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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Chris Raybon, and this is part two

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Speaker 1: of our Fantasy Wide Receivers for twenty twenty five preview.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna do three episodes just on wide receivers and

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Speaker 1: I am here with the Goat of Rankings, one of

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Speaker 2: What's up? Yeah? Speaking of rankings, Like, one of my

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Speaker 1: Right absolutely. I think there's also been a trend, I

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Speaker 1: the end of our first pod. He is my wide

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Speaker 1: feeling about Jaysn this year, Sean? I mean, I think

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it kind of reminds me of a guy we

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Speaker 2: Yeah. You know how when we were talking about CMC,

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Speaker 1: I mean it could be taking out all the other

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Speaker 2: All right, all right, I could I but yeah, either way,

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Speaker 1: So what are you doing with Tyreek Hill? Because I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I have him why ZAR fifteen? But I

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Speaker 2: But you know, I think he does probably bounce back

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Speaker 1: this point, right because I mean you said he was

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Speaker 1: focused on speed this offseason, which is news to me.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Tyreek Hill, You're fast? Like what? Like? What

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Speaker 2: was he focused on last off season? Breeding? Fucking like? What?

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Speaker 1: starting to get just this conversation didn't make me feel

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the ceiling at this point, and at

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Speaker 1: Excuse me, And the reason being is they signed him

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Speaker 1: YAO who ranks Garrett Wilson? I know Sean that you

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Speaker 2: hard for me to get there from my sixteen projections. Yeah,

435
00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:29,720
Speaker 2: wide receiver sixteen. It's hard for me to get there

436
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:33,520
Speaker 2: with raw projections because you know last year, you know,

437
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:36,280
Speaker 2: Rogers did seem fairly cooked, and you know he was

438
00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:40,280
Speaker 2: forcing it to DeVante at times. So I don't think

439
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 2: the drop off really from Rogers to Fields is that

440
00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:47,520
Speaker 2: big of a drop off necessarily for Wilson. Plus, you know,

441
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:50,119
Speaker 2: it's a new coaching regime coming over from the Lions,

442
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:55,160
Speaker 2: Tanner Ingstrand probably gonna have a more you know, diverse

443
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:57,000
Speaker 2: rock tree for Wilson. I know they were having Wilson

444
00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:59,520
Speaker 2: go deep a ton, so he's probably gonna get a

445
00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:03,119
Speaker 2: lot more high percentage looks, which is very good for

446
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,159
Speaker 2: his fancy prospects. And they really have no one else'll

447
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:08,960
Speaker 2: throw to. I mean, he is the number one target.

448
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 2: I was thinking Breece Hall would be the number two target,

449
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,040
Speaker 2: but looks like Breece Hall is going to be part

450
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 2: of a really split, you know, two to three way committee.

451
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:21,480
Speaker 2: So I'm just projecting even more target share for Wilson now.

452
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 2: But again, they don't really have another guy to kind

453
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,399
Speaker 2: of draw defenses away from Wilson, so I'm kind of

454
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 2: worried they're going to be able to double team them

455
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:32,720
Speaker 2: a little bit easier. But at the end of the day,

456
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,199
Speaker 2: you know, justin Fields that the passing volume will be

457
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:37,800
Speaker 2: lower because Fields is going to be looking to scramble

458
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,720
Speaker 2: a ton, and when quarterbacks scramble, that takes away a

459
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 2: potential target from everybody. So just with my model, with

460
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 2: my projections, you don't have Garrett Wilson around wide receiver twenty,

461
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:50,879
Speaker 2: and I would not be shocked if he still, you know,

462
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:55,119
Speaker 2: overcomes that and you know beats the wide receiver fifteen

463
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 2: ADP based on talent alone, But I just can't get

464
00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:01,680
Speaker 2: there from a projection standpoint just on this offense. So yeah,

465
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:03,879
Speaker 2: I have him wide receiver twenty right now. Don't love it,

466
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 2: But where do you have him right now? He's He's

467
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 2: one of the trickier receivers in this range for me

468
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:10,160
Speaker 2: to teg right now.

469
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have a wide receiver nineteen, so I'm in

470
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,200
Speaker 1: that range. I do have him above Davante Adams because

471
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:22,240
Speaker 1: I again I think, yes, Davante outperformed him statistically once

472
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 1: he came over last year, but that was with his

473
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:26,920
Speaker 1: best buddy Aaron Rodgers. Like I'm not going to put

474
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:32,399
Speaker 1: what I think is a similar talent who's almost a

475
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:37,879
Speaker 1: decade younger. It doesn't have and like over or under

476
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 1: the guy who was just getting like uh not. I

477
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:43,879
Speaker 1: don't want to say sympathy targets, but you know, you

478
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 1: know what Rogers.

479
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,200
Speaker 2: We're saying incentive targets, Like.

480
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 1: Yes, it was it was it Rogers trying to get

481
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 1: like a milestone touchdown I have. I remember it was

482
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,320
Speaker 1: that Rams game he was he was targeting in the

483
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:57,919
Speaker 1: end zone and they were not good looks. And there

484
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 1: was there was a few other games, but I mean,

485
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 1: Davonte he was fine. But yeah, I think I think

486
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,159
Speaker 1: they're still going opposite direction. So I do want to

487
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 1: have Gary over him.

488
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 2: The thing with.

489
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,719
Speaker 1: Feels that kind of complicates it for me is remember

490
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:15,159
Speaker 1: DJ Moore in twenty twenty three, he just had a

491
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 1: monster year at Fields that year, and then he goes

492
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 1: to Kevin Williams and then it goes downhill. So it's

493
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 1: you know, maybe Fields isn't quite the the number one

494
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:30,360
Speaker 1: receiver killer. You know, I think obviously everyone else don't

495
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:34,200
Speaker 1: feel great. There is nobody else, So yeah, I'm it's

496
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,679
Speaker 1: kind of like Marvin Harrison. It's like there's not the talent,

497
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 1: is there? Maybe we haven't seen it for a variety

498
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 1: of reasons. But with Wilson, I think we have seen

499
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:44,959
Speaker 1: the talent more. It's just the guys around him and

500
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 1: have stunk and so same same old. I guess right exactly,

501
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:56,920
Speaker 1: but yeah, this is very very frozen PONDI Mike Evans.

502
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:03,239
Speaker 1: Why receiver seventeen yew who's ranked? I'm twelve straight? Uh,

503
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 1: eleven straight? I should say, one thousand yard seasons. But

504
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:12,680
Speaker 1: it took a some would say a little bit of

505
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 1: a bush league, you know, the uh conversion to get

506
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:20,639
Speaker 1: him to get him there, and then everyone was hopping

507
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,200
Speaker 1: around and it all was well in Tampa Bay because

508
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 1: he got his eleventh straight. Now he's aged thirty thirty

509
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 1: thirty two. Does he do it again? Does he get

510
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 1: his twelve straight? One thousand yard seas. Because he does that,

511
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:37,200
Speaker 1: it's gonna be hard for him not to pay off

512
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:41,160
Speaker 1: this ADP unless he has like one or two touchdowns,

513
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 1: which I think that's happened once or once maybe in

514
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 1: his career.

515
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 2: But uh, yeah, does he get does he get there?

516
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:48,440
Speaker 2: Does he get to one kick? Yeah? I think it's

517
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,879
Speaker 2: it's got to be right around a coin flip. You know,

518
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:53,719
Speaker 2: like you said, he had to make up quite a

519
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:55,919
Speaker 2: bit of ground last year because he did miss a

520
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 2: few games to where he had he had to go

521
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 2: off at the end of the season and then yeah,

522
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:04,120
Speaker 2: at the very end of Week eighteen, they really had

523
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 2: to try to get him over that hump by four yards.

524
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,680
Speaker 2: So yeah, he's he's pushing you know, the bill here,

525
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,119
Speaker 2: and I think I put it a true coin flip.

526
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 2: I don't really know what's up with Chris Godwin. He

527
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:19,919
Speaker 2: might not be ready by week one or you know,

528
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:23,120
Speaker 2: potentially longer. But if he's able to play more than

529
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,679
Speaker 2: seven games this year, that'll be more games than Godwin

530
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 2: played last year. So I think Evans certainly benefited from

531
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 2: you know, Godwin not being in the mix as much

532
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 2: last year. And then you know, Mecca Buka, their first

533
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,719
Speaker 2: round pick I think is going to be you know,

534
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 2: a top three receiver in their offense right away and

535
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 2: will absolutely steal some targets away for Mike Evans. So yeah,

536
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 2: this is a situation where I'm I'm definitely down on Evans.

