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Speaker 1: Fellow conspiracy realists travel back with us in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 1: During this classic episode, taking place during time of great

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Speaker 1: unrest is now just called the COVID pandemic, we asked ourselves,

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Speaker 1: what if the stories and narratives you hear in mainstream

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Speaker 1: media aren't the entire truth.

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Speaker 2: What if there's.

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Speaker 1: Something else going on? This is the story of q Anon.

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Speaker 2: Who is q who are q Yeah? And what if

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Speaker 2: there's something else going on? A secret war between a

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Speaker 2: shadowy cabal and a small group of brave, outnumbered good

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Speaker 2: That's what QAnon folks seem to think. Let's roll the tape.

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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 1: production of iHeart Radios How Stuff Works.

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Speaker 3: Hello, Welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 3: my name is Nola.

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Speaker 1: They call me Ben. We are joined as always with

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Speaker 1: our super producer Paul Mission Controlled decad Most importantly, you

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Speaker 1: are here, and that makes this stuff they don't want

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Speaker 1: you to know. This is the first episode we are

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Speaker 1: recording in what the calendars call twenty twenty. So if

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Speaker 1: you're listening to this, congratulations you've made it at least

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Speaker 1: to January of that month.

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Speaker 3: Good for you.

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Speaker 2: Wait a go, you did a thing.

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Speaker 3: We all did it. We're all here.

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Speaker 2: We are here in some shape or form. I'm already

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Speaker 2: enjoying the heck out out of twenty twenty.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well mainly I don't know, just personal choice. I

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Speaker 2: decided I wasn't gonna drink it all in January. It's

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Speaker 2: the thing people do, the dry January, Dryuary. Yeah, and

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Speaker 2: I've gotten so much done in six days, it's crazy.

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Speaker 2: I redecorated my whole house, been working on music again.

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Speaker 2: Not that I'm some kind of crazy alcoholic, but it's

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Speaker 3: That's amazing, Noel, And I'm so proud of you for

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Speaker 3: not letting the current news cycle cause you to go

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Speaker 2: I don't know what you're talking about. I've also chosen

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Speaker 2: Please enlighten me.

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Speaker 3: Oh, nothing, just something to do with this country that

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Speaker 3: we've talked about on this show numerous times that is

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Speaker 3: surrounded on all sides by people that may want to

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Speaker 3: invade us, Matt, No, no, anyway, Ben, how you doing good?

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Speaker 3: You good with a whole Iran situation.

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Speaker 1: Well, the reason is to congratulations to everyone for making

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Speaker 1: ocean acidification that you warned me about years ago. Matt's

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Speaker 1: that's definitely in play. I have also, I have also

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Speaker 2: starting to feel like that movie Children of Men, you know,

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Speaker 2: like it's very much like a near future dystopia thing

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Speaker 3: We'll share it together just so everyone knows who was

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Speaker 3: listening to this first time we've actually hung out all

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Speaker 2: Right, And that's why I wasn't joking when I said

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Speaker 2: my twenty is off to a really nice start. I'm

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Speaker 3: So to begin this story, we have to jump back

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's take a step back.

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Speaker 3: So four Chan, Okay, you've heard about it.

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Speaker 1: They want, as they say in Star Wars, a hive

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Speaker 3: It's I would just sput out there and we're going

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Speaker 1: And then we can This one's a little juicier too.

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Speaker 2: Is that a Hunger Games references? That's the mocking Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: This is first off, this is a pure sugar rush,

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Speaker 1: right for some pupil on fourtchan, this is candy now.

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Speaker 1: There's a problem with identity. You know, it's like this,

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Speaker 3: A single one of them could. And this is basically

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Speaker 3: arming you with a handful of skittles. You're so right

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Speaker 3: about that reference. But okay, and here's the deal with

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Speaker 3: a post like this, It's not just a single post.

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Speaker 3: It exists within, you know, this ecosystem of everybody else

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Speaker 3: being able to ask a question like and again you're

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Speaker 3: kind of answering all of these questions because this is

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Speaker 3: all questions, almost almost ninety percent questions that are being

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Speaker 3: raised here in this post.

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Speaker 2: Right, but like leading questions kind of too.

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Speaker 3: Right, Well yeah, but it's also it's just it's it's

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Speaker 3: fairly odd but intriguing. Right, But what happened was this

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Speaker 3: started a movement.

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Speaker 1: Right, yeah, so Q the poster right is different from

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Speaker 1: the group to a nod yes, which is the supporters

450
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Speaker 1: of this idea later grew into what would be known

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Speaker 1: as the Storm or the Great Awakening. And this this

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Speaker 1: grew from fertile soil. Remember this follows on the heels

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Speaker 1: of things like Pizzagate, wherein where various folks were arguing,

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Speaker 1: based on some emails, that there was a secret cabal

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Speaker 1: of child abusers, a child abuse ring that was connected

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Speaker 1: to Hillary Clinton, that was operating out of a basement

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Speaker 1: in a pizza chain. Problem being the actual pizza restaurant

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Speaker 1: does not have a basement.

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Speaker 2: But just the same. A believer of that particular conspiracy theory,

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Speaker 2: a guy by the name of Edgar Madison Welch went

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Speaker 2: into this pizza place, very popular political pizza hangout, and

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Speaker 2: supposed child sex dungeon. He went in there and shot

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Speaker 2: the place up. He didn't like kill anybody, but he

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Speaker 2: shut the lock off of a I believe it was

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Speaker 2: a door that was meant to lead down into the

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Speaker 2: secret basement, but there was no evidence of this ever uncovered.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, went to a closet actually, yeah, where he damaged

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Speaker 1: the computer.

