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Speaker 1: Steve a blimp. We're not even in the spreaded seer

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Speaker 1: of normalcy. Welcome into One Bill's Live, presented by Kalida

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Speaker 1: Health on Buffalo Bill's Radio. Maddi Glab here filling in

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Speaker 1: for Chris Brown with Steve Tasker all day long. Happy

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Speaker 1: Tuesday to you, it's like a Monday to us. We

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Speaker 1: enjoyed a nice long weekend, had Friday and Monday off. Um.

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Speaker 1: couple of guests coming on the show today. Brian Costello

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Speaker 1: New York Post. And Mike Sando at one o'clock he's

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Speaker 1: the athletic Senior NFL Ride. Some things went down in

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Speaker 1: the NFL yesterday a quarterback game. Yeah, Sam Darnold, who

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Speaker 1: used to be in the AFC East is no longer.

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Speaker 1: I was shocked, like you probably were as well. So

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Speaker 1: we'll dive into that. How was your weekend. Though, weekend

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Speaker 1: was so busy. A little family, a little bit of family,

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Speaker 1: and you know, just like fifty people staying in your

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Speaker 1: I'm going to check in at the inn next weekend.

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Speaker 1: There you go, Yeah, come on in. We got room. You'll, you'll,

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Speaker 1: Perfect And we had all all five children were back

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Speaker 1: in your life. Idea. How many people were just in

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Speaker 1: this stuff where that you know, my kids are all,

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Speaker 1: Think about that she survived. You tell me, Yeah, she survived.

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Speaker 1: What will you tell me? What would it be like?

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Speaker 1: So she comes, she she hits it out in the park.

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Speaker 1: She she went through the ring, She hung tough. She

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Speaker 1: So you think about it, the Jets three years ago,

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Speaker 1: And we're hearing this a lot from quarterback evaluators, old gems,

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Speaker 1: where we're chewing up. We chew up every aspect of

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Speaker 1: this team like like a dog with a bone until

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Speaker 1: it's gone. We chew it up and we pull it

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Speaker 1: apart and look at it, and you know, we have,

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Speaker 1: we take input from fans. I mean you can't get

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Speaker 1: enough I mean bills, fans can't get enough of it.

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Speaker 1: So you're right, there is power in that perception. And

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Speaker 1: when you're talking about how patient fans are willing to

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Speaker 1: be patients and fans don't go in the same sentence,

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Speaker 1: that's right in a lot of ways, You're right, a

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Speaker 1: lot of ways. They know what they're looking at. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they want to see their team win, and they want

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Speaker 1: to see it. Now, certainly there's a glimmer of hope.

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Speaker 1: But even if there's more than a glimmer of hope,

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Speaker 1: like Josh Allen three years ago, it's like, Okay, he's

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Speaker 1: got all this, you know, Okay, but you know I

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Speaker 1: want to see you. I want to see him get

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Speaker 1: a little better. Yeah. Well, then the team goes to

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Speaker 1: the playoffs, it's like, well, now, okay, all right, I

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Speaker 1: know at least I can live with that, you know.

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Speaker 1: And then he comes out this last year. Now you know,

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Speaker 1: he's he's everybody's favorite song. Yeah, completely exceeded expectations. I

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Speaker 1: think that's one a few times where you see more

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Speaker 1: than than what you thought you were gonna get it, right,

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Speaker 1: in a positive exactly. So we were sitting here and

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Speaker 1: Josh is like Josh. For a long time, Josh was

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Speaker 1: just over the line of all right, we'll give him

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Speaker 1: a little more time, all right, all right, okay, yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: you know, and then in one season he got to

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Speaker 1: ten and six and he was he was doing some

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Speaker 1: stuff out there. It's like, okay, now, if we can

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Speaker 1: just harm if we can just get rid of the

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Speaker 1: sugar hi like out you know, Kyle Brandon. We give

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Speaker 1: her the sugar high Josh, and we get rid of

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Speaker 1: the guy where he loses his mind every so often.

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Speaker 1: We can just you know, just balance it out a

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Speaker 1: little bit. There was more than a glimmer of hope there, right,

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Speaker 1: we all saw it. And then he comes out this

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Speaker 1: year and there's this juggernaut of the like the ultimate weapon.

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Speaker 1: We're like, oh my, you know, we're all drunk on it.

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Speaker 1: I know. So yeah, so yeah, yeah that but just

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Speaker 1: three years. It took, right, but three year and the

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Speaker 1: jump that he made it yeah, and the jump that

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Speaker 1: he made in year three was incredible, I think. I mean,

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Speaker 1: anyone that we talked to that covered the NFL also

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Speaker 1: for their jobs was like, I can't remember a quarterback

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Speaker 1: who has made this big of a jump from year

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Speaker 1: two to year three. And that's why that year three

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Speaker 1: was so important. And I remember, like talking back the

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Speaker 1: conversations that I've had with Bill's owner and president Kim

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Speaker 1: Pagoula and general manager Brandon Bean, and it was like,

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Speaker 1: let's wait and see what this guy can do in

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Speaker 1: this year before we start talking about a contract extension.

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Speaker 1: And yes, your rookie deal is coming to an end

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Speaker 1: by the time you get to year three and you

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Speaker 1: start looking forward to year four and year five. But

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Speaker 1: still they wanted that proof and they thought they were

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Speaker 1: going to get it in year three, and they completely

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Speaker 1: got it in year three, right, And so that that's

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Speaker 1: this is a part of our whole conversation today. You know,

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Speaker 1: Sam Darnald got three years too, and now he's with

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Speaker 1: the Panthers. Mitchell Turbrisky is someone who is now with

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Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills as a backup quarterback who got four

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Speaker 1: years and didn't seem to pop off. But with that

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Speaker 1: also comes was the system for him? Right? Yeah? I

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Speaker 1: don't think it was for Mitchell t Risky. For Sam Darnald,

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Speaker 1: probably not too. Are you do you have a coach?

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Speaker 1: Do you have an offensive corner that's willing to work

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Speaker 1: the playbook around you. And I think, at least in

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Speaker 1: the Bears and me being from Chicago and paying attention

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Speaker 1: to what they do and listening to my dad and

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Speaker 1: my brother complain and complain and complain, it was Naggie

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Speaker 1: would rather have his his own system than fitted around

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Speaker 1: Mitchell Turrisky because of the offensive guru that he claims

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Speaker 1: to be. Yeah, see, that's that's that's a philosophical problem

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Speaker 1: to me. Um, where you're gonna if that guy's not

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Speaker 1: out there, you're resigned to failure. You're resigned to it.

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Speaker 1: If that guy that you can't run your system is

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Speaker 1: not out there and you can't get your hands on

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Speaker 1: or you can't get your hands on him because you're

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Speaker 1: not in the right draft spot, or he's with another team,

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Speaker 1: they're not trading him. What you're done, Your system is

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Speaker 1: gonna fail. So what now? What are you gonna do?

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Speaker 1: So that's a philosophical problem. When you've got a head

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Speaker 1: coach like a Matt Naggy or whoever, you look around

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Speaker 1: and they got a system they want to run that

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Speaker 1: they need a guy to do it, and they can't

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Speaker 1: find that guy, what are you doing? You gotta evolve

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Speaker 1: your system, right that quarterback? That's right, that's what that's it.

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Speaker 1: That's that's NFL coaching, I think so, Matt. Yeah, Mitch

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Speaker 1: Drubisky is now a Buffalo bill with a winning record

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Speaker 1: as a starter for the Chicago Bears. So I get it.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not saying Mitch Drubisky is gonna come in

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Speaker 1: you know, he's gonna go on to be a Hall

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Speaker 1: of Fame guy. He's gonna win Super Bowl yea, after

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Speaker 1: he leaves Buffalo after this one year deal. I'm not

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Speaker 1: gonna say any of that. But that's a pretty tough

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Speaker 1: gig to go in there and win more games than

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Speaker 1: you lose and then have him kick you to the curb. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: an interesting conversation. We're going to continue and make sure

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Speaker 1: you tweet at us or call our phone lines at

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Speaker 1: eight oh three five fifty. We'd love to have you

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Speaker 1: a part of the conversation. Or if you can think

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Speaker 1: of another quarterback who we didn't bring into this conversation already,

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Speaker 1: we'll look into his first three years and see if

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Speaker 1: he had any changes or anything like that. But we're

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Speaker 1: gonna take a break when we come back. We have

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Speaker 1: got one of our guests on, Brian Costello. He's the

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Speaker 1: Jets beat reporter for the New York Post. Just kicking

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Speaker 1: everything in to drive. It's twelve thirty here on One

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Speaker 1: Bills Live, presented by Kalidah Health on Buffalo Bills Radio.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back into One Bills Live, and we started off

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Speaker 1: the first half hour of the show by talking all

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Speaker 1: things Sam Darnold and quarterbacks and the New York Jets.

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Speaker 1: And we're going to continue that conversation because it is

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Speaker 1: the talk of the NFL right now. And to help

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Speaker 1: us with that conversation, I'd like to welcome in Brian Costello.

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Speaker 1: He's the Jets beat reporter for the New York Posts,

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Speaker 1: a w FA n jest reporter as well. Brian, thank

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Speaker 1: you for coming on and talking with us. You know

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Speaker 1: this team definitely more than we do, of course, the

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Speaker 1: last couple of seasons that they've had and how we've

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Speaker 1: seen Sam Darnold not probably have the first three years

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Speaker 1: that that coaching staff expected him to have. Of course,

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Speaker 1: he had some changes in the coaching staff from year

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Speaker 1: one and then year two, year three, and now he's

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Speaker 1: headed to the Carolina Panthers for three draft picks, which

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Speaker 1: I just think is incredible. When you saw this news

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Speaker 1: come out, what were some of those first reactions as

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Speaker 1: to seeing that Sam Darnold is no longer going to

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Speaker 1: be the quarterback of the New York Jets. Well, it's

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Speaker 1: kind of news have been waiting for, you know, to

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Speaker 1: be honest with you, I felt like it's been trending

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Speaker 1: this way for a while. It's become clear that the

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Speaker 1: Jets lay like Zach Wilson had a BYU. They you know,

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Speaker 1: they send Joe Douglas, Robert Sala, the head coach, an

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Speaker 1: offensive warrior, Michael Floor out the probo a couple weeks ago.

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Speaker 1: You know, when you send the head coach, the GM

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Speaker 1: and the offensive coordinator to a prode, that means you're

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Speaker 1: serious about a guy. And you know, all signs were

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Speaker 1: kind of pointing to this, so I was just kind

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Speaker 1: of been waiting for it. I thought the return was fair.

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Speaker 1: I thought that's about what they could get because they're

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Speaker 1: just there's just not a lot of teams out there

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Speaker 1: that are looking for a quarterback right now, and Sam

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Speaker 1: has a lot of question marks around him, so I

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Speaker 1: thought they needed to find someone like a Carolina whom.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's just outside of that top five where

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Speaker 1: they can't draft a quarter back. And obviously UM is

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Speaker 1: looking looking to bring to bring in some of the

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Speaker 1: challenge Jetty Bridgewater or place Dati Bridgewater. And so the

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Speaker 1: Jets purportedly taking Zach Wilson out a by you two guys,

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Speaker 1: Sam Darnold, Zach Wilson almost the same age, Sam Darnald,

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Speaker 1: with three years of experience. What soured the Jets on

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Speaker 1: Darnald and sold them on Zach Wilson. Yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: the comparison. You know, obviously they like Zach Wilson and

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Speaker 1: what they've seen from him, but I think with Sam

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Speaker 1: it's just been there've been glimpses of good play. You

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Speaker 1: guys saw one and up in his rookie year up

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Speaker 1: in Buffalo where he led the Jets back in a

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Speaker 1: comeback win. That's one of his signature games. There really

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Speaker 1: aren't many games you point to where he had signature games.

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Speaker 1: That's one of them. U. But I think they just

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Speaker 1: saw him struggling. You know, he's been struggling the process,

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Speaker 1: read the field. He basically still committing a lot of turnovers.

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Speaker 1: I think he get forty six turnovers in three years,

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Speaker 1: it's been a lot. And then you factor in the contract,

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Speaker 1: and I think this is an element you can't It's

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Speaker 1: why it's not apples to apples. Comparing him to Zach

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Speaker 1: Wilson is not just a straight football comparison. With Zach Wilson,

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Speaker 1: they're restarting the rookie quarterback clock with Sam Darld. He

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Speaker 1: had one year left on his contract, plus the fifth

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Speaker 1: year option, which has to be picked up by May third.

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Speaker 1: All in all, in the cases where they were not

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Speaker 1: going to pick up that fifth year option, why would they?

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Speaker 1: After Sam has been so inconsistent, So now you're going

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Speaker 1: into you know, a contract year with Sam. The Jets

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Speaker 1: are still far from being a good team. They still

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Speaker 1: have a lot of pieces. So if they went you know,

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Speaker 1: and this is a weird record to say, I'm still

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Speaker 1: getting used to seventeen games. But let's say they went

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Speaker 1: seven and ten this year, right, and Sam had a

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Speaker 1: mediocre season to you know, decent like eighteen touchdowns and

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Speaker 1: seven seven interceptions, What do you do next year? Then

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Speaker 1: you sign them to an extension, you know, then do

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Speaker 1: you move on? And if you move on next year

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Speaker 1: and that record level, what I just said, you're not

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Speaker 1: gonna have the number two picked down, so you're not

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Speaker 1: getting your your choice of the top quarterbacks. And we

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Speaker 1: see how it is. It's seems like every year these

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks rock it up the board as a draft comes,

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Speaker 1: and this year we might have four go in the

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Speaker 1: you know, the contract played a big role in this,

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Speaker 1: and that's why it's not quite fair to just say, oh,

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Speaker 1: they think Zach Wilson is better than Sam Donald. I

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Speaker 1: think they just had more potential. What was there any

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Speaker 1: thought too? I mean, look, we all agree you got

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Speaker 1: to find that guy, but to have Sam Darnold on

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Speaker 1: this team already and then have Zach Wilson come in,

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Speaker 1: at least you could pick between them instead of making

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Speaker 1: the decision before you've actually got Zach Wilson in the building,

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Speaker 1: and you don't have to. You know you're getting a second,

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Speaker 1: a fourth, and a sixth. I mean, why hurry that

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Speaker 1: decision and not give Zach Wilson even if he doesn't

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Speaker 1: isn't the day one starter. Give him a chance to

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Speaker 1: acclimate before you actually throw him in. Why not wait

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Speaker 1: to make the decision those three draft picks aren't going

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Speaker 1: to make or break it for the Jets. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: think they did think about it. They did think about

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Speaker 1: keeping Sam Darnald and have it, and I think maybe

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Speaker 1: if they were weren't able to get I think the

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Speaker 1: second round pick was the key getting that second round

640
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Speaker 1: pick next year. If they weren't able to get that,

641
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 1: maybe they would have done it. I do think there

642
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 1: was some fear though, just you know, a quarterback controversy

643
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 1: and um, you know the Jets. The Jets have changed

644
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 1: regimes about three times since this happened, so there aren't

645
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 1: many people left from this, but there are some people

646
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 1: that remember Mark Sanchez was still on the team when

647
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 1: Gino Smith got here, and that was an uncomfortable summer

648
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 1: where it was clear the team wanted Gino Smith to

649
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 1: win the job and Sanchez was still round. Sanchez was

650
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 1: getting booed at practices, you know, became a distraction for

651
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 1: the team being asked about it. Sanchez end up, Rex

652
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 1: Ryan put him in the fourth quarter of a preseason game,

653
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 1: which was weird, and he heard his shoulder, so that

654
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 1: solved the problem. But I think the Jets were worried

655
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:45,839
Speaker 1: that this could, you know, be a distraction for the

656
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 1: team if Sam was here, and you know, let's be honest,

657
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 1: they're taking a guy number two. They're taking him to play, right,

658
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 1: They're not They're not going to sit him. I mean,

659
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 1: I have a feeling they're going to sign some veteran um.

660
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,439
Speaker 1: You know, maybe maybe might be Teddy Bridgewater, Carolina cotts

661
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 1: him come in here and have a competition in the summer.

662
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 1: But I'll predict right now that Zach Wilson is going

663
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 1: to be the Week one starter. I just don't think

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Speaker 1: teams take guys to sit anymore. This isn't Patrick Mahomes

665
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 1: with Alice Smith. The Chiefs were a good team that

666
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 1: traded up to get Patrick Mahomes. They had a good

667
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 1: team that could win that year. The Jets aren't bat

668
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 1: The Jets are rebuilding. They need Zach Wilson to play

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00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: as much as he can play and figure things out.

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00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,359
Speaker 1: So I think that's why they decided to move on.

671
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 1: There's this conversation about quarterbacks in their third year in

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Speaker 1: the NFL and if you can tell if a quarterback

673
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: is going to be the right fit in that third season.

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Speaker 1: And for the Bills, we found out that Josh Allen

675
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 1: is our guy, but he had consistency in those three years.

676
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 1: He had the same head coach and he had the

677
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 1: same offensive coordinator. Sam Darnold is not the Jets guy,

678
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 1: but in his first three seasons, I mean, he had

679
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:56,399
Speaker 1: Todd Bowles as a head coach in his first year

680
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 1: and Jeremy Bates as his offensive coordinator, and then in

681
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, in twenty twenty he has Adam Gasee. So

682
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 1: he had a little bit of shift in those first

683
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 1: three years. And I think everybody agrees that those first

684
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 1: three seasons are important in the consistency and learning a

685
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 1: system and the playbook and everything that goes along with

686
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:20,320
Speaker 1: being a quarterback and trying to flourish in the NFL.

687
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 1: Do you think it was more on Sam Darnel that

688
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: he couldn't figure it out in those first three seasons,

689
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 1: or do you think it was more on the organization

690
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 1: and the coaching staff and the changes that happened, But

691
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:34,240
Speaker 1: also the fact that he didn't have all those weapons

692
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,280
Speaker 1: placed around him in those three seasons that the Bills

693
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 1: eventually built up to have in last season. Yeah, I

694
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 1: think it's a combination of everything you just mentioned, and

695
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 1: I think you look at the Bills, the Bills are

696
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 1: the perfect example of how to build around a quarterback. Right.

697
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,360
Speaker 1: They have done a great job not just weapons, but

698
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,839
Speaker 1: offensive line, having a solid defense, because we saw here

699
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,839
Speaker 1: with Mark Sanchez years ago, the Jets had a very

700
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 1: good offensive line, a very good defense. They had Thomas

701
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 1: Jones running the ball. They went out and got Braylon

702
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 1: Edwards and Santonio Holmes for him to throw too, and

703
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: that helps Sanchez. Right. They won four playoff games with Sanchez.

704
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 1: Donald didn't have that. And you know, if I asked you, guys,

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00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,360
Speaker 1: name the best wide receiver that Sam Donald played with,

706
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 1: you probably have to think about it for a little while,

707
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 1: and I'd say I'd say probably Jamison Crowder is the

708
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:22,839
Speaker 1: answer to that question. But Jamison Crowder is a nice

709
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 1: number three wide receiver. That's what he is. You know,

710
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:28,760
Speaker 1: the bill we saw with the Bills when getting Stefan Diggs,

711
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:30,800
Speaker 1: what that did for Josh Allen and his development in

712
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 1: year three, there's no question that that helped it. And

713
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:35,439
Speaker 1: you guys know that better than I do. You saw

714
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 1: more of him than I did. But when I watched,

715
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 1: it was like, holy cow, this guy now has a

716
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 1: true number one wide receiver out there, making plays. Sam

717
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 1: never really had that, so that's a big factor. But

718
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 1: I don't think Sam can be totally excused here. You know,

719
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 1: he struggles to read defenses, he struggles the process. He

720
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 1: really makes some terrible turnovers that he hasn't been able

721
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 1: to shake. So he bears some blame here. But I

722
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 1: do think the organization failed him in terms of building

723
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 1: around him. And obviously they, you know, the coaches did

724
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 1: not get the best out of him. All right, So

725
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 1: the so the Jets you're gonna take, you know, let's

726
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:11,840
Speaker 1: just say the Zach Wilson at number two. What do

727
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:13,760
Speaker 1: they do the rest of the draft? What are their needs?

728
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 1: Do you have a do you have a sheet in

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00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 1: front of you? Skied with every musician, Because the Jets

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00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 1: right now they have a left tackle McKay beck. Then

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00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 1: they like, they have a defensive tackle, and Quinnon Williams

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00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: that they like, they have a safety and Marcus may

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00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 1: who they franchise tag uh. You know. Other than that,

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00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 1: they can use something in every position. Even the guys

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00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 1: that they signed. They signed, you know, Corey Davis a

736
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 1: wide receiver, they can still use another wide receiver. They

737
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 1: signed Carl Lawson as an edge rusher. They can use

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Speaker 1: another one there. To me, the highest priorities cornerback because

739
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 1: right now the cornerbacks are blessed Austin and Bryce Hall,

740
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 1: and that's not what you want to go into this

741
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 1: season with the starting cornerbacks. You know, I think ideally

742
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 1: they would have been better off getting a veteran. There

743
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 1: wasn't a lot out there in the veteran market that

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00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 1: appealed to them. So they're gonna I think they're gonna

745
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: draft one high. I also think they need some guards.

746
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 1: I think running back is a high priority right now.

747
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 1: You know, they don't have anything at running back other

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00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,800
Speaker 1: than Michael p Ryan, who they drafted last year, who

749
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 1: you know, played okay last year, but he's not He's

750
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,800
Speaker 1: not the guy that you want there. So you know,

751
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 1: Joe Douglas can go in a lot of different directions.

752
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 1: I think they have now they have ten draft picks.

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00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:23,799
Speaker 1: I just had to do the math after yesterday. They

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00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:25,879
Speaker 1: have ten draft picks this year, they have eleven draft

755
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 1: picks next year. They've got two first rounders in each

756
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 1: of the next two years, two second rounders now next year.

