1 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: I met John Gabriel about fifteen years ago. We both 2 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 1: grew up here in western Washington and as I group 3 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:20,960 Speaker 1: helps game calls, John was kind of responsible for everything 4 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 1: website graphics and anything that made us look good. Became 5 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:26,599 Speaker 1: great friends. Over the years. John has had some great 6 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:28,479 Speaker 1: success in the field and may be best known for 7 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 1: his late season mountain white tails here in Washington. UM, 8 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:34,480 Speaker 1: but also gets it done on El Camille Dear every year. UM, 9 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 1: how are you doing, John. I'm good man, I'm alive 10 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:44,480 Speaker 1: and kicking. Can't complain. I think we first hunted together 11 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:48,240 Speaker 1: in two thousand and sixteen Archery, Idaho, and then the 12 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 1: last time I hunted together was just recently here in 13 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: New Mexico. MEU and Dirk went there in UM. We've 14 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:56,959 Speaker 1: had some great trips together. Um, But today I really 15 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 1: want to dive in to white tail hunting, whitetail callinging. 16 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 1: You know everything whitetail, and I'm gonna be completely honest, 17 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 1: like I know enough, but I I don't know the 18 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:08,320 Speaker 1: intricacies in the details. I really want to dive in 19 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 1: and talk to you about some of that, um you know. 20 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 1: On the right on the heels of us launching our 21 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 1: brand new deer call category, which should be launching October 22 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 1: tent you've got a chance to play around with them, 23 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:20,320 Speaker 1: So we'll definitely dive into the new deer calls kind 24 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:22,839 Speaker 1: of the offering and what we're bringing to the table 25 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: as far as that as well. Yeah, absolutely, I'm excited 26 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 1: for that line. It calls, um, you know, just for 27 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 1: myself obviously being a big white tail hunter and whatnot, 28 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 1: and I love it. And um, I got a chance 29 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 1: to mess with them and obviously do the photography and 30 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:39,399 Speaker 1: whatnot for him too, and so it gave me a 31 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 1: chance to kind of be hands on and I'm excited 32 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 1: for you guys to come out with those. Thanks. Thanks. 33 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 1: So now we're gonna jump into our listener questions once again. 34 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 1: If you have your own questions for me or our guests, um, 35 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 1: please submit them at ct D at Phelps Game Calls 36 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 1: dot com. These ones are a little more geared towards 37 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 1: white tails. We'll be right up John's alley. Um. The 38 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 1: first one is when in looking for a white tail spot, 39 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 1: just in general, what do you what would you look 40 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 1: for like or you know, back up to a thirty 41 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:09,239 Speaker 1: thousand foot view, John, what makes a good white tail 42 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:11,799 Speaker 1: spot at least in in the what the western um 43 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 1: you know mountains that you typically do your white tail hunting. Yeah, 44 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 1: I would say the biggest key that I look for 45 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 1: is I start tearing apart maps Onyx and you know whatever, 46 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:23,640 Speaker 1: Alex Google Earth. The biggest thing that I'm looking for 47 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:27,640 Speaker 1: pinch points like ridges, big mountain ranges and a bunch 48 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 1: of like finger ridges that will run down into like 49 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 1: a flat um type of older willow bottom type flat 50 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 1: or even some big timber um that has some water around, 51 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 1: but it provides an ample um kind of trail system 52 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 1: that those deer can come down. Those big bucks will 53 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 1: kind of hang out up higher on the mountain and 54 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 1: as the ruts starts, so kind of work their way 55 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 1: down and into these benches and they'll travel the same 56 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:54,919 Speaker 1: kind of ridges coming down and then they'll hit and 57 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 1: they'll rut, and that would kind of be like the 58 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:01,640 Speaker 1: thirty thou foot view without really diving down into it 59 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 1: after that, but really looking for a lot of finger 60 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 1: ridges like three, four, five, six that will come together, 61 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:09,799 Speaker 1: and where those come together, those deer will travel down 62 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 1: and they'll hit that bench and that then that's kind 63 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:15,519 Speaker 1: of where you'll have some of your best action or 64 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 1: in Washington specifically, you know, since that's what you know 65 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 1: the best, and and it maybe are you looking for 66 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 1: certain elevations? Are you looking for three No matter if 67 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 1: the mountain goes up the three thousand feet, you're you're 68 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:30,359 Speaker 1: trying to be at like three quarters of that high? 69 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 1: Are you? How does that work? Are you does any 70 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 1: mountain hole, white hill? Are you trying to get like 71 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 1: certain elevations or just certain areas on the ridgeline? Yeah, 72 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 1: So that that's kind of the tough part. Um. I 73 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 1: guess it really depends on whether you know, like usually 74 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 1: in November when we're over there um hunting, um, the 75 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 1: weather is key. And if you get up too high, 76 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 1: like you know, we've had years where all of a sudden, 77 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 1: a storm, freak storm will come in and we'll get 78 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 1: of snow and you can't even make it some of 79 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 1: your stands. So I kind of have several areas that 80 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 1: I've picked out. Some of my stands are lower, they 81 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 1: might only be feet, and then some of my other 82 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 1: stands are forty three hundred feet in elevation. Anything above 83 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:18,839 Speaker 1: that forty three feet, you're really risking it. If a 84 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 1: big snowstorm comes in but I found that a lot 85 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 1: of those bucks will kind of hang out in that 86 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 1: thirty fred like four thousand foot range um. In some 87 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 1: of the bigger deer are kind of in that higher 88 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 1: four thousand range um. But you're definitely gonna be pushing 89 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 1: your you know, you're chaining up usually a lot of 90 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 1: years trying to get to those stands. But it's the 91 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 1: best hunting, So it just kind of depends. I have 92 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 1: a multitude of, you know, areas scouted out in different 93 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:53,919 Speaker 1: areas depending on the weather, um, but definitely looking at 94 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:56,720 Speaker 1: those little bit higher elevations. Some stands I've had at 95 00:04:56,760 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 1: five thousand feet um and the thing you start running 96 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:05,279 Speaker 1: into their is meal deer, and so you know, it's 97 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 1: like you know, you're you start fighting the male deer herds. 98 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 1: But I've had some giant white tail box at that 99 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:16,360 Speaker 1: elevation too, So um, yeah, it's just it's kind of depends, 100 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:19,599 Speaker 1: but I would say that thirty forty two ish range 101 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 1: is probably your best best bet where I'm at. I 102 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 1: know other guys that have hunt they hunt them at 103 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 1: six thousand feet, So it just kind of depends, gotcha. 