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Speaker 3: It is interesting how we don't have to get into

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Speaker 3: it too deeply, but Pizzagate, the way it evolved, we

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Speaker 3: were looking at it very closely as it was evolving,

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Speaker 3: and for it to focus on that one pizza restaurant

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Speaker 3: that we're not aiming here. By the way, we know

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Speaker 3: the name of it, we're not naming it here just

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Speaker 3: in case, just for whatever reason, people feel that you

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Speaker 3: how you may feel. But it was odd that these

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Speaker 3: emails that were all you know, leaked from it was

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Speaker 3: from the Hillary Clinton email breach and leak that came out.

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Speaker 3: Most of the people on those chains were Democrats, not

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Speaker 3: all of them, but most of them or high level

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Speaker 3: officials or assistance too high level officials, and the stuff

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Speaker 3: that was construed or misconstrued or you know, taken from

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Speaker 3: those emails. There was some odd stuff in there, and

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Speaker 3: I would be the first to say there was definitely

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Speaker 3: some odd stuff in there. But you can see it's

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Speaker 3: such a good example of how you get a little

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Speaker 3: bit of information or maybe a tiny peek into a

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Speaker 3: window or a flashlight's view in the darkness, and that's

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Speaker 3: all you see, and then you're assuming what is on

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Speaker 3: the other side that you can't see. That's we're kind

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Speaker 3: of going down that path already with just what QAnon

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Speaker 3: has said or with what q Clearance Patriot is.

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Speaker 1: And we all already see the emphasis on creating connective tissue, yes,

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Speaker 1: on discerning and following and then ultimately predicting a pattern

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Speaker 1: an order of operations. But before we get to that,

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Speaker 1: you know, this is nested like Matroskdal's here. But before

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Speaker 1: we get to that, there's a problem of identity. Remember

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Speaker 1: how earlier we noted the strong anonymity on four Chan.

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Speaker 1: Q was aware of this and so attempted to provide

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Speaker 1: proof of his or her or their claims. They posted

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Speaker 1: images you can see online that some redditors, especially on

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Speaker 1: the our Conspiracy subreddit, believed confirmed Q was physically present

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Speaker 1: on Air Force one and thus was receiving this information

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Speaker 1: from none other than the current commander in chief, and

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Speaker 1: some followers started to argue about the true identity of Q.

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Speaker 1: You would see all kinds of all kinds of allegations.

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Speaker 1: Probably the most out there were that first Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: or Trump Junior were themselves Q, or that JFK Jr.

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Speaker 1: Faked his death to get away from the Deep State

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Speaker 1: and is himself.

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Speaker 3: Q to tell the truth about the Deep State.

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Speaker 1: But now that we've set up all this background and

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Speaker 1: told you how the story began, what the origin point was,

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Speaker 1: and you can see a little bit about the explosive growth,

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Speaker 1: we have to ask ourselves what is q anon saying?

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Speaker 1: What are the claims? We'll tell you after a word

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Speaker 1: from our sponsor, and we're back, maybe a little bit

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Speaker 1: of a movie voice. In a world controlled by cannibals,

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Speaker 1: Satan worshipers, elite child abusers, only one man has the

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Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm falling off. Only one person. There's

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Speaker 1: an oubie Wan who is the only hope in this story,

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Speaker 1: and it's it is President Trump in this In this narrative,

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Speaker 1: the fact that Trump was formerly a Democrat and then

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Speaker 1: later a Republican is seen as proof that he belongs

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Speaker 1: to neither party, who are of course, both painted as

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Speaker 1: puppets on the hands of global elite. And Trump is

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Speaker 1: fighting an internal war, according again to QAnon, and has

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Speaker 1: to be protected by the military because the Secret Service,

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Speaker 1: the FBI, the CIA, the rest of the alphabet soup

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Speaker 1: has all been compromised.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, compromised, and largely it's difficult to move those powers,

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Speaker 3: like the individuals that have power in those institutions, right right,

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Speaker 3: even though you've seen him cycle through several sure.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and you've seen the narrative change too, But

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Speaker 1: he's saying, yes, that the alphabet souperintelligence agencies, they're all

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Speaker 1: Cerosian for lack of a better word. And then going

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Speaker 1: back to this question which you asked, No about the format,

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Speaker 1: because q's postings often do take that cryptic question format,

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Speaker 1: and so people who follow this Q and honors following

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Speaker 1: this will say that each question is some sort of

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Speaker 1: hint or a clue or a riddle containing some hidden

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Speaker 1: truth about the real nature of global governance, and that

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Speaker 1: astute minds can divine the meaning behind these postings.

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Speaker 3: For me, it's almost like a puzzle game that if

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Speaker 3: you can answer one of the questions, then you can

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Speaker 3: and then you answer the next one, and then you

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Speaker 3: realize how those are connected, and then it just goes

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Speaker 3: down like.

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Speaker 2: One. Yeah right, but like there's no rhyme or reason

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Speaker 2: to it. I mean, I don't know. Maybe I'm being

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Speaker 2: abduced here. Actually that's the word you use, Ben, I

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Speaker 2: think quite astutely when you're talking about the way some

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Speaker 2: of these posts read. And I think I said some

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Speaker 2: of them came off as leading questions. Some of them do, like,

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Speaker 2: for example, who has ultimate authority over our branches of military?

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Speaker 2: Who approves conditions unless ninety plus in wartime conditions? I mean,

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Speaker 2: that's sort of trying to push you to think a thing.

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Speaker 2: And some of them are super open ended. So if

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Speaker 2: there's a puzzle here, where's the solution? It seems like

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Speaker 2: a lot of projection going on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I agree. It's they're they're called breadcrumbs because

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Speaker 1: there's ought to be these tidbits of information, right, and

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Speaker 1: they're forming a trail that picture. You know, one of

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Speaker 1: my favorite sunny in Philadelphia moments when Charlie Day is

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Speaker 1: obsessed with the discovery of Pepe Lopez, remember, and he's

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Speaker 1: standing there and he's like chain smoking and pointing to

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Speaker 1: his conspiracy board. I think you're absolutely right here in that.

