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Speaker 2: You can follow him on Instagram at the Silver Seas,

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Speaker 3: Here we go. Daniel Tashian, Hey Daniel, good to meet you.

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Speaker 2: I was talking on a podcast recently about Ringo's upcoming

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Speaker 3: on the piano.

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Speaker 1: Hmmm.

439
00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:42,240
Speaker 2: I think we like a eighteen jobs and a life.

440
00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:44,560
Speaker 2: I think it was a little harder. But also I

441
00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:48,879
Speaker 2: think by there is music, I just can't. I shouldn't

442
00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:50,240
Speaker 2: say can't, cause I don't say can't for anything.

443
00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:52,679
Speaker 3: Music was very difficult for me.

444
00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:57,320
Speaker 2: It was like learning an entirely new language, where like

445
00:19:57,320 --> 00:19:59,200
Speaker 2: I can play guitar, but I don't play, but I'm

446
00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:02,840
Speaker 2: reading music. Learn to read tab on a poster from Walmart,

447
00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:05,439
Speaker 2: and I'll do. And that's why I wanted to do piano,

448
00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:07,200
Speaker 2: is because I'll write comedy songs and I'll go and

449
00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:08,920
Speaker 2: we'll play these shows. And I thought, well, it'd be

450
00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:10,359
Speaker 2: nice to be able to play some of these on piano.

451
00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:13,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know. I hired a piano teacher about like

452
00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:14,080
Speaker 3: six weeks of lessons.

453
00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:17,760
Speaker 2: About two weeks in, I was like, not for me,

454
00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:20,640
Speaker 2: I'll pay all six out, but I'm gonna not wait.

455
00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:22,520
Speaker 1: There's some Yeah, there's some things that you just don't

456
00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:25,720
Speaker 1: you just you just know, you know yourself, and you're like,

457
00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:27,800
Speaker 1: I know myself. I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna commit

458
00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:31,640
Speaker 1: myself to this because commitments, that's that's what you that's

459
00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:33,960
Speaker 1: your bread and butter right there, there's your discipline. You know,

460
00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:36,040
Speaker 1: if you're not going to commit to something, you're not

461
00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:37,600
Speaker 1: gonna you're not gonna do it.

462
00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:39,080
Speaker 3: Was on my right hand just sucks.

463
00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:41,919
Speaker 2: So left handed yeah, I think if you gave me

464
00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:46,120
Speaker 2: two left hands on the piano, really interesting.

465
00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:48,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, right hand I learned like two tricks. I still

466
00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:48,640
Speaker 3: do sometimes.

467
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Speaker 1: Are you left handed?

468
00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:49,840
Speaker 3: I am?

469
00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:51,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, that makes sense.

470
00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:53,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, so there was no it was all bass I got.

471
00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:57,440
Speaker 3: There was the right hand ik. That hand was not good.

472
00:20:57,840 --> 00:20:59,119
Speaker 2: But I learned a couple of tricks, and so I

473
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Speaker 2: go places and I'll do it a couple of tricks

474
00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:02,280
Speaker 2: I learned, and then they'll like play some more, and

475
00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:04,399
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, I don't feel like interesting. Yeah, I

476
00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:06,159
Speaker 2: just do that trick. But the party track and a

477
00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:08,040
Speaker 2: party trick. Yeah, I don't really play at all.

478
00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:09,080
Speaker 1: Fair enough you play?

479
00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:09,919
Speaker 3: How's your piano?

480
00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:14,040
Speaker 1: I'm currently taking lessons, no way, yeah, currently taking lessons.

481
00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:16,920
Speaker 1: I take from a guy named Jody Nardone who's really good.

482
00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:20,399
Speaker 1: How good are you well? I mean he didn't he

483
00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:22,359
Speaker 1: told me last week he said I was doing a

484
00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:24,680
Speaker 1: good job. I mean it's hard to sort. Humble, don't humble,

485
00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:25,560
Speaker 1: it's hard to know. Can you play?

486
00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:26,560
Speaker 3: Are you play in front of people?

487
00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:29,320
Speaker 1: Yeah? I'm not shy. I'll play in front of people.

488
00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:30,280
Speaker 1: I'll play a song.

489
00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:31,159
Speaker 3: Would you play a recital.

490
00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:33,040
Speaker 2: If I said we're gonna have a recital, you and

491
00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:34,840
Speaker 2: you're gonna come and play the recital.

492
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Speaker 1: I do one song I'm not gonna do.

493
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Speaker 3: I just don't know how much you're sandbagging me here

494
00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:38,960
Speaker 3: because I know.

495
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Speaker 1: But I'm not a pianist in the sense of like

496
00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:44,360
Speaker 1: I'm fast and and and I do songwriter piano where

497
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Speaker 1: I play chords and I and I accompany my accompaniment.

498
00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:49,000
Speaker 1: That's what I do on the piano. You know, I

499
00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:51,480
Speaker 1: can figure a part out in the studio and play,

500
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Speaker 1: but I'm not. I'm not like, I'm not gonna sit

501
00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:56,280
Speaker 1: down and play Chopin or something for you. So what

502
00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:57,520
Speaker 1: if that's what you want to do.

503
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Speaker 2: I actually only want chopin, So I guess we're out. Yeah,

504
00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:03,080
Speaker 2: that's the demand chopin and only the hits.

505
00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:04,520
Speaker 1: Okay, what so.

506
00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:10,480
Speaker 2: I mean, let's take away the drums. Like if you're

507
00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:11,679
Speaker 2: gonna write, are you on guitar?

508
00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:13,199
Speaker 1: I write a lot on the piano.

509
00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:15,399
Speaker 3: I gotta say, Okay, see, you're stand bagging me.

510
00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:17,320
Speaker 1: It's in the kitchen. I got one in the in

511
00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:20,040
Speaker 1: the breakfast room and it's right there. So I'll put

512
00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:23,120
Speaker 1: the put the tea water on or the coffee machine going,

513
00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:24,960
Speaker 1: and I'll get over on the piano and that's all.

514
00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:26,680
Speaker 1: I get a lot of ideas there.

515
00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:32,040
Speaker 3: You melody. You get melodies in your head and concepts

516
00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:34,520
Speaker 3: in your head, and you chase them furs, which which happens.

517
00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:39,520
Speaker 1: Most well, first concept for a song, and then once

518
00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:41,680
Speaker 1: you've got a concept, that'll be a group of words,

519
00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:50,600
Speaker 1: right like I don't know, uh, Tuesday morning, and it

520
00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:52,920
Speaker 1: has a rhythm to it.

521
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:55,040
Speaker 3: In your head, like you've just you've naturally assigned a rhythm.

522
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:58,200
Speaker 1: Well, just the words to Tuesday morning. You know, it's

523
00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:00,840
Speaker 1: it's it's very even. It's two groups of and then

524
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:05,320
Speaker 1: you think, you know, you start to mess around with that, keep.

525
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:08,320
Speaker 2: Talking to me, because you're saying things I can't imagine

526
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,360
Speaker 2: or picture. It's I'm larnt so I would not think

527
00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:12,520
Speaker 2: the words Tuesday morning.

528
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:14,119
Speaker 1: Well, it's not gonna sound good if you make a

529
00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:17,480
Speaker 1: big jump on Tuesday, like Tuesday morning, because it makes

530
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:20,280
Speaker 1: when you make a jump, it makes the day stand

531
00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:23,120
Speaker 1: out more than it should. So then you look around, Okay,

532
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:26,520
Speaker 1: that's not gonna work, you know what I mean, finding

533
00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:28,760
Speaker 1: different notes. I'm listening to my eyes so wide open them.

534
00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:30,600
Speaker 2: Well, if you go watch an open heart surgery right now.

535
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:31,480
Speaker 2: Don't stop cutting, doc.

536
00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:35,040
Speaker 1: Well, if you go Tuesday or if you go morning,

537
00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 1: it's it's like, no, that's not it. It's more straight

538
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:43,760
Speaker 1: than that. Tuesday morning. That's what the Velvet Underground did.

539
00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:46,280
Speaker 1: But it's Monday morning, Sunday morning or whatever. That's a

540
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:48,400
Speaker 1: great song is and they're using it on a lot

541
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:52,439
Speaker 1: of NFL ads. Have you seen it? The Monday Sunday

542
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:54,000
Speaker 1: morning song Velvet Underground.

543
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,200
Speaker 3: I think I just oh, oh, you mean this Velvet Underground.

544
00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:02,080
Speaker 1: They're using that specific song. But so yeah, I mean,

545
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:06,360
Speaker 1: you can do this. It's not it's not rocket science.

546
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 3: We just do it a different way. We'll just pay

547
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:09,919
Speaker 3: somebody in the neck like I did it. You're a

548
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:13,520
Speaker 3: ghost writer there you go okay, well good, so okay.

549
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:15,200
Speaker 1: Then kick it out the door. You get it done.

550
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,440
Speaker 3: You have pianos were in the house.

551
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:21,359
Speaker 1: I have two pianos a number of keyboards, but I

552
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:23,520
Speaker 1: have one in the studio and one in the kitchen.

553
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,399
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to feel inspiration here, and let's say, yeah,

554
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:27,320
Speaker 2: you're inspired.

