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<v Speaker 1>Bushkin.

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<v Speaker 2>In Glassboro, New Jersey, a little community half an hour

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<v Speaker 2>south of Philadelphia, there's a statue right by the road

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<v Speaker 2>as you drive into town. It's of a man named

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<v Speaker 2>Henry Rowan. He liked to be called Hank. Whenever Hank

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<v Speaker 2>Rohan came to Glassboro, he was mobbed like a rock star,

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<v Speaker 2>which probably embarrassed him because he wasn't given to those

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<v Speaker 2>kinds of displays. When Hank Rowan died in December of

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<v Speaker 2>twenty fifteen, there was a huge memorial service. Then in

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<v Speaker 2>the evening, students from the local college gathered around his statue,

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<v Speaker 2>holding candles and sang for him as earnestly as only

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<v Speaker 2>college kids can.

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<v Speaker 3>Let me sell you.

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<v Speaker 2>My name is Malcolm Gladwell. You're listening to Revisionist History,

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<v Speaker 2>my podcast about things overlooked and misunderstood. This episode is

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<v Speaker 2>my eulogy for Hank Rowan. I never met him, but

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<v Speaker 2>he's a hero of mine. I want to understand why

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<v Speaker 2>he didn't become everyone's hero. Why Hank Rowan's example didn't

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<v Speaker 2>spread beyond Glassborne, Jersey.

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<v Speaker 4>He was six foot one or so, not not a

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<v Speaker 4>huge football player size, and you know, one hundred and

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<v Speaker 4>eighty pounds no thin, but not skinny, and had a

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<v Speaker 4>loud voice, strong presence.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah he was what was his management style, like.

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<v Speaker 4>Benevolent dictator.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's Rowan's daughter, Ginny Smith. She now runs

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<v Speaker 2>the company her father started in nineteen fifty three. It's

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<v Speaker 2>called Inducto Therm. It's right off the New Jersey Turnpike.

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<v Speaker 2>They make industrial furnaces for melting metal.

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<v Speaker 4>He started the company basically in our garage and then

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<v Speaker 4>he sold his first job to the Mint, which was

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<v Speaker 4>kind of fun, and then the second job to Ge

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<v Speaker 4>and then the furnaces just got bigger and bigger. Now

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<v Speaker 4>some of them are fifty ton They're just huge. And

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<v Speaker 4>kept branching out and acquired some companies and it kind

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<v Speaker 4>of it grew like topsy. But he also worked very,

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<v Speaker 4>very hard at it and hired good people.

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<v Speaker 2>Rowan built Inducto Therm into a multinational corporation thousands of

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<v Speaker 2>employees around the world, and he became a very wealthy man,

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<v Speaker 2>although you wouldn't have known it.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, he would run around and scuffed shoes and

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<v Speaker 4>tried to not worried about that. He didn't care how

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<v Speaker 4>he dressed her looked.

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<v Speaker 2>Roan was an engineer, raced sailboats, flew planes, bleeding hard work,

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<v Speaker 2>free enterprise.

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<v Speaker 4>But you couldn't get him to buy a fancy car.

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<v Speaker 4>He was a nash rambler guy in the early days,

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<v Speaker 4>and he pooh poohed Mercedes because Mercedes wasn't one of

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<v Speaker 4>our customers.

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<v Speaker 2>Did he drive sort of nearly.

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<v Speaker 4>Near He drove Ozama bills and buicks and finding the

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<v Speaker 4>company here in Sicity. Drive a Lincoln. He drove it

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<v Speaker 4>into the ground just about.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh.

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<v Speaker 4>It had a Cadillac once, but he towed his boats

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<v Speaker 4>with that too, because it had a bigger engine. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>none of us drive around and wave at people's stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Almost thirty years ago, Hank Rowan became friends with a

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<v Speaker 2>man named Phil to Minia. To Minya was head of

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<v Speaker 2>development for the local college, Glassboro State, just down the road,

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<v Speaker 2>a little university started back in the nineteen twenties on

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<v Speaker 2>twenty five acres too. Minya would drop by and see

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<v Speaker 2>Rowan on his way up to Trenton. Everyone involved with

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<v Speaker 2>Glassboro and Rowan has their own version of this story,

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<v Speaker 2>but here's how Rowan remembered it in an interview he

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<v Speaker 2>gave a few years before he died with Don Ferris,

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<v Speaker 2>who's the former president of Glasboro State. He asked Rowan

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<v Speaker 2>how he first got involved with the college.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I think we blame it all on Phil Tomidia

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<v Speaker 1>because he came to see me and asked if I

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<v Speaker 1>might make a donation to the scholarship fund of fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>hundred dollars. Well that sounded easy, fifteen hundred dollars, so

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<v Speaker 1>we gave him fifteen hundred dollars. And you know what

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<v Speaker 1>he came.

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<v Speaker 2>Back to many I wanted Rowan to give money to

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<v Speaker 2>the business school, which was pretty dilapidated.

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<v Speaker 1>So he pushed that for a while and finally said, Phil,

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<v Speaker 1>I have zero interest in your school of business. What

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<v Speaker 1>this world needs is more engineering, how to make things

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<v Speaker 1>we have to produce? And Phil, what would you do

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<v Speaker 1>with one hundred million dollars? And he nearly fell off

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<v Speaker 1>the chair. But that's how we got to that level,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's what was the beginning.

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<v Speaker 5>So you're the one that suggested one hundred million dollar figure.

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<v Speaker 1>Not oh yeah, you were talking about ten.

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<v Speaker 2>I see, this is nineteen ninety two, A generation ago.

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<v Speaker 2>Almost nobody gave donations of one hundred million dollars. Back then,

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<v Speaker 2>this was unheard of money. Rowan's gift made headlines around

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<v Speaker 2>the country. He set a new standard.

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<v Speaker 6>Did you think it changed the world? The in right ability.

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<v Speaker 2>At Rowan's memorial service, phil Toominia gets up and says,

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<v Speaker 2>I think accurately that Roan is the person who triggered

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<v Speaker 2>what has become one of the greatest explosions in educational

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<v Speaker 2>philanthropy since the days of Andrew Carnegie and the Rockefellers.

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<v Speaker 6>From July of nineteen ninety two until the end of

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<v Speaker 6>that decade, twenty gifts twenty gifts of one hundred million

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<v Speaker 6>dollars of war we were given out in this country.

