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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox

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Speaker 1: Sports Radio. It's bringing Gary Klein, who's kind enough to

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Speaker 1: How would you sum up last night's performance, Gary, Well,

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Speaker 1: I think for the Rams, I think Jimmy Garoppolo used

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Speaker 1: a term along the lines of it was kind of

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Speaker 1: a soul sucking drive that first eighteen play March that

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Speaker 1: the forty nine Ers just kind of ran it down

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Speaker 1: their throat. And as you mentioned, I think Kyle Kyle

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Speaker 1: Shanahan's just been masterful at not putting Garoppolo in situations

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Speaker 1: where he's going to make mistakes. And the last few

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Speaker 1: times they've played the Rams, he's played air free and

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Speaker 1: we've seen what happened. Were you surprised last night? You know, Dan,

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Speaker 1: I will say I chose the forty nine Ers to

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Speaker 1: win that game just because of all the turmoil that

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Speaker 1: was going on with the Rams, and some of that

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Speaker 1: was good in terms of, you know, the Von Miller trade,

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Speaker 1: Odell Beckham Jr. Is acquired, but then when they lost

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Speaker 1: Robert Woods just a few days before the games, kind

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Speaker 1: of an unheralded player that is really key to that

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Speaker 1: offense and again with you know, with the history with

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Speaker 1: the forty nine ers, they just seemed like the Rams

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Speaker 1: were ripe to be beat for the second time in

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Speaker 1: a row. Explain to the audience the value of Robert Woods. Well,

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Speaker 1: this is a player, damn that actually I've covered when

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Speaker 1: he was a freshman at USC, so I've seen him

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Speaker 1: grow up and even from those early days. He's a

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Speaker 1: guy that is not going to complain. A very talented receiver,

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Speaker 1: but really does everything, especially in the blocking game. He's

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Speaker 1: a guy that they match up against defensive linemen, linebackers,

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Speaker 1: and just kind of very unselfish and gives Cooper Cup

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Speaker 1: and other receivers an opportunity to run all kinds of routes.

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Speaker 1: A great receiver in his own right, but really just

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Speaker 1: from a team leaders standpoint, from all those things that

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Speaker 1: you don't see necessarily in the stat box, he's been

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Speaker 1: instrumental to their success since he signed as a free

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Speaker 1: agent in twenty seventeen. Can Odell Beckham Junior fill that role?

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Speaker 1: You know, I don't think that they're going to ask

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Speaker 1: Odell Beckham Junior to actually fill that role because he

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Speaker 1: is not a blocker. At least he hasn't been you know,

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Speaker 1: throughout his career not to the level of Robert Woods.

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Speaker 1: So Sean McVeigh is going to have to figure out

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Speaker 1: how to get him involved. And of course, early in

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Speaker 1: the season, you know, they signed to Sean Jackson to

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Speaker 1: give them that deep threat, and then they really couldn't

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Speaker 1: figure out a way to get him any touches. So

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Speaker 1: McVeigh didn't waste any time last night, Obj got the

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Speaker 1: first play of the game, they went to him, So

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Speaker 1: it's obvious they want to get him involved, but it's

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Speaker 1: going to take him more than one day to fit

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Speaker 1: into that offense. I don't know what to expect Adam

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Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford because you know, wait, first couple of months

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Speaker 1: pretty good, but you know, when it comes to big game,

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Speaker 1: we want to see what he does in a big game.

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Speaker 1: And it feels like this success or failure, this team

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Speaker 1: might be more predicated on Matthew Stafford than Aaron Donald,

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Speaker 1: von Miller, Jalen Ramsey or Odell Beckham Junior. What do

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Speaker 1: you make of Matthew Stafford so far? Well, when they

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Speaker 1: traded for Matthew Stafford, that was their first sign right

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Speaker 1: that the Rams are all in Okay, They've got to

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Speaker 1: get to the Super Bowl this year with Stan Cronky

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Speaker 1: and Sofi Stadium, they have to be playing in that game.