555
00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:30,119
Speaker 3: You maybe in your sleep you think of something.

556
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 2: Or you keep maybe you'll sit down and just start

557
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:35,800
Speaker 2: to kind of clank it out? Do you record while

558
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:36,679
Speaker 2: you're while you're clinking?

559
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:38,679
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what the most inspiring is. Yeah, I've

560
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:40,119
Speaker 1: got a bunch of voice memos. I mean, you know,

561
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 1: And what the most inspiring thing for me is is

562
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:47,440
Speaker 1: what I was. I was watching a basketball game the

563
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,680
Speaker 1: other night and then this ad for Gallatin Ford came

564
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 1: on and the lady said, we've re done our dealership.

565
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 1: We've now We've now got the power of purpose. And

566
00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:00,719
Speaker 1: I thought, Okay, that's it. That's the phrase, the of purpose.

567
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 1: And what I mean is the best way to write

568
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:05,160
Speaker 1: a song is when you need to write a song.

569
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:07,960
Speaker 1: So if you've got a comedy thing and you've got

570
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 1: a spot and you need a song for it, you'll

571
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:11,400
Speaker 1: get it. You'll get it done. And it's the same

572
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,879
Speaker 1: thing with me. When there's a need for a song,

573
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 1: that's the best way to get it.

574
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 3: Give me an example of a song that happened.

575
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 1: With well, I mean anything like okay, just just last

576
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 1: you know, a couple of weeks recording some music with

577
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:27,399
Speaker 1: Casey Musgraves is like, you know, she needed something in

578
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,159
Speaker 1: a certain mood and a certain kind of genre and

579
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 1: a certain kind of feeling. Yeah, a certain thing, there's

580
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:34,919
Speaker 1: a need that arises. So I've got the power of

581
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:38,160
Speaker 1: purpose behind me. I'm going to sit down and work

582
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 1: within these parameters to try to make something. And that's

583
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 1: the way to get it done. That's why those Broadway

584
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 1: writers were able to to get so many things done,

585
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:52,159
Speaker 1: you know, is they got the purpose without necessity. For

586
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:55,199
Speaker 1: a song, I'm lost, I'll I'll just goof off all

587
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,720
Speaker 1: day if I no one needs anything.

588
00:25:58,440 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 3: How hard is it?

589
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:01,880
Speaker 2: And maybe hard not the word, but what's the difference

590
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 2: in writing We'll call them adult songs and kids songs.

591
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,719
Speaker 1: No difference. They got to be they got to be good,

592
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 1: and they got to be simple for everybody.

593
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 2: When you're writing kids songs full Just a little disclosure here.

594
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:22,360
Speaker 2: I did a kid's record that the Cracker Broil bought.

595
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,120
Speaker 2: It's pretty good. Yeah, pretty good. I mean yeah, it's

596
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:25,960
Speaker 2: only eleven albums.

597
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:26,439
Speaker 3: Is awesome.

598
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 1: That's like, that's so cool that you did that.

599
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 2: And so I started to struggle after I had written

600
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 2: a couple I wrote like a rap at first by accident, right,

601
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:36,400
Speaker 2: it was like about the planets, and.

602
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 3: I'm like, this would be cool. But then I started

603
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:40,440
Speaker 3: like second guessing.

604
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:46,680
Speaker 2: How simple it should or shouldn't be based on the kid,

605
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 2: based on the age.

606
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:51,440
Speaker 3: Did it with the kid's book too, And I got

607
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 3: in my head going, I don't know a four year nine, like,

608
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:55,399
Speaker 3: I didn't really know.

609
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,479
Speaker 2: I was lost in that space where I have friends

610
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:02,680
Speaker 2: that have that are and they know exactly who they're

611
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 2: writing to. H I just felt like in that kid

612
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 2: world there was such a distinct difference in a four

613
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 2: and a eight year old.

614
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,359
Speaker 1: Maybe, but I always felt like I was underestimated, Like

615
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 1: you know, like I never wanted to have like a

616
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 1: little kiddie plate with like little dividers for all the

617
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:19,439
Speaker 1: food and a little sippy cup or anything like that.

618
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 1: I wanted to have the china and the I just

619
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 1: a kid that didn't want to be demeaned in that way.

620
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,679
Speaker 1: You know. I was a pretty I considered myself to

621
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 1: be a thinking, feeling, sensitive person and I didn't want

622
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:32,880
Speaker 1: to be treated like a baby. So when I make

623
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 1: things for children, I make things for myself as a child,

624
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 1: which I still feel like I am in my heart.

625
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:47,159
Speaker 1: And they're they're like Henry Mancini, They're sophisticated in a

626
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,880
Speaker 1: certain way. They are you know, I realize I price

627
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 1: myself out of stuff. But I don't like stuff that's

628
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,679
Speaker 1: pandering or kind of demeaning to kids.

629
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 2: Really say more by that, you realize you price yourself

630
00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 2: out of stuff.

631
00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 1: What do you mean, Well, I just mean sometimes I

632
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,919
Speaker 1: think the things I did well, we did get nominated

633
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 1: for a Grammy for the first first kids thing that

634
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 1: I did. But I think, you know, some of the

635
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 1: things you listen to that are there in that space

636
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 1: that are supposed to be for kids, they're kind of

637
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,640
Speaker 1: stupid and and I don't I'm not into that.

638
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 3: See.

639
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:18,919
Speaker 2: I kind of felt the challenge because I didn't know.

640
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:21,160
Speaker 2: And I think one of the great things about making

641
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 2: that kids album was we did we were doing.

642
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:23,919
Speaker 3: I think there's a beauty to that.

643
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,399
Speaker 2: Sure, Sure, when you're naive, Yeah, that's the way to

644
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 2: do it, right, Yeah, I don't know the rules, that's

645
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 2: the way to do it.

646
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:30,640
Speaker 1: Absolutely.

647
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 2: I think once we kind of got involved and started,

648
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 2: we'd written six or seven songs and we started to

649
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 2: have people to be a little bit interested, then we

650
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 2: started doing the opposite.

651
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 1: Interesting. Yeah, we're like.

652
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 3: Then trying to guess and speculate and why and let's

653
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 3: get dumber.

654
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 2: And that was the wrong thing for us to do, right,

655
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 2: We did exactly what you just said, and I think

656
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Speaker 2: we learned a lot from it.

657
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Speaker 3: But that's what we did. We were like, we need

658
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 3: to make this dumber.

659
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 1: Well, when you talk about sports and music parallels, one

660
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 1: thing that stands out to me is the psychological hurdles

661
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 1: that athletes have to get over in order to get

662
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 1: out and perform. And it's the same thing that creative

663
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 1: people have to You have to kind of get through

664
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 1: the second guessing thing. If you're a kicker, you know,

665
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 1: you got to just do what you do, you know,

666
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 1: and you can't get in your head.

667
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Speaker 5: Let's take a quick pause for a message from our

668
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Speaker 5: sponsor and we're back on the Bobby Cast.

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Speaker 2: Getting in your head that's tough, I mean, especially when

670
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 2: you live in your head, right, Yeah, hard to say

671
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 2: don't And I do it too, Like, don't get in

672
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 2: my head when I literally depend on whatever is in

673
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 2: my head. But do you ever create something and you're

674
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 2: in it so long or just so intensely mm hmm

675
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 2: that you start to go, I don't know if this

676
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 2: is good anymore, just because I'm no in it.

677
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 1: I don't like that. I personally don't I like to

678
00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 1: move fast. I really do. I like to get the

679
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 1: thought out and complete it as much as I can,

680
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 1: and if it's not useful or good, I like to

681
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 1: get onto something else. I don't I don't like to

682
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 1: do you. I mean, I don't like to work on

683
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 1: stuff for a really long time. I don't like that

684
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 1: at all.

685
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 3: I will write a joke or a set of jokes,

686
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 3: and then I will go and it's so funny to

687
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 3: me when I'm writing it, and then I'm like, I

688
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 3: don't know if this is funny anymore.

689
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 1: Oh, you hit it in a different well, one parallel

690
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 1: that I can you know, relate on. That is, sometimes

691
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 1: the tempo of a song will hit you different ways.

692
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 1: So like you work on something at one twenty two

693
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 1: and then you come in listen to it later and

694
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 1: it feels so slow, so you got to bump it up,

695
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 1: or or it feels too fast and you got to

696
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 1: pull it down a little bit because it doesn't have

697
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 1: the swagger or something, you know. So tempos are funny

698
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 1: that way. But I imagine jokes are kind of like

699
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 1: tempo in the sense that depending on your mood, it

700
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 1: can hit you in a different way.

701
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, and depending on I mean literally the tempo of

702
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:52,719
Speaker 3: the words and how you're saying them.

703
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, give me a joke. You wrote it lately,

704
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 2: so that's the absolute word. The answer to that is no.

705
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 1: Because I am so fascinated, because I mean, I can't.

706
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 2: Pull voice memos. So this is what I could. This

707
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 2: is what you would do if I were to go

708
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 2: pull up songs. Let me see what I have here.

709
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 1: So like, I cannot imagine trying to sit down and

710
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 1: write a joke. That seems super super hard.

711
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 3: It is.