537
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 2: I have him closer to you know, wide receiver twenty

538
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 2: ish range right now, and the offense as a whole

539
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 2: could regress some moving on from Li and Cohen and

540
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 2: you know Baker Mayfield comeing off a career year by

541
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 2: a landslide. So yeah, Mike Evans is another guy where

542
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 2: yet he's provided that steady floor throughout his career. He'll

543
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 2: be great again this year, but there's enough concern there too. Yeah,

544
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 2: I think his floor could be a little bit lower

545
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 2: this year.

546
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, Statistically in my model, there's not really much of

547
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 1: a difference this year between Mike Evans and a guy

548
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 1: you can get a little bit later in Courtland Sutton. Like,

549
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 1: people tend to be a lot more down on Sutton.

550
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 1: He I guess he's just not as sexy of a pick.

551
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 1: Everyone always thinks that the floor is the you know,

552
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 1: it's just going to drop out. But at this they're

553
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 1: both guys that I have in the nine hundreds rather

554
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 1: than the thousands, with you know, a touchdown equity, and

555
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 1: still likely to be the dumber one target on their team. Now,

556
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 1: the thing with Evans is he tends he doesn't necessarily

557
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 1: always clock in with you know, the ninety ninety five

558
00:29:55,840 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 1: percent snap rate. He does his work on with you know,

559
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 1: more with less, so there is some some volatility there.

560
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 1: I have him wide receiver eighteen, might end up moving

561
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 1: him below Garrett Wilson at least I think at the

562
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 1: end of the day, guys going in, I wouldn't say

563
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 1: Evans is trending down, but he's certainly I at that

564
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 1: point where it could happen at any any time, and

565
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 1: there are enough receivers to your point about a BUCA

566
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 1: on Tampa Bay that it would be graceful. So yeah,

567
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 1: I have I actually have Evans around. I have him

568
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 1: nine oh six, so I have him fallen short of

569
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,239
Speaker 1: that thousand. Now I'm projecting him for fifteen games, so

570
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 1: but he got there last year in any missed games,

571
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 1: So that is a bit of a downgrade for him

572
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 1: in my model, and just because it is pretty crowded there.

573
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have him ninet twenty four to be exact.

574
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 2: But again, if he's if he's close, we're going to

575
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 2: see some of that, you know, Michael Strahan sacking Brett

576
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 2: Favre questionable, you know, stuff to get him over the

577
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 2: hump again. But yeah, I'm right there, like nine twenty four,

578
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 2: so below one thousand, and.

579
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 1: Yet he's still a top twenty guy in ours. This

580
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 1: is why this is the tier I think where if

581
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 1: you're gonna fade receiver, go with a stud at another

582
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 1: at one of the ones he positions, or just beef

583
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,719
Speaker 1: up running back. I think now he's now, he's kind

584
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 1: of a sweet spot to do it, and then you

585
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 1: you jump back in once the value corrects. But number

586
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 1: eighteen in Yahoo's ranks, I got him at seventeen. It's

587
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 1: Terry McLaurin. He's another guy that got a monitor because

588
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 1: he's dealing with a foot injury. He's holding out and

589
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 1: there's gotta be some potential touchdown regression on the horizon.

590
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 2: He had thirteen on eighty two receptions last.

591
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 1: Year that he put a career high up in touchdowns

592
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 1: per game at point seven to seven, touchdown rate per

593
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 1: reception at sixteen percent.

594
00:31:59,280 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 2: So what do you.

595
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 1: Think, like, what what is gonna affect What should we

596
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 1: be most concerned about. I guess with Terry mclarm oh man.

597
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess in order, it would be the holdout.

598
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 2: But those those are tricky because I don't really factor

599
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 2: that in because he's either gonna like miss time in season,

600
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 2: which would be a tragedy. I think they're going to

601
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 2: try to avoid that, but it's one of those things.

602
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 2: If we impact our projections and ranks, it could change

603
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 2: like that, Like you know, it could end in a heartbeat.

604
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 2: So I don't really affector that in at all, but

605
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 2: in the back of my mind, I know that that

606
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 2: could be a possibility. So hold out number one, number

607
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 2: two would be I guess the foot I haven't really

608
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 2: heard much about. It could coincide with the holdout. But again,

609
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 2: if his foot injury is bad and spills in the season,

610
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 2: that's that's not good. And the touchdown regression, I think

611
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 2: it's obvious. You know, he's we can't project him for

612
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 2: thirteen touchdowns again this year, so he's obviously gonna regress.

613
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 2: But I wasn't too surprised that he finally blew up

614
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 2: in the touchdown department. Now that he finally has a

615
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 2: quarterback in Jade and Daniels. The whole thing with Terry

616
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 2: McLaurin throughout his career is he's had He's been able

617
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 2: to succeed with bad quarterback play. So the fact that

618
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 2: he now has a legit quarterback, I'm not too shocked.

619
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 2: He said a career high in touchdown so I'm not

620
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 2: expecting too much regression. You know, have him right around

621
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 2: eight nine touchdowns, So that's sort of the order I

622
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 2: think about. But the fact that there are you know,

623
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 2: three concerns does worry me a bit. I have him

624
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 2: wide receiver nineteen, so I am right around here, but

625
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 2: it's enough to kind of give you some pause when

626
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 2: drafting him right now before we know, you know, what's

627
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 2: going to go on with this contract situation. So my

628
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 2: projection say he should be right around here. But in

629
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 2: the back of my mind, I kind of think about

630
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 2: these things and I mentally kind of, you know, downgrade

631
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 2: him a little bit. So would you be comfortable drafting him?

632
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 2: You know, wide receiver nineteen? What are or you're top

633
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 2: worries when it comes to those three things.

634
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 1: My top worries are drafting wide receivers out of this

635
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 1: tier period. So no, I would not be comfortable within there. Again,

636
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 1: I have him at seventeen, so I'm higher than you.

637
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,479
Speaker 1: Just don't like this tier. Think it's a lower floor

638
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: tier compared to where.

639
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 2: The value is.

640
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 1: And the thing about mclauren specifically is if he's back in,

641
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 1: if he's back on the field and ready to go,

642
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 1: he could be a massive target hog and make up

643
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 1: for you know, like all the other concerns kind of

644
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 1: fade away. But we just don't really know if his

645
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 1: ceiling actually grew in any other way with Jade and Daniels,

646
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 1: because it's still a somewhat low volume pass offense at

647
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:51,840
Speaker 1: times because Daniels will scramble. And it was just another

648
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 1: one thousand, you know, just under eleven hundred yard season

649
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:58,399
Speaker 1: for McLaren. He's been you know, it's been between either

650
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:02,319
Speaker 1: ten or eleven hundred yards each of the past five seasons,

651
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 1: but he's never eclipsed.

652
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:05,840
Speaker 2: He hasn't gotten to twelve hundred in his career.

653
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 1: He's gonna be thirty this this is age thirty seasons.

654
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 1: So it's just one of those things where he'll probably

655
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 1: be fine, but I don't necessarily want to risk it

656
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:23,839
Speaker 1: this early in the draft. So this again, this whole tier.

657
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 1: You gotta rank somebody there, but this is this is

658
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 1: not a tier I'm very enthusiastic about. So yeah, but

659
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 1: I do think I do think he could. I mean,

660
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:39,879
Speaker 1: dach Hurts is old debo. We don't really know if

661
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 1: I've read something from a Beat reporter.

662
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 2: I believe it was in.

663
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 1: It was in The Athletic, which I know you and

664
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 1: I both both love, and they essentially said it just

665
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 1: matter of factly. I believe it was in The athlete

666
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:58,720
Speaker 1: don't quote me on this actually, but they said essentially,

667
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 1: Deebo Samuel probably shouldn't even be a wide receiver two

668
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 1: at the stage of his career, and like, that's not

669
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: what the role. And that kind of took me back

670
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 1: a little bit because I was like, is that what

671
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 1: he was signed to do? So Termcgran still has a

672
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 1: lot of target upside, but he's got to get on

673
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:18,720
Speaker 1: the field, and I don't like that he's missing time

674
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: with you know, if there really is a foot concern

675
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: age thirty, that's that's not good because he lived on

676
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,760
Speaker 1: touchdowns last year eighty two receptions for eleven hundred yards

677
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 1: when you play all seventeen and is not amazing. You know,

678
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 1: it's just kind of mid tiire receiver one.