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<v Speaker 2>According to the Chronicle of Philanthropy. As of right now

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<v Speaker 2>spring of twenty sixteen, we're up to eighty seven gifts

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<v Speaker 2>of one hundred million dollars or more to higher education.

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<v Speaker 2>So everyone followed Rowan's lead, except not really. Rowan gave

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<v Speaker 2>his money to Glasporo State College, a public university in

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<v Speaker 2>a sleepy little town in South Jersey that no one

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<v Speaker 2>had ever heard of. The college was close to broke

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<v Speaker 2>at the time. They had an endowment of seven hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and eighty seven thousand dollars. But the people who followed

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<v Speaker 2>Hank Rowan, who were inspired by the size of his donation.

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<v Speaker 2>Almost all of them gave money to wealthy, prestigious schools.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me just read to you the names of some

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<v Speaker 2>of the educational institutions that had received the largest donations

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<v Speaker 2>in American history. Ready, in twenty thirteen, the billionaire co

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<v Speaker 2>founder of Nike, Phil Knight, pledged half a billion to

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<v Speaker 2>the Oregon Health and Science University in Portland, Okay. Not

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<v Speaker 2>the most prestigious institution in America. But wait, then, come

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<v Speaker 2>three four hundred million dollar donations. The first is the

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<v Speaker 2>billionaire John Klugie's gift to Columbia University in two thousand

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<v Speaker 2>and seven. The second is the hedge fund manager John

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<v Speaker 2>Paulson's gift to Harvard University in twenty fifteen. The third

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<v Speaker 2>is Phil Knight's gift to Stanford University in twenty sixteen.

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<v Speaker 2>And after that, in order, here are the universities that

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<v Speaker 2>get the biggest donations. JOHNS. Hopkins Harvard again, University of Chicago, Princeton, Tuft's,

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<v Speaker 2>Carnegie Mellon, Cornell, Yale, Penn, Claremont McKenna, Columbia again, Baylor,

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<v Speaker 2>USC Columbia a third time, Michigan University of California, Wisconsin.

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<v Speaker 2>I could go on if you want, through all eighty seven,

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<v Speaker 2>but basically we're talking about the same wealthy, elite schools

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<v Speaker 2>getting the biggest donations again and again. Hank Rowan did

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<v Speaker 2>something unprecedented, and nobody followed him. This episode is the

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<v Speaker 2>third in my three part revisionist history miniseries re examining

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<v Speaker 2>the promise of higher education. The first installment was about

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<v Speaker 2>why the educational system struggles to find talented, low income students.

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<v Speaker 2>The second episode was a comparison of Vassar and Boden

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<v Speaker 2>and why it's so difficult for some colleges to find

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<v Speaker 2>the money for financial aid. But today I want to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about educational philanthropy, which I think is an issue

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<v Speaker 2>that doesn't get talked about nearly enough. Higher education in

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<v Speaker 2>the United States runs on philanthropy. There are almost no

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<v Speaker 2>schools that can pay their bills just on the strength

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<v Speaker 2>of students tuition. Those days are over. Philanthropy is what

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<v Speaker 2>makes the wheels turned. But there's a problem. A lot

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<v Speaker 2>of that philanthropy doesn't make any sense. It's going to

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<v Speaker 2>the wrong places for the wrong reasons. Those of you

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<v Speaker 2>who follow me on Twitter will know that I'm obsessed

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<v Speaker 2>with this issue. After John Paulson gave his four hundred

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<v Speaker 2>million dollars to Harvard and to twenty fifteen, I had

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<v Speaker 2>a kind of Twitter meltdown, sending tweet after tweet, including

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<v Speaker 2>it came down to helping the poor or giving the

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<v Speaker 2>world's richest university fond of million dollars. It doesn't need

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<v Speaker 2>wise choice, John, and then if billionaires don't step up,

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<v Speaker 2>Harvard will soon be down to its last thirty billion.

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<v Speaker 2>Then when Phil Knight gave fondred million dollars to Stanford,

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<v Speaker 2>I got called up for comment by The New York Times.

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<v Speaker 2>I said that Stamford was part of a crazy arms

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<v Speaker 2>race and ought to cut its endowment in half and

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<v Speaker 2>give the balance to schools that actually need the money.

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<v Speaker 2>The next day, I got an email from the President

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<v Speaker 2>of Stanford, John Hennessy. He wanted to get together and

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<v Speaker 2>convince me I was wrong. So I talked to him,

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<v Speaker 2>and we'll get to that conversation in a minute. For now,

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<v Speaker 2>I will only say that I was completely baffled by

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<v Speaker 2>my talk with Hennessy. It was as if he and

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<v Speaker 2>I were speaking different languages. I understand the people who

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<v Speaker 2>give money to those who need money, the people who

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<v Speaker 2>give money to these those who already have all the

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<v Speaker 2>money they need. I don't understand that. What are they thinking?

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<v Speaker 2>Let me run an idea by you, which I think

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<v Speaker 2>helps to frame this question. It has to do with soccer, actually,

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<v Speaker 2>the difference between soccer and basketball. This idea comes from

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<v Speaker 2>two economists named David Sally and Chris Anderson, who wrote

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<v Speaker 2>a really great book a couple of years ago about

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<v Speaker 2>soccer called The Numbers Game. One of the questions they

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<v Speaker 2>asked was what matters more if you want to build

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<v Speaker 2>a great soccer team, how good your best player is

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<v Speaker 2>or how good your worst player is. And their answer was,

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<v Speaker 2>in soccer, what matters is how good your worst player is.

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<v Speaker 7>Soccer is a game where if you get a single goal,

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<v Speaker 7>if you just happen to be lucky, that goal may

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<v Speaker 7>hold up.

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<v Speaker 2>That's David Sally, and.

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<v Speaker 7>So mistakes turn out to be a very important part

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<v Speaker 7>of soccer as a team sport that leads you to

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<v Speaker 7>think about well, mistakes more often happen or more often

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<v Speaker 7>produced by weaker players on the pitch.

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<v Speaker 2>Sally's argument goes like this, a soccer team has eleven

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<v Speaker 2>players on the field at any one time. Suppose one

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<v Speaker 2>is a superstar and your worst player is maybe only

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<v Speaker 2>forty five percent as good as a superstar. Because soccer

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<v Speaker 2>is a sport where everyone on the field depends on

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<v Speaker 2>everyone else, that forty five percent player can make one

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<v Speaker 2>mistake and completely negate the skill of the best player.