712
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 1: I'd rather try to pull vault.

713
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 2: What sucks about writing jokes is that you can't practice

714
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 2: them unless you do it in front of people.

715
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 1: Can't practice with your with your wife or your friends

716
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 1: or anybody.

717
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 2: Like, especially not my wife. He's funnier than I am.

718
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 2: But even then, if you tell a joke to one person,

719
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 2: if I were to play, like, I'll play guitar in

720
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 2: my act a little bit, but I can practice guitar

721
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 2: all day and get better at it. I do not

722
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 2: know if a joke works until I do it in

723
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 2: front of people and they judge me live, and I

724
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 2: know it's not going to work the perfect way the

725
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 2: first time I do it, So you kind of have

726
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 2: to go into it and go, well, I'm gonna go

727
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 2: and deliver this, and I'm not going to get the

728
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 2: response I want, but please don't let it be an

729
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 2: terrible total. I'll give you an example of something I

730
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 2: just did. This is so like, this is vulnerable here, Daniel,

731
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 2: I like it, because let's go.

732
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 3: And I have a lot of these. So we went.

733
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Speaker 2: I went and I hosted a thing called the Marconi

734
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 2: Awards in New York and Dan Patrick was there, the

735
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 2: sports guy. And I love Dan Patrick. Loved one on

736
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 2: Sports Center when I was a kid. And so what's

737
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 2: really hard about writing for events is you only get

738
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 2: to the jokes one time, and you can't practice in

739
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 2: front of anybody. So all that practicing out the window

740
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 2: because it is very specific to that occasion. Yeah, and

741
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 2: I said, he was in the crowd and I recognized him.

742
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 2: I was like, hey, Dan Patrick's here, said, I'm a

743
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 2: massive Dan Patrick fan. Said three things that I am

744
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 2: amazed by with Dan. Number One, he changed the landscape

745
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 2: of sports and pop culture, melded them together. Number Two,

746
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 2: he's turned what he's doing now into one of the

747
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 2: most entertaining radio shows, the most trusted voices in sports

748
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 2: radio and three and what I'm amazed by the most

749
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 2: and what I aspire to do. He charges two hundred

750
00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 2: bucks for a cameo and so okay. And so in that,

751
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 2: you know, I read you on that. I know what's

752
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 2: your work because in that room it worked worked.

753
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you put the you kind of gave the

754
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 1: three and you numbered them the three.

755
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 3: That's that's the simple. That is one.

756
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 2: And in music there are a lot of formulas that

757
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 2: you can work inside the formula for sure, ten million ways.

758
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 3: But do jokes one, two.

759
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 1: Three, yep?

760
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 3: You know wow that so that would be a joke

761
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 3: that I okay.

762
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 1: So again you've got the power of purpose because you

763
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 1: knew you're going to see this guy and you you know,

764
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 1: you had to have something something.

765
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 2: But I bet you have in your notes a lot

766
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 2: of half written concepts that if you just read it

767
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 2: to somebody that would be like what planet is your

768
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 2: mind on?

769
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 1: Totally okay? And that is that is that where jokes

770
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 1: come for you.

771
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 2: I have so many like half written jokes that I

772
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 2: don't even understand, you know how. Sometimes you'll write something

773
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 2: in your handwriting and you're like, what did I even

774
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 2: write there? That's what some of my jokes are.

775
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 1: What's a half one half baked?

776
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 2: You're the fact that you want me to do this

777
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 2: is crazy, Like I can't because I do this to

778
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 2: Pan all the time.

779
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 1: I cannot imagine.

780
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 2: What do you have to pull your phone out? Well,

781
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 2: and here some concepts. Then we'll go, we'll go match

782
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 2: for match a little bit.

783
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:20,879
Speaker 3: Here. I even have like some I keep new book ideas.

784
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 1: I don't even know what I've got in here. But

785
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,399
Speaker 1: what if somebody listened to this and then they went

786
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 1: and they took one of my concepts and they wrote

787
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,240
Speaker 1: a song with it. That would be the only.

788
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 3: Thing that might Well, don't give us with your best

789
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 3: that might don't give us.

790
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 2: Your best, give us like a just like a generic.

791
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 2: I don't you have nothing? Let me see, this is

792
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 2: my favorite thing. I'll give you some of my stuff here.

793
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:58,720
Speaker 2: So and so this is gonna be bad. But my

794
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 2: wife and I wrote this. I wrote watching Batman logic.

795
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,439
Speaker 2: So my wife doesn't watch superhero movies. Really, she doesn't

796
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 2: hate them, but.

797
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 3: She never watches them. By the way, this is my

798
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 3: favorite thing I've ever done in an interview where we

799
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 3: do because it feels so.

800
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 1: Vulnerable, I tell you, and that might be more vulnerable,

801
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: but go on about Batman.

802
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:18,800
Speaker 2: So because this is not going to be that funny

803
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:20,439
Speaker 2: when I explain it to you. But you can see

804
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 2: how the clay that.

805
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 3: I'm cutting right, uh huh.

806
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 2: My wife and I were watching Batman. It's Robert Pattinson

807
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 2: version of it. She's like, I dont get it. Yeah,

808
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 2: and I'm like what.

809
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:33,319
Speaker 3: She's like what what? What even is he? And I'm like,

810
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,840
Speaker 3: what do you mean? She goes, he's not he can't fly, yeah,

811
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 3: he can't run fast, Yeah, he's rich. What's super about him?

812
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 3: Except he's super? And and I'm like, no, no, you

813
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 3: don't understand. Like he has like the Batmobile. She's like, okay,

814
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:48,760
Speaker 3: well you have you have a tesla?

815
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:49,320
Speaker 1: Yeah?

816
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 3: Like why And so her whole logic she totally crushed

817
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:54,280
Speaker 3: Batman to me, like, took all these years of childhood

818
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,240
Speaker 3: loving Batan right and now about thirty seconds, Yeah, showed

819
00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 3: me why I'm an idiot and Batman's a loser.

820
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: Or why it doesn't resonate for her. Yeah yeah why then?

821
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, mostly I just cried.

822
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:09,280
Speaker 2: So the whole thing was she took all my childhood

823
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,879
Speaker 2: in about thirty seconds to why I was ridiculous. Yeah, yeah,

824
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 2: So like I wrote, yes, like watching Batman. Another one

825
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:18,280
Speaker 2: is asked my wife, but it was like having a period,

826
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,240
Speaker 2: like I'm pastor. I was like, tell me, like, explain

827
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 2: to me what it's like having Yeah.

828
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:26,240
Speaker 3: And she said, look at the last thing that you googled,

829
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 3: and so I did, and it was something like autographed

830
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 3: Saints helmet of Alvin Kamara. And then she goes, look

831
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 3: the last thing I googled, and it said, uh, does

832
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 3: Uber Eats delivered diet coke or something like that? Right?

833
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 2: And I just remembered that. So I wrote that little

834
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 2: concept down and from that.

835
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 1: The last thing you googled is funny?

836
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:48,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I can make that funny.

837
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 2: Of what she did, it could be like does you

838
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:54,760
Speaker 2: know do they deliver cookie dough ice cream at whatever

839
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 2: the case is. But that would be the concepts that

840
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 2: I write down for jokes that I then go out

841
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 2: and try to work until I can make them funny.

842
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 3: You mean you workshop them, yes, but you have to

843
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 3: workshop live.

844
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 1: You have to workshop live. Yeah, and you do them

845
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 1: fast though, so if one bombs, you're on.

846
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 2: The bombs as great as as that, because sometimes my

847
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 2: jokes are so bad. People don't know their jokes.

848
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 1: They don't even know. No, I just keep going, keep going.

849
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 3: People will be like, no, he didn't miss a joke

850
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 3: all night, No, I do.

851
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 1: So stand up is what what sort of slice of

852
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 1: the pie of your life is.

853
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 2: That in different seasons it's up to like thirty to

854
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:33,360
Speaker 2: forty percent. Yeah, because I will tour and do thirty theaters. Yeah,

855
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 2: and then I'll not I'll go do a sports show

856
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 2: or a TV show. Yeah, So at times it is

857
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 2: very significant. Yeah, I feel like I'm writing all the time.

858
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,359
Speaker 2: I'm doing the radio show and I'm writing jokes all

859
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:46,280
Speaker 2: the time. Right now, I'm not in that space because

860
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 2: I got a couple of sports shows that we're doing. Yeah,

861
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 2: but when I'm on it is really all I focus on. Yeah,

862
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 2: what about songwriting for you versus producing? Like, what what's

863
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 2: what's your pie?

864
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:57,240
Speaker 1: Kind of go hand in hand. I mean I'm always

865
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 1: writing songs. I mean I'm just I'm just just always doing.

866
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 3: You gotta give me something vulnerable though, because.

867
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going to I'll just play you, uh something

868
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,360
Speaker 1: I just started playing this morning. I went to the piano.

869
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 1: I knew I was going to see somebody today. So

870
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,959
Speaker 1: that person I'm playing.

871
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:33,319
Speaker 3: So, is that you placing a holder for for word?

872
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:33,919
Speaker 1: Yeah?

873
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 3: The melody with the music?

874
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 1: Yeah?