679
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 2: What odds? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I saw the same thing

680
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 2: about Deebo. I am concerned about him, So I'm not

681
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 2: too worried about Debo, you know, eating into his target share.

682
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 2: They don't really overlap. If anything, Debo being good would

683
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 2: kind of help open things up for McLarin. What are

684
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 2: the odds that he's signed a new deal by the

685
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 2: time people are listening.

686
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 1: To this, I would say fifty to fifty, right, I

687
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 1: mean they're, yeah, they negotiating, and I don't I don't

688
00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:59,839
Speaker 1: really believe in any of these holdouts, but you do.

689
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 2: You're hitting age thirty.

690
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 1: You gotta kind of worry about, you know, just missing

691
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: some of the camp time and then trying to make

692
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,800
Speaker 1: up for lost time, and there's a ramp up period

693
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 1: and it's just things aren't setting up as well for

694
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 1: him this year as as last year. You know, he

695
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 1: was kind of valued where he'd been producing when he

696
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,760
Speaker 1: doesn't have a thirteen touchdown season his last four seasons

697
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 1: before four or five five four played seventeen games in

698
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 1: all but the twenty twenty season, when he played fifteen.

699
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 1: So it they're they're again, like everyone else, there's some

700
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: warning signs here.

701
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 2: So excited to kind of talk.

702
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 1: About the back end of this wide receiver two tier.

703
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 1: But now it is time for a segment that we're

704
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 1: calling value Climbers, presented by Yahoo Fantasy and Sean. So far,

705
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 1: we've talked about JSN, Tyreek Hill, Davante, Garrett Wilson, Mike Evans,

706
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 1: Terry mclaurren, Marvin Harrison by accident, other these wide receivers

707
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 1: in rejected thirteen to eighteen range though, so scratch Harrison

708
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,320
Speaker 1: for now. Yeah, who are you seeing the most value

709
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 1: taking in fantasy this season?

710
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,319
Speaker 2: I think it's a guy at the top of this tier, Jsn.

711
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 2: You know, we we kind of stressed our concern with

712
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:19,319
Speaker 2: Like most of these guys in this tier, Jaysn has

713
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:21,879
Speaker 2: the least concern. I'm actually projecting him as my wide

714
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 2: receiver twelve, so I have him a little bit higher.

715
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 2: But he's a prospect I've been high on since day one.

716
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 2: I always felt the landing spot in Seattle would kind

717
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 2: of make him break out near two or three. Once

718
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 2: you know, DK metcalf and or Tyler Lockett moved on,

719
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 2: and sure enough, they're both moving on heading of this year,

720
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 2: So he's going to be the alpha and this offense,

721
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:45,359
Speaker 2: you know they brought in Cooper Cup. I don't think

722
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 2: that's gonna take away two many targets from JAYSN. So

723
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 2: he's gonna be the Alph in this offense, and I

724
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 2: think could push for you know, the league lead in reception.

725
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 2: So I think getting him outside of the top twelve,

726
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 2: which is usually where he goes, is probably the best

727
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 2: value in this tier.

728
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 1: I absolutely agree he stands out like a sort thumb.

729
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:09,800
Speaker 1: I think Terry mclaurum have some intrigue if he were signed.

730
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 2: And good to go and we knew he wasn't hurt.

731
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: But without that assurance, I think it has to be JSN,

732
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:19,399
Speaker 1: who is just an absolute target monster over the past

733
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 1: ten games last year and just more upside for targets

734
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 1: this year. So it is js N for both of us.

735
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 1: JSN times two. Those are your value climbers, or should

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Speaker 1: Fantasy dot Com slash flecks. Right now, we got Marvin

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00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 1: Harrison and wide receiver nineteen Yahoo's ranks again, I have

762
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 1: them higher, and it speaks more to just it's a

763
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 1: little bit of a messy tier here more floor guys,

764
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 1: whereas Harrison was a floor guy last year. I do

765
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 1: see some ceiling with him, so we don't have to

766
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 1: spend too much more time him. We did talk about him,

767
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 1: but uh, you know what, what would.

768
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:39,240
Speaker 2: Have to happen?

769
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,479
Speaker 1: I guess for him to make that that that week

770
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:44,839
Speaker 1: because he had the routes, he's clearly the number one

771
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:48,400
Speaker 1: receiving the receive wide receiver even with mcgride there, you know,

772
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:50,399
Speaker 1: might not be the number one target. But what would

773
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 1: have to happen?

774
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:54,280
Speaker 2: Do you think for for Harrison? I think Trim McBride

775
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 2: woul probably have to mess time and Harrison would kind

776
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 2: of occupy some of that target share where he gets

777
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 2: more high percentage. Bros. Just give us some, you know,

778
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 2: guaranteed two or three more receptions a game, to give

779
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:12,240
Speaker 2: him just a steadier floor, because I think the weekly

780
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 2: ceiling will be there with him. But it's just not

781
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 2: having that secure floor is what really hurts Harrison's value

782
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 2: right now, That could change later in his career if

783
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 2: he gets another quarterback, different scheme, but in his current role,

784
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 2: it kind of forces him to be a little bit

785
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 2: more boom busts than I think we'd like.

786
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 1: That'tually makes me feel better. I actually thought the opposite.

787
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 1: I think Harrison is more of a high floor guy,

788
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 1: and I'm a little concern about the ceiling because I think, yes,

789
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 1: he is behind or it's potentially behind a target Hog

790
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 1: and McBride at tight end. But look at the other

791
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 1: receivers in that offense. Michael Wilson doesn't necessarily draw that

792
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 1: many targets per route day. Jones same deal, and he

793
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 1: looks like he might.

794
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 2: Be careful with the guy, careful with the next guy.

795
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 1: I know who's this is Greg George podcast or he

796
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:12,320
Speaker 1: was Connor.

797
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no, I don't care about James Connory. Now

798
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 2: definitely Greg Dorsch. I think.

799
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 1: I got I got Stucky.

800
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:21,240
Speaker 2: Shout out to Stucky.

801
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 1: I know you have him some doors to it, but uh,

802
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say that Doors is not a guy that

803
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:30,799
Speaker 1: seems to be in good graces with the with the

804
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 1: receiving depth chart, with the with the coaching staff. Because

805
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:37,319
Speaker 1: his role tended to decrease as the season war on

806
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,839
Speaker 1: and he was playing starter staffs. But you know, there

807
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 1: were ball security issues, there's size issues with him. He

808
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 1: I think he's like ultimately more of a role player ATWAUS.

809
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 1: They see him that way. So there point being, I

810
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:58,359
Speaker 1: think this offense can support two target hogs because of

811
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 1: the way the it breaks down barring you know, some

812
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,799
Speaker 1: trade or you know, I mean maybe if they signed

813
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:07,479
Speaker 1: Amari Cooper. I mean, I don't even think that would

814
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 1: move the needle right the way he played in Bruffalo.

815
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 1: So h yeah, I think I think I feel pretty

816
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 1: good about his floor, so.

817
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 2: Ceiling.

818
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:20,360
Speaker 1: He's got the talent, and I think they're kind of

819
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 1: looking at what they did wrong last year. I know

820
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 1: they're trying to get a more high percentage look, So

821
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 1: I think I think it'll be fine. He's just not sexy,

822
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 1: That's really what it is. He kind of it wore

823
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 1: off after that that. You know, people just got sick

824
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 1: of them finishing wide receiver thirty and forty all year

825
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 1: last year.

826
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:38,919
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, yeah, last year he didn't have the floor.

827
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 2: It should be better. This year. He only finished inside

828
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 2: of the top forty five fifty percent of the time.

829
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 2: Which ranked forty six at the position. He didn't have

830
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:49,760
Speaker 2: much ceiling either. He only finished inside the top twelve

831
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 2: thirteen percent of the time. But it is, you know,

832
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 2: year or two for the top drafted wide receiver last year,

833
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 2: so we have to expect, you know, some pretty significant

834
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 2: positive regression for him. So I am high on him

835
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:05,879
Speaker 2: as a talent. I think he's gonna have a much

836
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 2: better season this year, but still just kind of the

837
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:11,399
Speaker 2: way that use him does kind of limit him. But yeah,

838
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 2: I haven't ranked a little higher than Yahoo does, So

839
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 2: I was saying, I'm in line with like his ADP

840
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:22,359
Speaker 2: and everything, but as we've stressed that that tier isn't

841
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:24,320
Speaker 2: really where I'm targeting wide receiver.