104 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 1: So kind of to reiterate what you said, you're looking 105 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 1: for a lot of finger ridges that kind of lead 106 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 1: into this a similar or a shared bottom. Um is 107 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:39,600 Speaker 1: you know, so those travel corridors is what you're looking 108 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 1: for for a white tail spot that you want to 109 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:47,279 Speaker 1: invest some time? Yep ye, okay, alright. Question number two, 110 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 1: if you could only hunt for a ten day section 111 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:52,840 Speaker 1: of the season, when would you hunt? Like you know, 112 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 1: so I guess give us your best action, you know, 113 00:05:55,360 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 1: bucks pushing dose. Um, when would that ten days be? Um? 114 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 1: Where I'm at, I would say probably like the eighteenth 115 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: through November like that, that last like ten days ish 116 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 1: if the month is probably your hottest, heaviest action. Um, 117 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: I've actually shot a lot of deer before that. Um. 118 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:20,359 Speaker 1: But if you're very trying to pattern him at that point, 119 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:22,280 Speaker 1: and it's it's just different hunting, they're not going to 120 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:25,040 Speaker 1: see near the action. Um. But that that last part 121 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:29,160 Speaker 1: of the month is definitely your best time. Okay. And 122 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:33,040 Speaker 1: and keep in mind, um, we're in you know, northern Washington, 123 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 1: and is the you go further south that gets a 124 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: little bit later. So keep that in mind. We're talking 125 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:41,159 Speaker 1: specifically about you know, northern Washington. You know, as you 126 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 1: as you move south throughout the country. Um, you know 127 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 1: there's gonna become later you moved north through, it's gonna 128 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:48,840 Speaker 1: be a little bit earlier. So, um, I know we're 129 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 1: going to Kansas this year for my first white tail hunt, 130 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:56,039 Speaker 1: and we're trying to hit that like November, which you 131 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 1: know I would I would think would be maybe a 132 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 1: tad earlier, but it's kind of like trying to you know, 133 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:03,160 Speaker 1: trying to hit just enough of that pre rut right 134 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 1: to when they're gonna be kind of in the in 135 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 1: the peak and and and do that. So that's when 136 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 1: we had elected to put our ten days was November 137 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 1: should be a good time. That kind of guarantees you're 138 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 1: you're in that pre to prime rate. Yeah. The one 139 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 1: thing I'll say with you picking those dates and and 140 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 1: honestly I usually start hunting around that time frame myself, Um, 141 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 1: is you'll catch some of those big deer out cruising 142 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 1: looking for their first dough before they get on their lockdown. 143 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 1: When you start getting into that eighteen on, you'll risk 144 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 1: one of your big bucks. He'll get on a dough 145 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 1: and then they'll just lock themselves down and it might 146 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 1: be to three days and he'll vanish, like completely off 147 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 1: your camera out of the area, he'll be gone. So 148 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 1: I would say, if I had to pick, if you 149 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 1: want to truly hunt like one big deer, I would 150 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 1: be looking at those earlier dates. When you're going I 151 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 1: think that would be prime time. Yeah, yeah, you know, 152 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 1: relating back to Elk. You know, it's always fun to 153 00:07:56,960 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 1: be out there during the peak, right, you know, listen 154 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 1: to biggling. But I've always said, if you want to 155 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 1: kill those bigger bowls, sometimes it's easier to do, you know, 156 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 1: just on the front side of that peak route when 157 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 1: they are on lockdown and they're in full control. That heard. 158 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 1: So it sounds like it's very relatable to a white 159 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 1: tailed deer hunting. Here is your spot on. I always 160 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 1: joked around that I was gonna holt white tails when 161 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 1: I when I turned seventy and couldn't walk around and 162 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 1: chase mel deer anymore. But I'm I'm pretty excited change 163 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 1: it up, do something new, and I think there are 164 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: you know, hunting's hunting that you know. It's it's just 165 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 1: a it's a culmination of putting together lots of information 166 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:33,319 Speaker 1: and strategies and where you're seeing deer and what you're 167 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:34,680 Speaker 1: seeing them doing. And trying to come up with the 168 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 1: best planned and you know, think of win. So I'm 169 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 1: excited to to to see you know how all this 170 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 1: white tail thing comes together. Yeah, I'm excited for you 171 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 1: to go sit the tree and freeze and then you 172 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 1: can tell me all about it. It'll be fun. So 173 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 1: once again, if you've got your own questions for us 174 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 1: here at Cutting the Distance, please submit your questions to 175 00:08:54,200 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 1: ct D at Phelps game Calls dot com. Now I'm 176 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 1: gonna dive into my questions for you John on white 177 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 1: toil hunting, but first I want to do a little 178 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 1: recap on your elk season if you're willing to talk 179 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 1: about it. Um, you know, we we stay in touch. 180 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 1: We text. I think I was in Oregon while you 181 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 1: were in Montana. There you and your wife had a 182 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 1: very successful hunt, and I just wanted to give you 183 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 1: give us a quick five five minute recap on on 184 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 1: how all that went down if if you can. Yeah, 185 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:31,959 Speaker 1: for sure, Um, yeah it was. It was fun just 186 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 1: kind of texting back and forth and seeing what we 187 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 1: each had going on. Um, you know, obviously it's your 188 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:40,119 Speaker 1: buddies and you want to see him be successful. So um, 189 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 1: but yeah, it was. We spent a lot of time 190 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 1: this year. Uh, we've never set foot in this place 191 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 1: and scouted it all summer, packed in water, did everything 192 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:52,320 Speaker 1: right and just put in a ton of work. I 193 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 1: mean I was on Google earthen Onics like literally every 194 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 1: single night, making plans eight through Z and then some 195 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 1: um and it paid off. Um. I mean we got 196 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 1: in oz on bowls pretty much every single day there. 197 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 1: I don't think there was a day I never had 198 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 1: a bowl come by within bow range. And we had 199 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 1: found a bowl that I found during the summer, and 200 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:16,440 Speaker 1: I lost him after he shed, and then ended up 201 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 1: picking him back up at about day six or seven 202 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 1: of the hunt, and he had like thirty cows and 203 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 1: we watched him it couldn't make a play. Had him 204 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 1: the next day at eight yards all day and just 205 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: the wind was messed up, and then um, all those cows, 206 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:34,959 Speaker 1: there's too many eyes. And the weird thing is he 207 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 1: didn't have any satellite bowls running around um, and so 208 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 1: they had all kind of vanished. And then they moved 209 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 1: off that night and then I knew where they headed. 210 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 1: They went north, and so we went the next day, 211 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:49,960 Speaker 1: didn't see him, couldn't turn him up. Literally just we 212 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:51,679 Speaker 1: kind of backed out and we were like, let's go 213 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:54,720 Speaker 1: back to camp for the day and just like regrouped 214 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:56,959 Speaker 1: for a second and just kind of relaxed, and then 215 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:59,960 Speaker 1: we got in the evening and try a whole new area. Yeah, 216 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 1: and uh ended up churning him up like five miles 217 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 1: away north and he was out in this big sage 218 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:09,560 Speaker 1: flat like all on his own, and there was like 219 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: a hundred cows. He lost all thirty cows and then 220 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:15,479 Speaker 1: there was like a hundred cows with about four bulls 221 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 1: about two and a half miles away, and uh, Kylie 222 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:22,080 Speaker 1: ended up spotting her ball um at about a mile 223 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:24,679 Speaker 1: away ish and it had four cows and a calf. 224 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 1: And we watched him and you know, it's kind of 225 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:29,960 Speaker 1: one of those things that wind was perfect and here 226 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 1: they came feeding across this big sage flat headed towards us, 227 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 1: and you know, it's kind of one of those things. 