875
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 3: Would that be more for you to remember or to

876
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:49,359
Speaker 3: send us somebody to go? This is kind of what

877
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 3: I have going.

878
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 1: But see, I don't really highly rate that, Like I

879
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 1: don't value that. That's just that's just nothing. Really, it's

880
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 1: nothing until it's got the right words with it. And

881
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:02,319
Speaker 1: the words are the most important thing.

882
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:05,399
Speaker 4: And and and you know, it's like it's just a

883
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:09,399
Speaker 4: bit of melody that I like, you know, so but

884
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 4: with that, but really I got a hundred thousand of

885
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 4: those and really don't They are not worth anything if

886
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 4: you don't put any any words with them.

887
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 1: They're just but.

888
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 2: You've got placeholders there for words that the melody that

889
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 2: you're god like.

890
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 3: I'm just.

891
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you it's hooky to me?

892
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 2: Do you create that so you can reassign lyrics, or

893
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:34,359
Speaker 2: so you can together reassigne Like, what's the next step

894
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 2: with something like that? Doesn't have to be that one specifically,

895
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 2: what's the next step, Well, find some words to put.

896
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 3: To it, and and do you do that or do

897
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 3: you do it with another writer?

898
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 1: Could be with that with another writer or by myself

899
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 1: depending on what you know, where we're at. You know,

900
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:52,919
Speaker 1: with someone like Casey Musgraves, like she has so many

901
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 1: great words and so many great titles that it's just

902
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:59,399
Speaker 1: it's awesome to work with somebody that's that that good.

903
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 2: Casey's one of my with words top five favorite artists ever. Yeah,

904
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:08,439
Speaker 2: I think you know, obviously you guys did Golden Hour

905
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 2: and we'll go through all that. But Casey has a

906
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 2: couple of like perfect albums to me sure which there

907
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 2: may be four that I can think of in my

908
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 2: life that are like no skips, yeah for sure, Like

909
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 2: Licensed Ills one for sure, like those that are from

910
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:24,800
Speaker 2: like that.

911
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:30,879
Speaker 3: But you know, Casey as a writer, extremely prolific. Yeah,

912
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 3: but I don't.

913
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 2: Get to work with her on a level like you do.

914
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 2: I get I could world no level. I mean I

915
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 2: just listen. Yeah, what makes her special as.

916
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:44,760
Speaker 1: A writer observation, You know, I think she is very observant,

917
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 1: and she listens to things people say, and she's able

918
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 1: to catch those titles from from out things that people

919
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 1: are saying, you know, and and then she's got just instincts.

920
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 1: It's just that simple. It's like a boxer. She's just

921
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 1: got int thinks about how to make a knockout? Uh

922
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:09,319
Speaker 1: and wind it, you know, and I just I just

923
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:12,800
Speaker 1: love her slow Burn, slow Burn, It's great.

924
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:13,800
Speaker 3: Damn.

925
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:19,320
Speaker 2: I was thinking of of the songs that you wrote.

926
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 3: I was going through them ranking in my head.

927
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 2: Thanks, I know, but they're all yours though, so that

928
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 2: you went and you lose. And I think one that

929
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 2: that the first time I listened, I was like, Okay,

930
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 2: it's pretty good. The one that really grew on me

931
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 2: and I think just melodically was Lonely Weekend.

932
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 1: Lonely Weekend. Yeah, I'm proud that one.

933
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 2: Because I listened to it and I think it was

934
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 2: But the more I heard it, the more I like again,

935
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 2: appreciated how the melody of it, and I guess maybe

936
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 2: I didn't feel the lyrics as much.

937
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:55,439
Speaker 3: Sure, but but yeah, melodically, like I love that song now.

938
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 1: That melody, Yeah me too, I do too.

939
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,080
Speaker 3: Tell me about that song specifically.

940
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:03,399
Speaker 1: Well, I was up at my publisher, Big Yellow Big

941
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 1: Yellow Dog, and I needed to have some little tracks

942
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 1: for like I don't know if people wanted to come

943
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 1: through like some of these songs, like artists like I

944
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 1: don't know who it would have been, but you know,

945
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 1: I remember Brad Tercy people like that were kind of around.

946
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 1: I was writing with some of these people that were

947
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 1: kind of bubbling up at that point, you know, and

948
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:26,839
Speaker 1: and I just needed to have some tracks backing tracks

949
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 1: if somebody came in and they wanted to So I

950
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 1: made the made that backing track and then I showed

951
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 1: it to Casey. I was like, I was thinking in

952
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 1: my mind it was sort of like Eric Clapton ish

953
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 1: or something like uh. And I showed it to her

954
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 1: and she was like, Yeah, turn that guitar, trying that

955
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 1: electric guitar that sounds like Eric Clapton off. Turn that

956
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 1: off and let's beat it up and I'm gonna sing

957
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 1: you know something over it. And I said, what if

958
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 1: you're saying Lonely Weekend over it? And she was like yeah,

959
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 1: And then we kind of had a concept.

960
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 3: So that was that with Casey Goldenaur Star Cross Deeper. Well,

961
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 3: what that's That's a lot of working together mm hmm.

962
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 2: A lot of times you work with somebody once and

963
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:11,760
Speaker 2: it's great mm hmm, maybe twice, but yet three times

964
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:15,320
Speaker 2: there's something there that's like the magic and the stew

965
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 2: with the two What is.

966
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 3: It about you two guys working together.

967
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: Well, And I would put Ian in there with us too,

968
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 1: because he's always sort of we I think we've got

969
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:27,839
Speaker 1: to the point now where we can read each other

970
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 1: without really a lot of words being exchanged. There's a

971
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 1: little bit of a telepathic communication thing going on now.

972
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 1: We've done so many songs together that we can know

973
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 1: what the other person is thinking. And you know how

974
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,319
Speaker 1: when you have an idea and then someone else is

975
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 1: there in the room listening, you kind of listen through

976
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 1: their ears, you know, like if you played me a demo,

977
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 1: it would something would become obvious to you that you

978
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 1: couldn't hear if I wasn't there, you know, something about

979
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 1: showing it to someone else, it's like and yeah, And

980
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:58,439
Speaker 1: so I think there's some of that going on where

981
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 1: we kind of learned to listen through each others a

982
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:04,439
Speaker 1: little bit, and we just we just we trust her,

983
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 1: you know, and she's she's got the instinct of where

984
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 1: she wants to navigate herself too, in terms of what

985
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 1: where she's going and what's what's pulling her, what's her

986
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 1: north star is, And so we just have to kind

987
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:22,320
Speaker 1: of follow that because it's a cultural north star for her,

988
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 1: you know, it's like when we're working on Deeper Well,

989
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:26,240
Speaker 1: she's just listening to all this all this folky stuff,

990
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 1: and she's like, you know, what's the guy who did

991
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 1: you know operate Jim Crochey, Leonard Cohen, Bob Dylan, Joni Mitchell.

992
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 1: These type of things, you know, are what are her

993
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 1: north Star? And so we're just following that.

994
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:40,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna ask you and I was gonna

995
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:46,320
Speaker 2: go to Deeper World next, because all three the projects

996
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 2: have been different. But you don't want to repeat yourself.

997
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 2: But it feels like you're not going to repeat yourself

998
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:54,840
Speaker 2: because she's coming in and going, as.

999
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 3: You said, to use your reference the north Star.

1000
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:58,840
Speaker 2: It feels like the north Star, even though you guys

1001
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,240
Speaker 2: are the same back the north Stars in a slightly

1002
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 2: different place.

1003
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 3: So you're able to create differently because of that.

1004
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, I think so. And I just think you

1005
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 1: never step in the same river twice, you know, it's.

1006
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 3: Almost remember and over successful.

1007
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 1: Well me too, me too, absolutely absolutely, and I relate

1008
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 1: to that absolutely. I like cheeseburgers. I mean, there's a

1009
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 1: reason that there's a reason that it works, you know,

1010
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 1: and and I'm with you on that, but but no,

1011
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 1: I mean lives, change, moves change. When we were working

1012
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 1: on Golden Hours, she had just met this guy that

1013
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,799
Speaker 1: she wound up marrying, marrying not long after that, but

1014
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 1: she was so enamored and and kind of all those

1015
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 1: type of falling in love kind of songs were just

1016
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 1: kind of pouring out, and she was just feeling that way,

1017
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 1: just very not ground down into the nitty gritty of

1018
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:50,240
Speaker 1: a relationship and the hardness of you know, those moments

1019
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 1: like you're talking about when your wife kind of kind

1020
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 1: of burst your bubble about Batman and stuff like. There

1021
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 1: was none of that. It was all you know, it

1022
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:01,799
Speaker 1: was all just just uh, rainbows and you know, butterflies

1023
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 1: and all those kind of things.

1024
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:04,439
Speaker 2: The longer I sit with you, the more I think

1025
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 2: how intimidating must be for your piano teacher to give

1026
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 2: you piano lessons.

1027
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, he's a beast. No, Jody is a beast.

1028
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 1: And and and what I do, and you might enjoy

1029
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:16,479
Speaker 1: this too, is that I want to figure a song out,

1030
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 1: so I'll bring a song in. So it's song based.

1031
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 1: It's not based on okay, now do these scales or whatever.

