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Speaker 3: Today is Thursday, April thirteenth, twenty twenty three. We are
Speaker 3: two weeks out, fourteen days exactly from the NFL Combine
Speaker 3: in Kansas City. As the draft is woolen along.
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Speaker 2: Every every single thing trying back here, we're trying well,
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Speaker 3: that he's had. We're gonna have a Beamer's choice, tell
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Speaker 3: our third segment today, Leap.
Speaker 5: That's got me terrified, Yeah, because I want to do
Speaker 5: a stump the Beam. You know, can we stump him
Speaker 5: if he doesn't have during during our weekend draft coverage?
Speaker 2: Does he not have tape on these guys?
Speaker 5: He's probably gonna ask us players that he's putting in
Speaker 5: like number three hundred.
Speaker 2: We're like, I haven't seen this guy. Thanks a lot, Beam.
Speaker 2: Then that's when we were sort of the beast. I
Speaker 2: love you. There you go. I like it. How's everybody
Speaker 2: doing doing well? Who'd you watch last night? Brian? Did
Speaker 2: you watch anybody?
Speaker 6: Let's see who I did watch last night, because there
Speaker 6: were several guys that I watched last night and I
Speaker 6: know it did Eric Smith. The other day, I finally
Speaker 6: got around to my the Missouri uh, the Missouri defensive
Speaker 6: end McGuire. We talked about him at all, Isaiah McGuire.
Speaker 6: Isaiah McGuire, so yeah, let me let me get.
Speaker 2: He watched him last night as well, sir. He's a
Speaker 2: bit of a tweeener, isn't he? He is?
Speaker 7: Uh?
Speaker 2: You know what.
Speaker 6: To me, I think he could play defensive end. I
Speaker 6: think that he's one of those guys that when you
Speaker 6: when you watch him play, he's six y four, he's
Speaker 6: to sixty eight.
Speaker 2: Okay, So that's how I would.
Speaker 6: Say he's He definitely has that NFL ready frame and
Speaker 6: he's thick, he's got length. Uh, he could his initial
Speaker 6: I know Aish is really big on this. When you
Speaker 6: start talking about defensive lineman, that hand, the shock that
Speaker 6: you have the ability to control.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 6: He is all about getting up the field. That is
Speaker 6: what he absolutely really wants to do. He's not really
Speaker 6: a guy that has I don't think a lot of
Speaker 6: really nifty type pass rush moves.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's more of a bull rush kind of a guy.
Speaker 6: He's going to take the tackle, he's going to try
Speaker 6: and walk him and uh, you know, you gotta be
Speaker 6: He's got to be a little careful in the run
Speaker 6: game because you will you'll see him get driven out
Speaker 6: of gaps a little bit. With the way he plays
Speaker 6: for six four two sixty eight, you would think he'd
Speaker 6: be a little bit more stouter at the point of attack.
Speaker 6: But the majority of host rushes, like I say, are
Speaker 6: bull rushes. And he gets to it, you know, that way,
Speaker 6: but he does. He wants to get up the field.
Speaker 6: He wants to chase the ball. He could finish when
Speaker 6: he gets in position, and the linked I think is super,
Speaker 6: super impressive, and that's why I think that the Cowboys
Speaker 6: are looking at This was a late add to me
Speaker 6: because I didn't have this guy initially. And I started
Speaker 6: talking to some scout guys around the league and they're like,
Speaker 6: what do you think of the maguire kid from Missouri?
Speaker 2: And it was like.
Speaker 6: Aisha when she takes her little notes and writes guys down.
Speaker 6: I did the same thing on this guy, and this
Speaker 6: is what this is what I saw.
Speaker 2: I love everything you said at the length to me.
Speaker 5: When he uses his arms and he's able to extend
Speaker 5: in that bull rush, I mean, that's really what he
Speaker 5: loves to do. He plays with a lot of power.
Speaker 5: But Brian's absolutely right in terms of the gap integrity.
Speaker 5: He can get caught a little bit upfield because to
Speaker 5: his point, he's always trying to rush up and I
Speaker 5: think sometimes his rush can kind of get a little
Speaker 5: wide of the quarterback at times.
Speaker 2: But there is a lot to like high upside player.
Speaker 5: I think he's got the prototypical size and athleticism for
Speaker 5: the position. I'm a fan of HEAs I mean in
Speaker 5: the fourth round range. If you don't end up taking
Speaker 5: an end and you want one there and you've kind
Speaker 5: of filled some of your other spots, maybe he's one
Speaker 5: of the higher rated players on your board.
Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of upside with him.
Speaker 6: See that's the guy too again, excuse me, sure real quick,
Speaker 6: that's the guy that you fear about missing that all
Speaker 6: of a sudden he gets picked and you should have
Speaker 6: watched it.
Speaker 2: But you're watching some seventh round guy that's probably not
Speaker 2: going to get picked. You know, that's how you have
Speaker 2: to use your time.
Speaker 6: And you know, the scouting world, the media scouts sometimes
Speaker 6: are behind the real scouts.
Speaker 2: And luckily that you know, when I was fortunate enough
Speaker 2: to work with some real scouts and there's like, no, man,
Speaker 2: you got to watch the scout. Yeah, you gotta go wch.
Speaker 5: I was glad you recommended him because he was a
Speaker 5: fun watch, especially against Brodery Jones and that game against
Speaker 5: Rorty about that show and they had a good battle.
Speaker 8: I didn't have a whole bunch of implanty y'all said
Speaker 8: everything y'all need to say about him.
Speaker 4: But I was going to say, when.
Speaker 8: You talk about his length and his arms, I wrote
Speaker 8: down has to find consistent leverage.
Speaker 4: Yeah, just because, like you.
Speaker 8: Guys mentioned, sometimes he is so trying to get upfield
Speaker 8: that he can get overpowered. I've seen it a couple
Speaker 8: of times, and he's not not powerful, like he has power.
Speaker 4: It's just that the leverage thing. Sometimes. I like how
Speaker 4: he disengages.
Speaker 8: That's one of my favorite things about him, is how
Speaker 8: he disengages and how he wants to disengage, Like he's
Speaker 8: trying to get these guys.
Speaker 4: He tossed the guy a couple of times.
Speaker 2: Yeah, with those arms.
Speaker 5: It's when he plays with his he uses his reach
Speaker 5: to his advantage, and he doesn't do it enough. You know,
Speaker 5: when he's able to extend and then scrape off, that's
Speaker 5: when he's kind of at his best. I didn't want
Speaker 5: to ask you guys, because I was watching Andrew Vore.
Speaker 5: He's the USC guard who had that unfortunate towards a right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, where would you guys pick him? Because he's he's
Speaker 2: a heck of a football player, man.
Speaker 4: I would just pick him.
Speaker 2: We're at huh, what do you mean just whenever?
Speaker 4: Noah, I don't know about I wouldn't be afraid for
Speaker 4: the cowboys. I don't know by everyboyoo.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but with.
Speaker 8: This train of staff that they have here and stuff,
Speaker 8: I would not be afraid to pick him.
Speaker 4: Maybe in the coming off a c O.
Speaker 2: Yeah, al, maybe in the fourth yeaheah. I think that's fair,
Speaker 2: you know, I think that to me.
Speaker 6: There used to be a time in the uh in
Speaker 6: the drafting back in the day, and I don't know
Speaker 6: if they'd do it as much anymore. My last room
Speaker 6: I sat in was two thousand and five, but we
Speaker 6: used to do this. The fourth round was like the
Speaker 6: criminal injured ground round if you were a criminal, if
Speaker 6: you're a criminal, just being honest, you know, just being honest.
Speaker 2: This is where Brian would have gotten picked.
Speaker 6: Yeah, this is but the fourth round was always for
Speaker 6: the criminal guys and the injured guys. You know, if
Speaker 6: you had something where you were thinking, Okay, something happened,
Speaker 6: but we need to give this guy his due, you know.
Speaker 2: Where would you know that that?
Speaker 6: Now that you know, you bring up an interesting point
Speaker 6: because and I used to work criminals, so it sounds
Speaker 6: terrible and I'm about to say a player's name, but
Speaker 6: this is where a guy like Lyle Collins comes into play. Okay, so,
Speaker 6: all of a sudden, Lyle Collins is in a draft
Speaker 6: and Lyle Collins's first round ability coming out of LSU,
Speaker 6: and then all of a sudden things started popping up
Speaker 6: hanging over his head about potential criminal issues, and all
Speaker 6: of a sudden, now everybody's sending their security people to
Speaker 6: Baton Rouge to figure out what's going on, and nobody
Speaker 6: could really get a handle on it. So you didn't
Speaker 6: want to select Lyle Collins if you didn't have all
Speaker 6: the information. And so then it turned into, well, let's
Speaker 6: just go after him as a free agent.
Speaker 2: Let's see. You know, we're not you know, no harm,
Speaker 2: no foul here.
Speaker 6: You know, if we get beat on this, if it
Speaker 6: works out, if it doesn't work out, we don't lose anything.
Speaker 6: So but there was a time, like I said, where
Speaker 6: we would sit there in the fourth round and if
Speaker 6: you knew all the information, but we're just a little bit,
Speaker 6: just a little bit, you know, maybe a little bit hesitant,
Speaker 6: but you're like, now we need to take this guy.
Speaker 6: That worth round was always the medical and always that
Speaker 6: round where you you did that, but Lyle was one
Speaker 6: of those guys that you didn't have all the information
Speaker 6: to put him up on the board with confidence.