228 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 1: At first, it was like I don't know if they 229 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:38,320 Speaker 1: were were gonna get a play on him, Like we 230 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:40,440 Speaker 1: were on a scouting mission honestly, like sitting back with 231 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:42,720 Speaker 1: spotting scopes and whatnot, just like looking at these elk 232 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 1: and um pretty quick more elks started popping up all 233 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 1: over the place, and here came her bowl with these 234 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 1: four cows and a calf, and I'm you know how 235 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 1: you do. You're just like, well, they're feeding towards us, 236 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 1: and this could be really good for us because the 237 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 1: wind's good, except we're not in a good spot where 238 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 1: in the wide open, and I don't know, I mean, 239 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:06,680 Speaker 1: you know, it was like just instinct kind of took 240 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 1: over and I was like, kydie. I was like, we 241 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:11,320 Speaker 1: gotta run like as fast as we can, like around 242 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 1: four hundred yards around the back side of this hill 243 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:14,679 Speaker 1: and like pop out. I was like, they're gonna come 244 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:17,439 Speaker 1: through this saddle to our left, and we got to 245 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:19,960 Speaker 1: get the wind right and I was like, I don't 246 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 1: even know if they're gonna come by, but I was like, 247 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 1: they're gonna come by somewhere in there, so I was 248 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:26,960 Speaker 1: like we might get a shot. We might not. And 249 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 1: then my bowl spots her bowl and her elks like 250 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 1: four or like eight hundred yards away at that point, 251 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:36,200 Speaker 1: and my bull is like a mile off and he 252 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 1: sees them and starts just ripping bugles, and it was 253 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:42,080 Speaker 1: I was like, oh boy, here we go. I was like, 254 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 1: he's gonna come take those cows. Not sure where his 255 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 1: thirty cows went. So we uh got in position, ran 256 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 1: around like four yards, got behind this the only rock 257 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:55,440 Speaker 1: and bush that was in the area, and I started 258 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:58,440 Speaker 1: ripping off like three like loud as cow call as 259 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 1: they could, and they all hurt it. And then here 260 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 1: they came and they started across and then I peek 261 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 1: over the top in like fifty yards. One of the 262 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:10,679 Speaker 1: cows pops up and I'm like, crap, knocking arrow, like 263 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 1: we're like, they're right here on our lap, and uh 264 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:17,320 Speaker 1: we did. And then her bowl ended up pushing one 265 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 1: of the cows like right by us, and literally ran 266 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:22,840 Speaker 1: jumped over the rock that we're behind. We had like 267 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 1: feet like four or five ft in the air above us, 268 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:28,560 Speaker 1: and it was the craziest thing I've ever seen. They 269 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 1: run by us, she's chasing this cow. She stops like 270 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 1: forty yards behind us. He runs back, and in the meantime, 271 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:35,959 Speaker 1: I look back in front of me, and I look 272 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 1: up and there's a cow standing there like three ft 273 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 1: from the end of my arrow, and I was like, 274 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 1: oh boy, we're done. And uh he runs back up 275 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 1: stops at seven yards and it's spooked. The cow in 276 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 1: front of me, thank God, because otherwise I would have 277 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 1: been stuck. And he puts his head down, grabs a 278 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 1: piece of grass, lifts his head. She just drew a 279 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 1: bow back and he just stood there looking at her. 280 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 1: Shot him and then he turned runs down back where 281 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 1: they came from, takes the cows and the calf with them, 282 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 1: and it's one of those things the big bulls like 283 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 1: bogle and the whole time coming in. But I totally 284 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 1: space because I was more focused on her, you know, 285 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 1: shooting that bowl, her first bowl at the bow, and 286 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 1: I jumped up, we hugged, and we held and I 287 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 1: was like watching blood is pouring out of her bowl. 288 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 1: And I looked at like a hundred yards and the 289 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 1: big bulls standing there, and his head's just swiveling all 290 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 1: over the place, and I was like, oh no, And 291 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 1: I was like, we just blew this. So I did 292 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 1: like three quick cow calls just to calm everything down, 293 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 1: and he lost his mind and just ran started bugle 294 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 1: and I ran right into thirteen yards and came out 295 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 1: on the other side of the bush and I shot 296 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 1: him and he just ran down, and both the elk 297 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 1: fell over at the same time, like literally mind fell 298 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 1: over and hers fell over at the same time, and uh, dude, 299 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 1: it was pretty It was pretty wild, but just seeing 300 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 1: her get her first one with the bow. And we 301 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 1: had put in so much work. I mean, we had 302 00:14:56,400 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 1: bowls all over the place and I actually let on 303 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 1: my first morning. Um, I let like a three bowl 304 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 1: walk at twenty eight yards and I was like, man, 305 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 1: did I do the right thing? You know, just that's 306 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 1: a big bowl that a lot of people want to kill, 307 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 1: and uh, well it turns out I did, And at 308 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 1: least I got this pole that I had watched all 309 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 1: summer and we just made the right game plan and 310 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 1: and we got him. So yeah, it was it was fun. Yeah, 311 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 1: that's pretty cool to double and and see it all 312 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 1: come together like that. So um, no, congrats on your 313 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 1: guys ELK season. Now we're gonna dive in to the 314 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 1: white tail hunting, um and some of the questions that 315 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 1: I have, So when you set up an area, you know, 316 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 1: we we talked earlier from when of the listener questions like, 317 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 1: you know, how do you set up an area? And 318 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 1: then the next thing you're gonna obviously have to do 319 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 1: is go scout it. Um, you're not gonna want to 320 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 1: jump or invest a bunch of time into an area 321 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 1: that that maybe doesn't you know, have deer in it, 322 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 1: or won't have deer in it. So when do you 323 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 1: start scouting? How do you scout and and kind of 324 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 1: how do you put that together? You know, because a 325 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 1: lot of these deer in the in the thick timber, 326 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 1: you can't necessarily glass them up. Um, you know, so 327 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 1: I'm assuming you're going, you know, trail cameras, Um, are 328 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 1: you put them on the ridge? Is kind of let 329 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 1: us know how you scout and when you start scouting, 330 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 1: so at least those deer going to be in the area, um, 331 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 1: you know when you start hunting. Yeah, for sure. So 332 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 1: I have a lot of the areas that we've we 333 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 1: hunt now, um, and it was obviously easier when I 334 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 1: lived in Washington to scout it than it is now. 335 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 1: But um, if it was a brand new area that 336 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 1: we've never been to, we would go over during the 337 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 1: summer and just like litter the place with trail cameras, 338 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 1: like just trying to find these trails, um, and then 339 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 1: find these benches and whatnot, and you'll find what are 340 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 1: called like a community scrape and they'll actually hit this 341 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 1: scrape all year around and just kind of market and 342 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 1: it'll be bigger than like a normal scrape that will 343 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 1: happen during the rut. Um it'll be something you know, 344 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 1: three or four ft across, sometimes bigger and if you 345 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 1: hike around, you'll find these. And so we would start 346 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 1: setting up trail cameras on these and these deer will 347 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 1: hit these things, you know, kind of all season, especially 348 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 1: during the rut and stuff too, and uh, then other 349 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 1: other ruts are other scrapes will show up. Um. But 350 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:05,919 Speaker 1: then we obviously are looking for rubs and you know 351 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:07,440 Speaker 1: that type of thing and trying to see, you know, 352 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 1: is there you know, scrape lines, rub lines like stuff 353 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:13,199 Speaker 1: that you know these deer will make. And if you 354 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:16,399 Speaker 1: go early in the spring before it greens up, um, 355 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 1: you know that stuff stands out like you know, a 356 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:21,679 Speaker 1: sort thumbs. So that's what we would do when we 357 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 1: first started, um, you know, really scouting new areas. And 358 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:28,920 Speaker 1: then after we learned, you know, kind of where the 359 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 1: deer were. Um. You know, obviously there's a lot of 360 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:36,159 Speaker 1: area where there is no deer and so um, you know, 361 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:38,120 Speaker 1: it's kind of trial and air run the cameras, see 362 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 1: what's on them, find these spots, and then once we did, 363 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 1: then you know, it's easy to go back and then 364 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 1: kind of expand on those core areas and like dive 365 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:48,920 Speaker 1: down in a little bit and get a little deeper 366 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:52,399 Speaker 1: um and then really start tearing it apart. But yeah, 367 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 1: you're right. So a lot of these big bucks white 368 00:17:55,760 --> 00:18:00,199 Speaker 1: tail in general, they don't they don't travel, uh, you know, 369 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 1: out and clear cuts and much and especially when we hunt, 370 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:05,399 Speaker 1: like there just isn't any like it's all big, thick timber. 