757
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 1: So he's got the ammunition. Now he's got to go

758
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,800
Speaker 1: find the players and he's got drafted. But really, Steve,

759
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:40,320
Speaker 1: he can go in a number of different directions in

760
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 1: terms of need. So with as much as the Jets

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00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,799
Speaker 1: need over the next couple of seasons that they can

762
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,840
Speaker 1: find in free agency, in the NFL draft, and with

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00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 1: the high picks that they'll be able to have the

764
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,879
Speaker 1: next couple of years, how much of a leash does

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00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 1: Robert Sala get into formulating this roster as as to

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Speaker 1: a roster that's gonna win in playoff games and contend

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00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 1: for the AFC East title. I think it's a very

768
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 1: big leash for Robert Sala, you know. I think the

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00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 1: pressure right now is on Joe Douglas the GM more

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00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 1: than Salah. A few factors, will, you know. I think

771
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:16,320
Speaker 1: Jets fans are realizing what their roster looks like. I

772
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 1: think they were in denile the last few years and

773
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:20,359
Speaker 1: how bad their roster is. I think they get it now.

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Speaker 1: M Sala is also not Adam Gaze, and Adam Gates

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00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 1: was extremely unpopular with this fan base. I think they

776
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,439
Speaker 1: see Salah as the anti gays. They like him, they

777
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:33,880
Speaker 1: think he's gonna be popular players, So I think he

778
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 1: has a long leash here to get things turned around

779
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:38,760
Speaker 1: to me. You know, all those draft picks we talk about,

780
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 1: I think, you know, they need to show some progress

781
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,359
Speaker 1: this year, but progress from two and fourteen is not much.

782
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:46,359
Speaker 1: And then I think in twenty twenty two you start

783
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 1: asking them, can they can they contend for a wild card?

784
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 1: Can they can they keep up with the Dolphins and

785
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 1: the Bills and the Patriots in the division? Um so

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00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 1: a Sala got a five year contract, so he's not

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00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 1: going anywhere for a while. Brian. Thanks, it's great talking

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00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 1: to you. Appreciate your perspective on the Jets, and we'll

789
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 1: wait to see what they do with the rest of

790
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 1: these draft picks that they just traded for more of

791
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 1: So thank you. Thanks for the time, Brian. That was

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Speaker 1: Brian Costello the Jets, be a reporter for the New

793
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:17,760
Speaker 1: York Post, and it's an interesting conversation to have about, Okay,

794
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:20,320
Speaker 1: they have these picks, first round picks, second round picks.

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00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:22,959
Speaker 1: He's got a long leash. You look down a couple

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00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 1: of years and the picks that's that a team like

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00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:28,880
Speaker 1: the Jets and the Dolphins have and I'm thinking they

798
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 1: better not hit on these because I want the Bills

799
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 1: to be good for a while. It's easy to sit here.

800
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 1: Here's my problem with what's going on with the Jets

801
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 1: right now. No question, I like the Sam Donald tre

802
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:43,360
Speaker 1: okay now vacuum. Fine. If Zach Wilson turns out to

803
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 1: be the guy, great, But I really have a hard

804
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 1: time seeing Zach Wilson coming in and knocking it out

805
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 1: of the partect justin Urban did last year with this roster.

806
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 1: So there's one year gone and you only get like

807
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 1: a you know, one or two other picks in this draft,

808
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 1: or maybe three picks on this draft that contribute in

809
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 1: this year one and they you know, so they come

810
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 1: back next year, they got those picks back, and so

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00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 1: then next year happens. Zach Wilson's in his second year

812
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 1: of the system. Get grant if it is indeed the

813
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,800
Speaker 1: same offensive coordinator, he's got better weapons and stuff. And

814
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 1: you see a little bit of Now in the third year,

815
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 1: it gets talking three years away. Salo's got two years

816
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 1: left on his deal. They haven't done, you know, they

817
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 1: haven't made the playoffs. They you know, the patience is

818
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 1: gone in New York. They're done. Third year, man, you

819
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 1: better do it now or you are done. I mean,

820
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 1: you can just see it happening. You know, this whole

821
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 1: conversation you and I have had about the patience, and

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00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 1: they're saying, well, they got these draft he's got the

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00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 1: ammunition to do it. Well, he doesn't get to shoot

824
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:49,399
Speaker 1: those bullets for two years. Yeah, are you gonna wait

825
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 1: two years for him to see if he hits on

826
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 1: those draft picks? That does not ring true to me

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Speaker 1: about the New York atmosphere. You are one hundred percent

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00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:02,359
Speaker 1: right on that. I mean, they're just not gonna wait

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00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:05,359
Speaker 1: on him to shoot those bullets right, to take those

830
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 1: shots in the draft, to get those guys after this year,

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00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, you know, they weren't even you know,

832
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 1: they weren't closed. Zach Wilson's got some work to do.

833
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 1: What are we gonna do? You gotta now, you gotta

834
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 1: protect if they don't make this, and protect Zach Wilson

835
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 1: if even if it doesn't work out this year, to

836
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:26,399
Speaker 1: start to add stuff around him and to make sure

837
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 1: the kid give it a kid every chance to be

838
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 1: that guy. You're you know, if they got to do

839
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:38,359
Speaker 1: that right, and I just have about it. I used

840
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:40,879
Speaker 1: to have seen the patients to do it. You're talking

841
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 1: about three years down the road before you get any

842
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 1: return on all this stuff you're getting for Sam Darnold.

843
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 1: Too much time, too much time, this guy, they'll never

844
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 1: see the end of it. Yeah. Well, one thing we

845
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 1: don't have is time. So we're gonna take a break

846
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Speaker 1: and when we come back we will continue all this

847
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Speaker 1: quarterback conversation talk. Thanks for listening in and tuning in.

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Speaker 1: Health on Buffalo Bills Radio both mec into one Bills Live.

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Speaker 1: We just had Brian Costello on from the New York Post.

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Speaker 1: He covers the Jets. He kind of laid the foundation

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00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 1: for us and helped us paint the picture of what's

853
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:29,760
Speaker 1: going on in New York, what's going on without without

854
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 1: Josh Allen Hunt, not Josh Allen without Sam Darnold, and

855
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 1: what they might do in the NFL Draft with an

856
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 1: early pick. We're gonna go to the tweet sheet though,

857
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 1: and see what people have to say. The tweet sheet

858
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 1: is brought to you by Corgan Moving Systems, the official

859
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:48,840
Speaker 1: equipment moving company of the Buffalo Bills. And let's go

860
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 1: with Nick t first. He says the only wrong way

861
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:56,359
Speaker 1: to evaluate young quarterbacks is to pass judgment on them

862
00:45:56,440 --> 00:46:00,040
Speaker 1: too quickly. Josh is a good example. Initially everyone and

863
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 1: said he would need time to develop. Yet after year one,

864
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 1: they all forgot they said that and suddenly labeled him

865
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 1: a bust. Now they're shocked by his breakout. I think

866
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 1: Nick Tea's pretty pretty spot on there with I think

867
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 1: we all understand that a quarterback needs time to develop,

868
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 1: especially going from the college system to the NFL, depending

869
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 1: on where they play, and then if they don't have

870
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:29,840
Speaker 1: a great year one, it's like everybody completely forgets what

871
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 1: they said and are like, his terrible move on. He's

872
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 1: not the guy. And I had front row seats to

873
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 1: the cottage industry that is Josh Allen love hate conversation.

874
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 1: When we sit here all day and we get our

875
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 1: timelines are full of it on social media and Twitter

876
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 1: and all of that. For two years. It was a

877
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 1: conversation that was heated on both sides. He stinks he's great,

878
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 1: You're wasting your time. All he needs is more weapons.

879
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:07,360
Speaker 1: The whole thing, right, the conversation, it was passionate on

880
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 1: both He was the most polarizing quarterback in the league

881
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 1: for that. For that Josh was, and now it was

882
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 1: a really tough year for Josh. Haters, really tough year

883
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 1: for They can say, don't believe it whatever, they just

884
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 1: think he stanks. Then he wins a couple of playoff games,

885
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:32,800
Speaker 1: you know, and that conversation has kind of gone away.

886
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 1: But it was a battle for Bill's fans. It was

887
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 1: a battle for the team too, right, Yeah, I mean

888
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 1: Sean McDermott and Brandon Bean having to stand up for

889
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 1: him and believing in him, and again and again in

890
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 1: press conferences when he's when they questioned him and his

891
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:52,880
Speaker 1: ability and a bad game that he had in the

892
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 1: decisions that he made, and they have to stand up

893
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 1: there and say own up to something. Yes, but also,

894
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 1: you know, preach for him and say that that's our

895
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:03,720
Speaker 1: guy and we're gonna stand by him and we believe

896
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 1: in him, and he's gonna be on this team. But

897
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 1: we've got to take a break already because um, we

898
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 1: talk too much, so we're gonna take a quick break.

899
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 1: But when we come back, we've got Mike Sando, the

900
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 1: Athletics senior NFL writer, who will be on with us.

901
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:37,279
Speaker 1: So don't go anywhere, guys, see you soon. At a

902
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:41,400
Speaker 1: Steve Taster, who has been all over the field. Unique

903
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 1: he was kind of a dual role player for Steve,

904
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:49,959
Speaker 1: Steve a blimp. We're not even in the spreaded fear

905
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 1: of normalcy. We are back here on one Bills Live.

906
00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 1: It is Tuesday afternoon in the one o'clock hour, still

907
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 1: kicking here, a couple more hours to go, and we've

908
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:08,840
Speaker 1: probably said the name Sam Darnold at least fifty times

909
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 1: by now. Maybe you can do a count or for

910
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 1: us whoever has been listening from the get go, But

911
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 1: that's been the topic of the day in quarterbacks in general.

912
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:21,400
Speaker 1: Year three? Is that your year that you show if

913
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 1: you're gonna be a bust or not? Does it have

914
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 1: to do more with the system around you? The coaching staff,

915
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:32,360
Speaker 1: is it on you? Is it the weapons around you?

916
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:35,919
Speaker 1: That's a part of our Twitter conversation or Twitter topic today,

917
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,320
Speaker 1: So make sure you guys are responding on that or

918
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 1: giving us a call at eight oh three oh five

919
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 1: fifty and to join us into this conversation and everything

920
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 1: else going on in the NFL right now is Mike Sando.

921
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 1: He's the athletic senior NFL writer, the host of the

922
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 1: Football GM podcast, and a Pro Football Hall of Fame selector. Mike,

923
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:57,319
Speaker 1: thank you so much for being on with us today

924
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:00,320
Speaker 1: on this Tuesday, as we are now just weeks away

925
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:04,400
Speaker 1: from the NFL Draft and things keep happening with teams

926
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 1: to set the stage where for what picks one through

927
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:11,360
Speaker 1: four possibly could look like, and to bring it in

928
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:15,399
Speaker 1: right away to this Jets trade. Sam Darnold is now

929
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:20,760
Speaker 1: a Carolina Panther. The Jets supposedly will take Zach Wilson

930
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:23,879
Speaker 1: with that pick in the first round, that number two

931
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 1: pick there. What do you think about the trade and

932
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 1: the situation going on in the Jets organization with Robert

933
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:34,880
Speaker 1: Sala and this new regime coming in and kind of

934
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 1: saying goodbye to some of these old players who are

935
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 1: part of it under Adam Gaze. I love the quarterback

936
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 1: trades because we always wonder that, right, We know that

937
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 1: the organization matters a great deal in the success of

938
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 1: any player, but especially a quarterback, right, and we know

939
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:53,479
Speaker 1: that by what's around them, the coaching, they can look

940
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 1: glass half full or empty. So I love the fact

941
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 1: that we get to see carsonal Wentz changed to a

942
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 1: different team, right because they're same debate there, Matt Stafford's

943
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 1: been in Detroit put up good numbers, but he has

944
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 1: never won. Right, so now we get to see, Okay,

945
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 1: wasn't Detroit we put him in a different situation. I

946
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 1: think Darnald the trade's great for him. I mean they

947
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 1: they have failed him organizationally without question. I mean there's

948
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:19,319
Speaker 1: one team in the league that's had zero offensive Pro

949
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:21,879
Speaker 1: bowlers the last five years. It's the Jets. And every

950
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 1: time they get a good player, what it's Robbie Anderson,

951
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 1: whether it's Leonard Williams, whatri's Jamal Adams, I get rid

952
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 1: of them and then everyone's like, well, how great job

953
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 1: you maximize the value. What are you talking about? These

954
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:33,400
Speaker 1: are the most talented players on your team. So let

955
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:35,320
Speaker 1: him go somewhere else. Let's see what he can do.

956
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 1: I think it's appealing for Carolina. I totally see what

957
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 1: the Jets are doing to move on from it, and

958
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:42,920
Speaker 1: I want to watch Carolina now and see if Darnald

959
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 1: can be better. Who's gonna play better this coming year

960
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:50,879
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one, Zach Wilson or Sam Darnold. Oh wow,

961
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:54,880
Speaker 1: that's a great question. I'm a leaning towards Darnald. You know,

962
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 1: we'll just see what the rookie can do. In his

963
00:51:57,080 --> 00:52:00,200
Speaker 1: first year, we haven't even seen him at all. You know,

964
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 1: it's much more of an unknown. I feel like Darnold

965
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:06,320
Speaker 1: has talent and we'll have good weapons around him, and

966
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:09,720
Speaker 1: you know, maybe there's a little bit more to work with. Initially,

967
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 1: do you think it was a fair trade? Do you

968
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:18,320
Speaker 1: think the Panthers got Sam Darnold for a bargain basically

969
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 1: with it being a twenty twenty one sixth round, a

970
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,239
Speaker 1: second round in twenty twenty two, in a fourth round

971
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two. I thought that he would get

972
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:30,239
Speaker 1: maybe a little bit more, But we just had Brian

973
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:32,320
Speaker 1: Costello on and he said no, I thought it was

974
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 1: fair because Sam hasn't really proved anything yet. The upside

975
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 1: is there, but there's also times in the last three

976
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 1: seasons where a lot of the losses you could have

977
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:47,239
Speaker 1: pointed to Sam and the decisions that he made. Yeah,

978
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 1: I was not sure the Jets were going to get

979
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 1: that much. And I think the complicating issue was that

980
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:54,799
Speaker 1: if you're going to trade for him and give up

981
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 1: anything on May third, you have to exercise the fifth

982
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 1: year option, which is different now than it's been in

983
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 1: the past. That means that his salary for the twenty

984
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 1: twenty two season goes to nineteen million dollars and is

985
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 1: fully guaranteed, not just for injury. I mean, that's just

986
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:11,400
Speaker 1: he gets that money. So somebody had to like him

987
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:13,800
Speaker 1: enough to say, we're not We're not giving him nineteen

988
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:15,839
Speaker 1: million this year. We gotta give him nineteen in two years.

989
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 1: We have to make a two year commitment to this

990
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:20,399
Speaker 1: player at a fairly high level. I didn't know someone

991
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 1: would do that, but Carolina did. I think Darnold's twenty

992
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:27,359
Speaker 1: three years old. You know, his college evaluation is still

993
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 1: what people are looking at more than the pro when

994
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 1: you look at how bad it's been in the Jets.

995
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 1: They couldn't always say this about the Jets. If they

996
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:36,759
Speaker 1: were going to ruin Sam Darnold, if that was their plan,

997
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:39,359
Speaker 1: what would they have done differently? Can you name something

998
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:41,319
Speaker 1: they would have done differently than what they did? All? Right?

999
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:45,880
Speaker 1: That wow, jetsy thing to say and to think about that.

1000
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 1: You're right, and it's there's a lot in that along

1001
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:53,360
Speaker 1: with whatever else the Jets pull, and we were we

1002
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 1: just had the conversation about, yeah, they get all these

1003
00:53:57,680 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 1: draft picks, is anybody going to be patient enough to

1004
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 1: watch Zach Wilson develop in New York while they wait

1005
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:05,759
Speaker 1: for these draft picks they got next year and the

1006
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 1: year after to come to fruition and be able to

1007
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:10,279
Speaker 1: contribute to his success. Are they going to be able

1008
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:14,439
Speaker 1: to Are they gonna choo Zach Wilson up and spit

1009
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:18,239
Speaker 1: him out the way they did Sam Darnold with a

1010
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:22,799
Speaker 1: roster that is identical. They may they can't do worse

1011
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:24,879
Speaker 1: than they've done. I mean, I think they can still

1012
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 1: be optimism there that you can draft a young team

1013
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 1: around him. But I'm with you. I mean, when they

1014
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:31,319
Speaker 1: traded Jamal Adams, you could make a case for why

1015
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:33,879
Speaker 1: they did it. But they're gonna get two first round

1016
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 1: picks from Seattle. They're gonna be twenty third or twenty

1017
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 1: fifth or twenty eighth. They're not going to get somebody

1018
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:41,919
Speaker 1: who impacts the game like he did. It's really, really

1019
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 1: hard to replace good players, really good players, the really

1020
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:48,759
Speaker 1: talented guys. Leonard Williams. Is Joe Douglas gonna draft for

1021
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:51,719
Speaker 1: defensive lineman better than Leonard Williams If he's there ten years,

1022
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:55,400
Speaker 1: he might not, right, So I think that's put them

1023
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 1: in a hole, But you can get out of it.

1024
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:58,719
Speaker 1: The draft can help them and maybe they'll be in

1025
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:01,440
Speaker 1: a position to, you know, acquire a veteran player. We

1026
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 1: saw what we saw a Buffalo was able to do

1027
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 1: when they got digs right. That really helped Josh Allen.

1028
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:09,840
Speaker 1: So maybe in a year or two they're in a

1029
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:12,880
Speaker 1: position where they have built it slowly in the right

1030
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:15,719
Speaker 1: way and you add a piece that helps get him

1031
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:19,360
Speaker 1: over the top. Did the dealing of Sam Darnald and

1032
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:22,959
Speaker 1: how he went to the Panthers did that reveal any

1033
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:26,320
Speaker 1: truth about Deshaun Watson and what could happen with his

1034
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 1: future as to if he's going to be on the

1035
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 1: Texans or if he will go elsewhere. Well, I think

1036
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 1: Carolina we all saw as a place that seemed interested

1037
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 1: in and I don't think that's happening now right. I mean,

1038
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 1: I think we're going to see Darneld there for the

1039
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:44,400
Speaker 1: next couple of years and see how that goes. I

1040
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:46,840
Speaker 1: think the watching things all on hold. How could you

1041
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 1: acquire him at a high cost without really knowing what

1042
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:55,880
Speaker 1: the resolution to these cases are? Is he being framed?

1043
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 1: Is he as bad as the cases are alleging. Is

1044
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:02,279
Speaker 1: it we're in between? What's the league's role going to

1045
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:04,480
Speaker 1: be is they're going to be a suspension. And by

1046
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:07,320
Speaker 1: the way, Houston hasn't filled the calls. They've said that

1047
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:09,680
Speaker 1: all along. They're not doing anything, so which I don't

1048
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 1: blame him. I mean, he's twenty four years old and

1049
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 1: if he's going to be cleared from this stuff, you

1050
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:17,719
Speaker 1: want him as your quarterback. And he's not going to retire, right,

1051
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:20,080
Speaker 1: I mean, you can wait for him. So I don't

1052
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 1: really see a great way for him to land somewhere else.

1053
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:24,360
Speaker 1: Look at the teams that are the new quarterbacks, A

1054
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 1: lot of them are moving and you see, we talked

1055
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:29,759
Speaker 1: about how this offseason was going to be different with

1056
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 1: a restricted cap. We've seen a lot of player movement,

1057
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:34,960
Speaker 1: even at the quarterback with trades and draft picks. There's

1058
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:37,480
Speaker 1: been a lot of activity this free agent season with

1059
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:40,239
Speaker 1: the cap constricting. What do you think the long term

1060
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:45,759
Speaker 1: effect of this pandemic financial crisis that we thought we

1061
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:49,279
Speaker 1: were going to be in. But to me, as an

1062
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:52,439
Speaker 1: old player, it kind of harkens back to the days

1063
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:54,880
Speaker 1: when it doesn't matter what the CAP's going to be.

1064
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:56,680
Speaker 1: The players are going to sign for what the clubs

1065
00:56:56,719 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 1: are offering. They don't have any other choice. Is this

1066
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:02,719
Speaker 1: for the fans, I don't think they're gonna miss a

1067
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 1: beat when they see these teams take the field, although

1068
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 1: the free agency may cause more movement than normal. Yeah,

1069
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:10,920
Speaker 1: I'm with you on that. I mean, I think it

1070
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:14,360
Speaker 1: was a tough year for players because you know, whenever

1071
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 1: the cap goes down, it's like an excuse for the

1072
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:21,720
Speaker 1: owners to adjust their cap right to make decisions for

1073
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:25,920
Speaker 1: salary cap reasons, which really people keep usually keep the

1074
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:27,920
Speaker 1: guys they really have to have, even if you have

1075
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:30,400
Speaker 1: a cap issue. So I think we saw some of that,

1076
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:32,920
Speaker 1: you know, with guys maybe being released or moved on

1077
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:35,680
Speaker 1: from It was sort of an opportune time for people

1078
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:37,440
Speaker 1: to do it, and you could say, oh, it was

1079
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 1: the cap, but it was only partly the cap. It

1080
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:41,960
Speaker 1: let the team sort of do what they were going

1081
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 1: to do anyway. And I think the good thing for

1082
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:46,920
Speaker 1: players is that, you know, the revenues are going to

1083
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 1: keep going up. The media deal was great. They're going

1084
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 1: to hate the seventeenth game, but they're going to get

1085
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:52,480
Speaker 1: more money for it, and when the cap goes up,

1086
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 1: it is going to correct. In a couple of years,

1087
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:56,919
Speaker 1: the salaries are gonna go way up. So I would

1088
00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 1: want to be one of those guys who if I

1089
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 1: was a free agent this year, if I was twenty

1090
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:04,520
Speaker 1: six on the young side, and could get a one

1091
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:07,400
Speaker 1: or two year deal and go produce at a high

1092
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 1: level and then just really cash in, I think there'll

1093
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:12,880
Speaker 1: be an opportunity. Speaking of the cap and how it's

1094
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:15,920
Speaker 1: lower this year, we saw what Brandon Bean had to

1095
00:58:16,040 --> 00:58:19,360
Speaker 1: do to get some of the guys to stay on

1096
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:22,520
Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills, and honestly, what some of those players

1097
00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:26,040
Speaker 1: had to do in to give up Matt Milano, John Feliciano,

1098
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:29,560
Speaker 1: Darryl Williams. All of them admitted they probably could have

1099
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 1: taken more elsewhere if they wanted to go elsewhere, But

1100
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:35,480
Speaker 1: of course there was a lot drawing them back to Buffalo,

1101
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:38,720
Speaker 1: especially with the season that this team had this past season,

1102
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:41,800
Speaker 1: with what they were able to retain. What do you

1103
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 1: think are some of the most biggest remaining needs for

1104
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills as they head into the NFL Draft. Well,

1105
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:53,760
Speaker 1: they've run out of Carolina Panther defensive lineman to sign, right,

1106
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:56,240
Speaker 1: so I think we all expect some sort of an

1107
00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:59,080
Speaker 1: emphasis there in the draft to continue to strengthen that.