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Speaker 1: And I think the first part of the season Stafford

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Speaker 1: was an MVP candidate. He looked, he looked great. But

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Speaker 1: these last few games he has made some decisions and

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Speaker 1: some players that really for Rams fans. I mean, I'm

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Speaker 1: in the press box, but you can almost hear fans going,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, that's what Jared Goff did. He's had

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Speaker 1: some series like that, and you know, he's a veteran quarterback.

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Speaker 1: My sense is that with Gary Froze up there by

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Speaker 1: week he'll come back. But the ultimate test is gonna

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Speaker 1: be when they get to the playoffs. Better team the

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Speaker 1: Rams are Chargers, I would say the Rams at this point,

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Speaker 1: but justin Herbert is a terrific quarterback and getting back

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Speaker 1: to that pressure Dan, you know, I can't even imagine

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Speaker 1: Stan Cronky, that would be an absolute disaster for the Rams.

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Speaker 1: Handicap the Rams the second half of the season bye

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Speaker 1: week and then you got the Packers coming up. How

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Speaker 1: tough is this schedule going to be? Well, I think

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Speaker 1: You've got road trips to Green Bay, to Minnesota, to Baltimore,

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals as well. And then also the Seahawks come

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Speaker 1: it is not an easy schedule by any means. And

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Speaker 1: if the Rams can't get it together, they're going to

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Speaker 1: have some issues. Yeah, because you could end up as

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Speaker 1: the five seed. And I mentioned you could be going

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Speaker 1: And I don't know is this team equipped to be

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Speaker 1: playoff wins. Well under McVeigh, they've been pretty successful on

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Speaker 1: the road, But you know, the NFC is so stacked,

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Speaker 1: and if you look at the Rams, they've only beaten

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Speaker 1: even losing now to the Sanfordino, to the forty nine ers,

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Speaker 1: they had. But they've got a lot to prove. They

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Speaker 1: But seventeen games, the longest season in NFL history, they've

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Speaker 1: got They've got a long road ahead. What about the Cardinals,

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Speaker 1: So they still the team to beat? Well, they still

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Speaker 1: are dan But you know, going into the season, I

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Speaker 1: don't I don't think I'm alone and thinking I keep

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Speaker 1: waiting for the Cardinals to be the Cardinals right, to

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Speaker 1: the Rams lost a great opportunity last night to gain

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Speaker 1: some ground. Gary. Thank you, we appreciate your time, and

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Speaker 1: hopefully we get an opportunity to cross the palace again.

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Speaker 1: It's released today, featuring never before seeing photos from his

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Speaker 1: doing a whole lot since he stopped playing basketball. You

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Speaker 1: know what, Dwayne, we talk about? Lebron is a high

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Speaker 1: school football player. Nobody ever talks about you in your

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Speaker 1: high school football career? Why why is that at Richards

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Speaker 1: High School? What kind of player were you? It was short, live, Dad,

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Speaker 1: it was it was about two three year run. It

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Speaker 1: was very shortly. Okay, but are there any highlights? You

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Speaker 1: know what I believe I was. I thought I was

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Speaker 1: attack mode? When did you start attacking the basket? Well,

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Speaker 1: I've always I've always done that, you know when I

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Speaker 1: So I always had that. Who did you monel your

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Speaker 1: And to be able to grow up and in Chicago

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Speaker 1: You know, I've watched my mother and I talk about

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Speaker 1: and what allows me to be able to be done,

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Speaker 1: is that I do have a son who is in

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Speaker 1: the game, and I'm able to part you know, all

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Speaker 1: my information and my knowledge and my experience and all

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Speaker 1: my stories. He's willing to listen to him, and so

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Speaker 1: I'm willing to give him all, you know, all of

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Speaker 1: my basketball juices because my body hurt. My last couple

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Speaker 1: of years, my body was hurt, and physically it took

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Speaker 1: a toll on me. Mentally it took a toll on me,

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Speaker 1: and I don't want that. Like tomorrow, I'll leave you

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Speaker 1: with this. And I don't know if I ever told

437
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Speaker 1: you this. When I was handing the NBA title to you,

438
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Speaker 1: you were the MVP. Shacks behind me, and Shack goes Hey,

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Speaker 1: he always he always thought it was Craig Sagar. Hey,

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Speaker 1: Sig Siger, let me, let let me hand a trophy

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Speaker 1: to the little guy. And so Shack grabbed the MV

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Speaker 1: He wanted to hand you that MVP trophy. Had meant

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Speaker 1: you meant that much to him, and he wanted that

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Speaker 1: moment there, so I'm so I'm so glad he did.