371 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 1: And so if you don't run cameras, I mean, you're 372 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 1: you're shooting yourself in the foot. Like you'll never find 373 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 1: these deer. And what's wild is like they have a 374 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 1: you know, general rifle season, muddle muzzle order season, everything 375 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 1: else that goes along before we even get a chance 376 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 1: to hunt. And if those animals, if people did their 377 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 1: research and knew like what was truly running around, man, 378 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 1: they'd probably do a lot better with a rifle. But 379 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:36,439 Speaker 1: we we've had a lot of years where you know, 380 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 1: these bucks, we have them year after year after year, 381 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 1: and I'm just shocked that they make it through rifle season. 382 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:44,359 Speaker 1: But it's like these people just they don't hunt the 383 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:46,200 Speaker 1: way that we do. They don't know those deer even 384 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 1: around and you know during October. I mean those big 385 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 1: deer just so nocturnal that I mean you're never going 386 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:52,919 Speaker 1: to shoot one and you can't sneak up on them 387 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:56,880 Speaker 1: unless you're in a tree stand. So yeah, so so 388 00:18:57,280 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 1: I know, you know, we get to follow along, you know, 389 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 1: as you share your pick cheers and stuff. Um, so 390 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:05,400 Speaker 1: you're scouting. Let's say you got your trail cameras up 391 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 1: and you know big Bucks are in the area. It 392 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 1: sounds like you're hunting, you know, mid to late November. 393 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 1: If those deer there in November, like they're gonna be there, 394 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 1: uh come the rut? Like there are you saying they're 395 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 1: going to be in that same area year round? Or 396 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:20,679 Speaker 1: do they move into certain areas you know, prior to 397 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:22,360 Speaker 1: that rut and then once they're there, you know, say 398 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 1: late October early November, you're just banking on them eventually 399 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:29,400 Speaker 1: coming back by or you know, being in that area. Yeah. 400 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 1: So some of the areas that we that we hunt, 401 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:36,879 Speaker 1: those deer literally lived there year round. Like I've figured 402 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 1: out where they live and I've just like these particular 403 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:43,720 Speaker 1: draws always hold big Bucks and these deer will live 404 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:46,160 Speaker 1: in there. I mean, they just they do not come 405 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 1: out of there. Um. And so I do have a 406 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:53,119 Speaker 1: few areas that I set up uh stands in cameras 407 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 1: and whatnot on that the deer will move in when 408 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 1: the rut starts. And it's just kind of one of 409 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 1: those things like you know elk for example, Like over 410 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:02,879 Speaker 1: the years, you'll figure out and they just rut in 411 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 1: a certain area. And I do have a few spots 412 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:08,920 Speaker 1: that I found where these deer will come down in 413 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:11,920 Speaker 1: they rut, and that is the only time you're ever 414 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 1: gonna see like that particular buck um versus you know. 415 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 1: I mean he could live five miles away over the 416 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:22,120 Speaker 1: backside of a mountain range like and you know, show up. Um. 417 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 1: I have had deer literally eight nine miles away, and 418 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 1: they will come over to mountain ranges drainages like along 419 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 1: ways and show up on a camera all of a sudden, 420 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:37,400 Speaker 1: you know, during the rut, like they'll start cruising. Um. 421 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:39,879 Speaker 1: But you can kind of find their core home, like 422 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:42,640 Speaker 1: their core area if they're there during the summer where 423 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:45,919 Speaker 1: I'm hunting. At least these deer will be there like 424 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:48,880 Speaker 1: all season, and you know, give or take, they might 425 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:51,479 Speaker 1: move you know, a half mile a mile, but a 426 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:53,680 Speaker 1: lot of the big ones they literally will live within 427 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 1: like a one mile square area like all year and 428 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 1: won't move. Got So that's a great, great point on 429 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 1: scouting and figuring out. So the next the next decision 430 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 1: I'm assuming that has to be made. You know, once 431 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 1: you do you're scouting, is where are you going to 432 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:10,200 Speaker 1: set up your tree stand or where are you gonna 433 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:12,399 Speaker 1: set up your ground blind and some of those things 434 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 1: that will now affect us. So we've established that we've 435 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 1: got you know, a target buck or some target bucks 436 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 1: in your area. Um, you're looking at where you're gonna 437 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 1: set your stand up? Are you setting your stand up 438 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 1: right at your camera? Are you looking at travel corridors 439 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 1: you know within that area, or where you think maybe 440 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:32,160 Speaker 1: the does are going to travel more so than that buck? Um? 441 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 1: And then the other thing I'm assuming is wind. Um, 442 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 1: we've got our prevailing wind, which is you know, and 443 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 1: then you've got your thermals, and then you've got you know, 444 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:41,959 Speaker 1: that time of year, you've got storm systems and stuff 445 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:43,919 Speaker 1: coming in. Like give us a little bit on how 446 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 1: you're gonna establish where you're setting your stand? And then 447 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 1: is it based on you know how how it relates 448 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 1: to travel corridors and in the wind direction. Yeah, so 449 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:55,959 Speaker 1: we what we do generally, you know, we're hunting them 450 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:57,560 Speaker 1: in the mountains, so it's a lot different than farm 451 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 1: fields where you'll get that prevailing wind generally, and you'll 452 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:02,920 Speaker 1: know when a storm system comes in what the wind 453 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 1: is gonna do. Um. Kind of ironically, we we look 454 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 1: at like LK. Cunting the way that we hunt and 455 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 1: set our stands for white tails. Um. The wind is 456 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 1: usually pulling down in the morning, pretty hard down these draws, 457 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:18,440 Speaker 1: and so we'll try to come in from the bottom 458 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 1: and get our stuff set up where we can access 459 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:23,920 Speaker 1: it with the wind in our face. Generally the deer 460 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 1: will be above us. Um, kind of know where they're 461 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 1: hanging out. Obviously we'll bumps some when we're coming in 462 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:31,920 Speaker 1: it sometimes, but it's just part of part of it. Um. 463 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 1: But generally we try to come in from the bottom 464 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 1: and get the wind right. And also when we're leaving 465 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:38,639 Speaker 1: in the evening, that way we go out and the 466 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:42,239 Speaker 1: wind is obviously it's pulling down, but the deer above us, 467 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 1: so we're walking out with the wind you know, in 468 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 1: our favor going out, Um, it's at our back, but 469 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 1: we're not bumping deer. Um. So that's kind of how 470 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 1: what we look at when we're trying to access an area. Obviously, 471 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 1: I have like six eight different stands set up in 472 00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 1: different areas. Some some places I might have two at 473 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:02,160 Speaker 1: the same so I can come in a different way. Um, 474 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 1: if a storm rolls in or something and it changes 475 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 1: the thermals or it gets kind of weird throughout the day, 476 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 1: I might you know, get down and move over to 477 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:13,359 Speaker 1: another spot. Um. So that's that's kind of the kicker. 