1108
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:01,720
Speaker 1: Certainly you're going to have to beat the Chiefs right,

1109
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:03,920
Speaker 1: to go all the way, and to do that, you

1110
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 1: gotta get closer to doing what Buffalo or what Tampa

1111
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:09,280
Speaker 1: Bay did do them really get after them. So I

1112
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:12,520
Speaker 1: would love it if if they continue to supplement in

1113
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 1: that area of their team, and then you're hoping, too,

1114
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:17,440
Speaker 1: now that Kansas City sort of slides back, right. I mean,

1115
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 1: they made a lot of investments to the interior of

1116
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:22,760
Speaker 1: their offensive line. There's still question marks at the tackle positions.

1117
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:25,720
Speaker 1: So if you can strengthen your defense, your edge rush,

1118
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:28,880
Speaker 1: that type of stuff, and get Kansas City diminished, then

1119
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:31,680
Speaker 1: you can close the gap in both directions, right, And

1120
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:33,520
Speaker 1: that's it's one of the things we've been talking about.

1121
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:35,120
Speaker 1: And also too, I think one of the things that

1122
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:37,800
Speaker 1: happened in the Kansas City games we watched the Bills

1123
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:40,120
Speaker 1: played their worst game in two months. The Chiefs played

1124
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 1: their best game in two months, and that it turned

1125
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:45,680
Speaker 1: into a touchdown a two touchdown game. And you know,

1126
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 1: so while the Bills did get into the ballpark, you know,

1127
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:52,080
Speaker 1: they hit a foul ball when they got up to

1128
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:54,000
Speaker 1: the plate. I think when they when they played the Chiefs. Right,

1129
00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:56,240
Speaker 1: if you're gonna cross reference to sports, right. I mean

1130
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 1: that's that's basically it. I mean, the Bills somebody's going

1131
00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:02,720
Speaker 1: to beat the Chiefs because teams have done it. Tampa

1132
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:06,760
Speaker 1: Bay was the last last team to do it. But

1133
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:09,480
Speaker 1: the Bills are still the team in the in the conference.

1134
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:11,000
Speaker 1: I think that has the best shot at beating in

1135
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 1: the Chiefs because they can score with them. Yep, I

1136
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:17,040
Speaker 1: agree with you. Now they lost to them twice, so

1137
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:18,760
Speaker 1: they have to get over that hump. And I think

1138
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:21,880
Speaker 1: the defensive, I think the offense you feel pretty good about, right.

1139
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:25,320
Speaker 1: I mean, you're able to retain the offensive coordinator, the

1140
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:28,240
Speaker 1: quarterback should be coming into his prime. You've added a

1141
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:30,960
Speaker 1: good veteran receiver and Emmanuel Sanders to help round out

1142
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:34,600
Speaker 1: that group. And now defensively, can you just keep them

1143
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:36,880
Speaker 1: in check? Give Kansas City one of those tough games.

1144
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:41,040
Speaker 1: Make pat my Homes work at it, right, And the

1145
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:43,400
Speaker 1: better they're able to do that, the better chance they've

1146
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:45,720
Speaker 1: got to get over the hump. And as we look

1147
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:49,080
Speaker 1: at other AFC East teams and how the Bills can

1148
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:53,520
Speaker 1: still contend for the AFC East title this season, we

1149
01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:57,000
Speaker 1: see all the spending that the Patriots did in free agency.

1150
01:00:57,680 --> 01:01:00,440
Speaker 1: We see what pick that they have in the first surround.

1151
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:04,000
Speaker 1: Should should they be applauded for spending that much money

1152
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:07,040
Speaker 1: or should it be looked down upon for spending that

1153
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:11,919
Speaker 1: much money. Well, it's kind of like sometimes if you're

1154
01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:16,000
Speaker 1: on hard times, you take a loan that most people

1155
01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:17,760
Speaker 1: wouldn't want to take, but you're better off for it,

1156
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:19,520
Speaker 1: right because you're in a little bit of a predicament.

1157
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:23,120
Speaker 1: So do I think free agent spending is a great

1158
01:01:23,160 --> 01:01:24,800
Speaker 1: way to go. No, you'd like to be able to

1159
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:26,640
Speaker 1: build your team through the draft over time. They haven't

1160
01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:29,840
Speaker 1: drafted well and they've lost Tom Brady, so I understand

1161
01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:31,440
Speaker 1: what they're doing. I think they're better for it, but

1162
01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:34,960
Speaker 1: I question whether they can fully maximize those investments the

1163
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 1: way they could in the past and when they have.

1164
01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:39,320
Speaker 1: If they miss on a couple of them, I think

1165
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:41,680
Speaker 1: the consequences are greater because they don't have the great

1166
01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:44,080
Speaker 1: equalizer and Tom Brady and I'm not sure what they're

1167
01:01:44,120 --> 01:01:47,640
Speaker 1: doing at quarterback right, I mean, they have to do more.

1168
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:49,840
Speaker 1: I think when they're doing now, you can't just hope

1169
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:53,120
Speaker 1: that Cam Newton finds the fountain of youth and is

1170
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:57,280
Speaker 1: fixed by having better weapons. So that said, they gave

1171
01:01:57,320 --> 01:01:59,360
Speaker 1: Buffalo a tough game last year. I think there's still

1172
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:00,920
Speaker 1: going to be a tough out. They're going to be

1173
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:02,919
Speaker 1: better than they were last year. I don't think they're

1174
01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:04,720
Speaker 1: a championship contender, but I think they can be a

1175
01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:06,680
Speaker 1: thorn in someone's side, And if they get a quarterback

1176
01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:10,040
Speaker 1: or get that situation squared away a little better, I

1177
01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:11,480
Speaker 1: think they could be on the fringe of being a

1178
01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:15,200
Speaker 1: playoff team. And down south, the other AFC East team,

1179
01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:17,000
Speaker 1: the Miami Dolphins, they seem to be going all in

1180
01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:19,400
Speaker 1: with Tuah and we heard rumblings that they may be

1181
01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:22,720
Speaker 1: in that Deshaun Watson sweepstakes that have cooled off for

1182
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:27,240
Speaker 1: everybody we here in Buffalo. And when you look at

1183
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:30,520
Speaker 1: Tua as a prospect compared to the prospect of the

1184
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:33,880
Speaker 1: Bills have had with Josh Allen, they're very, very different.

1185
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:36,680
Speaker 1: Tah brings the intangibles, the leadership and the accuracy and

1186
01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:40,120
Speaker 1: maybe all the polishness of coming from a big program,

1187
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:43,480
Speaker 1: while Josh brings all the you know, the raw talent,

1188
01:02:43,640 --> 01:02:46,560
Speaker 1: you know, the physical abilities, the athleticism and the big arm.

1189
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:50,440
Speaker 1: What about the Dolphins and their ways that the way

1190
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:53,440
Speaker 1: they're going to try and build around Tuah. I think

1191
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:55,440
Speaker 1: Josh brings those things you said about Tua too, the

1192
01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:57,880
Speaker 1: leadership and stuff, the team rallies around him, He's you know,

1193
01:02:57,960 --> 01:02:59,880
Speaker 1: works hard, all of those types of things you have

1194
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:02,320
Speaker 1: to have. That it was an underwhelming rookie year for

1195
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:04,520
Speaker 1: to him. I mean, I think there's no question about it.

1196
01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:06,480
Speaker 1: Most of us, a lot of people would have had

1197
01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:08,800
Speaker 1: him above Justin Herbert in the draft, and now we're

1198
01:03:08,840 --> 01:03:11,920
Speaker 1: not so sure. I think what they've done is they've yes,

1199
01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:14,720
Speaker 1: they've gone in with TWA for this year, and yet

1200
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:18,360
Speaker 1: they've got these picks for later that would allow them

1201
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:21,200
Speaker 1: to draft a replacement, so they're not stuck with him

1202
01:03:21,240 --> 01:03:24,440
Speaker 1: forever if he doesn't do well. But as we've seen,

1203
01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:26,720
Speaker 1: the fortunes of a young quarterback can change quickly by

1204
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:28,920
Speaker 1: based on what's arounding them, and TWA may take off

1205
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:31,480
Speaker 1: this year. Maybe it's easier for him without such a

1206
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:37,160
Speaker 1: dynamic personalities like Ryan Fitzpatrick is. I've wondered about them though,

1207
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:40,400
Speaker 1: like I wonder if there's another big move or something

1208
01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:42,520
Speaker 1: they're planning. It was a little bit weird to me

1209
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:45,640
Speaker 1: to have them trade from three to twelve and then

1210
01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:48,520
Speaker 1: come back to six. It's just a little bit of

1211
01:03:48,560 --> 01:03:51,000
Speaker 1: a head scratcher. That made me wonder, Okay, do they

1212
01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:53,320
Speaker 1: want to be at six for some reason? You know,

1213
01:03:53,560 --> 01:03:57,440
Speaker 1: is is there some quarterback thing? I don't think that

1214
01:03:57,520 --> 01:03:59,959
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watsonton can be resolved in time for the draft

1215
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:03,800
Speaker 1: to where you do it, But there's just something that

1216
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:07,280
Speaker 1: feels in progress. There are like there's more to it

1217
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:10,640
Speaker 1: than we can see. Yeah, I would agree with that.

1218
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:12,320
Speaker 1: I thought that was a little bit different too, to

1219
01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:14,680
Speaker 1: see them move down and then and then move back

1220
01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:18,920
Speaker 1: up to six. But some talk that's surrounding now the

1221
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:22,480
Speaker 1: fourth pick. I mean, the Atlanta Falcons have the fourth

1222
01:04:22,560 --> 01:04:27,520
Speaker 1: overall pick, and and Adam Schefter reported today that they're

1223
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:32,040
Speaker 1: they're open to talking about trading that fourth overall pick.

1224
01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:34,600
Speaker 1: Do you think they stay there? Do you think they

1225
01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:39,280
Speaker 1: they trade that fourth overall pick? What's what's your assumption

1226
01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:44,480
Speaker 1: with what the Atlanta Falcons could do either there or moving. Yeah,

1227
01:04:44,600 --> 01:04:47,240
Speaker 1: to me, if you're advertising it like that, maybe maybe

1228
01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:48,680
Speaker 1: it's hard to get out of there, right. I mean,

1229
01:04:48,680 --> 01:04:51,160
Speaker 1: I don't know who's gonna want to go up. If

1230
01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:53,640
Speaker 1: you're going up to four, you're getting past Cincinnati, which

1231
01:04:53,680 --> 01:04:57,840
Speaker 1: isn't taking a quarterback you're getting past Detroit, which could

1232
01:04:57,960 --> 01:04:59,720
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess that maybe that if you feel

1233
01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:01,520
Speaker 1: like Troy is going to be in the mix for

1234
01:05:01,600 --> 01:05:03,680
Speaker 1: a drafted quarterback and you really want to have one

1235
01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:06,160
Speaker 1: in your Denver. I just don't know that. I feel

1236
01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:08,760
Speaker 1: that that. I feel like someone's going to really give

1237
01:05:08,840 --> 01:05:11,160
Speaker 1: up enough to get in there. We'll see. I think

1238
01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:14,640
Speaker 1: it's interesting. But the Falcons, I would want to move

1239
01:05:14,680 --> 01:05:16,280
Speaker 1: back I five with them. I mean, if you're not

1240
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:18,320
Speaker 1: taking a quarterback, then then get out of there, because

1241
01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:20,720
Speaker 1: there's a lot of good non quarterbacks and you're going

1242
01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:22,520
Speaker 1: to get one of the top ones, whether you're picking

1243
01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:26,680
Speaker 1: four or seven, or eight or ten. And what happens

1244
01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:29,600
Speaker 1: with those top picks with San Francisco moving up to

1245
01:05:29,720 --> 01:05:33,920
Speaker 1: number three, do you buy the San Francisco forty nine

1246
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:40,880
Speaker 1: ers that they're all in one back? Yeah? The guy

1247
01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:43,480
Speaker 1: from mac Jones, Yeah, Mac mac Jones. I mean, or

1248
01:05:43,560 --> 01:05:45,320
Speaker 1: is that a smoke screen, do you? I mean, because

1249
01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:47,920
Speaker 1: mac Jones is missing a lot of things that top

1250
01:05:48,040 --> 01:05:51,720
Speaker 1: quarterback prospects display, and there may be a couple of

1251
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:56,640
Speaker 1: guys in this draft that display those traits. Yeah, nothing

1252
01:05:56,680 --> 01:05:59,760
Speaker 1: would surprise me with teams. I mean, look, you know,

1253
01:05:59,800 --> 01:06:02,160
Speaker 1: the Rams trade it up and or you know, went

1254
01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:04,439
Speaker 1: up and took Jared Goff number one. Overall, I don't

1255
01:06:04,440 --> 01:06:06,440
Speaker 1: think people felt like he was John Elway, you know

1256
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:11,280
Speaker 1: what I mean. So Kyle Shanahan can like whoever he wants,

1257
01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:12,840
Speaker 1: and he can make the team go up and pick

1258
01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:16,240
Speaker 1: him third. I think we're guessing, you know, Logically, to me,

1259
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:18,919
Speaker 1: I would want especially if you're don Jimmy Garoppolo around

1260
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:21,080
Speaker 1: for a year, I want them a little bit more

1261
01:06:21,200 --> 01:06:25,040
Speaker 1: maximum physical ability, which to me would be North Dakota

1262
01:06:25,120 --> 01:06:28,360
Speaker 1: State or Ohio State. Right, those two guys a trail

1263
01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:31,360
Speaker 1: answer justin fields just watched the games, right, I mean

1264
01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:33,840
Speaker 1: that you'd rather have that. So if they traded all

1265
01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:36,439
Speaker 1: that way up just to get mac Jones, I mean, gol,

1266
01:06:36,520 --> 01:06:38,840
Speaker 1: he'd better be great. What do you think we could

1267
01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:41,920
Speaker 1: see in this NFL draft that we maybe haven't seen

1268
01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:46,800
Speaker 1: in recent years past. Well, we could see quarterbacks go

1269
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:49,280
Speaker 1: one through three for sure, and maybe even one through four,

1270
01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:51,800
Speaker 1: although it doesn't sound like Atlanta's heading in that direction.

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Speaker 1: But that's unusual. I think it's been fifty years since

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Speaker 1: they went in the top three. And then the other

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Speaker 1: thing I think we're just seeing in the league is

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Speaker 1: that teams are more willing to make bold modes and

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Speaker 1: just say kind of screw it, right, We're gonna trade Stafford,

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Speaker 1: We're gonna trade Goff, We're gonna trade Wentz. And so,

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Speaker 1: you know, I think there's a wider range of possible

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Speaker 1: things that could happen that are big based on just

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Speaker 1: these gems willingness and teams willingness to eat cash and

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Speaker 1: dead money and all that stuff. One last one I've

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Speaker 1: got for you. We've seen Matt Stafford get traded, Jared

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Speaker 1: Goff get traded for Matt Stafford. We've seen Carson Wentz

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Speaker 1: leave Philadelphia. We've seen Sam Darnold now get traded. What

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Speaker 1: do you think what other quarterback on the market or

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Speaker 1: out there, or which team do you think is going

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Speaker 1: to make a change with their veteran quarterback, a guy

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Speaker 1: that may surprise or be along the lines of these

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Speaker 1: other moves I just mentioned. Yeah, So is there going

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Speaker 1: to be a new home for Teddy Bridgewater. I don't

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Speaker 1: know that anyone's going to trade and acquire his salary,

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Speaker 1: his base salary, but he, you know, he they've said

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Speaker 1: they're going to give him a chance to look. I

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Speaker 1: think you know, New England certainly is a team that

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Speaker 1: needs to be in the market for somebody, whether they

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Speaker 1: can get Garoppolo it some way or even a ridgual somebody.

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Speaker 1: I think they have to add something else besides what

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Speaker 1: they have. Maybe they're a team that trades up into

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Speaker 1: the top ten of the draft and take somebody if

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Speaker 1: they really like them longer term. I really think that

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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson next offseason will be interested, especially if they

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Speaker 1: fall short, if they were to lose in the wildcard round,

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Speaker 1: that sort of thing. There always seems to be something

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Speaker 1: kind of stirred up there. I think the team now

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Speaker 1: will have a whole year to think about contingency plans

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Speaker 1: and there could be something, you know, cooking down the road,

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Speaker 1: not this year, but next. Yeah, the next couple of

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Speaker 1: weeks could get a little bit interesting and spicy for

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Speaker 1: some of these teams who maybe need a new quarterback,

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Speaker 1: maybe not this season, but maybe want to develop one

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Speaker 1: for the next couple of seasons. Thank you Mike for

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Speaker 1: being on with us. We appreciate the opinion and all

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Speaker 1: the things that you had to say surrounding the NFL

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Speaker 1: right now and what we can look forward to in

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Speaker 1: this NFL Draft, So thanks for the time. Thanks Mike,

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Speaker 1: thank you. Yep that was Mike Santo, the athletic senior

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Speaker 1: NFL writer and had some good points there on the

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Speaker 1: NFL Draft and maybe what we'll see with some teams

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Speaker 1: who who could still be in the market for a quarterback.

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Speaker 1: I just peeked at Todd mcshay's most recent mock draft

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Speaker 1: since the Sam Darnold trade went down, and he has

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Speaker 1: the Patriots moving up in the NFL Draft, trading with

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Speaker 1: the Giants and then they're gonna go and get according

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Speaker 1: to him in his mock draft, Justin Fields from Ohio State.

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Speaker 1: There you go. If I was Justin Fields, I wouldn't

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't mind learning us under someone like Cam Newton.

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Speaker 1: I feel like they stylistically match up. Yeah, I agree.

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Speaker 1: I think it's it's a good spot for a guy

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Speaker 1: like Justin Fields, if, if, if the Patriots can make

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Speaker 1: that happen, certainly it'd be hard for Justin Fields to

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Speaker 1: come in and unseat Cam Newton is the starting quarter

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Speaker 1: back and let you know, unless Cam falters physically, that

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Speaker 1: gives him a chance to sit, watch and learn and

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Speaker 1: then you know, take over when he's got the offense

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Speaker 1: under his belt. Certainly the Patriots know how to develop people,

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Speaker 1: so that that is an interesting scenario, right the Atlanta Falcons,

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Speaker 1: and and this may happen too, because you know, the

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Speaker 1: the New England Patriots may be sitting there thinking, Okay,

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Speaker 1: we can't get the Jacksonville Jaguars out of that pick.

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Speaker 1: We're not getting the Jets out of their pick. San

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Speaker 1: Francisco just moved up to get to their picks. Atlanta. Okay,

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Speaker 1: we'll do it, but we're not gonna do it until

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Speaker 1: we see who's left on the board after San Francisco picks,

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Speaker 1: because if they take Justin Fields, we don't want mac Jones,

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01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:48,680
Speaker 1: or maybe they do want mac Jones. And if San

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Speaker 1: Francisco takes mac Jones, like they're saying, they're like telling

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Speaker 1: everybody they do, they don't want justin Field, you know

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So they we may not see that

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Speaker 1: happen until they're on the clock with the draft because

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Speaker 1: New England or whoever wants that fourth pick wants to

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01:11:05,360 --> 01:11:08,840
Speaker 1: know who's on the board when it happens. Yeah, that's

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01:11:08,920 --> 01:11:13,479
Speaker 1: so true. And it'll be interesting to see if anything

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Speaker 1: else happens within the first round. Before the NFL Draft

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Speaker 1: on April twenty ninth, and then once we get into

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Speaker 1: the NFL Draft, if things happen in shift in the

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Speaker 1: first round, I would guess they probably will, depending on

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Speaker 1: where some of these players could fall to or players

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01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:33,200
Speaker 1: that could be taken earlier than expected. With what teams

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01:11:33,280 --> 01:11:35,880
Speaker 1: have their favorite guy, whether it's a quarterback or a

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01:11:35,960 --> 01:11:39,200
Speaker 1: different position. But we are going to take a break

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01:11:39,479 --> 01:11:43,360
Speaker 1: when we come back more conversation about this Sam darn

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Speaker 1: Old trade. Will maybe dip into the tweet sheet to

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Speaker 1: see what other people are saying, what they think about

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Speaker 1: how long a quarterback needs in a system, or if

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01:11:52,040 --> 01:11:55,640
Speaker 1: it's just different for every single player and every single quarterback.

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Speaker 1: But stick with us here on Win Bill's Live, presented

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Speaker 1: by Kalid to Health on Buffalo Bill's Radio. Hello and

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Speaker 1: welcome back into One Bills Live. Mattie glab Here and

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Speaker 1: Steve Tasker Task Tasks a task podcasting live from Seneca.

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Speaker 1: You know, sometimes words just don't come out of my

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Speaker 1: mouth the right way. Um, I mispronounced a lot of things.