1032
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 1: It's song based, and the songs contain the musical lessons,

1033
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 1: So you would say, okay, Rocketman by Elton John, I

1034
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 1: want to play that, and you bring it to him

1035
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 1: and then you'll just put your hand here and you

1036
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:35,279
Speaker 1: put this one there and go like this and you're

1037
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 1: playing Rocketman.

1038
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 2: With Is there an understanding though that you want to

1039
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 2: learn a bit of why Rocketman exists at the same time, Like.

1040
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, you want to look, You're you're getting under the hood.

1041
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 1: You're looking at what makes it work, what's the engine,

1042
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:50,840
Speaker 1: what's the mechanism, Why does the melody work, what's the

1043
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 1: bass doing? You know, and you learn those things and

1044
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 1: that's what as a songwriter. That's why I like I

1045
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 1: like piano lessons.

1046
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:57,800
Speaker 3: Does your dad teach a guitar?

1047
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 1: He showed me couple chords, you know, Like he showed

1048
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 1: me there were a couple of chords I couldn't figure out,

1049
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 1: Like one like that song Michelle by the Beatles. It

1050
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 1: has a couple of jazz chords in it. And he said, well,

1051
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 1: I would play it like this. He showed me, like

1052
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 1: an augmented chord and a diminished chord and stuff like that, Like.

1053
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 3: Did you feel and asking him for help if you

1054
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 3: needed it? Uh? Yeah, sure, So it's not no, no,

1055
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:23,360
Speaker 3: but if there was something.

1056
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you know, he showed me. I remember

1057
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 1: one time he said to me when I was playing

1058
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 1: lead guitar. I was just kind of soloing and I

1059
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:34,360
Speaker 1: kept going and soloing, and he said, you got to

1060
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 1: put brakes in it. He said, make each phrase like

1061
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: a little snapshot, like there's a polaroid, like dun dun dun't.

1062
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 1: Then stop and then dun dun dun't dun't. You don't

1063
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 1: run it all together, you know, and because then all

1064
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 1: the images get on top of each other, and you know,

1065
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:55,320
Speaker 1: you want to just put space in between the licks.

1066
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:57,280
Speaker 1: And that was pretty helpful.

1067
00:47:57,800 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 3: Is your dad still alive now?

1068
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 1: Yes, he is. He's he's he's got Alzheimer's, so he's he's.

1069
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 1: His memory is not is not in good shape, but

1070
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 1: he's he's a sweet guy.

1071
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 3: Before he got sick.

1072
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 1: Was he.

1073
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 3: Proud of your success? Did he expect your success?

1074
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 1: Like?

1075
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 3: What was that relationship?

1076
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:18,880
Speaker 5: You know?

1077
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:22,400
Speaker 1: I think that he was a dreamer. I think he

1078
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 1: had a lot of unrealized dreams. Even with all the

1079
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 1: things that he did and all the places that he

1080
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 1: was as a musician from the sixties up through the nineties.

1081
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 1: I mean, even everything that he in those three or

1082
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 1: four decades that he was he was working. Even as

1083
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 1: all the things that he did, I think he wished

1084
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 1: he'd been able to do more. He never had like

1085
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:44,720
Speaker 1: a big hit or anything really that he was associated

1086
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:47,279
Speaker 1: and performed in a lot of amazing places and with

1087
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 1: you know, with Emmy, he was Emmy's Emmy Lou Harris's

1088
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 1: harmony singer for a long time. So they sang together

1089
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 1: and it was it was pretty thrilling to hear them

1090
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 1: sing together. You know, it's like pretty amazing thing to do.

1091
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 1: But he never really got in there and like said,

1092
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 1: all right, let's write some stuff. All right, let's produce

1093
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 1: a record here, let's make that. He never sort of

1094
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 1: like took kind of like I don't know, it just

1095
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 1: wasn't like as much of a thing I think at

1096
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:15,760
Speaker 1: that time. I don't know, or maybe he just didn't

1097
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 1: have the kind of He's not a dominant kind of

1098
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 1: person or or really a leader really that much so

1099
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 1: much as like he's kind of a quiet, more introverted person.

1100
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:27,799
Speaker 1: So you know a lot of times that people who

1101
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 1: end up sort of capitalizing on certain situations, they find

1102
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 1: themselves in tend to be those more outgoing kind of people.

1103
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 2: Right, how was your mom in that respect? Was she

1104
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 2: a little more outgoing?

1105
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:43,880
Speaker 1: Well? She was, and also she was sort of home

1106
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 1: with with me and my brother when my dad was

1107
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 1: on the road, So she was pretty much a mom.

1108
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 3: She does she run things. Where do you get I guess, yeah,

1109
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 3: just wondering how you got yours?

1110
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:55,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, my mom's the boss. Yeah, she sort of she

1111
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 1: made you know, she was sort of the you know,

1112
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:00,799
Speaker 1: she set the tone I think in that house. You know,

1113
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:06,279
Speaker 1: my dad was more of a moody kind of atmospheric presence.

1114
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 2: Interesting to me. I don't know if you want to answer,

1115
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:12,720
Speaker 2: But how do you come up with your kids' names?

1116
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:13,439
Speaker 3: Oh?

1117
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 1: Well, we wanted them. This is funny. We wanted them

1118
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 1: all to be from peter Pan because you know, that

1119
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 1: was just the trip that we were on at that point.

1120
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:23,399
Speaker 1: But we got Tiger Lily, and then we had tinker Bell,

1121
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:26,400
Speaker 1: and then we needed we were gonna name Matilda Wendy

1122
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 1: because then they would all be from peter Pan. But

1123
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 1: right the week before the twins were born, a woman

1124
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:35,880
Speaker 1: at our church had a baby and had it christened Wendy.

1125
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:38,280
Speaker 1: So we couldn't be like, you know, the next week

1126
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 1: and this week we have another Wendy which is dumb,

1127
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:44,440
Speaker 1: which we should have gone anyway.

1128
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 2: But yeah, when you your ten year old Tinkerbell, Yeah, Tinkerbell.

1129
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 3: You say that is tinker Bell her name?

1130
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's her name name, tinker Bell.

1131
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's so cool.

1132
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I don't know if it is or

1133
00:50:58,200 --> 00:50:58,799
Speaker 1: it to me.

1134
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 3: To me, that is so cool, that's cool.

1135
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 1: Well, she's she's very much herself, you know, I mean

1136
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:08,399
Speaker 1: she she really people grow into their names, I think,

1137
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 1: and she really has. She's you get you're around her

1138
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 1: and you're like, yep, your Tingerbell. Yeah my name.

1139
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,400
Speaker 3: I always thought it was like a young guy named yeah, Bobby.

1140
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1141
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 3: I told my wife that once. I was like, I

1142
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:24,359
Speaker 3: got a pretty young name. She was like what. I

1143
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:27,239
Speaker 3: was like, Bob, because like Bob, Like that's what I yeah,

1144
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 3: like Bobby, that's like from that's what old men were named.

1145
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:33,719
Speaker 3: You just write a young version of an old man.

1146
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:35,359
Speaker 2: And I'm like, no, no, no, we looked it up

1147
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 2: most popular in nineteen thirty eight. I was like, what, no,

1148
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 2: I did your name was an old man name.

1149
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 1: Do you get a lot of jokes from your wife,

1150
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 1: My wife's This is what's the source of a lot

1151
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 1: of humor.

1152
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:51,879
Speaker 2: Yes, and very much, yes, but mostly because I'm so

1153
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:56,239
Speaker 2: challenged by her. She is so much better at what

1154
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:58,719
Speaker 2: I do, yet she has no interest in interest in

1155
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:02,359
Speaker 2: doing it. No, she does not want to. She does

1156
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 2: not want to tell jokes. She is so funny that

1157
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:10,760
Speaker 2: I at times get resentful that she has such.

1158
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:13,359
Speaker 3: A gift and doesn't use it. And I'm over here,

1159
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 3: I'm begging for scraps, just just begging, just trying.

1160
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 2: To hard grinding, and if I can get her to

1161
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 2: laugh a real life because she will not pity laughing, Yeah,

1162
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 2: for sure.

1163
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:24,880
Speaker 3: If I get a real life laugh, it's the greatest.

1164
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 2: It's better than a full theater because it just she's

1165
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:30,440
Speaker 2: so much better than me what I'm celebrated for, so

1166
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:33,759
Speaker 2: it's crazy too. I think my answer is yes, But

1167
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 2: I think it's because I'm so challenged by her at

1168
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 2: this point that I want to.

1169
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 1: Does she ever? Does she ever resent being spoken of

1170
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 1: in a comedy context? She does, she resents it. You

1171
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 1: ever get off stage and she's like, oh boy, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1172
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 1: you're getting ready to You got.

1173
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 2: To get especially way early on not not as much anymore,

1174
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 2: because I I know why she has her boundaries that

1175
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:00,799
Speaker 2: she has. She just does not enjoy people knowing things

1176
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:02,400
Speaker 2: about her. She does not want to be in public.

1177
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 3: I didn't know that at first. I'm like, guess what

1178
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 3: happened to me?

1179
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 1: I'm walking naked in.

