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Speaker 1: Hey, good morning folks. It is Saturday, January seventeenth, and

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Speaker 1: as of this recording, it is eight degrees in Minneapolis.

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Speaker 1: It feels like one below, and by this evening is

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Speaker 1: gonna feel like eight below. But would you believe things

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Speaker 1: are actually getting hotter in Minneapolis?

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Speaker 2: With that?

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Speaker 1: Welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ Robes. Really,

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Speaker 1: people had a lot of hopes, and we're coming on

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Speaker 1: this Saturday morning because there have been significant developments overnight,

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Speaker 1: but a lot of people really felt like the best

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Speaker 1: chance maybe for things to calm down, it's gonna be freezing.

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Speaker 1: Nobody wants to go out in that stuff.

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Speaker 3: Right exactly, be bad whether this week.

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Speaker 4: There have been studies about violence in cities and how

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Speaker 4: it relates to temperature, and it is a known fact

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Speaker 4: that hotter climates tend to have more crime because people

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Speaker 4: saying and doing whatever they want.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, when it's that cold, people are like, I feel passionate, but.

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Speaker 4: That's too uncomfortable for me, even for a Minnesotan who

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Speaker 4: And yeah, the hope was that people would just let

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Speaker 4: the cooler temperatures cool their temperature.

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Speaker 1: And it hasn't happened. And we should say and again

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Speaker 1: we're coming on because there have been developments yesterday and

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Speaker 1: one of the major ones robes and we talked about

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Speaker 1: it getting hotter there, but the heat is not necessarily

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Speaker 1: coming from the temperatures there in Minneapolis. The heat is

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Speaker 1: coming from Washington, DC. The heat is going towards Tim

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Speaker 1: the major development robes that this thing has taken off

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Speaker 1: criminal investigation of the two leaders essentially of what we've

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Speaker 1: been seeing going on in that state.

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Speaker 4: And this shouldn't be that shocking because this is now Unfortunately,

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Speaker 4: it seems par for the course that if you disagree

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Speaker 4: yourself potentially to a DOJ investigation.

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Speaker 3: That is what we have seen.

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Speaker 4: And so yes, Tim Waltz and Jacob Frye are the

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Speaker 4: two latest political folks who are now being threatened with

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Speaker 4: criminal charges by the Trump administration.

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Speaker 1: Perceived right perceived political enemies as we seem to like

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Speaker 1: to say, but these perceived enemies might be dragged into

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Speaker 1: what they said in response to that. The other major

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Speaker 1: headline is that there has been a ruling by a judge,

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Speaker 1: do with protesters there in the streets. Will explain that.

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Speaker 1: Also don't know if this is a flip flop or not,

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Speaker 1: the Insurrection Act. Now it seems like he is backed

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Speaker 1: off that little bit. So, yes, a lot of developments overnight,

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Speaker 1: to be. So we just wanted to hop on and

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Speaker 1: give you this update. But Robes, Yes, like you said,

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Speaker 1: the big headline and multiple outlets are reporting this that, yes,

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Speaker 1: the mayor of Minneapolis and the governor of Minnesota are

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Speaker 1: what is being called a conspiracy to obstruct federal agents.

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Speaker 3: By their public statements.

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Speaker 4: They are, basically, according to the DOJ or, according to

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Speaker 4: this investigation, they are impeding federal agents' ability to do

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Speaker 4: public statements, they have incited some sort of anti government

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Speaker 4: sentiment that has created the situation or an insurrection, avoid

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Speaker 4: that word. I was trying to find another way. But yes,

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Speaker 4: they say that through their public statements they have impeded

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Speaker 1: But again, like we say Robes and in some places

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Speaker 1: this is once again an extraordinary step, like you almost

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Speaker 1: can't believe an unprecedented step once again being taken by

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Speaker 1: the president. But the thing is is this president it

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Speaker 1: seems like he's been doing this quite a bit. If

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Speaker 1: with Mark Kelly as of late, but it seemed like

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Speaker 4: Yes, it's concerning, and when you have legal experts and

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Speaker 3: That was a quote by a.

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Speaker 4: Legal expert, and yeah, I thought that is what this

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Speaker 3: Sore.

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Speaker 4: Where is the right to free speech? Where is the

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Speaker 4: so you now subject yourself to criminal prosecution by that

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Speaker 4: same federal government, that is some scary, scary stuff. And

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Speaker 4: that is what we are looking at right now.

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Speaker 1: We are not the United States of America anymore. We

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Speaker 1: which it's undeniable that some of the things we're seeing

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Speaker 1: This is why we are better. This is why the

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Speaker 2: This is why we stood.

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Speaker 1: At that beacon that we stand as, that beacon of

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Speaker 4: Yes, And that is what we were taught. That is

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Speaker 4: what we believe But now if you are seeing your

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Speaker 3: That So, if your governor can.

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Speaker 4: Be criminally investigated, if your mayor can be criminally investigated

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Speaker 4: for speaking out against federal government policy, what does that

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Speaker 4: say to citizen Joe and citizen Jane.

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Speaker 3: You have zero protection.

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Speaker 4: If your elected leaders are now potentially facing criminal charges,

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Speaker 4: that is a silencing blow to a lot of people.

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Speaker 1: A political enemy is being hauled into a federal criminal.