Speaker 3: And where by no means calling Andrew voorh he's a
Speaker 3: criminal and compares to criminals.
Speaker 2: In the medicals.
Speaker 6: I'm just I'm sorry that I'm just being I'm being
Speaker 6: really honest about how scouting works. Sure, and you know,
Speaker 6: and these teams say that they don't you know, it's
Speaker 6: in those war rooms you say things. I live this,
Speaker 6: So I'm just giving you an idea. Yeah, am I
Speaker 6: calling these guys criminals? No, they're criminal things that they
Speaker 6: might have done right, some background stuff, background stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's one of those guys. Man.
Speaker 5: I think for the Cowboys, he's interesting to consider because
Speaker 5: you look at the guard position, like maybe he doesn't
Speaker 5: play for you this year, so is he going to
Speaker 5: come in and help right away? But the future of
Speaker 5: Zach Martin? How many more years is you going to play?
Speaker 5: Do you want to be able to take a guy
Speaker 5: who might be a Day two pick and most raps
Speaker 5: could be a second rounder and you're able to get
Speaker 5: him early day three because of the injury and he
Speaker 5: falls because to me, the way that he's able to
Speaker 5: run block, the way that he's constantly able to finish blocks.
Speaker 5: He's always turning those legs driving blockers back. I think
Speaker 5: he's run blocking's better than his past blocking. But he's
Speaker 5: super technical. He's very consistent. You know exactly what you're getting.
Speaker 5: And the ACL injuries I don't think scared teams as
Speaker 5: much as they used to.
Speaker 8: I was about to say, if you the Cowboys you like, well,
Speaker 8: I don't know what that's going like right now, but
Speaker 8: I will say, whatever Terrence Steele is doing, hey Andrew,
Speaker 8: can y'all get together and talk about it or whatever
Speaker 8: the case may be and see if we can get
Speaker 8: him on the same regiment, because I mean, yeah, acls
Speaker 8: are slowly but surely. I remember growing up when I
Speaker 8: would see a guy terr at ACL in NFL, I
Speaker 8: felt like his.
Speaker 7: Career was over.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I felt like his career was done.
Speaker 8: And I think that modern technology, also modern medicine and
Speaker 8: just fantastic training, different regiments and stuff are starting to
Speaker 8: allow players.
Speaker 4: To come back earlier.
Speaker 8: What would what would his timeline, well, the normally normal
Speaker 8: a CL timeline, What are you looking at possibly getting boy?
Speaker 3: He he would be If so, he tore it at
Speaker 3: the combine, that's early March, like late February.
Speaker 2: I don't think you would have him for the year. No, No,
Speaker 2: it would be sometime in the middle of.
Speaker 6: This is this is this is a pick and stash
Speaker 6: is what this is. This is a pick and stash.
Speaker 3: See, and I think with that I would be comfortable
Speaker 3: in the fifth give me a give.
Speaker 2: Me a fifth round pick. And if that's the case.
Speaker 3: It was a two time All American and he played
Speaker 3: a ton of games for USC. He started as a
Speaker 3: freshman and continued through the COVID year and everything.
Speaker 2: He was voted the best blocker in the PAC twelve. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean you can see it.
Speaker 6: It's called the excuse me, I think it's called the
Speaker 6: Morris Trophy that they give you the best blocker in
Speaker 6: the in the PAC twelve.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean he's he's.
Speaker 6: Everything you really talk about in an offensive lineman. I mean,
Speaker 6: he's he's made a bunch of starts.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: He is. The thing that he might struggle with a
Speaker 2: little bit is and I don't know if you noticed this,
Speaker 2: he gets a little top heavy.
Speaker 6: Yeah, the way he play, and so you wonder if
Speaker 6: if you become. If you're a top heavy player, are
Speaker 6: you gonna be able to recover.
Speaker 2: Like that against better competition? Are you gonna be able?
Speaker 6: And not that the Pac twelve plays bad football, They've
Speaker 6: got outstanding players, but are you going to be able
Speaker 6: to recover if you get a little top heavy, if
Speaker 6: you get off balance and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: That's the thing. That's the thing that.
Speaker 6: I only worry about him, But man, he is. This
Speaker 6: guy is a blue collar, hard working guy. That I mean,
Speaker 6: the knee been, the foot quickness. There's a lot of
Speaker 6: things about him that you can surely like.
Speaker 2: One thing that I need to go look at.
Speaker 3: But about Vorhee specifically, because I watched his twenty twenty
Speaker 3: two tape and he's solid. He's a solid player. I
Speaker 3: thought the top heaviness was there. I thought the way
Speaker 3: that he reset was kind of iffy at times. But
Speaker 3: from a most from a footwork standpoint, from a fundamental standpoint,
Speaker 3: he's a good blocker.
Speaker 2: The one thing I heard.
Speaker 3: Is that his twenty one tape was better than his
Speaker 3: twenty two tape. And I have not watched his twenty
Speaker 3: one tape yet, okay, and I heard it was much better.
Speaker 3: Maybe that's something that we look into. Hey, maybe we
Speaker 3: pushed his great up in the fourth round. This guy, though,
Speaker 3: does have a history of knee problems.
Speaker 6: Okay, So I mean, so if you go back and
Speaker 6: you check his medical stuff, he's had a foot problem,
Speaker 6: he's had a knee problem. I'm sure he's played through
Speaker 6: a lot of things. And I think at twenty eighteen
Speaker 6: he had a meniscus tear that he was dealing with too. Yeah,
Speaker 6: I did so, So you know, you're talking about a
Speaker 6: guy that as an offensive lineman that the wear and
Speaker 6: tear on these guys is not great. You know, are
Speaker 6: you drafting a guy that's always going to be dealing
Speaker 6: with injuries like that?
Speaker 4: There's knees that's something to look at.
Speaker 8: And then also too, just it sounds like the conversation
Speaker 8: of age has been a thing also through this this
Speaker 8: draft in particular, And so, yeah, being a five year
Speaker 8: starter is great, But then when you possibly I missed
Speaker 8: this year, first year, how old is he gonna be.
Speaker 2: He's gonna be twenty five and a half by the
Speaker 2: time he sees his first.
Speaker 4: NFL And I wonder if that matters to any of these.
Speaker 6: That's that's a that's something that I remember because we
Speaker 6: drafted when I was here, we drafted Terrence Newman out
Speaker 6: of Kansas State, and he was an older corner and
Speaker 6: everybody's like, why would you take an older corner?
Speaker 2: And then he played like eighteen years. He played till
Speaker 2: he was forty. Yeah, played eighteen years or something. That
Speaker 2: was crazy with Terrence.
Speaker 6: And I think what's going to happen is we're going
Speaker 6: to see a cycle because of the COVID seasons and
Speaker 6: people going back. So I have a feeling people are
Speaker 6: going to say, oh, he's an older player. Well, half
Speaker 6: the damn draft is older too, because the guys that
Speaker 6: came back and the inns allowed them to take that
Speaker 6: extra year.
Speaker 2: So you're going to see some It was a corner, that's.
Speaker 6: A it was a five year starter that I looked
Speaker 6: at the other day. But you know, there's, like I'm saying,
Speaker 6: there's there's these guys that you know, we're playing forty
Speaker 6: fifty games, you know, because yeah, because well somebody was
Speaker 6: looking at.
Speaker 3: But Entrey Braswell from a cornerback spot, was born in
Speaker 3: ninety eight, so he's going to be twenty five very soon.
Speaker 6: I saying, the COVID seasons, it'll catch back up to
Speaker 6: where they will.
Speaker 2: You know, they no longer have the option.
Speaker 6: But we're going to get through that cycle of those
Speaker 6: older players and then they're gonna be through.
Speaker 3: We're gonna have some five and six year guys playing.
Speaker 3: You also add in the new element of the nil
Speaker 3: and how college athletes, collegiate athletes, athletes can make money, Yeah,
Speaker 3: while playing willing to stay, so it makes it more
Speaker 3: enticing to stick around until their senior year. They don't
Speaker 3: have to leave as juniors, they don't have to leave
Speaker 3: as red shirt sophomores. They can stick around and make
Speaker 3: their money at the collegiate level as well.
Speaker 2: Aisha, Let's let's hear about somebody else that you watch.
Speaker 2: I want to try.
Speaker 3: My goal today is just to talk prospects. I just
Speaker 3: want to be war room. Let's do this prospects out there.
Speaker 3: I've got a ton of Twitter on the twenty that
Speaker 3: are specifically tell me more. And then we'll get to
Speaker 3: beamer in that third seven as well. So who did
Speaker 3: you watch most recently?
Speaker 9: Oh?
Speaker 8: Yeah, last night I watched j Brown from Penn State. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 8: I hadn't gotten a chance to look at him. I
Speaker 8: mentioned no girls talk, boys talk that I feel like
Speaker 8: safety is something that we have just totally neglected to
Speaker 8: talk about just because we don't.
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 8: It's I think we don't consider it a need for
Speaker 8: the Cowboys right like early in the draft. But it
Speaker 8: is somewhere that I think they could address. But I
Speaker 8: feel like he's so active. He's an electric player, Like
Speaker 8: there's an energy to him. He's so willing to help
Speaker 8: defending the run too, and I love that about I
Speaker 8: love that about him. They use him in blitzing situations
Speaker 8: because he can get there. He has the speed and
Speaker 8: the tenacity. I think that his sideline, the sideline can
Speaker 8: improve as far as coverage, But coming downhill, I mean's
Speaker 8: he's disrespectful, disrespectful. I think that I misspoke because I
Speaker 8: said that I liked JL Skinner. I felt like he
Speaker 8: kind of was more like a Donald. I see a
Speaker 8: lot of Donald and this guy and the way he
Speaker 8: plays and how vicious he plays.