1180
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 3: The mid so all this and it was never like

1181
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:10,439
Speaker 3: me and ra Anger.

1182
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:12,359
Speaker 2: But do you know early in a relationship there's there

1183
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:14,799
Speaker 2: are boundaries that are said. I mean, I said some,

1184
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:17,480
Speaker 2: she said some. We then we end up loving each other,

1185
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 2: we get married. But even on the radio, you know,

1186
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:23,440
Speaker 2: there are certain personal things Yeah does like about her.

1187
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:24,919
Speaker 2: I can talk about me whatever I want, but there's

1188
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 2: certain things she's like, I would rather.

1189
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 3: Like own my story at times. So yes to that.

1190
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 1: This sounds very familiar to me and very and and

1191
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 1: I resonate with that very much. And one thing that

1192
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:37,880
Speaker 1: I feel like when I know I'm I'm about to

1193
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:40,279
Speaker 1: be in in the doghouse or not in a bad

1194
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 1: in a bad situation with her, there's four words that

1195
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:47,480
Speaker 1: and I'm getting into numbers here, which I'm now learning

1196
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:50,200
Speaker 1: as part of crafting a joke, but the four words

1197
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:55,759
Speaker 1: are just so you know, when I hear that yeah,

1198
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 1: I know I'm in trouble.

1199
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 2: It's not Youah the rest. You can go in and

1200
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 2: hold your body the way it needs to be held.

1201
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:04,880
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter what's said next. Yes, yeah, yeah. My

1202
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:11,440
Speaker 2: wife has been extremely beneficial for me creatively because I

1203
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 2: have only ever just wanted.

1204
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:19,319
Speaker 3: To be good for me. Now it's like I want

1205
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:19,920
Speaker 3: to impress her.

1206
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 1: You want to make her laugh. Absolutely, it's yeah.

1207
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:25,920
Speaker 2: And she's the hardest person to make laugh. But she's

1208
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 2: also the absolute funniest person.

1209
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:27,799
Speaker 3: I know.

1210
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:28,759
Speaker 1: That's a good north Star.

1211
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:30,680
Speaker 3: It's a sport that absolutely it is.

1212
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 2: But it's really hard and sometimes I get, like I said,

1213
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 2: I get resembled this.

1214
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:36,840
Speaker 1: She doesn't like anything. And my wife doesn't like any songs.

1215
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:37,800
Speaker 1: She doesn't like anything.

1216
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 2: She's she's heard them all and I hear your she goes,

1217
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:43,399
Speaker 2: I hear her sen dreamor all the time.

1218
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 3: You make these jokes all the time.

1219
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 2: I know where you're going before you go. You're having

1220
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:47,920
Speaker 2: to laugh at this stuff because other people may give

1221
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 2: you laughs. They don't you know you twenty hours a yeah, yeah,

1222
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 2: that's funny.

1223
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 1: No, I mean, yeah, it's hard. That's a good that's

1224
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:58,160
Speaker 1: a good choice for for for a north star and

1225
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 1: and I know certain things I can do in a

1226
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:05,879
Speaker 1: song that will make it more possible that she will

1227
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 1: like it. But still a lot of times I just

1228
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:12,400
Speaker 1: pretty much fall flat. She's like, Eh, it's not Paradise

1229
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 1: City by guns and roses.

1230
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 3: That's the thing. What is? How did you meet your wife?

1231
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:19,719
Speaker 3: You don't mind sharing that.

1232
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 1: We met at a party at my house where I

1233
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:28,880
Speaker 1: was living on Belmont, and she came and I was

1234
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:33,400
Speaker 1: sort of being ubiquitously ubiquitously obsequious. I was just kind

1235
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:35,880
Speaker 1: of like, would you like some more and want I

1236
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:38,879
Speaker 1: wanted to know more about her, and so I kind

1237
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:41,239
Speaker 1: of blew it at the beginning, and then but we

1238
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 1: stayed in touch, and then yeah, we just kind of

1239
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 1: found ourselves kind of hanging out. She was up in

1240
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:52,279
Speaker 1: the Hamptons and I went up there, and then we

1241
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:54,880
Speaker 1: just I just had this feeling like that I just

1242
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 1: felt really good when I would be around her, and

1243
00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:59,279
Speaker 1: then when I would leave and not see her, I

1244
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:01,759
Speaker 1: was like, I was kind of I don't know, just

1245
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:05,960
Speaker 1: didn't feel didn't feel I just there was something about us.

1246
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:08,640
Speaker 1: And I remember early on we both had our laptops

1247
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 1: and we were both like sitting at a table kind

1248
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 1: of working, and she was in grad school at the time,

1249
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:16,360
Speaker 1: and I was kind of like writing emails to I

1250
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 1: don't know, my weed dealer or something. I don't know

1251
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:22,480
Speaker 1: what was happening, but I loved the feeling of being

1252
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:25,120
Speaker 1: across the table from her, typing on our laptops and

1253
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 1: just being in her orbit was just something I wanted

1254
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 1: to And then she cooked me this incredible We started

1255
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:35,360
Speaker 1: dating and then she cooked me this unbelievable gourmet meal

1256
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 1: one night and I said, I got really inspired and

1257
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm gonna propose. I'm gonna propose tonight.

1258
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:42,560
Speaker 1: I went into I got up from the table, I sa,

1259
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:44,440
Speaker 1: I'll be right back, and I went into her. I

1260
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:46,080
Speaker 1: just didn't I needed a ring, and I needed it

1261
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:48,360
Speaker 1: right then, and I hadn't thought it out, so so

1262
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 1: I went and grabbed one of her rings, and I

1263
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:54,600
Speaker 1: came back into the room and I got down on

1264
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 1: one knee and I said, will you marry me? And

1265
00:56:57,239 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 1: she said wow. And that was and she did say yes.

1266
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:03,160
Speaker 1: And that was the last meal that she cooked for me.

1267
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 5: She got you, h the Bobby cast, will be right back.

1268
00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:19,640
Speaker 3: This is the Bobby Cast.

1269
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 2: I remember my wife being a little offended that I

1270
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 2: was surprised she could cook so well. Yeah, but I

1271
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:28,440
Speaker 2: mean it as a company. My wife's a great cook.

1272
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 2: And my wife also has multiple advanced degrees, right, yeah,

1273
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 2: and so I remember she cooked, and she's consistently really good.

1274
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 2: She can make stuff out of nothing, it seems like.

1275
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:42,280
Speaker 2: And I was like, I can't believe you can cook

1276
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 2: so well.

1277
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:43,120
Speaker 1: And she's like why.

1278
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 3: I was like, because you're pretty. Oh wow, maybe not.

1279
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:49,040
Speaker 3: I thought there's a compliment.

1280
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:51,120
Speaker 2: Maybe not the best thing to say, though, They're like, well,

1281
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 2: if you're only pretty, that's all you can do.

1282
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so beauty is a form of intelligence.

1283
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:02,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, and so it was intelligence. Yeah, And I

1284
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:03,560
Speaker 3: was just shocked, shocked.

1285
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:06,480
Speaker 2: But she does everything so well. And I think when

1286
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:08,680
Speaker 2: you mentioned that you just like being around her. I

1287
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:09,320
Speaker 2: think for me.

1288
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 3: And my wife. I didn't get married till I was

1289
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:16,640
Speaker 3: thirty forty. I was forty.

1290
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:19,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was pretty late late bloomer.

1291
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:20,000
Speaker 3: Like I didn't believe.

1292
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 2: I just didn't believe this stuff, yeah, because I never

1293
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 2: has never engaged her in serious relationship or anything. But

1294
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:27,680
Speaker 2: then when I met her, it wasn't that like I

1295
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:29,280
Speaker 2: was run over by the love truck.

1296
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 3: It was it just felt easy.

1297
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1298
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:35,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, not to say that life is easy, because being

1299
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 2: in a relationship, if you want to be right, it's hard. Yeah,

1300
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:41,400
Speaker 2: But it just felt easy, or that I wanted to

1301
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 2: put in the effort to make it feel easy.

1302
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 3: I wanted that before.

1303
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:49,640
Speaker 1: Yeah. I resonated with that for sure, and also with

1304
00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 1: the other thing you were saying about the difficulty of impressing.

1305
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 1: If you marry someone that it's hard to impress, it

1306
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:55,960
Speaker 1: makes you better.

1307
00:58:56,640 --> 00:59:01,800
Speaker 3: Yes, And I think that's a good place. Well I am.

1308
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 2: I Well in this last kids before the Kids book,

1309
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 2: the last adult book I wrote, I wrote a whole

1310
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:10,440
Speaker 2: thing about and I do believe it.

1311
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:11,560
Speaker 3: But it's really hard to live.

1312
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:14,160
Speaker 2: Like, find somebody that you trust and you love to

1313
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:18,160
Speaker 2: tell you that you suck, and I mean that, and

1314
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:20,880
Speaker 2: it's funny to say you suck, But find somebody that

1315
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:23,080
Speaker 2: you trust enough and you can still love after they

1316
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:23,800
Speaker 2: tell you suck.

1317
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:26,080
Speaker 3: That way, you can trust when they tell you that

1318
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 3: something's good.

