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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast am on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: Do we have anybody like j Ellen Heinik in the

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Speaker 1: system anymore? I mean, here's a guy who was a

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Speaker 1: consultant to Project Blue Book, was a non believer and

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Speaker 1: then he changed his mind. Then he became one of

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Speaker 1: the biggest ufologists in the world. You know, George, you

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Speaker 1: said something very important. He changed his mind, and I

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Speaker 1: think I admire all those researchers that do change their mind. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, we don't have anybody like him, because he

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Speaker 1: started out and you know, he was pretty when I

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Speaker 1: started working with him. It was putting pens in maps,

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Speaker 1: it was nuts and bolts, it was sightings. It was

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Speaker 1: what mufon does today. Was not He did not extend

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Speaker 1: himself until his later years to the contact scenario. So

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Speaker 1: he was a professor. He was a guy from academia.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he was an astronomer. He knew the difference

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Speaker 1: between venus in the UFO, and the thing is that,

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Speaker 1: you know, it was wonderful working with him because somebody

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Speaker 1: like me that was you know, a neophied somebody that

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Speaker 1: didn't know anything, was taught. You know. He was my teacher.

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Speaker 1: He was my mentor. I knew this was no joke.

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Speaker 1: I knew it was real because I worked with him

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Speaker 1: for six years. And one thing he taught me, which

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Speaker 1: was really great, was to listen to people. In other words,

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Speaker 1: don't go in with a preconceived notion, because I remember

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Speaker 1: thinking to myself, Oh, these people are crazy, some of

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Speaker 1: these people with their stories, you know. And he used

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Speaker 1: to say to me, no, no, you listen to the

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Speaker 1: whole entire story because then you can decide, you know

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Speaker 1: what's going on. So, yeah, there's nobody like him, and

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Speaker 1: I'm so happy to see this show. Remember his swamp

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Speaker 1: gas theory that just haunted him, didn't it? Yeah? I did.

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Speaker 1: The problem was that there were people working in this

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Speaker 1: field way for Alan that we're serious and new it

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Speaker 1: was real. And he used to tell me, I'll never

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Speaker 1: live down the swamp Gas. I'll never live it down.

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Speaker 1: Because they criticized him for it, but you know, it

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Speaker 1: was wonderful that he would go from Bluebook in sixty

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Speaker 1: nine to a center for UFL Studies, and even I

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Speaker 1: think I even put it in my presentations. I was

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Speaker 1: part of that. I even though I never went and

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Speaker 1: investigated on the field. I was part of KUFOS in

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Speaker 1: the early days in nineteen eighty. Well that's the place

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Speaker 1: to be. What are you working on that? What kind

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Speaker 1: of cases are you at? Oh God, I'm all over

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Speaker 1: the map. I am working. I'm still working on the

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Speaker 1: nineteen forty five case down in Scorn, New Mexico, that

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Speaker 1: crash that happened in forty five, and you had Remy

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Speaker 1: Bachandon and they were the two young boys that had

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Speaker 1: seen the crash near the the atomic bomb site, near

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Speaker 1: the Trinity site. I'm still working on that. I'm working

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Speaker 1: on going to Latin America and I'm going to Peru

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Speaker 1: in May because i want to go to the Chilca

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Speaker 1: Desert where the Latin American contacts like sea still paused,

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Speaker 1: and the Cardo Gonzales and Kevian Love and all those

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Speaker 1: guys said that spacemen came off the ships. In fact,

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Speaker 1: there's a case where a Spanish journalist JJ Benitez actually witnessed,

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Speaker 1: you know, a craft in the Chilca desert and he

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Speaker 1: reported it to the world. But this is all in Europe.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't come to the United States. These cases don't

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Speaker 1: get covered. And in my book, all of the above

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Speaker 1: and beyond, I interview ten contactees who say they are

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Speaker 1: interacting with human type people coming off ships. So I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm saying to myself, well, how does that happened? And

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Speaker 1: then I have to go back to the Giant Rock

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Speaker 1: days in southern California in the nineteen fifties with the

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Speaker 1: Damski Van Tasso, Howard Menger or Payo Angeluci, and then

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Speaker 1: I have to study that that happened. Then it happened

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Speaker 1: in the fifties and sixties in the United States and

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Speaker 1: in the seventies and eighties in Latin America, And of

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Speaker 1: course that's going to interest me. I'm you know, I'm too.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be very biased about this. Our field is

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Speaker 1: too much with the abduction little gray alien scenario to

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Speaker 1: understand that there's all kinds of visitations and in the

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Speaker 1: early days they were people. They sure were. But you're right,

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Speaker 1: we're not getting the kind of coverage we used to

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Speaker 1: get a long time ago. Why is that? Oh? Because

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Speaker 1: it first of all, it's really hard to do this, George.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, people can't just get like I do,

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Speaker 1: and talk to everybody. What's happening with a lot of

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Speaker 1: the research. Now it's all on internet, so people just

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Speaker 1: troll Internet and think that's the research. They don't go

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Speaker 1: to the actual place. I've covered so many stories, but

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Speaker 1: I've had to cover them face to face. And in

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Speaker 1: one of the cases I covered just recently, you know

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Speaker 1: this because you work with him as Emory Smith. And

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Speaker 1: I interviewed Emory Smith. But then I did two articles

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Speaker 1: and I did these two cases. I did this case

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Speaker 1: and I it reminds me of the Dan Verish case

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Speaker 1: that I had done. I don't know if you remember that.