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Speaker 1: I remember that moment. I remember like winning the championship

446
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Speaker 1: and being in the back of the line and everybody

447
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Speaker 1: was like, yo, dee, go to the front, go to

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Speaker 1: the front. I'm like why, They're like, yo, You're about

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Speaker 1: to get MVP. And I remember seeing Shack grabbed the

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Speaker 1: trophy and hand it all to me, And at that moment,

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Speaker 1: I just remembered everything he told me, Like Shaq told

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Speaker 1: me I was going to be one of the greatest

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Speaker 1: to play the game. Shack told me I was one

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Speaker 1: of the best in the game. And for it to

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Speaker 1: be one year after he came to be able to

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Speaker 1: be hosting up not only NBA Championship but the finals

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Speaker 1: MVP TROPHI at twenty four years old, like, thank you

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Speaker 1: pretty good. Did he ever run around practice naked all

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Speaker 1: the time? Yeah? I know there are a lot of

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Speaker 1: guys who were scarred for life because Shaq would come

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Speaker 1: out and run around the practice naked. Yeah he never

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Speaker 1: got me, but he got a lot of guys, Hey,

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Speaker 1: I love the book. Congratulations and always great to catch

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Speaker 1: up with you man, Thank you, I appreciate it. Hey,

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Speaker 1: it's Ben the host of the Fifth Hour with Ben Maller,

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Speaker 1: You're asking, what in God's name is the Fifth Hour?

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Speaker 1: Maller show, Colt hit overnights on FSR. Why should you listen?

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Speaker 1: the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast or wherever you get your podcast.

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Speaker 1: He's Dan Shaughnessy at the Boston Globe. And here's a

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Speaker 1: new book. It's called A Wish It Lasted Forever Life

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Speaker 1: with Larry Birds Celtics, now available online wherever books are sold.

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Speaker 1: Really disappointed in you, Dan with this book, because I

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Speaker 1: wish it could have lasted forever. It's a shorter book,

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Speaker 1: like I breezed through it. There were so many great

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Speaker 1: stories and I kind of went to the end. I go, damn,

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Speaker 1: you know I needed more out of you, Dan, you

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Speaker 1: let me down. Well, that's really nice to be Danna.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for going through it. And Bill Walton of course

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Speaker 1: named it. And Bill really wishes it lasted forever, because

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Speaker 1: we know his career could have been so much more.

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Speaker 1: But he had this one gift at the end of

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Speaker 1: his career, the nineteen eighty five eighty six season where

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Speaker 1: Bill Walton comes to Boston. He got eighty games in.

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Speaker 1: That was it. He played ten games the next year

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Speaker 1: and then he retired and you know, at his feet

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Speaker 1: fuse and all that stuff. But Bill said, he said,

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Speaker 1: you know, empty them through source when you write this,

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Speaker 1: Danny said, this is like I wish this could have

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Speaker 1: lasted forever. Everything was great. You cannot overstate how great

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Speaker 1: this was. Hey, this will hop back on the way

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Speaker 1: back machine. It's you know, you watch the NBA today

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Speaker 1: and I sometimes long for the eighties. I was there

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Speaker 1: when Larry and Magic came in and seventy nine kind

501
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Speaker 1: of rescued the league, and of course Michael comes in

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Speaker 1: and eighty four and leading up the Dream team. But

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Speaker 1: this was this, This jumped out of me Dan during

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Speaker 1: the pandemic. You know, when you know, we're seeing the

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Speaker 1: ESPN Classics and thirty for thirty on Celtics Lakers, and

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Speaker 1: and here in Boston with no games going on, they're

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Speaker 1: running the eighties Classic Celtics And it's all we had.

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Speaker 1: And I keep seeing my thirty year old self sitting

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Speaker 1: at the table back in the day when they allowed

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Speaker 1: the lowly media to sit in those seats at they

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Speaker 1: nail sell for five thousand dollars. So we were there

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Speaker 1: and we had access that is never going to be replicated.