1319
00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:31,640
Speaker 2: And with her, like I have that in the greatest

1320
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:35,160
Speaker 2: way because and she doesn't do it out of meanness

1321
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:38,000
Speaker 2: at all, and she does it's completely healthy and she's

1322
00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:40,160
Speaker 2: very honest and up front. But if something is not

1323
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:41,840
Speaker 2: good or it's not to the standard that she thinks

1324
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:43,920
Speaker 2: it is, and I bring it to her because she

1325
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:45,600
Speaker 2: won't just come be like I heard this it sucks

1326
00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 2: because she knows sometimes I'm not done with it. But

1327
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:49,120
Speaker 2: if I bring it to her and I'm like, what

1328
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:52,520
Speaker 2: do you think, she will give me her absolute, nothing

1329
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:58,800
Speaker 2: held back opinion of whatever I've created. But when she says, man,

1330
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 2: that's really good, that's it.

1331
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:03,080
Speaker 3: That's that is.

1332
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:05,280
Speaker 1: That's the win.

1333
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:08,480
Speaker 3: And I would not believe her if she didn't give

1334
01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 3: me the rest.

1335
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:11,840
Speaker 2: And all that value is her being able to tell

1336
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:14,040
Speaker 2: me I suck sometimes, and that.

1337
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 3: Means ever wrong, like I'm never wrong.

1338
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:23,120
Speaker 2: She often will admit to being wrong whenever she's really

1339
01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:28,240
Speaker 2: not that wrong, like she has the ability to have she.

1340
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:30,360
Speaker 1: Ever say like that's not very good, and then it's.

1341
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:31,720
Speaker 3: Like, oh, you mean about my creative stuff?

1342
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:31,920
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1343
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:33,880
Speaker 1: And then sometimes the Joe kills or something.

1344
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:36,920
Speaker 2: Yes, but this is her argument there, because she'll be like, ah,

1345
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:37,680
Speaker 2: this is the funny.

1346
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:40,520
Speaker 3: I'm like, I've done joke five times. It kills. She goes, well,

1347
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:41,760
Speaker 3: they just don't know.

1348
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:46,520
Speaker 2: Humor, so she's still right. But sometimes she'll nail me

1349
01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 2: for a low hanging fruit. Yeah, yeah, She'll like, yeah,

1350
01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:52,120
Speaker 2: of course they're laughing. Yeah, she goes, you're just ripping

1351
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:53,640
Speaker 2: the low hanging fruit off the tree. You can do

1352
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:55,640
Speaker 2: so much better, And I'm like, I don't need to.

1353
01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:59,960
Speaker 2: So she's never wrong in that way. She still holds

1354
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:01,760
Speaker 2: on to how she feels about it. Yeah, but I

1355
01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:04,360
Speaker 2: love whenever she's I feel like she's wrong, and I'm

1356
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:05,680
Speaker 2: like five times when I've done this.

1357
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:08,720
Speaker 3: Joke, like they love it, and she's like, well they're stupid.

1358
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:13,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, so and not that mean, but no, I really

1359
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:14,320
Speaker 2: I really enjoyed talking with you.

1360
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:16,480
Speaker 3: This has been super cool for me. I appreciate you

1361
01:01:16,520 --> 01:01:19,280
Speaker 3: coming over. Yeah, thanks for having What I like about

1362
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:24,240
Speaker 3: you is that like you're just like you and that.

1363
01:01:25,720 --> 01:01:29,520
Speaker 2: Is not something that isn't heavy commodities here. There's a

1364
01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:33,520
Speaker 2: lot of people that present themselves as a creative product,

1365
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:37,080
Speaker 2: but it's tough to find somebody you feel like like, no,

1366
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:39,400
Speaker 2: that's literally just them and it's a little quirky and

1367
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:42,280
Speaker 2: it's a little and I liked I really liked that

1368
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:44,560
Speaker 2: about you and what you do because I believe it.

1369
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:47,800
Speaker 1: Well, I appreciate that, and you know, I don't have

1370
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:51,240
Speaker 1: a career. You know, I mean you said that earlier.

1371
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:53,840
Speaker 1: It's like career. A career is for somebody like a

1372
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:56,480
Speaker 1: doctor or a lawyer, or a politician, or somebody that's

1373
01:01:56,520 --> 01:01:59,960
Speaker 1: got like a ladder stability, that's got a ladder to climb,

1374
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:02,600
Speaker 1: that's looking for somebody over here. It's like, oh, if

1375
01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:04,800
Speaker 1: I make this move, because if you do music as

1376
01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:07,720
Speaker 1: a career, you got to make a lot of bad choices.

1377
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:11,200
Speaker 3: You're right, you do.

1378
01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:13,080
Speaker 1: You have to go, well, this is what's selling. So

1379
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:14,880
Speaker 1: I've got to go over here and do this because

1380
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:17,680
Speaker 1: I'm working on my career, and so I'm very proud

1381
01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:19,560
Speaker 1: of the fact that I don't have a career. Really,

1382
01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:22,200
Speaker 1: I just have my work, which goes on twenty four

1383
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:23,520
Speaker 1: hours a day of.

1384
01:02:23,640 --> 01:02:25,960
Speaker 2: That, and I feel like to do great work you

1385
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:28,120
Speaker 2: have to make even more wrong choices to actually figure

1386
01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:30,080
Speaker 2: out who you are and what is important to you.

1387
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:34,000
Speaker 2: Because I think I've done things very very wrong. But

1388
01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:36,760
Speaker 2: I don't think had I not, I wouldn't know what

1389
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:39,920
Speaker 2: I feel like is right because I wouldn't know what

1390
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:45,720
Speaker 2: was wrong. It's like Mark Twain wrote that Damned Human Race,

1391
01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:48,680
Speaker 2: and it's one of my favorite essays because it's not

1392
01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:49,600
Speaker 2: a full book or anything.

1393
01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:52,840
Speaker 3: But he talks about if we didn't.

1394
01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:58,080
Speaker 2: Have morals, there would be without right, without wrong. There

1395
01:02:58,120 --> 01:03:00,080
Speaker 2: is no right without right, there is no wrong. So

1396
01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:02,040
Speaker 2: if we didn't assign things to have these this great

1397
01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:04,360
Speaker 2: moral value, there wouldn't be a moral thing right.

1398
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:07,200
Speaker 3: And in a way, it's like.

1399
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:09,800
Speaker 2: Had I not done everything wrong, I wouldn't know what

1400
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:11,840
Speaker 2: is right. And I'm glad I did, but it sucked

1401
01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:13,560
Speaker 2: and I wouldn't do it again. But I'm very thankful

1402
01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:16,400
Speaker 2: for it. And so I tried to have a career.

1403
01:03:17,040 --> 01:03:18,600
Speaker 3: Oh me too. I try to have a deep voice.

1404
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:23,240
Speaker 2: I tried to be the everybody welcome, this is the show,

1405
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:26,880
Speaker 2: early radio. Yeah, I was gonna be the greatest deep

1406
01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:28,280
Speaker 2: voice interesting DJ.

1407
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:30,560
Speaker 3: Ever, so you now somebody call me a DG. I

1408
01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:31,080
Speaker 3: get pissed off.

1409
01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:33,400
Speaker 1: You would get on there and go, hey, everybody.

1410
01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:33,840
Speaker 3: I'm not even that good.

1411
01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:34,120
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1412
01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:34,760
Speaker 3: It sound like.

1413
01:03:34,680 --> 01:03:39,200
Speaker 2: A puberty, that puberty, because the deep voice is what

1414
01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:41,760
Speaker 2: you wanted at that point. It was the standard or

1415
01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:45,880
Speaker 2: a good announcer, and that's what at one point you

1416
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:50,080
Speaker 2: had to be to be considered successful in an industry's talking.

1417
01:03:50,680 --> 01:03:52,560
Speaker 1: Do you think do you you probably do this and

1418
01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:53,880
Speaker 1: I don't know, but do you think you could do

1419
01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:57,640
Speaker 1: sports commentary like like NFL games.

1420
01:03:57,440 --> 01:04:01,000
Speaker 3: Or I don't do that. I mean I did when

1421
01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:01,800
Speaker 3: I was younger.

1422
01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:05,040
Speaker 2: I did Division two football.

1423
01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:06,360
Speaker 3: So do I think I could?

1424
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:06,680
Speaker 1: Yes?

1425
01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:07,840
Speaker 3: Do I think I could be the greatest of all

1426
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:11,400
Speaker 3: time at it? Yes? Uh huh am I probably wrong.

1427
01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:16,280
Speaker 1: Yes, But did you see they had what's the guy

1428
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:19,560
Speaker 1: Patriots Tom Brady? They see I had Tom Brady? They

1429
01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:21,360
Speaker 1: were trotting him out there.

1430
01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:24,480
Speaker 3: He's the he's making He's not one hundred million dollars deal?

1431
01:04:24,680 --> 01:04:24,960
Speaker 1: Was he?

1432
01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:26,000
Speaker 3: Did you feel like he was?

1433
01:04:26,040 --> 01:04:26,640
Speaker 1: He was legit?

1434
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:30,400
Speaker 2: What I This is what I love about Tom tom Brady.