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Speaker 1: But yet here I am working in TV and on

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Speaker 1: the radio. We want to get back into our Twitter

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Speaker 1: poll that we have going on. I'll reset it for you, guys,

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Speaker 1: The question is what's the right way for NFL teams

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Speaker 1: to properly evaluate young quarterbacks? Is it a sink or

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01:12:53,120 --> 01:12:57,160
Speaker 1: swim in whatever system? Doesn't matter who's your quarterback, who's

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Speaker 1: your offensive coordinator, who's your coach. It's up to you

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01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:05,440
Speaker 1: to figure it out. Needs to first surround a quarterback

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Speaker 1: with talents. So you gotta have guys like Stefan Digs,

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Speaker 1: like Cole Beasley, like John Brown, like Gabriel Davis all

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Speaker 1: around you an offensive line of course, see wait, at

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01:13:19,560 --> 01:13:23,840
Speaker 1: least three seasons in the same offensive system. Not too

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01:13:23,920 --> 01:13:27,800
Speaker 1: much pressure on a quarterback to succeed right away when

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Speaker 1: maybe they're dealt with some cards of different coaches, different

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Speaker 1: offensive coordinators. Let him be with the same person for

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Speaker 1: three seasons and in the same system for three seasons,

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Speaker 1: or is it D There is no right way. Each

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Speaker 1: player is different, and D is winning big time. Sixty

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Speaker 1: percent of the peoples for me, every player's different. Sixty

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Speaker 1: percent of the people say that, And then be you

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Speaker 1: need to surround the quarterback with talent. Thirty percent of

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Speaker 1: the people say that, So that's ninety percent of the respondence.

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Speaker 1: Or either listen, you gotta surround him with talent, or

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Speaker 1: that there's no really right way to do it. You

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01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:08,479
Speaker 1: got you gotta call it how you see it. However,

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Speaker 1: the different the guy is just every guy's different, and

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Speaker 1: it is. But I think we all like to generalize,

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Speaker 1: no question about it, as I haven't asked you this yet,

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Speaker 1: I am. I'm right there with a majority. There's no

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Speaker 1: right way. Every player is different. Josh Hanlo is different

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01:14:24,040 --> 01:14:28,240
Speaker 1: than Jim Kelly. Jim Kelly was different than Boomerissiason. Ben

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01:14:28,360 --> 01:14:31,840
Speaker 1: Roethlisberger's different than Philip Rivers. They're all different guys. The

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01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:34,639
Speaker 1: team is different, the culture is different, and the problem

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01:14:34,800 --> 01:14:38,360
Speaker 1: is not the problem. The truth of the matter is

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01:14:38,400 --> 01:14:43,639
Speaker 1: this football takes so many people contributing in so many

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01:14:43,720 --> 01:14:50,280
Speaker 1: different ways to be successful. It's hard to pluck out

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Speaker 1: one guy's contribution because that contribution isn't just what you

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01:14:54,400 --> 01:14:56,680
Speaker 1: see on game day. It's also off the field. A

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Speaker 1: guy like Matt Barkley, who doesn't play, is still extremely

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Speaker 1: im to the success of the team because he gets

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01:15:02,040 --> 01:15:04,360
Speaker 1: Josh Allen in the right mindset. He can make a

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Speaker 1: difference for what maybe what three four five plays a game.

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01:15:09,640 --> 01:15:11,559
Speaker 1: When Josh comes off the field, and he says, hey,

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Speaker 1: look at A, B and C do this, and the

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Speaker 1: next time Josh goes out touchdown, they win by one.

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Speaker 1: That kind of thing. Every contribution is impossible to extract

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Speaker 1: from a fifth roster of fifty three guys. Coaching staffs

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01:15:26,080 --> 01:15:30,400
Speaker 1: as well. So i'm every guy is different, and every

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Speaker 1: team is different. Although you know they all look the same,

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01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:37,599
Speaker 1: every team's different. The culture is different, the locker rooms different,

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Speaker 1: and the contribution that all of those guys mix together

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Speaker 1: is different for every quarterback. So it's really impossible to

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Speaker 1: do it. Certainly, there are rules of thumb. I guess

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Speaker 1: you could call them generalizations that you can make about

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Speaker 1: these guys. They need a good team around him. A

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Speaker 1: good team around you is gonna make you play better,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna make you look better. Well, okay, he's still

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Speaker 1: it's hard to extract his you know, that quarterbacks contribution,

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Speaker 1: and out of it, how good is it going to

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Speaker 1: be last year's perfect Look at the Miami Dolphins, Fits

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Speaker 1: gets them to what four and two or something like that,

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Speaker 1: four and three? At four and two, I think he

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Speaker 1: gets them too, and they make the change to Tah,

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Speaker 1: you know, and he Fits comes in and wins two

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Speaker 1: games late for two and starts and then fits us

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Speaker 1: out in week seventeen and they look horrible. So how

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Speaker 1: do you? Mike Sando said it too, it was less

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Speaker 1: than it was underwhelming as a rookie quarterback, but the

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Speaker 1: team wasn't fully formed around him. Wasn't his team. You know,

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Speaker 1: we'll see, we'll see it. But I'm with everybody else,

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Speaker 1: it's it's no right way to do it. You are

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Speaker 1: human beings. You got to do what's right for that

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Speaker 1: guy that you drafted in your team. And we took

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Speaker 1: the time to look at in several quarterbacks in their

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Speaker 1: first three seasons and if they had different head coaches

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01:16:55,720 --> 01:16:58,960
Speaker 1: or different offensive co coordinators, and some of the guys

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01:16:59,320 --> 01:17:02,439
Speaker 1: who had the the same head coach and same offensive

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01:17:02,479 --> 01:17:05,160
Speaker 1: coordinator for the first three seasons are known as some

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Speaker 1: of the greatest quarterbacks right now in the NFL. Tom Brady, Russell, Wilson,

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Speaker 1: big Ben, Peyton Manning. Those are a few who had

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Speaker 1: the same in their first three seasons. Josh Allen is

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01:17:19,040 --> 01:17:21,640
Speaker 1: definitely a part of that conversation too. And then we

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Speaker 1: looked at some quarterbacks who did see some change and

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Speaker 1: who are still known as great quarterbacks, Drew Brees being

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Speaker 1: one of them. But you pointed out Drew Brees' first

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01:17:31,560 --> 01:17:35,280
Speaker 1: team didn't think that he was all that amazing and

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Speaker 1: went on to have a successful career with the Saints.

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers another person who saw a change in those

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Speaker 1: first three seasons. When it comes to a head coach

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Speaker 1: and an offensive coordinator, different see the field exactly. So

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Speaker 1: there's so many factors that go into it. I don't

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Speaker 1: think there's there's any science about it. You know, if

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Speaker 1: if this percentage had the same amount of head coaches

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Speaker 1: or the same head coaches and the same offensive coordinators

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Speaker 1: in the first three seasons versus different quarterbacks, I think

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Speaker 1: it does depend on the type of person that you are.

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Speaker 1: But I think logically and I think anybody would say

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Speaker 1: this answer. If you're going to help a quarterback succeed,

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Speaker 1: you would want consistency and good things around him, with

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Speaker 1: an offensive line and weapons. But let's go to the

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Speaker 1: tweet sheet brought to you by Corrigan Moving Systems, the

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Speaker 1: official equipment moving company of the Buffalo Bills. We got

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Speaker 1: through one of these answers from Nick t We'll get

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Speaker 1: through a couple more. Brooke says it depends on the situation.

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Speaker 1: Darnald and Rosen were thrown into terrible organizations and expected

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Speaker 1: to do everything on their own. They need support. I

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Speaker 1: believe how the Bills developed, Alan is how you do it.

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Speaker 1: We've totally forgotten about Rosen in our conversation too. Wow,

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Speaker 1: that's hard. Yeah, guy's completely forgotten. Yeah that Rosen is

1480
01:19:01,680 --> 01:19:04,400
Speaker 1: a different guy than Darnald and Josh Allen, no question

1481
01:19:04,439 --> 01:19:08,160
Speaker 1: about it. And he got thrown into the Arizona Cardinals

1482
01:19:09,280 --> 01:19:11,880
Speaker 1: in the time when they switched head coaches quarterback, they

1483
01:19:11,880 --> 01:19:13,639
Speaker 1: threw the quarterback to the curb. They threw the head

1484
01:19:13,640 --> 01:19:17,439
Speaker 1: coach to the curb. They completely reset after just one

1485
01:19:17,560 --> 01:19:23,760
Speaker 1: season with Josh Rosen, and well, you know that's yeah,

1486
01:19:23,880 --> 01:19:27,479
Speaker 1: that's that's the aberration. I mean, who does that three

1487
01:19:27,640 --> 01:19:33,640
Speaker 1: different teams in three seasons after being picked tenth overall

1488
01:19:33,800 --> 01:19:37,280
Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen, And certainly Josh Allen, he says from

1489
01:19:37,320 --> 01:19:40,920
Speaker 1: Brookes's she or here, I guess says, you know that's developed,

1490
01:19:41,000 --> 01:19:44,120
Speaker 1: Josh Allen. That's how you do it, man, I'm telling

1491
01:19:44,200 --> 01:19:48,800
Speaker 1: you a lot of people struggled with it. Three years

1492
01:19:48,880 --> 01:19:51,320
Speaker 1: a long time. Now. The third year was money, no question,

1493
01:19:51,479 --> 01:19:55,240
Speaker 1: But two years of yeah, okay. It was bolstered by

1494
01:19:55,280 --> 01:19:58,840
Speaker 1: the fact that in his second year they won ten games,

1495
01:19:59,000 --> 01:20:01,200
Speaker 1: and they had one of the time defenses in the league,

1496
01:20:01,240 --> 01:20:05,760
Speaker 1: and they and him doing enough offensively put him in

1497
01:20:05,760 --> 01:20:07,320
Speaker 1: a position to be in the playoffs. They got beat

1498
01:20:07,360 --> 01:20:10,960
Speaker 1: in the first round of the playoffs. But that makes

1499
01:20:10,960 --> 01:20:13,360
Speaker 1: a huge difference when the rest of the team around

1500
01:20:13,400 --> 01:20:17,040
Speaker 1: and makes them makes you competitive, because then you can say, well,

1501
01:20:18,120 --> 01:20:20,880
Speaker 1: you have to do that much to be our guy.

1502
01:20:21,439 --> 01:20:23,679
Speaker 1: When you get a team that wins ten, you say, well, Josh,

1503
01:20:23,720 --> 01:20:26,720
Speaker 1: if you just don't throw two or three interceptions, there

1504
01:20:26,720 --> 01:20:30,439
Speaker 1: are one or two more you know, touchdowns, don't turn

1505
01:20:30,479 --> 01:20:34,680
Speaker 1: it over so much. Whatever, The step forward for your

1506
01:20:34,720 --> 01:20:39,240
Speaker 1: team to be great seems less than it did if

1507
01:20:39,280 --> 01:20:41,479
Speaker 1: you're six and ten, you got a number one defense

1508
01:20:41,560 --> 01:20:45,360
Speaker 1: and you lose, you know, five games by one, one

1509
01:20:45,479 --> 01:20:51,479
Speaker 1: point or one possession. The perceived step the quarterback needs

1510
01:20:51,560 --> 01:20:55,400
Speaker 1: to take has a lot to do with the patients

1511
01:20:55,479 --> 01:21:00,240
Speaker 1: that surrounds him, and I think now, based on Josh

1512
01:21:00,320 --> 01:21:05,160
Speaker 1: Allen's progress and growth, I think other teams who draft

1513
01:21:05,320 --> 01:21:10,880
Speaker 1: quarterbacks are going to relate it to or compare it

1514
01:21:11,000 --> 01:21:13,639
Speaker 1: to Josh and his growth and the reason why I'm

1515
01:21:13,640 --> 01:21:16,400
Speaker 1: saying this is because people were doing it in Denver

1516
01:21:16,640 --> 01:21:20,120
Speaker 1: this past season, with Drew Locke saying, just wait, look

1517
01:21:20,120 --> 01:21:22,519
Speaker 1: at what Josh Allen was able to do in three seasons.

1518
01:21:22,760 --> 01:21:26,080
Speaker 1: Let's let's see what Drew Locke can do in three seasons.

1519
01:21:26,600 --> 01:21:31,720
Speaker 1: Different situation, but they've drawn comparables to each other, and

1520
01:21:31,840 --> 01:21:35,639
Speaker 1: I think Josh Allen is only going to get compared

1521
01:21:35,720 --> 01:21:40,800
Speaker 1: to younger quarterbacks in how those teams and those fan

1522
01:21:40,880 --> 01:21:44,679
Speaker 1: bases hope for quarterbacks to develop, just like Josh Allen

1523
01:21:44,720 --> 01:21:47,920
Speaker 1: has been able to develop. We've had fleeting conversations about this,

1524
01:21:48,080 --> 01:21:49,920
Speaker 1: but is there such a thing, and maybe I don't

1525
01:21:49,920 --> 01:21:51,200
Speaker 1: want to coin the flat, is there such a thing

1526
01:21:51,240 --> 01:21:55,760
Speaker 1: as that Josh Allen effect on future quarterbacks? There might be.

1527
01:21:56,240 --> 01:21:58,840
Speaker 1: I think if Josh Allen goes on, which I believe

1528
01:21:58,960 --> 01:22:02,240
Speaker 1: he will, goes on to have a successful career in

1529
01:22:02,280 --> 01:22:05,800
Speaker 1: the NFL with the Buffalo Bills in six tier long term,

1530
01:22:05,880 --> 01:22:09,400
Speaker 1: which I think everybody wants him to and with what

1531
01:22:09,520 --> 01:22:12,040
Speaker 1: we've seen him be able to do in three seasons. Yeah,

1532
01:22:12,120 --> 01:22:16,439
Speaker 1: I think as we continue and progress forward and this

1533
01:22:16,640 --> 01:22:21,040
Speaker 1: team hopefully does into having consistent success and consistency in

1534
01:22:21,120 --> 01:22:24,680
Speaker 1: the playoffs, and making it to the AFC Championship and

1535
01:22:24,800 --> 01:22:27,240
Speaker 1: making it to the Super Bowl and hopefully winning a

1536
01:22:27,360 --> 01:22:30,360
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. Yeah, teams are gonna want to compare their

1537
01:22:30,400 --> 01:22:34,040
Speaker 1: quarterback to Josh Allen and his trajectory and his growth.

1538
01:22:34,200 --> 01:22:37,240
Speaker 1: All these guys drafted this year go on the clock

1539
01:22:37,280 --> 01:22:41,240
Speaker 1: against Josh Allen. Right for some fan bases, aren't a

1540
01:22:41,280 --> 01:22:43,240
Speaker 1: lot of fans out there thinking, okay, well the Bills

1541
01:22:43,280 --> 01:22:45,400
Speaker 1: gave him three years. He stunk his first year and

1542
01:22:45,479 --> 01:22:49,360
Speaker 1: he showed a little progress his second year. Or is

1543
01:22:49,400 --> 01:22:51,679
Speaker 1: it gonna be a little bit more like Joe Burrow

1544
01:22:51,840 --> 01:22:53,800
Speaker 1: and Justin Herbert who came in and said, nah, we

1545
01:22:53,880 --> 01:22:55,519
Speaker 1: got the guy. Well, you know he should come in

1546
01:22:55,560 --> 01:22:59,640
Speaker 1: and do like those like those guys, because there's examples

1547
01:22:59,680 --> 01:23:03,240
Speaker 1: of because of San diego Es, Gosh, the LA Chargers.

1548
01:23:04,640 --> 01:23:08,640
Speaker 1: The LA Chargers have for decades with the outside of

1549
01:23:09,240 --> 01:23:14,280
Speaker 1: what three or four seasons, been a train wreck. They

1550
01:23:14,360 --> 01:23:18,719
Speaker 1: can't they can't win. And they get this guy Herbert,

1551
01:23:19,840 --> 01:23:21,200
Speaker 1: you know, and he all of a sudden, you know,

1552
01:23:21,320 --> 01:23:24,080
Speaker 1: shoots it, you know, you know, hits the target and

1553
01:23:24,120 --> 01:23:29,400
Speaker 1: he's their guy? Is he the standard now? If he

1554
01:23:29,400 --> 01:23:32,320
Speaker 1: can do it for the LA Chargers, our guys should

1555
01:23:32,320 --> 01:23:34,600
Speaker 1: be doing able to do it for us. We've had some,

1556
01:23:34,760 --> 01:23:36,759
Speaker 1: you know, we've got some guys that have had success.

1557
01:23:36,840 --> 01:23:38,960
Speaker 1: We've we've got a coaching staff were like, we've you

1558
01:23:39,000 --> 01:23:41,639
Speaker 1: know what I mean, is it a Josh Allen effect

1559
01:23:41,720 --> 01:23:44,639
Speaker 1: or Justin Herbert effect, Joe Burrow effect? You know, all

1560
01:23:44,720 --> 01:23:47,519
Speaker 1: these all these guys that you run comparisons to, and

1561
01:23:47,640 --> 01:23:50,839
Speaker 1: it's hard to do because then you've got widely differing

1562
01:23:51,240 --> 01:23:54,960
Speaker 1: results from Josh Allen's results. Took three years to get

1563
01:23:55,920 --> 01:24:01,280
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert. He had five minutes notice, five minutes and

1564
01:24:01,640 --> 01:24:04,360
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody thought that he was going to

1565
01:24:04,760 --> 01:24:08,320
Speaker 1: Not anybody but a few people thought he was going

1566
01:24:08,360 --> 01:24:10,519
Speaker 1: to have this season that he actually had. I mean,

1567
01:24:11,040 --> 01:24:15,000
Speaker 1: he was the last quarterback talked about out of that

1568
01:24:15,200 --> 01:24:17,920
Speaker 1: draft class, and it was like, can he even do it?

1569
01:24:18,120 --> 01:24:20,640
Speaker 1: You think I'm being You think it's an exaggeration. He

1570
01:24:20,760 --> 01:24:25,439
Speaker 1: had five minutes notice before his first start, and the

1571
01:24:25,560 --> 01:24:30,840
Speaker 1: guy lights it up the whole year. Is unbelievable. Is unbelievable.

1572
01:24:31,160 --> 01:24:36,040
Speaker 1: Tyrod Taylor gets the proper pain relief shot in his

1573
01:24:36,200 --> 01:24:39,400
Speaker 1: chest and we don't even know about Justin Herbert. Although

1574
01:24:39,600 --> 01:24:43,160
Speaker 1: it's only a matter of time, but still he got

1575
01:24:43,320 --> 01:24:47,120
Speaker 1: five Josh three years, his third year, two years, two

1576
01:24:47,200 --> 01:24:52,000
Speaker 1: full years before he started. You know, Justin Herbert five minutes.

1577
01:24:53,120 --> 01:24:55,840
Speaker 1: I think all teams probably hope, all right, if we

1578
01:24:55,960 --> 01:25:00,479
Speaker 1: can get the Justin Herbert or the Joe Burrow effect

1579
01:25:01,080 --> 01:25:06,680
Speaker 1: in year one. That's with how not patient fan bases are.

1580
01:25:07,880 --> 01:25:11,360
Speaker 1: They're thinking, all right, we're gonna we're drafting Zach Wilson.

1581
01:25:11,760 --> 01:25:14,679
Speaker 1: The Jets are drafting Zach Wilson. Let's say this happens.

1582
01:25:15,360 --> 01:25:18,280
Speaker 1: The Jets fan base probably wants to see instant success,

1583
01:25:18,680 --> 01:25:21,439
Speaker 1: and rightfully so, because this guy's going to be drafted

1584
01:25:21,720 --> 01:25:25,240
Speaker 1: with the second overall pick, and rightfully so with any

1585
01:25:25,360 --> 01:25:29,920
Speaker 1: pick that happens one through ten for quarterbacks, depending on

1586
01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:32,080
Speaker 1: the year it is, and depending how many how many

1587
01:25:32,160 --> 01:25:36,200
Speaker 1: good quarterbacks are available that high, And then if it

1588
01:25:36,280 --> 01:25:39,040
Speaker 1: doesn't happen in year one, maybe it just it changes

1589
01:25:39,160 --> 01:25:42,000
Speaker 1: to the Josh Allen effect. In Okay, it didn't happen

1590
01:25:42,040 --> 01:25:44,519
Speaker 1: in year one, didn't have a near one, then let's

1591
01:25:44,600 --> 01:25:47,120
Speaker 1: let's give him a couple of years to develop. But

1592
01:25:47,240 --> 01:25:51,720
Speaker 1: then another part of the conversation is Josh Allen did

1593
01:25:51,840 --> 01:25:56,840
Speaker 1: not have the body of work that Joe Burrow did that,

1594
01:25:57,120 --> 01:26:00,680
Speaker 1: justin Herbert did in college football. And so I think

1595
01:26:00,760 --> 01:26:03,000
Speaker 1: with a lot of this conversation that we've been having,

1596
01:26:03,360 --> 01:26:05,560
Speaker 1: you trace it back to college football. You trace it

1597
01:26:05,680 --> 01:26:08,960
Speaker 1: back to did they have the same head coach all

1598
01:26:09,000 --> 01:26:11,040
Speaker 1: four years or all three years? Did they have the

1599
01:26:11,120 --> 01:26:14,280
Speaker 1: same offensive coordinator all three or four years? Did they

1600
01:26:14,360 --> 01:26:18,720
Speaker 1: have a great offensive line? Did they have players to

1601
01:26:18,840 --> 01:26:22,320
Speaker 1: throw too? Did they have running backs that supported their

1602
01:26:22,400 --> 01:26:27,160
Speaker 1: passing offense? Did they have four years of starting experience?

1603
01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:30,880
Speaker 1: How many passes did they throw a game? How many

1604
01:26:31,240 --> 01:26:34,040
Speaker 1: attempts did they have in the entire season? And Josh

1605
01:26:34,120 --> 01:26:37,840
Speaker 1: Allen compared to someone like Joe Burrow, it looks so

1606
01:26:38,200 --> 01:26:41,400
Speaker 1: different on paper when you're looking at their college statistics.