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Speaker 1: We were able to tell the readers and the fans

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Speaker 1: what these guys were like. It was a very fascinating,

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Speaker 1: magnetic team and talented bird McHale Parish DJ five Hall

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Speaker 1: of Famers. They went to the finals four straight years.

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Speaker 1: They were fun and we lived with them, I mean, Dan,

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Speaker 1: you know, hotels, buses, airports, waiting for bags flying commercial

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Speaker 1: This was when the reporters went to the COVID bubble

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty. They had to sign a waiver saying

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Speaker 1: they would not approach anyone if they saw them away

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Speaker 1: from the facility. That's what we did. All of our

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Speaker 1: best work, I mean, the moat has gotten so wide

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Speaker 1: here in Boston. We don't know what's going on with

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Speaker 1: Smart and Tatum and Brown because nobody can get near them.

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Speaker 1: In those days, we could tell you they're mad at Fitch.

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Speaker 1: They don't like what the coach is doing right now.

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Speaker 1: They need to change their Casey Jones, bring them on

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Speaker 1: that kind of thing. It's nobody's fault. It's evolution the

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Speaker 1: way things were gone. But that was kind of what

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Speaker 1: motivated the book. And thank you for perusing through it

532
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Speaker 1: and getting some of those fun stories back in your head.

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Speaker 1: Was it a thirty for thirty or a last dance?

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Speaker 1: Could you see that possibility? I mean, it's a shorter

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Speaker 1: timeframe with these guys and not as successful. But I

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Speaker 1: was wondering if there's enough. It feels like but the

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Speaker 1: stories you tell, and there's a little more drama, you know,

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Speaker 1: woven in there. But do you think there's a last

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Speaker 1: dance field to the Celtics of the eighties, I always do.

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Speaker 1: I mean, again, the personalities were so strong. One thing.

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Speaker 1: As I went from that Celtic team, Yeah, they were

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Speaker 1: fifty and one at home Dan the last year fifty

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Speaker 1: and one at home and I went to major League

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Speaker 1: Baseball to the Red Sox clubhouse the same year as

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Speaker 1: a b reporter, and it just struck me how different

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Speaker 1: it was the climate in there. And I got bruce

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Speaker 1: Hurst in the book to talk about that, because, you know,

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Speaker 1: he almost won the seventh game of the World Series

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Speaker 1: with those eighty six socks, and they were a sour bunch.

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Speaker 1: And he said, in general, baseball was a sour bunch.

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Speaker 1: Because bruce Hurst knew the Celtics because he was friends

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Speaker 1: with Danny Aings. They had played Major League Baseball together

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Speaker 1: and as each other. He would come to practice. He

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Speaker 1: knew McHale, he knew Bird, he knew Parish and he said,

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Speaker 1: he said, in our clubhouse, you know, we harbor personal

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Speaker 1: feelings and his insecurities, and we compete against each other

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Speaker 1: to get to the big leagues. It's kind of ingrained

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Speaker 1: in the culture, he says. Those Celtics, they were so

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Speaker 1: secure in their own greatness. There was none of this

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Speaker 1: who's getting more touches. They had fun, They had fun

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Speaker 1: at practice competing against each other. They knew how great

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Speaker 1: they were, and this all comes out, you know, they

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Speaker 1: kind of trash talking. You're talking about with guys whistling

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Speaker 1: and I mean bird. That's Bird walking into the three

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Speaker 1: point contest, the first one ever and saying, which one

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Speaker 1: of you guys are going to finish second? I mean

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Speaker 1: that's Bird telling the New York Knicks trainer he's banking

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Speaker 1: three pointers during durnal warmouth before Knicks game. And the

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Speaker 1: trainer said, of Saunders, he said, you can't do that

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Speaker 1: in a game. Larry said, if you give me five bucks,

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Speaker 1: I will, And then he banked one in at the

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Speaker 1: end of a game and ran down by the bench

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Speaker 1: with his palm out looking for his five bucks. I

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Speaker 1: mean he was pool hustling during the games. The story

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Speaker 1: about Xavier McDaniel is that true? Where Ry after a

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Speaker 1: time out tells x what he's gonna do. Yeah, Jackie

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Speaker 1: mcmallin tells that one really well, which is you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna do this, We're gonna do this, we wanna

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Speaker 1: do this, And he would do all those things. I

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Speaker 1: was there was a game in Portland he was doing that.