478 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 1: But then what I'm looking for and in this, you know, 479 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:20,199 Speaker 1: is it's kind of ironic in a way. Like the 480 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:23,639 Speaker 1: does will come in and walk a certain trail, and 481 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:25,680 Speaker 1: you think that, like all the deer are gonna walk 482 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 1: that same trail. Um, But I've found the little er bucks, 483 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 1: like you're one and a half to like three and 484 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:33,240 Speaker 1: a half maybe and four and a half year old deer, 485 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:35,880 Speaker 1: they'll kind of follow the same trails as the does. 486 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:37,679 Speaker 1: But if you start getting in that four and a 487 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 1: half five and a half plus aged deer, he will 488 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:43,440 Speaker 1: literally try to get the wind right and he'll come 489 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 1: in and walk his own trail, Like twenty yards below 490 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 1: like the main trail that like all the other deer 491 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 1: take and just so he can smell him as he's 492 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 1: walking along in It's it's weird, like I've watched enough 493 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 1: big bucks over the years, and they never come in 494 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 1: where you think they're gonna They always are glow or high, 495 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,399 Speaker 1: like wherever the wind is. Uh, you know, during the 496 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:08,720 Speaker 1: day obviously they'll go be above it because the thermals. 497 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:12,680 Speaker 1: But um, I'll try to figure out where he's coming 498 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 1: from and where I think I'm gonna have my best 499 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 1: opportunity for a shooting lane, and I'll put my stand 500 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 1: back where I can access it, but where he's more 501 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 1: likely to come out of, like a thick patch of 502 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 1: brush or something. Um, and you know where he's gonna 503 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,879 Speaker 1: end up walking on his own trail. Um. And I 504 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:36,359 Speaker 1: and what I'll do, I'll literally like go look at 505 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:39,359 Speaker 1: big buck tracks and I'll backtrack them and try to 506 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 1: figure out, like where that buck is betting. Obviously, I 507 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 1: try to do it preseason, so if I bump him, 508 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,239 Speaker 1: you know, he'll hopefully be back in there before like 509 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 1: the time of year when I'm gonna hunt him. Um. 510 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:56,360 Speaker 1: But I've learned so much after I've actually like harvest 511 00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 1: you know, harvest shot at deer or whatever I've I've 512 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 1: like learned so much those next few days after and 513 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 1: I'll like go back to my other stands and backtrack 514 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 1: the big deer and figure out where they were coming from. 515 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 1: And that just takes years of of learning. But once 516 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 1: you figure that out, um, you know, it's like then 517 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 1: I'll be able to move in there the next year 518 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:21,360 Speaker 1: and you know, set my stand up and boom, like 519 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 1: you'll that's where you you'll know where you want to 520 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:26,879 Speaker 1: put it. So it's kind of a combination of certain things. 521 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 1: But look at you know, whatever way the wind's going. Generally, 522 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:32,400 Speaker 1: if you know, if you're in the timber and it's 523 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 1: pulling down or whatnot, in that time of year, it's 524 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 1: so cold out that the wind seems to be pulling 525 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:42,120 Speaker 1: downhill a lot, and the deer will he'll be below 526 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,560 Speaker 1: that trail like twenty yards every time. So it's like 527 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,399 Speaker 1: I'll set up off that trail a little bit, you know, 528 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,199 Speaker 1: twenty yards below it or so, and then if he 529 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:52,359 Speaker 1: comes on that trail at twenty, I'm shooting there. If 530 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:55,159 Speaker 1: he hits the main trail, I'm shooting forty and you 531 00:25:55,200 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 1: know that's it is what it is. Now we're gonna 532 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,360 Speaker 1: move on to maybe one of the most contentious topics 533 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:17,960 Speaker 1: when it comes to white tail deer hunting. And you've 534 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,960 Speaker 1: got people on both ends of the spectrum. But I'm 535 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 1: just looking for your own opinion on scent. Um. The 536 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:25,879 Speaker 1: thrubles aren't always gonna work the way you want, The 537 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 1: wind isn't always gonna do what you want. So what's 538 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 1: your opinion on scent and how much precaution do you 539 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 1: take when dealing with that? So are we talking like 540 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:37,119 Speaker 1: scent control or are we talking like deer sense? I 541 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 1: would say like scent control? What how how important is it? 542 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:41,920 Speaker 1: You know, we'll talk about attractings and stuff here in 543 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:43,960 Speaker 1: a little bit, but just your own scent and making 544 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 1: sure that you know you're not spooking you know, deer 545 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 1: out of the area. Yeah, for sure. So that we 546 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:51,879 Speaker 1: kind of have mixed opinions on that, and I've you know, 547 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 1: heard so many different opinions. But I'm the type of 548 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,200 Speaker 1: guy like I use a lot of like dead down 549 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 1: wind and those scent killers and whatnot. Um, I try 550 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:04,199 Speaker 1: to shower every night and you know, use all the 551 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 1: everything I can I'll spray my clothes down, my boots 552 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 1: down every single night. Um. The thing is, I found, 553 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,119 Speaker 1: you know, we've we've kind of adopted the ground blind 554 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,880 Speaker 1: game here over the last few years, uh five six 555 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 1: years actually, since my sister started hunting with us. And 556 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 1: it's it's weird being on the ground in a blind. 557 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,919 Speaker 1: You can get away with so much more than you 558 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,840 Speaker 1: can when you're sitting in a stand. I love sitting 559 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 1: in a stand because I have way more shooting opportunity. 560 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 1: When you're in the ground blind, You've only got like 561 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 1: one little window or two to shoot out of, so 562 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:38,639 Speaker 1: the deer has to cross where you where you're shooting. Um. 563 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,679 Speaker 1: But man, I feel like we've got away with like 564 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,199 Speaker 1: murders sitting in that in that stand or in the 565 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,359 Speaker 1: ground blind. Um, you know. And so my dad, you know, 566 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 1: and sister there, they'll spray down every now and then 567 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,480 Speaker 1: and you know, a couple of days type thing and whatnot. 568 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,679 Speaker 1: I do it every single night. I don't know if 569 00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,439 Speaker 1: it truly makes a difference. If it doesn't. All I 570 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,160 Speaker 1: know is is that I've had days where I get winded, 571 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:04,640 Speaker 1: and you know, it's like I don't know if it's 572 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 1: because you know the winds are horrible and just swirling 573 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:10,679 Speaker 1: too much. Those seem to be the days when I 574 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:15,760 Speaker 1: get winded. Um, But I feel my thing is whether 575 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:17,919 Speaker 1: the stuff works or not. I mean, it's on the market, 576 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,440 Speaker 1: there's so much of it, and something has to work, 577 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 1: and I feel like, in my opinion, like it has 578 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 1: to be better than not doing anything. So I'm like, 579 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:28,359 Speaker 1: if it just gives me that extra second to fool 580 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 1: that deer like not be smelled, and I get the shot, 581 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 1: I'm all for it. Um. The other kicker is like 582 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:41,760 Speaker 1: my stands. I set my tree stands like usually, and 583 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 1: I found it about twenty two ft the thermals change 584 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,920 Speaker 1: like the wind. The wind will actually change. I used 585 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 1: to set them all around that twenty ftmark, and I 586 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 1: would get winded. Once I went higher, then I stopped 587 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 1: getting winded as much and so and seen, so I don't. 588 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it's like there's definitely a gap 589 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 1: right there in that twenty two foot range twenty ft 590 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:07,480 Speaker 1: where the wind will change and you can get away 591 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 1: with so much more. I still use my scent control. 