842
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's a clear it's a clearer frozen pond,

843
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 1: if if there was such a thing at the wide

844
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 1: receiver position.

845
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:35,800
Speaker 2: Of course, check out our.

846
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 1: Running back episodes on the Fantasy Flip right here already

847
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:43,319
Speaker 1: out you go into the frozen pond and all that

848
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 1: good stuff. But let's go on to DeVante Smith.

849
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:52,240
Speaker 2: I'm always.

850
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 1: Struggle. I always struggle to rank Davonte Smith because I

851
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 1: love his game, but he is he is the number

852
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: two guy in a low volume offense, and his role

853
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 1: has kind of fluctuated where you know, more of a

854
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 1: slot guy last year at times has been more of

855
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 1: a strict outside guy. Can he maintain top twenty four

856
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:24,879
Speaker 1: value this year with potentially playing more snaps alongside now

857
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 1: he's got it alongside AJ Brown and in this.

858
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:30,360
Speaker 2: Low volume offense.

859
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:33,720
Speaker 1: Or is the low volume from last year good because

860
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 1: it means he's it's gonna regress and he's gonna see

861
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:37,359
Speaker 1: more volume this year.

862
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you. I think that makes him

863
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 2: a tricky projection to make because I agree he's one

864
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 2: of the better number two wide receivers in the league,

865
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:49,840
Speaker 2: but also in a very run heavy offense. So that's

866
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:53,239
Speaker 2: you know, he's he's trying to fight for targets with

867
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:56,399
Speaker 2: less volume. But last year, you know, he finished wide

868
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 2: receiver seventeen in points per game, but he did get

869
00:46:59,920 --> 00:47:02,880
Speaker 2: a boost because it was like either AJ Brown and

870
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 2: or Dallas Godder were missing games, like all three were

871
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 2: rarely healthy at the same time. So when that's the case,

872
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 2: you know he's going to get a hit from that.

873
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 2: But we do expect more volume overall for this passing offense,

874
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 2: so that kind of negates that. You know, luckily you

875
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,919
Speaker 2: don't have to get DeVante this high. He goes much later.

876
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 2: His ADP's around wide receiver twenty eight, which is much

877
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 2: much closer to where I'm actually ranking him, and sometimes

878
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:30,359
Speaker 2: he could fall outside of the top thirty. That's when

879
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 2: I like to get him. I think that's that's a

880
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 2: fair range to get him. So he again, he's one

881
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:39,359
Speaker 2: of the better wide receiver twos in the game, and

882
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 2: there are some factors to like him, you know, bouncing

883
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:44,799
Speaker 2: back this year. I will say, like, you know, Kella

884
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:47,839
Speaker 2: Moore used them in the slot a lot more last year,

885
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 2: and I think that really helped him. Do you think

886
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:53,359
Speaker 2: more of the same this year without Kellimore or they're

887
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 2: going to change things up and possibly you know, hurt

888
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 2: his upside.

889
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 1: I could see them changing it up a little bit,

890
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 1: just because the egos have cycled through coordinators. I mean

891
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 1: every single year it seems like they got somebody new

892
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:10,319
Speaker 1: and do little things like this change like oh the

893
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 1: next guy comes and he's like, oh, yeah, it's not

894
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:17,280
Speaker 1: this year and he's not. So I'm basing my projection

895
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:22,360
Speaker 1: for him on the totality of his time in Philly

896
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:26,399
Speaker 1: with with aj Brown on the team, so it's more

897
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 1: of a kind of a split between you know, his

898
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 1: role last year and and the year before that. So

899
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 1: I think he will see a little bit of a reduction,

900
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 1: but I don't know, you think that kind of in

901
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:37,319
Speaker 1: a way helps him because we don't want him to

902
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 1: just be this lower yard per reception guy, because he

903
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:43,359
Speaker 1: can be a high yard per reception guy.

904
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly. You know, he could win downfield, he

905
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 2: could win anywhere. Really, he just needs those targets. So yeah,

906
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 2: like I have him wide receiver thirty, so much much

907
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 2: lower than this, but again his ADP's wide receiver twenty eight.

908
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:02,319
Speaker 2: Where do you ltimately have him ranked in projector Right now?

909
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:08,320
Speaker 1: He is my wide receiver twenty seven in half PPR,

910
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 1: So I am kind of right there right there with ADP.

911
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 1: It's it's one of those situations where you know the

912
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 1: floor is high. Now we're getting to a point in

913
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:21,280
Speaker 1: the draft where you know, we got through that other tier,

914
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 1: like the first the front end tier of the wide

915
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:27,360
Speaker 1: receiver two range, where I think there are more based

916
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:29,439
Speaker 1: on where you're taking them, I think they're you gotta

917
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 1: be worried about the the floors there. But now by

918
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:39,880
Speaker 1: the time you Davante's popping up if he goes at ADP.

919
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 1: You do want ceiling too, and he does have it,

920
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 1: but you know, low volume offense behind aj Brown. Goddard

921
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 1: had a twenty target per route rate when he was

922
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:53,319
Speaker 1: on the field last year too, And he's back and

923
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 1: he still got Saquon and they're talking about using Saquon

924
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 1: more in the passing game. So there is some variants

925
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:01,800
Speaker 1: because the Eagles could just be very good again and

926
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 1: still not have to pass that much. I mean, that's

927
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 1: also there's just a lot of factors where there are

928
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:09,919
Speaker 1: some guys I'm a little bit more excited to take

929
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 1: then DeVante because I'm starting to pivot to Ceiling at

930
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 1: this at this juncture in.

931
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 2: The in the draft.

932
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:20,879
Speaker 1: No no real issues with him, you know, if you're

933
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 1: just if you just need to fill out your your

934
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 1: your lineup and get a solid guy. But he's I

935
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:32,440
Speaker 1: think I think you could wait and just let a

936
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 1: couple of these other guys drop and reproduce the production.

937
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 1: So I'm not getting too much of Dvante, but he's

938
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:49,319
Speaker 1: always a tricky, tricky one. DK Metcalf another another guy

939
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 1: that this, I mean, Aaron Rodgers, age forty two Steelers

940
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 1: going from the Seahawks to the Steelers. But Pickens is gone,

941
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:06,320
Speaker 1: but then Arthur smith Man crush John Smith has been acquired.

942
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 1: So where where you land on Metcalf because he's another

943
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 1: one that really is is kind of tricky. I think

944
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 1: he has a high ceiling but also a low floor.

945
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's definitely a mixed bag and should definitely command

946
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 2: more consistent targets this year in this spot, just because

947
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:28,879
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh really lacks a true number two wide receiver, maybe

948
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 2: they'll just use more two tight end sets to off

949
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 2: set that with you know, John new Smith and Pat Fryarmouth.

950
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 2: But you know, DK relies a ton on downfield targets

951
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 2: for his fans value, and that's where Rogers struggled last year.

952
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 2: He ranked thirty first out of forty four qualified quarterbacks

953
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 2: on catchable balls fifteen plus yards downfield, and Gino Smith

954
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 2: was second. So you know, DK Metcalf was playing with

955
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 2: an excellent downfield passer and Gino Smith. Ironically, Mason Rudolph

956
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 2: was ranked first. So maybe Ifrodgers get might help back

957
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 2: about But I think you know he's going to see

958
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 2: plenty of targets, like plenty of volume like Rogers likes

959
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 2: to lock in on his top guy, So I'm right

960
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 2: there at wide receiver twenty one. But the thing is

961
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 2: his ADP right now is wide receiver twenty seven, So

962
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:23,239
Speaker 2: and I agree, I think, yeah, he's more of a

963
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 2: ceiling play and that's the range where I kind of

964
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 2: like targeting ceiling wide receiver twenty seven. He's probably going

965
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:33,359
Speaker 2: to be your third or even fourth wide receiver, So

966
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 2: why not kind of go for upside in this spot?