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Speaker 1: It reminds me a little bit of people who claim

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Speaker 1: to have interpreted Nostradamis. You know, there's a bit of

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Speaker 1: tea leaf reading that comes into this.

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Speaker 2: You know, there was.

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Speaker 1: Without without verification or more explicit statements by Q itself.

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Speaker 1: Even assuming that we could prove Q s Q. You

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Speaker 1: can make those initials mean anything you want. Sure, RC

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Speaker 1: could be rent control. It could also be la right,

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Speaker 1: it could also be control. It could be robocow, you know,

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Speaker 1: or yeah, could be straight up. I don't know why

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Speaker 1: I went over the cop for the cow. I'm very

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Speaker 1: well aware of the yaz well, but you see what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: I see exactly what you're saying. And this kind of writing,

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Speaker 3: and what it does is it allows the interpreter, so

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Speaker 3: an end user, somebody who reads it who is loud

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Speaker 3: and influential enough to then say this is what that means,

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Speaker 3: and then that person almost gets more power or is

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Speaker 3: able to translate it in a way that then a

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Speaker 3: massive amount of people believes it has been translated.

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Speaker 1: Yes, And there's another aspect here which I think if

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Speaker 1: we're thinking critically, we have to be even more skeptical

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Speaker 1: about at this point. There's another aspect wherein some some

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Speaker 1: people who purport to believe in the QAnon stuff will

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Speaker 1: say that they're not just they're not just correctly interpreting

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Speaker 1: the statements they find on four Chan related forums, they're

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Speaker 1: also interpreting the actions of the president, the physical individual,

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Speaker 1: and his own actions that would seem innocuous to mainstream media.

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Speaker 1: There's this one, for instance, there's this one moment in

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Speaker 1: a meeting where he is sitting next to the vice

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Speaker 1: president and I believe he takes a bottle of Fiji water,

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Speaker 1: drinks it, and then puts it on the floor.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So there.

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Speaker 1: Were people arguing that this was not just someone handling

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Speaker 1: a water bottle, that this was a nonverbal signal that

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Speaker 1: he was planning to take down a child abuse ring

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Speaker 1: in guess where the Bahamas good close. They're both on

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Speaker 1: the planet Fiji.

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Speaker 3: Oh okay.

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Speaker 1: And when we get to that level of subjectivity, it's

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Speaker 1: tough to prove anything, you know, and that's the devilish

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Speaker 1: part about that, because barring a statement from the actual

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Speaker 1: president saying yeah, that's why I did it, or no,

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Speaker 1: oh I just put the water there, you know, there's

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Speaker 1: there's no proof. And then also even if people could

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Speaker 1: just choose to say the guy is line or he's dissembling.

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Speaker 2: I had said a thing before the first break of

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Speaker 2: the idea of Trump's offhanded statements about the storm the

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Speaker 2: coming storm, that that could well have been a complete

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Speaker 2: coincidence as related to this movement. But I think it's

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Speaker 2: the other way around. Actually, I think this movement hopped

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Speaker 2: on that innocuous ish statement and then created this notion

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Speaker 2: of the coming reckoning or whatever. I believe. We talked

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Speaker 2: about these high level officials that were corralled and rounded

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Speaker 2: up secretly, and supposedly they've all been fitted with ankle

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Speaker 2: monitors because they're already under indictment secretly. But we have

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Speaker 2: what we can't let anyone know that it's we got

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Speaker 2: to look like it's business as usual, Like no, who's

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Speaker 2: going to stand for that? I don't you know what

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Speaker 2: I mean? Like the whole We will get more into it,

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Speaker 2: but it's a very flow mixing the whole narrative behind this.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of pieces that would have to fall

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Speaker 2: into place just so perfectly that just don't make sense

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Speaker 2: in a logistical way.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not as unreasonable as a flat earth movement,

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Speaker 1: for example, for an extreme example. But it's difficult to

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Speaker 1: discern how all of this could be true at once,

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Speaker 1: and that's one of the structural problems here for being objective.

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Speaker 1: But according to QAnon, the US government has been controlled

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Speaker 1: for decades and decades, maybe more than a century, by

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Speaker 1: a very close knit group of powerful deep state actors,

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Speaker 1: and they are only part of a larger picture. The world,

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Speaker 1: according to q is controlled by a global ring of cannibalistic,

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Speaker 1: demon worshiping child abusers, a group that is responsible for

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Speaker 1: everything from the assassination of JFK to the rise of

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Speaker 1: terrorist groups like ISIS, to the escalation the continual frequency

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Speaker 1: of domestic mass shootings. And furthermore, they argue that every

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Speaker 1: single president elected since JFK. Pay attention to that one

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Speaker 1: Democrat or Republican has been a puppet for this cabal,

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Speaker 1: with one notable.

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Speaker 2: Exception, Donald J. Trump.

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Speaker 1: Yes, give the man a cigar. Yeah, we're not supposed

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Speaker 1: to smoke cigars. Are you just I never got it.

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Speaker 1: It always felt too Freudian for me. It's like will

653
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Speaker 1: Will Smith, Welcome to Miami.

654
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Speaker 2: Welcome to Miami.

655
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Speaker 3: You guys smoke cigars? Wrong?

656
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:39,800
Speaker 2: I guess you're right. No, we shouldn't teach us the ways.

657
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 2: I mainly just break mine open and put other things

658
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Speaker 2: into them. What just kidding, not kidding, I don't know.