1607
01:26:42,000 --> 01:26:45,920
Speaker 1: So Joe Burrows upside, I don't think is as big

1608
01:26:46,120 --> 01:26:48,919
Speaker 1: because we saw what Joe Burrow did it in college

1609
01:26:49,000 --> 01:26:52,240
Speaker 1: and the expectation was hard, and it was there for

1610
01:26:52,479 --> 01:26:56,040
Speaker 1: Josh Allen. I don't know if there was that much

1611
01:26:56,080 --> 01:26:59,920
Speaker 1: of an expectation, maybe not from the fans, but made

1612
01:27:00,240 --> 01:27:04,800
Speaker 1: from some people who cover the NFL and understand and

1613
01:27:05,000 --> 01:27:10,400
Speaker 1: fans do too about Okay, is instant success something that

1614
01:27:10,479 --> 01:27:13,479
Speaker 1: we're going to see with this guy who who didn't

1615
01:27:13,520 --> 01:27:17,160
Speaker 1: have the biggest body of work in college. Knowing that

1616
01:27:17,320 --> 01:27:19,360
Speaker 1: going in and being able to communicate it to your

1617
01:27:19,400 --> 01:27:21,960
Speaker 1: fan base, I think it's huge. Yeah, like the Bills

1618
01:27:22,040 --> 01:27:23,920
Speaker 1: kind of did that. Yeah, they did. They did a

1619
01:27:23,960 --> 01:27:26,360
Speaker 1: great job of doing that. Yeah, they said, listen, he's

1620
01:27:26,360 --> 01:27:28,200
Speaker 1: not even gonna start. We're gonna start this other guy,

1621
01:27:28,320 --> 01:27:30,960
Speaker 1: this Nathan Peterman. We're gonna let him take the slings

1622
01:27:31,000 --> 01:27:33,760
Speaker 1: and error, and then you know he's he's out in

1623
01:27:33,840 --> 01:27:37,040
Speaker 1: the first game. And I was there the Driving Rainstorm

1624
01:27:37,200 --> 01:27:39,880
Speaker 1: year one, Josh Alliance of Baltimore Ravens who ended up

1625
01:27:39,920 --> 01:27:41,920
Speaker 1: going deep in the playoffs that year, and the Bills

1626
01:27:42,840 --> 01:27:46,680
Speaker 1: didn't obviously, and you know, you're often running on a

1627
01:27:46,760 --> 01:27:49,080
Speaker 1: six and ten season, and it was just it was

1628
01:27:49,160 --> 01:27:51,679
Speaker 1: just a it was just a hard year, a really

1629
01:27:51,840 --> 01:27:54,920
Speaker 1: difficult year for that. And then the next year they

1630
01:27:54,960 --> 01:27:57,240
Speaker 1: come out and he's a little better. But man, it's

1631
01:27:57,240 --> 01:27:58,880
Speaker 1: a good thing. They got a good defense. They won

1632
01:27:59,000 --> 01:28:01,519
Speaker 1: ten games, but they're not beating anybody in the playoffs

1633
01:28:01,560 --> 01:28:04,680
Speaker 1: and they didn't. So then that's where you sit coming

1634
01:28:04,720 --> 01:28:09,040
Speaker 1: into last year and it's like, huh, we'll see, I mean,

1635
01:28:09,160 --> 01:28:10,639
Speaker 1: he's got to get better. And then they come out

1636
01:28:10,680 --> 01:28:13,080
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, they're scoring thirty points a game.

1637
01:28:13,120 --> 01:28:15,920
Speaker 1: It's like, where did it come from? You know, where

1638
01:28:15,960 --> 01:28:20,120
Speaker 1: did this come from? So the expectations that each team

1639
01:28:20,200 --> 01:28:23,000
Speaker 1: has the guy coming in, how well they communicate that

1640
01:28:23,080 --> 01:28:25,080
Speaker 1: to their fan base, and how and how patient of

1641
01:28:25,120 --> 01:28:27,040
Speaker 1: the owners willing to be the saint. And I'm gonna,

1642
01:28:27,160 --> 01:28:31,920
Speaker 1: I'm you know, we stunk last year, so we get in.

1643
01:28:31,960 --> 01:28:35,640
Speaker 1: This guy's here, he'd better be the guy, you know.

1644
01:28:35,720 --> 01:28:39,040
Speaker 1: And I I said this too, um, you know, to

1645
01:28:39,160 --> 01:28:42,439
Speaker 1: Brian Costello or guest earlier in the show. Why didn't

1646
01:28:42,439 --> 01:28:46,880
Speaker 1: they keep darna? Why did the Jets keep Darnald? That's dumb.

1647
01:28:46,960 --> 01:28:49,960
Speaker 1: They getting They getting a second next year, They're getting

1648
01:28:49,960 --> 01:28:53,719
Speaker 1: a fourth, sixth this year, a sixth and a second

1649
01:28:53,800 --> 01:28:55,640
Speaker 1: next year. Okay, a second is pretty good, and a

1650
01:28:55,760 --> 01:29:00,320
Speaker 1: fourth and twenty three? Why would you? Why take that

1651
01:29:00,520 --> 01:29:04,280
Speaker 1: chance that Sam Darnold might not be the guy for

1652
01:29:04,439 --> 01:29:11,400
Speaker 1: you and still draft Zach Wilson. Why would you? That's

1653
01:29:11,600 --> 01:29:13,920
Speaker 1: nuts to me, because they're still gonna take the same

1654
01:29:13,960 --> 01:29:16,439
Speaker 1: guy in the draft. Yeah, they're still gonna have the

1655
01:29:16,479 --> 01:29:19,080
Speaker 1: exact same draft they would have with Sam Darnold on

1656
01:29:19,160 --> 01:29:24,560
Speaker 1: the team. And I just that's crazy to me. For

1657
01:29:25,040 --> 01:29:28,560
Speaker 1: you know, I get it, okay, second rounder, but what

1658
01:29:28,720 --> 01:29:30,320
Speaker 1: if one of those guys is it and you don't

1659
01:29:30,320 --> 01:29:32,559
Speaker 1: get the right one, or what if they both are

1660
01:29:32,680 --> 01:29:35,080
Speaker 1: for that matter, at least nobody else has got that

1661
01:29:35,240 --> 01:29:40,599
Speaker 1: guy right? I mean, does your draft. Does Sam Darnold's

1662
01:29:40,680 --> 01:29:43,280
Speaker 1: value go down if you figure out that Zach Wilson

1663
01:29:43,439 --> 01:29:44,960
Speaker 1: is your guy and you don't get as much for

1664
01:29:45,040 --> 01:29:48,400
Speaker 1: Sam Darnold. Possibly, But what if Zach Wilson doesn't start

1665
01:29:48,479 --> 01:29:50,439
Speaker 1: the first half of the season, and what if Sam

1666
01:29:50,560 --> 01:29:54,640
Speaker 1: Darnold does and has a great first five games and

1667
01:29:54,720 --> 01:29:58,040
Speaker 1: they eventually move on to Zach Wilson just because he's

1668
01:29:58,120 --> 01:29:59,840
Speaker 1: going to be their guy, then maybe you do get

1669
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:02,360
Speaker 1: were for Sam Darnold. And what if the team does

1670
01:30:02,479 --> 01:30:06,880
Speaker 1: stink around this the new guy, you don't you you know,

1671
01:30:08,000 --> 01:30:12,120
Speaker 1: stunt his development, this Zach Wilson's development instead of letting

1672
01:30:12,120 --> 01:30:15,240
Speaker 1: Sam Darnald take those slings and arrows like he has

1673
01:30:15,320 --> 01:30:19,920
Speaker 1: for the past three years, And then the fans will understand, then, Okay,

1674
01:30:20,200 --> 01:30:22,120
Speaker 1: we're not that good around him. Maybe he's gonna be

1675
01:30:22,200 --> 01:30:25,439
Speaker 1: good and Sam stinks. Let's put plug the other guy in, Okay,

1676
01:30:25,520 --> 01:30:27,800
Speaker 1: so he comes in finishes the season starts to get

1677
01:30:27,840 --> 01:30:32,040
Speaker 1: some development, then you can go from there. But now

1678
01:30:32,560 --> 01:30:37,719
Speaker 1: if Zach Wilson's not the guy, they're done again. And Sam,

1679
01:30:38,680 --> 01:30:41,840
Speaker 1: He's right. I asked Mike Sando this, Who's gonna play

1680
01:30:41,880 --> 01:30:44,680
Speaker 1: better this year? Sam Donald or Zach Wilson? You know,

1681
01:30:44,760 --> 01:30:47,720
Speaker 1: Sam Darnold. Yeah, I agree with that. And at the

1682
01:30:47,840 --> 01:30:50,120
Speaker 1: end of the day, maybe Bills fans are happy about

1683
01:30:50,160 --> 01:30:52,200
Speaker 1: all that because that means the Jets are just gonna

1684
01:30:52,520 --> 01:30:55,240
Speaker 1: take longer to get their things figured out, and the

1685
01:30:55,360 --> 01:30:58,519
Speaker 1: Bills can people keep being the Bills that they know

1686
01:30:58,640 --> 01:31:00,760
Speaker 1: how to be as a last couple years. All Right,

1687
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Speaker 1: We've got to take a break before we get way

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01:31:03,120 --> 01:31:06,400
Speaker 1: too heated talking about quarterbacks that aren't even our quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: But we will be right back, so stay tuned here

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Speaker 1: on One Bill's Live, presented by kalidah Health. This is

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Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills Radio. We're back here on One Bills Live

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01:31:27,200 --> 01:31:31,320
Speaker 1: where Steve Tasker and I have been getting pretty heated

1693
01:31:31,479 --> 01:31:35,000
Speaker 1: talking about quarterbacks in their development and what can be

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01:31:35,160 --> 01:31:39,400
Speaker 1: expected of them in their first three seasons and whatnot,

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01:31:39,680 --> 01:31:42,679
Speaker 1: and Sam Darnold and Zach Wilson and what the Jets

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01:31:42,720 --> 01:31:44,519
Speaker 1: are going to look like the next few years, and

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01:31:44,600 --> 01:31:47,479
Speaker 1: if it's going to be anything beautiful or if it's

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01:31:47,479 --> 01:31:51,040
Speaker 1: going to be a tragedy, we'll see what happens. If

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01:31:51,080 --> 01:31:53,960
Speaker 1: they take Zach Wilson on number two, you're going tragedy

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01:31:54,040 --> 01:31:56,080
Speaker 1: for ten dollars the New York Jets for the next

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01:31:56,120 --> 01:31:59,360
Speaker 1: couple of years. I wouldn't be mad at it, but

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01:31:59,720 --> 01:32:02,439
Speaker 1: some competition would also maybe be nice a little bit.

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01:32:02,680 --> 01:32:05,519
Speaker 1: But you know, we'll see. We're gonna dip back into

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01:32:05,520 --> 01:32:08,439
Speaker 1: the tweet sheet because we of course have already been

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01:32:08,479 --> 01:32:10,200
Speaker 1: talking too much and have to take a break soon.

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01:32:10,720 --> 01:32:14,559
Speaker 1: But let's read off what Dina had to say. Definitely

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01:32:14,640 --> 01:32:17,680
Speaker 1: not a b A lot of good players, but not

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01:32:17,960 --> 01:32:21,760
Speaker 1: all fit together. Might have better chemistry with a less

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01:32:21,800 --> 01:32:26,519
Speaker 1: polite players. C Three seasons, maybe too many or not enough.

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01:32:26,640 --> 01:32:30,040
Speaker 1: My answer is d design offense to match a quarterback

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01:32:30,200 --> 01:32:33,519
Speaker 1: talents and talents of the rest of the offense combined.

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01:32:33,720 --> 01:32:38,600
Speaker 1: It takes all. Yeah, well that's the vast majority. And

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01:32:38,800 --> 01:32:41,320
Speaker 1: I'm not that I'm surprised by that. I guess now

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01:32:41,360 --> 01:32:44,479
Speaker 1: that they think about this Twitter poll, that you know,

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01:32:44,640 --> 01:32:47,439
Speaker 1: nobody believes sinkers want to throw the guy in right away.

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01:32:48,600 --> 01:32:50,640
Speaker 1: We've seen that time. But we've seen that time and

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01:32:50,720 --> 01:32:53,719
Speaker 1: time again. The guy goes in and for whatever reason

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01:32:53,800 --> 01:32:56,720
Speaker 1: isn't successful, whether it's a bad team. And usually it

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01:32:56,840 --> 01:32:58,519
Speaker 1: is a bad team because you draft the guy high,

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01:32:58,560 --> 01:33:01,520
Speaker 1: they're a bad team already. But you see it constantly.

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01:33:02,040 --> 01:33:03,720
Speaker 1: Can you imagine if the Bills would have thrown the

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01:33:03,800 --> 01:33:09,400
Speaker 1: tale in on Josh Allen? No, right, it happens. Josh

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01:33:09,520 --> 01:33:11,439
Speaker 1: Rosen didn't even get a chance to hit the field

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01:33:11,560 --> 01:33:16,240
Speaker 1: for that team. You know, Baker Mayfield, Oh he's okay,

1725
01:33:16,320 --> 01:33:18,240
Speaker 1: but and he actually played good in that last second

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01:33:18,280 --> 01:33:20,519
Speaker 1: half of that season. It's like, okay, all right, and

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01:33:20,600 --> 01:33:23,160
Speaker 1: then he regretted before he finally got back in the saddle.

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01:33:24,080 --> 01:33:28,640
Speaker 1: I mean, you just I don't know you. The thing

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01:33:28,720 --> 01:33:31,120
Speaker 1: I know about this is I know is this the

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Speaker 1: coaching staff and the players in the building almost quickly,

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01:33:40,880 --> 01:33:44,120
Speaker 1: I think fairly quickly by our by most people's standards,

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01:33:44,760 --> 01:33:46,800
Speaker 1: they got an idea is whether this guy's the guy

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01:33:46,920 --> 01:33:50,040
Speaker 1: or not. Now, certainly there's going to be some shortcomings

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01:33:50,040 --> 01:33:51,720
Speaker 1: and some stumbling blocks, and then maybe you have to

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01:33:51,800 --> 01:33:54,080
Speaker 1: build it stronger here rather than over here. You might

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01:33:54,120 --> 01:33:56,320
Speaker 1: have to have a better offensive line for Philip Rivers

1737
01:33:56,680 --> 01:33:59,360
Speaker 1: than you need for Kyler Murray that kind of thing.

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01:34:00,200 --> 01:34:02,559
Speaker 1: But I think in the building there's always a sense

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01:34:02,680 --> 01:34:06,559
Speaker 1: that that's our guy, we got him, we just gotta

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01:34:06,600 --> 01:34:09,320
Speaker 1: get this and this and this right, and that people

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01:34:09,400 --> 01:34:11,960
Speaker 1: will defend him. I think that's one thing that I

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01:34:12,120 --> 01:34:15,760
Speaker 1: picked up about Josh Allen quickly as I head into

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01:34:15,840 --> 01:34:19,120
Speaker 1: my third season covering this team. And I wasn't there

1744
01:34:19,200 --> 01:34:22,640
Speaker 1: for year one, but year two there was promise, but

1745
01:34:22,760 --> 01:34:26,120
Speaker 1: it also wasn't like, whoa Josh Allen, He's gonna be

1746
01:34:26,200 --> 01:34:30,160
Speaker 1: the best quarterback ever. But his teammates defended him and

1747
01:34:30,400 --> 01:34:33,519
Speaker 1: fought for him, and you could tell that if maybe

1748
01:34:33,600 --> 01:34:36,000
Speaker 1: we weren't seeing something yet, but they were seeing it

1749
01:34:36,120 --> 01:34:38,560
Speaker 1: every single day, that's exactly right. And that was my

1750
01:34:38,680 --> 01:34:41,519
Speaker 1: point I was gonna make inside the building, you can

1751
01:34:41,600 --> 01:34:43,880
Speaker 1: feel it, maybe that is the guy, and you're like, well,

1752
01:34:43,920 --> 01:34:46,320
Speaker 1: I don't know, no, no, no, that's our guy. The

1753
01:34:46,520 --> 01:34:48,800
Speaker 1: players believe it, the coaches believe it, and you could

1754
01:34:48,800 --> 01:34:50,679
Speaker 1: see it now they you're like, you're right. They weren't

1755
01:34:50,720 --> 01:34:53,720
Speaker 1: like waving a flag and standing at it, but you

1756
01:34:53,800 --> 01:34:56,040
Speaker 1: could see there was a quiet belief that this guy

1757
01:34:56,160 --> 01:35:01,280
Speaker 1: had it. And I think you see that before you

1758
01:35:01,439 --> 01:35:04,160
Speaker 1: may feel it on the field or is you win

1759
01:35:04,320 --> 01:35:07,600
Speaker 1: lost record shows it. But there's a feeling inside the

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01:35:07,640 --> 01:35:09,320
Speaker 1: building that's and I think you see some of that

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01:35:09,360 --> 01:35:12,439
Speaker 1: with Tula, right, Yeah. I think I think there's some

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01:35:12,479 --> 01:35:14,600
Speaker 1: of those guys are going yeah guys, you know, like

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01:35:14,920 --> 01:35:17,840
Speaker 1: Fitz said some nice things about him when you I

1764
01:35:17,920 --> 01:35:20,840
Speaker 1: think there's a lot of that. And I think we

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01:35:21,040 --> 01:35:23,160
Speaker 1: saw it, and you I think you were here. You

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01:35:23,640 --> 01:35:25,120
Speaker 1: can feel it coming out of the locker room and

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01:35:25,120 --> 01:35:27,920
Speaker 1: the coaching staff about Josh here in Buffalo, Yeah, you

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01:35:27,960 --> 01:35:29,320
Speaker 1: could see it. And I think you see it in

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01:35:30,000 --> 01:35:31,920
Speaker 1: Arizona with Kyler Murray. There's a lot of people in

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01:35:31,920 --> 01:35:34,920
Speaker 1: there they're like, man, you know, guy, I can I

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01:35:34,960 --> 01:35:40,320
Speaker 1: can get it done, you know. So I think there

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01:35:40,439 --> 01:35:42,000
Speaker 1: has to be some of that in there as well

1773
01:35:42,280 --> 01:35:45,360
Speaker 1: inside the building where and I think they're willing to

1774
01:35:45,439 --> 01:35:47,960
Speaker 1: be more patient. You can see through the fakeness too.

1775
01:35:48,439 --> 01:35:51,640
Speaker 1: You can three see through when people are trying to

1776
01:35:51,760 --> 01:35:57,080
Speaker 1: like sugarcoat the flip service. Yeah, and that wasn't the

1777
01:35:57,160 --> 01:35:59,599
Speaker 1: case with with Josh Allen. And that wasn't the case

1778
01:36:00,080 --> 01:36:04,040
Speaker 1: with how Sean and Brandon and especially Brian Dave all

1779
01:36:04,120 --> 01:36:07,160
Speaker 1: talked about Josh Allen and it was. It was easy

1780
01:36:07,240 --> 01:36:08,720
Speaker 1: to see that from how they talked about it, and

1781
01:36:08,800 --> 01:36:12,080
Speaker 1: then his play came this past season on the field.

1782
01:36:12,160 --> 01:36:15,120
Speaker 1: But we've got to take another break. Um, we are

1783
01:36:15,240 --> 01:36:18,040
Speaker 1: up against these these breaks here because Steve and I

1784
01:36:18,120 --> 01:36:21,080
Speaker 1: are just blabbing. But that's a good thing because that

1785
01:36:21,200 --> 01:36:23,360
Speaker 1: means there's a lot more coming up that we can

1786
01:36:23,439 --> 01:36:27,200
Speaker 1: talk about here as we approach the two o'clock hour,

1787
01:36:27,479 --> 01:36:29,439
Speaker 1: just right past it, stay with us here and One

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Speaker 1: Bills Live is presented by Kalidah Health on the Buffalo

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Speaker 1: Bills Radio had a Seve pastor who has been a flue.

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01:36:53,600 --> 01:36:57,520
Speaker 1: He was kind of a dual role of leader, Steve

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01:36:59,000 --> 01:37:07,599
Speaker 1: a blimp. We're not even in the welcome back into

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Speaker 1: One Bills Live, Maddie Glab Steve Tasker here inside Seneca Studio.

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Speaker 1: We've got about an hour left, just under an hour

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Speaker 1: left of this show, and much of it we've been

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01:37:19,200 --> 01:37:23,360
Speaker 1: spending on this Twitter poll and talking quarterbacks. The Twitter

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01:37:23,439 --> 01:37:26,200
Speaker 1: poll is what's the right way for NFL teams to

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01:37:26,360 --> 01:37:32,840
Speaker 1: properly evaluate young quarterbacks. There's four options and D seems

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01:37:32,840 --> 01:37:35,200
Speaker 1: to be the most popular. So A is a sink

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01:37:35,320 --> 01:37:38,439
Speaker 1: or swim in whatever system is it be Nope, you

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01:37:38,520 --> 01:37:42,840
Speaker 1: need to surround the quarterback with talent. First, c wait,

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01:37:42,880 --> 01:37:46,240
Speaker 1: at least three seasons in the same offensive system, or

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01:37:46,479 --> 01:37:49,960
Speaker 1: is it d There's no right way because every player

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01:37:50,160 --> 01:37:54,360
Speaker 1: is different, and that is what is taking the lead here.

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01:37:54,520 --> 01:37:59,280
Speaker 1: Sixty point eight percent of people say that Nope. One,

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01:37:59,560 --> 01:38:02,680
Speaker 1: there's no solution that fits just one quarterback. It's it's

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01:38:02,760 --> 01:38:06,680
Speaker 1: different for every single quarterback. And second is surround the

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01:38:06,760 --> 01:38:09,960
Speaker 1: quarterback with talent. First, twenty eight point four percent of

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01:38:10,040 --> 01:38:13,160
Speaker 1: you think it's option B. But let's go back to

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Speaker 1: the tweet sheet brought to you by Corrigan Moving Systems

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Speaker 1: and Bills and Mets fans says, it is really a

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01:38:20,840 --> 01:38:25,960
Speaker 1: combination of many things. Josh is supremely talented, landed in

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01:38:26,040 --> 01:38:30,320
Speaker 1: a very supportive system that has consistency. He was surrounded

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01:38:30,360 --> 01:38:34,000
Speaker 1: by talent, and he works hard. It is really the

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01:38:34,080 --> 01:38:37,160
Speaker 1: perfect storm. I feel sorry for guys like Sam Darnold

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01:38:37,200 --> 01:38:44,360
Speaker 1: who had the opposite experience. Well, yeah, I mean, yeah,

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01:38:44,840 --> 01:38:49,000
Speaker 1: I get it. Yeah. What did Mike Sandos say? He

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01:38:49,120 --> 01:38:51,479
Speaker 1: was like, could you think of anything that the Jets

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01:38:51,520 --> 01:38:53,960
Speaker 1: could have done worse for Sam Darnold? Right if they

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01:38:54,040 --> 01:38:56,920
Speaker 1: were trying to sabotage Sam Darnold's career. Would they have

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01:38:57,000 --> 01:39:01,920
Speaker 1: done anything different? Yeah, I don't know that. I have

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01:39:02,120 --> 01:39:05,200
Speaker 1: never thought about it that way. It's a good point.