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Speaker 1: It was near the end, and he said, you better

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Speaker 1: get somebody over here. They were getting ready to inbound.

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Speaker 1: They weren't listening, he pointed, and then he took the ball.

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Speaker 1: He drained a three and then he pointed again. Coming up,

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Speaker 1: he said, I told you what you should have done.

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Speaker 1: That was just you know, Quinn Buckler told me that

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Speaker 1: he could. There was a game called knockout, you know,

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Speaker 1: just two guys shooting around at a gym, and Quinn

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Speaker 1: said he could. He could knock your ball away from

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Speaker 1: the basket and make his shot with the same ball.

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Speaker 1: He was playing basketball and pool at the same time.

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Speaker 1: What if social media was around, I'll tell you it

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Speaker 1: changes a lot, and again not in a good way

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Speaker 1: in my view. I mean, there was a level of

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Speaker 1: comfort with those guys. I didn't make plans let's go

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Speaker 1: to dinner, let's go have drinks, but you would bump

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Speaker 1: into each other and it was okay. So in fact,

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Speaker 1: one night Larry picked up the tab but it was

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Speaker 1: like a total eclipse of the sun. Wouldn't believe it.

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Speaker 1: But most of the time it was just casual. And

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Speaker 1: I think that that casualness is lost with social media

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Speaker 1: and they don't need us anymore. I mean, we're totally

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Speaker 1: nobody wants to talk to us anymore. I understand that

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Speaker 1: they got you know, social media, they got TikTok, they

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00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 1: got whatever they got, and you know, connect. They got

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Speaker 1: the players journal connect with their own fans, and we're

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Speaker 1: just now we're old guys. But back then we were

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Speaker 1: all the same age and the money wasn't as great.

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Speaker 1: We lived together, the moat wasn't there, and there was

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Speaker 1: a little bit of trust. But still there were times

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Speaker 1: I had to violate that trust when Larry got into

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Speaker 1: his barroom fight, messed up his hand for the playoffs,

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Speaker 1: and he wasn't too happy about that. That's just the job.

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Speaker 1: But that's the tricky part that I've mentioned on the show.

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Speaker 1: I got too close to Mark McGuire, I got too

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Speaker 1: close to Jason Jones. Yeah, and you still have to

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Speaker 1: cover them, and I just I made it a point

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Speaker 1: that I was never going to allow myself to get

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Speaker 1: that close. Was there any part of you at that

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Speaker 1: time that you want to be close to them? Give

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Speaker 1: you access, but can you report on everything you're supposed

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Speaker 1: to report on? You can't do both. And again, you

623
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Speaker 1: don't need to be talking about how many beers somebody

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Speaker 1: had the night before the game, unless there are no

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00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 1: condition to play, in which case we would talk about it.

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00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 1: Michaale had a pack of guys who would drive down

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Speaker 1: from the Iron Range. There was no team in Minneapolis,

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Speaker 1: but there was a team in Milwaukee. This Winnebega would

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Speaker 1: park outside the Hyatt and when the Sellers were going

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Speaker 1: to play the Bucks, John Nelson wanted to hire a

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Speaker 1: suite for these guys because they would take McHale and

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00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 1: Byrne and Buckder and those guys out. There was a

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Speaker 1: game where the Bucks there was a noontime start. Think

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Speaker 1: about that in Milwaukee, and the night before, on a

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Speaker 1: Saturday night, the Minnesota crew from from down from the

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Speaker 1: Iron Range got all the Celtics wasted and they got beat.