592 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,440 Speaker 1: I haven't ever stopped since day one. Um. I think 593 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 1: you know, it's kind of one of those things like 594 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 1: maybe a superstitious thing. I'm like, man, if I do 595 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 1: this like it's gonna bring me good luck. Um, but 596 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 1: I feel like it works and that I guess it's 597 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 1: kind of my my own head, so I'll keep doing it. Yeah. Yeah, 598 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:30,520 Speaker 1: I don't think there's a right or wrong answer. It's 599 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:34,080 Speaker 1: what people are comfortable with and what they feel work. So. UM, 600 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 1: Now in Washington, I know the rules have changed over 601 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 1: the last few years. Um, but we're allowed to use 602 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:44,160 Speaker 1: you know, baits and small small quantity. And then also 603 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,760 Speaker 1: you were mentioned like deer attractants or since what's your 604 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 1: opinion on on bates and attractants? Um, you know how 605 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 1: you use them? And then um, you know the the 606 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:59,160 Speaker 1: advantages and disadvantages of bits and attractings. Yeah. So, I mean, dude, 607 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,440 Speaker 1: we we've done every thing, and like you know, we 608 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 1: have stands. I mean we set up every year and 609 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 1: we'll put bait out and whatnot because we're allowed to 610 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,240 Speaker 1: bait in Washington, and it kind of varies. You know 611 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,240 Speaker 1: where we're at, and you know what we put out 612 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,320 Speaker 1: and what we do. I have other stands where I 613 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,960 Speaker 1: literally just hunt scrapes and you know, redlines and that 614 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:20,280 Speaker 1: type of thing, but generally big scrapes, and I'll put 615 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 1: out you know, um like buck fever synthetics. Like they 616 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:27,000 Speaker 1: have their their scrape Uh I forgot exactly the name 617 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 1: of would have to dig it out, but it's uh. 618 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,920 Speaker 1: They have a like rut scent and then they have 619 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 1: a mock scrape scent. And I'll build my own scrapes 620 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,360 Speaker 1: or if I have scrapes that I found over the years, 621 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 1: and I'll dump some of that in it. And I 622 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:44,720 Speaker 1: love hunting that way because I feel like the true 623 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:48,440 Speaker 1: big bucks. I'll be honest, like I mean, yes, we've 624 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,320 Speaker 1: killed a few over bait, but like the true big 625 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 1: ones don't come to the bait, like they will stay 626 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 1: outside of it, and they'll stop at thirty forty yards 627 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,720 Speaker 1: and like look over there, and if there's not a 628 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:04,760 Speaker 1: dough there. They they're spooky man like, it's it's not 629 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,760 Speaker 1: the same if you're hunting a scrape. He's a lot 630 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 1: more like he's still super cautious, and they're so spooky 631 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 1: compared to like a mule deer or an elk. But 632 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,280 Speaker 1: they'll come in and it's like almost like their guards 633 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,080 Speaker 1: down a little bit because they're like, oh, hey, another 634 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 1: dear is peed here and made his own scrape, rubbed 635 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 1: these limbs, done whatever, and I'm just leaving my scent. 636 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:31,840 Speaker 1: And so he's definitely less cautious. And so it's like 637 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:35,160 Speaker 1: if they come in and they're coming in the bait man, 638 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 1: it's like they're on edge and it is hard to 639 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:41,560 Speaker 1: shoot them like they I mean, it's like you better 640 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,680 Speaker 1: not be making a noise or or have your clothes 641 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,760 Speaker 1: make a noise or anything. I've had bucks come in 642 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:51,680 Speaker 1: and literally like lose their minds, spook just at me 643 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 1: trying to draw my bow back and I barely even 644 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:59,200 Speaker 1: moved and so, um, it's hard. But does the bait 645 00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,880 Speaker 1: bring in year, yes, Like I mean, if you know 646 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 1: guys over there, they'll throw alfalfa. Some people throw out corn, 647 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 1: that type of thing. Um. The thing that I will caution, 648 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:10,840 Speaker 1: like if you ever use corn or something, depending where 649 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,239 Speaker 1: you're hunting, bears will find it in the early part 650 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,640 Speaker 1: in November. And if you're going to scare every gear 651 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 1: out of the country because the barrel come in and 652 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,440 Speaker 1: live on it and eat it. Um, So you kind 653 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,760 Speaker 1: of got to be careful with that. Delfalfa is probably 654 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:26,400 Speaker 1: the better way to go. Um. But obviously you can't 655 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,280 Speaker 1: put that much out in Washington. I think it's two 656 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,880 Speaker 1: five gallon buckets still and um, which is not much. 657 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:36,120 Speaker 1: And uh, the does if you can get the dose 658 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,480 Speaker 1: hanging around eating that, like obviously a big Buck's going 659 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,920 Speaker 1: to come in. But I could count on one hand 660 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:43,720 Speaker 1: over the years or two my dad's sister and I 661 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:48,080 Speaker 1: and how many we've actually got, like the big ones 662 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:51,320 Speaker 1: like eating the bait like if they just don't. So 663 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:55,280 Speaker 1: I tend to follow my pinch my pinch points in 664 00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,880 Speaker 1: the scrapes and then I'll use those primarily as my 665 00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:01,719 Speaker 1: main hunting opportunity. Yeah, I've I've been talking to Randy Milligan, 666 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:03,920 Speaker 1: my buddy there in Kansas, and it's the same thing. 667 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:07,120 Speaker 1: Like those big bucks, they're not interested in eating the 668 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,320 Speaker 1: bait pile or the feeder or anything like that. And 669 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:11,880 Speaker 1: so a lot of his um, you know, those bucks 670 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 1: are coming in checking for does. But then they're gonna 671 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,360 Speaker 1: stay you know, a hundred yards off a down wind 672 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,280 Speaker 1: of that, and they're just really checking on does. They 673 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,520 Speaker 1: have no desire to go eat you know, out of 674 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,200 Speaker 1: out of any sort of bait or you know, artificial 675 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,040 Speaker 1: food source or anything like that. So it sounds like 676 00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,680 Speaker 1: it's real similar even in farm country compared to you know, 677 00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 1: high mountain white tails. Those big bucks are just at 678 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,920 Speaker 1: a different level and they're all interested in nixposing themselves, 679 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:34,960 Speaker 1: you know, the wide opener or going to a spot 680 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:39,160 Speaker 1: like that. Alright, So we touched on this this question 681 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:40,600 Speaker 1: A little bit that I had for is kind of 682 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,040 Speaker 1: when to hunt white tails. We kind of picked you know, November. 683 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,080 Speaker 1: But are there elements or or things that affect that, Like, 684 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:50,320 Speaker 1: are there is there a weather pattern or you know 685 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:52,200 Speaker 1: a type of weather that just gets you super stoked 686 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,160 Speaker 1: to get up in the stand? Um you know, like 687 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,080 Speaker 1: like what's your favorite time to hunt white tail? Like 688 00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,440 Speaker 1: a two inch dusting a snow, you know, twelve inches 689 00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,680 Speaker 1: a new snow, Like what's that ultimate? Um, you know 690 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,040 Speaker 1: day you just need to be in the stand. Yeah, 691 00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,600 Speaker 1: So my my favorite, absolute favorite day is to be 692 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:11,120 Speaker 1: sitting there the day before, like and if I know 693 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,359 Speaker 1: a storm system is coming of any sort, so it's 694 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,719 Speaker 1: like could be you know, like tomorrow it's gonna just 695 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,640 Speaker 1: pour down rain or a snow storm is coming in 696 00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:24,720 Speaker 1: um Man, the night before can be really good because 697 00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,000 Speaker 1: those animals know a storm is coming, so they'll get 698 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:30,360 Speaker 1: up and start moving. But then the day to storm 699 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:34,760 Speaker 1: hits and my like personal favorite is to be sitting 700 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 1: in a stand mid day and excuse me as mid 701 00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:43,680 Speaker 1: day and we'll have that storm roll in. If a 702 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,839 Speaker 1: storm rolls in at any point like during that day 703 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:48,719 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden it gets you know, it 704 00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,640 Speaker 1: could be blowing, could be nasty, starts snowing. The big 705 00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:55,239 Speaker 1: one is if it starts snowing. And I man, I've 706 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,000 Speaker 1: had so many days where I'm sitting there and it's 707 00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:00,880 Speaker 1: just a cool, calm day, know, and then all of 708 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:04,600 Speaker 1: a sudden it'll the weather starts changing and snowflakes start 709 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,759 Speaker 1: falling out of the sky. Those big bucks get on 710 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:11,560 Speaker 1: their feet and they like every time. I mean, I 711 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:13,480 Speaker 1: would say most of the big ones I've killed has 712 00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:16,880 Speaker 1: been in that weather condition, Like the weather changes and 713 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:20,319 Speaker 1: boom here they come. Now that being said, if there's 714 00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:23,440 Speaker 1: no storm coming in, but it's gonna get cold or 715 00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:27,320 Speaker 1: there's snow on the ground, my next kind of favorite 716 00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,760 Speaker 1: time would be like six to eight, ten and twelve 717 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:33,400 Speaker 1: inches of snow and as cold as it can get, 718 00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,640 Speaker 1: like just clear skies. But let the weather the temperatures 719 00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,080 Speaker 1: drop hopefully I mean we've been sitting over there some 720 00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,600 Speaker 1: years and it's negative two degrees and we sit there 721 00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:44,560 Speaker 1: for ten hours a day, don't get out. But the 722 00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:48,000 Speaker 1: deer move all day, like they will be roaming around. 