Speaker 4: He's a tone setter in the same.
Speaker 2: I think he had Skinner right well, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I just I feel like with this guy, just
Speaker 8: kind of in comparison to when I when I saw
Speaker 8: Donovan coming out, I was like, Okay, just God's great downhill,
Speaker 8: but I didn't know if it's coveragability fantastic. I think
Speaker 8: Jo has better coveragability than what I thought Donovan had
Speaker 8: coming out.
Speaker 4: In my opinion.
Speaker 8: But anyway, I feel like he impacts the game. I
Speaker 8: feel like he impacts the game because he's so willing
Speaker 8: to be everywhere and it's hard to get him off
Speaker 8: the field.
Speaker 4: And that's one thing I'm noticing about a lot.
Speaker 8: Of these players that are good. They have this thing
Speaker 8: where they're like, especially DB's, They're like, I want to
Speaker 8: play Nickel, I want to be able to play in
Speaker 8: the box. I want to be able to because they
Speaker 8: don't want to come off the field. And he's one
Speaker 8: of those guys. Listening to some of his interviews too,
Speaker 8: he does not want to come off the field, so
Speaker 8: he's trying to do as much as he can do.
Speaker 2: He's got that dog in him.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think his angles.
Speaker 8: I think the further away he gets from the line
Speaker 8: of scrimmage, his angles.
Speaker 4: Can get a little questionable.
Speaker 8: But that's normal, right, I think, no offense, But I
Speaker 8: feel like those are things that safeties have to come
Speaker 8: and continue to learn. But one hundred and twenty two
Speaker 8: tackles and ten picks in two seasons.
Speaker 2: Is nasty. Always around the line.
Speaker 6: He completely nailed him seriously, and I mean, I mean
Speaker 6: the first line out of I think is a much
Speaker 6: better down player than he is back. He does his
Speaker 6: to always want to be around the ball, and he's
Speaker 6: got a career of being around the ball, and you know,
Speaker 6: he's aggressive to a faulty, you know, And there's some
Speaker 6: times where he plays like it's a fire drill where
Speaker 6: he's just kind of running around all over the place
Speaker 6: and you're thinking, like is he really seeing what's going on?
Speaker 6: But then he kind of figures it out and then
Speaker 6: he gets over to the ball. I think the body
Speaker 6: control and balance is going to have to improve a
Speaker 6: little bit at coverage, but.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure that's his best suit.
Speaker 6: I think I's right put him down the box, let
Speaker 6: him tackle, let him like turn people over down there
Speaker 6: and be the physical player.
Speaker 2: But man, he is. He is a He's one of those.
Speaker 6: Guys that kind of thrives in chaos, is what I
Speaker 6: put about him as a safety.
Speaker 5: I was a fan of his, but I think we're
Speaker 5: all coming back to the possibly nervous about him and coverage.
Speaker 5: Like you could see he can get exposed when he's
Speaker 5: asked to flip his hips and cover downfield, so he's
Speaker 5: at his best downhill filling against the run. But for
Speaker 5: the Cowboys, I do think they seem to always be
Speaker 5: looking at these safeties, right because DQ, at least while
Speaker 5: he's been here. And you can always have coaching turnover.
Speaker 5: We know that, So I don't know that you should
Speaker 5: always draft for a specific system or coach. But he
Speaker 5: likes using multiple safeties, and he'll use his safety as
Speaker 5: a linebacker. And Jaiir Brown is kind of one of
Speaker 5: those guys that he could fill, you know, in nickel
Speaker 5: dime packages. He could be essentially a sublimebacker. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 5: because he's best when he's closer to the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 5: And I did put as well, you know, if you
Speaker 5: weren't able to resign because I watched him before the
Speaker 5: Donovan Wilson deal got done, if you couldn't re sign donoh,
Speaker 5: he's a guy that could be a replacement there. So
Speaker 5: I agree with you one hundred percent on h Myisha.
Speaker 2: So does the length worry you at all?
Speaker 3: He's five foot eleven even two oh three, And I
Speaker 3: mean we were talking about JL Skinner Skinner's a different
Speaker 3: body type in terms of a safety because Jae Skinner's
Speaker 3: six foot four, two ten.
Speaker 2: So would you put Jay R.
Speaker 3: Brown up there with the Skinners and the Johnson's and
Speaker 3: the battles that we've kind of mentioned in the top
Speaker 3: echelon of that safety class or is he in another tier?
Speaker 2: Should kind of stack him?
Speaker 8: I think it me personally, it depends on what you
Speaker 8: need him to come in and do. I now, and
Speaker 8: we understand that the big nickel is something that a
Speaker 8: lot of teams are starting to revert to.
Speaker 4: Just given the fact that I just feel.
Speaker 8: Like, well, I will say the Cowboys luxury that they
Speaker 8: have with their safeties is not the norm. I don't
Speaker 8: feel like it's the norm to be like, oh let
Speaker 8: me put three safeties out there. So for the Cowboys,
Speaker 8: he would fit. Now, if you want your safety to
Speaker 8: do more cover stuff, then maybe not. Maybe if it
Speaker 8: just I think it depends on the system.
Speaker 2: Personally, that makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 5: I think he's he's in line with his Skinner for me,
Speaker 5: like I might have him a little bit a little
Speaker 5: bit better than Skinner in certain areas.
Speaker 2: Certain areas, Yeah, for me, I.
Speaker 5: Mean, because there's certain strength that I think Skinner has
Speaker 5: over Brown, but there's certain where I would take Brown
Speaker 5: over Skinner. I think overall, I might like Brown a
Speaker 5: little bit more than I like Skinner. So I think
Speaker 5: he's right in that same top, same conversation. That's a
Speaker 5: propis top.
Speaker 2: One hundred, Brown eighty two, Skinner eighty eight.
Speaker 6: I think there's I think there's a difference between the
Speaker 6: two players, and and I'm not a I have Skinner
Speaker 6: Brown in the same round. Yeah, where, but I would
Speaker 6: take Brown over Skinner on my board.
Speaker 3: That's interesting because we've been very high on Skinner throughout
Speaker 3: and that's not pushing Skinner, but that's that shows just
Speaker 3: how high we are on Dyer Brown and what he
Speaker 3: brings to the table. Yep, Zach, you got a player.
Speaker 5: So I did watch the Miszoo kid, I watched war
Speaker 5: He's how about Trade Dean, the safety from Florida. Okay,
Speaker 5: I've seen split opinions on him. Okay, so Trade Dean's
Speaker 5: not a guy. He's a Day three pick for me.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 5: Right, He's a guy that you know, maybe maybe they
Speaker 5: end up a fifth, sixth rounder. I've got a six
Speaker 5: round grade on him because I think this dude's going
Speaker 5: to be a special teamer and then he's going to
Speaker 5: have to end up competing to get on the field
Speaker 5: as a starting safety. But he's got the football blood
Speaker 5: lines his cousin Amad Black, which drafted by the Bucks
Speaker 5: in the fifth round in twenty eleven. He's another guy
Speaker 5: much like we were just talking about with jayuy Brown.
Speaker 5: He's constantly around the football. He led the team in tackles.
Speaker 5: He can cover tight ends. I think he moves really well,
Speaker 5: looks fluid. He's got a smooth backpedal. I would like
Speaker 5: to see him break on the football a little bit quicker.
Speaker 5: He's going to be in position to make plays, but
Speaker 5: he doesn't quite close fast enough when he gets play recognition.
Speaker 2: He might be a tick late, but he's athletic.
Speaker 5: He's tough, he's willing to hit, can step in and
Speaker 5: cover the slot and carry receivers downfield. Now, he didn't
Speaker 5: test great at the combine, but he looks a lot
Speaker 5: more athletic and fast on tape. He will over pursue,
Speaker 5: doesn't always finish, so I think special teams he's going
Speaker 5: to be an immediate starter, but he's probably going to
Speaker 5: be a backup safety. Initially, and then we'll see how
Speaker 5: his career develops, if he can end up being a starter.
Speaker 5: But I like Trayding. I mean he's a guy that
Speaker 5: also you talk about a safety that's always around the football,
Speaker 5: he goes and finds it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he's one of those guys that, to me, you're right,
Speaker 6: he doesn't play as fast, but when you look at
Speaker 6: the testing numbers, he's got elite numbers. When it comes
Speaker 6: to like three cone drills and stuff like that, he's
Speaker 6: got twenty five on the bench.
Speaker 2: So he's like verticals D he's got.
Speaker 6: If you have quickness, if you have strength, he's got
Speaker 6: recognition too. He just doesn't have really good time speed,
Speaker 6: you know. So that's the thing about him. I think
Speaker 6: the thing is, you know, the length, the toughness, the
Speaker 6: movement part of him, I think is pretty good with him.
Speaker 2: And if you're telling me that he's got the ability
Speaker 2: to the redirection skills and stuff.
Speaker 6: Like that because of the three cones and the shuttles
Speaker 6: and stuff like that, that's something that a lot of
Speaker 6: these NFL teams look at. They look at those shuttle numbers,
Speaker 6: they look at the three If a guy doesn't run fast,
Speaker 6: they're like well, okay, it's not like he's deficient in
Speaker 6: all these areas. But I think you got him right
Speaker 6: where you do in the sixth round. Yeah, I totally
Speaker 6: agree with that.