967
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:40,239
Speaker 2: It's certainly there. So again, we don't have to take

968
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 2: him wide receiver twenty one. You can get him a

969
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 2: little bit later. So I do like kind of banking

970
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 2: on this upside. I don't think him and Rogers are

971
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:49,880
Speaker 2: a good fit, but either way, he's probably going to

972
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,839
Speaker 2: see a higher target show than we've seen, so that

973
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 2: could help offset things a bit. So I'm high on

974
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:59,399
Speaker 2: DK just considering he is going wide receiver twenty seven

975
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 2: right now.

976
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:05,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have him wide receiver twenty two, and so

977
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 1: I'm right there with you. I think there's this at

978
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 1: this point in the drafts, you should have your top

979
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:17,879
Speaker 1: two receivers. If not, maybe you go with a maybe

980
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 1: you go a little bit of a different route and

981
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 1: make sure you walk in more of a floor with

982
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:24,759
Speaker 1: a guy like a Devonte Smith or something like that.

983
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:28,840
Speaker 1: But there's a lot of traffic in this range where

984
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:32,439
Speaker 1: you're looking at either like ceiling guys or just guys

985
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:34,759
Speaker 1: that you know. The playing time is a little uncertain

986
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:37,840
Speaker 1: because of a variety of factors. I think that's where

987
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:41,399
Speaker 1: when we talk about the Kansas City guys, we'll get

988
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:45,319
Speaker 1: into that. But there is one guy who I think

989
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:48,319
Speaker 1: is getting a little overlooked. I have this next guy

990
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:51,799
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about at wide receiver sixteen, and

991
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 1: he is a wide receiver twenty two in Yahoo's ranks.

992
00:53:56,040 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 1: So it's interesting to me that people are just not

993
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:02,719
Speaker 1: really into it as much. So I'm curious to hear

994
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:05,800
Speaker 1: your thoughts. Say Flowers, I like Zay Flowers. I think

995
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 1: he is. He's a guy that always on the field,

996
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:14,800
Speaker 1: ninety four per route per game rate, guy gets targeted.

997
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:17,279
Speaker 1: He's managed to do it on another one of these

998
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 1: kind of low volume offenses. And he did take a

999
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 1: step forward in year two. Year one seventy seven for

1000
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 1: eight fifty eight, year two seventy four, so three fewer catches,

1001
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 1: but he put up one thousand and fifty nine yards,

1002
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 1: so get a lot more damage down the field, and

1003
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:40,239
Speaker 1: I think he can still hit another gear.

1004
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 2: What about you? Oh yeah, for sure, I think he's

1005
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 2: still an ascending talent. I think, yeah, he's definitely overlooked.

1006
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:52,800
Speaker 2: I think he's a big reason why this offense has

1007
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:56,239
Speaker 2: taken that next step to become elite, because they've been

1008
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:59,360
Speaker 2: kind of missing a wide receiver, a true wide receiver

1009
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 2: run for a while. Now I think he's definitely that guy.

1010
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 2: So yeah, he's still a sending. You know, he might

1011
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:08,319
Speaker 2: not provide you ten plus touchdowns, but he doesn't have

1012
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 2: to in this range, I would say, because he's going

1013
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 2: to give you those those yards, those receptions. So yeah,

1014
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 2: I'm high on him. And you know, if Isaiah likely

1015
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 2: miss his time to start the ear that that's going

1016
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 2: to potentially lead to more targets for ze Flowers early on.

1017
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:27,240
Speaker 2: So I think the market's sleeping on him. And Yahoo

1018
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:29,359
Speaker 2: has him ranked twenty second. I thought I was high

1019
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 2: on him. I have him wide receiver twenty four, but

1020
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:34,719
Speaker 2: he's going wide receiver thirty two right now. I know

1021
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:37,239
Speaker 2: some reason. So the fact that you're you're half that

1022
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:40,759
Speaker 2: you're you're half his ADP so you better be getting

1023
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:43,719
Speaker 2: a lot of them. But yeah, the markets, you know,

1024
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:46,160
Speaker 2: pushing him outside of the top thirty, I think that's insane.

1025
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:49,240
Speaker 2: I think getting him, you know, again as your third

1026
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 2: or even fourth wide receiver is a steal. So yeah,

1027
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:55,440
Speaker 2: I'm highing him as well, and I have as my

1028
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 2: wide receiver twenty four.

1029
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:01,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think I have him. Sixteen is

1030
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:04,399
Speaker 1: more of, like again, a product of I do have

1031
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:07,680
Speaker 1: a lot of these other guys, you know, with lower floors,

1032
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 1: and like in the fifteen sixteen range, you're still you

1033
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 1: still do care about floor a little more. And I

1034
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 1: think that's you know, Lamar Jackson's so good too that

1035
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:21,080
Speaker 1: you know his number one receiver, especially a guy like

1036
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:24,799
Speaker 1: Zay who moves around, I think he has I would say,

1037
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:28,440
Speaker 1: his ceiling with the like keeping in mind how good

1038
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:31,400
Speaker 1: Lamar was last year, might have had the best quarterback

1039
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:35,879
Speaker 1: season of all time. Loki, I mean Mona Rossain Brown

1040
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:40,439
Speaker 1: type numbers, right, I feel like that's a realistic top

1041
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 1: end range for day. So I think there's a little

1042
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 1: bit of a balance there between. Yes, he's a high

1043
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:47,880
Speaker 1: floor guy, might not wow you with oh he just

1044
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:51,000
Speaker 1: got over a thousand, but he does have some room there,

1045
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:53,680
Speaker 1: so no no issues with him.

1046
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:57,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just remember, I know you probably have these

1047
00:56:57,040 --> 00:57:00,400
Speaker 2: moments when you're making productions in season. We're just so

1048
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 2: much it's hard to keep track of everything. I remember

1049
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:05,600
Speaker 2: just a stretch last year I was just like, I

1050
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:09,160
Speaker 2: stopped and I went, holy shit, Zay Flowers is like, really,

1051
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:12,040
Speaker 2: really good. He just kept popping in my Weekly Model,

1052
00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:14,680
Speaker 2: and I was like, I didn't see that coming last year,

1053
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 2: just how good he was gonna be. And you know,

1054
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:20,080
Speaker 2: he's entering year three, so I can only imagine if

1055
00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:22,400
Speaker 2: he hasn't even peaked yet. But I remember just at

1056
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:25,960
Speaker 2: times last year being blown away by his you know,

1057
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:29,280
Speaker 2: underlying you know, rate stats and things like that. So yeah,

1058
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 2: I'm I'm pretty high on him as well, but not

1059
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 2: not as high as you. Wide receiver sixteen. Holy shit.

1060
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 2: I mean it just.

1061
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:38,280
Speaker 1: Speaks to the again, I think you do have to

1062
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 1: kind of so your point about juggling, you have to

1063
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:43,680
Speaker 1: kind of juggles the floor and the ceiling outlooks for

1064
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 1: a lot of these guys, and when I kind of

1065
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:49,040
Speaker 1: stack them all up, Flowers off the quarterback, he has

1066
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 1: the the you know, he's like at the right age,

1067
00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 1: like you mentioned, getting it going into year three. He's

1068
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:59,200
Speaker 1: got the underlying numbers to back it up. He's not

1069
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:04,200
Speaker 1: he's not holding out, He's not. I mean the competition

1070
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:08,440
Speaker 1: is decreasing because like we's potentially gonna miss time. So yeah,

1071
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:11,720
Speaker 1: just things are kind of lining up for for Xaver

1072
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:16,520
Speaker 1: some of these other guys. And DJ Moore is number

1073
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:19,560
Speaker 1: twenty three in the YAH Who ranks, and he's a

1074
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:22,480
Speaker 1: guy I've gone back and forth on. I've I've had

1075
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:25,920
Speaker 1: him inside my top twenty and I've had him outside

1076
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:29,960
Speaker 1: my top twenty five. He's it's very close in this range,

1077
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:33,280
Speaker 1: but I think I want I don't want to be

1078
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:36,480
Speaker 1: I think he's another guy with the ceiling of like

1079
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:39,960
Speaker 1: a Monrod. This is Ben Johnson's offense. But we do

1080
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 1: have to also keep in mind that there is a

1081
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 1: floor here of him not really consistently beating coverage at

1082
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:51,480
Speaker 1: the like the way a number one is supposed to

1083
00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 1: and you know all those all that weirdness that happened

1084
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:57,160
Speaker 1: with Caleb early on with the you know, so like,

1085
00:58:57,280 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 1: where what are we going to see out of DJ Moore?