723 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,720 Speaker 1: They're coming in because it's cold, they are checking those, 724 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:55,000 Speaker 1: they're looking for those, and you will have so much 725 00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:58,680 Speaker 1: activity the colder it gets, and so that's probably my 726 00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:02,759 Speaker 1: second favorite time. Um, but the storm rolling in is 727 00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,759 Speaker 1: like the ultimate. I mean, if you get a day 728 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:11,040 Speaker 1: like that, you're you're going to kill a big one, gotcha. Yeah, 729 00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,040 Speaker 1: that's that's Uh, that's kind of what I was thinking. 730 00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,760 Speaker 1: You know, similar to other hunting you know, pre pre system, 731 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,480 Speaker 1: you know, during the system and then you know what 732 00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:20,560 Speaker 1: I what I don't like on at least what I've 733 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,359 Speaker 1: hunted is like the same weather for you know, ten 734 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,400 Speaker 1: days in a row, like you want some you know, 735 00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,160 Speaker 1: you want weather patterns that are changing in order to 736 00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:31,040 Speaker 1: you know, get the deer moving. Um So that makes 737 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,480 Speaker 1: a ton of sense. So now we're gonna get into 738 00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:36,000 Speaker 1: more of what I would consider. You know, what I 739 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,800 Speaker 1: would think is the funnest part is calling to the deer, 740 00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:42,040 Speaker 1: you know, audibly, you know, attracting a deer to your location, 741 00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,440 Speaker 1: and UM, I'm gonna take a little bit to kind 742 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,759 Speaker 1: of just announce that that new deer call line we've got. 743 00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,760 Speaker 1: We've got UM a full category. We've got three different 744 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:54,200 Speaker 1: grunt calls coming out. UM. We've got a bleat adjustable bleat, 745 00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:55,920 Speaker 1: and then we've also got a full and distress call 746 00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:57,920 Speaker 1: for you know, calling in some of those mealies that 747 00:36:57,920 --> 00:36:59,759 Speaker 1: are on lockdown and some of the other stuff we do. 748 00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:03,040 Speaker 1: So we've got a Alpha grunner, which is the deepest 749 00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:05,759 Speaker 1: sounding UM grant we've got. We've got a Beta, which 750 00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:09,279 Speaker 1: is more of a UM full acrylic UH. I would 751 00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:12,120 Speaker 1: call it like a duck style UM deer call. And 752 00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:15,480 Speaker 1: then we've got a Omega, which is a hybrid acrylic 753 00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,719 Speaker 1: plastic call um that's fully adjustable. We've got a d 754 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,800 Speaker 1: O a bleat UM and then in that fall in distress, 755 00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:26,279 Speaker 1: we're excited to release those finally um on on October tenth. 756 00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,960 Speaker 1: But let's jump into your kind of your your your 757 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,120 Speaker 1: white tailed deer calling strategy kind of the calls you use, 758 00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:35,960 Speaker 1: your approach. You know, whether you're randomly blowing on a 759 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,719 Speaker 1: call every you know, fifteen minutes, or if you do 760 00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,680 Speaker 1: it at certain times. Um. And then how you go 761 00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:45,439 Speaker 1: about you know, bringing those dear dear location through calls. Yeah, 762 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:49,680 Speaker 1: for sure. So one thing, if it's earlier in the season, uh, 763 00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:53,360 Speaker 1: you know that kind of early to mid November time frame, 764 00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,840 Speaker 1: we do a lot of rattling and grunting, um you know, 765 00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,719 Speaker 1: and like kind of tending grunts you know type thing 766 00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:02,080 Speaker 1: or you know, something to kind of like hey, you know, 767 00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:04,759 Speaker 1: maybe this bucks tending a dough already, and try to 768 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:09,480 Speaker 1: pick their interests. Um. And so that the rattling works 769 00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:12,040 Speaker 1: really good. Early it's like the bucks are you know, 770 00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:14,919 Speaker 1: they're fighting, they're trying to sabash their dominance. And we've 771 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,879 Speaker 1: we've had some really good luck rattling in some big 772 00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,919 Speaker 1: deer um you know that that come in that time 773 00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,879 Speaker 1: of year, and obviously a ton of small deer too 774 00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:25,560 Speaker 1: that come in and they're just trying to figure out 775 00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:29,480 Speaker 1: what where the party's at. Um. And so that works 776 00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,840 Speaker 1: really good then. Um. But then as kind of things 777 00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:38,040 Speaker 1: progress into the right a little farther, a little heavier, hotter, well, 778 00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:41,759 Speaker 1: what we tend to do is we'll still do maybe 779 00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,120 Speaker 1: a rattle here and there, like let them know like, hey, 780 00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:46,000 Speaker 1: maybe there's some bucks fighting over here like one of 781 00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:49,480 Speaker 1: these does you know is in estris like she's hot um, 782 00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,080 Speaker 1: and and try to pick their interest still. But well, 783 00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,040 Speaker 1: what I like to do is the early morning, Like 784 00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,520 Speaker 1: first thing right when I get to stand right at daylight, 785 00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:01,040 Speaker 1: um is maybe do like a couple just know buck grunts, 786 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:04,040 Speaker 1: you know, like hey, you know I'm over here or 787 00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:07,960 Speaker 1: attending grunt type style and let them know. And then 788 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:09,799 Speaker 1: the other thing I'll do is like kind of that 789 00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:14,479 Speaker 1: doe in estis, you know, bleat type thing um, and 790 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:16,880 Speaker 1: just let them know like hey, maybe there's you know, 791 00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:18,799 Speaker 1: a dover here. And so I'll do like a doe 792 00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:22,480 Speaker 1: bleat and then I'll do like two three four grunts 793 00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:25,760 Speaker 1: right after that and let them know that you know, hey, 794 00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:27,919 Speaker 1: you know something's going on over here, and see if 795 00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,000 Speaker 1: obviously there's got to be a deer close enough to 796 00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,759 Speaker 1: hear it. Um. And that's a tough part about where 797 00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:36,640 Speaker 1: we hunt in the mountains. It's it's those deer living 798 00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,359 Speaker 1: those jaws, but it deadends to sounds so much we're 799 00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,240 Speaker 1: like a farm field, it will kind of carry further, 800 00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:45,359 Speaker 1: so the deer has to be somewhat close. But we'll 801 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,480 Speaker 1: go in do those bleats and then I'll shut up 802 00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:51,600 Speaker 1: for you know, a while, and then I might do 803 00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,680 Speaker 1: like one or two sessions like fifteen minutes apart, right 804 00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,400 Speaker 1: in the morning, and then I might not do anything 805 00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:02,080 Speaker 1: until like ten eleven o'clock, like mid day. And what 806 00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:04,760 Speaker 1: we found, honestly, like a lot of the big bucks 807 00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:07,160 Speaker 1: in the morning. Even sometimes they'll be laying down at 808 00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:10,480 Speaker 1: daylight already because they've read it all night, and then 809 00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:14,480 Speaker 1: tended to mid day is when we've seen most of 810 00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:17,320 Speaker 1: our big deer over the years, and those big bucks 811 00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:20,920 Speaker 1: get curious, they're up, they've they've rested up in the 812 00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:24,040 Speaker 1: morning and they're like, hey, I'm gonna start cruising again. 