659
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 2: I don't care anymore. What I do care about is

660
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 2: that this is all pretty intensely bonkers but also fascinating because,

661
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 2: like you said, Ben, there's so much tea leaf reading

662
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 2: that goes into this. And the way these narratives have

663
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 2: been generated by users, not by Q him or herself,

664
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 2: that was just kind of the red meat, you know,

665
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 2: for the masses to then just go ape over, you know,

666
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:16,319
Speaker 2: and just like swarm over the stuff and create what

667
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,840
Speaker 2: do what the Internet does best, which is generate bonkers

668
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 2: conspiracy theories or memes or just you know, baseless claims,

669
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 2: which is what most of this, if not all of this,

670
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:29,799
Speaker 2: absolutely seems to be.

671
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Speaker 1: Well that's the problem too, So to continue with this,

672
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 1: The idea is that the president President Trump has been

673
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Speaker 1: working behind the scenes to expose the deep seat in

674
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Speaker 1: a carefully orchestrated fashion, and all will soon be revealed. Ultimately,

675
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,760
Speaker 1: he will send the guilty parties to the quasi black

676
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:55,319
Speaker 1: site known as Guantanamo Bay. And if you ask the

677
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 1: true believers, proof of this is all around you. If

678
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 1: you have the true believers, then the idea is not

679
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 1: whether or not there's proof, but it's why you, a

680
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 1: non believer, insist on having your head in the sand.

681
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, why you can't see it?

682
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 1: Right, Because of course we've got some examples like the

683
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:19,760
Speaker 1: Muller Report. Right, it turns out Robert Muller and Donald

684
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 1: Trump are secretly close colleagues. They're behind the scenes allies,

685
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:30,760
Speaker 1: and that the Muller Report, while ostensibly investigating Russian interference

686
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 1: in the twenty sixteen US election, in what it was

687
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 1: in reality was an investigation into this deep state, and

688
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 1: that Donald Trump had to performatively cozy up to the

689
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:51,799
Speaker 1: Russian state because that gave Muller the ability to investigate

690
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 1: the real problem, which was the deep state in the

691
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 1: US abroad, which is responsible for everything from Pizzagate to

692
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Speaker 1: the twenty seventeen mass shoot in Vegas.

693
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, then you bring in the even more recent

694
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 3: stuff with the old Ukraine call with some quidded pro

695
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 3: quo and the whistleblowers who came forward and made everyone

696
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 3: aware of that, to the impeachment proceedings that have been

697
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 3: going on and went on to really to the supporters

698
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:22,840
Speaker 3: of q and on. These are just ways for the

699
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 3: deep state essentially to fight back against the power that

700
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Speaker 3: Trump has it just to stimy a little bit his

701
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Speaker 3: efforts to reveal all of the truths eventually that he's

702
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 3: going to reveal.

703
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Speaker 1: Right, and this is where we get to the idea

704
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:41,799
Speaker 1: of revelation, right, the problem with proof. So first, many

705
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 1: claims made by QAnon had an expiration date. This is

706
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Speaker 1: something that this is something that leads to the downfall

707
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 1: of a lot of apocalyptic belief systems right where you know,

708
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 1: we see it tail as old as time. There's a

709
00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 1: charismatic cult leader. And I'm not saying this is what

710
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 1: q is and I'm not saying it's a cult. But

711
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 1: in the case of cults, there's a charismatic leader who says,

712
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 1: due to some divine revelation or another, I know that

713
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:12,320
Speaker 1: the world will end on November third, sixteen forty five.

714
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 2: Get to a cave.

715
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,800
Speaker 1: We will be like the sons and daughters of Adam

716
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 1: and Eve strike down the unworthy, you know what I mean?

717
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 1: And then sure enough, the next day comes and the

718
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 1: world keeps spinning on its Mary Mary Sinister way. So

719
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 1: what happens here is that many of the claims made

720
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:37,840
Speaker 1: by QAnon later it turned out to be demonstrably false.

721
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 1: John Podesta was not indicted on November third of twenty seventeen.

722
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 1: Huma Abideen was not indicted on November sixth, twenty seventeen.

723
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Speaker 3: That we're aware of, that, we're aware.

724
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 1: Of unless they're wearing those secret ankle bracelets.

725
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 3: And then what if they actually were wearing ankle bracelets. Guys,

726
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 3: I'm gonna feel so silly, because I genuinely feel like

727
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 3: it's silly. I feel like it it's not possible, but

728
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:08,800
Speaker 3: I've been surprised before.

729
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest and this, you know, I don't

730
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 1: want to say too much personal stuff, but this reminds

731
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 1: me of something. There is a religious aspect to this,

732
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 1: a fervance to it, and this reminds me of you know,

733
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 1: hearing about, like to say, which religions, but hearing about

734
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 1: specific religions with very specific requirements for behavior. Not just

735
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 1: the like don't be a dick stuff that most religions do,

736
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:37,800
Speaker 1: but like very specific religions. And I always used to wonder.

737
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 1: I used to think, you know, what if that's the

738
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 1: one that's true. What if you die and it turns

739
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:47,359
Speaker 1: out that it's just this one specific thing, like it's

740
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 1: a myth raism the whole time, that's what it was.

741
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 1: And I always thought, you know, if I get to

742
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 1: the afterlife, I feel like I'm gonna be one of

743
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 1: those people, as little Larry David about him, like, all right, fine,

744
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 1: you got me. But just to be fair, your pr stinks.

745
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:06,879
Speaker 1: And those are weirdly specific rules, so weird in fact,

746
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 1: that I don't think I'd be comfortable hanging out with

747
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 1: the rest of your gang on the other side of

748
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,839
Speaker 1: the gate. Yeah, there you go, Because I like polyesters.

749
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, you're mixing, you're mixing all that.

750
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 3: So it's pretty leviticoush we're talking about, which is a

751
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:21,800
Speaker 3: great read. I would recommend it, oh yeah to anyone

752
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 3: out there.