1086
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:01,680
Speaker 1: Because this is are We're not gonna look like either

1087
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:04,160
Speaker 1: half of his last He's probably gonna be like a

1088
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:07,160
Speaker 1: whole new DJ more Kable Williams connection this year.

1089
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:12,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, he is tricky, really tricky to project. And at

1090
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:14,640
Speaker 2: the end of the day, I'm right around here, which

1091
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:17,240
Speaker 2: is his ADP, you know, wide receiver twenty four range.

1092
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:19,160
Speaker 2: But I agree, I think he has a range of

1093
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:21,840
Speaker 2: outcomes where, yeah, he could be the amah on Ross

1094
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 2: Saint Brown and Ben Johnson's offense and be a wide

1095
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:27,920
Speaker 2: receiver one that is certainly in his range of possibilities.

1096
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 2: But Caleb Williams really isn't Jared Goff. You know, he

1097
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:34,840
Speaker 2: tends to not trust the look and he'll scramble and

1098
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:37,360
Speaker 2: do all these things, so it kind of he kind

1099
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:40,640
Speaker 2: of thrives on broken plays. And I feel like at

1100
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 2: the end of the year, they were just scheming up,

1101
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:44,880
Speaker 2: you know, screen passes the DJ Moore just to shut

1102
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:49,400
Speaker 2: him up. And I've seen they're they're they're scheming, They're

1103
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:52,000
Speaker 2: putting DJ Moore, They're putting DJ Moore in the backfield

1104
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:54,640
Speaker 2: right like giving him carries. Oh.

1105
00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:56,360
Speaker 1: I mean that's been the case his whole career. He's

1106
00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:58,000
Speaker 1: not Curtis Samuel a little bit like in that.

1107
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 2: But Ben Johnson doing that, I don't know if that's

1108
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:03,360
Speaker 2: good or bad. Like again, if he's like Debo, like

1109
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:06,720
Speaker 2: where we're getting you know, wide receiver number, wide receiver

1110
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:12,439
Speaker 2: one numbers and rush attempts and goal line packages, sign

1111
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 2: me up for that. But it's just hard to tell.

1112
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:17,040
Speaker 2: I just think the best way to invest in this offense,

1113
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:20,440
Speaker 2: I think at cost is still you know, Colson Loveland

1114
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:24,280
Speaker 2: or maybe Romadonsa outside of the top thirty, which we'll

1115
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:26,680
Speaker 2: get to. You just this offense could be more spread out,

1116
01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:29,040
Speaker 2: and that's the scenario that kind of hurts DJ Moore,

1117
01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 2: where there's just so many mouths to feed that he

1118
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:35,000
Speaker 2: might not see that, you know, the target volume to

1119
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:38,320
Speaker 2: really exceed this. So that's my concern with them. So again,

1120
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:40,920
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, I'm arriving at consensus

1121
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:45,200
Speaker 2: here wide receiver twenty four. So I've definitely taken him

1122
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:47,960
Speaker 2: in best ball, you know, I've taken him, you know,

1123
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:50,920
Speaker 2: wide receiver twenty one in some drafts to kind of

1124
01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:53,840
Speaker 2: cash it. On the upside, those are with kleb stacks,

1125
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:56,800
Speaker 2: but you know, for season long leagues, you do want

1126
01:00:56,840 --> 01:00:59,200
Speaker 2: that floor. So that's the concern with them is he

1127
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:02,440
Speaker 2: might not have as high of a floor as we

1128
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:04,880
Speaker 2: would hope if they do spread it up. So that's

1129
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:07,160
Speaker 2: the concern with me. But at the end of the day,

1130
01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:08,520
Speaker 2: he's my wide receiver twenty four.

1131
01:01:09,160 --> 01:01:12,680
Speaker 1: It's tricky because he also had that big season with

1132
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:14,960
Speaker 1: Justin Fields just a couple of years ago. Okay, so

1133
01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:18,800
Speaker 1: it's like he's, oh, well, he doesn't he he doesn't

1134
01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:20,640
Speaker 1: have a floor. But I mean to put up what

1135
01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:23,880
Speaker 1: did he have twelve hundred yards or thirteen hundred yards

1136
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:25,800
Speaker 1: with Justin Fields as his prime.

1137
01:01:25,720 --> 01:01:30,840
Speaker 2: The number two? That was Mooney? It was movie but I.

1138
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:33,840
Speaker 1: Think he was hurt for part of the year. Yeah,

1139
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:38,120
Speaker 1: thirteen one, three hundred and sixty four yards in twenty

1140
01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:42,520
Speaker 1: twenty three with Justin Fields. Yeah, and it was just

1141
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:45,600
Speaker 1: kind of a it was a mess behind him. I

1142
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:47,840
Speaker 1: mean you had Comet there, he was kind of he

1143
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:51,000
Speaker 1: was just breaking out and then Mooney play. Mooney played

1144
01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:53,400
Speaker 1: fifteen games. So yeah, that was just a bad Mooney season.

1145
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:55,360
Speaker 1: Then he had Tyras Scott.

1146
01:01:55,120 --> 01:02:06,240
Speaker 2: Who's Scott running? Cleypool? Wow? Yeah, this Trent Taylor baby who? Yeah,

1147
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:08,080
Speaker 2: that was a that was a wide receiver room. I

1148
01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:08,680
Speaker 2: remember that.

1149
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:12,360
Speaker 1: Damas Jones, Yeah, this is it, this is it running

1150
01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:12,960
Speaker 1: right then?

1151
01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:16,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was listened in reference.

1152
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:18,400
Speaker 1: He's a he's a wide eye. Weeah, I think he

1153
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:21,480
Speaker 1: was still he was getting just no one wants to

1154
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:23,760
Speaker 1: throw to him, so they just got to hand the

1155
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:27,080
Speaker 1: ball off to him to get him touches. But we digress.

1156
01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:29,360
Speaker 1: D J. Moore, I have him wide receiver twenty five,

1157
01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:32,800
Speaker 1: so I think there's, yeah, there's a wide receiver ten

1158
01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:36,040
Speaker 1: outcome and there's a wide receiver forty outcome with him

1159
01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:37,880
Speaker 1: that that's just kind of the bottom line.

1160
01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:39,520
Speaker 2: He could get surpassed.

1161
01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:42,520
Speaker 1: By a Dunes they even or Loveland, or he could have,

1162
01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:47,640
Speaker 1: like you said, just uh breakout year in Ben Jonson's offense,

1163
01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:49,960
Speaker 1: be the new a manra But he is.

1164
01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:51,640
Speaker 2: He Debo's actually a good comfort.

1165
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:55,120
Speaker 1: You know why, because not only do they get carries

1166
01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:59,440
Speaker 1: more than most receivers, but Deebo's another guy who doesn't.

1167
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:03,120
Speaker 1: He's he's got the traditional wide receiver in terms of

1168
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:06,080
Speaker 1: just lining up and beating coverage. Right, you kind of

1169
01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:08,120
Speaker 1: have to scheme him a little more than you would

1170
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:10,720
Speaker 1: think for the numbers he has put up. I think

1171
01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:13,080
Speaker 1: more is like that too, where he's not just a

1172
01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:15,160
Speaker 1: straight oh we're gonna line him up against man coverage.

1173
01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:17,560
Speaker 1: He's gonna just beat him like we saw him do

1174
01:03:17,640 --> 01:03:19,919
Speaker 1: the complete opposite of that a lot of last year,

1175
01:03:19,960 --> 01:03:22,080
Speaker 1: but still put up great numbers, so he can't knock

1176
01:03:22,120 --> 01:03:26,480
Speaker 1: him too much. Number twenty four, yeaw, who's ranks? I

1177
01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:30,960
Speaker 1: can't get behind this one? Jayvin Waddle? Where are you on?

1178
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:31,560
Speaker 2: On? Waddle?

1179
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:34,120
Speaker 1: He dropped from kind of like Tyreek. He dropped from

1180
01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:37,919
Speaker 1: one thousand and fourteen yards in fourteen games in twenty

1181
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:43,240
Speaker 1: twenty three to seven forty four in fifteen games last year,

1182
01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:45,800
Speaker 1: So big, big drop up and he played more games.

1183
01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:48,600
Speaker 1: Where do you see him landing this year?