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Speaker 1: They got beat badly, and Michal shot a donut. He

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00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 1: was over eight or something. And Casey Jones knew enough

639
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 1: not to Yeah, everybody knew what had happened. Casey put

640
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 1: his arm around Kevin and said, those guys aren't coming

641
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 1: to Chicago are We can't have this happen. When I

642
00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 1: talked to Michale about it, he said, just hearing those

643
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 1: name is my liver starts. Just having those names and

644
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 1: my friends who'd come down there, well, didn't the Bowls

645
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 1: cheerleaders by Bird and you know, Robie and those guys

646
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 1: beers One night before a playoff game and and the

647
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 1: Celtics Wan and Larry walked off the floor and said

648
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,959
Speaker 1: thanks for the beers with the I cannot attest to

649
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 1: that one. And Robie was Robie was traded for Dennis Johnson,

650
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 1: by the way, which has he got a Hall of

651
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 1: Fame guard for Rick Roby, who played about ten games

652
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 1: after that, But he was traded in part because he

653
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 1: was Larry's running made at night, and that was it

654
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 1: was a dual purpose trade to get Dennis Johnson and

655
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 1: to get Roby the hell away from Larry Bird. And

656
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 1: it worked on both levels magically for everybody. Weren't they

657
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 1: Were they the Bruis brothers or oh what is it?

658
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 1: Buckner and Robie and Bird and I thought they had

659
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 1: a nickname for their crew. There were a lot of nicknames.

660
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 1: I don't know that one, but they, uh, they they

661
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 1: socialized and it was, you know, they had all been

662
00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 1: great college players at the same time. Larry as I

663
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 1: was a role because Larry wanted to go to Kentucky

664
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 1: when he's in high school and Joe By hallt didn't

665
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 1: think he'd get a shot off in the SEC. Said

666
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 1: they get Rick Roby, who was even slower. They won

667
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 1: a championship with him and Larry anytime we'd be out,

668
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 1: you know, when somebody come over from University Kentucky and

669
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 1: shake Rick Robi's hand, Larry say, that's the first time

670
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 1: Rick Robe ever shook hands. Didn't have a twenty dollar bill.

671
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 1: On the other hand, we're talking to Dan Shaughnessy. The

672
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 1: book is wish it lasted forever life with the Larry

673
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 1: Bird Celtics. That'll be your reaction after you read it.

674
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 1: You'll wish that it lasted longer. Available online wherever books

675
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 1: are sold. I didn't understand. I wasn't aware of the

676
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 1: kind of the undercurrent there with Cornbread Maxwell and him

677
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 1: and Kevin McHale, that Kevin takes his role and you

678
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 1: know Cornbread Maxwell, you know, almost to the detriment of

679
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 1: the team. Uh, you know, just wasn't the same player,

680
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 1: didn't care as much as he did when he was

681
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 1: starting the caravan. Max, I mean he was he was

682
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: the man when the Celtics were bad before Burn and mchaeale,

683
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 1: Ursel those guys got there, you know, when Havlichek was

684
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 1: finishing up and they got bad in the late seventies.

685
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 1: Max was the guy. You know, he had been a

686
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:11,360
Speaker 1: Final four player in North Carolina, Charlotte. He comes to Boston,

687
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 1: he's the man. All of a sudden, these guys start

688
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 1: coming in and his touches went down and he his

689
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:18,320
Speaker 1: shots went down. Every year he was in the NBA,

690
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 1: I mean every year Bird comes in. Then McHale comes in, Maxwell,

691
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 1: Bill Fitch takes him aside, says, who do you think

692
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:25,919
Speaker 1: it's gonna be guarding the scoring four the other team?

693
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 1: Now that's going to be youth centric, you know, no

694
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 1: longer the offensive force. And he got his job done incredibly.

695
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 1: He was clutch. He's the MVP of the finals at

696
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 1: eighty one, before you know when Birds his second year

697
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 1: in the league and the MVP is Maxwell. And then

698
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 1: at eighty four, Maxwell scored twenty four points in Game

699
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 1: seven against the Lakers. It was his high game of

700
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 1: the season was Game seven of the finals. He never

701
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 1: got twenty four all year, but that game he said,

702
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: hopping my back, boys will bring it on home. He

703
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 1: outplayed James Worthy, He got inside their heads. He was

704
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 1: the guy. Unfortunately, he heard his knee after that, and

705
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 1: that's where the transition come in where he can't play anymore.