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<v Speaker 2>You can have eight beautiful passes in a row, but

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<v Speaker 2>if your worst player, your forty five percent player, botches

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<v Speaker 2>the ninth, then all the previous eight beautiful passes are

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<v Speaker 2>all wasted.

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<v Speaker 7>That's right, and because of the nature of soccer that

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<v Speaker 7>those eight beautiful passes may have only increased your likelihood

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<v Speaker 7>of victory by a small percent, but then it goes

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<v Speaker 7>right back to zero because somebody turns the ball over.

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<v Speaker 2>Sally and Anderson did a statistical analysis. They looked at

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<v Speaker 2>the top soccer clubs in Europe and showed that if

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<v Speaker 2>those teams upgraded their poorest players instead of their best players,

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<v Speaker 2>they would score more goals and win more games a

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<v Speaker 2>lot more. Soccer is a weak link game.

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<v Speaker 7>Yes, having a better superstar was of course better, but

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<v Speaker 7>actually having a better end of the bench or eleventh

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<v Speaker 7>guy on the pitch was actually more influential to whether

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<v Speaker 7>you won matches or not, which.

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<v Speaker 2>Would be the exact opposite of basketball.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, basketball is probably the opposite end of the continuum

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<v Speaker 7>from If you think about soccer is maybe the weakest

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<v Speaker 7>link sport, Basketball is probably the most superstarter of a

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<v Speaker 7>team sport that we have.

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<v Speaker 2>Even the greatest basketball teams often have won, and sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>even two players who are barely better than mediocre. What

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<v Speaker 2>matters in basketball is not how good your fifth player is,

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<v Speaker 2>It's how good your superstar is. It's a strong link game.

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<v Speaker 2>Think about Lionel Messi, maybe the greatest soccer player of

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<v Speaker 2>his generation, versus Michael Jordan, the greatest basketball player of

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<v Speaker 2>his generation.

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<v Speaker 7>Jordan could do on a basketball court was Jordan could

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<v Speaker 7>guarantee or virtually guarantee that he could get the ball.

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<v Speaker 7>You couldn't really stop him, right. He could go to

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<v Speaker 7>the back court, pick up the ball. He could dribble

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<v Speaker 7>it forward. He could break double teams. You could try

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<v Speaker 7>to send three guys at him, but then you're really

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<v Speaker 7>opening yourself up. He could go and get a shot.

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<v Speaker 7>Leo Messi is so good that sometimes from rare times

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<v Speaker 7>where in fact he can dribble the length of the pitch.

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<v Speaker 7>But the fact is that he in most instances, he

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<v Speaker 7>really can't. He needs to be He needs those eight

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<v Speaker 7>beautiful passes to set him up, and then he could

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<v Speaker 7>do something amazingly transcendent with it.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the weak link strong link distinction is incredibly

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<v Speaker 2>useful in making sense of certain kinds of problems. I

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<v Speaker 2>suppose I said to you, for example, here's fifty billion dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>Spend it in a way that makes air travel in

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<v Speaker 2>the United States more efficient. The last thing you would

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<v Speaker 2>do is to go to Denver, which has that big,

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<v Speaker 2>gorgeous new airport, and make it even bigger and even

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<v Speaker 2>more gorgeous. No, you go to the worst and most

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<v Speaker 2>crowded airports in the country, LaGuardia, Newark, Kennedy, and make

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<v Speaker 2>them better. Because every single day, delays at Newark and

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<v Speaker 2>LaGuardia and Kennedy ripple across the country and delay planes everywhere.

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<v Speaker 2>You'd spend all fifty billion dollars in New York. If

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<v Speaker 2>you do that, you're essentially saying air travel in the

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<v Speaker 2>United States is a weak link problem. We're limited by

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<v Speaker 2>how good our appalling New York airports are more than

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<v Speaker 2>by how good our best airports are. Here's another example,

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<v Speaker 2>One of the great puzzles of the Industrial Revolution is

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<v Speaker 2>why it began in England, why not France or Germany.

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<v Speaker 2>One theory is that Britain was lucky enough to have

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<v Speaker 2>more geniuses than anyone else, like James Watt who invents

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<v Speaker 2>the steam engine. But there's an economist named Joel Moker

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<v Speaker 2>who makes a really compelling argument that England's advance is

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<v Speaker 2>that it had way more craftsmen and skilled engineers and

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<v Speaker 2>experienced in mechanically minded backyard tinkers than anyone else. Those

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<v Speaker 2>were the people who were able to take those inventions

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<v Speaker 2>and perfect them and make them useful. Moker is saying

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<v Speaker 2>that the Industrial Revolution was a weak link phenomenon, not

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<v Speaker 2>a strong link phenomenon, and because Britain had more craftsmen

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<v Speaker 2>than France or Germany, that gave Britain a huge advantage.

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<v Speaker 2>So what's Hank rowan? Hank Rohn is a weak link guy.

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<v Speaker 2>He wants to make a difference to make his country

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<v Speaker 2>a better place, and he thinks the best way to

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<v Speaker 2>do that is to improve the forty five percent player,

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<v Speaker 2>not the superstar. He thinks America is soccer, not basketball.

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<v Speaker 5>You're a graduate of MIT right here.

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<v Speaker 2>He is again in the interview with Don Ferish of

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<v Speaker 2>Glasboro State.

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<v Speaker 5>Now, I would assume that MIT at that time would

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<v Speaker 5>have been interested in receiving a gift of that size

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<v Speaker 5>from you. Did you did you think about giving it

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<v Speaker 5>to that university?

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<v Speaker 1>You're no, okay. They were at the time trying to

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<v Speaker 1>raise seven hundred and fifty million dollars, and my little

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<v Speaker 1>Hunter Mayon wouldn't have made hardly any immerge at.

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<v Speaker 2>All, hardly any difference at all. That's David Sally's point

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<v Speaker 2>about soccer. Upgrading the superstar doesn't help as much as

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<v Speaker 2>upgrading the worst player. Here's Hank Rowen's daughter Jinny again.

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<v Speaker 4>Basically, he said MIT had the greatest engineering school bar none.

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<v Speaker 4>He said it was the best education he could ever imagine.

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<v Speaker 4>And he said, I'm sure they would do good things

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<v Speaker 4>with my money, they'd build a building or do something positive.

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<v Speaker 4>But he said it wouldn't make the difference that it's

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<v Speaker 4>going to make down here. He said, I enjoy making

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<v Speaker 4>a difference in this world.