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01:39:05,240 --> 01:39:08,160
Speaker 1: They traded away a ton of really good players. They

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01:39:08,240 --> 01:39:13,600
Speaker 1: didn't they drafted an offensive tackle once, but you know,

1824
01:39:13,680 --> 01:39:17,839
Speaker 1: they gutted their defense. They didn't draft any wide receivers

1825
01:39:17,880 --> 01:39:21,280
Speaker 1: in a year when wide receivers were all over the draft.

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01:39:21,600 --> 01:39:28,400
Speaker 1: Good ones. Um, they spent all the money on a

1827
01:39:28,600 --> 01:39:32,360
Speaker 1: running back for grint out loud, what are you doing? So? Yeah,

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01:39:33,240 --> 01:39:36,120
Speaker 1: it's but I don't feel sorry for these guys. That's

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01:39:36,160 --> 01:39:38,080
Speaker 1: just the way that that's a lie. That's like and

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01:39:38,240 --> 01:39:39,760
Speaker 1: I do I feel I guess I do in a

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01:39:39,800 --> 01:39:41,920
Speaker 1: way because I feel sorry for them, like I feel

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01:39:41,960 --> 01:39:44,479
Speaker 1: sorry for the other pets at the pet store that

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01:39:44,560 --> 01:39:49,000
Speaker 1: I didn't get at Right, this dog, my dog had

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01:39:49,000 --> 01:39:50,840
Speaker 1: a great life, has a great life, right, I mean,

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01:39:50,880 --> 01:39:53,320
Speaker 1: I were great. He's a remember the family, great dog.

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01:39:53,840 --> 01:39:57,479
Speaker 1: I don't think about those other dogs. I got mine.

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01:39:58,200 --> 01:40:00,680
Speaker 1: I got mine. I know they're other there. I hope

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01:40:00,680 --> 01:40:03,639
Speaker 1: they're happy. What can I say. I'm happy with him

1839
01:40:03,640 --> 01:40:06,200
Speaker 1: when I got so that's kind of the way I

1840
01:40:06,280 --> 01:40:11,080
Speaker 1: feel like those other quarterbacks, like I'm so bad I'm

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01:40:11,320 --> 01:40:14,760
Speaker 1: quarterbacks dogs. I am a pig because I don't care

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01:40:14,800 --> 01:40:16,800
Speaker 1: about those other dogs. I didn't a dog. I liked

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01:40:16,840 --> 01:40:19,360
Speaker 1: the dog I got. He's the perfect dog. Meanwhile, I

1844
01:40:19,439 --> 01:40:22,200
Speaker 1: would sit up at night being like, what about all

1845
01:40:22,240 --> 01:40:25,559
Speaker 1: the other dogs that haven't been adopted. I did my thing,

1846
01:40:25,680 --> 01:40:28,559
Speaker 1: I got my dog. My dog's perfect. He's the right

1847
01:40:28,640 --> 01:40:31,760
Speaker 1: dog for me. But there's a lot of dogs who

1848
01:40:31,760 --> 01:40:33,679
Speaker 1: don't have I don't know about that analogy. I don't.

1849
01:40:33,800 --> 01:40:35,880
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't want to make anybody upset. I'm

1850
01:40:35,960 --> 01:40:39,439
Speaker 1: I'm making light of it. But you know, I'm a

1851
01:40:39,520 --> 01:40:44,040
Speaker 1: rescue animal guy. But I like the dog I got.

1852
01:40:44,240 --> 01:40:46,479
Speaker 1: You like the Josh Ellen that you have. That's right,

1853
01:40:46,840 --> 01:40:49,519
Speaker 1: and it doesn't matter. And he's the right dog because

1854
01:40:49,560 --> 01:40:51,880
Speaker 1: I you know he trained, he grew up in my house.

1855
01:40:52,280 --> 01:40:54,840
Speaker 1: You know we trained him right. If your dog's not

1856
01:40:55,960 --> 01:40:59,280
Speaker 1: dogs on you, that's on you. You adopted your dog,

1857
01:40:59,280 --> 01:41:02,800
Speaker 1: you didn't treat him right, he didn't train him up right, right.

1858
01:41:03,240 --> 01:41:06,439
Speaker 1: This is this is true. Do you still feel bad though,

1859
01:41:06,640 --> 01:41:10,280
Speaker 1: I feel bad for Sam Darnold. No. I pity the owners.

1860
01:41:10,760 --> 01:41:16,360
Speaker 1: Good owners, great dogs, that's right. See good organizations, great quarterbacks.

1861
01:41:16,479 --> 01:41:20,240
Speaker 1: We're learning life lessons here. Also on one Bills more

1862
01:41:20,240 --> 01:41:23,600
Speaker 1: down the line, that analogy falls on its face, but

1863
01:41:23,720 --> 01:41:26,439
Speaker 1: for right now, I'm living with it. Here's what Bills

1864
01:41:26,520 --> 01:41:29,960
Speaker 1: all Day thinks. He said, it's B isn't the way,

1865
01:41:30,080 --> 01:41:33,200
Speaker 1: because that's what I feel like the Bills did from

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01:41:33,240 --> 01:41:36,320
Speaker 1: two thousand and four to two eighteen, and B was

1867
01:41:36,960 --> 01:41:40,240
Speaker 1: you need to first around a quarterback with talent first.

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01:41:41,280 --> 01:41:44,080
Speaker 1: He says, that's how you end up six and ten

1869
01:41:44,240 --> 01:41:47,799
Speaker 1: or seven to nine every year and picking twelve overall

1870
01:41:48,120 --> 01:41:51,320
Speaker 1: and missing out on the top quarterbacks. That's a good

1871
01:41:51,360 --> 01:41:55,479
Speaker 1: point there, B is. So he takes B off the board, says, Nope,

1872
01:41:55,560 --> 01:42:00,400
Speaker 1: you can't just focus on B. You cannot around the

1873
01:42:00,479 --> 01:42:04,000
Speaker 1: guy with talent before you evaluate him. You can't do that.

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01:42:04,080 --> 01:42:06,120
Speaker 1: He says. You can't do that because if you start

1875
01:42:06,200 --> 01:42:08,439
Speaker 1: doing that, you're chasing your tail. You're just gonna win

1876
01:42:08,560 --> 01:42:11,200
Speaker 1: six or seven games every season and you're never gonna

1877
01:42:11,240 --> 01:42:15,880
Speaker 1: make it anywhere. I get it, okay, and that's a

1878
01:42:16,240 --> 01:42:18,240
Speaker 1: that's a pretty good rationale. I mean, I get it.

1879
01:42:18,720 --> 01:42:20,960
Speaker 1: You can never catch up to the development of a

1880
01:42:21,040 --> 01:42:22,840
Speaker 1: quarterback because by the time you find out he's not

1881
01:42:22,960 --> 01:42:27,120
Speaker 1: the guy, you're too good because your team's good around him.

1882
01:42:27,160 --> 01:42:29,679
Speaker 1: You're too good to get a guy get the guy.

1883
01:42:29,880 --> 01:42:34,040
Speaker 1: So yeah, I understand that as well. But at least

1884
01:42:34,040 --> 01:42:36,479
Speaker 1: you found out the guy wasn't the guy. At least

1885
01:42:36,479 --> 01:42:38,000
Speaker 1: he gave him a chance, you know, and all that.

1886
01:42:38,200 --> 01:42:40,880
Speaker 1: So I don't know whether he's right, but he's right

1887
01:42:40,960 --> 01:42:45,960
Speaker 1: because that's only if the guy's not the guy. So

1888
01:42:46,160 --> 01:42:48,240
Speaker 1: none of the guys that the Bills had from four

1889
01:42:48,240 --> 01:42:51,320
Speaker 1: to eight or whatever four to eighteen, in my opinion,

1890
01:42:51,560 --> 01:42:55,439
Speaker 1: none of those guys was the right guy, right, So

1891
01:42:57,479 --> 01:43:00,200
Speaker 1: you don't feel there's nobody along the long line of

1892
01:43:00,280 --> 01:43:03,200
Speaker 1: those guys from during the drought that you would say, wow,

1893
01:43:03,439 --> 01:43:05,760
Speaker 1: you know he might have been you know, none of them.

1894
01:43:07,400 --> 01:43:10,040
Speaker 1: So if you'd have had a guy like Josh and

1895
01:43:10,080 --> 01:43:12,559
Speaker 1: you'd have done it that way, maybe you know, maybe

1896
01:43:12,560 --> 01:43:15,360
Speaker 1: you do, maybe you would have found him. You would

1897
01:43:15,439 --> 01:43:19,679
Speaker 1: have been the right thing with the head coaching, GM

1898
01:43:19,800 --> 01:43:22,880
Speaker 1: built it around him the right way. And I know

1899
01:43:22,920 --> 01:43:25,559
Speaker 1: that's the question. Yeah, he's right because none of those

1900
01:43:25,600 --> 01:43:29,639
Speaker 1: guys were the guy you And then from a coaches

1901
01:43:29,680 --> 01:43:33,200
Speaker 1: and a GM's perspective of trying to find the guy,

1902
01:43:33,960 --> 01:43:36,479
Speaker 1: there's years where you know you're just picking up a

1903
01:43:36,560 --> 01:43:39,320
Speaker 1: quarterback because you need one and you know that this

1904
01:43:39,520 --> 01:43:42,040
Speaker 1: guy is not going to be the guy. And I'm

1905
01:43:42,080 --> 01:43:45,280
Speaker 1: not talking about drafting a quarterback in the first round

1906
01:43:45,720 --> 01:43:48,720
Speaker 1: and within the first ten picks and being like, oh,

1907
01:43:48,840 --> 01:43:50,320
Speaker 1: he's not going to be the guy. We just got

1908
01:43:50,439 --> 01:43:52,120
Speaker 1: to get by for a couple of years. No, it's

1909
01:43:52,160 --> 01:43:56,000
Speaker 1: picking up guys in free agency or via trade where

1910
01:43:56,880 --> 01:43:59,160
Speaker 1: maybe you just have to get by for a couple

1911
01:43:59,200 --> 01:44:02,880
Speaker 1: of seasons. But when you go all in on a

1912
01:44:02,960 --> 01:44:05,519
Speaker 1: quarterback in the first round, I think you're hoping that

1913
01:44:05,880 --> 01:44:08,520
Speaker 1: that person is the guy. And based on your evaluation

1914
01:44:08,600 --> 01:44:11,840
Speaker 1: that you've done of his college tape and the interviews

1915
01:44:11,960 --> 01:44:14,480
Speaker 1: that you've been able to do at the scouting combine

1916
01:44:14,560 --> 01:44:17,439
Speaker 1: or in this year on Zoom, all your eggs are

1917
01:44:17,479 --> 01:44:20,240
Speaker 1: in that basket for that guy. And it sucks to

1918
01:44:20,400 --> 01:44:23,840
Speaker 1: miss on something like that. But if you're putting all

1919
01:44:23,880 --> 01:44:26,880
Speaker 1: those eggs in that basket, then don't you want to

1920
01:44:26,920 --> 01:44:30,520
Speaker 1: do everything you can do in your power to completely

1921
01:44:30,680 --> 01:44:34,559
Speaker 1: lift up and support this person so that they can succeed.

1922
01:44:35,080 --> 01:44:40,040
Speaker 1: Because the Jets drafted Sam Darnald in the first round

1923
01:44:40,640 --> 01:44:43,240
Speaker 1: and it was the third pick of that NFL the

1924
01:44:43,360 --> 01:44:46,640
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen NFL draft, Josh Allen got drafted later than

1925
01:44:46,680 --> 01:44:48,680
Speaker 1: Sam Darnold. I mean, we we all know that. But

1926
01:44:50,120 --> 01:44:54,040
Speaker 1: they failed to do everything they could and their powered

1927
01:44:54,200 --> 01:44:57,320
Speaker 1: to help this kid out. They failed, in our perspective

1928
01:44:57,640 --> 01:44:59,519
Speaker 1: from being in the division watch the guy, because we

1929
01:44:59,600 --> 01:45:01,479
Speaker 1: see the guy and we say, may you know he's

1930
01:45:01,479 --> 01:45:04,759
Speaker 1: a problem. We we got some respect for Sam Darnold

1931
01:45:04,800 --> 01:45:07,800
Speaker 1: here in Buffalo. You've seen the guy play. He was

1932
01:45:07,800 --> 01:45:09,840
Speaker 1: a good player in college and you know there he's

1933
01:45:09,880 --> 01:45:14,200
Speaker 1: given the Bills fits. And like he said, like Mark

1934
01:45:14,720 --> 01:45:18,080
Speaker 1: Mike Sandoe said, his signature game was kind of a

1935
01:45:18,160 --> 01:45:19,840
Speaker 1: Bills game, or maybe it was, you know, as Brian

1936
01:45:19,920 --> 01:45:23,120
Speaker 1: Costello said, that was Sam's signature game was an early

1937
01:45:23,160 --> 01:45:25,200
Speaker 1: game against Buffalo that was kind of his thing. But

1938
01:45:25,320 --> 01:45:27,280
Speaker 1: there's been too few of them. So maybe we and

1939
01:45:27,320 --> 01:45:30,519
Speaker 1: Buffalo have a little elevated level of respect for Sam

1940
01:45:30,640 --> 01:45:34,680
Speaker 1: Darnald that other teams don't. But from our perspective, we

1941
01:45:34,840 --> 01:45:38,600
Speaker 1: see things that make give us hope for him and

1942
01:45:38,760 --> 01:45:41,360
Speaker 1: respect for him, not the things that drag him down.

1943
01:45:41,400 --> 01:45:47,160
Speaker 1: And I think when a team, and here's the issue, fundamentally,

1944
01:45:47,240 --> 01:45:50,920
Speaker 1: we see a team sour on a quarterback, but we

1945
01:45:51,040 --> 01:45:54,560
Speaker 1: see a team sour on a quarterback, because also in

1946
01:45:54,680 --> 01:45:56,920
Speaker 1: the same time we see them getting a new coach

1947
01:45:57,160 --> 01:46:01,120
Speaker 1: and a new offensive coordinator who don't have any tie

1948
01:46:01,280 --> 01:46:06,240
Speaker 1: to that quarterback. Are they souring on him for what

1949
01:46:06,360 --> 01:46:08,280
Speaker 1: they've seen and what they've talked to him about and

1950
01:46:08,360 --> 01:46:10,120
Speaker 1: what they've done on the field with him. Probably not.

1951
01:46:10,240 --> 01:46:12,160
Speaker 1: They haven't even been on the field with Sam Darnald,

1952
01:46:13,479 --> 01:46:15,360
Speaker 1: or we just saying what they see on film, and

1953
01:46:15,400 --> 01:46:18,840
Speaker 1: maybe they see some different things than we do about

1954
01:46:18,920 --> 01:46:22,640
Speaker 1: Sam Darnald. Did the coach, did Robert Sala and his

1955
01:46:22,800 --> 01:46:26,559
Speaker 1: offensive staff sour on Sam Darnald and give the okay

1956
01:46:26,640 --> 01:46:28,640
Speaker 1: to the organization to get rid of him? Or was

1957
01:46:28,720 --> 01:46:30,559
Speaker 1: it the general managers saying now, I'm going to make

1958
01:46:30,640 --> 01:46:32,400
Speaker 1: this move because I want to clear the decks for

1959
01:46:32,479 --> 01:46:35,759
Speaker 1: a new quarterback that I'm going to pick. Well. Joe Douglas,

1960
01:46:35,920 --> 01:46:38,320
Speaker 1: the Jets GM, is currently talking to media right now,

1961
01:46:38,400 --> 01:46:40,920
Speaker 1: and so a couple of quotes are coming out on

1962
01:46:41,080 --> 01:46:44,400
Speaker 1: this currently. And here's what Joe Douglas had to say

1963
01:46:45,080 --> 01:46:47,680
Speaker 1: on Sam Darnald. He said, having the number two pick,

1964
01:46:47,760 --> 01:46:50,320
Speaker 1: I think it's safe to say if our pick was

1965
01:46:50,360 --> 01:46:53,520
Speaker 1: a little bit later, we wouldn't be having this discussion

1966
01:46:53,640 --> 01:46:56,640
Speaker 1: right now. We'd be comfortable moving ahead with Sam. I

1967
01:46:56,720 --> 01:47:00,120
Speaker 1: think that's completely fair. I mean, you do how the

1968
01:47:00,240 --> 01:47:02,360
Speaker 1: number two pick? Are you gonna take it? Are you

1969
01:47:02,439 --> 01:47:07,559
Speaker 1: gonna trade and trade it? And so someone asked if

1970
01:47:08,120 --> 01:47:10,560
Speaker 1: it's fair to say are they locked in at a quarterback?

1971
01:47:10,800 --> 01:47:13,360
Speaker 1: And he said, I think that's a fair assessment to

1972
01:47:13,479 --> 01:47:16,360
Speaker 1: say you can kind of see the direction we're heading.

1973
01:47:18,560 --> 01:47:21,240
Speaker 1: No kidding, I could have done the same thing with

1974
01:47:21,360 --> 01:47:24,600
Speaker 1: Sam Darnold. Then you got two guys. You may you

1975
01:47:24,720 --> 01:47:26,960
Speaker 1: may have two guys now you don't even know if

1976
01:47:27,000 --> 01:47:31,439
Speaker 1: you got one. Maybe that's our Twitter pull for tomorrow.

1977
01:47:32,880 --> 01:47:35,680
Speaker 1: What we can continue the Sam Darnald conversation. Would you

1978
01:47:35,800 --> 01:47:38,200
Speaker 1: rather have Zach Wilson and Sam Darnald or would you

1979
01:47:38,280 --> 01:47:42,320
Speaker 1: rather just have Zach Wilson? Right? Would you rather have

1980
01:47:42,479 --> 01:47:46,320
Speaker 1: Sam and Zach or just Zach which you don't have yet?

1981
01:47:48,240 --> 01:47:56,080
Speaker 1: I mean, to me, it's crazy. It's absolutely crazy to

1982
01:47:56,200 --> 01:47:58,080
Speaker 1: get rid of a guy like Sam dar for a

1983
01:47:58,160 --> 01:48:05,200
Speaker 1: number two pick he's got, he's twenty three, twenty three,

1984
01:48:06,360 --> 01:48:10,000
Speaker 1: and the team has deteriorated around him. Not they haven't

1985
01:48:10,040 --> 01:48:13,080
Speaker 1: built it around him, they've torn it down around him,

1986
01:48:14,200 --> 01:48:19,200
Speaker 1: and they're gonna So what if even even listen what

1987
01:48:19,280 --> 01:48:23,519
Speaker 1: if saying what if what if Sam Darnold goes to

1988
01:48:25,680 --> 01:48:32,519
Speaker 1: Carolina and even has a career like like Andy Dalton

1989
01:48:33,360 --> 01:48:36,000
Speaker 1: playoffs every year, four straight losses in the first round,

1990
01:48:36,000 --> 01:48:39,759
Speaker 1: but that that's an improvement for the Jets, a big improvement.

1991
01:48:39,800 --> 01:48:41,320
Speaker 1: They'd be in the playoffs every year, they'd be in

1992
01:48:41,360 --> 01:48:42,680
Speaker 1: the in the middle of it. They'd be in the

1993
01:48:42,720 --> 01:48:44,600
Speaker 1: middle of it. They always have a shot at it.

1994
01:48:45,000 --> 01:48:46,760
Speaker 1: Or what if you know, what if he goes and

1995
01:48:46,840 --> 01:48:50,200
Speaker 1: has a career like Ryan Tannehill's having where he leaves

1996
01:48:50,240 --> 01:48:53,160
Speaker 1: the Dolphins and goes to Tennessee and gets way better,

1997
01:48:53,360 --> 01:48:56,240
Speaker 1: which is what Carolina is counting on. By the way,

1998
01:48:58,160 --> 01:49:01,559
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just think that's I just think

1999
01:49:01,600 --> 01:49:04,519
Speaker 1: it's I think it's a dumb move to get rid

2000
01:49:04,560 --> 01:49:07,960
Speaker 1: of a quarterback who may be a really, really good

2001
01:49:08,040 --> 01:49:11,679
Speaker 1: quarterback because you're still gonna have Zach Wilson in your stable,

2002
01:49:13,000 --> 01:49:15,320
Speaker 1: and you're gonna have Zach Wilson getting better and better

2003
01:49:15,400 --> 01:49:17,920
Speaker 1: and proving where he doesn't have to deal with New

2004
01:49:18,000 --> 01:49:20,639
Speaker 1: York media, where like Sam Darnold has for the last

2005
01:49:20,720 --> 01:49:23,840
Speaker 1: three years. You can build the team the exact same

2006
01:49:24,040 --> 01:49:27,720
Speaker 1: way you would around Zach Wilson with Sam Darnald there

2007
01:49:27,960 --> 01:49:31,840
Speaker 1: to take the heat while he incubates, so to speak,

2008
01:49:34,760 --> 01:49:38,280
Speaker 1: It makes it just makes absolutely no sense to me.

2009
01:49:39,200 --> 01:49:42,240
Speaker 1: Only time will tell with what we'll see if if

2010
01:49:42,360 --> 01:49:45,680
Speaker 1: the Jets usual have Zach Wilson and we'll see if

2011
01:49:45,760 --> 01:49:48,840
Speaker 1: he's able to be successful in that system around Robert

2012
01:49:48,920 --> 01:49:52,240
Speaker 1: salin We'll see what happens in Carolina with Sam Darnold

2013
01:49:52,280 --> 01:49:56,960
Speaker 1: who's reuniting with with Robbie Anderson and has Christian McCaffrey

2014
01:49:57,320 --> 01:49:59,840
Speaker 1: on his team. This thing about clearing the decks and like,

2015
01:50:00,160 --> 01:50:03,880
Speaker 1: I want a competition, but that's media. Oh, you don't

2016
01:50:03,880 --> 01:50:06,160
Speaker 1: care what the media. You should not care. Yeah, what

2017
01:50:06,320 --> 01:50:10,360
Speaker 1: they say, you should not care, You should not care.