753
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 1: But you see, you see what I'm saying like this,

754
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 1: The problem here is if you're applying critical thinking of

755
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 1: the problem here is in the specificity of the claims, right,

756
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 1: because they can be disproven, and this is something that

757
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 1: QAnon notices and responds to.

758
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 2: Right.

759
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 1: QAnon has said that these false predictions are necessary because

760
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 1: disinformation is necessary. So maybe they're saying, we know that

761
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:58,879
Speaker 1: the bad guys, the deep state is also reading this,

762
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 1: so we need to get them off the trail the

763
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 1: same way, for instance, that in state craft, if you

764
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 1: have a compromised source, like a compromised spy source, a

765
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 1: compromise communication channel, or a compromised computer network, you never

766
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 1: shut it down. Ideally, you go to a redundancy channel, right,

767
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 1: you go to a backup channel, and you keep that

768
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,800
Speaker 1: other stuff running, and then you just fill it with crap.

769
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, and it's incredible before sorry, I just loved

770
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 3: the idea.

771
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Speaker 2: And then you just fill it with crap. That's true.

772
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 1: That's seriously what you do.

773
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 2: That's beautiful.

774
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 1: Uh So, now we know that this the specificity in

775
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 1: terms of the calendar claims. It ended up shooting this

776
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 1: concept in the foot for a lot of people, and

777
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 1: previous believers became somewhat dissillusion. But we also know that

778
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:55,799
Speaker 1: due to the vague nature of those postings and the

779
00:46:55,880 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 1: sort of zen cone one liner of questions. People who

780
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 1: were proponents of this began saying, well, we can explain

781
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 1: some of the things that appear to be incorrect by

782
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:15,320
Speaker 1: our interpretation, our understanding, our realization of what they're actually

783
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 1: saying in these statements, and now it leads us to

784
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 1: an ugly truth. It may sound like we're it may

785
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 1: sound like we are for some folks being harsh on

786
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:31,360
Speaker 1: the concept of QAnon, But the fact is that the

787
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:34,800
Speaker 1: stuff that has been presented as proof, and has indeed

788
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:39,280
Speaker 1: been presented as the strongest indication of proof or sand

789
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 1: to the story, has just hasn't held up to scrutiny

790
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 1: at this point. Now, if it's wrong, if it turns

791
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 1: out that there are people who are wearing ankle monitor

792
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 1: bracelets and our or anklets or whatever and are just

793
00:47:56,040 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 1: playing a role in public life until the the I

794
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 1: don't know, the pendulum swings or the hammer falls, and

795
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 1: they all go to guantanamo. If that is true, then

796
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:11,919
Speaker 1: it has been it is being pulled off immaculately. Well, yep,

797
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 1: it would be one of the most successful examples of

798
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 1: cooperation in the recent history of our species.

799
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 3: You're welcome, right, right, But doing all this behind the scenes, guys,

800
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:26,880
Speaker 3: But you're finally gonna let everyone know it was you.

801
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 3: Huh that it was not me?

802
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 1: Oh right, classic move.

803
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 3: But I want to talk about how the reason why

804
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 3: it feels unbelievable to a lot of people, and I

805
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:41,319
Speaker 3: would say somewhat to myself, is because it's trying, or

806
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:44,239
Speaker 3: it's attempting or it has been made to be an

807
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 3: uber conspiracy, like the reason behind everything. Right, all of

808
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 3: the things that are bad that are happening that we're

809
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 3: noticing out there are all a part of.

810
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 2: This one thing.

811
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's yeah. Did it just is it like that

812
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:03,879
Speaker 1: poem where you know, the reach must exceed the grasp else,

813
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 1: what's a heaven for?

814
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 2: Yeah?

815
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 1: It maybe went too big because if we look at

816
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 1: the structure of the argument, it did attempt to and

817
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 1: does attempt to incorporate more and more things because it

818
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:22,439
Speaker 1: is crowdsourced. You know, there are there are people who

819
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 1: are getting their own hobby horse in the Q and

820
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 1: on conversation, right, and then they're they're pushing that and

821
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:33,720
Speaker 1: that may actually contradict things that other people are saying,

822
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 1: although they are supposed to be on the same team.

823
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:39,719
Speaker 1: And you know, former supporters have reacted to this by

824
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 1: saying Q itself is compromised, and also fairly persuasive arguments

825
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 1: that Twitter bots or other bots out of Russia got

826
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 1: a hold of the information and mainstreamed it to Twitter,

827
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:53,240
Speaker 1: and the president himself does seem to be at times

828
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 1: tacitly supporting aspects of the theory is retweeted accounts or

829
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 1: statements or statements from accounts that are heavily linked to Q.

830
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Speaker 3: Well, and you know, there of course, here we just

831
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 3: have to talk about a lot of a lot of

832
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 3: people pointing out that at rallies, at political events in

833
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 3: the background, you will see quite often Q and On

834
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:16,879
Speaker 3: posters or things that are written that appear to be

835
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Speaker 3: in support of the Q and on theory that is

836
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Speaker 3: just And then it appears that from an optic standpoint,

837
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Speaker 3: President Trump hasn't worked to get that out of his

838
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:31,840
Speaker 3: you know, political events. But again, how would one actually

839
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Speaker 3: do that. There are a lot of things, Yeah, there's

840
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:37,279
Speaker 3: a lot in there, and I'm just I'm so sorry.

841
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 3: I want to keep going here really quickly because as

842
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:43,760
Speaker 3: someone and I'm going to speak openly here as someone

843
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 3: who has dismissed this, at least to a certain extent,

844
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Speaker 3: I have to acknowledge that the problems, the major problems

845
00:50:56,480 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 3: that are outlined by q Annon, whoever this person is is,

846
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:04,240
Speaker 3: or whoever you know, whether or not they're compromised or whatever,

847
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 3: the major problems that are outlined there, I know for

848
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 3: a fact are real.