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Speaker 2: Investigation in the United States.

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Speaker 1: That's not the United States.

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Speaker 3: It's scary.

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Speaker 4: There's no other word to describe what's happening, or the

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Speaker 1: But how do we have this conversation in which there

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Speaker 1: I assume there's some people who see what's happening to

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Speaker 1: Fry and Tim Waltson like, yeah, arrest them, this is

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Speaker 1: how it should Why I don't I don't know how

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you can disagree, that's fine, and everyone can disagree

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Speaker 3: That's absurd.

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Speaker 1: And I told you earlier this week to a day

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Speaker 1: there's other stuff going on in that state having to

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Speaker 3: Sure that's a different story, Yeah, sure, sure, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: It has nothing to do with what we're talking about here. Right,

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Speaker 1: You are correct, these guys, by all accounts and including

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Speaker 1: conspiracy to obstruct and that is a crime. It's a stretch,

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Speaker 1: but it is a crime. And I'm and look, we

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Speaker 1: We have been taught that when we see things like this,

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Speaker 1: these are things that have led to war, oppression, people

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Speaker 1: who have done these things as leaders of other countries,

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Speaker 1: This isn't freedom, this isn't democracy, This isn't that thing

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Speaker 4: Say we're based Oh yeah, leadership, but we're based that's

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Speaker 1: And we've had conversations here. We are nothing. We are

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Speaker 1: we have absolutely had conversations about should we say that

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Speaker 4: And that's not how journalists should be operating. Never ever,

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Speaker 4: never we're seeing it happen. Never crossed my mind in

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Speaker 3: Either, not once.

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Speaker 4: In fact, I used to say, I went to this

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Speaker 3: I am going to be safe.

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Speaker 4: My family's going to be safe because I live in

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Speaker 1: You might get suboena these days. This is what we

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Speaker 1: this moment. We've traveled plenty of places covered international events,

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Speaker 1: are in awe of the freedom you have and the

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Speaker 3: This is they're in awe of it, and now here

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Speaker 4: You just reminded me of when I was in China

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Speaker 4: with NBC News at that time, and they said, be

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Speaker 4: are watching. We don't know if your hotel rooms are bugged.

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Speaker 4: We don't know what kind of access they may have

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Speaker 4: to your basically your electronic news gathering. And that was

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Speaker 4: this craziest thing to think about, to feel like you

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Speaker 1: And now look, okay, look we want to give you

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Speaker 1: tell you we did hear from Mayor Fry and from

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Speaker 2: Stay here, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, folks, we'll continue here on this Saturday morning, January

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Speaker 1: the seventeenth. Overnight developments out of Minneapolis. All eyes been

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Speaker 1: this is just the president once again wielding power and

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Speaker 1: coming after a democratic or progressive city robes. Overnight, things

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Speaker 1: got a little calm. Yes, we should flat out say

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Speaker 4: Yes, the two might be related, that is fair to say.

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Speaker 4: But yes, Thursday night overnight was a tough night. There

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Speaker 4: I believe a dozen folks arrested. Friday. Some of those

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Speaker 4: clashes continued between protesters and ICE agents. But yes, overnight

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Speaker 4: we looked and scoured the headlines and really didn't see

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Speaker 1: Jacob Pry saying and Mayor Fry saying, this is an

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Speaker 1: local law enforcement and residents against the chaos and danger

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Speaker 1: Tim Walton Jacob Fry didn't directly mention you're not supposed

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 3: Yes.

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Speaker 4: And Tim Waltz wrote this on x two days ago.

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Speaker 4: It was Alyssa Slotkin, last week, it was Jerome Powell

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Speaker 4: before that, Mark Kelly. Weaponizing the justice system against your

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Speaker 4: investigated for the shooting of Renee Good is the federal

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Speaker 1: Should remind her there that the investigation. Several prosecutors quit

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Speaker 1: the other thing. Yesterday, Ropes was a lawsuit that's been

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Speaker 4: Yes, the judge issued basically a restraining order that would

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Speaker 3: You can't put tear gas. You can't.

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Speaker 4: There's a lot of things that rubber bullets and tear

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Speaker 1: And they have to have some leeway in dispersing a crowd.

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Speaker 1: The police have to use in authorities some kind of tactic.

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Speaker 1: And this one here, agents should be at an appropriate distance.

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Speaker 1: It does not by itself create reasonable suspicion to justify

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Speaker 3: It's something it's putting.

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Speaker 4: Perhaps I say this not fully knowing the weight of this,

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Speaker 3: But if you feel like you have.

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Speaker 4: The Trump administration's backing to do what you need to do,

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Speaker 1: And it's taking them. Like in ninety seconds after that shooting,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he said, in Minnesota, the troublemakers, agitators and insurrectionists

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Speaker 3: It might be for the best.

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Speaker 4: It literally literally might cool things down and figuratively, I

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Speaker 1: Ro So, yes, folks, we just want to hop on

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Speaker 1: morning and while we were having our tea and having

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Speaker 1: our coffee. But where you are, hope you're having a

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Speaker 1: good start to your day. Enjoy the rest of your

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Speaker 1: Saturday wherever you are right now. For Amy Robot im TJ. Holmes,

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Speaker 1: we'll talk for you Alread