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<v Speaker 2>So he funds an engineering school in Glassboro. It's not

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<v Speaker 2>the best or the fancy engineering school in the country,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's not supposed to be. So it's one one

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<v Speaker 2>four story building?

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<v Speaker 8>Is it four is it's three story building? And then

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<v Speaker 8>it has two wings to it, and there's labs.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll walk down.

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<v Speaker 2>I went for a tour with Joe Cardona, the university's

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<v Speaker 2>head of pr.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, we're in a state institution, so a building

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<v Speaker 3>like this was like wow.

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<v Speaker 1>I was bang.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, look it's an engineer and building. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 3>so here, why don't we just walk down a holiday

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<v Speaker 3>of it.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>The school was built in the mid nineteen nineties for

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<v Speaker 2>five hundred students. They've now crammed seven hundred and fifty

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<v Speaker 2>into the building while they wait for a new annex

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<v Speaker 2>to be finished next door. Eventually they want to double

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<v Speaker 2>the school size. The point is not to be more exclusive,

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<v Speaker 2>it's to get bigger to serve more students. Cardona and

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<v Speaker 2>I stopped by a lab where a group of students

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<v Speaker 2>were working on a Baja car, basically a home engineer

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<v Speaker 2>doom buggy that will race against other engineering schools on

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<v Speaker 2>an endurance course.

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<v Speaker 9>So we got some aircraft grade aluminum. We have it

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<v Speaker 9>two access water jack cutter that can cut out profiles,

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<v Speaker 9>and we design a part that's bolted together that way.

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<v Speaker 7>It's nice and strong.

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<v Speaker 9>And they're graded bolt. But if it does break, you

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<v Speaker 9>can replace individual pieces without having to make a whole

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<v Speaker 9>new assembly.

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<v Speaker 2>The four students I meet, Matt, Seohn, Owen, and Kyle

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<v Speaker 2>all grew up around here. Are most of the students

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<v Speaker 2>in the engineering school from New Jersey?

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<v Speaker 7>I would say, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Net tuition in state is about nine thousand dollars a year,

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<v Speaker 2>which is pretty reasonable for an engineering school. Ninety five

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<v Speaker 2>percent get jobs in engineering when they graduate, and.

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<v Speaker 3>We really want to do what I call a blue

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<v Speaker 3>collar research, research that is practical that people can see

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<v Speaker 3>the tangible.

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<v Speaker 2>Result of Ali Hushman, the university's president. He's an immigrant

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<v Speaker 2>from Iran. He grew up in a slum in Tehran,

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<v Speaker 2>fifth in a family of ten.

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<v Speaker 3>People used to ask me to compare you. That said,

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<v Speaker 3>the best competison would be to tell you, if you

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<v Speaker 3>have seen slum Dog Millionaire, you look at that. This

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<v Speaker 3>one was twice as hard and tough. Oh. Yes, we're

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<v Speaker 3>a very close family, but very poor. I mean poor

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<v Speaker 3>to the extent that you walk in the streets without shoes.

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<v Speaker 2>Hushman runs marathons, which is kind of what you'd expect,

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<v Speaker 2>right for someone who made it out of the slums

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<v Speaker 2>of Tehran, A typical student at the engineering school. Where

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<v Speaker 2>are they from? Can you give me a kind of

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<v Speaker 2>profile of it.

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<v Speaker 3>A profile of a kid from engineering. Your father is

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<v Speaker 3>a you know, fireman, a mom is a teacher. The

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<v Speaker 3>kid has been going to a public school. He's from

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<v Speaker 3>forty miles from here, and he's just a brilliant young

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<v Speaker 3>man or woman. Gone through public school and got great

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<v Speaker 3>schools and very much focused.

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<v Speaker 2>It's you in other words, Yes, yes, school full of valley.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, yeah, that's the beauty of it, Malcolm. That's why

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<v Speaker 3>I say it's a blue collar university.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I'm convinced by Ali Huschmann and by Hank Rowen.

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<v Speaker 2>I think American society really is soccer. We're so interdependent

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<v Speaker 2>and we need so many perfect passes to score a

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<v Speaker 2>goal that our challenges are weeklink, not strong link. What

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<v Speaker 2>matters is how good our eleventh player is, not our first.

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<v Speaker 2>We're in a second industrial revolution, and the lesson of

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<v Speaker 2>this one isn't any different from the lesson of the

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<v Speaker 2>last one. But it's really hard to get people to

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<v Speaker 2>accept weeklink arguments. David Sally, the economist who studied soccer,

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<v Speaker 2>says he'll go to some billionaire oligarch who owns an

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<v Speaker 2>English Premier League team and say, don't spend your eighty

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<v Speaker 2>million pounds on one superstar player, spend it on four

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<v Speaker 2>pretty good players at twenty million pounds each. But the

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<v Speaker 2>oligarch doesn't want to hear that.

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<v Speaker 7>If the oligarch is only worried about winning soccer matches,

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<v Speaker 7>I can sell that that's believable. Oligarchs by teams for

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<v Speaker 7>many other reasons, including wanting to hang out with really

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<v Speaker 7>good looking soccer strikers and wanting to sell a lot

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<v Speaker 7>of shirts. A weak link strategy is not gonna be

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<v Speaker 7>the most glamorous thing.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's the problem. Superstars are glamorous. Nobel Prize winners

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<v Speaker 2>are glamorous. Regional universities in rural South Jersey, and solid

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<v Speaker 2>capable midfielders are not.

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<v Speaker 7>What people remember are the unbelievably beautiful goals.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a brilliant road for missing.

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<v Speaker 8>I'm going to go all away.

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<v Speaker 10>It's gonna be great coming away final goals.

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<v Speaker 7>They may not realize that the seven, maybe less glamorous

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<v Speaker 7>passes that set up that eighth beautiful through ball were

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<v Speaker 7>maybe arguably just as important, but they were much more mundane,

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<v Speaker 7>and they just involved simple movement to open spaces, and

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<v Speaker 7>people don't adequately value that.

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<v Speaker 10>When we asked ourselves the question, what could Stanford do

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<v Speaker 10>to make a better contribution to the world, we quickly

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<v Speaker 10>converged on building a scholarship program that would bring the

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<v Speaker 10>most talented students and prepare them to be leaders in

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<v Speaker 10>the world, to lead on attacking the.