Speaker 2: Okay, did you get to see him at all?
Speaker 4: Yeah, a little bit. You're not a big fan, No,
Speaker 4: I'm a fan. I just think he has normal safety stuff.
Speaker 2: Like, well he did nothing to like, did wow you
Speaker 2: in any way?
Speaker 8: I mean no, I thought I thought he was decent.
Speaker 8: What I'm saying is is like even his deficiencies to me, I.
Speaker 4: Understand.
Speaker 8: So I'm trying to find the balance and evaluate and like,
Speaker 8: is this something he can get better at?
Speaker 4: Is this is this? I asked myself the ceiling.
Speaker 8: For a safety and most of his weaknesses besides like
Speaker 8: the lack of burst that I see him have sometimes,
Speaker 8: or lack of like aks I have to he has
Speaker 8: sometimes are normal things to me.
Speaker 4: And like I think we talked about angles, just he's
Speaker 4: a tackling machine.
Speaker 8: But you ain't gonna make every single one of them.
Speaker 8: So yeah, no, I like his I like his range
Speaker 8: for the most part. I like his range.
Speaker 4: And he looks the part, like you said, he looks
Speaker 4: the part. He looks like a guy. But I don't.
Speaker 4: I didn't with the testing.
Speaker 8: You think the testing is gonna help make him drop
Speaker 8: because I feel like what I saw in film was
Speaker 8: different than when I saw testing.
Speaker 6: Right, I agree, the test, the testing, the testing is
Speaker 6: going to give him a chance to be drafted, probably
Speaker 6: earlier than we have him on our boards.
Speaker 2: You know. But that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: The thing if he was running a four to six,
Speaker 6: and then it was also the testing numbers were poor,
Speaker 6: then you you would probably say he's he's undraftable.
Speaker 2: Sure, I mean, well, he ran a four s.
Speaker 3: He went ran a four to seven five, which is
Speaker 3: not good, not good safety.
Speaker 5: But he looks to me he played faster when I
Speaker 5: watched him, and they do have him play in covering
Speaker 5: the slots, and I think that he can cover tight ends.
Speaker 5: I think for safeties now, when you're looking at him,
Speaker 5: especially this tight end classes we've talked about it, that's
Speaker 5: super important. Like if you have a safety that you
Speaker 5: don't think can come up and cover a tight end,
Speaker 5: that's gonna be a liability in your defense.
Speaker 4: How can I just that's not a fast time for seek.
Speaker 2: No as bad, not at all terrible. All the rest
Speaker 2: of his numbers and Brian brought this up. The rest
Speaker 2: of his numbers are fine.
Speaker 3: Vertical was thirty six and a half, which is the like,
Speaker 3: that's above average score. You've got ten or ten zero
Speaker 3: zero four broad jump. You've got a four to two
Speaker 3: six and four broad is what?
Speaker 2: That was? Decent? Yeah, that's sorry.
Speaker 3: I was trying to think of how to say that
Speaker 3: without having the scouting number on there. But the uh,
Speaker 3: the numbers outside of the forty were okay. And then
Speaker 3: he went to his prota and he ran a four
Speaker 3: to six eight. Yeah, but his ten yard split was
Speaker 3: worse than it was at the combine, so it didn't
Speaker 3: really help out his case a whole lot.
Speaker 2: But trading is.
Speaker 3: The curious case of the safety position here. In twenty
Speaker 3: twenty three, all right, well we come back. We're gonna
Speaker 3: do some twitter on the twenty including a ton of questions.
Speaker 3: I've had four or five questions about a fullback. What
Speaker 3: fullback could be on the board for the Cowboys at
Speaker 3: some point in the mid rounds. We come back with
Speaker 3: more of the draft show.
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Speaker 3: We had a ton of questions on Twitter on the
Speaker 3: twenty with the fullback position, and there was one that
Speaker 3: specifically has peaked the interest of Cowboys Nation. His name
Speaker 3: is Hunter lip Key from North Dakota State. That's how
Speaker 3: you say it, Hunter lip Key. But he's from the Bison,
Speaker 3: North Dakota State. Decent player. Has anybody watched him? Anybody
Speaker 3: think about how he could fit into this mold because
Speaker 3: Mike McCarthy has been known to love himself some fullbacks,
Speaker 3: and this is one that some people have as high
Speaker 3: as the fourth or fifth round.
Speaker 4: What I've heard about him, I have not watched him
Speaker 4: myself yet.
Speaker 5: I probably saw a little bit of him when I
Speaker 5: was watching Cody malk Yeah, okay, but you.
Speaker 6: Know what, to me, it's funny that you say this
Speaker 6: about the fullback and we should probably may I know me,
Speaker 6: I should probably do this.
Speaker 2: I have not seen this guy play no.
Speaker 6: Either, and and to me, it's it's one of those
Speaker 6: things where here I am, I'm preaching about your missing
Speaker 6: guys or whatever, and I don't know, I don't He
Speaker 6: uses a fullback, right, he ain't picking a full back
Speaker 6: in the fourth round.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I just don't see that. Are you drafting
Speaker 2: a full back or is that a UFA guy? Well?
Speaker 6: Right, it might be a thing where you're looking like
Speaker 6: you say, you're looking at trades and stuff in the
Speaker 6: sixth and seventh round. And I'm not trying to make
Speaker 6: excuses why I didn't see the guy. But right now
Speaker 6: I'm sitting there trying to figure out you know, twenty
Speaker 6: two running backs probably need to figure out one full back.
Speaker 2: I can probably need to do one or two kickers.
Speaker 5: Too, Brian, you know this better than us. When's the
Speaker 5: last time the Cowboys selected a full back?
Speaker 2: Right? I don't know if they I don't think they
Speaker 2: have to. Maybe like Robert Newhouse.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we're trying to cram and get I'm trying to
Speaker 5: get to a minimum of two. You need to look
Speaker 5: at the I'll look at Hunter Lipkey tonight.
Speaker 2: You need Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 3: Here's here's my scouting report that I had on him
Speaker 3: for the draft magazine because I liked him at the
Speaker 3: Combine or not the Combine.
Speaker 2: Excuse me, the Senior Bowl and the Senior Bowl tape
Speaker 2: that he was at the Senior Bowl and Mobile. He
Speaker 2: was pretty impressive. I said.
Speaker 3: He moves exceptionally well without the ball in his hands,
Speaker 3: takes the right angles to make a block in space,
Speaker 3: and he runs crisp routes and keeps his footwork contained
Speaker 3: as he gets moving.
Speaker 2: Can nearly play every position behind the line of scrimmage,
Speaker 2: except for quarterback, of course.
Speaker 3: But I said, when he has the ball in his hands,
Speaker 3: there's just no yards after the catch factor whatsoever. He'll
Speaker 3: labor into defenders instead of trying to avoid them. He
Speaker 3: also gets pushed off the line of scrimmage by bigger
Speaker 3: defenders when he tries to set a block whenever he
Speaker 3: doesn't have momentum behind him.
Speaker 2: So whenever he's just at the line of scrimmage, he's
Speaker 2: coming up.
Speaker 3: He needs a head of steam to really latch onto
Speaker 3: a defender and let him ride backwards. Said not not
Speaker 3: a tight end contingency. He runs the routes, He's able
Speaker 3: to create a little bit of separation, but as soon
Speaker 3: as he catches the ball like he's sitting duck, that's about.
Speaker 8: It, which makes me sad because I actually did. I
Speaker 8: glanced at him and I said, lateral quickness question mark
Speaker 8: so that's kind of him.
Speaker 2: It's not good, I know.
Speaker 8: And then injury bug I said, hurt guy a couple.
Speaker 4: I think he's had a surgery, he had.
Speaker 3: A left shoulder, he missed the final five games of
Speaker 3: this past year, and he had some sort of undisclosed
Speaker 3: injury in twenty twenty through the COVID year.
Speaker 8: And the only thing and it really like Kyle, you
Speaker 8: made some good points about him, just kind of what
Speaker 8: you saw from him. When you guys go back and see,
Speaker 8: I'm sure you will talk about it. But when the
Speaker 8: only reason I would take a fullback in like the
Speaker 8: fourth or something, you looking at a use check. Everybody
Speaker 8: and their mama, Yeah, wants to find the next Kyle
Speaker 8: use check. And with the lack of lateral quickness, it
Speaker 8: kind of takes that away. I don't think that use
Speaker 8: check is just but the fact that you can use
Speaker 8: him in so many different ways and an open space,
Speaker 8: not just coming downhill all the time. It's not always
Speaker 8: just him coming downhill. So I feel like that lessens
Speaker 8: his his I don't like the s well, I don't
Speaker 8: like the stock word, but his draft stock. With the
Speaker 8: fact that there's not use check like qualities all the
Speaker 8: way around it. If I'm gonna take if I'm gonna
Speaker 8: draft a fullback in this game, he gotta have got to.
Speaker 2: Have some of that.
Speaker 5: I want a freak athlete that can be a mismatch
Speaker 5: for you. They can get involved in the passing game.
Speaker 5: He's also going to be a good blocker. I mean,
Speaker 5: I I like the question because I think it's challenging.
Speaker 5: It's challenging me to be more like, all right, let
Speaker 5: me pay more attention to the fullback position, because that's
Speaker 5: one that I think we kind of gloss over.
