaker 2: a certain way. You've you've taught her a lot of

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Speaker 2: valuable lessons. She's a great child, a great student, and

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Speaker 2: I don't think she should not be there for her

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Speaker 2: friend and be held accountable for her friend's decisions like

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Speaker 2: her friend did what she did, whatever the situation may be.

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Speaker 2: But you know your kid, you know your daughter, you've

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Speaker 2: great decisions in life. So I think you know this

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Speaker 2: is a part of life. Teenage pregnancy, it happens. It

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Speaker 2: happens to people and I think you trying to shield

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Speaker 2: her from that may cause her to rebel. And I

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Speaker 2: think at this time in her friend's life too, they've

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Speaker 2: been fransince first grade. You know, her friend is probably

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Speaker 2: going through a lot of things emotionally and mentally, and

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Speaker 2: I think she really would need your daughter's support, and

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Speaker 2: I don't think you should take that away from them.

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Speaker 3: At this point, I'm so caught up on this baby shower.

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Speaker 1: So I mean, the point of the shower is to celebrate,

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Speaker 1: of course, but then also you give gifts and diapers

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Speaker 1: then the other thing is if we're just pretending this

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Speaker 1: didn't happen, because it's a valuable life lesson or a

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Speaker 1: difficult conversation to have with your own kid, if we're

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Speaker 1: just gonna pretend this didn't happen. And I go to

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Speaker 1: the baby, the baby is arriving. The baby's coming exactly,

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Speaker 1: and so every time you see this woman and her baby,

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Speaker 1: that would be a reminder of the fact that this

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Speaker 1: I don't know why we're pretending and it's not happening,

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Speaker 1: And not acknowledging and celebrating and making the best of it.

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Speaker 1: Because again, if if the thing is we're not gonna

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Speaker 1: going to the party, you shouldn't help. Well, then, I

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Speaker 1: mean that doesn't make any sense.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she feels like it will be a bad influence

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Speaker 3: To already happened. It's happening, exactly, it's happening.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't make her a bad person either.

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Speaker 4: If she's having a baby at this age, like you said,

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Speaker 4: it does happen, and she raised her daughter a certain way,

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Speaker 4: and her daughter has her own you know, mind, her

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Speaker 4: that that's gonna happen to her as well. If you

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Speaker 4: attend a baby shower for your friend.

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Speaker 1: Well that's like people who used to say that sixteen

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Speaker 3: I watched the show. It didn't look good to me.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I didn't watch that show and go, man, I

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Speaker 3: Gonna say, it looks like they are crushing it.

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Speaker 5: No, Yeah, tell your daughter to look at what follows

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Speaker 5: and she'll be fine. But also everything's an opportunity for

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Speaker 2: I mean, we can't just ignore things.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, her have her sicker and see how much

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Speaker 2: And I don't know about you guys, but I had

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Speaker 2: I have to do it now too.

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Speaker 3: That's right, Kiki. And yeah I didn't either.

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Speaker 1: You know. That's is that I avoided all of that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, good judgment, right, you're smart.

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Speaker 1: Now, that being said, even though nobody wanted to get

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Speaker 1: I was very afraid of this happening. My parents were

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Speaker 1: again you're right, like the mom ignoring this because she

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Speaker 1: that's not a thing. Hey, hey, good morning, wellcome to

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Speaker 1: the Kikey's Court on the Fred Show.

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Speaker 6: Oh my goodness, good morning.

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Speaker 3: Hey what do you want to say? Welcome?

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Speaker 4: Come on, come on.

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Speaker 6: You know I was just gonna say that. When I

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Speaker 6: and decided I want to follow those foots right right,

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Speaker 6: it's the.

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Speaker 2: Twenty first century.

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Speaker 6: Everybody knows how hard it is to have a baby. Like,

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Speaker 6: kids are not stupid, people make mistakes and everything, like

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Speaker 6: mom needs if that's the girl's best friend. I think

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Speaker 6: she says since the first grade or something like people

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Speaker 6: make mistakes and it's going to be really bad. Idea

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Speaker 6: of you know what she's going to tell her daughter

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, because I watched that sixteen and Pregnant stuff,

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, this is not it just don't look great. Hey, hey, hey,

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Speaker 1: how old is that kid, Dave? Let's talk about this.

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Speaker 2: She is about to be.

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Speaker 6: Five next week.

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Speaker 3: How old are you?

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Speaker 3: Okay, all right, well you're starting young too, but uh

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Speaker 1: I want but hi to her, and hi to you,

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Speaker 1: and thank you for calling, and have a good day.