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<v Speaker 2>Important John Hennessy, president of Stanford University since two thousand,

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<v Speaker 2>widely considered one of the greatest presidents in Stanford history.

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<v Speaker 8>As I began to think about the end of my

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<v Speaker 8>term as president, I started to think, was there something

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<v Speaker 8>else perhaps we could do where we could build on

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<v Speaker 8>everything we've put in place at Stanford and offer something

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<v Speaker 8>that would be a great thing for the world.

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<v Speaker 2>Not long before we talked, I took a walk across

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<v Speaker 2>the Stanford campus and it's like entering a shrine higher education.

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<v Speaker 2>Everything is gleaming, gorgeous, groomed green. That's all Hennessy's work.

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<v Speaker 2>He's transformed the school, doubled the endowment from eleven to

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<v Speaker 2>twenty two billion dollars, made it into maybe the greatest university.

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<v Speaker 4>In the world.

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<v Speaker 2>When we talked, he was just about to retire and

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<v Speaker 2>thinking about his legacy.

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<v Speaker 8>Many people, myself included, became increasingly concerned about what we

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<v Speaker 8>saw as a void in great leadership around the world,

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<v Speaker 8>in the public sector as well as in the private sector.

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<v Speaker 2>Hennessy decided he wanted to start a graduate program kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like the Rhodes Scholarship. Every year, it would bring

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred of the brightest, most accomplished college grads from

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<v Speaker 2>around the world to Stamford and let them apply their

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<v Speaker 2>minds to the problems of the world. He goes to

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<v Speaker 2>his deans, then his trustees. Everyone loves the idea.

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<v Speaker 8>And then over the summer last summer, I went to

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<v Speaker 8>Phil Knight and explained the idea to him, and he

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<v Speaker 8>was enthusiastic about it and came back a month later

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<v Speaker 8>and said he'd help us make it happen.

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<v Speaker 2>Remember, Phil Knight is the co founder of Nike, a

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<v Speaker 2>billionaire many times over at a serious philanthropist. How did

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<v Speaker 2>you pick Phil Knight as someone to approach? Was he

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<v Speaker 2>the first person you approached?

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<v Speaker 8>I knew Phil had been concerned about leadership globally. He

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<v Speaker 8>and I had had a good working relationship.

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<v Speaker 2>So he ends up giving four hundred million. How does

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<v Speaker 2>what arrive at that number? Is that a number you

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<v Speaker 2>suggested to him.

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<v Speaker 8>It's roughly half. I mean where our goal is somewhere

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<v Speaker 8>in the seven fifty to eight hundred to implement the

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<v Speaker 8>entire program, secure it permanently, and so I think in

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<v Speaker 8>the past finding a naming gift that of that scale

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<v Speaker 8>is probably necessary, and then you can find gifts to

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<v Speaker 8>fill in the rest of it.

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<v Speaker 2>It was my criticism of the phil Knight donation that

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<v Speaker 2>led Hennessy to get in touch with me. He wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to explain his thinking, which is John Hennessy wants to

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<v Speaker 2>do a great thing for the world, so he sets

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<v Speaker 2>up an eight hundred million dollar graduate program for one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred elites.

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<v Speaker 1>Doud.

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<v Speaker 2>He's the anti Rowan, right Hank. Rowan wanted to start

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<v Speaker 2>at the bottom and tries to lift as many people

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<v Speaker 2>up as possible. Hennessy starts at the top and lavishes

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<v Speaker 2>eight hundred million on the most exclusive group he can find.

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<v Speaker 2>Rowan is a weaklink guy. His world is soccer. Hennessy

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<v Speaker 2>is playing basketball and he wants to focus his billions

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<v Speaker 2>on the superstars. In the time you've been to Stanford,

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<v Speaker 2>that endowment went from what from eleven to twenty two,

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<v Speaker 2>Is that right?

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 8>Probably about eleven to twenty two, right, most of that's

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<v Speaker 8>endowment returns, not mostly gifts, but there's some gifts in

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<v Speaker 8>there too, obviously.

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<v Speaker 2>What is uh, how much is enough for institution lake Stanford?

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<v Speaker 8>How much is enough? I think we if our ambitions

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<v Speaker 8>don't grow, then I think you do reach a point

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<v Speaker 8>where you have enough money, and I would hope that

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<v Speaker 8>our ambitions for what we want to do as an institution,

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<v Speaker 8>both in our teaching and our research grow.

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<v Speaker 2>In other words, there really isn't such a thing at

0:26:21.916 --> 0:26:25.996
<v Speaker 2>Stanford as enough money. The school's ambitions are always growing,

0:26:26.396 --> 0:26:29.956
<v Speaker 2>so it's endowment should too. Just because you already have

0:26:30.076 --> 0:26:33.356
<v Speaker 2>more resources than almost anyone else doesn't mean you should

0:26:33.356 --> 0:26:38.116
<v Speaker 2>stop collecting even more resources. Hennessy is a hard core

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<v Speaker 2>strong linker. Hypothetically, if you know Bill Gates or Larry

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<v Speaker 2>Ellison came to you and said, I'm giving you ten

0:26:48.436 --> 0:26:51.756
<v Speaker 2>billion dollars, I'm retiring and I'm giving it all. My

0:26:51.876 --> 0:26:55.276
<v Speaker 2>will says everything goes to Stanford. I mean, would you

0:26:55.316 --> 0:26:58.156
<v Speaker 2>say we don't know, we don't need it, or would

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<v Speaker 2>you say we can put the money to good use.

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<v Speaker 8>Well, first of all, I don't think either Larry Ellison

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<v Speaker 8>or Bill Gates is going to give me ten billion

0:27:08.956 --> 0:27:11.436
<v Speaker 8>dollar unless I tell them exactly what I'm going to

0:27:11.516 --> 0:27:12.796
<v Speaker 8>do with it and how I'm going to make it

0:27:12.836 --> 0:27:15.516
<v Speaker 8>a good investment. Since I know both I know both

0:27:15.556 --> 0:27:18.036
<v Speaker 8>of them, I can tell you they won't.