Speaker 2: When I know I do. I do every time. I
Speaker 2: do every time. I wasn't even having him on there.
Speaker 6: Now I do it every time because to me, like
Speaker 6: I said, you get affected by there's other ways to.
Speaker 2: Get around not I'm sure.
Speaker 6: If somebody said, hey, you've seen this kid from North
Speaker 6: Dakota State at the fullback, that's you know, like, oh
Speaker 6: no I haven't. Oh well you need to watch him
Speaker 6: that kind of thing. There you go, you know, and
Speaker 6: I I do. I mean I feel like that somebody
Speaker 6: could take it. I will say this, if he has
Speaker 6: a history of shoulder problems and he's a fullback, you're out.
Speaker 6: You're not going to be not going to be considered
Speaker 6: very high because that to me, I mean, that's that's
Speaker 6: your whole that's your livelihood.
Speaker 2: You were going to be a battering ram at the
Speaker 2: point of attack. And if you're dealing with shoulder and.
Speaker 6: Neck issues as a fullback, that's not gonna get you
Speaker 6: on many, many, many drafts.
Speaker 5: I think some of the other fullbacks that we we'd
Speaker 5: look at, Javon Williams junior Southern Illinois is a senior
Speaker 5: Ioways got a kid, Monte Pottobomb that could be under consideration.
Speaker 5: But again, I don't know if these guys are gonna
Speaker 5: get drafted. They might be undrafted for rookie free agents
Speaker 5: that the Cowboys could end up bringing in. And maybe
Speaker 5: Lipkey is a guy that does. But I'll watch him tonight.
Speaker 5: I'll take a look at lip Key.
Speaker 3: I've heard Jack's Deneen was kind of impressive from Kansas State.
Speaker 3: That's another fullback that could kind of be in that
Speaker 3: that realm. All of these guys are probably undrafted free agents.
Speaker 2: Except for lip Key. I think he's the only draft
Speaker 2: that's take a look out. And Cowboys Twitter has been
Speaker 2: on them.
Speaker 3: They've they've sent multiple questions about lip key because you
Speaker 3: look at John.
Speaker 5: Coon who is so good in Green Bay with Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 5: So I can see McCarthy maybe wanting to get a
Speaker 5: full back and one that he likes a lot.
Speaker 4: And trust yeah, no more, no more tight ends.
Speaker 5: As no more you know, the h Ben McGovern package,
Speaker 5: the whole package.
Speaker 8: Can we see that completely go with I We'll say
Speaker 8: that sometimes it was it was successful when there was
Speaker 8: a tight end.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but maybe team switched to doing something like that.
Speaker 4: But that's kind of actually gotta make you kind of
Speaker 4: sad because growing up, fullback was a thing.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, man, Well there was.
Speaker 4: A part, there was a part of it.
Speaker 8: There was a point in football that fullback was like
Speaker 8: if you didn't have one, it was looked at it
Speaker 8: as a weak point in.
Speaker 4: Your own game. And so now that the games transition to.
Speaker 6: What's so spread right, Well, this this organization has a
Speaker 6: great history of fullbacks.
Speaker 2: I went all the way back to Robert Newhouse in
Speaker 2: the seventies.
Speaker 6: You know, Darryl Johnston, you know what he's done through
Speaker 6: his the Super Bowl runs and stuff like that. So
Speaker 6: you know, absolutely, it's a it's a it's a depending
Speaker 6: on how your scheme is and how you run the ball.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 6: You know that's that could be a that could be
Speaker 6: a big reason why you have success doing it all.
Speaker 3: Right, next Twitter on the twenty question, tell me more
Speaker 3: about Jackson player, defensive tackle out of Baylor. Has anybody
Speaker 3: seen Jackson player? If you haven't, well we can move
Speaker 3: on to the next name. Anybody seen him? You got him?
Speaker 3: You're a Baylor guy. I am a Baylor guy. But
Speaker 3: if you got him, go don't have him. He actually
Speaker 3: went to my high school. I will tell you he's
Speaker 3: still Waco Midway grad. I watched a lot of uh sika,
Speaker 3: yeah from from Baylor. I watched a lot of him,
Speaker 3: and I just kind of caught a glimpse of Jackson player.
Speaker 3: I don't know a ton about him, even though he
Speaker 3: did go to my high school. Uh what about Kayu
Speaker 3: Blue Kelly from Stanford. Now now we're cooking, Now you're cooking.
Speaker 3: Now we're cooking. Uh yeah, this is uh yeah.
Speaker 6: Stanford was not very good uh at football this year,
Speaker 6: and that was that was one of the reasons why
Speaker 6: my buddy Dave Shaw uh resigned. So but he you know,
Speaker 6: they do they every once in a while. Stanford will
Speaker 6: put in a They do have a great history of
Speaker 6: being able to come up with these guys that that are.
Speaker 6: You know, like with with Shaw, they were super super,
Speaker 6: super tough. I'm trying to get to my notes. Here
Speaker 6: may our our system here at the Cowboys, we're having
Speaker 6: our internet crusty over ky Do you have you seen
Speaker 6: this player what's the name Kyu Blue?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Kye Blue Kelly. Yeah at the corner. Yeah, good player.
Speaker 12: Uh.
Speaker 2: Now him versus Jordan Addison, I've got him right here,
Speaker 2: then go for it, go for it. Then I'll fill
Speaker 2: in the Yeah.
Speaker 6: He's a thin looking player on tape and super competitive
Speaker 6: in the way he plays. Uh, but he'll line up
Speaker 6: on both sides of the field. He's comfortable playing at
Speaker 6: depth or playing up tight. You can he can run
Speaker 6: with this guy. He has really good hand use and
Speaker 6: skill to maintain his position while moving. I thought he
Speaker 6: did a really nice job of reading the route as
Speaker 6: it developed. He tracks the ball well enough, has a
Speaker 6: feel for how to high point or play in the
Speaker 6: air with his or he could play with his off hand.
Speaker 13: Uh.
Speaker 2: You know there were times where he was denying the football. Uh.
Speaker 6: It's the thing that he showed the ability that he
Speaker 6: could be a physical tackler and he's more willing to
Speaker 6: throw his body around to bring a ball carrier down.
Speaker 6: But sometimes he doesn't wrap up. It's just like throwing,
Speaker 6: you know, throwing his body in there.
Speaker 2: Uh he did. He did try and tackle.
Speaker 6: You watch him against Jordan Addison from USC and Addison
Speaker 6: did break free from him for a touchdown.
Speaker 2: But that was it.
Speaker 6: I thought he had a smooth, relaxed pedal playing off.
Speaker 6: He can really come out of his break when driving.
Speaker 6: Type of player that can carry his man all of
Speaker 6: a field. He does compete, and yeah, I think that's
Speaker 6: the thing. That's probably his best trade of base six
Speaker 6: one one ninety one two. So there's a that's the
Speaker 6: redeeming quality about him as well.
Speaker 5: Not he had really good closing speed to make plays
Speaker 5: against screens and hot routes. You can tell opposing offenses
Speaker 5: showed a lot of respect to him.
Speaker 2: They didn't want to challenge him a lot.
Speaker 5: Now he will get blocked, but he's competing like he's
Speaker 5: constantly fighting back. He'll get shoved, he's gonna shove right back.
Speaker 5: He's got some dog in him at corner, which I'm.
Speaker 2: Always looking for.
Speaker 5: I think he can improve as a tackler. You mentioned
Speaker 5: he got beat down field against Addison. I saw that
Speaker 5: as well. He did give up some plays. I think
Speaker 5: he lacks elite speed for the position. I think he's
Speaker 5: at his best when he can get physical with the receiver.
Speaker 2: He stays in phase a little bit better.
Speaker 5: He'll give up some inside leverage, so he can be
Speaker 5: susceptible to some inbreaking routes, but he doesn't get fooled
Speaker 5: by a lot of jukes and dance moves at the
Speaker 5: line of scrimmage. He's got clean feet off the line.
Speaker 5: As one of the notes that I put. I think
Speaker 5: he's anyway, he's probably a third round range for me.
Speaker 5: Is Kyu Blue Kelly. If you end up not taking
Speaker 5: a corner, you know day one and then you're looking
Speaker 5: at day two if you want to go tight end
Speaker 5: in the second round where we think there's going to
Speaker 5: be a run or another position, Kyu Blue Kelly is
Speaker 5: a good corner and take in round three.
Speaker 2: I'd be very happy with him.
Speaker 6: He now got one hundred and forty two guys I've stacked,
Speaker 6: and so he's number ninety nine on my board, so
Speaker 6: he's right inside the top one hundred for.
Speaker 2: Me right inside there, Kyu Blue Kelly to keep it.
Speaker 2: And the name's great. It is a great name. What
Speaker 2: about City?
Speaker 3: So, speaking of a great name, City so offensive guard
Speaker 3: from Eastern Michigan. Peter wanted to know a little bit
Speaker 3: more about that Pete Small School offensive guard. I think
Speaker 3: I got this guy done.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you could talk about him if feeling.
Speaker 2: I have not seen him. So I got two guys
Speaker 2: that I need to watch the night. That's a part
Speaker 2: of the reason. Like I just want to throw names out.
Speaker 2: Then we got hopefully you throw names out that we've seen. Sorry,
Speaker 2: I'm trying City. So what you got? Brian?
Speaker 6: He was the starter at left guard for the Eastern
Speaker 6: Michigan e He's a massive man.