1435
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:34,000
Speaker 3: He sucked his first time. It was worse. They didn't

1436
01:04:34,040 --> 01:04:35,360
Speaker 3: have the right processing on his voice.

1437
01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:40,240
Speaker 2: He was way nervous, did not know where to talk.

1438
01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:41,800
Speaker 3: Between week one and.

1439
01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:43,800
Speaker 1: Week two, he's got dramatically better.

1440
01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:46,560
Speaker 3: And he wasn't great in week two, but he was

1441
01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:47,360
Speaker 3: so much better.

1442
01:04:47,600 --> 01:04:52,320
Speaker 2: Yeah that Like that inspired me watching a six out

1443
01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:53,080
Speaker 2: of ten tom.

1444
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:53,680
Speaker 3: Brady week two.

1445
01:04:53,960 --> 01:04:57,640
Speaker 2: Yeah wow, because now he's probably a seven point five

1446
01:04:57,760 --> 01:05:00,080
Speaker 2: or a seven point and in we're nine weeks in

1447
01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:02,760
Speaker 2: the season. But you're watching a guy go oh, this

1448
01:05:02,800 --> 01:05:06,120
Speaker 2: is why he's great? Like he continues to just want

1449
01:05:06,120 --> 01:05:06,720
Speaker 2: to get better.

1450
01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:09,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's on a journey of self improvement.

1451
01:05:08,600 --> 01:05:11,400
Speaker 2: Because he was terrible week one and everybody told him,

1452
01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:13,520
Speaker 2: it was everywhere. But it was so cool to watch

1453
01:05:13,560 --> 01:05:15,959
Speaker 2: him come back week two and crush it. And yeah

1454
01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:17,440
Speaker 2: it was and that like that's.

1455
01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:18,560
Speaker 3: In stuff, Okay, inspiring to me.

1456
01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:19,160
Speaker 1: Wow.

1457
01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:23,480
Speaker 2: So man, I'm gonna steal your song. We're gonna record that,

1458
01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:24,240
Speaker 2: and you're gonna hear me.

1459
01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:27,400
Speaker 3: I'm ready to go. I sta all that, Daniel, Thanks man,

1460
01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:27,920
Speaker 3: thanks for.

1461
01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:29,240
Speaker 1: Coming, Thanks for having me.

1462
01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:31,000
Speaker 3: You know, before you got here, we talked a lot

1463
01:05:31,040 --> 01:05:34,600
Speaker 3: about you, and you know, talked about Silver Seas and

1464
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:36,880
Speaker 3: you know, I didn't know where I really wanted to

1465
01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:38,440
Speaker 3: go with this, but the one I sat with you,

1466
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:41,400
Speaker 3: I just kind of wanted to have you ted talked me.

1467
01:05:42,120 --> 01:05:45,600
Speaker 1: Well, and that's what I got. You've been ted talked.

1468
01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:46,440
Speaker 3: I didn't even I.

1469
01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:49,800
Speaker 2: Didn't even did the burn backrock stuff. And I think

1470
01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:52,440
Speaker 2: of Burt and so I love rain dropsky falling on

1471
01:05:52,440 --> 01:05:55,000
Speaker 2: my head like all like, and I like you and

1472
01:05:55,040 --> 01:05:57,120
Speaker 2: not and like when Ben Folds covered and I like

1473
01:05:57,240 --> 01:06:01,160
Speaker 2: a lot of that piano based mmmmmm, we'll call it

1474
01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:05,680
Speaker 2: piano based pop. That is all derived from old like Bert.

1475
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:08,360
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, yeah, when we started with the Ringo

1476
01:06:08,520 --> 01:06:09,400
Speaker 2: almost started with Bert.

1477
01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:10,479
Speaker 3: I'm glad we started with the Ringo.

1478
01:06:10,600 --> 01:06:11,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was good.

1479
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:14,280
Speaker 2: And thank you for the time, massive fan. Yeah, congrats

1480
01:06:14,280 --> 01:06:14,840
Speaker 2: on everything.

1481
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:18,520
Speaker 3: Thanks man, and uh yeah, I just really admire how

1482
01:06:18,560 --> 01:06:19,720
Speaker 3: you do stuff.

1483
01:06:19,680 --> 01:06:21,560
Speaker 2: And your kid's names. That's the coolest thing. That is

1484
01:06:21,640 --> 01:06:23,680
Speaker 2: loadly the coolest thing, Mike, you have anything.

1485
01:06:24,080 --> 01:06:27,480
Speaker 3: How did the waffle House song come together? That's really

1486
01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:28,280
Speaker 3: a great one.

1487
01:06:28,560 --> 01:06:32,680
Speaker 1: I was in Seaside and was down there on vacation

1488
01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:36,040
Speaker 1: with the family, and I always bring music stuff with

1489
01:06:36,080 --> 01:06:38,120
Speaker 1: me when I go on vacation because I just I

1490
01:06:38,120 --> 01:06:40,760
Speaker 1: gotta have something to fiddle with. It's like my knitting.

1491
01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:43,680
Speaker 1: And I made this little beat and put some chords

1492
01:06:43,720 --> 01:06:46,040
Speaker 1: to it, and I sent it to my buddy Edo

1493
01:06:46,200 --> 01:06:47,800
Speaker 1: in LA and he said, hey, I think I want

1494
01:06:47,840 --> 01:06:52,440
Speaker 1: to send this to Jonas brothers. And so that's how

1495
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:56,440
Speaker 1: that came together. But it was music. My contribution to

1496
01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:58,600
Speaker 1: that song was the music. I didn't write any of

1497
01:06:58,640 --> 01:06:59,000
Speaker 1: the lyrics.

1498
01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:03,960
Speaker 3: When you heard like, that's that's so amazingly quirky, it's awesome.

1499
01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:06,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I felt that. Yeah, I felt that.

1500
01:07:07,040 --> 01:07:12,440
Speaker 3: I love that t bone Burnett t Bone see it.

1501
01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:16,480
Speaker 1: What's his dear friend mentor he was my producer when

1502
01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:19,440
Speaker 1: I was an artist when I was nineteen. Kind of

1503
01:07:19,440 --> 01:07:21,880
Speaker 1: we kind of parted, we kind of lost touch with

1504
01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:24,480
Speaker 1: with each other, and then through Ringo and a couple

1505
01:07:24,560 --> 01:07:26,400
Speaker 1: other things that we're working on, we kind of came

1506
01:07:26,440 --> 01:07:28,520
Speaker 1: back together. And I just love that man.

1507
01:07:28,840 --> 01:07:32,200
Speaker 3: Is he math based? Like when he produces like it

1508
01:07:32,280 --> 01:07:35,320
Speaker 3: is he like his math based meaning.

1509
01:07:36,320 --> 01:07:38,040
Speaker 2: I would hear a stories of people working with him

1510
01:07:38,040 --> 01:07:43,320
Speaker 2: and everything was so specific, I mean, like especially percussion.

1511
01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:47,080
Speaker 1: I think he's just a brilliant artist himself. And you

1512
01:07:47,120 --> 01:07:49,360
Speaker 1: can hear on his new record how good he really is.

1513
01:07:49,400 --> 01:07:51,520
Speaker 1: What a good singer he is. He's in his seventies.

1514
01:07:51,520 --> 01:07:54,560
Speaker 1: He sings so is so pure and just so the

1515
01:07:54,600 --> 01:07:56,520
Speaker 1: songs are so good. I think he's just really a

1516
01:07:56,560 --> 01:07:59,680
Speaker 1: great artist. So really, I think he just is helping

1517
01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:02,560
Speaker 1: artists be like try to be better.

1518
01:08:02,600 --> 01:08:04,200
Speaker 2: I probably had a friend of AA drummer. Then that's

1519
01:08:04,240 --> 01:08:05,560
Speaker 2: what I hear when you say that, because it was

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Speaker 2: like no way to be exactly.

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Speaker 3: It sounds like, oh, you're saying is rhythm, yeah, oh

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Speaker 3: you must have.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, very distinct ideas about the way that that stuff

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Speaker 1: should interact. But you know, just a just a love

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Speaker 1: lovely guy, very bright, very like yourself. You would find him,

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01:08:21,560 --> 01:08:23,599
Speaker 1: you know, quoting Mark Twain, you'd find him. You know,

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Speaker 1: he'll say, can I read you a poem? If you know?

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01:08:26,479 --> 01:08:28,439
Speaker 1: He really likes to say you can ever have a

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Speaker 1: biography or an autobiography or something like that? He said

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Speaker 1: decidedly no. You know, so there's a mystery about him,

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Speaker 1: and he speaks a lot in metaphors, and there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of you know, he'd be more likely to tell

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Speaker 1: you like an allegory or or or a fable in something,

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Speaker 1: and then you'd sort of extrapolate from that, like what

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Speaker 1: it means about your problem for your situation. Last question,

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Speaker 1: but I look up to him a lot.

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Speaker 3: Did you get ready to sign anything or no off limit?

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Speaker 1: I didn't, but I made him take a picture with me.

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Speaker 3: He knew he was in the picture.

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, that's right, he did.

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Speaker 3: Okay, good, because thank you, thank you for the time.

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Speaker 1: Really appreciate right man, thanks for listening to a Bobby

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Speaker 1: Cast production