0:27:17.396 --> 0:27:18.116
<v Speaker 7>They won't do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Could you make an argument to Larry Ellison as you

0:27:21.156 --> 0:27:23.276
<v Speaker 2>could put if he gave you ten billion, you could

0:27:23.276 --> 0:27:28.036
<v Speaker 2>put it to good use, ten billion just to put

0:27:28.116 --> 0:27:31.196
<v Speaker 2>us in the ballpark. Because I worry sometimes that Americans

0:27:31.196 --> 0:27:34.996
<v Speaker 2>get a little jaded about big numbers. Ten billion is

0:27:35.036 --> 0:27:38.356
<v Speaker 2>a few billion more than the gross domestic product of Barbados,

0:27:38.836 --> 0:27:43.836
<v Speaker 2>and four billion shy of the gross domestic product of Jamaica. Basically,

0:27:44.116 --> 0:27:47.996
<v Speaker 2>I'm asking what would happen if someone gave you, Stanford

0:27:48.356 --> 0:27:52.316
<v Speaker 2>the average economic output of an entire Caribbean country for

0:27:52.436 --> 0:27:55.956
<v Speaker 2>a year, tax free. By the way, the guy who

0:27:55.956 --> 0:27:58.436
<v Speaker 2>gives the ten billion gets to write it off, and

0:27:58.636 --> 0:28:02.156
<v Speaker 2>every dollar Stanford earns on that ten billion, they get

0:28:02.156 --> 0:28:03.516
<v Speaker 2>to keep ten billion.

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<v Speaker 8>I'd have to do something really dramatic for ten billion dollars,

0:28:09.316 --> 0:28:10.636
<v Speaker 8>really dramatic.

0:28:10.916 --> 0:28:13.436
<v Speaker 2>He thinks about it for a moment. Actually, I counted

0:28:13.876 --> 0:28:16.636
<v Speaker 2>for about two seconds. Then he comes up with something

0:28:16.676 --> 0:28:17.396
<v Speaker 2>really dramatic.

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<v Speaker 8>The one area where I think there is an opportunity

0:28:21.756 --> 0:28:28.076
<v Speaker 8>for significant incremental funding is in the biomedical sciences. If

0:28:28.076 --> 0:28:32.716
<v Speaker 8>that were an endowment, for example, so you're throwing out

0:28:32.716 --> 0:28:35.956
<v Speaker 8>a half a billion dollars a year, I could find

0:28:35.996 --> 0:28:37.996
<v Speaker 8>a way to spend a half billion dollars a year

0:28:37.996 --> 0:28:39.516
<v Speaker 8>in biomedical research.

0:28:41.636 --> 0:28:46.956
<v Speaker 2>Ten billion. He could totally use another ten billion. At

0:28:46.956 --> 0:28:50.436
<v Speaker 2>this point, I'm just curious. I mean, I've read about

0:28:50.476 --> 0:28:53.956
<v Speaker 2>strong link thinkers in books, but I've never actually talked

0:28:53.996 --> 0:28:57.596
<v Speaker 2>with one before. So I keep posing more and more

0:28:57.956 --> 0:29:01.716
<v Speaker 2>far fetched scenarios. Do you ever imagine that a president

0:29:01.796 --> 0:29:06.036
<v Speaker 2>of Stanford might go to a funder and say, at

0:29:06.036 --> 0:29:07.756
<v Speaker 2>this point in our history, the best use of your

0:29:07.756 --> 0:29:10.196
<v Speaker 2>money is to give to the UC system, not to Stanford.

0:29:10.676 --> 0:29:14.156
<v Speaker 2>The UC system is the University of California system ten

0:29:14.196 --> 0:29:18.916
<v Speaker 2>schools Berkeley, UCLA, San Diego, Davis, Santa Barbara, et cetera.

0:29:19.476 --> 0:29:23.036
<v Speaker 2>Maybe the finest group of public universities in the world.

0:29:23.436 --> 0:29:26.356
<v Speaker 2>If you listen to the previous episode of Revisionist History,

0:29:26.596 --> 0:29:28.996
<v Speaker 2>the one about Vassar, I talked about the New York

0:29:29.036 --> 0:29:32.356
<v Speaker 2>Times Access Index. It's a ranking of one hundred and

0:29:32.356 --> 0:29:34.836
<v Speaker 2>eighty universities in the US according to how good a

0:29:34.876 --> 0:29:38.756
<v Speaker 2>job they do in finding, educating, and financially supporting low

0:29:38.836 --> 0:29:43.876
<v Speaker 2>income students. Right now, Vasser comes in eighth. Well, six

0:29:44.076 --> 0:29:47.236
<v Speaker 2>of the first seven spots on that list are University

0:29:47.276 --> 0:29:52.556
<v Speaker 2>of California schools. Stanford has sixteen thousand students. The UC

0:29:52.756 --> 0:29:56.876
<v Speaker 2>system has two hundred and thirty eight thousand students. So

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<v Speaker 2>I'm asking John Hannessy, might there ever ever be an

0:30:01.196 --> 0:30:06.156
<v Speaker 2>instance where he might tell a would be super philanthropist. Look,

0:30:06.796 --> 0:30:09.076
<v Speaker 2>we've already got twenty two billion dollars in the BA,

0:30:09.476 --> 0:30:12.476
<v Speaker 2>higher than the output of two Caribbean countries, and it's

0:30:12.516 --> 0:30:15.836
<v Speaker 2>earning us a couple of tax free billions every year.

0:30:16.716 --> 0:30:20.356
<v Speaker 2>Your dollar would go further at the public institutions down

0:30:20.356 --> 0:30:23.876
<v Speaker 2>the street, since they educate two hundred and twenty two

0:30:24.076 --> 0:30:26.916
<v Speaker 2>thousand more students than we do with a fraction of

0:30:26.956 --> 0:30:31.156
<v Speaker 2>the endowment. I'm not holding Hennessy to his answer. I'm

0:30:31.196 --> 0:30:34.196
<v Speaker 2>not looking for him to make a solemn pledge. I'm

0:30:34.276 --> 0:30:38.876
<v Speaker 2>just asking, well, that would be a hard thing to do, obviously, to.

0:30:40.836 --> 0:30:44.996
<v Speaker 8>Turn them turn them away. And I think the other

0:30:45.076 --> 0:30:49.116
<v Speaker 8>question we'd be asked is how can I have confidence

0:30:49.116 --> 0:30:52.516
<v Speaker 8>that they'll use my money? Well, which we're obviously the

0:30:52.556 --> 0:30:55.276
<v Speaker 8>president of Stanford is not in a position to vouch for.

0:30:55.196 --> 0:30:59.196
<v Speaker 2>I think now I realize he has institutional loyalties. He's

0:30:59.196 --> 0:31:03.116
<v Speaker 2>the head of Stanford, and I must say, I like Tennessee.