1184
01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:52,440
Speaker 2: Yeah? I have a wide receiver thirty. I think he's

1185
01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:54,600
Speaker 2: gonna bounce back this year. He you know, it seems

1186
01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:56,520
Speaker 2: like he's always dealing with injuries, but he was dealing

1187
01:03:56,520 --> 01:03:59,160
Speaker 2: with him again last year, and you know two A

1188
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:02,880
Speaker 2: missing a handful of games. It was the nail in

1189
01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:07,120
Speaker 2: the coffin for Wattle's twenty twenty four season. But you know,

1190
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:10,760
Speaker 2: John new Smith really ate into his target chair, So

1191
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:12,960
Speaker 2: I think him being gone will kind of help Wattle

1192
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:17,280
Speaker 2: bounce back. Tyrek Hill getting older could also help, you know,

1193
01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:21,800
Speaker 2: Waddle long term, get him more targets as a result

1194
01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:26,640
Speaker 2: of that. But back to my original point. Just the

1195
01:04:26,680 --> 01:04:30,160
Speaker 2: main issue with Wattle is he cannot withstand to a

1196
01:04:30,200 --> 01:04:33,800
Speaker 2: missing any time again, which is a big risk because

1197
01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:36,720
Speaker 2: to you know, unfortunate if he gets another concussion, he

1198
01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:39,440
Speaker 2: could miss a handful of games, if not more so,

1199
01:04:39,560 --> 01:04:41,120
Speaker 2: Waddle's the kind of guy where if two of us

1200
01:04:41,240 --> 01:04:44,320
Speaker 2: his time, where would he be in your weekly model?

1201
01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:46,880
Speaker 2: He seems always fall outside like the top fifty in

1202
01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:49,840
Speaker 2: mind where makes him unplayable. He's already kind of a

1203
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:53,000
Speaker 2: fringe wide receiver three flex to begin with, but if

1204
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:55,000
Speaker 2: two of us his time, he's unplayable, and that just

1205
01:04:55,080 --> 01:04:57,960
Speaker 2: leaves managers with, you know, a guy running away on

1206
01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:01,360
Speaker 2: their bench for hand full of games if that happens.

1207
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:04,240
Speaker 2: So I have him wide receiver thirty, but I'm still

1208
01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:08,160
Speaker 2: careful to take him there, just given the downside. Just

1209
01:05:08,200 --> 01:05:11,240
Speaker 2: there's too many red flags for him in this range,

1210
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:13,360
Speaker 2: even though I do think he bounces back this year.

1211
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:16,240
Speaker 2: I just think there's other guys here that provide just

1212
01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:18,960
Speaker 2: as high of a ceiling as Waddle, but you know,

1213
01:05:19,120 --> 01:05:20,640
Speaker 2: less of a floor, what about you?

1214
01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:25,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm totally in agreement there with with everything. I

1215
01:05:26,200 --> 01:05:31,360
Speaker 1: just don't think Wattle has the floor at all. He's

1216
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:34,320
Speaker 1: outside of the top. I think he would be like

1217
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:37,480
Speaker 1: the fifty five range for me with no toua. And

1218
01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:41,600
Speaker 1: I actually think there is even a question mark of

1219
01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:51,800
Speaker 1: does a tyreeque aging type of situation or does a

1220
01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:56,520
Speaker 1: Johnny Smith Weaving actually helped Waddle because the thing that

1221
01:05:56,920 --> 01:06:00,320
Speaker 1: was discouraging about Wattle was that there was a point

1222
01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:04,000
Speaker 1: where remember when Tyreek first came over and Too was

1223
01:06:04,120 --> 01:06:07,480
Speaker 1: throwing downfield more and they were just ripping.

1224
01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:09,680
Speaker 2: Up the league. Once defense has kind of.

1225
01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:13,680
Speaker 1: Figured that out and knew where to kind of position

1226
01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:16,640
Speaker 1: defenders and what lanes to what throwing lanes to kind

1227
01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:19,720
Speaker 1: of cover up and you know, what routes to kind of.

1228
01:06:20,920 --> 01:06:21,360
Speaker 2: Sit on.

1229
01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:26,080
Speaker 1: For Wattle, he never really rebounded the way we would

1230
01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:28,960
Speaker 1: have liked, you know. Then then came to Tyreek, Hill

1231
01:06:29,080 --> 01:06:32,800
Speaker 1: was fine, and Wattle just had like a you know,

1232
01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:36,240
Speaker 1: kind of like a mid He was good over, but

1233
01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:40,120
Speaker 1: kind of mid if you just watched him. And and

1234
01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:45,080
Speaker 1: then last year just unproductive well and a lot of

1235
01:06:45,720 --> 01:06:48,680
Speaker 1: leaving in the middle of like missing snaps. And I

1236
01:06:48,680 --> 01:06:52,560
Speaker 1: don't have questions about his durability as well, So quarterback

1237
01:06:52,640 --> 01:06:57,720
Speaker 1: questions durability him questions durability, I can't necessarily say that

1238
01:06:57,760 --> 01:06:59,640
Speaker 1: the changes are for the better. So yeah, he's just

1239
01:07:00,160 --> 01:07:05,040
Speaker 1: he's just very unexciting mid range, low end wide receivers

1240
01:07:05,040 --> 01:07:09,000
Speaker 1: three for I have him thirty one. But if, for example,

1241
01:07:09,120 --> 01:07:13,439
Speaker 1: you know, a Lave's dealing with an injury, We're still

1242
01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:17,640
Speaker 1: kind of feeling out Myers' role in this new Raider offense,

1243
01:07:17,720 --> 01:07:20,800
Speaker 1: Matthew Golden's role in the package office, Jerry Judy's role

1244
01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:25,160
Speaker 1: in the Browns offense. All those guys I could see

1245
01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:28,120
Speaker 1: having over Waddle, who's just who's the wide receiver two

1246
01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:31,160
Speaker 1: on his own team and wasn't good at all last year,

1247
01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:34,480
Speaker 1: so he could be on the downside for me.

1248
01:07:35,320 --> 01:07:39,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I agree that if defenses you know, figured

1249
01:07:39,120 --> 01:07:41,960
Speaker 2: out covering out I remember, what was it, twenty twenty two,

1250
01:07:42,080 --> 01:07:46,120
Speaker 2: just constantly being wide open for a fifteen twenty yard catch,

1251
01:07:46,160 --> 01:07:48,240
Speaker 2: if they've kind of figured that out, what else can

1252
01:07:48,240 --> 01:07:51,160
Speaker 2: he provide? He's not scoring touchdowns, like I'm still projecting

1253
01:07:51,240 --> 01:07:55,520
Speaker 2: him for like five touchdowns. Nick Westbrook, Akeene is there,

1254
01:07:55,600 --> 01:07:58,760
Speaker 2: he's going to be, you know, potentially scoring more touchdowns

1255
01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:00,919
Speaker 2: than them, So yeah, what does he provide if he's

1256
01:08:00,920 --> 01:08:04,640
Speaker 2: not giving you, you know, high enough floor with you know,

1257
01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:06,080
Speaker 2: receptions and yards anymore.

1258
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:11,720
Speaker 1: And they're starting to use mantra not mantra the Leak

1259
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:16,599
Speaker 1: Washington league Montre that's the guy, the former Broncos Leak

1260
01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:20,840
Speaker 1: Washington who's in year two now, they're starting to up

1261
01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:24,400
Speaker 1: his usage, if the preseason is any indication. So there's

1262
01:08:24,439 --> 01:08:29,040
Speaker 1: even a non zero chance Wattle could produce as the

1263
01:08:29,080 --> 01:08:34,000
Speaker 1: third receiver if let's say my week Uh gets a

1264
01:08:34,200 --> 01:08:36,000
Speaker 1: you know, high target per route like kind of like

1265
01:08:36,040 --> 01:08:40,280
Speaker 1: a Marvin Mims type of situation usage. So wable, Yeah,

1266
01:08:40,320 --> 01:08:43,759
Speaker 1: I'm just not comfortable with the floor and where he's going.

1267
01:08:44,439 --> 01:08:44,840
Speaker 2: I agree.

1268
01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:47,360
Speaker 1: I think there's you could get other guys with it better,

1269
01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:52,240
Speaker 1: with the similar feelings and and uh and higher floors

1270
01:08:52,280 --> 01:08:56,400
Speaker 1: who are number one for their team at that some

1271
01:08:56,479 --> 01:08:58,240
Speaker 1: of them. So, I mean, because we haven't talked to it,

1272
01:08:58,320 --> 01:09:00,800
Speaker 1: there's still a lot of guys that we haven't talked

1273
01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:03,559
Speaker 1: about that we got to get to on the next pod.