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Speaker 3: She was cute, you know. I'm like, wait a minute,

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Speaker 3: well do you know about this story?

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Speaker 7: Right?

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Speaker 1: Heyday? How does this has been hit home or something? Hey, Brenda,

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Speaker 1: good morning?

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Speaker 3: How are you?

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Speaker 8: Hi?

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Speaker 5: Good morning? I love you guys, thank.

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Speaker 3: You, We love you too. Kiky's Court, What say you?

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Speaker 5: I I think she should let her go to the

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Speaker 5: here's the thing.

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Speaker 2: They're everywhere.

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Speaker 5: And if that girl has a phone, I mean there's

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Speaker 5: like she needs to feel support right now. Like that's

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Speaker 5: like the one thing, Brenda.

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Speaker 1: I see this the other way, Like if it were

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Speaker 3: You want to be involved, I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 1: You know, if you have a little job or something,

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Speaker 1: And why don't you go to the birth too? If

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Speaker 1: this she'll let you, honestly, and then and then why

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Speaker 1: I would lean into this, oh, because I'm nice. I

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Speaker 1: don't think most sixteen year olds are going to look

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Speaker 3: Bringing a life into the world.

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Speaker 1: But I don't know that I think that I would

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Speaker 3: Yeah right right?

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Speaker 1: Maybe?

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Speaker 5: I mean maybe she also, I mean if she's confident,

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Speaker 5: like the way she's been parenting her, and then she

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Speaker 5: her daughter's like Okay, like maybe this isn't for me,

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Speaker 5: but if this was for you, you know, if you

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Speaker 3: Fine for you.

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Speaker 5: I think it's just trusting, like what you put into

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I agree, way too. I agree. Thank you, Brenda.

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Speaker 1: You guys too, Yeah, I mean, shielding your kids from

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Speaker 3: And that is not what happened. The exact opposite happened.

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Speaker 1: So Kikey's Court, if you're just joining, I want to key.

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Speaker 1: I want to make Judge kiky you're on her. I

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Speaker 1: I don't want you have anything to do with this.

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Speaker 1: And the debate is, is that even useful, and many

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Speaker 3: Think I think she should let her go.

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Speaker 9: I actually had a friend who got pregnant fifteen, had.

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Speaker 9: I went through the whole thing with her, and you know,

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Speaker 8: Baby, y'all.

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Speaker 9: My mom raised me differently. You know, people make mistakes,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think she lean into this. Yeah, No,

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Speaker 1: be involved in this process and see if that's what

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Justin have a good day. Or we can just pretend

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Speaker 2: Is and it always it always.

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Speaker 3: Will be right, you know. Emily, Hi, good morning, good morning.

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Speaker 3: Sorry what do you think? So?

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Speaker 7: As I you guys were talking, I remember this actually

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Speaker 3: You know, maybe this is a good I think, meaning

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Speaker 7: An excellent way for UH to avoid teenage pregnancy because

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Speaker 7: it's someone who's the twenty nine and kids my friends

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the repression thing is just not going to work.

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Speaker 1: I honestly think it's better just to I mean, it's

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Speaker 7: Right, well, right, and like I mean, like you know,

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Speaker 7: I said, you know, she knows she's pregnant. Like so

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I agree, Thank you Lindsay or Emily, thank you,

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Speaker 2: And Debbie's defense. Thanks for Someone on the text said,

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Speaker 1: But we should celebrate the day, We should celebrate the life. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't know this girl obviously, but I can't imagine

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Speaker 1: I mean she's a kid, and she's having a kid,

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Speaker 3: Okay, what happened happened?

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Speaker 8: Right?

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Speaker 1: So, like, why are we not supporting her? Lindsey, Hi, Lindsay,

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Speaker 8: Hey guys. I totally think that she should let her

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Speaker 8: He's really smart. He'll never like ever like touch things

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Speaker 8: This is really really hard and it's really really ugly

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and a.

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Speaker 1: Lot of people are saying this, But how about to

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Speaker 1: It has nothing to do with wanting it for herself.

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Speaker 1: It's because it's the right thing to do. And in

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Speaker 1: a good day, Jamie. I mean, some kids are dumb.

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Speaker 1: I why I keep using the wrong name? Whoever that

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Speaker 3: So I took everything this morning. I took everything I

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Speaker 1: So anyway, to Jessica, Jamie, Janine, Adriana, Maria, Sam John,

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Speaker 2: Kick in Debbie letter, go you raise the good girl.

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Speaker 1: Another problem, Yes girl, let's celebrate the thoughtfulness.

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