0:31:03.356 --> 0:31:05.756
<v Speaker 2>But am I the only one who finds his answer

0:31:05.916 --> 0:31:11.476
<v Speaker 2>ridiculous even offensive? He's suggesting that he can't guarantee that

0:31:11.556 --> 0:31:15.276
<v Speaker 2>the UC system may be the most successful and socially

0:31:15.316 --> 0:31:19.876
<v Speaker 2>progressive public university system in the world. He can't guarantee

0:31:20.036 --> 0:31:23.516
<v Speaker 2>they would use that money well as opposed to what

0:31:24.276 --> 0:31:27.036
<v Speaker 2>as opposed to spending eight hundred million dollars on a

0:31:27.036 --> 0:31:30.116
<v Speaker 2>boutique graduate program for one hundred elite students a year.

0:31:30.756 --> 0:31:32.476
<v Speaker 2>That kind of using money, Well.

0:31:32.756 --> 0:31:36.436
<v Speaker 11>It is the pre eminent scholarship program. You'll get the

0:31:36.436 --> 0:31:38.836
<v Speaker 11>best and brightest young men and women from around the

0:31:38.876 --> 0:31:41.796
<v Speaker 11>world who will receive a graduate education at the world's

0:31:41.796 --> 0:31:43.396
<v Speaker 11>best university.

0:31:43.116 --> 0:31:44.716
<v Speaker 7>When this program is established.

0:31:45.076 --> 0:31:48.116
<v Speaker 2>That's the promotional video for the Scholarship Fund. You just

0:31:48.156 --> 0:31:50.756
<v Speaker 2>heard Phil Knight talking about it. You can watch all

0:31:50.796 --> 0:31:53.916
<v Speaker 2>four minutes and twenty three seconds of it at revisionististory

0:31:53.956 --> 0:31:57.836
<v Speaker 2>dot com. It's impressive lots of drone aerial shots of

0:31:57.916 --> 0:32:02.156
<v Speaker 2>Stanford's spotless palm lined avenues. But let's do the math

0:32:02.236 --> 0:32:08.516
<v Speaker 2>on the scholarship. Hennessy's plan is to fund it from

0:32:08.516 --> 0:32:12.516
<v Speaker 2>the proceeds of investing eight hundred million dollars. It's an endowment.

0:32:13.076 --> 0:32:15.556
<v Speaker 2>The usual rule of thumb is that an endowment gives

0:32:15.556 --> 0:32:18.796
<v Speaker 2>you about five percent a year, so forty million dollars

0:32:19.396 --> 0:32:21.316
<v Speaker 2>and with one hundred students a year in a three

0:32:21.396 --> 0:32:24.036
<v Speaker 2>year program, that comes out to one hundred and thirty

0:32:24.036 --> 0:32:28.356
<v Speaker 2>three thousand dollars per student. One hundred and thirty three

0:32:28.356 --> 0:32:34.796
<v Speaker 2>thousand dollars per student per year are precious medals also involved? Helicopters?

0:32:35.236 --> 0:32:37.316
<v Speaker 2>Are they doing this on a beach at Saint Bart's.

0:32:38.356 --> 0:32:41.556
<v Speaker 2>When Hennessy announced this scholarship, he gave an example of

0:32:41.596 --> 0:32:44.676
<v Speaker 2>the kind of issues that perhaps these mega scholars could tackle.

0:32:45.516 --> 0:32:47.276
<v Speaker 2>He thought that they could look at the effects of

0:32:47.316 --> 0:32:50.396
<v Speaker 2>one hundred million dollar gift that the Facebook founder Mark

0:32:50.476 --> 0:32:54.276
<v Speaker 2>Zuckerberg gave to the New Jersey public school system. Newark

0:32:54.396 --> 0:32:57.996
<v Speaker 2>historically has some of the worst public schools in the country,

0:32:58.236 --> 0:33:01.556
<v Speaker 2>and I guess the reason Hennessy thought Zuckerberg's gift needed

0:33:01.556 --> 0:33:03.916
<v Speaker 2>to be studied. Was that there's a feeling among some

0:33:04.316 --> 0:33:07.356
<v Speaker 2>that the donation hasn't had quite the impact people thought

0:33:07.356 --> 0:33:10.636
<v Speaker 2>it might. This is That's the exact quote Hennessy gave

0:33:10.716 --> 0:33:15.196
<v Speaker 2>to The New York Times. Nobody understood the real difficulty

0:33:15.236 --> 0:33:21.516
<v Speaker 2>in making significant change in the public education system. The

0:33:21.636 --> 0:33:24.276
<v Speaker 2>first thing that the strong Link guy wants to do

0:33:24.356 --> 0:33:27.116
<v Speaker 2>with his crack team of eight hundred million dollar scholars

0:33:27.476 --> 0:33:30.116
<v Speaker 2>is critique the weak Link decision to spend one hundred

0:33:30.116 --> 0:33:34.196
<v Speaker 2>million dollars on poor kids. A billionaire gives a fortune

0:33:34.236 --> 0:33:37.276
<v Speaker 2>to an elite school in order to understand why another

0:33:37.396 --> 0:33:41.716
<v Speaker 2>billionaire's donation to a poor school isn't working out? And

0:33:41.796 --> 0:33:45.636
<v Speaker 2>what if Stanford's mega million dollar scholars can't answer that question,

0:33:46.556 --> 0:33:49.636
<v Speaker 2>should another billionaire give it even more money to an

0:33:49.636 --> 0:33:52.156
<v Speaker 2>even more lead school to answer the question of why

0:33:52.156 --> 0:33:54.756
<v Speaker 2>the four hundred million dollar gift to study the one

0:33:54.876 --> 0:33:59.996
<v Speaker 2>hundred million dollar gift hasn't worked out. Please stop me

0:34:00.116 --> 0:34:05.996
<v Speaker 2>before I tweet again. I'm not saying that the strong

0:34:06.076 --> 0:34:09.636
<v Speaker 2>Link approach is never appropriate. I grew up in Canada

0:34:09.716 --> 0:34:12.516
<v Speaker 2>in the nineteen seventies, and at that time the country

0:34:12.516 --> 0:34:15.316
<v Speaker 2>had lots of good universities, but there was a feeling

0:34:15.436 --> 0:34:17.996
<v Speaker 2>that what the country needed was at least one world

0:34:18.036 --> 0:34:22.716
<v Speaker 2>class science in technology university. So they created that, the

0:34:22.836 --> 0:34:26.436
<v Speaker 2>University of Waterloo, and it was a great idea. But

0:34:26.556 --> 0:34:30.356
<v Speaker 2>the United States today is not Canada in the nineteen seventies.