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Speaker 1: Do you remember that sock it cross reference? Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: you've you've interviewed Emory and these people that work in

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Speaker 1: these projects. It sounds unbelievable. They are working with and

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Speaker 1: Dan Versi's case microbiology, with the Jay rod In's case,

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Speaker 1: with these beings, and you know, with all different types

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Speaker 1: of beings, and it's deeply hidden, and these insiders are

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Speaker 1: are part of the UFO history. And if I hadn't

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Speaker 1: seen Dan Verge three times, I would never have done

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Speaker 1: the story. But I have to see these people face

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Speaker 1: to face, and I don't think there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: people who do that anymore. No, they don't, they don't.

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Speaker 1: Everything is over the phone these days, over the phone,

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Speaker 1: and then the trouble is a cost money and I

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Speaker 1: don't know where the sponsorship for some of this stuff

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Speaker 1: comes in. Well, see, you're one of the few. You're

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Speaker 1: one of I was going to say, you're one of

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Speaker 1: the few people who literally spends everything from her own pocket.

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Speaker 1: Peter Davenport from the National Uful Reporting Center is another

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Speaker 1: one like that. But but you folks are very rare. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but I want to know. But I want to know,

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Speaker 1: and I can't do it on the phone if I

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Speaker 1: don't see the reaction. In the case of Burish, I

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Speaker 1: had to keep going back because I don't do the

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Speaker 1: There have to be something about their body language, the

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Speaker 1: way they're looking at me. Clifford Stone when I went

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Speaker 1: to do his story, I mean he broke down and cried,

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Speaker 1: I you know, so did Burish. Actually, people, I have

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Speaker 1: to really be in the presence of these people listen

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Speaker 1: to them. In my case, because I've been around so long,

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Speaker 1: I mean, getting to be an old woman. I've been

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Speaker 1: around so long that that I can cross reference, which

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Speaker 1: means I've interviewed so many pilots, so many I have

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Speaker 1: to Europe and now Latin America, that if it sounds

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Speaker 1: like it makes sense, that it's the truth. Tonight on

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Speaker 1: nineteen forty seven from another world. He and his brother

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Speaker 1: Well people trust you, Paula, and that's another important aspect

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Speaker 1: of what you do. They trust you well. I have

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Speaker 1: no ulterior motives. I just want to know. In fact,

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Speaker 1: I just tell them, Look, I'm going to do this

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Speaker 1: audiotapes I have. I'm going to do it word for word.

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Speaker 1: It's going to be in my book's word for word.

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Speaker 1: And there's no other motives because certainly didn't make any money,

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Speaker 1: and I don't do it for that reason. I do

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Speaker 1: you keep asking me. I do it because I want

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Speaker 1: to know. And just to add something, this past weekend,

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Speaker 1: him that I encourage everybody to go to my YouTube

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Speaker 1: in detail sequence quentially about his thirty eight years ago

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Speaker 1: going up to a craft in Rundel shim Forrest and

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Speaker 1: taking notes at actually touching the craft and as I'm

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Speaker 1: These are the people that actually were there, that lived it,

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Speaker 1: going there, what's going on? What's happening? Well, I've been

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Speaker 1: And there are tombs there that are a fifteen foot long,

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Speaker 1: because that is not the only place on the planet

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Speaker 1: we can start connecting some dots here in mythology they

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Speaker 1: talk about these giants or these people. That's an amazing

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Speaker 1: it's part of it. We can't just do UFOs and whistleblowers.

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Speaker 1: We have to make sense of the history of this planet.

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Speaker 1: And you do a lot of that too. It's your

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Speaker 1: who who had these esoteric kinds of of thinking. We

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Speaker 1: what it basically is. Paula. Steve Bassett always believes that

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Speaker 1: disclosure is eminent coming from government. I don't know that

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Speaker 1: if it's going to happen that way, how about you. Well,

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Speaker 1: if I'm sitting with Jim Pettiston and he's telling me

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Speaker 1: you're gonna get. All these whistleblowers, the people that edgar Mitchell,

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Speaker 1: these projects, the people I edgar Mitchell and all of them. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, you honestly think that any government is going

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Speaker 1: to have a stake in admitting they've been lying. Heck no, no,

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Speaker 1: it isn't even logical. And the problem is not so

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Speaker 1: much the governments that change, you know, because Colonel Corso

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Speaker 1: used to say, stop lating the government. They change every

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Speaker 1: four years. It's not about the government. You've done the

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Speaker 1: interviews with Emory. You know that there is a vested

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Speaker 1: interest in the military industrial complex, in other words, that

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Speaker 1: the back engineered technology, and that's in my book conversations

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Speaker 1: with of course, So that the back engineered technology is

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Speaker 1: producing you know, huge amounts of money, and you can't

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Speaker 1: stuff and they want more of it, I'm sure, and

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Speaker 1: you can't. You can't go up against that. That's economics,

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