Speaker 2: He tested very well.
Speaker 6: At the combine, and the numbers don't always translate into
Speaker 6: the film study. I would not call him a fluid mover,
Speaker 6: but he's powerful. He can get movement when he comes
Speaker 6: off the ball. His mass is difficult for opponents to
Speaker 6: deal with. Keeps the feet moving at contact in the
Speaker 6: running game adequate to find the targets on those short pools.
Speaker 2: He uses that full extension. He'll roll his hips to
Speaker 2: set his anchor. When he's bull rushed.
Speaker 6: His punch is generally accurate and well timed. He pops
Speaker 6: into a straight leg attack sometimes off the snap. You
Speaker 6: got to be worried about him being a little tall,
Speaker 6: but you know, there's some angle issues that he has
Speaker 6: and he's you know, the body control for the extension
Speaker 6: of the block could be a little bit of a
Speaker 6: problem for him. So, you know, he played a ton
Speaker 6: of snaps at Eastern Michigan. He was He's a Canadian kid,
Speaker 6: so he's gonna need I think he's going to need
Speaker 6: some serious technique work.
Speaker 2: But size makes him worth the shot.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I also say he said he played a
Speaker 4: lot of snaps. I had that he's durable. He's durable,
Speaker 4: like the guy play. He played a lot while he
Speaker 4: was there. He didn't have a lot of injuries.
Speaker 8: And then you mentioned the guard slash tackle flex with him,
Speaker 8: which is important as well. I felt like he was
Speaker 8: really stout at the point of attack. Like you were
Speaker 8: talking about his vicious his punch is it's pretty vicious,
Speaker 8: but I also felt like I'm seeing what else here. Oh,
Speaker 8: I didn't like that he oversets.
Speaker 4: He sets Okay, he.
Speaker 6: Has to almost compensate because he's probably when you overset.
Speaker 6: You're probably a little bit worried about speed or him
Speaker 6: having to deal with.
Speaker 8: That's more because to me of his feet, more because
Speaker 8: of his feet, not his hands. So again things he
Speaker 8: can work on. Him and John Gains U.
Speaker 9: C l A.
Speaker 4: I see a lot of similarities in their play.
Speaker 8: They both, if I'm not mistake, and test it pretty
Speaker 8: well at the combine. So those are two gentlemen that
Speaker 8: I wanted to bring up today anyway because they were
Speaker 8: a little farther down the guard depth chart. But I
Speaker 8: know that there's a possibility that we maybe are looking.
Speaker 3: At that tell me a little bit about Gains because
Speaker 3: if the Cowboys don't go guard early, that could be
Speaker 3: a big time pick up in the middle rounds for sure.
Speaker 4: On let me get onim.
Speaker 6: I got him if you want to, all right, John
Speaker 6: Gains at UCLA, he's the left guard for the Bruins.
Speaker 6: He appears to be much larger and thicker on tape
Speaker 6: than his three to ozho three is what he weighs.
Speaker 6: He tested as the best guard at the combine, but
Speaker 6: again he doesn't really play as well as he tested
Speaker 6: their times where he's off balance, he struggles to keep
Speaker 6: his feet the body control and balance could be a
Speaker 6: little bit all over the place with this guy. He
Speaker 6: tends to struggle on the second level when he's asked
Speaker 6: to get in those positions. He does have some stoutness
Speaker 6: as a pass protector, but the more that he has
Speaker 6: to move, the more trouble he has staying connected with
Speaker 6: the rusher.
Speaker 8: Uh.
Speaker 6: He looked like a highly intelligent player and assignment sound
Speaker 6: type of a guy. He started at center, at guard,
Speaker 6: at tackle, you know, so you kind of like him
Speaker 6: for the flexibility.
Speaker 2: I feel like he could.
Speaker 6: Find the targets and stuff like that, But again it's
Speaker 6: that sustain with him hitting those landmarks and things like that.
Speaker 6: His I think that, you know, you watch him, he
Speaker 6: tends to slide off opponents in the running.
Speaker 2: Game for you know, for the way that he blocks.
Speaker 2: So that's kind of what I think about John.
Speaker 6: I like the fact that he could play all three
Speaker 6: spots that position flex hest. He's got some, but like
Speaker 6: I said, there's a little bit of that where the technique.
Speaker 2: Stuff is going to be a little bit of an
Speaker 2: issue for him.
Speaker 8: It's so crazy that you mentioned that he tested better
Speaker 8: than any guard at the combine, and I.
Speaker 4: Feel like.
Speaker 8: He's he showed like speed and athleticism and all this stuff,
Speaker 8: but like you said, like it isn't something that just translates.
Speaker 8: It translates, but it doesn't because you need more power.
Speaker 4: And I don't think that he plays I know that's
Speaker 4: your thing.
Speaker 8: I don't think he plays with as much power as City,
Speaker 8: so especially in the run game now, I think his
Speaker 8: past past game sets are far better. And I feel
Speaker 8: like in a zone scheme he might work, but his.
Speaker 4: Hands are low.
Speaker 2: Yeah, his hands aren't good.
Speaker 8: His hands are low a lot, and that's why he's
Speaker 8: late with his punch a lot of the time.
Speaker 4: And I didn't like that. I didn't like that at all.
Speaker 8: So yeah, those are like like we were talking about,
Speaker 8: those are two dudes. Though that I was like, maybe
Speaker 8: with some coaching and some you know some, I feel
Speaker 8: like there's more.
Speaker 4: There's more upside with City.
Speaker 2: I've got I've got both of them in the fifth.
Speaker 6: I have gains over the top of so okay, you think,
Speaker 6: so okay, and I got me in the fifth and
Speaker 6: but they both fall, they're both likely fall. Well, they'll
Speaker 6: be in the one fifty range for me when I'm
Speaker 6: starting to stack them.
Speaker 2: I don't have them yet. In my in my one
Speaker 2: fifty mixed process.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but the thing about because say I'm worried about
Speaker 6: having to add a full back or some sure bs
Speaker 6: like that.
Speaker 2: But uh, you know, let's go all that.
Speaker 6: You know, now you get to a certain point you're like, Okay,
Speaker 6: I'm not going to look at a player that's going
Speaker 6: to be.
Speaker 2: In the top one fifty. I just don't feel like that.
Speaker 6: I just don't feel like So I've got to a
Speaker 6: point where got him stack but fifth round games, sal
Speaker 6: that's on of how it got him right there.
Speaker 3: Okay, I've got another guy you're speaking of upside but
Speaker 3: also still kind of a bit of a risky pick
Speaker 3: just because of some of his past Zach Evans running
Speaker 3: back from Ole Miss. And I know Zach knows this
Speaker 3: guy because well, you and I used to cover him
Speaker 3: in the studio back when he was playing high school
Speaker 3: ball in Texas. But he went to Ole Miss, started
Speaker 3: at CCU, was there for a couple of seasons, transferred
Speaker 3: to ole Miss, thinking that was his best shot to
Speaker 3: get to the NFL. Tell me more about Zach Evans
Speaker 3: and what he brings to the football field.
Speaker 5: It's kind of mean, stiff, army hits the whole. I
Speaker 5: mean with with vengeance. There's not a lot of wasted
Speaker 5: motion with him. He doesn't dance around. He's got impressive
Speaker 5: acceleration in the open field. I think he fits best
Speaker 5: in an outside zone scheme. I think he'd work really
Speaker 5: well in San Francisco or in Miami. You know that
Speaker 5: that kind of system where we've seen like a Raheem
Speaker 5: Mostert or North Texas Owe Jeff Wilson have success. He's
Speaker 5: a good safety net out of the backfield. You don't
Speaker 5: see a lot of route combination from him like you
Speaker 5: would a Kenny McIntosh Georgia, but he's safe. You can
Speaker 5: check it down to him in the in the flats.
Speaker 5: You rarely see him get knocked backwards. He plays behind
Speaker 5: his pads. He lowers his shoulder to finish runs, much
Speaker 5: like like we've seen here with Ezekiel Elliott over his career.
Speaker 5: Sometimes would like to see him make the first guy
Speaker 5: miss more, but he's overall a very solid runner runner.
Speaker 5: He did have a fumble when I watched him against
Speaker 5: Troy where he breaks a tackle in the backfield and
Speaker 5: another defender knocks the ball out from the backside. So
Speaker 5: he might need to improve you know, the possession and
Speaker 5: ball security a little bit.
Speaker 2: But I mean Zach Evans is a heck of a player.
Speaker 5: You see the talent, but you do need to make
Speaker 5: sure he checks off all the background and personality traits
Speaker 5: that you want, because that's been something that's carried on.
Speaker 5: He's played three different teams in college and that was
Speaker 5: an issue for him. He got benched in the state
Speaker 5: championship game when he was in high school.
Speaker 6: This guy's player one oh one on my board, and
Speaker 6: I'll say this about him. He is not afraid to
Speaker 6: lower that shoulder and deliver a below. He was always
Speaker 6: plowing for extra yards. He's got some run where he
Speaker 6: was able to grab the edge, but I think he's
Speaker 6: kind of a little bit more of an inside runner
Speaker 6: and he locates the hole, makes the cut. He runs
Speaker 6: with some power. He could be a hard guy to
Speaker 6: bring down. I felt like he had a little bit
Speaker 6: more power than he did speed. You saw some long runs,
Speaker 6: but not game breaking type runs. I just don't think
Speaker 6: he has that type of speed. But the balance was
Speaker 6: really good. There's a snap or two where he was
Speaker 6: able to jump over a defender. He had some carries
Speaker 6: where he breaks tackles in the open field. I did
Speaker 6: not see.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I was maybe the games.