849
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Speaker 2: Give me an example.

850
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:16,400
Speaker 3: Anyone running in this country for a Democratic or a

851
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 3: Republican in part of the two party system, running for president,

852
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 3: let's say, or high level position or the Senate. They

853
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 3: work on either side of that aisle with the same

854
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:32,799
Speaker 3: many times the exact same money powers that help them

855
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 3: get there.

856
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:38,240
Speaker 2: Sure we also know that giant corporations contribute equal amounts

857
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 2: to both parties. They're hedging their bets depending on who wins,

858
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:44,319
Speaker 2: you know, they want to be on the right side

859
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:45,280
Speaker 2: of whoever is in power.

860
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Speaker 1: I want to go back to something here. There's something

861
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 1: else that I think the mainstream media is missing in

862
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:56,800
Speaker 1: the story of QAnon, and it is this. They're so busy,

863
00:51:57,160 --> 00:52:02,359
Speaker 1: you know, harping on the things they're easily dismissible, easily disprovable,

864
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 1: but they're not hitting the primary question, which is why

865
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Speaker 1: I think you're gay at here, Matt. It's this. There

866
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 1: is no question that the world of politics operates in

867
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 1: two distinct spheres. First, what you the public, are sold,

868
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 1: and second, what happens behind the curtain. We talked about

869
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:23,399
Speaker 1: this on the show before. It's pretty obvious there tends

870
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 1: to be more to the story than the official narrative states,

871
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 1: especially in high stake situations like state level politics. Do

872
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:33,279
Speaker 1: you think diplomats of countries who hate each other are

873
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 1: not getting together on phone calls and going like, hey man,

874
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 1: you know the other guy was kind of unreasonable, but

875
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 1: let's see what we can work on with this together. Yes,

876
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 1: And then do you think they're not going to public

877
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 1: statements and going like, you know, death to disco or whatever,

878
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:51,800
Speaker 1: and then calling the people who run the disco and saying,

879
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 1: hey man, you know it's kind of rough here, like

880
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:55,800
Speaker 1: could you give me a little let's see what we

881
00:52:55,840 --> 00:53:00,200
Speaker 1: can work out. You know, there's negotiation there. And the

882
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:05,839
Speaker 1: problem here is that they're also ignoring the fact that

883
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 1: something like a deep state does exist. It's just not

884
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 1: as monolithic as some theories would have us believe. Is

885
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:17,880
Speaker 1: there a group of just one small group of people

886
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 1: that runs the world. Probably not. Are there dozens of

887
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 1: groups of very powerful people and institutions who feel like

888
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:30,879
Speaker 1: they should run the world. Absolutely corporations right, private equity institutions,

889
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, very insulated ruling families of

890
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 1: one nation or another. These are the things that operate

891
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 1: like the deep states that are talked about here. A

892
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 1: deep state is there's a banality.

893
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:49,799
Speaker 2: To evil, right, So follow the money, right, follow.

894
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 1: The money, or follow unelected civil servants who have tremendous

895
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 1: power and have their hands on the levers of government

896
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 1: and may have their own political agendas. Now I'm not

897
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 1: saying they're all out automatically evil. I'm saying that if

898
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:06,719
Speaker 1: you listen to this, you can't elect them, and it's

899
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 1: very difficult for them to get fired. In any case.

900
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 2: The notion of evil in the situation is kind of

901
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 2: a misnomer. I think it's maybe it's greed or it's

902
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:20,320
Speaker 2: just kind of control, but it's not necessarily inherently evil

903
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:23,239
Speaker 2: by its very nature. It's not trying to rape and

904
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 2: pillage and.

905
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:26,360
Speaker 3: Have to throw in there. A lot of this theory

906
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:30,680
Speaker 3: has to do with child sex abuse and other abuse

907
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:33,360
Speaker 3: that's in there and other young adults. And we have

908
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 3: found recently no, no, no, last year. Don't that that

909
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:38,879
Speaker 3: stuff is very much real, and powerful people.

910
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:45,240
Speaker 2: Very specific like aberrant, you know, click of powerful people

911
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 2: that believe they deserve whatever it is that they want

912
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 2: and they're creepy fetishes or whatever that they feel like

913
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:51,680
Speaker 2: they are.

914
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 3: Owed are the ones that we've identified. But we've identified.

915
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 2: But I don't think that. I think the notion that

916
00:54:56,000 --> 00:55:01,400
Speaker 2: all powerful people are inherently like pedophilic sex fiends.

917
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 3: Is absolutely not sure. Yeah, no, absolutely that is not true.

918
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:06,920
Speaker 3: That is one hundred percent not true. But like this

919
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:11,239
Speaker 3: show does, and as we explore every time, sometimes it

920
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 3: is true.

921
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:16,319
Speaker 1: The UK, the Franklin scandal, the Epstein scandal, Belgium, it's

922
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 1: just four Yeah, so this is true, but it's also

923
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 1: it's it is you know, it works really well as

924
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 1: red meat to motivate people because it's something that it's

925
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 1: something that no decent human being would somehow justify, you

926
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:36,239
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Anybody who supported that is a

927
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:40,840
Speaker 1: bad person and also one other thing. So so the

928
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:44,759
Speaker 1: truth is disturbing, right, this didn't come from nothing. There

929
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:46,839
Speaker 1: are people that you will never meet, that you will

930
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 1: never elect, who control more aspects of your life and

931
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 1: the globe than any one person or one institution should However,

932
00:55:55,960 --> 00:56:00,759
Speaker 1: without solid proof, we also can't blame critics who say

933
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 1: that q itself was just an Internet troll stringing people

934
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:07,320
Speaker 1: along for the lulls. You remember lulls, Matt.