2018
01:50:11,479 --> 01:50:14,320
Speaker 1: You gotta give this, give these guys a chance, because

2019
01:50:14,320 --> 01:50:18,560
Speaker 1: if if even if Zach if Darneld plays half a

2020
01:50:18,600 --> 01:50:20,680
Speaker 1: season or a full season then still not the guy.

2021
01:50:20,840 --> 01:50:23,400
Speaker 1: Then now Zach Wilson comes in, you get to pick him.

2022
01:50:24,080 --> 01:50:27,479
Speaker 1: You get a chance to get then even Zach. If

2023
01:50:27,600 --> 01:50:31,439
Speaker 1: Zach Wilson doesn't And this is totally being cynical and selfish.

2024
01:50:31,680 --> 01:50:36,120
Speaker 1: Even if Zach Wilson's not the guy, Robert Salah is

2025
01:50:36,200 --> 01:50:38,040
Speaker 1: not tied as much to him, as he would be

2026
01:50:38,160 --> 01:50:39,880
Speaker 1: Sam Darnel. You know what I mean, They can make

2027
01:50:39,920 --> 01:50:41,880
Speaker 1: that transition. Say listen, look, we're gonna find a guy.

2028
01:50:42,080 --> 01:50:43,960
Speaker 1: We had him, we watched him. We don't know if

2029
01:50:44,000 --> 01:50:46,160
Speaker 1: he's the guy or now we got a chance he's

2030
01:50:46,200 --> 01:50:48,320
Speaker 1: gonna play we think he's got or even if he's

2031
01:50:48,360 --> 01:50:51,240
Speaker 1: not gonna be the guy. You should know if he's

2032
01:50:51,240 --> 01:50:53,040
Speaker 1: got a chance or not after a year or two

2033
01:50:53,160 --> 01:50:57,240
Speaker 1: years underneath Sam Darnold playing or finishing out his contract.

2034
01:50:57,439 --> 01:51:01,679
Speaker 1: There's no reason to pull that trip. The only reason

2035
01:51:02,080 --> 01:51:05,760
Speaker 1: is what the twenty three The money? Yeah, the money, money,

2036
01:51:06,000 --> 01:51:12,080
Speaker 1: the money you gotta pay Sam Darnold. We're gonna let

2037
01:51:12,160 --> 01:51:14,560
Speaker 1: Steve take a breather, and we are gonna go to

2038
01:51:14,840 --> 01:51:17,160
Speaker 1: the phone lines because we've got a call in here.

2039
01:51:17,479 --> 01:51:22,320
Speaker 1: It's Randy from Amherst. Hey, Randy, you're on with us

2040
01:51:22,400 --> 01:51:25,880
Speaker 1: on one Bill's Live. Thanks for calling in to be

2041
01:51:25,960 --> 01:51:28,720
Speaker 1: a part of the conversation. We see that you've got

2042
01:51:28,800 --> 01:51:32,680
Speaker 1: a question maybe about Mitchell Trubisky. Yeah, I was. I

2043
01:51:32,840 --> 01:51:35,559
Speaker 1: was thinking that, you know, Buffalo signed him, and obviously

2044
01:51:36,240 --> 01:51:38,320
Speaker 1: you know we just signed him and stuff, but is

2045
01:51:38,360 --> 01:51:41,760
Speaker 1: there possibly to use him as as trade bait? With

2046
01:51:41,840 --> 01:51:44,639
Speaker 1: all the quarterbacks floating around and uh, you know, if

2047
01:51:44,720 --> 01:51:48,720
Speaker 1: not this year, maybe next year. M Yeah, you're not

2048
01:51:48,800 --> 01:51:51,680
Speaker 1: gonna get much for him. All I know, too, is

2049
01:51:51,800 --> 01:51:55,320
Speaker 1: that there were other teams interested in Mitch Trubisky. He

2050
01:51:55,439 --> 01:51:58,599
Speaker 1: took less money to come to Buffalo because he wanted

2051
01:51:58,640 --> 01:52:01,479
Speaker 1: to work with this coaching staff. I don't think this

2052
01:52:01,640 --> 01:52:04,080
Speaker 1: coaching staff or this organization is the kind of team

2053
01:52:04,120 --> 01:52:07,040
Speaker 1: that would tell a guy what they told or reportedly

2054
01:52:07,120 --> 01:52:10,439
Speaker 1: told Mitch Trubisky and then trade him. I don't think

2055
01:52:10,479 --> 01:52:13,960
Speaker 1: they do that. I think they think they they've got

2056
01:52:14,040 --> 01:52:18,160
Speaker 1: Mitch Trubisky for a reason. This year coming up. They

2057
01:52:18,280 --> 01:52:20,839
Speaker 1: think they've got a chance to swing for the fences

2058
01:52:21,760 --> 01:52:25,200
Speaker 1: and if something happens to Josh, that's not season ending.

2059
01:52:25,720 --> 01:52:29,320
Speaker 1: Only maybe you know, a week, two weeks, or a month.

2060
01:52:29,960 --> 01:52:32,240
Speaker 1: They got a guy like Mitch Trubisky who could come

2061
01:52:32,320 --> 01:52:34,439
Speaker 1: in and really play well enough for them to win

2062
01:52:35,040 --> 01:52:38,479
Speaker 1: given their offensive weapons. So I don't, Yes, they could

2063
01:52:38,560 --> 01:52:42,240
Speaker 1: trade him, but I think it's really really unlikely that

2064
01:52:42,360 --> 01:52:49,080
Speaker 1: they would. Thanks Randy, I just thought, you know, maybe

2065
01:52:49,160 --> 01:52:51,560
Speaker 1: down the road, because Josh is obviously going to be

2066
01:52:51,680 --> 01:52:55,640
Speaker 1: the man that you know, maybe like say, if he

2067
01:52:55,760 --> 01:52:58,559
Speaker 1: does come in, he's able to play a little bit

2068
01:52:58,600 --> 01:53:01,400
Speaker 1: because Josh keff Her or something right that his trade

2069
01:53:01,760 --> 01:53:04,040
Speaker 1: trade value would go off next year. Well it would,

2070
01:53:04,040 --> 01:53:06,160
Speaker 1: but he's only on a one year deal, Randy. He

2071
01:53:06,240 --> 01:53:08,160
Speaker 1: signed a one year deal hoping to get back into

2072
01:53:08,200 --> 01:53:11,120
Speaker 1: the market next year. So what for Trubisky And thanks

2073
01:53:11,160 --> 01:53:14,680
Speaker 1: for a call for Trubisky. Here's his idea. Come in,

2074
01:53:15,320 --> 01:53:17,880
Speaker 1: learn the offensive system, get a few weeks into the season,

2075
01:53:18,200 --> 01:53:21,479
Speaker 1: take over for Josh Allen for like two or three

2076
01:53:21,560 --> 01:53:24,240
Speaker 1: weeks or whatever, and then go back to the bench.

2077
01:53:24,479 --> 01:53:26,640
Speaker 1: During those two or three weeks, you knock it out

2078
01:53:26,680 --> 01:53:28,639
Speaker 1: of the park. You play really well, and then Josh

2079
01:53:28,680 --> 01:53:30,240
Speaker 1: comes back. You're going you win the super Bowl and

2080
01:53:30,280 --> 01:53:32,200
Speaker 1: the whole thing, and you're a reason why they got

2081
01:53:32,280 --> 01:53:34,000
Speaker 1: to buy in the first week because you won a

2082
01:53:34,080 --> 01:53:36,080
Speaker 1: couple of games as a starter. Then you hit the

2083
01:53:36,160 --> 01:53:39,439
Speaker 1: free agent market next year and Trubisky signs a big deal.

2084
01:53:39,720 --> 01:53:42,800
Speaker 1: That's the best case scenario for Trubisky. Yeah, I mean

2085
01:53:43,880 --> 01:53:46,040
Speaker 1: I don't I don't want him to go anywhere else.

2086
01:53:46,200 --> 01:53:48,560
Speaker 1: I think we have the best backup quarterback in the

2087
01:53:48,720 --> 01:53:51,599
Speaker 1: NFL right now. Yeah, I think some other people. Yeah,

2088
01:53:51,720 --> 01:53:55,800
Speaker 1: who has a starting quarterback who has four years of

2089
01:53:55,920 --> 01:54:00,759
Speaker 1: starting experience, a winning record, a winning record on their team,

2090
01:54:01,680 --> 01:54:06,160
Speaker 1: sitting there ready to play if Josh Allen goes down

2091
01:54:06,240 --> 01:54:08,680
Speaker 1: and knock on wood. Josh Allen does not go down

2092
01:54:08,760 --> 01:54:11,519
Speaker 1: this year because I don't. I don't want that to

2093
01:54:11,560 --> 01:54:14,920
Speaker 1: happen it and none of us do. Right, that's interesting question.

2094
01:54:15,000 --> 01:54:21,080
Speaker 1: Who's who's got a better start backup quarterback than Buffalo

2095
01:54:21,280 --> 01:54:23,280
Speaker 1: right now? Because you have to go down the list

2096
01:54:25,640 --> 01:54:28,679
Speaker 1: the Bears with Nick Foles or is he a backup?

2097
01:54:28,680 --> 01:54:31,479
Speaker 1: He's probably not the backup anymore? Right, Well, yeah he is.

2098
01:54:32,040 --> 01:54:35,760
Speaker 1: Who's who's their starter? Carson Wentz? No, no, no, the Bears,

2099
01:54:35,920 --> 01:54:39,000
Speaker 1: the Bears. Carson Wentz is not the Bears. He's with

2100
01:54:39,040 --> 01:54:44,120
Speaker 1: Indianapolis Andy oh Andy Dalton, that's right, Yeah, okay, so

2101
01:54:44,320 --> 01:54:46,040
Speaker 1: Nick Foles might be that guy. I might be in

2102
01:54:46,040 --> 01:54:48,920
Speaker 1: the running for the best backup. Yeah Dalton's yeah. Okay,

2103
01:54:48,960 --> 01:54:54,480
Speaker 1: so yeah, that's pretty good. That's pretty get back up there.

2104
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Speaker 1: That is. Drubisky's right up there for the best backup

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01:54:58,800 --> 01:55:01,000
Speaker 1: because I can't even think of backup quarterbacks. I mean,

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01:55:01,040 --> 01:55:05,880
Speaker 1: I went down the list for you backup quarterbacks. That's

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01:55:07,400 --> 01:55:09,680
Speaker 1: I have no idea, who, like, who's the backup in

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01:55:09,720 --> 01:55:17,760
Speaker 1: Arizona and LA for either of those teams. That's yeah,

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01:55:17,920 --> 01:55:21,680
Speaker 1: mister Trubisky may be one of the backup quarterback. I

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01:55:21,760 --> 01:55:25,400
Speaker 1: mean I'm biased here talking, of course, but no, Teddy

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01:55:25,440 --> 01:55:30,160
Speaker 1: Bridgewaters got it. If if, if, yeah, he stays, if

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01:55:30,240 --> 01:55:33,840
Speaker 1: Sam Arnald's starter in Carolina and Teddy Bridgewater stays there,

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01:55:33,920 --> 01:55:36,080
Speaker 1: he may be the guy that's the best backup quarterback

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01:55:36,120 --> 01:55:37,760
Speaker 1: in the league. If he turns out to be a

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01:55:37,840 --> 01:55:40,960
Speaker 1: backup or Sam Darnold could be the best backup in

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01:55:41,000 --> 01:55:43,040
Speaker 1: the league if you want to make that case that

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01:55:43,160 --> 01:55:46,720
Speaker 1: he's better than Turbisky. Yeah, which you might get. Some

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01:55:46,760 --> 01:55:51,960
Speaker 1: people would argue, who's backing up who's backing up Matt Ryan? Oh?

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01:55:52,040 --> 01:55:56,760
Speaker 1: It was Matt Shaw, but now he retired, right, Okay, Yeah,

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01:55:56,960 --> 01:56:00,560
Speaker 1: that that's another quarterbacks Teddy we gotta do you know

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01:56:00,720 --> 01:56:03,920
Speaker 1: that's tomorrow's study. As I'm talking all this quarterback step.

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01:56:03,920 --> 01:56:06,040
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think the Bills like Trubisky and the

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01:56:06,200 --> 01:56:09,440
Speaker 1: and Randy the caller said, maybe they're going to elevate

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01:56:09,480 --> 01:56:11,480
Speaker 1: his trade status. There's no way. I don't think that

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01:56:11,520 --> 01:56:17,240
Speaker 1: the Bills will trade Trubisky unless Trubisky signs off on it. Yeah,

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01:56:17,360 --> 01:56:19,120
Speaker 1: I think they would give him that courtesy after what

2127
01:56:19,240 --> 01:56:21,920
Speaker 1: the conversations that they reportedly had with him to sign him,

2128
01:56:22,400 --> 01:56:24,880
Speaker 1: say listen, we'll give you all the support you want,

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01:56:25,000 --> 01:56:28,600
Speaker 1: unless you know, somebody says, listen, we need a starter, like,

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01:56:29,040 --> 01:56:32,880
Speaker 1: for instance, New Orleans Saints call up the Bills, we

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01:56:32,960 --> 01:56:34,960
Speaker 1: want Trubisky to come down to start for us. They

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01:56:35,240 --> 01:56:37,000
Speaker 1: the Bills would say Mitch, do you want to do it?

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01:56:38,440 --> 01:56:42,080
Speaker 1: And Mitch could say, yeah, I want to start. That

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01:56:42,240 --> 01:56:45,480
Speaker 1: could have you know that that kind of thing. I

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01:56:45,560 --> 01:56:47,880
Speaker 1: don't know though, Yeah, I don't know if that happens

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01:56:48,000 --> 01:56:50,960
Speaker 1: this year, just one year deal with the Bills. Yeah.

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01:56:51,200 --> 01:56:53,800
Speaker 1: I think a call like that would only happen if

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01:56:53,840 --> 01:56:57,400
Speaker 1: a team was in dire need for a quarterback and

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01:56:57,920 --> 01:57:01,800
Speaker 1: their option and backup wasn't wasn't going to be the

2140
01:57:01,840 --> 01:57:04,919
Speaker 1: answer there, Or maybe they got through their starting quarterback

2141
01:57:05,000 --> 01:57:07,400
Speaker 1: and their backup and now they're onto their third stringer.

2142
01:57:07,480 --> 01:57:09,960
Speaker 1: They're signing a guy and they need to they need

2143
01:57:10,040 --> 01:57:13,400
Speaker 1: to reach out and fill someone for the rest scenarios

2144
01:57:13,480 --> 01:57:17,800
Speaker 1: during training camp, you know where teams lose a couple

2145
01:57:17,840 --> 01:57:19,920
Speaker 1: of quarterbacks over the week or two of training camp,

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01:57:20,000 --> 01:57:22,560
Speaker 1: before their first preseason game, or even during their preseason games,

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01:57:22,640 --> 01:57:25,720
Speaker 1: guy gets hurt in the game and they they're bereft

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01:57:25,800 --> 01:57:28,400
Speaker 1: of anybody, then they could they could say hey. And

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01:57:28,520 --> 01:57:31,200
Speaker 1: even then though the Bills would say talk to Mitch,

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01:57:31,280 --> 01:57:34,000
Speaker 1: say Mitch, we're getting these offers for you, because and

2151
01:57:34,160 --> 01:57:39,080
Speaker 1: he could say you know, yeah, or say yeah right,

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01:57:39,160 --> 01:57:42,480
Speaker 1: so yeah, the Bills aren't. I don't think Trubisky is

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01:57:42,520 --> 01:57:46,720
Speaker 1: on is tradeable right at this point? Nope. And I

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01:57:46,800 --> 01:57:48,720
Speaker 1: don't know if he would well, I mean, I guess

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01:57:48,960 --> 01:57:50,760
Speaker 1: you would want to be if you could be, and

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01:57:51,200 --> 01:57:53,280
Speaker 1: if that meant you were getting back into a starting role.

2157
01:57:53,360 --> 01:57:57,320
Speaker 1: But like the point you made, um, he is here

2158
01:57:57,400 --> 01:57:59,840
Speaker 1: because he wants to learn under Josh Allen and be

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01:58:00,000 --> 01:58:03,520
Speaker 1: in this system, and I think this system fits his

2160
01:58:03,720 --> 01:58:05,880
Speaker 1: type of style play and I think that's what was

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01:58:06,000 --> 01:58:09,560
Speaker 1: lacking for him with the Chicago Bears. Can the Chicago

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01:58:09,640 --> 01:58:12,720
Speaker 1: Bears now figure it out with Andy Dalton as they're

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01:58:13,040 --> 01:58:16,400
Speaker 1: starting quarterback in Nick Foles backing them up. That's a

2164
01:58:16,480 --> 01:58:18,920
Speaker 1: great question. But I think that coaching staff is at

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01:58:18,960 --> 01:58:25,520
Speaker 1: the end of their leash and what they're able to do. Yeah, yeah,

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01:58:25,760 --> 01:58:28,440
Speaker 1: And that's do they think that Andy Dalton is going

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01:58:28,480 --> 01:58:30,880
Speaker 1: to be the future for the Chicago Bears. Do you

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01:58:31,040 --> 01:58:33,720
Speaker 1: take someone like Andy Dalton thinking that that's gonna be

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01:58:35,160 --> 01:58:37,440
Speaker 1: your new guy? You gonna give you four years? Is

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01:58:37,480 --> 01:58:40,120
Speaker 1: that your window? Yeah? And if he's playing well, you're

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01:58:40,160 --> 01:58:42,880
Speaker 1: not gonna pick up anybody better than him in the draft.

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01:58:43,360 --> 01:58:45,880
Speaker 1: If you're gonna be nine and seven, ten and six,

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01:58:45,960 --> 01:58:50,080
Speaker 1: eleven and five, you're not gonna You're gonna draft twenty

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01:58:50,560 --> 01:58:54,560
Speaker 1: twenty six, twenty eight, even eighteenth, you're not going anywhere.

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01:58:54,560 --> 01:58:56,520
Speaker 1: You're not getting anybody in the draft with those numbers.

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01:58:57,080 --> 01:59:01,240
Speaker 1: Do the Colts take Carson Wentz and think that that's

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01:59:01,280 --> 01:59:03,560
Speaker 1: going to be their guy for more than four years?

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01:59:03,680 --> 01:59:06,880
Speaker 1: Those are two great questions. And I got Carson Wentz

2179
01:59:06,920 --> 01:59:09,200
Speaker 1: and Andy Dalton confused because I know that the Bears

2180
01:59:09,240 --> 01:59:11,320
Speaker 1: were interested in both of those guys, and the Colts

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01:59:11,360 --> 01:59:14,040
Speaker 1: went after Carson Wentz first, and got Carson Wentz first,

2182
01:59:14,080 --> 01:59:16,600
Speaker 1: of course, because of that connection that he has with

2183
01:59:16,720 --> 01:59:19,360
Speaker 1: Frank Wright. You can see a decade with Carson Wentz though.

2184
01:59:19,640 --> 01:59:24,000
Speaker 1: That's right. Carson Wentz flourished under Frank Reich. Yeah. With

2185
01:59:24,200 --> 01:59:27,240
Speaker 1: the Eagles, Yeah, we'll see. It's a lot of interesting

2186
01:59:27,280 --> 01:59:29,400
Speaker 1: stuff going on, I think, and I told Maddie this,

2187
01:59:29,680 --> 01:59:31,200
Speaker 1: you look at the draft. Top of the draft of

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01:59:31,240 --> 01:59:34,120
Speaker 1: the NFL. The Falcons came out today and said they

2189
01:59:34,120 --> 01:59:38,720
Speaker 1: are getting calls about their number four overall pick, and

2190
01:59:38,880 --> 01:59:42,240
Speaker 1: I think teams are going to jump for it. I

2191
01:59:42,320 --> 01:59:43,720
Speaker 1: think they're going to move out of that pick. But

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01:59:43,800 --> 01:59:46,560
Speaker 1: I think, well, it could happen anytime, at any moment,

2193
01:59:47,200 --> 01:59:49,080
Speaker 1: but I think it's going to happen on draft day.

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01:59:50,400 --> 01:59:53,320
Speaker 1: On Draft Day, because they're going to find out which

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01:59:53,440 --> 01:59:57,240
Speaker 1: quarterbacks are still there, whether it's Fields, Trey Lance or

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01:59:57,760 --> 01:59:59,560
Speaker 1: one of the other guys. Yeah, it would be crazy

2197
01:59:59,600 --> 02:00:02,320
Speaker 1: to see quarterback go one, two, three, four, Mac Jones

2198
02:00:02,440 --> 02:00:04,960
Speaker 1: one of those. Somebody's gonna be left on the board

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02:00:04,960 --> 02:00:07,040
Speaker 1: at four and teams are gonna say, okay, is it

2200
02:00:07,120 --> 02:00:09,120
Speaker 1: our guy? Well let's get him, and they'll jump up

2201
02:00:09,120 --> 02:00:13,080
Speaker 1: to a land and get him. Maybe it'll be an

2202
02:00:13,200 --> 02:00:16,080
Speaker 1: interesting NFL draft. But we've got to take a break.

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Speaker 1: More of this conversation coming up next. Stay with us

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02:00:19,880 --> 02:00:22,080
Speaker 1: here One Bills Live presented by Clyde to Health. This

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02:00:22,280 --> 02:00:39,560
Speaker 1: is Buffalo Bills Radio. We'll back on One Bills Live.