Speaker 6: I was looking at Auburn, Arkansas, Kentucky catching the football
Speaker 6: and stuff like that. You guys would have to help
Speaker 6: me on that one, but that I noticed. But when
Speaker 6: the ball did come his way, he was able to
Speaker 6: make the catches.
Speaker 2: So you know, he's impressive with the bulk and the power.
Speaker 2: He's a type of back that just kind of wears
Speaker 2: you down with the way that he runs. He absolutely does.
Speaker 2: He gets better as the game goes on.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I said he was decisive.
Speaker 8: Again, don't know if those are the right worst to use,
Speaker 8: but he's a decisive, decisive runner.
Speaker 4: He sees it. He's gonna go. He's gonna take some risks,
Speaker 4: he's gonna take some chances.
Speaker 8: He's gonna try to make he's he's and like you said,
Speaker 8: he's not gonna try to make a lot of guys miss.
Speaker 4: He's decisive. He's like, no, this is it for me.
Speaker 4: I'm going to I'm running the exactly absolutely. And one
Speaker 4: thing that I also to how did y'a feel about
Speaker 4: him in past?
Speaker 5: Bro when he wants to, I think you can do it.
Speaker 5: There's just times. I think he makes some business.
Speaker 2: That's a great way to put it.
Speaker 8: Yeah's starting to make now Like it's it's super cliche,
Speaker 8: but I'm starting to make a bigger deal out of
Speaker 8: pass pro in this league now with back because even
Speaker 8: more than actually I want to say two three years ago,
Speaker 8: Like it matters because of how much the balls being
Speaker 8: passed around.
Speaker 2: Like you're well for your ability to stay on the
Speaker 2: field too. Yeah, you're looking for a three down back.
Speaker 8: Yeah, with the offensive line play, you need a guy
Speaker 8: that's gonna And that's one of the things that I
Speaker 8: kind of was like a ship strip. And then, like
Speaker 8: you said, the off the field stuff is things that
Speaker 8: you want to check out on. But he was a
Speaker 8: thirty visit if he was a guy that reportedly rather
Speaker 8: a thirty visit, So maybe the Cowboys are looking at
Speaker 8: maybe taking a chance on the dude or just seeing
Speaker 8: what he got because he is that powerful dip your shoulder,
Speaker 8: I'm gonna make you pay runner, and I that's something
Speaker 8: that maybe you're lacking right now.
Speaker 3: And you do your background work and you kind of
Speaker 3: see what type of guy he is, bring him in,
Speaker 3: have him one on one, and kind of have do
Speaker 3: your due diligence, and that's what that scouting department across
Speaker 3: the way has been very good at over the last
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Speaker 3: already hit ten so far in this show. It's deep
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Speaker 3: Brian brought us, Zach Wilchuck Aisham Morrison, I'm Kyle Yeomans,
Speaker 3: and we've got Chris Beam in the back who has
Speaker 3: done an absolutely fantastic job with.
Speaker 2: His team of let's say b roll scouts. How about
Speaker 2: we put it that way, They're b roll Scouts, The
Speaker 2: Beam Roll, the Beam Roll Beam. I like that, the
Speaker 2: Beam Roll.
Speaker 3: He's put together hundreds and I mean hundreds of highlight
Speaker 3: tapes over the last couple of weeks. So over these
Speaker 3: last couple of minutes of the show, we're gonna have
Speaker 3: him choose to tell me more about these specific players.
Speaker 3: And I believe, Beamer, You're gonna start with one that
Speaker 3: has a connection inside the building.
Speaker 13: Right I am, because I'm gonna start with duce Vaughan
Speaker 13: And here's his burell, his bureau.
Speaker 2: Running back from Kansas State. Gosh, he's amazing. You like,
Speaker 2: you like, what what do you do with duce Von?
Speaker 13: Okay, so small, you're forty times you're in a four
Speaker 13: or five seven or something like that.
Speaker 2: Yep, but it seems like he makes plays all over
Speaker 2: the field. Oh he does. What do you do with
Speaker 2: duce Von? See here's the issue with Deuce.
Speaker 5: We were just talking about the pass blocking, right, Duz
Speaker 5: Fawn's not gonna give you that. But Duce Vaughn is
Speaker 5: just a playmaker. I mean he can you talk about
Speaker 5: a guy who can make plays. He would have been
Speaker 5: your prototypical I think third down back and several years
Speaker 5: ago where you were talking about a guy who can
Speaker 5: make plays out of the backfield.
Speaker 2: He can catch it. I mean, he's capable of running.
Speaker 5: Routes from the slot. You see him do that at
Speaker 5: Kansas at Kansas State. He's elusive. He carried a massive
Speaker 5: workload in college. So despite the size, to me, durability
Speaker 5: is not a question. But he's just you blink and
Speaker 5: oh my gosh, I mean his start stop quickness just
Speaker 5: jumps off the charts, low center of gravity obviously because
Speaker 5: he's smaller, so he's difficult to see. I think there's
Speaker 5: sometimes maybe he'll try and break a run outside, or
Speaker 5: he'll take angles where you're thinking, no, no, just cut
Speaker 5: that up there instead, and he leaves some yards on
Speaker 5: the field. But you watch Duzvaughan, he might be one
Speaker 5: of the most exciting players to study in the entire
Speaker 5: draft clots. It's the size that's gonna knock him. And
Speaker 5: then you mentioned Aesha the pass blocking ability. I don't
Speaker 5: think he's got that.
Speaker 8: The only thing that's to me that would knock him
Speaker 8: is the size. Yeah, like right, I mean when you
Speaker 8: look at the player and with the player is capable
Speaker 8: of the receiving, capability to speed the burst. He's a
Speaker 8: former soccer player, so he's a guy that has a
Speaker 8: lot of durability and awareness and a vision awareness intelligence,
Speaker 8: and he's an intelligent guy and even to a point
Speaker 8: to where he avoids similar to to Zeke, how Zeke
Speaker 8: didn't like, he avoids a lot of the low hits
Speaker 8: that people try to take on him because he's just
Speaker 8: aware of where he is on the field.
Speaker 4: And so I that to me, the only thing that's gonna.
Speaker 8: Limit limit him, or people will be nervous about is
Speaker 8: his size and the durability because of the size or whatever.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, I think you can basically make great
Speaker 6: points about him as a player. I think you have
Speaker 6: to have a plan for if you draft him. You
Speaker 6: have to have a plan of when you watch on tape,
Speaker 6: the offensive coordinators and the running back coaches and those guys,
Speaker 6: they're like, Listen, he could fit into this package.
Speaker 2: I mean, you could watch Kansas State tape and figure
Speaker 2: out ways to use him. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 6: And I love his toughness. I love how elusive he is.
Speaker 6: I think there's an advantage to him being short. Actually,
Speaker 6: when you do talk about him running behind bigger NFL
Speaker 6: offensive line, see and it's hard to see, and all
Speaker 6: of a sudden he squirts out the other side. It's
Speaker 6: already a six yard game. The guy catches the ball. Well,
Speaker 6: he's super tough, comes from a football family, you know.
Speaker 6: I mean, there's so many positive things. Listen, Let's not
Speaker 6: act like he's not the only short productive player in
Speaker 6: this draft. No, all we've done is watch short productive players.
Speaker 6: Flowers Dell, you know this guy right here. I mean
Speaker 6: that's that's what you have to do. You have to
Speaker 6: have a vision and an idea for what you want
Speaker 6: to do with this kid. And he plays big time
Speaker 6: football and has been productive doing it.
Speaker 5: And we talked about yesterday the returning ability. Yeah, dou Sponzie,
Speaker 5: I that can give you that if you want him
Speaker 5: to be a kick and a punt returner. I believe
Speaker 5: he could be very successful with that.
Speaker 8: And also you mentioned, I mean super important for running back.
Speaker 8: His ball security is top nine impressing, it's top notch.
Speaker 8: He's talked about how much he how much work he's
Speaker 8: put into it, and just to add that to the
Speaker 8: trifecta of the things he does.
Speaker 3: Well, Yeah, he's in the zero percentile in height and
Speaker 3: arm length, he's in the one percentile in weight, and
Speaker 3: he's in the thirty and thirty two percentile in bench
Speaker 3: press and broad jumps, and I draft the heck out
Speaker 3: of him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you look at the tape, and the tape
Speaker 2: is magnificent.
Speaker 6: Figured out. These coaches make millions of dollars. You know,
Speaker 6: don't tell me the kid can't play. I watched him
Speaker 6: play at Kansas State and he could play, and so
Speaker 6: you know, kind of figured out. But then again, you know,
Speaker 6: Bill Parcells is in my ear going you draft an exception.
Speaker 6: You have a team full of exceptions. I think this
Speaker 6: is a good exception to have.
Speaker 2: There you go.
Speaker 6: I would I would absolutely like to have this exception
Speaker 6: two more points.
Speaker 3: And this backs up the durability that you guys are
Speaker 3: talking about, and Zach brought it up initially two hundred
Speaker 3: and thirty five carries in twenty one. He followed that
Speaker 3: up with two hundred and ninety three carries in twenty
Speaker 3: twenty two. That's nearly three hundred carries in a collegiate
Speaker 3: football season.
Speaker 2: That's unbelievable.