0:34:30.916 --> 0:34:34.756
<v Speaker 2>It does not suffer from an excess of egalitarianism. It

0:34:34.836 --> 0:34:38.676
<v Speaker 2>suffers from the opposite problem. Its strong links have never

0:34:38.716 --> 0:34:42.116
<v Speaker 2>been stronger. And when you make strong link arguments at

0:34:42.116 --> 0:34:47.316
<v Speaker 2>a time like now, you end up sounding ridiculous. Just listen.

0:34:51.596 --> 0:34:56.156
<v Speaker 2>February twenty fourteen, the billionaire hedge fund manager Ken Griffin

0:34:56.236 --> 0:34:59.756
<v Speaker 2>gives one hundred and fifty million dollars to Harvard is

0:34:59.836 --> 0:35:03.876
<v Speaker 2>to support Harvard's financial aid program. Here's what the President

0:35:03.876 --> 0:35:08.876
<v Speaker 2>of Harvard says, Ken Griffin's extraordinary philanthropy is opening Harvard's

0:35:08.876 --> 0:35:12.316
<v Speaker 2>gate wider to the most talented students in the world,

0:35:12.676 --> 0:35:17.676
<v Speaker 2>no matter their economic circumstances. And here's what Ken Griffin says.

0:35:18.596 --> 0:35:20.996
<v Speaker 2>My goal with this gift is to make sure and

0:35:21.076 --> 0:35:24.396
<v Speaker 2>this is the exact quote, that our nation's best and

0:35:24.436 --> 0:35:30.116
<v Speaker 2>brightest have continued access to this outstanding institution. Now, let

0:35:30.116 --> 0:35:33.996
<v Speaker 2>me remind you, at the time of Griffin's gift, Harvard

0:35:34.036 --> 0:35:38.236
<v Speaker 2>had an endowment of thirty six billion dollars. So a

0:35:38.276 --> 0:35:41.676
<v Speaker 2>billionaire gives one hundred and fifty million to an institution

0:35:42.116 --> 0:35:45.236
<v Speaker 2>that has an endowment of thirty six billion because he

0:35:45.356 --> 0:35:48.876
<v Speaker 2>thinks the school needs help opening its gates wider to

0:35:48.916 --> 0:35:52.676
<v Speaker 2>the most talented students in the world, because he's worried

0:35:52.916 --> 0:35:56.316
<v Speaker 2>that thirty six billion might not be enough to ensure

0:35:56.436 --> 0:36:01.316
<v Speaker 2>continued access to this outstanding institution. These two comments were

0:36:01.356 --> 0:36:04.716
<v Speaker 2>not off the cough remarks. I'm reading them from the

0:36:04.756 --> 0:36:10.996
<v Speaker 2>official Harvard press release. Trained professionals perfected those quotes. Smart

0:36:11.236 --> 0:36:14.636
<v Speaker 2>Harvard educated people approved them. They probably sat down in

0:36:14.716 --> 0:36:18.156
<v Speaker 2>teams around a long oak antique conference table dating back

0:36:18.196 --> 0:36:20.396
<v Speaker 2>to the eighteen hundreds and came up with what they

0:36:20.436 --> 0:36:24.876
<v Speaker 2>thought was the most compelling justification for why giving another

0:36:25.156 --> 0:36:27.516
<v Speaker 2>one hundred and fifty million dollars to Harvard is a

0:36:27.556 --> 0:36:31.636
<v Speaker 2>good idea? Is that the best they could come up with.

0:36:32.036 --> 0:36:36.196
<v Speaker 2>We're talking because I, as you know, have been critical

0:36:36.236 --> 0:36:38.716
<v Speaker 2>of some of the I'm part of the backlash. I

0:36:38.716 --> 0:36:41.996
<v Speaker 2>guess back to my conversation with John Hennessy of Stanford,

0:36:42.396 --> 0:36:46.796
<v Speaker 2>and I'm just curious about whether how common or how

0:36:47.716 --> 0:36:50.436
<v Speaker 2>often do you run into the two backlash to people

0:36:50.476 --> 0:36:55.116
<v Speaker 2>saying enough with some of these large Am I a

0:36:55.156 --> 0:36:57.716
<v Speaker 2>lonely voice? Or is this something that you have encountered

0:36:57.756 --> 0:36:59.516
<v Speaker 2>a lot and think about a lot?

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<v Speaker 8>We don't encounter it a lot, I would say. I

0:37:05.716 --> 0:37:09.476
<v Speaker 8>think the reason we probably don't encounter it is that

0:37:10.876 --> 0:37:16.276
<v Speaker 8>we don't view this as who gets the biggest slice

0:37:16.316 --> 0:37:21.796
<v Speaker 8>of pie here? We view it as what can we do?

0:37:22.196 --> 0:37:24.596
<v Speaker 8>What can we do to that's transformative? How can we

0:37:24.636 --> 0:37:26.516
<v Speaker 8>increase our contributions to the world.

0:37:27.196 --> 0:37:30.596
<v Speaker 2>I mentioned maybe the most obvious criticism of what Stanford

0:37:30.636 --> 0:37:33.996
<v Speaker 2>is doing, and he says, we don't encounter it a lot.

0:37:34.756 --> 0:37:39.236
<v Speaker 2>Apparently the President of Stanford only encounters people who look

0:37:39.236 --> 0:37:42.596
<v Speaker 2>at American higher education and conclude that what it really

0:37:42.636 --> 0:37:46.516
<v Speaker 2>needs is more money at the top. With all due respect,

0:37:46.956 --> 0:37:50.156
<v Speaker 2>the president of Stanford needs to get out more. Take

0:37:50.196 --> 0:37:53.396
<v Speaker 2>a little trip to Glassborough, New Jersey, to the campus

0:37:53.436 --> 0:37:57.156
<v Speaker 2>of what's now called Rowan University. Maybe take a look

0:37:57.196 --> 0:37:58.196
<v Speaker 2>at the statue up front.

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<v Speaker 3>Cannot he's talking about family? Have we got everything?

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<v Speaker 7>I would say, as.

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