935
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:10,479
Speaker 3: I remember the lulls. I got so many lulls, oh man,

936
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 3: and I did most everything for them.

937
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 1: So there we are. This is the story of QAnon

938
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:23,560
Speaker 1: so far, just a high level look, and you can

939
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 1: read more about it in depth, including specific claims which,

940
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 1: as we said, lead in all sorts of directions. The

941
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 1: idea that Angele Merkel is the daughter of Adolf Hitler,

942
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 1: that Kim Jong un was put in place by the

943
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 1: CIA to start a war if it was needed, that.

944
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 3: His genetics didn't even factor into.

945
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 1: It, right, right, And you can see, you can see

946
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:50,799
Speaker 1: all these things. This is a crossover event. This is

947
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:54,400
Speaker 1: also even linking to the Titanic, to the old idea

948
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 1: that JP Morgan sunk it so he can form the

949
00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:57,360
Speaker 1: Fed Reserve.

950
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:01,240
Speaker 3: Guys, it sounds a little bit like somebody took our show,

951
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:05,799
Speaker 3: blasted it out into all these various things, and then

952
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:10,280
Speaker 3: just connected them all back together a little bit, doesn't it.

953
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 1: Paul was c all along.

954
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 2: Oh, we were talking at the top of the show

955
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 2: about famous ces. Uh, and I didn't know this. This

956
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 2: is this is the thing that you you you hit

957
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:23,360
Speaker 2: me to. The Q is a clearance level? Does that

958
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:26,920
Speaker 2: mean it's like the number of clearances as Q is

959
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 2: chronologically in the alphabet. Are there that many? Or is

960
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 2: it just like there's like a clearance, C clearance and

961
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 2: then Q clearance?

962
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 3: Is it just sounds dope, there's an L clearance.

963
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 1: Q clearance is just the Doees equivalent of what we

964
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:42,440
Speaker 1: would call top secret God of their places.

965
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 2: But just to be clear, we don't know who Q is,

966
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 2: if it's one person, if it's some kind of weird

967
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 2: copy pasta thing like I mean and we have and

968
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:54,840
Speaker 2: you know, just to the veracity of these claims in

969
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 2: these posts, to me, it sounds mostly like gobbledegook. Is

970
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 2: the way that it's formatted indicative of some kind of

971
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:06,360
Speaker 2: you know, real brief? Is that the way a brief

972
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 2: like this would be disseminated. Do we have any reason

973
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 2: to believe that there's any veracity to these claims that

974
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 2: people are just going so gaga over?

975
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 3: So?

976
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:18,120
Speaker 1: The interesting thing about that is there are plenty of

977
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 1: people who do believe that they have cracked the case,

978
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 1: and they believe it based on what they see as

979
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 1: their psychological their ability to divine or decipher the psychology

980
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:35,480
Speaker 1: behind the statements. But to be completely honest, no one,

981
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:40,600
Speaker 1: none of the true believers, unanimously agree on the identity.

982
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 2: I think it's interesting too when you see reporting about this,

983
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:47,680
Speaker 2: these folks are referred to as followers, which really does

984
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 2: give it like almost this cult like status, which makes

985
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:55,840
Speaker 2: sense because it's based on what essentially amounts to some

986
00:58:55,920 --> 00:59:00,400
Speaker 2: sort of weird mystical political scriptures. I said at the

987
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:01,600
Speaker 2: top of the show. It reminds it sounds like a

988
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 2: weird poem because the way it's written is almost like

989
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:07,680
Speaker 2: a riddle or like some kind of strange incantation. Almost.

990
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:12,040
Speaker 2: It does have this very odd religious quality to it.

991
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:16,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a doomsday aspect, I think. And at this

992
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:20,480
Speaker 1: point we have to mention that this is ongoing. You

993
00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:23,560
Speaker 1: can visit any number of sites now and you can

994
00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 1: hear the current debate because despite the fact that numerous

995
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:34,840
Speaker 1: predictions have proven to be untrue, the people do continue

996
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:39,120
Speaker 1: to support this belief, and people do continue to argue

997
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:43,600
Speaker 1: that the things that may appear to be missteps in

998
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:48,120
Speaker 1: policy are purposeful and happening for some reason that will

999
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:52,080
Speaker 1: be revealed at a later date, which has been predicted

1000
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:55,720
Speaker 1: numerous times, has never been the correct date, but apparently

1001
00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:56,600
Speaker 1: may come to pass.

1002
00:59:56,760 --> 00:59:59,360
Speaker 2: Yes, how predictions go. And then it's always like that,

1003
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:02,840
Speaker 2: I will say in terms of like, how is this

1004
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:06,680
Speaker 2: going to continue to linger? I think largely it may

1005
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:11,440
Speaker 2: because of the fact that the president keeps retweeting some

1006
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:15,120
Speaker 2: of these sources. You know, folks with screen names like

1007
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:19,320
Speaker 2: jan bought three five four two two, the kinds of

1008
01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:22,280
Speaker 2: screen names that are typically associated with these, you know,

1009
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 2: Russian bots that are disseminating all this misinformation. And we've

1010
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:28,480
Speaker 2: talked about this off air. Whether the president I'm sorry

1011
01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 2: it was debport zero three seven five five zero seven six,

1012
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:35,480
Speaker 2: Whether or not the president is purposely trying to disseminate

1013
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:40,840
Speaker 2: this to criticize his rivals at any cost, whether or

1014
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:46,560
Speaker 2: not that cost is pushing dangerous, potentially dangerous misinformation out

1015
01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:50,440
Speaker 2: to his what seventy million followers, or whether he just

1016
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:53,040
Speaker 2: thinks it's cute, funny. He does that often, and he'll

1017
01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:55,560
Speaker 2: think something's just kind of a funny joke, or you know,

1018
01:00:56,720 --> 01:00:59,440
Speaker 2: puts egg on the face of one of his political rivals.