Speaker 3: How much of a durable running back he is and
Speaker 3: how much they utilized him at Kansas State led the
Speaker 3: Big Twelve in all purpose yards in twenty one, and
Speaker 3: he led the FBS in all purpose yards in twenty
Speaker 3: twenty two.
Speaker 2: He can play go get you a guy. What's next
Speaker 2: on our list? Beamer?
Speaker 13: My second player is a Division Division two Player of
Speaker 13: the Year, which is Caleb Murphy.
Speaker 6: Oh, this is uh fairst State, right, Fairest State, first.
Speaker 2: State, Farris State.
Speaker 6: Yeah, okay, you're going about bulldogs, right, Yeah, You're about
Speaker 6: to see some pretty crazy.
Speaker 2: Uh, this guy was.
Speaker 6: He set a record for sacks in that division. And
Speaker 6: what's interesting about this cat. He was two hundred and
Speaker 6: fifty four pounds at the combine and on his pro
Speaker 6: day he weighed two hundred and sixty three pounds, is
Speaker 6: what he did. And you could see right there when
Speaker 6: you're watching, if you're able to the highlights of him,
Speaker 6: he has the ability to get around blockers and get
Speaker 6: around him quickly and kind of leaves them in their dust.
Speaker 6: In the way he plays. He's a really really good
Speaker 6: finisher around the ball. You know, you could see the
Speaker 6: ability to chase there's the dip and then now get
Speaker 6: to the quarterback balls on the ground. You know, if
Speaker 6: he has a little bit of a weakness, they kind
Speaker 6: of talk about his playing strength is what they do.
Speaker 2: So to me, I would be a little bit mindful
Speaker 2: about that.
Speaker 6: You know, let's see if he's going to able to
Speaker 6: get around some of these NFL.
Speaker 2: We'll be all watching preseason games.
Speaker 6: It'll be in the fourth quarter and all of a sudden,
Speaker 6: this kid will come flying because the tackles are not
Speaker 6: very good and maybe that's where he has an effect.
Speaker 6: But I kind of feel like the fact that he
Speaker 6: went from two fifty four to two sixty three. He
Speaker 6: feels like he needs to get a little bit bigger
Speaker 6: for the position, but the numbers are surely there for him.
Speaker 3: So what do they always say about these Division two
Speaker 3: Division three prospects?
Speaker 2: They better look like a man amongst boys. Well, they
Speaker 2: better walk on water, something I always did. That's another
Speaker 2: one too.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And then you know, but this guy, like I said,
Speaker 6: he's been to a couple of different schools, Grand Valley
Speaker 6: Date and now with Fair State, and you know he
Speaker 6: dealt with the COVID thing and the pandemic can when
Speaker 6: they played that in that division of football, they just
Speaker 6: totally canceled the season.
Speaker 2: So he lost that right there. But you know, you
Speaker 2: could see right here.
Speaker 6: I mean he he is a very very productive player,
Speaker 6: There's no question about that. You know, he's again it's
Speaker 6: going to be about figuring out, you know, developing some
Speaker 6: pass rush moves and and finding a way to use
Speaker 6: his link and that quickness that he has to be
Speaker 6: able to finish like he did at this level.
Speaker 3: He was able to finish those former accountants off pretty yeah,
Speaker 3: significantly against the Colorado School of.
Speaker 8: Mines out there to talk about him that bad because
Speaker 8: I think he played against Cody Milkol a couple of times.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 8: We'll talk about in the draft.
Speaker 5: Six fumble recoveries last year and then he had four
Speaker 5: recoveries as a junior.
Speaker 2: I mean he is always around the football. Keep an
Speaker 2: eye on Caleb Murphy. There's a name that you didn't
Speaker 2: think you would hear in the draft process. How about
Speaker 2: that one more Beamer? We got time or one more
Speaker 2: before you? I think you will actually kick us off
Speaker 2: the air. Oh we got all day this? Oh let's go,
Speaker 2: all right, we got a couple more.
Speaker 6: Wait a minute, you got you got guys that have
Speaker 6: to do a radio showing afternoon.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm gonta give you.
Speaker 13: The only reason I'm going to do this guy is
Speaker 13: because every time he catches a testdown, he always tells
Speaker 13: the dB that he's too small. So this is gonna
Speaker 13: be Grant Dubas from Charlotte Wide Receiver.
Speaker 3: Okay, Grant Dubo's from Charlotte All Conference USA. Couple different times,
Speaker 3: I like what he brings to the table. I'm trying
Speaker 3: to pull up my notes on him.
Speaker 2: Hold up, I'm looking again. I've got I've got computer
Speaker 2: slowness of myself. He's a boy.
Speaker 5: I got to see him actually in person against North
Speaker 5: Texas a couple of years ago.
Speaker 2: He makes some plays down the field. He kind of feasted.
Speaker 5: Now, Jalen Darden was an absolute star in the game
Speaker 5: as well. But I mean, he's a guy that just
Speaker 5: makes a ton of plays down the.
Speaker 2: Field, testdown, catch with watch, he just throws up little boy.
Speaker 6: It minds me a little bit of what Jalen Tolbert
Speaker 6: did with at South Alabama last year. He was always
Speaker 6: kind of talking about, you know, and.
Speaker 2: Here's another one. Watched this.
Speaker 13: He's gonna look at this guy and go, yeah, buddy, yeah,
Speaker 13: Well he's gonna celebrate too on you.
Speaker 6: Well, you know, like you say when you watch the
Speaker 6: highlights of him playing here, the guy has got he's
Speaker 6: got the size.
Speaker 2: He clearly has the size.
Speaker 6: And you know, and and that's something that you know
Speaker 6: in this draft we talk about that.
Speaker 2: How many bring it up again, how many small.
Speaker 6: Wide receivers the tall wide receivers we talk We don't
Speaker 6: talk nearly enough about uh mingos and guys like that.
Speaker 6: A guy at Tennessee uh that plays opposite Chillman. You know,
Speaker 6: we're not talking about guys that have that that size
Speaker 6: and that length and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: Great job right there at justin to a ball thrown
Speaker 2: over his head.
Speaker 5: He always catches it and you're too small.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yellow crazy.
Speaker 2: That's what jumped off the page. But that's but that.
Speaker 6: If you're looking for, like you say, this is where
Speaker 6: you start to find where are these where are the guys?
Speaker 6: If you're one of those teams, it's looking for a
Speaker 6: receiver with length and productivity and the ability to adjust.
Speaker 2: You know, this is the type of guy.
Speaker 6: That that you know, people will go and work on
Speaker 6: and say, okay, we'll get you know, why are we
Speaker 6: looking at all these short guys?
Speaker 2: Well here, okay, well let me give you a tall guy.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 6: Here's here's a guy that actually has some really some
Speaker 6: good production for you.
Speaker 3: Maybe that's a topic of conversation next week because we
Speaker 3: have talked about some of these smaller receivers and how
Speaker 3: much it is a change in philosophy. What about the
Speaker 3: guys we're not talking about that or maybe not as
Speaker 3: technically sound as some of these smaller white outs. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but they are the size of advances to have the
Speaker 3: size advantage to their to their game.
Speaker 4: That's just crazy, how many how much things have changed.
Speaker 8: It's true, I felt like at one point in time,
Speaker 8: if you didn't have a fifty to fifty ball guy
Speaker 8: on your in your receiving core, you were you were wrong, right, And.
Speaker 4: I mean maybe that's still the case. But it's just
Speaker 4: it's just crazy to think that this is not what
Speaker 4: you're looking.
Speaker 2: For, the true possession type of receiver.
Speaker 8: Possession receiver fifty to fifty, you know, adjust to the
Speaker 8: ball like that's you want that. But you may have
Speaker 8: one of those guys in your receiving corps were in
Speaker 8: that multiple.
Speaker 4: Now you need speed, got to have to get that speed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that team speed is huge. We've seen that as
Speaker 3: an emphasis lately. All Right, that is it for us
Speaker 3: today on the Draft show.
Speaker 2: You got to look at fullbacks tonight. I got to
Speaker 2: look at some fullbacks.
Speaker 3: Hunter lib Key out of North Dakota State, maybe uh
Speaker 3: Caleb Murphy a rusher from Farris State as well. But
Speaker 3: we've got a couple to keep an eye on. Got
Speaker 3: through fourteen prospects today. Everybody that's pretty good. Let's go
Speaker 3: and deep dies on all of them too. By the way,
Speaker 3: Chris in the middle of that fullback segment told us
Speaker 3: the last time the Cowboys drafted a fullback Sean Chappis
Speaker 3: twenty eleven, seventh round.
Speaker 2: Yeah, George Japhis, that was the last time. Some thin
Speaker 2: too long ago. I mean that's twelve years ago now,
Speaker 2: but still not too bad. Sean Chappis, Sean Chappish.
Speaker 6: There you go, probably teaching pee somewhere, Bryant.
Speaker 3: We have three more ship pew, three more shows until drafted.
Speaker 2: That's it. Three shows and we've got some surprises in
Speaker 2: every one of the shows. We're gonna have some fun.
Speaker 2: Oh these next three shows.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be a lot of fun the next couple weeks.
Speaker 3: But we are closing in two weeks away today from
Speaker 3: the NFL fail Draft for Chris Beam and his beamroll
Speaker 3: for Brian brought us at Weldschuck, I Usha Morrison, I'm
Speaker 3: Kyle Yoma saying so long. We'll see you next week
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