1274
01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:07,720
Speaker 1: And I think this, I think if you're playing on

1275
01:09:07,840 --> 01:09:10,840
Speaker 1: Yahoo specifically, and you know these are kind of the

1276
01:09:11,720 --> 01:09:13,960
Speaker 1: some people do sort by the ranks, some people sort

1277
01:09:14,040 --> 01:09:17,479
Speaker 1: but by the ADP. But there's gonna be a lot

1278
01:09:17,479 --> 01:09:19,800
Speaker 1: of situations to exploit it wide receiver, and I think

1279
01:09:19,840 --> 01:09:23,799
Speaker 1: in this tier, the way exploit it is to pivot

1280
01:09:23,840 --> 01:09:25,800
Speaker 1: to other positions because there's gonna be some guys that

1281
01:09:25,840 --> 01:09:28,960
Speaker 1: I think will fall to that also are falling out

1282
01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:31,479
Speaker 1: of this podcast into the next one, we''ll break down

1283
01:09:31,640 --> 01:09:34,280
Speaker 1: wide receivers twenty five to thirty six and sweepers outside

1284
01:09:34,280 --> 01:09:34,799
Speaker 1: that range.

1285
01:09:34,840 --> 01:09:37,519
Speaker 2: But very kind of feel that way too.

1286
01:09:37,560 --> 01:09:39,160
Speaker 1: You think it's I think there might be a little

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01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:42,880
Speaker 1: bit more site specific strategy with wide receiver this year

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01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:44,519
Speaker 1: because we are seeing a pretty big range.

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Speaker 2: Sean, Yeah, definitely, I think. Yeah, wide receivers so straightforward

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01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:52,960
Speaker 2: for me. I love getting two of the top guys,

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01:09:53,240 --> 01:09:56,880
Speaker 2: you know, top twelve guys, and then kind of there's

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01:09:56,920 --> 01:09:58,840
Speaker 2: there's running backs. I know it's kind of the frozen

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01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:00,880
Speaker 2: pon tier for running backs too, but there's running backs

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01:10:00,920 --> 01:10:03,839
Speaker 2: I like in that range. And then the next episode

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01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:06,000
Speaker 2: we talk about I think there's a lot of guys

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01:10:06,360 --> 01:10:08,000
Speaker 2: I like that you can get later on to kind

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01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:10,960
Speaker 2: of start filling out your bench, and just based on ADP,

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01:10:11,080 --> 01:10:14,320
Speaker 2: a lot of the same guys fall to me. So yeah,

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01:10:14,360 --> 01:10:18,120
Speaker 2: I found like on any site, it seems like a

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01:10:18,120 --> 01:10:19,840
Speaker 2: lot of guys I like to get are kind of

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01:10:19,880 --> 01:10:24,439
Speaker 2: like later on in drafts. This here, yeah, I totally regret.

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01:10:24,439 --> 01:10:28,200
Speaker 1: I think if the first two rounds it usually ends

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01:10:28,360 --> 01:10:30,599
Speaker 1: at wide receivers somewhere if you're in a twelve team

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01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:34,479
Speaker 1: or somewhere in the lad Maconkee t. Higgins range. And

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01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:37,080
Speaker 1: then then you get into the you know, the Hills

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01:10:37,080 --> 01:10:39,640
Speaker 1: and the Adamses and all these guys with just a

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01:10:39,640 --> 01:10:42,000
Speaker 1: few more question marks. I think that and that's when

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01:10:42,040 --> 01:10:46,679
Speaker 1: you can start you to go with if a stud

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01:10:46,760 --> 01:10:49,000
Speaker 1: quarterback or tight end has maybe faun you can grab

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01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:50,920
Speaker 1: one of those. But that's when you can kind of

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01:10:50,920 --> 01:10:52,400
Speaker 1: get those mid range.

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01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:54,799
Speaker 2: To low end.

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01:10:55,240 --> 01:10:58,320
Speaker 1: Running back one kind of guys who you know, like

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01:10:59,479 --> 01:11:01,840
Speaker 1: maybe a Iron's still there most see how his the

1315
01:11:01,840 --> 01:11:07,360
Speaker 1: ADP kind of adjusts, but uh, fucky irving well Na

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01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:10,679
Speaker 1: teeth going too high like a Chase Brown, I should say,

1317
01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:14,920
Speaker 1: or or a Camara James Cooks is back at practice.

1318
01:11:16,320 --> 01:11:18,880
Speaker 1: Guys like that at running back are gonna be a

1319
01:11:18,920 --> 01:11:22,320
Speaker 1: lot more value. Even when you start getting into the

1320
01:11:22,360 --> 01:11:25,040
Speaker 1: next tier of running backs with like the James Connors

1321
01:11:25,080 --> 01:11:30,200
Speaker 1: and the and the Tubas and Themarion Hampton's, that tier

1322
01:11:30,200 --> 01:11:31,920
Speaker 1: I'm starting to open up a little more too, just

1323
01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:34,559
Speaker 1: because when you look, if you build a team with,

1324
01:11:34,760 --> 01:11:37,720
Speaker 1: like you said, wide receiver round one, wide receiver round two.

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01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:42,439
Speaker 1: I like the way my teams look more when I'm

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01:11:42,479 --> 01:11:46,599
Speaker 1: getting that like mid range running back, you know that

1327
01:11:46,600 --> 01:11:47,360
Speaker 1: that low that.

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01:11:49,720 --> 01:11:53,879
Speaker 2: Yeah Kyen RB thirteen right now.

1329
01:11:54,520 --> 01:11:56,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's all over the place. I can't see him.

1330
01:11:56,240 --> 01:11:59,599
Speaker 1: Last year, I feel like Chase Brown and Kiren got are.

1331
01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:00,439
Speaker 2: On way up.

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01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:03,439
Speaker 1: Rest Tall has got to correct. James Cook is back

1333
01:12:03,439 --> 01:12:06,400
Speaker 1: to practice, so he'll he might get like an artificial dier.

1334
01:12:06,680 --> 01:12:09,479
Speaker 1: I still think Kamara has another has some young blow

1335
01:12:09,560 --> 01:12:12,400
Speaker 1: left in him. So yeah, it's uh, that's I think

1336
01:12:12,439 --> 01:12:15,559
Speaker 1: the maybe the is this just a frozen pond wide

1337
01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:18,400
Speaker 1: receiver year and we're just not Maybe it's.

1338
01:12:18,240 --> 01:12:21,920
Speaker 2: A full blown but it's weird. It might be. And

1339
01:12:22,320 --> 01:12:24,839
Speaker 2: the thing with the frozen pond tier is there's always

1340
01:12:24,880 --> 01:12:27,040
Speaker 2: a couple of guys in that range. I drafted running back.

1341
01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:29,519
Speaker 2: It doesn't mean again, That's why I get pissed when

1342
01:12:29,560 --> 01:12:31,479
Speaker 2: people call it the dead zone, because it's not like

1343
01:12:31,640 --> 01:12:34,320
Speaker 2: you avoid it completely. It's there are some guys that

1344
01:12:34,360 --> 01:12:36,559
Speaker 2: you need to draft in that range. You just gotta

1345
01:12:36,640 --> 01:12:40,599
Speaker 2: be careful. So yeah, absolutely kind of have a frozen

1346
01:12:40,640 --> 01:12:42,639
Speaker 2: pond tier at wide receiver this year.

1347
01:12:43,320 --> 01:12:47,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean my ranks significantly different from from yahoos

1348
01:12:47,720 --> 01:12:50,000
Speaker 1: and and and a lot of the ADPs. So we'll

1349
01:12:50,040 --> 01:12:51,479
Speaker 1: talk about all that because there's a lot of the

1350
01:12:51,479 --> 01:12:53,320
Speaker 1: guys that we're gonna talk about the next pot are

1351
01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:57,160
Speaker 1: the guys I probably be more comfortable with drafting as

1352
01:12:57,200 --> 01:13:00,760
Speaker 1: your third wide receiver in the top thirty, top twenty five.

1353
01:13:00,840 --> 01:13:02,840
Speaker 1: So stay tuned for.

1354
01:13:04,280 --> 01:13:04,559
Speaker 2: That.

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