813 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,799 Speaker 1: And you know, tend to. We always we joke about it. 814 00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:29,520 Speaker 1: People get out of their stands and go back to 815 00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,280 Speaker 1: their chuck eat, launch to take a nap whatever, and 816 00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:35,280 Speaker 1: you know, we're in the woods and boom out walks 817 00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:39,040 Speaker 1: the big guy. So I might do some more calling maybe, 818 00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:41,080 Speaker 1: you know, it depends on you know, what's going on 819 00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:42,880 Speaker 1: in what phase of the rut. I'm man, maybe a 820 00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:47,280 Speaker 1: rattle or something, but do another dog leader too, and uh, 821 00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:49,760 Speaker 1: you know, some grunts or maybe it's just some grunts 822 00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:51,960 Speaker 1: type of thing like two three grunts or like act 823 00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:55,200 Speaker 1: like they're tending a dough, that type of thing. And man, 824 00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:59,480 Speaker 1: I've had some really good luck mid day and doing that, 825 00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:03,560 Speaker 1: and I've literally had bucks like run in and it's 826 00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,399 Speaker 1: they'll all of a sudden, they're coming. They're looking trying 827 00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,640 Speaker 1: to figure out where the noise came from. And then 828 00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:11,799 Speaker 1: of course you know it's too late usually and where 829 00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,040 Speaker 1: I set my stands and I guess this kind of 830 00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:16,600 Speaker 1: goes back to the stand location thing. I try to 831 00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:18,120 Speaker 1: set my stand in a spot where I can get 832 00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:19,960 Speaker 1: a shot, but a spot that it's super thick for 833 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:21,879 Speaker 1: the deer, so he'll run in and feel like he's 834 00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:25,160 Speaker 1: hid and you can get you're looking down on him 835 00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,080 Speaker 1: so you can see him and get away with a lot, 836 00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:30,440 Speaker 1: and he'll stand there looking around like maybe out in 837 00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:32,560 Speaker 1: an opening, trying to see that dough, but you're on 838 00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,640 Speaker 1: the edge of the thick cover and then get make 839 00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:38,840 Speaker 1: your move perfect. Now I have to ask a question 840 00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,799 Speaker 1: on when you're grunning, are you trying to be a 841 00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,880 Speaker 1: dominant buck or are you trying to be you know, like, uh, 842 00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,080 Speaker 1: it sounds like a slightly younger buck, Like what's your 843 00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:49,319 Speaker 1: strategy there? Do you want to let that big buck 844 00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,640 Speaker 1: know that maybe a smaller bucks running does or in 845 00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,600 Speaker 1: the area. Uh, can you give us a little input 846 00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,760 Speaker 1: on on what type of buck you're trying to sound like? Yeah, 847 00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:01,960 Speaker 1: for sure. So in this kind a it's two sided. 848 00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,640 Speaker 1: I guess it depends. If it's earlier in the season 849 00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:06,960 Speaker 1: and I'm rattling and whatnot, I try to sound like 850 00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,720 Speaker 1: a big buck, and I just you know, it's like, hey, 851 00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,719 Speaker 1: come get me, you know, like I'm trying to establish 852 00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:16,759 Speaker 1: my dominance and let's let's duke it out um as 853 00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:20,719 Speaker 1: it goes on. And you know, I've done both and 854 00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:23,680 Speaker 1: I've had results with both. But then at other times 855 00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:25,479 Speaker 1: I'm like, man, like that I scared the deer off, 856 00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,160 Speaker 1: Like I'm not sure, maybe they went into a lockdown 857 00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,920 Speaker 1: phase and like disappeared. And here I'm thinking I scared 858 00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:34,239 Speaker 1: him off, but he's really not. Um, he's just on lockdown. 859 00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:38,000 Speaker 1: But I tend to do like a little bit try 860 00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:39,680 Speaker 1: to sound like a little bit of a younger buck 861 00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:43,120 Speaker 1: that's on a dough um that way. You know, it's 862 00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:46,120 Speaker 1: like he thinks that, oh, hey, here's this younger like 863 00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:48,880 Speaker 1: buck that's over here running my does I'm gonna go 864 00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,000 Speaker 1: over there and I'm gonna kill him type of thing, 865 00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:54,200 Speaker 1: and you know we're gonna I'm taking that dough back, 866 00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,480 Speaker 1: and so I've always tried to play that strategy a 867 00:42:57,560 --> 00:42:59,880 Speaker 1: little bit is like, don't sound like the biggest, most 868 00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:03,440 Speaker 1: dominant buck in the area. The thing that that I 869 00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:07,240 Speaker 1: run into. I'm not fortunate enough to hunt these big 870 00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:10,480 Speaker 1: you know, farm fields and these big you know ranches 871 00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,440 Speaker 1: and stuff back in the Midwest where there's literally hundreds 872 00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,680 Speaker 1: of deer on these ranches. We're hunting deer that there's like, 873 00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:20,399 Speaker 1: you know, maybe two three bucks and you know, it's 874 00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:22,960 Speaker 1: like one big buck and two three like smaller you know, 875 00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:26,160 Speaker 1: immature bucks, and then like two or three doughs, and 876 00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:29,320 Speaker 1: like that's it in my whole, like one of my stands, 877 00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:32,359 Speaker 1: like that'll be it. So I don't want to go 878 00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,680 Speaker 1: in there sounding like a big another big dominant buck 879 00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,919 Speaker 1: usually because there might only be one big dominant buck 880 00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:42,160 Speaker 1: there and he knows, like he'll be like, nope, these 881 00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:44,960 Speaker 1: other deer that are here, there's two or three little guys, 882 00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:48,520 Speaker 1: and you know, I know who you are, don't you know, 883 00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,560 Speaker 1: And a big one rolls in and then I just 884 00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:53,960 Speaker 1: I don't know. I feel like sometimes like they get 885 00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,360 Speaker 1: spooked by that because they they're aware that there's not 886 00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:58,160 Speaker 1: tons of deer in the area. Now if I had 887 00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:00,399 Speaker 1: an area where there was ten big bucks, like sure, 888 00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:04,480 Speaker 1: maybe so that I always try to play that younger 889 00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,640 Speaker 1: buck and like, you know, let him know that, hey, 890 00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:09,520 Speaker 1: you know, one of the little guys in here running 891 00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:13,319 Speaker 1: them that that makes a ton of sense and you know, 892 00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:16,799 Speaker 1: a little bit relatable to elk, even though the one 893 00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:19,160 Speaker 1: downside with elk is you just can't, you know, keep 894 00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:20,879 Speaker 1: up with the volume. So we always try to sound 895 00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:22,839 Speaker 1: as absolutely big as we can and still end up 896 00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:25,000 Speaker 1: falling short of a real elk. But that makes a 897 00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:27,520 Speaker 1: ton of sense on you know, especially in an area 898 00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,319 Speaker 1: where the deer kind of have their pecking order figured out, 899 00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:32,400 Speaker 1: they kind of know what's there and what's around. Like 900 00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:34,960 Speaker 1: unless uh, you know, an outside buck just showed up 901 00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,200 Speaker 1: in the area, he's probably starting to question like, hey, 902 00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,319 Speaker 1: I I haven't heard you before, I know you're not 903 00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:41,600 Speaker 1: in the area. Um So, so it makes a ton 904 00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:53,560 Speaker 1: of sense. I really appreciate having you on here, John, 905 00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,239 Speaker 1: um you know, sharing sharing some of your white tail 906 00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:59,480 Speaker 1: tips and tactics and and too close if you had 907 00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:01,839 Speaker 1: one ti to maybe help a new white tail hunter, 908 00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:03,879 Speaker 1: somebody who wants to go try, you know, mountain white 909 00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:07,279 Speaker 1: tail hunting. Um, what would that tip be, oh Man, 910 00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:11,520 Speaker 1: one tip, I would say my my single biggest tip 911 00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:15,120 Speaker 1: that I could give someone is days in the stand, 912 00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:20,800 Speaker 1: Like just spend the time out there, find like literally look, 913 00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:26,279 Speaker 1: find those travel corridors, find scrapes, and just get in 914 00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:29,280 Speaker 1: the stand and sit. It's like it's a waiting game. 915 00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,440 Speaker 1: And I've had too many guys go over and they 916 00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:35,680 Speaker 1: spend two days I didn't see a deer. And there's 917 00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:37,920 Speaker 1: days that I go by and I never see a deer. 918 00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:41,200 Speaker 1: But you just gotta keep sitting there, don't get out 919 00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:44,000 Speaker 1: of your stand, sit all ten hours daylight till dark, 920 00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:47,720 Speaker 1: and just put in the time, like something will happen. 921 00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:50,720 Speaker 1: That's a great tip. Um. You know, time is always 922 00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:52,720 Speaker 1: the number one you no matter what type of hunting, 923 00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:55,000 Speaker 1: you just putting time in the field. You know something 924 00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:57,600 Speaker 1: something's gonna happen, whether it's good or bad. But you know, 925 00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:00,359 Speaker 1: putting yourself out there, you know, punching that I'm clock 926 00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:02,360 Speaker 1: as much as possible as always, you know, one of 927 00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:05,120 Speaker 1: the best tips. So I really appreciate having you on here. John. 928 00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:07,720 Speaker 1: Congrats to you and Kylie on your guys elk season 929 00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:11,319 Speaker 1: and good luck and everything you're moving forward. And I 930 00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:13,560 Speaker 1: think it sounds like we may join up and and 931 00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:15,560 Speaker 1: do my Washington elk hunt here in the next couple 932 00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:18,239 Speaker 1: of weeks together. So looking forward to spending some time 933 00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:21,680 Speaker 1: with you and and appreciate you being on here. Absolutely, 934 00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:23,239 Speaker 1: I appreciate you having me on. I can't wait to 935 00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:25,279 Speaker 1: see you uh put your tag on a giant bowl, 936 00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:28,359 Speaker 1: I hope. So thanks a lot, John, take care, Thanks ma'am. 937 00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:39,040 Speaker 1: M