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Speaker 1: It's just after two thirty, so we've gone until three

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Speaker 1: o'clock here on a Tuesday afternoon, hopefully when we step outside,

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02:00:48,680 --> 02:00:51,320
Speaker 1: it's gonna be nice and sunny and warm. I saw

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Speaker 1: on Thursday it's gonna be like seventy seven. I might

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02:00:55,080 --> 02:01:00,600
Speaker 1: just call him six six. Enjoy enjoy the weather outside,

2211
02:01:00,840 --> 02:01:04,600
Speaker 1: Let you host the show and be our analysts and

2212
02:01:04,720 --> 02:01:06,760
Speaker 1: all of it. Just kidding. I would not do that

2213
02:01:06,880 --> 02:01:09,000
Speaker 1: to you while Chris Brown is out for the week,

2214
02:01:09,040 --> 02:01:12,320
Speaker 1: so you're stuck with Chrown. I'm stuck with Steve Tasker

2215
02:01:12,400 --> 02:01:14,600
Speaker 1: and I all week. But yeah, that's what Chris Brown

2216
02:01:14,720 --> 02:01:17,640
Speaker 1: is doing. He is enjoying the week as he should.

2217
02:01:17,880 --> 02:01:22,120
Speaker 1: Everybody deserves a week, multiple weeks after you know, the

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02:01:22,480 --> 02:01:25,840
Speaker 1: six months of working basically seven days a week that

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02:01:25,960 --> 02:01:28,400
Speaker 1: we all do. So it's nice to take some time

2220
02:01:28,520 --> 02:01:31,840
Speaker 1: here in the off season. But we've been talking about quarterbacks,

2221
02:01:32,000 --> 02:01:37,200
Speaker 1: backup quarterbacks. Could the Bills trade Mitch Trubisky for something

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02:01:37,240 --> 02:01:41,240
Speaker 1: else if a team is in dire need of a quarterback,

2223
02:01:41,600 --> 02:01:44,760
Speaker 1: who's got the best backups in the NFL. And we've

2224
02:01:44,800 --> 02:01:48,880
Speaker 1: got another caller. It's Art from deput He's got a

2225
02:01:49,000 --> 02:01:52,280
Speaker 1: question on just the trades that we've seen in our

2226
02:01:52,360 --> 02:01:56,320
Speaker 1: Bills history. Art, you're on with us, Thanks for calling in.

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Speaker 1: It's Steve and Maddie. What would you like to discuss? Hi? Guys.

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02:02:00,640 --> 02:02:02,840
Speaker 1: First of all, I've been watching you for a long time.

2229
02:02:02,960 --> 02:02:05,760
Speaker 1: First time caller, how I got a few things to

2230
02:02:05,800 --> 02:02:08,160
Speaker 1: ask you if you've got a couple of minutes. How

2231
02:02:08,280 --> 02:02:13,360
Speaker 1: about backup quarterbacks as our own Fitzpatrick was. This guy

2232
02:02:13,920 --> 02:02:17,400
Speaker 1: is around and around and around, and he's proven through

2233
02:02:17,480 --> 02:02:20,160
Speaker 1: his whole time. What a great to me? He's a

2234
02:02:20,240 --> 02:02:23,320
Speaker 1: great quarterback, not a great great, but you could put

2235
02:02:23,440 --> 02:02:26,280
Speaker 1: him any place and he's going to bring your team

2236
02:02:26,360 --> 02:02:30,240
Speaker 1: through when it's needed. What do you think about that? Guys? Yeah,

2237
02:02:30,280 --> 02:02:32,360
Speaker 1: I think he's great. But he's gonna he's gonna be

2238
02:02:32,480 --> 02:02:36,160
Speaker 1: coach playing for the Washington football team this year. I mean,

2239
02:02:36,360 --> 02:02:38,960
Speaker 1: they gave him a chance to start, so that's where

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02:02:39,000 --> 02:02:40,440
Speaker 1: he's at now. But I agree with you he has

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02:02:40,480 --> 02:02:43,839
Speaker 1: had a unique, if not great, a certainly a unique

2242
02:02:43,840 --> 02:02:48,640
Speaker 1: and special career in the NFL. Everybody loves fitz That's

2243
02:02:48,920 --> 02:02:51,520
Speaker 1: exactly right. And a couple of other things that I

2244
02:02:51,640 --> 02:02:53,880
Speaker 1: have now, Steve, I know you're going to be able

2245
02:02:53,880 --> 02:02:57,600
Speaker 1: to remember this. I'm getting brain fogged. The quarterback that

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02:02:57,760 --> 02:03:01,880
Speaker 1: we we drafted, he was before Tyrod Taylor. You know

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02:03:02,000 --> 02:03:05,760
Speaker 1: this is uh they never you talked about getting a

2248
02:03:05,840 --> 02:03:08,600
Speaker 1: quarterback right and training him right. I think he would

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02:03:08,640 --> 02:03:11,360
Speaker 1: have been a really good one, except he never was

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02:03:11,480 --> 02:03:15,000
Speaker 1: handled right when we got him. He broke They broke

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02:03:15,160 --> 02:03:20,040
Speaker 1: his leg in training. Uh. And he never did come back,

2252
02:03:20,120 --> 02:03:22,320
Speaker 1: and he started for a while, and then it just

2253
02:03:22,680 --> 02:03:25,160
Speaker 1: was like a washout. And a guy in college was

2254
02:03:25,960 --> 02:03:28,480
Speaker 1: really really good. I don't know if you can remember.

2255
02:03:28,600 --> 02:03:34,400
Speaker 1: His name is EJ. Manuel No, no, no, no, Lossman

2256
02:03:34,480 --> 02:03:37,640
Speaker 1: there it is. I think Lossman would have been such

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02:03:37,720 --> 02:03:41,680
Speaker 1: a good quarterback. The guy never had time to be

2258
02:03:41,880 --> 02:03:45,480
Speaker 1: handled and taught properly. And you, like you, you're right.

2259
02:03:45,520 --> 02:03:48,360
Speaker 1: You can't just take a quarterback that's great in college,

2260
02:03:48,760 --> 02:03:51,040
Speaker 1: throw him into thing and say here you go, you know,

2261
02:03:51,360 --> 02:03:55,440
Speaker 1: and what they're doing with with Joshi. I'm telling you,

2262
02:03:56,080 --> 02:03:58,760
Speaker 1: I'm sitting here waiting that the Bills win a win

2263
02:03:58,880 --> 02:04:02,120
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl before I die. And I've been watching

2264
02:04:02,160 --> 02:04:05,560
Speaker 1: the Bills and watching them for years from when they started,

2265
02:04:05,640 --> 02:04:07,840
Speaker 1: you know, And I'm getting close to that bad part

2266
02:04:07,920 --> 02:04:10,720
Speaker 1: of the time. But I think right now they got

2267
02:04:10,800 --> 02:04:13,640
Speaker 1: a chance. But there's one thing that I maybe you'll

2268
02:04:13,640 --> 02:04:15,960
Speaker 1: agree with me, maybe you're not in then I'll shut

2269
02:04:16,120 --> 02:04:20,040
Speaker 1: my big mouth as I think with Josh Allen, he's

2270
02:04:20,080 --> 02:04:22,680
Speaker 1: so good or great, I should say, and he's going

2271
02:04:22,760 --> 02:04:24,520
Speaker 1: to be really great, and I hope he's going to

2272
02:04:24,600 --> 02:04:26,920
Speaker 1: be our quarterback told the day he decides you to

2273
02:04:27,080 --> 02:04:30,640
Speaker 1: want to play ball anymore. But the thing that I'm

2274
02:04:30,720 --> 02:04:34,160
Speaker 1: wandering is all these teams load up because they know

2275
02:04:34,240 --> 02:04:36,080
Speaker 1: what Buffalo is going to do. They're gonna throw the ball,

2276
02:04:36,160 --> 02:04:39,120
Speaker 1: throw the ball, throw the ball. They to me, don't

2277
02:04:39,280 --> 02:04:43,840
Speaker 1: have that running game that's explosive enough that they gotta

2278
02:04:43,920 --> 02:04:47,160
Speaker 1: be aware that women. These guys gonna run anytime. And

2279
02:04:47,240 --> 02:04:49,480
Speaker 1: when they got a running back that's going to do that,

2280
02:04:50,120 --> 02:04:52,880
Speaker 1: and they're gonna have to really not load up on

2281
02:04:53,280 --> 02:04:55,000
Speaker 1: Josh Allen is going to throw the ball. Let's just

2282
02:04:55,160 --> 02:04:57,960
Speaker 1: do this. This is when that next little curve is

2283
02:04:57,960 --> 02:05:00,040
Speaker 1: gonna go over. And I'd love to see a I

2284
02:05:00,200 --> 02:05:02,160
Speaker 1: like Chubbs come in there, but you know, I mean,

2285
02:05:02,280 --> 02:05:05,440
Speaker 1: we need somebody like that. Then when he hits that line, boom,

2286
02:05:05,840 --> 02:05:08,360
Speaker 1: he's going so with that one. I listened to your

2287
02:05:08,400 --> 02:05:11,520
Speaker 1: answers and it was great talking with you. Thanks, Randy,

2288
02:05:11,560 --> 02:05:15,320
Speaker 1: appreciate it. Thanks for calling in art. That's art, not Randy.

2289
02:05:15,440 --> 02:05:20,360
Speaker 1: Thanks art Um. Here's my thought on that there's a

2290
02:05:20,400 --> 02:05:23,560
Speaker 1: lot in there. He's right, Josh is good, and they

2291
02:05:23,640 --> 02:05:26,920
Speaker 1: throw the football. But here's the thing. This offense doesn't

2292
02:05:26,920 --> 02:05:29,839
Speaker 1: need to be fixed. It doesn't need to be fixed.

2293
02:05:30,960 --> 02:05:33,200
Speaker 1: Into the sentence, you can say, hey, they'd be better

2294
02:05:33,240 --> 02:05:35,760
Speaker 1: for the running now. They don't need to. They don't

2295
02:05:35,760 --> 02:05:38,080
Speaker 1: need to run it more. They don't need to do it.

2296
02:05:38,480 --> 02:05:41,280
Speaker 1: They're scoreing thirty points a game. They're good. They're good

2297
02:05:41,400 --> 02:05:43,440
Speaker 1: enough offensively if they can score thirty points a game,

2298
02:05:43,440 --> 02:05:46,800
Speaker 1: they don't need to change anything. They're fine. So running back,

2299
02:05:46,840 --> 02:05:49,160
Speaker 1: this running back, that run game, this run game. Then

2300
02:05:49,240 --> 02:05:54,280
Speaker 1: I get it. But no, their their offense is does

2301
02:05:54,360 --> 02:05:57,880
Speaker 1: not need to be fixed or tweaked or evolved or

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02:05:57,960 --> 02:06:00,440
Speaker 1: whatever it's. It's doing great. It's gonna all over the

2303
02:06:00,480 --> 02:06:03,240
Speaker 1: course of it. When the players change. You know, Emmanuel

2304
02:06:03,240 --> 02:06:05,040
Speaker 1: Sanders is going to change it a little bit. Josh,

2305
02:06:05,040 --> 02:06:07,120
Speaker 1: You're gonna be better in some ways and other things.

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02:06:07,160 --> 02:06:10,520
Speaker 1: And it doesn't need to be fixed. And I think

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02:06:10,640 --> 02:06:13,120
Speaker 1: we can expect more from the run game this season.

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02:06:13,200 --> 02:06:15,200
Speaker 1: I don't think that's out of the question, just like

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Speaker 1: we're gonna expect more from the defensive line. I mean,

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Speaker 1: at the end of the season. Yes, the run game

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Speaker 1: did not play how we wanted it to to help

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Speaker 1: and to perform and to add to this offense. And

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Speaker 1: Brandon Bean and Sean McDermott know that, and one of

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Speaker 1: their quotes was, we want to be able to run

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Speaker 1: the ball when we don't have to necessarily run the ball,

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Speaker 1: so that when we do have to run the ball,

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Speaker 1: it's it's easy to do and we're not trying to

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Speaker 1: force something that's not going to happen and that's not

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Speaker 1: gonna work. Um. But the other thing to this, to

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Speaker 1: this topic of of run game and wanting a better

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Speaker 1: run game for this next season, and you're alluding to it, Steve,

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Speaker 1: is that Josh Allen is going to only get smarter

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Speaker 1: and smarter as we go on. He is still in

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Speaker 1: his young years of being able to dissect a defense.

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Speaker 1: I think in your first three seasons that what you

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Speaker 1: can do and what you can dissect and what you

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Speaker 1: can pick out at the line of scrimmage before the

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Speaker 1: ball is snapped is going to be a lot different

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Speaker 1: than what you're going to be able to pick out

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Speaker 1: and dissect and call at the line of scrimmage. And

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Speaker 1: maybe your sixth and seventh and eighth year. One of

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Speaker 1: the big things that he had to say this year

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Speaker 1: was that he was able to see the defense better

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Speaker 1: and he was able to make changes at the line

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Speaker 1: of scrimmage based on how defenders were lined up or

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Speaker 1: how they were following Isaiah McKenzie as he moved across.

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Speaker 1: And I think this is only going to improve as

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Speaker 1: he goes on in his career. So I know there's

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Speaker 1: there's an argument of, well, everybody knows we're just going

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Speaker 1: to throw the ball, and defenses are going to be

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Speaker 1: able to pick up on that. Josh is also going

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02:07:59,160 --> 02:08:01,880
Speaker 1: to be able to pick up what defensers are doing,

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Speaker 1: and he's a great enough athlete to be able to

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02:08:05,320 --> 02:08:09,800
Speaker 1: pivot at the drop of a hat and call something

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Speaker 1: different or check somewhere different because of the type of

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Speaker 1: athletes that are on our team. Just because teams know

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Speaker 1: that we're gonna throw, it doesn't mean that we're all

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02:08:20,120 --> 02:08:22,200
Speaker 1: of a sudden not going to have success throwing the

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02:08:22,280 --> 02:08:26,320
Speaker 1: ball because players are going to be covered. There's always

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Speaker 1: answers within how every play, with how every play unrolls

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Speaker 1: and unravels when the ball snapped. Yeah, it's yeah, Josh,

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Speaker 1: You're gonna get better the team is going to change

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02:08:38,320 --> 02:08:41,120
Speaker 1: around him. But but all this stuff about not being

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Speaker 1: able to run the ball, and I don't care. I

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02:08:46,000 --> 02:08:48,400
Speaker 1: don't care. They don't need to fix this thing. That's

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Speaker 1: not what needs to be fixed. They need to, you know,

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Speaker 1: they get a better pass rush, they get a number

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02:08:52,640 --> 02:08:56,600
Speaker 1: two quarterback, whatever you want, they get better pass pro

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02:08:56,760 --> 02:08:59,920
Speaker 1: I don't care. But the offense really doesn't need to

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02:09:00,120 --> 02:09:04,480
Speaker 1: be fixed. They're good. So if teams start to catch

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02:09:04,600 --> 02:09:06,560
Speaker 1: up with them, then maybe they can evolve away from

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02:09:06,600 --> 02:09:08,440
Speaker 1: If a team's gonna step up to catch up to

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02:09:08,520 --> 02:09:10,520
Speaker 1: them and start and they can stop this passing game,

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02:09:10,520 --> 02:09:12,800
Speaker 1: they're gonna have to do something a lot better differently

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02:09:13,080 --> 02:09:15,040
Speaker 1: than they did this year, and then you can react

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Speaker 1: to that. We don't even know how good our running

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02:09:18,800 --> 02:09:20,920
Speaker 1: game needs to be. Yeah, And if you're going eleven

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Speaker 1: personnel most of the time or yeah, or ten personnel, yeah,

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02:09:26,200 --> 02:09:30,680
Speaker 1: or ten personnel, yeah, I'm totally I am. Yeah, don't

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Speaker 1: don't run it more unless runt of less. Let Josh

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Speaker 1: throw it more, and then he's right. We knew we

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Speaker 1: had Trent Edwards, we had JP Lossman, ej Manuel, Rob Johnson, Flutie,

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Speaker 1: all the way back to the two thousands. All of

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Speaker 1: those guys had a chance to play. Nathan Peterman, for

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Speaker 1: goodness sake, all those guys had a chance to play,

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02:09:53,560 --> 02:09:57,440
Speaker 1: and we watched him. You know, have limited, if not

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Speaker 1: inconsistent success. And you can say what you want about

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Speaker 1: where those guys careers. You went ej Manuel, J. P. Lassman,

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Speaker 1: you know, Trent Edwards, all those guys that the Bills

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02:10:10,680 --> 02:10:16,880
Speaker 1: drafted and never realized their full potential. You know, it's

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02:10:17,640 --> 02:10:21,080
Speaker 1: that's a bummer for them as well as for Bills fans.

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Speaker 1: But I don't know that you can generalize even why

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02:10:24,720 --> 02:10:26,920
Speaker 1: none those three guys weren't as successful as the Bills

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02:10:26,960 --> 02:10:28,200
Speaker 1: wanted them to be. You can I don't know if

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02:10:28,240 --> 02:10:32,040
Speaker 1: you can generalize that all these guys are different and

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02:10:32,120 --> 02:10:34,520
Speaker 1: the team was different, even though it was the same organization,

2387
02:10:34,560 --> 02:10:37,480
Speaker 1: The team was different. Coaches were different, that coordinators were different,

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02:10:37,760 --> 02:10:40,120
Speaker 1: the team around them was different, more or less talented.

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02:10:40,880 --> 02:10:44,920
Speaker 1: So it's you know, when we talk about how much

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Speaker 1: patience all of us should expect to have with young quarterbacks,

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Speaker 1: like the Bills have shown with Josh Allen, and you know,

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02:10:51,960 --> 02:10:53,880
Speaker 1: you look across the league, it's different for every guy.

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Speaker 1: And I think that the separate conversation we're gonna have

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Speaker 1: and I was talking about this in the break, is

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02:10:58,240 --> 02:11:01,360
Speaker 1: about you know, what are the generalities you can make

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Speaker 1: about quarterbacks? Is there any I don't know. We'll see,

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Speaker 1: we'll get we'll get into that. We'll get into that

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Speaker 1: maybe maybe maybe later in the week, but we're up

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Speaker 1: against a break again. We've only got about fifteen minutes

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Speaker 1: here left in the show. It's flown by on a

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Speaker 1: Tuesday afternoon, Don't Go Anywhere One Bills Live, presented by

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Speaker 1: Claude Health on Buffalo Bills Radio. All right, it's time

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Speaker 1: for what have we learned? Brought to you by Skyworks,

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2405
02:11:41,720 --> 02:11:44,200
Speaker 1: And we had Brian Costello on with us, and he

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02:11:44,320 --> 02:11:48,040
Speaker 1: talked about the Jets trading Sam Darnold to the Panthers.

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Speaker 1: It's become clear that the Jets lay like Zach Wilson

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02:11:51,600 --> 02:11:55,800
Speaker 1: had a by uh. They you know, they send Joe Douglas,

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Speaker 1: Robert Sala, the head coach and offensive portor Michael Floor

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02:11:58,960 --> 02:12:01,880
Speaker 1: out to Provo couple of weeks ago. Um, you know,

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Speaker 1: when you send the head coach, the GM and the

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Speaker 1: offensive coordinator to a pro day. That means you're serious

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02:12:07,440 --> 02:12:10,160
Speaker 1: about a guy, and you know, all signs were kind

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02:12:10,160 --> 02:12:12,680
Speaker 1: of pointing to this, so I was just kinda we

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02:12:12,760 --> 02:12:14,880
Speaker 1: were waiting for it. I thought the return was fair.

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Speaker 1: I thought that's a battle they could get because they're

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Speaker 1: just there's just not a lot of teams out there.

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Speaker 1: They're looking for a quarterback right now, and Sam has

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Speaker 1: a lot of question marks around him, so I thought

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Speaker 1: they needed to find someone like a Carolina whom you know,

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Speaker 1: it's just outside of that top five where they can't

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Speaker 1: draft a quarterback and obviously is looking looking to for

2423
02:12:33,400 --> 02:12:35,360
Speaker 1: you to bring in someone a challenge. Chetty Bridgewater or

2424
02:12:35,400 --> 02:12:39,520
Speaker 1: placed Hetty Bridgewater. That was Brian on his thoughts of

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02:12:39,680 --> 02:12:42,960
Speaker 1: the Jets saying goodbye to Sam Darnold and saying hello

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Speaker 1: to their number two pick, which they will probably use

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Speaker 1: on a quarterback, not probably they will use on a quarterback,

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Speaker 1: probably use on Zach Wilson had a lot of quarterback

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Speaker 1: talk today and after our Twitter poll what's the right

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Speaker 1: way for NFL teams to prop Pop prop Burley It's

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Speaker 1: English evaluate young quarterbacks? A lot of people said, d

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Speaker 1: there is no right way. Each player is different. Sixty

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Speaker 1: one point two percent said there's no one size fits all. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's different Yeah, there's there are some generalities you can make. Certainly,

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Speaker 1: the guy's got to be on a good enough team

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02:13:19,880 --> 02:13:21,960
Speaker 1: where you can evaluate him properly. But a guy like

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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow who comes in, you think you I think

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02:13:24,320 --> 02:13:26,000
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people believe he can play. But

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02:13:26,080 --> 02:13:28,720
Speaker 1: he was on it. He was getting sacked every play

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02:13:28,800 --> 02:13:31,440
Speaker 1: and was he dropped back to throw it. So you'd

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Speaker 1: like to see him have a chance to stand up

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02:13:33,440 --> 02:13:36,680
Speaker 1: and read defenses. Justin Herbert came out as a rookie.

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02:13:37,680 --> 02:13:40,240
Speaker 1: He had a great rookie season, Rookie Offensive Player of

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02:13:40,240 --> 02:13:42,960
Speaker 1: the Year with five minutes. Notice, I wouldn't be nice

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02:13:43,000 --> 02:13:45,040
Speaker 1: to have that much patience. And then there's Josh Allen,

2446
02:13:45,080 --> 02:13:49,840
Speaker 1: who with the MVP because we love him playing. Well.

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Speaker 1: That's it for today's show, One Bill's Live, presented by

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02:13:53,160 --> 02:13:56,640
Speaker 1: Clyde Health on Buffalo Bill's Radio. Tomorrow, we've got Kyle Brett,

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02:13:57,360 --> 02:13:59,720
Speaker 1: so make sure you tune in. We will see you guys.

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02:14:00,160 --> 02:14:02,840
Speaker 1: What's Steve Tasker and I all week holding down the fort.

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Speaker 1: Let's go, h