706
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 1: McHale goes from six man, it starts playing. McHale gets

707
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 1: fifty six and one game against the Pistons and Max goes,

708
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm going to be starting anymore. And

709
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 1: that was in and you know, it was questions about

710
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 1: how hard he rehabbed. It was a little bit of

711
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 1: hard feelings about that. But I mean, hey, Maxwell, his

712
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 1: numbers up in the raptors and he's one of He's

713
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 1: one of the great voices in this book because he

714
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 1: just tells you the truth about everything. It bird had

715
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 1: stayed healthy finished, then well, I think you get a

716
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 1: few more years. But he played hard, and guys who

717
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 1: played like that the careers, I mean, we see it

718
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 1: in baseball all the time, but it's just it's hard

719
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 1: to have a longer you're diving on the floor. McHale

720
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 1: didn't dive on the floor. But McHale played with a

721
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,800
Speaker 1: broken foot in the eighty seven finals, so those injuries

722
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 1: really by today's standards. They were together a long long time.

723
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Speaker 1: They went to four consecutive finals together, they were in

724
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: five finals, they won three championships, and Read always thought

725
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:54,879
Speaker 1: he might have kept them together a little bit too

726
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 1: long and ran through it longer than he should have

727
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 1: instead of making deals. So they by today's standards, it's

728
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 1: still a long run. You know, Larry's from seventy nine

729
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 1: to ninety two. That's still a pretty good run. But

730
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 1: again it's not Lebron James doing what he does now. Yeah,

731
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 1: but you know, and then you had Lenny Bias dying

732
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 1: Reggie Lewis, like they read had it, so the transition

733
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 1: was going to be pretty smooth where the whole you know,

734
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 1: the youth movement coming in was going to be able

735
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 1: to handle any athletes they were going to face with

736
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: the Lakers or Pistons or Bulls. Yeah. Red knew his

737
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 1: team was getting old when they won the championship in

738
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 1: eighty six and they went fifty and one at home.

739
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 1: No one's going to do that again. So he also

740
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 1: ends up getting the best player in the country because

741
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 1: he had traded Gerald Henderson a starting guard two years earlier,

742
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 1: thinking Seattle was going to go bad. The lottery came in,

743
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 1: they got number two, they got Lenn Bias. Was all

744
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 1: teed up. Lenn Bias read used to have counselors at

745
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 1: his summer camp. Bias had been a counselor for a

746
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 1: couple of years, so They knew exactly what they were

747
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 1: getting because Bias had basically been working out for him

748
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:56,919
Speaker 1: for two summers, and you know, Rick Carlisle had played

749
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 1: with him in the ACCA. Everybody knew what they were

750
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,879
Speaker 1: getting with that. And then you know, he drops dead

751
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:05,800
Speaker 1: a day after the draft, cocaine intoxication, and the Celtics

752
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 1: never recovered from that. It was. They didn't win again

753
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,320
Speaker 1: til two thousand and eight when Danny Angels the GM.

754
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 1: So it broke, It broke down, Michael had to play

755
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 1: with a broken foot. Too many minutes for Parish Bird

756
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 1: Walton's all done that. It just it started to crumble

757
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 1: the late eighties. When I was working at CNN in

758
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 1: New York in the mid eighties, and I would get

759
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 1: to come up for the NBA Finals and I'd get

760
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 1: there and if it was that Sunday and the game

761
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 1: was played later on, and I'd go in there when

762
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 1: Larry was shooting, I'd just sneak into the building and

763
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 1: I would just it was cathartic. I loved hearing the

764
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 1: dribble and I loved hearing the net. And he never

765
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 1: knew I was in there, but I went in there

766
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 1: a couple of times and I was worried that he

767
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 1: was going to see me and then you know he

768
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:53,760
Speaker 1: would stop or whatever it might be. But no one's

769
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 1: in there, just somebody rebounding for him, and he just dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble.

770
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:03,280
Speaker 1: It was just it was wonderful, It really was. Yeah,

771
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:05,839
Speaker 1: that was a routine at the garden and rout four

772
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:07,839
Speaker 1: fourth third in the afternoon. I was an early guy.

773
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: I'd set up early. The garden would be dark, be

774
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 1: a little bit of light by that court. The equipment

775
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,359
Speaker 1: guy was Joe Katado. Larry come out. He brought him

776
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 1: to Indiana when he went there and loved this guy.