1019
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:02,160
Speaker 2: I don't know which one it is, but the fact

1020
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:07,400
Speaker 2: is that over the holiday weekend he retweeted QAnon sources

1021
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:12,240
Speaker 2: something like twenty five times, and then kept retweeting responses

1022
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:15,200
Speaker 2: to his retweets from other qan on accounts.

1023
01:01:15,640 --> 01:01:18,000
Speaker 1: That's that's the thing, though, to a twitter like, once

1024
01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:20,560
Speaker 1: you get once you get hooked in, I'm slapping my

1025
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:23,520
Speaker 1: arm with two fingers, and the impression of like addicts.

1026
01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:25,800
Speaker 1: Once you get hooked into the tweets and the retweets,

1027
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:28,760
Speaker 1: you just start retweeting. It's so easy. It's a slippery,

1028
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:29,520
Speaker 1: slippery slope.

1029
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:32,040
Speaker 2: Be careful. Do you guys think he still does his

1030
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:35,120
Speaker 2: own tweets? Yes, like just he's got a device. He

1031
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:38,720
Speaker 2: refused He's not supposed to, but I believe he refused.

1032
01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:38,880
Speaker 3: To give it up.

1033
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:45,600
Speaker 1: Yeah. Recently, recently the President notified notified Congress via social

1034
01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:51,560
Speaker 1: media that he that his tweets and declarations on social

1035
01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:56,120
Speaker 1: media did count as official policy declarations or informing Congress.

1036
01:01:56,880 --> 01:01:59,080
Speaker 1: You can read that. I don't think that tweet will

1037
01:01:59,120 --> 01:02:01,920
Speaker 1: be deleted by the time this comes out. But don't

1038
01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:05,760
Speaker 1: let the conversation and here, folks, we want to hear

1039
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:09,040
Speaker 1: from you. What's your opinion. Is there a q Andon

1040
01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:14,320
Speaker 1: prediction that did come true? And if so, what we'd

1041
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:16,280
Speaker 1: like to hear about it. We'd like to hear about

1042
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:19,440
Speaker 1: it from you. You can find us and your fellow

1043
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:22,480
Speaker 1: listeners on Facebook, on Instagram, on Twitter. Where are some

1044
01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:27,040
Speaker 1: derivation of conspiracy stuff where conspiracy stuff show. We highly

1045
01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:31,400
Speaker 1: recommend our Facebook page. Here's where it gets crazy. And

1046
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:34,720
Speaker 1: you know the memes alone, Oh.

1047
01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:37,440
Speaker 3: It's going to be rife with them after this episode.

1048
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:41,360
Speaker 3: I can only imagine. You can head over to Amazon

1049
01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:45,640
Speaker 3: search q and on and find the dozens of titles

1050
01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:48,439
Speaker 3: that are based on this this topic. If you wish

1051
01:02:48,520 --> 01:02:52,760
Speaker 3: to read more or just you know, consult your your

1052
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:57,720
Speaker 3: local slash pol slash which stands for politically incorrect. And

1053
01:02:57,800 --> 01:02:59,320
Speaker 3: I know that now and I've learned my lesson and

1054
01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:01,800
Speaker 3: it's okay. We are going to be fine. If you

1055
01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:04,840
Speaker 3: don't want to do that stuff, you can find me

1056
01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:08,320
Speaker 3: on Call of Duty Mobile where I'm st d W

1057
01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:09,200
Speaker 3: I t K.

1058
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:10,720
Speaker 2: Wait there's a Call of Duty Mobile?

1059
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:13,680
Speaker 3: Yes there is, And I would love to play around

1060
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:17,520
Speaker 3: a team deathmatch or domination with you totally into it,

1061
01:03:18,080 --> 01:03:21,760
Speaker 3: loving it, and I'm I'm pretty good at it, So watch.

1062
01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:24,000
Speaker 2: Out anyone else there. There's a Mario Kart mobile now

1063
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:24,959
Speaker 2: it's pretty damn good.

1064
01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:26,160
Speaker 3: And there's also.

1065
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:29,960
Speaker 2: Tony Hawk's skate Jam Yeah, which is like sort of

1066
01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:32,440
Speaker 2: like a mobile version of pro skater Man. These mobile,

1067
01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:34,720
Speaker 2: these little devices just keep getting stronger and stronger.

1068
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:38,360
Speaker 3: Well, I believe Call of Duty may be sponsoring this

1069
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:42,720
Speaker 3: show soon. That'd be cool, So watch out boys. From

1070
01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:44,440
Speaker 3: what I hear, what's your weapon of choice? Are you

1071
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:49,000
Speaker 3: a groundsman? Are you a snipeman? Snipes snipester? Clearly, I

1072
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:53,080
Speaker 3: am not a gamer. I prefer a healthy assault rifle

1073
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:57,640
Speaker 3: with a nice scope on it. Got it that's accurate

1074
01:03:57,760 --> 01:03:59,080
Speaker 3: and reliable.

1075
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:02,520
Speaker 1: And if you don't Call of Duty you can call

1076
01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:03,680
Speaker 1: us directly.

1077
01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:05,600
Speaker 2: We have a phone number as well.

1078
01:04:06,080 --> 01:04:09,760
Speaker 3: Yes, the number is one eight three three STDW.

1079
01:04:11,080 --> 01:04:12,280
Speaker 2: It's your duty call.

1080
01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:16,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, we did it. If you don't want to do

1081
01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:18,880
Speaker 3: any of that stuff and you want to reach out

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