777
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 1: The equipment guy and Larry do the perimeter. And I'd

778
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,760
Speaker 1: be set up in my stone age computer porter bubble

779
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 1: on the sideline right next to the bench. When they

780
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:26,959
Speaker 1: used says, let us sit in those seats. The lowly

781
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 1: riders had those seats next to the bench. And Larry,

782
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:31,359
Speaker 1: you know, he'd liked to break chops. He'd come over

783
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 1: and if he missed a shot during that thing, he'd

784
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 1: say that the bull gang set up the rims. Something

785
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 1: wrong with the rim you know, otherwise that never that

786
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,359
Speaker 1: would have gone in and He'd come over and he'd say,

787
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 1: what are you working on, scoop? And I'd say, well,

788
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 1: I'm doing an early edition newspaper story about your free

789
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 1: throw streak. He was coming up on Calvin Murphy's eighty

790
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 1: eight consecutive free throws. I'm like, so, don't miss one

791
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 1: of the first half, because this paper's gonna go up

792
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:55,320
Speaker 1: to Maine. It's gonna look stupid if they open it

793
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:57,439
Speaker 1: up tomorrow morning and you miss when I'm writing about

794
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 1: the streak. This is how it works. Sure enough, first half,

795
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 1: he goes to the line for two and the fall

796
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 1: line is lined up right where we're sitting. If he

797
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 1: looks over, he makes the first one. He looks over

798
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 1: and winks at me between free throws, and then of

799
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 1: course makes a second one. So all was good. But

800
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 1: he was always thinking about these things. It's like paying

801
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 1: off a bet in the middle of the game. He

802
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 1: was doing two things at once. I sat down with

803
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 1: him when his career was over, and I went up

804
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 1: to Boston, and Brad Lohaus said, hey, if you want

805
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 1: to get on Larry's good side, bring him up a

806
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 1: cooler and a six pack of beer. And so I

807
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 1: stopped and got a cooler that was like three dollars

808
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: and I got a six pack and I said here

809
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 1: and he goes, what is it a fish? And I go, no,

810
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:44,840
Speaker 1: it's it's beer. I said, Brad Lohaus told me to

811
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 1: get this for you. He goes, can I can I

812
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: keep the cooler? And I said, yes, you can. It

813
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 1: was a three dollar cool styrofoam cooler and I go.

814
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 1: I don't think it helped me with the interview, but

815
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 1: it was just, you know, that was the mentality of

816
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 1: bird there. It's like, all right, be cooler, Can I

817
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 1: have it? This is all right, I'm good with this.

818
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 1: That was a mentality. He used to go to Mattenees

819
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 1: after practice that the Greek Orthodox College they're practice in Brookline.

820
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 1: Would say, Arry, how come you go to Mattinees. He says,

821
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 1: it's cheaper, cheaper in the afternoon, So yeah, you meant it.

822
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,359
Speaker 1: By the way, how strong is the mac Jones love

823
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 1: in New England? Oh my god, you are all over.

824
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 1: I mean I loved it from the start. They couldn't

825
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 1: have known, you know, he would outperform all the other

826
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 1: quarterbacks to this stage. He was nineteen for twenty three.

827
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:29,839
Speaker 1: The other day that won four in a row. They

828
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 1: got the Titans game, they got the Atlanta this Thursday,

829
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:34,839
Speaker 1: and then the Titans are coming in here that that game.

830
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's going to get flex to

831
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 1: the prime time or not, but that's a bit. It's

832
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 1: a big deal. Now. This feels really good, Dane, because

833
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 1: it's it's different and it wasn't expected. It's it's a

834
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:47,319
Speaker 1: head of schedule and rookie quarterback. We all know Bill

835
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 1: hates him and he's made a beast off him over

836
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 1: the last twenty years, so he's got one of his

837
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 1: own now and they're managing it. It's really fascinating to

838
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 1: watch it. It's evolved. Congrats on the book. And I

839
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 1: met when I said, I wish the book was longer.

840
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 1: It was that good telling stories and uh, you know,

841
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 1: taking a trip down memory lane. Thank you Dan, Thank

842
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 1: you Dan. Take care of